Audiotape Primary Project : Summaries
Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee, III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.
Tape Number : Q 613
FBI Catalogue: Tapes Not Summarized
FBI preliminary tape identification note: One Audio Magnetics 60/ "Ramparts"
Date cues on tape: None (Likely 1974-75)
Public figures/National and international names:
Rev. Sun Myung Moon
Mary Baker Eddy, founder of Christian Science
Sergeant Roach, police officer (speaks)
California Highway patrolman TurnerInvestigator Voss, police officerCaptain Martricano (phonetic), police officialCaptain Ginden, police official
Sonya, receptionist at
Unification Church (speaks)
Rev. Branch (speaks)
Rev. John Townsend,
First Baptist Church, Los Angeles
Artie Merin, church relations,
Church of ScientologyLori Zern, social coordination bureau, Church of Scientology
Rev. Sledge (speaks)
Eugene Chaikin (speaks)Dan Kutulas
“Mrs. Gambill” (probably fictitious name) (speaks)“Jane” (daughter of Mrs. Gambill)
Bible verses cited: Several,
but by ministers not associated with
This tape consists of a series
of phone calls made by
In the first call, Eugene Chaikin
calls a police station to report the presence of people attempting to sell
stolen goods to members of the
In the dozen calls that follow,
a woman who identifies herself as “Mrs. Gambill” speaks with ministers of
local churches about abuses going on inside the
She fields a variety of responses.
Several churches suggest that the daughter should have known better than to
join a new religious movement like the
Several suggest specific action, such as taking the issue to the local Council of Churches. “[T]hey could pass out the word in their publicity,” another minister says, “because I think other churches ought to know about this… because people like that ought to be arrested and exposed to public view.” Another clergyman suggests writing a letter to the local newspaper.
Mrs. Gambill wholeheartedly endorces the ministers’ attacks, even when she misunderstands their criticism. One pastor says they can’t account “for all the many different religions that we see, sects or what goes on in these different organizations and movements.” Mrs. Gambill replies, “Well, yeah, speaking of sex, I understand he’s been arrested for molesting children.” “No,” the man corrects her, “what I mean is sect, I mean like sectarian.”
A couple of ministers urge caution. One says he would need more proof – such as the success of her lawsuit – before he proceeded. For the moment, he says, it’s just hearsay. He wouldn’t want his church to be brought down based solely upon mere allegations such as those she is making, but “after you’ve found out that … some injustice had been done, we’ll be behind you 100%.” She thanks him and ends the call.
Another minister defends the
Mrs. Gambill’s story doesn’t change,
but it becomes more refined with the repeated telling (even if the repetition
also diminishes her passion for it). Some of the refinements follow a telephone
conversation early in the series in which another
Nevertheless, when Mrs. Gambill goes outside the script, she becomes confused. One minister asks for her daughter’s name, and she hesitates before she says, “Jane.” Another minister asks her for her own church affiliation, and she struggles before she says, “Methodist.” Her greatest difficult comes when ministers ask to call her back, and she has to tell them she is new to town, or in the process of moving, or doesn’t have a phone for some other reason.
Date of transcription: 3/5/79
In connection with the Federal
Bureau of Investigation’s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman
LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma,
On March 2, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B47 No. 57. This tape was found to contain the following:
This tape was reviewed, and nothing was contained thereon which was considered to be of evidentiary nature or beneficial to the investigation of Congressman RYAN.
Differences with FBI Summary:
There is nothing to compare between the two summaries, since the FBI did not write anything for this, or 64 other tapes which bear the notation “Tapes Not Summarized.” These tapes seems to have little on them which the FBI could use for its purposes of investigating crimes arising from the Jonestown tragedy, but then again, that describes many other tapes as well. The difference seems to be that one or two FBI agents catalogued this set of tapes – as evidenced by the typewriter used in writing the reports – and that generally, the transcriptions were made early in the process, before someone may have asked for greater detail in the reports.