{"id":108367,"date":"2021-02-08T13:58:50","date_gmt":"2021-02-08T21:58:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=108367"},"modified":"2021-02-08T19:35:23","modified_gmt":"2021-02-09T03:35:23","slug":"q1026-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=108367","title":{"rendered":"Q1026 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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(This tape was transcribed by Kristian Klippenstein. The<\/em> editors gratefully acknowledge his invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (begins in mid-sentence) to be real in the hearts of men, you\u2019ve got to give him a body. You\u2019ve got to let him walk and talk<\/em> in you. You\u2019ve got to become a living epistle \u2013 you\u2019ve got to become a living Bible. Otherwise, we\u2019re finished. We\u2019re going to go into the apocalypse, into the terrible, terrible worst days of the Tribulation. And no flesh shall be saved if it were not for the elect\u2019s sake. Take your neighbour\u2019s hand, please. (Pause) I wish<\/em> I could stir up this within you. (Pause) They\u2019ve taught you to look outside of yourself.<\/p>\n

Organ music begins, grows slowly louder throughout remainder of recording<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: He said, \u201cThy kingdom come, thy will be done in earth.\u201d In earth<\/em>. Just south of us, ninety-one white people died a few days ago in a mine. Because people got their heads in the sky. (Speaks more quickly, voice rising) (Taps pulpit) The church is supposed to be\u2013 He said, \u201cThese are they that turn the world<\/em> upside down.\u201d These are the ones that make change<\/em>. He said, of Jesus, when they crucified him, he said he revolutionizes the people\u2013 he stirreth up the people. They wanted no part of him. (Pause) Just down in Idaho, Sunshine Mines, ninety-one white brothers went to their death, while we\u2019re tryin\u2019 to get to heaven instead of making<\/em> a heaven. Ninety-one brothers went to their death. Why? Why, every newspaper told you why: poor safety measures. Inadequate safety and precaution measures. There\u2019d been no federal investigators there \u2013 in some cases \u2013 for thirty years. They violated every law in the book. There\u2019s supposed to be a mask\u2013 a gas mask for every person in that mine.<\/p>\n

Female Voice in Audience<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Calls out) Were there? (Conversational) No. There was only half<\/em> enough gas masks to go around, for those poor white brothers down in that mine. And what about the half that were down there? Only one out of three of them worked. They put their mask on their face, and they suffocated. They suffocated right there in the mine, while you\u2019re trying to (in full throat) fly away! (Voice moderates) Somebody was in prison, somebody was in hell, and you didn\u2019t come unto them. Jesus was down there in that mine, he was down there\u2013 the laws weren\u2019t being kept. Millionaires in this state, and all through America, the millionaires don\u2019t pay a dime of income tax. But if you fail to pay ten cents, they\u2019ll come after you tomorrow.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: (Assent)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Because you\u2019re the poor.<\/p>\n

Female in Audience<\/strong>: Yeah, that\u2019s true. That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Elevators\u2013 they got on the elevators and the elevator wouldn\u2019t work. It had become a tomb<\/em> for them. They were gassed and fell off, dead. They picked up the telephone, and the telephone wouldn\u2019t work, because it had been broken for weeks. If you had done that, they\u2019d call you guilty of murder.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: (Assent)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: The foreman called\u2013 when he first smelled some fumes, he called New York, to the big palatial office there, to the rich that own the mines, the Sunshine Mines. And he said, \u201cIt looks like we\u2019d better evacuate.\u201d He said, \u201cwe can\u2019t\u201d\u2013 the owner said, in his lovely plush office. (Speaks with quiet intensity) He said \u201cwe can\u2019t afford\u2013 we can\u2019t afford to lose the man-hours. Keep them there. Keep them there.\u201d And they kept them there, and ninety-one people died. That rich\u2013 it\u2019s easy for him to say. That rich man sitting in New York, who never even did a day\u2019s work in that mine, probably stole it originally from the Indians.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: (Assent)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Voice climbs throughout) Never put a toil in it. He can tell all those ninety-one \u201cstay there, we can\u2019t lose a man-hour.\u201d You know what they\u2019ve got you doing? They\u2019ve got you puttin\u2019 heaven up there, and the scripture tells you plainly, the heaven is within you, and that heaven must come on earth, and so they\u2019ve got you lookin\u2019 to get to heaven to get away from your problems, and the only way you\u2019ll get to heaven is to build<\/em> a heaven and to make this earth a heaven and that\u2019s the only way you\u2019re gonna find<\/em> a heaven.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: (Assent) Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Voice moderates) And they\u2019ve lied<\/em> to you, tellin\u2019 you, pay preachers. Give them anniversaries and birthday gifts. It\u2019s a sin. I couldn\u2019t do it, I couldn\u2019t take a gift. Too many people never had a gift in their life, I wouldn\u2019t\u2013 Somebody asked me a while ago, \u201ccan I give you something, a gift, this Father\u2019s Day?\u201d I want to say to you, I love<\/em> your thought, but until every father (claps hands once) can have a gift, I wouldn\u2019t feel free to have one. (Pause) You understand my heart? You understand what\u2019s there? There\u2019s too many fathers, too many mothers that never get honored. They never get noticed, and I\u2013 I could never have my birthday honored, as long as every brother and sister in the church is not honored, until every day com\u2013 the day comes that all are free, then I\u2019m not gonna be able to enjoy these things.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: (Assent) Hallelujah.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Voice rising) Last day, two days ago, four hundred and thirty-one blacks in a mine \u2013 the same business \u2013 died in Rhodesia. Four hundred and thirty-one, because the rich were so busy squeezing dollars, and they\u2013 You know who pays the church to preach about heaven in the sky? Why, the biggest corporate interests in this country. The biggest international bankers. They pay these preachers, they give foundations, they\u2019ll give money to churches that\u2019ll preach about heaven in the sky, because they don\u2019t want you to do anything about making a heaven here on earth.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: So they\u2019ll point you to heaven up there. We\u2019ve been lied to.<\/p>\n

Voice in Audience<\/strong>: Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I\u2019m<\/em> not the one lying to you. (Voice rising) I\u2019ve losing me\u2013 people they walk outta here like in droves. This is like Grant Central Terminal. They keep goin\u2019 out, they won\u2019t even sit to listen to me through. I can give it to \u2018em black and white, I can put it to you right before your eyes, and you still won\u2019t listen to it.<\/p>\n

Male in Audience<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Voice moderates) They leave. (Pause) I can understand how whites seem to be a little more difficult for them. But look like black folk. They brought you over here on the first ship, they put you in chains.<\/p>\n

Male in Audience<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Was a religious ship\u2013 King James sent it.<\/p>\n

Male in Audience<\/strong>: That\u2019s right. You got it.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Voice slowly rising to ministerial fervor) And put you in chains in the first pew. Tied you up, and told you to learn their religion, so that you wouldn\u2019t want what you had coming to you. Said, \u201cSlaves, obey your master.\u201d You think God said that? It\u2019s in the book: \u201cServants, obey your master.\u201d That\u2019s a mistranslation. God never said there was any slave. He said, There\u2019s neither bond nor free, Greek nor Jew, Scythian or Barbarian, black or white, they\u2019re all one in him! Out of one blood, God made all nations!<\/p>\n

Audience<\/strong>: (Agreement, applause)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: But King James put in there that some are slaves. And he said, If you got a good master, be thankful. If you got a (stumbles over words) bad master, be content. Whatever state you find yourself in, therewith be content. And I wanna say \u2013 one sister walkin\u2019 out \u2013 you don\u2019t like me talking about the dead letter. (Taps pulpit) (Pause) But then\u2013 Do you believe all the letter? No, you don\u2019t. Do you believe that women should keep silent in the churches?<\/p>\n

Male in Audience<\/strong>: No.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2018Course<\/em> you don\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Male in Audience<\/strong>: No.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And King James said, Let the women keep silence in (draws out word) all the churches. Suffer not a woman to teach. And let a woman keep silent, and if she wants to learn anything, go home and ask her husband.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: If you can find him. (Pause, then rises to ministerial fervor) If he isn\u2019t dead<\/em>, because somebody\u2019s worked him to death. If\u2013 So you don\u2019t tell me you believe it! (claps hands once) You don\u2019t believe it. If the women would keep silent in the churches, we wouldn\u2019t have<\/em> any churches! They\u2019re the backbone<\/em> of the church! They\u2019re what\u2019s kept the church going<\/em>! And yet the book says, Let the women keep silent in all<\/em> the churches! Suffer not a woman to speak.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: (Assent)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Voice moderates) Absurdities. Atrocities<\/em>. Mistranslations. And all I want you to do is to act<\/em> like God, because that\u2019s the only way the world\u2019s gonna know that God exists, is for you to become living epistles, the manifestation of the sons of God. That\u2019s the only way people are going to know, is if you become the living Bible, so they can read you in decent actions. (Pause) (Quiet) But it\u2019s a hard job gettin\u2019 it done. And when I walk down this isle, someone\u2019ll say, \u201cPray<\/em>to me. Pray for me. Pray this, pray that.\u201d It says, \u201caccording to my works\u201d \u2013 the scripture says \u2013 \u201ccommand ye me.\u201d And that\u2019s the true scripture that you need to hear. Now if you can visualize God in me, you\u2019ll reproduce God in you. If you can see God in that precious sister sitting down in that front row, of the third row, you\u2019ll see God in her, you\u2019ll reproduce God in you. It\u2019s not a matter of praying. (Claps hands once)<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: No.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: It\u2019s a matter of living.<\/p>\n

Male in Audience<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Letting it be lived in you. (Pauses, clears throat) I\u2013 I know that there\u2019s older person (Pause) that is on, uh, Merritt Drive that needs to ask me a question. If you want to do it publicly or privately, I don\u2019t know which, but I don\u2019t want you to leave<\/em> here, because if you don\u2019t get the truth today, it\u2019s gonna affect your health. You\u2019re so shook up. Why the truth would she uh, would shake you up is hard for me to understand. You oughta be glad to get<\/em> it. Oughta free<\/em> you. Eighty-eight dollar social security and give \u2018em twelve dollars of it, uh (short laugh)<\/p>\n

Audience<\/strong>: (laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: To one preacher? And thirty dollars, nearly, of it to the church you go to? Givin\u2019 half your money? You oughta be glad to be free<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: Amen. That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Say, well then, maybe I\u2019ll quit givin\u2019 it to you<\/em>. You\u2019re not giving me anything. I\u2019m not taking a penny<\/em> of your money.<\/p>\n

Voices in Audience<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: All the money that comes through here is feeding the hungry. Put shoes on little babies\u2019 feet. Gives home for older people. Takes care of needy children. We have a lovely children\u2019s home, forty acres, that we\u2019re buying. And what do you say to me? If you get the truth and go out and do what I\u2019m doing, I don\u2019t care if you don\u2019t give me another penny. If you\u2019ll do what I\u2019m doing for people. (Pause) Well. (Pause) Yeah, uh, I\u2019m giving this moment to ask the question if you wish. Anyone that wants to ask the question to get it clarified. \u2018Cause I\u2019m sure you couldn\u2019t understand every little thing. I just want to be sure I\u2019ve done my part.<\/p>\n

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