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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Jones<\/strong>: (unintelligible word) that the USA nearly used the atomic bomb. [Richard] Nixon almost began it in Vietnam. He gave them an ultimatum, and he said\u2013 then was when he\u2019s fighting and leaked the information, he said he realized that he was working for a monster. A state with a monster. And also another time, I\u2019ve forgotten the details of that (unintelligible word), of\u2013 offered even early, to give in\u2013 the nuclear uh\u2013 backing support for nuclear attack under the French. So that\u2013 that\u2019s an important and uh\u2013 I would like those that\u2019re doing discussion tonight to be sure to study that so they\u2019ll be prepared to pass an examination. The Bakke decision of course is a\u2013 a\u2013 an unfortunate landmark of reverse, that set us back, I don\u2019t know how long. In that\u2013<\/p>\n

Male voice<\/strong>: soft<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, then I gotta be going to the (unintelligible word), and then I don\u2019t have to worry with this<\/em>. Thank you. (Pause) So we shall begin. How many have the uh, required uh, material done? What was the required material?<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Bakke decision.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: The Bakke decision, the commentary on the terrible, terrible television program on youth crime that revealed so very, very much about how US uses them\u2013 the film to propagandize on one of the largest nation networks. There was also some part of today\u2019s news. What was that that you were to be sure to remember?<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: [Daniel] Ellsberg. Um-hmm [Yes]. The news in general of the morning. I thought it was an interesting and uh, a shocking uh, view of capitalists that they now have had radio contacts, enough US, both sightings that the State Department is calling on joint mobilized effort, not even of the socialist world but the capitalist world, to defend this planet from outer space, in that the extraterrestrial beings will be more advanced, than uh, the U\u2013 the U\u2013 US system, of course. But now you know that shows the flaw of the capitalist idiocy. Any advanced society, no doubt they started from the same primitive primordial beginnings and worked from the one-celled ameba up through the monkey stage and walked like human beings and crawled out of the sea originally, so they all had their divisions on that planet, and worked through<\/em> those divisions of color and the divisions of nationality and developed one world<\/em>government. Now it\u2019s hardly likely that a people so sensitive and so willing to empathize and have understanding, to communicate across barriers, is going to be any danger, and the stupid sons-a-bitches, it shows how narcissistic USA is. Obviously, they\u2019ve been around, there\u2019ve been sightings everywhere, even the\u2013 the dean of the U\u2013 Notre Dame University, Father [Theodore] Hesburgh saw\u2013 saw \u2018em with his priest associates out on Lake Michigan or some little tributary of Lake Michigan, and he was all shook up \u2013 he was the former head of the US Civil Rights Commission \u2013 and we\u2019ve had these sightings over and over again. If they were going to destroy us, they could just (pfft) and do it. (Short laugh) They\u2019re probably looking at us like we would look at a uh\u2013 a\u2013 a test tube of maggots. (Pause) You know?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: They\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019re probably watching us like you\u2019d watch maggots to see which ones are dangerous and which ones might be able to develop out of the larva stage into something that could fly and be at least worthwhile to somebody<\/em>, and they were obviously never visiting the Soviet Union<\/em>. I know this is strange that the Soviet Union\u2019s not reporting \u2018em. And China is not reporting the sightings. The damn people are watching the capitalists. (Short laugh)<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Murmurs
\nJones<\/strong>: China has reported no UFO sightings, USSR\u2013 \u2018cause I read the science maging\u2013 magazine USSR couple of months ago, and they said that they had never seen any sightings, so either capitalists are guilty of hallucination, which\u2013 the Soviets say they uh\u2013 also believe that there\u2019re extraterrestrial beings because of some mer\u2013 certain\u2013 uncertain radio signals and uh, codified radio signals, but it\u2019s most<\/em> fascinating that the most<\/em> uh, important place to the space beings is USA. That\u2019s where they\u2019re seen every other day. I\u2019d watch them too, wouldn\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Agreement<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: All of the poverty, crime, and viciousness that was shown in the golden years, the horror of it, uh, the horror of US youth being destroyed with dope and racist genocide, and they want to spend millions<\/em> of dollars to prepare the capitalist world to defend<\/em> itself against outer space. (Short laugh) That\u2019s just like a little dog baying at the moon.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: But it shows the ignorance of capitalism. It shows the total<\/em> ignorance of capitalism. You see it every day. They don\u2019t have the intelligence to even hardly govern themselves. Anyone with their right<\/em> mind would know a\u2013 a creature, an intelligent being able to transverse through many light-years and many universes to get to this planet, is certainly able to blow it up, and there wouldn\u2019t be one cotton-pickin\u2019 thing that all the capitalists in the world\u2013 Wake up, now, it\u2019s a little early, baby, to start sleeping. You\u2019re using the sunglasses now, so come on, now, wake up. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Probably got eagle eyes, he can see behind the sunglasses, so uh\u2013 just\u2013 just stay with it, there. (Pause) (Laughs) I\u2019m\u2013 I know there may be other reasons, but I can see behind them.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Off-mike) Yes, yes, yes. (Back on) So I supposed then the other decision, the\u2013 the other\u2013 the most important news is Guyana\u2019s uh, role\u2013 uh, really indicting uh, strong indictment of imperialism, in view of the fact that it suffers like all Third World nations without a nuclear umbrella, it\u2019s non-aligned, and I have never heard more poignant statements coming out of [Forbes Burnham] the Prime Minister\u2019s mouth. We have advance news\u2013 notice because [Paula Adams] one of our young women uh, engaged to the Ambassador [Laurence Mann], uh, one of the important government officials that uh, the Minister of Trade uh, uh, [George] King will be fired and charged with criminal felony charges. He\u2019s one of the top uh, ranking officials in the Gu\u2013 in the Guyana government. He being accused of accepting bribes. That shows honesty<\/em>. It also shows that Mr. Burnham must not have too much to hide if he is willing to get people that close to him. He\u2019s not doing it by military might, he\u2019s going to use the court<\/em> systems. He\u2019s not doing it from a position of a dictator.\u00a0 He said, heads are going to roll, but he did not mean that in tay\u2013 in the terms of a dictator imprisoning people, he means they\u2019re going to lose their jobs<\/em>, and he said white collar crime is going to go to jail<\/em>, said I\u2019m tired of people in business and government just getting a slap on the wrist and say go home<\/em>, uh, no more, no more, no more. He said they\u2019re going to go to jail, just like the choke-and-rob. Uh, here in Guyana, you know what the choke-and-rob means, they grab you around the neck, and then uh, they hold you and take your pocketbook. We were hoping that some people who came visiting us might get it. One fellow even volunteered his services, but by that time, Tim Stoen was gone.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: He liked Chr\u2013 He liked Chris Lewis so much, and he had some information apparently, but he\u2019d been involved with Chris\u2019 murder and he wo\u2013 he said he\u2019d get him. But by that time, Tim Stoen was gone. Nonetheless, Tim Stoen was gone because he was kicked out of the country. That gave us a good sense. We\u2019ve never had good many sense of feeling, they just put him on a plane, said bye-bye. Mrs. [Kathy] Hunter, or Mrs. White Hunter, who is as old and looks about as raggedy as a crocodile, she uh, of course, has just been recently raped by two bl\u2013 young black men in uh, northern California. I\u2019m sure our young black men are not so hard up that they would rape the old bitch.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I doubt as most young men, as narcissistic as they are, would spit on her to put a fire out, much less, uh, rape her. But she also was put on the plane and kicked out, so we at least have had a few victories, haven\u2019t we, children?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Tim Stote made\u2013 Tim Stote mane\u2013 Tim whatever his busted name is, Stoen made his appearance in court yesterday to answer our 155 million dollar suit against him for his uh, illegal actions and breaking the rules of law, as a lawyer, \u2018cause we\u2019re after his license. We know that a capitalist worships their little license of being a doctor or a lawyer more than anything<\/em>. Why kill them. Just take their license away from them. Make Tim Stoen wash dishes. That would be good<\/em> for him.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Anyway. Anyway, the only way he could defend himself in the court was most fascinating. He used the dirty hands technique. That means is, they\u2019re\u2013 they did things that were illegal, we did, for socialist reasons, we did kind of trickerations, and he said, so they can\u2019t call me illegal because they did it too<\/em>. (Laughs) So we both<\/em> did it. (Pause) The (unintelligible word) is, we can stand up proudly and say, whatever we did, it was never criminal to hurt anyone, we did it for socialism<\/em>, we did it for the end that justifies the means, the only<\/em> end, the communization of the world, he<\/em> did it for his own selfish bestiality and brutality, but he had to admit the first day in court that he\u2019d used dirty hands. That\u2019s the only way he could defend himself. He had no other way to defend himself. Now that doesn\u2019t make a very good defense for a lawyer. (Pause) So he\u2019s starting out poorly. Well, let\u2019s see. I think we\u2019ll go into\u2013 we\u2019ll see what we uh\u2013 How many did listen the Bakke decision, uh, tape. (Pause) Uh\u2013 You ought to listen when it comes over, you can train your ear to listen, you\u2019ll pick up some high points. (stumbles over words) I tried to mix it with certain news. What, uh\u2013 what did you get out of the news, uh, today, uh, Etta Thompson? What\u2019d you get out of the news? No\u2013 no\u2013 no grading on it at all. What\u2019d you get out of the news? I mixed a lot of things today, just to see if people might pick up on the certain things, if we put a little light things or different things, to see if they pick up the salient world news.<\/p>\n

Thompson<\/strong>: (soft beginning) We been gettin\u2019 the news over there, but for the past two days, I haven\u2019t been able to hear anything ov\u2013 from other there.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Oh?<\/p>\n

Thompson<\/strong>: No. For the past two days. We haven\u2019t heard anything from over there.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Too much noise, is it, or\u2013<\/p>\n

Thompson<\/strong>: Well, if you don\u2019t hear it at all\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: The peak\u2013 the speakers are lower. Come on, folk, you can\u2019t do that. Would you please report it, when the speakers are low. Please report it. Who did hear it\u2013 hear the news today? You won\u2019t be graded on it at all. (Pause) Okay, here\u2019s a\u2013 here\u2019s a good singer over here. Tell me\u2013 tell me, darling, what\u2013 what did you hear? Yeah, one of the gospel theaters, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice too soft<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: What\u2019d you say, Comrade [Florence] Heath?<\/p>\n

Voice too soft<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/strong> The Bakke decision.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: The Bakke decision.<\/p>\n

Heath<\/strong>: Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: What other little\u2013 little thing did you hear that might have stuck out in your mind?<\/p>\n

Heath<\/strong>: Uh, I heard you say that uh, it was discrimination against blacks and Indians, and doctors and lawyers, uh, to keep them from entering into university, and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Yes, that\u2019s true, you got the Bakke decision. They call it that there no longer any quota<\/em> system, they said that\u2019s unfair to white people. S\u2019 a goddamn strange thing they never worried about uh, anything being unfair to white\u2013 white people until we were about to get an opportunity to go to college. They\u2019ve<\/em> always had the quota system, they\u2019ve been able to go anywhere they wanted to, get any job they wanted to, go to any college they wanted to, take any job they had, live in any neighborhood. Now when some\u2013 We have a decision that says that there must be so many blacks and Indians in the university<\/em>, they say that\u2019s illegal, that\u2019s violating white people\u2019s rights. Well, isn\u2019t that a goddamn shame. I mean, that\u2019s a goddamn shame. How in the world else are we gonna make up for the 300 years of second class citizenship? No, it wasn\u2019t a violation. Now they say, race can be a consideration. That\u2019s like taking a criminal\u2013 giving a criminal uh, the opportunity to say, you can commit crimes if you want to and not go to jail, but you don\u2019t have to. I mean, you can be good if you want to \u2013 better uh, analogy \u2013 you can be good if you want to, and not go to jail, but you don\u2019t have to, we won\u2019t do anything about it. Now, how many damn Mafia members gone be good? If you told him he wasn\u2019t go to jail? They say, race can be a consideration. Well, you know the man\u2019s not gonna be able to make race any consideration. The only\u2013 yeah, he\u2019ll make it consideration, he\u2019ll throw all the Indians and Asians and blacks out. There was only one guarantee, affirmative action, quotas. Now what\u2019ve they done. They\u2019ve moved in on job quotas. We knew that\u2019d be their next move. They\u2019re firing back, say blacks don\u2019t have a right<\/em> to say that they need so many in a union. They never were<\/em> in the plumbers union, in the first place, you couldn\u2019t get \u2018em in the electrical union, and Ti\u2013 uh, Brother [Tim] Swinney, he\u2019s a capable genius in machine shop, you couldn\u2019t get a black person until we set up our own tool and die, our own machine shop, you couldn\u2019t get black people into those places. Thank you, uh, ma\u2013 uh, ma\u2019am, you uh, Comrade Heath, uh, Florence, you\u2019ve done very well. Now to get that. I wonder if any of the little things, the little points, I wonder if it catch your attention. What I\u2019m trying to do is throw some things on the news that will catch your attention, so that you\u2019ll listen rather than just hear that voice and go bye-bye, you know, so that\u2013 when you pass by, something\u2019ll catch your attention. Learn to listen while you walk. You get a lot of it, I\u2019ll tell you. If you let that first impression come in without fear, just wanting to hear. You understand what I\u2019m saying? Don\u2019t think about your problems so much and begin to think about the news. Professor Roller.<\/p>\n

Roller<\/strong>: (Voice too soft. Mic cuts in) I believe this item would be of most interest to some of the people in my class, because one of them mentioned it to me before I heard it, uh, uh, that uh, the Mormon who threw his uh, children out\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: By the way, I didn\u2019t make that clear. Four chil\u2013 Four older children, three young babies and the mother and the father, so it was nine. That\u2019s the only thing\u2013 and uh, three\u2019s enough, but the fantastic job on that blackboard, but I wan\u2013 I wanted to correct that. She uh\u2013 Three she threw off the uh, balcony, and I\u2013 I think that would be fascinating that your class could pick that up. Four, she ordered to jump, because the\u2013 (unintelligible word) prophets and the Latter Day Saints, the Mormons wouldn\u2019t give him the recognition that he wanted, he committed suicide. Strange how they\u2013 They must not really believe in their God, because one of the cardinal laws of religion is, don\u2019t commit suicide. We know it, (unintelligible word) selfishly, because to commit sui\u2013 selfish suicide is a counterrevolutionary act, but it also appears that the horrible fact, I don\u2019t know why life, uh, mind lives on, because I don\u2019t believe in a friendly universe, at least around us, in our<\/em> galaxy, and uh, yet I do know that mind lives on from certain facts that I\u2019ve seen, where I\u2019ve seen people uh, agree with me to die and I\u2019ve seen something leave their body, and then I saw a baby born back when it was prophesied to the Pearsons, which were awesome, when she was supposed to be (unintelligible word) child-bearing, that she would have a little boy who would grow up and be abandoned, because it was a woman who committed suicide, and hurt her children. And we saw that, all of us. Do you remember that? We saw<\/em> that in Redwood Valley. I don\u2019t understand it. But immoral it is. It\u2019s immoral to commit suicide, (unintelligible word) revolutionary act, it\u2019s selfish, it hurts other people. It leaves a void, it leaves a vacuum somewhere, and somebody\u2019s bound to be hurt. You say, nobody cares about me. Oh, yes, they do. It\u2019s something you\u2019re doing that\u2019ll mean more work too, on other people. But all<\/em> religions say m\u2013 it\u2019s immoral, it\u2019s murder, and it\u2019s thou shalt not kill<\/em>, and if you kill, you go to hell. Strange<\/em> that this Mormon prophet could do this to himself, and then all that horrible, horrible act. Horrible<\/em> act. They\u2013 they\u2013 they make fun of Huey Newton for his revolutionary suicide, and we who are socialist, who would give our bodies for a cause if there was a last stand, and yet, they can\u2019t\u2013 uh, they don\u2019t seem to give that much criticism to someone that can have such blind religious fanaticism. They throw their babies eleven floors down. Four are\u2013 four are ordered to jump, the mother follows. I\u2019m glad it happened in Salt Lake City if it had to happen, but what a cruelty. \u2018Cause that\u2019s one of the most racist goddamn towns. Mom [Dorothy] Worley will (unintelligible word) know, and Loretta [Cordell], and some of us, Harold [Cordell], went through that miserable damn town. They turned the water off on us in the park because we\u2019re a mixed group, and I mean, we had people ready to practically die of thirst, if it hadn\u2019t been for Father, they woulda<\/em>died. Edith Cordell can tell you, the eggs were so goddamn hot, we fried<\/em> them on the damn\u2013 we\u2013 we dropped an egg on the pavement. And it fried. And then a cloud came over. There\u2019re strange things that happen in the power of mind. A cloud came over and kept us for 110 miles, (voice rises) right over our car, and took us all the way. I don\u2019t know how it works, but I know something sometimes works for socialism.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Moderates) Praise the name of socialism.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And I remember that goddamn miserable town, as long as I live, because we walked two black people up to the\u2013 walked up to the lake, and an elder in the Church of Latter Day Saints, the Mormons\u2013 we said, we need some water, he said, get out of here, you can\u2019t have no water. We said, what have you done, you folk, you once had to flee the\u2013 the mobs of other religions that tried to kill you and they killed your leader, and you got the\u2013 no mercy? Boy, I read his ass out, and they still wouldn\u2019t give us any water. So it was only that cloud that protected us, or I think some of us woulda died, uh, the temperature was a hundred and twenty some degrees. 120 degrees, out there in that desert. And we had nothing but bald tires \u2013 remember that, Edith? \u2013 Where\u2013 where you at, Edith? You oughta remember that, I tell you. All of us in that caravan, we looked like a bunch of gypsies, and we had more on the top of the car\u2013 there was more on the top of the car than was between the top of the car and the wheels. When we come to California, they saw us, we had all these dogs and all kinds of things weren\u2019t supposed to come through, fruit and everything else, and they saw those tires and said\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: They always have been a mad folk, and I guess they got\u2013 go on through, go on through. And we had\u2013 we had seven dogs, Harold had a dog and I had some dogs, they fighting like hell, and they got right to the border, they\u2013 they also were wise socialists, they shut their mouths, and we got through quiet, they didn\u2019t even bark.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Some of the things that oughta be written about, Peoples Temple, it was funny. Funny\u2013 (Laughs) Well, you\u2013 you were starting to say, Professor Roller, and I interrupted. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Roller<\/strong>: Well, that the uh\u2013 the place that you mentioned uh, that uh, he was a Mormon, uh, which is a discriminatory church against blacks, and the uh, uh, fact of uh, uh, that he uh, felt disgruntled because he\u2013 some insight he\u2019d had into religion, his church wasn\u2019t accepting, so it was a very low motive, if you can say a low motive for suicide, but of course, most horrible of all, to sacrifice those children uh, just\u2013 and\u2013 and by a most brutal method.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Terrible.<\/p>\n

Roller<\/strong>: I just can\u2019t imagine anybody dropping a baby out of a window.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: So often they live, too. No matter how high, they end up crippled. I suppose everybody in the United States, it was made awfully graphic on the news, when Dr. Ellsberg said, this beautiful North America, this wonderful North America that we\u2019re so\u2013 beautiful filled with so many lovely things, will be made an empty wasteland, a desert. There\u2019ll be nothing there. And he wept. They said he wept, as the reporters left, he wept uncontrollably. Said it\u2019s too late. He tried everything. He put his body on the tracks of a leaky mine in Rocky Flats, Colorado, uh, where they were coming in with the uranium, and now he\u2019s facing another 15 years or 20 years. But he said it\u2019s too late. He said, you can\u2019t reverse the process. The American people, also, nuclear reactors, people are dying by cancer, and he said\u2013 and also Dr. Ellsberg said what? In just a little short time, we\u2019re going to have epidemics break out, to what he didn\u2019t even want to describe all the forms it would take. He said so much damn radiation has leaked, (stumbles over words), you lived close, you can be glad you got away from California. We had reactors all around us. If we\u2019da had one major earthquake, we\u2019da probably had everybody killed without an atomic war, because they were right on the fault line, some of \u2018em had no more concern that to build them on the fault line. But he said, there\u2019s a definite\u2013 not his<\/em> article, another article, said, uh, a US government report said that there\u2013 the closer you are to a reactor determines how much more likely of you having cancer. High, high risk of having cancer. Like just being close, there\u2019s that much leak coming from those reactors, that\u2019re supposed to be powering our industries and bringing us in to a total new era. Another else that uh\u2013 the sister right behind you, Nena [likely Herring, could be Downs], you offer advice. Uh, what would you uh\u2013 be\u2013 brilliant senior does good work on her test. What did you pick up, uh\u2013 uh\u2013 You\u2013 you like to have uh, things like UFOs thrown in, not bullshit, but I mean was there something really scientific being brought out, do you like some of that being thrown in the news, does it make a lighter vein and get\u2013 catch the ear? I\u2019ll try to remember to do it. Now what\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Nena<\/strong>: Uh, I\u2019m (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Kim Il Sung\u2019s grandfather [Kim Bo-hyon], yeah, that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s good. I\u2019ll remember that.<\/p>\n

Nena<\/strong>: About the election in Canada, the town there, Quebec, Canada. (tape break-up)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: The election that\u2019s going to take place in October, in uh, uh, Canada, yes.<\/p>\n

Nena<\/strong>: (tape break up) Thank you. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: There is discrimination where, my beloved? There\u2013 the race\u2013 the racist is Mar\u2013 Margaret Thatcher, the conservative leader. Yes, what is she going to do, Nena, what\u2019s she promised to do. Uh, it looks like she\u2019s going to be elected.<\/p>\n

Nena<\/strong>: She\u2019s going to uh, (tape break up)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I just love to hear seniors talk like this.<\/p>\n

Nena<\/strong>: She will tell us when uh, she\u2019s voting (break-up and soft voice) have them to uh, uh, move from (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Can you imagine, someone like this knowing the news, and she was so crippled up, and if she can get the news down and get it, uh, excellents on her test, we\u2019re so proud of seniors getting this information\u2013 Yes. We\u2019re going to have the repatriation of all people of color, already they\u2019re banned, anyone from coming in, many families are separated, two and half million people of color, they\u2019re having to barricade themselves in East London because the police won\u2019t protect them. Horrifying<\/em> news, horrifying news. Thank you, dear. Gerry Bailey. (Pause) Try to get a little of this. Are you hearing it now? Are you understanding it? Does it make any\u2013 any sense? Are you listening? (Pause) \u2018Cause I\u2019m giving it to you, giving you a chance, \u2018cause we gotta get it tomorrow night in the socialist classes, with (unintelligible word). You gotta listen.<\/p>\n

Bailey<\/strong>: Well, Dad, an item that\u2013 that was of interest of me, although it wasn\u2019t world news was the fact that\u2013 that uh, Cleo Wallace who took your place on the uh\u2013 the housing board\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Oh my, yes.<\/p>\n

Bailey<\/strong>: (Laughs) \u2013was being accused of the very things that you had exposed, and having been in\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2013not only Cleo. All the way down. That black Uncle Tom director, and the treasurer, that even tries to get our\u2013 one of our young women involved in it, uh, who was uh, very young. They\u2013 they tried to get her to sign fraudulent papers, to backdate and put people who\u2019d never existed on record, and fortunately, she got a hold of us, but she typed one form, and signed it, they had to bring her\u2013 I don\u2019t know why people don\u2019t listen to me and (draws out word) never sign anything. All that mess in the newspaper. You talk about our mess, there is nothing<\/em> like this mess. There\u2019s headlines in every paper, clear down to\u2013 and they\u2019re being charged with crimes. I been telling them, some of \u2018em are going to go to jail for ten years. I exposed all that, but they uh\u2013 they\u2013 they tried to suppress it for a little while, it probably never woulda come out if I hadn\u2019t made it so clear, I dropped it on an editor, and I got the feeling that [Steve] Gavin, when he got out of San Francisco, has done something with HUD up in Washington, DC. I\u2013 I gave it all to him. I gave him the whole hot scoop, I said, this goddamn place is a racket, and I gave it all to uh, Mr. Gavin, who\u2019s been a friend of ours, he\u2013 he was wri\u2013 he called\u2013 we talked to him uh, on the telephone, he offering us some advice about news. He had to leave San Francisco, it\u2019s so corrupt, and go to Baltimore, but he\u2019s grossly unhappy. Said he might be joining us. He\u2019s drinking himself to death. Anybody in America, even though he\u2019s a powerful editor and white, Irish, they can see how empty it is, empty empty empty. And it is<\/em> hell. I mean, there\u2013 they\u2019ve got him on everything<\/em>. There\u2019re all kinds of funds, there\u2019re 150 dollar\u2013 150,000 dollar fund \u2013 one fund \u2013 that they don\u2019t know where a damn dime will go in. They can\u2019t account for a dime.<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: Could I say that, along with the fact that you\u2019ve, you know, been the boldest and the most courageous socialist and uh, freedom fighter, I might say, that I have ever known, along with that, the fact that the only way to get rid of you was to try to destroy your influence. I wonder if the fact that you did start to expose<\/em> this might have contributed to the fact that all of this bad stuff started happening.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Oh, sure. Oh, sure. Oh, sure. There was a triggering mechanism. I was too high. You can\u2019t be a commissioner, and then the commission elect you the chairman of the commission, be the head of an entire housing commission in a prominent, large, and most beautiful city in America, and be a communist<\/em>? Oooo. What you talkin\u2019 about, honey? Uh, you (stumbles over words). You can be a communist, (unintelligible word), there nothing happened to the communists, there\u2019re a few communists, what they doing? We don\u2019t know them. What\u2019s Angela [Davis] doing? You don\u2019t see her name in the paper. She isn\u2019t leading any groups. She\u2019ll speak to a classroom and have 25 in it. So you can be a communist, they like to say, oh well, we\u2013 we\u2019re a free country, got a communist over here, teaching in the class. What the hell they worrying about 25 people who are listening to communist who never talked communism. I have never heard Angela Davis, when she gets in a lecture, talk communism. She talks about the prisoners\u2019 rights over in East\u2013 uh, in the Eastern states. That\u2019s nice, we need to do something about the prisons, but (Voice rises) we need to say what caused it. It\u2019s capitalism that caused the goddamn problem.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Moderates) And that\u2013 that\u2019s what kills me about Angela. Did you ever her talk about Marxist-Leninism when she was in our pulpit? I\u2019d get up and talk right in front of her, and lay a Marxist-Leninist foundation, and we\u2019d sing the national anthem of the Soviet Union, \u201cUnited Forever,\u201d and by God, she\u2019d get up and talk about the prisoners\u2019 problems. For hell\u2019s fire, these people sold out. The fact of the matter, she told someone recently, she said, I paid my price, I was in jail for 15 months, so I\u2019m not going to get involved anymore. That\u2019s nice. She sent me her biddings. She sent me her biddings. Last night, I had a hell of a time. Oh, you\u2019d\u2019ve enjoyed it. I knew<\/em> that the Enquirer<\/em> was listening. The Enquirer<\/em>, this little dirty rag sheet or Star<\/em>, is going to do some dirty shit, it\u2019s run by the CIA, editor, and it\u2013 you know, it\u2019s in every supermarket. They\u2019re getting ready to do a dirty on us. And so they accused me the other night of talking to Lieutenant Governor [Mervyn] Dymally, they don\u2019t know our codes worth shit, \u2018cause they\u2013 they\u2013 they think\u2013 they thought Yvette\u2013 they went and called Yvette\u2019s mother here, and said we were talking abo\u2013 about Yvette, and that shows us one good thing they do\u2013 they don\u2019t know much about our codes. I\u2019m very happy, because Yvette means something uh, entirely else. If they\u2013 if they hadn\u2019t been able to break Yvette, they haven\u2019t broke very much. So they\u2013 they called her up and they just insisted we talk to her, \u2018cause they heard us, but they also heard us talk to some other folk, oh my. I called them up in the middle of the night, and said I was Jim Jones, (false bonhomie) oh, hi, Jim, how are you? We\u2013 we\u2013 A lot of us love you here in San Francisco, we\u2019re behind you. Haven\u2019t been able to find their ass, I mean. If I thought if I called them rate\u2013 late at night on their unlisted phone, I\u2019d get them to answer the phone, we really love you and we just standin\u2019 by you, and here (makes sounds of phone circuits).<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: So I\u2013 at least I thought we\u2019d put some interesting people in the entire (unintelligible word), you know, when we go down.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Oh, one of \u2018em\u2019s got a television program, a morning show on ABC-TV. (Laughs) His wife said, I love you, we\u2013 we know how badly you\u2019ve been treated, we\u2019re behind you all the way. Let\u2019s see. (laughs) Let\u2019s see when the Enquirer<\/em> say\u2013 (laughs) says they talked to other than Dolly, that\u2019s their\u2013 one of their secret alliances, they air at six o\u2019\u2013 six o\u2019clock in the morning. I didn\u2019t call their name. No, I knew I wouldn\u2019t have to, \u2018cause everybody knows his voice, they hear him on television every morning. (Pause) \u2018Cause I talking to Thomas Fleming, when they tried to blame it on Dy\u2013 Dymally, they\u2019re trying to bring Dymally down, and I wasn\u2019t about to tell them it was Thomas Fleming, \u2018cause I\u2019m not gonna hurt good people who\u2019ve been a good friend. But some of these folks, I haven\u2019t been able to find them. Boy, they asked me for everything, and they didn\u2019t mind me doing everything, bringing their buses everywhere, backing them on everything, the moment we got our first lies in the newspaper, they were gone<\/em>. And I called him late in the night, I called him late in the night. I talked to him about a baby, a little w\u2013 youngster that needed a corneal transplant. (unintelligible word) Nobody has to get (unintelligible word) involved, you won\u2019t have to show your connection with the church, you can do it privately. And I know that you\u2019d like to help a young man, \u2018cause they won\u2019t, they won\u2019t do nothing, said it\u2019s a corneal\u2013 we gone do something about it, little (stumbles over words) Indian boy out here in the community (stumbles over words) corneal plan\u2013 transplant, and they\u2019ll be able to see. But we can\u2019t afford<\/em> it right now, we gotta get our people to freedom, time we get some of these do-gooders to do something about it, so I\u2013 I just went into that, and then I\u2013 then I needed to talk (mumbles) \u2018cause he felt a little guilty, you know, and he was sleepy\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I just wanted to make the story a little more interesting, that\u2019s all. Hell, you know, it\u2019s just communism, (unintelligible word) said, let\u2019s make a whole communist movement. Hell, you may be surprised, another couple three weeks, you may find folk trying to get in here who never had\u2013 who never would\u2019ve dreamed of getting in here. (Pause) You agree with that? I\u2013 I thought you\u2019d all enjoy that.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Stirs, light applause<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You\u2013\u00ad you enjoy that. I think\u2013 I think tonight I shall call a\u2013 a, un, they\u2019re saying, I\u2019m a friend of Idi Amin, I think I\u2019ll make a call to Idi Amin.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Laughs) Give \u2018em something to talk about. Goddamn. I\u2019m getting tired of hearing about cancers and beatings (laughs) and all this shit. Just give them something to talk about. We don\u2019t care how much they talk about us, though, we\u2019re glad for the many here that woulda died of cancer that are he\u2013 now healed. We\u2019re glad for that. \u2018Cause we\u2019re socialists, and we need some socialists.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Aw, shit, that\u2019s great. (Pause) Well, well, I think that uh, if you have any questions, because you\u2019ll have the same requirements tomorrow on the test. To know the news of last Tuesday night, the news that I have uh, screened today. Now all of today\u2019s news. Did you hear all today\u2019s news? No, no, you didn\u2019t have to. But tomorrow, you got (unintelligible word) test, \u2019cause we\u2019ve already gone through all the rest of this, haven\u2019t we? You ought to be able to write on the Bakke decision right now, wouldn\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Perhaps you need a little talk on uh, the uh, Cuban\u2013 uh, the socialist commitment here on uh, anti-corruption, I give you that. You need to know their position on imperialism, I gave you that. I think the history of Korea is damn interesting. And it\u2019s the strongest kind of communism, you\u2019ve got to have a strong central benevolent leader. He\u2019s been that. You remember one interesting thing, I think the most interesting thing. The United States poured more bombs on that little country than fell between 1939 and 1949, by all<\/em> nations in World War II, and levelled every building in North Korea, and under the honorable leadership of Kim Il Sung, the communist leader, the agrarian leader, they built back every building, and there\u2019s not one<\/em> scar of war left, in just 30 years. Twenty-five<\/em> years. Twenty-five years. That\u2019s a hell of accomplishment for people that had just dug out of the caves. They had been inou\u2013 they had been oppressed by the Japanese and by the old czar, they\u2019d been held under the Chinese, they had not developed a thing, and then to be bombed into the\u2013 out of existence, and rebuild in 25 years. Then the his\u2013 the interesting history, as my son Jim [Jones Jr.] said of his grandfather [likely James Thurman Jones, could be Walter Baldwin], that communist heritage there, they uh, tremendously friendly people and a tremendously disciplined people. In fact, many of Guyanese say we\u2019re closest to them of any. And they<\/em> said that we would\u2019ve fit into their community extremely well. But we have even gone a step further, that they said they admired us for, their ambassador said. They have not been able to eliminate the money system, and they\u2019re fascinated<\/em> that we don\u2019t exchange money. And they said, the chap almost wept. He said, that\u2019s the ideal. So you don\u2019t have to pass money between people. That\u2019s the ideal. He said, that will finally eliminate the barriers. So we ought to be grateful for the fact that in spite of all the hell that we\u2019ve had raining upon us, we don\u2019t have to pass money between each other. There\u2019s no price<\/em> on our head anymore.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: We can all go to that medical department and get our care. We can all get our food. The unfortunate fact, though, that in that process of communization, some have forgotten that things still cost<\/em>. You may be seated. They cost<\/em>. And we waste<\/em>. And we\u2013 everything that we buy<\/em> from the outside world still<\/em> requires money. You<\/em> don\u2019t have to use it, but I do. And I have to get it to meet right now better than the million and a half dollars of supplies that\u2019ve been ordered. Not unessentials, essential orders. So for Christ\u2019s sake, think of ways of making money, like Kim [likely Brewster, could be Fye] did with that marvelous broom and that brush the other night, and the soap that Etta\u2019s making. And we appreciated Norman [Ijames] coming in and giving\u2013 he rented a work\u2013 I don\u2019t know if he\u2019s working in some way to help fix uh\u2013\u00a0so we can form it better, because we get that s\u2013 uh, that soap formulated, it\u2019ll be uh, uh, in proper form so we can sell it, that\u2019ll be a means. Every way we can make money. You got to think, but most of all, save it. Don\u2019t take food just to waste the damn food. We got to all be guardians. Don\u2019t see anybody take it. And you\u2019re wasting it when you\u2019re waddling around here like a duck, too heavy, you\u2019re wasting it when you dump it inside you.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Oh, come on, now, come on.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Speaks off mic) Hmm? Oh, yes. All right. (back to mic) And by the way, we have a doctor, a dentist, Dr. Ng-A-Fook, the Chinese who\u2019s come, so many think\u2013 so many think uh, he\u2019s a little\u2013 uh, he doesn\u2019t believe in pain medications, there\u2019s been a lot of reactions to uh, medications, and sto\u2013 a socialist ought to take pain. There\u2019s not that much pain, I never have used any Novocain, that\u2019s sort of a\u2013 but he is the best denture maker, the best plate maker, and he fills\u2013 his fillings are the best. And he\u2019ll be putting\u2013 When he comes again, I hope that nobody slugs him.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, we\u2013 we had a little incident, the sister, uh, of course was, as most things, Mark Twain said that, uh, when they said he was dead, he said, it was a high\u2013 it was high\u2013 it was the\u00ad\u2013 the story about his death was highly exaggerated. But<\/em>, uh, the man did get struck\u2013 Oh, Lord. Ken Norton [aka Gerald Richard Grubbs] made it. Look at this, honest to God, have mercy. Isn\u2019t that something. Isn\u2019t that something, something, something. That is one hell of a chair.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: That makes my heart feel good, doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Look at that chair. That\u2019s a better chair than I\u2019ve seen. That\u2019s better than we bought back there, with little cushions on them in San Francisco. Put it\u2013 open it up, and show it\u2013 Hold it up, hold it up in front of the people. That\u2019s a\u2013 Isn\u2019t that something else? Something else.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: We should have that modeled when people come in, the delegations come in to visit. Or we put marks on, so we can show our brooms and our gun\u2013 uh, things like that. No, no, not our guns. (unintelligible word), that was a mistake, don\u2019t (laughs) I forgot, heh-heh, you didn\u2019t hear that, I was just talking, \u2018cause I didn\u2019t know better.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Cleave [Swinney] will never be able to pop your eyes, all he does. (Pause) It\u2019s wonderful, yes. Oh, they don\u2019t mind. They\u2019ll be happy for us. We can break through with some\u2013 making something like that, Guyana would be thrilled<\/em>. Yes, they will. Oh, we get it done. (Laughs) Uh, Cleave made about everything. One thing he\u2019s going to have to do is go to the boats. I hope you people in the machine shop, he\u2019s got to go to that boat. That boat is not being taken care of, so we get down to business now. Uh, I said I was afraid that this would be the case, the captain is not doing the right job, uh, because he doesn\u2019t feel the owner\u2019s close, and Cleave got on that boat, Richard [Janaro] is a nice sorta guy, he didn\u2019t want to get any feathers up, and Cleave don\u2019t give a damn about feathers. He got on the boat, and he said he saw that damn mess, and uh, they\u2019d uh, not taken proper care of the ge\u2013 gears and broke\u2013 uh, broke, what, a shaft, and uh, ground the gears and set our ship down when we coulda made 40,000 dollars with two orders. I\u2019m sending him in Monday, and uh, we can uh, maybe Richard can help with other things in the business, he can get out here and get a little rest, and uh, be with his children [Daren and Mauri], because he\u2019s a little preoccupied with family right now, but we\u2019re going to have to uh, get uh, Cleave there, and Helen [Swinney] uh, got to get in to\u2013 \u2018cause we\u2019re gonna have to get somebody stand on that boat and we\u2019re going to have to decide here tonight who\u2019s gonna run that boat, because\u2013 I want somebody training for that captain shit, I don\u2019t want to have that kinda shit, we lost 40,000 dollars in shipments, and then I was told\u2013 Cleave come in here and he was furious, I never saw his blood pressure so high, he said they told him not to tell<\/em> Father because he might fire the boat crew.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Responds.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Um-hmm. Cleave don\u2019t operate that way. Don\u2019t tell Father, \u2018cause it might get him upset. I think I should<\/em> be upset, by God, if we got that kind of a mess.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: What the hell are we having here when they can\u2019t run a boat between here, and they broke down here, and Cleave in the machine shop, and uh, Tim [Swinney] had to fix it, and then we get it all the way back to the port, by God, and we break it again. Aw, come on now. That beautiful freighter, somebody\u2019s uh\u2013 and they\u2019re partying on the boat, and I know one thing, if Helen\u2019s on that boat, there won\u2019t be so much partying.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: There\u2019s one thing, when you look at uh, Helen\u2019s face, you don\u2019t feel like partying.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Laughs) Hold in there, Helen, hold in there. (Laughs) (Pause) Now, what we gonna do and what we\u2019re gonna decide now, who\u2019s gonna go there, who can we trust into that boat, we gotta get the administrators and CAO\u2019s, Steering\u2019s open to that under Stephan [Jones] and Vernetta [Christian], the secretary, that they come up with some recommendations uh, by Monday we\u2019re gonna have to decide, tonight (unintelligible word) fool with this. Mmm-mm, mm-mmm [No]. What we have to go through, Philip\u2019s [Blakey] already licensed on the country, isn\u2019t he.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd<\/strong>: Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: He\u2019s got a\u2013 he\u2019s got a girlfriend now, so he can behave out there, he won\u2019t get\u2013 he won\u2019t fuck in every port, \u2018cause he\u2019ll come home to Carol [likely Kerns] and be nice.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Stirs.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Won\u2019t you, Philip?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Calls<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Laughs) Go hide, Philip. He never did fuck in every port now, he (stumbles over words)\u2013 I assure<\/em> he won\u2019t do it now. Where\u2019s Carol. I bet her face is red too.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: She\u2019d hid over there on the other side.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well. I think that\u2019s probably a good start. I know Tim is needed badly in his work. Where\u2019s Tim Swinney?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: That\u2019s what I\u2019m afraid of. But somebody, the engineer, Tim went on the\u2013 he went on that boat and they were fucking around for a day and a half, and Cleave finally said, now I want to tell you, goddammit, I own that fucking boat, and I want this thing fixed in half hour. Said (unintelligible sentence) Richard said, you won\u2019t be better off. I said, I own the fuckin\u2019 boat, it\u2019s my goddamn fucking boat, he said, I knew they\u2019d understand nothing else, and they had it fixed in a half hour.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Don\u2019t say that. Well, he did\u2013 he did. It\u2019s all right to say it when you can get something done in a half hour. Except fuckin\u2019. It ain\u2019t worth talking about when you\u2019re just getting a fuck for half an hour. If you can get a boat while we\u2019re messing around, paying all this price, and Cleave come back, and anxious to make\u2013 he can make the plates that they had messed up, and making the\u2013 he\u2019s making the uh, crankshaft that they broke. It\u2019s outrageous. It\u2019s just damned outrageous. That boat\u2013 they got to get back there, we fortunately got two more orders in their place because we\u2019re good friends of the shipping head here on\u2013 in Guyana. But I don\u2019t want this to happen anymore. Mmm, mmmm, mmmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm. You got anybody else that could work in the draining [training] as an engineer?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: [Dorrus] Soloman? \u2018Cause Soloman got to fuck when he comes home.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Joyce McIntyre? You better perfume your vagina and keep him happy.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause and laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You\u2019re off the heat, now, Philip.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: All right. (Pause) All right, all right. Now do you understand the requirement of the news before we go into the uh, matters at hand of agriculture, \u2018cause we\u2019ve been uh\u2013 we\u2019ve got to have the news. But we also gotta produce the land. Gotta take care of the ships. Uh, this is what I want you to know. Now take a quick listen. What socialist nations are helped\u2013 giving help in Guyana? Hear me? And it\u2019ll be on tape. What important event is now taking place in Havana, Cuba? What im\u2013 socialist nations are help\u2013 giving help to Guyana? What important socialist nation is helping Mozambique? I want you to know the history of that great and beleaguered country. I gave you the history of Mozambique this week, didn\u2019t I? Want you to know that, and uh, you know, (unintelligible word) China. That\u2019s why I\u2013 we have to say, it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s unfortunate in the nuclear age that there\u2019s these nationalistic differences, and the ethnic pain. China remembers the pain of the White Russians, that were paid by the US capitalists to rape her after the fall of the communists\u2013 I mean, at the beginning of the communist revolution, and they fled to China. Russia has their fears and uh, uh, all people have nationalistic period to their history. Uh, they remember the Genghis Khan. He got all the way what\u2013\u00a0to uh, what was it, to the\u2013 What was the thing, uh\u2013 (unintelligible word) Got right into Austria, Vienna, wasn\u2019t it, to the\u2013? Hmm? France and Poland. Chinese empire that extended that far\u2013 far. They\u2019ll be all right, they\u2019ll get to it, China\u2019ll get back to internationalism, the Soviets\u2019ll get back to internationalism. They\u2019re already there, in their internationalism. But unfortunately, they go through these periods of distrust, but how do we know the superiority of communism \u2013 that\u2019s important \u2013 over socialism, over capitalism? Anybody know that? One simple thing that shows that. Just a simple thing, I said in the news. There\u2019re many<\/em> things, but a simple thing. The fact that [Jimmy] Carter is so cheap that he is letting the capitalists come back with the same old damn unusable bomb shelters that were sold in the 1950s, and trying to put them on the market and make the people feel that they\u2019ve got protection, and the Chinese have underground shelters that sweep out 100 miles from their cities, and do the USSR, the Soviet Union. That shows a system that cares about people<\/em>. Capitalism, USA, cares about money, profit, property<\/em>. What did Dr. Ellsberg say was the last step, he said the last<\/em> step before nuclear war? They proving they\u2019re stepping there. Anybody remember? The neutron bomb. He said, but it won\u2019t work, it won\u2019t control, it won\u2019t control, it won\u2019t stop it. He said, they can\u2019t use the neutron bomb without reaction from the Soviet\u2013 uh, the socialist world. (Pause) You better know what I\u2019m talking about, \u2018cause I\u2019m trying to help you what you\u2019re going to be expecting. (Pause) (Blows nose) Come on, (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: What disagreement did Senator [Edward] Kennedy have with President Carter? Do you know what that was, what has the so-called liberal Senator Kennedy come\u2013 done that shows he\u2019s schizophrenic? He voted for Senate Bill 1437, he sponsored Senate Bill 1437, which is this awesome law that nobody now can tell the truth of what the government\u2019s doing, and yet he came out against Carter because he says Carter\u2019s a hypocrite, kept none of his promises, the health and\u2013 and the health uh, guaranteed insurance that was suppo\u2013 supposed to be provided to US citizens has not been\u2013 been done. What has recently been revealed about the CIA and its new director [Stansfield Turner]? Hmm?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Hmm?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Used network news. Yes. Used network uh, news. Got several of them working. Picks up the files of newsmen. So dishonest, he used\u2013 a black man doesn\u2019t been know when he\u2019s being used, when he interviews Indians in Washington about their problems, and he\u2013 uh, that ends up being passed by on his station manager to the UPI he\u2013 uh, general network, and it ends up in the FBI and the CIA uh\u2013 and also we know of deputy directors on this magazine, a former deputy director of the CIA\u2019s on this magazine, and it said that the National Enquirer<\/em> that is doing this smear job on us. Ah, don\u2019t worry about that, we\u2019ll live through that. What do we mean by d\u00e9tente? That means peace between nations. Wake up, momma. Peace between nations. Better get this, uh, you get it right now, if you\u2019d listen. Damn it, I don\u2019t know why you don\u2019t get it. (Pause) What do you know about white market<\/a> activities in Guyana? We know that they\u2019re cracking down on them. Don\u2019t charge a penny too much to the people. Guyana cares about its people. One penny too much on soap, got a woman five hundred dollar fine. Very, very careful. When you slip into the country with money, and don\u2019t uh, declare it, they also got fines and uh, sentences. One came in with 350 dollars USA and didn\u2019t declare it, and she got fined three<\/em> times the amount of the foreign currency. That\u2019s a lot of money she had to pay for trying to bring in dollars. You try to take any money out<\/em>, for this country, you go to jail. And a socialist nation has to\u2013 has to do that. That\u2019s the way they keep their economy from being drained, from certain rich elements, taking the money out and putting it in foreign investments and weakening the e\u2013 economy, right?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: That\u2019s why they say we will use what we can build ourselves. We will be self-sufficient. We\u2013 And that\u2019s why we\u2019re trying to do that here in Georgetown, uh, (stumbles over words) in Jonestown, is to build our soap, make our own clothes, make our own bricks, do our own things, provide our own foods, because\u2013 remember what the Prime Minister said, too, that uh, there\u2019s an old mis\u2013 misconceptions (slurs over several words) been brainwashed by the white man, they think that they have to have canned sardines. What\u2019d he say tastes better than canned sardine?<\/p>\n

Several voices<\/strong>: Fresh snapper.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Fresh snapper. Right here, and we got plenty of it. What\u2019d he say tastes better and had more nutrition than\u2013 uh, what?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Split peas?<\/p>\n

Several voices<\/strong>: Black-eyed peas.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Black-eyed peas. What\u2019d he say had more nutrition, tastes better than an apple?<\/p>\n

Several voices<\/strong>: Mangoes.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Mangoes. He said, let\u2019s get down to build it. Norman was telling me about a lot of uh, peanuts that\u2019s going on in uh, heavy marketing, bringing it by bulk. He\u2019s gonna try to get some of us on the next route. They coming in by bulk<\/em> from uh, USA, they\u2019re doing it over here in Venezuela, and socialist cooperatives are setting up there. They\u2019re even moving towards cooperatives. We want to get those peanuts, and they\u2019re growing Oklahoma peanuts there. (Pause) I was gonna say, how many tons did you say you delivered over there, Norman? Where is Norman?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Three million pounds. He\u2013 So, you see what we gotta\u2013 We gotta get on with those peanuts. \u2018Cause that makes peanut butter, and they have no peanut butter here, and they have to buy it. All right? What new item now is pushed for greater production in Guyana.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Yeast. Charcoal. Charcoal. And Amondo\u2013 said he\u2019s doing an excellent job, too, Amondo Griffith. Young man without e\u2013 even a girlfriend. He\u2019s in there doing [a] good job, he\u2019s out in the meantime learning the charcoal industry and going from door-to-door procuring, and he\u2019s been uh, the excellent mix to\u2013 he\u2019s right up there with uh, our Bobby Stroud. And we\u2019re glad for that. We\u2019re proud of him.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: What new item is being pushed\u2013 Okay. What\u2013 Who is [Anastasio] Somoza? What did he recently say about conditions in his country?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: He will not resign till 1981. No matter how many people he has to eliminate, he will remain the dictator. He\u2019s been the dictator for 44 years, upheld by US capitalism. The Washington Post <\/em>recently repo\u2013 criticized President Carter. What for?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Sometimes we oughtn\u2019t have to have rewards. We give you hour, two hours, we\u2013 we got a lot of them built up, we\u2019ve got to now think about production. What\u2013 what\u2019d you say?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Playing up human rights and what did The Washington Post<\/em> say?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Wh\u2013 Odell [either Blackwell or Rhodes]?<\/p>\n

Odell<\/strong>: (too soft opening) \u2013in the past to it now.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Yes. And he said linking also, The Washington Post<\/em> said, was hypocritical and dangerous, bring about nuclear war, linking uh, all of this SALT talk, and that\u2019s what Dr. Ellsberg said today, he said, this is why it\u2019s doomed. Said Carter is not\u2013 not capable of administering. We hear this over and again. He said the idea that we would link the entire Strategic Arms Limitation Talks on two Soviet criminals [Alexander Ginzburg and Natan Sharansky] \u2013 they call them dissidents, but they\u2019ve been\u2013 been committed [convicted] of crimes of Zionist terror in\u2013 and this, this, uh, passing state secrets. He said the idea\u2013 he said we need to have every minute<\/em> burning \u2013 I didn\u2019t give you all of it \u2013 he said every minute of the clock, needs to be burning in the United Nations to find an agreement to stop<\/em> the production of nuclear war\u2013 weapons, to eliminate them from the earth. And not only to stop it now, but to eliminate them, dismantle them, and to stop the spread, because he said, it\u2019s too dangerous, it\u2019s out of control. Said\u2013 Why did he say this is the most dangerous country in the world? Why did Dr. Ellsberg\u2013 He\u2019s not a Marxist, either. Why did he say this is the most dangerous nation in the world?<\/p>\n

Male 2<\/strong>: (too soft beginning) \u2013several things that you brought out earlier this evening.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, I\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ll get off. He said Chile<\/em>. We overthrew a constitutionally-elected government and murdered those people in cold blood. And in what else? Indonesia? How many people did we kill, the CIA, our tax dollars that should cause us guilt? Two<\/em> million people to put in a fascist leader. He knows that because he was in Washington while it was done, and he said he\u2019ll never get over the guilt. And you see, guilt makes a person do right. Guilt caused him to come out in the public and air it, at least. He did his job, he tried to tell the world, nobody\u2019s listening. What is Israel trying to do about\u2013 bring about in Lebanon? Set up a\u2013 a\u2013 no, they\u2019re trying to keep their uh, conquered territory by setting up a false group of Christian fascists and calling them Lebanese. Christian militia. What two European countries are plagued with labor unrest?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Male<\/strong>: Great Britain and France.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: France and Great Britain and England and uh, (stumbles) yes, England, Great Britain, United Kingdom and Canada. And of course, USA and America. Is China aiding any African nations? Do you know one, and how much aid it is giving?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: How much is it giving to Tanzania?<\/p>\n

Several voices<\/strong>: Five million.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Huh?<\/p>\n

Several voices<\/strong>: Five million.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Five million dollars to Tanzania?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Ten<\/em> million dollars. Ten million dollars to Tanzania. How much is it giving to Zambia?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Ten million dollars. Both. Same place. Ten million dollars. What else is it doing for Zambia, who stood up against US exploitation, Zambia and Tanzania both<\/em> stood up against the uh\u2013 and demanded the liberation of Rhodesia and South Africa, to build a railway network. How many technicians does it have in uh, Zambia, that\u2019s gonna keep them there?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: 750. How\u2013 no, more than that. Was it seven thousand five hundred, wasn\u2019t it? Technicians, advisers? Anybody remember? Don\u2019t know, don\u2019t know. I knows it\u2019s seven-five-oh, or oh. Was it seven thousand five hundred, anybody remember statistics? We all remember different things. Ten thousand engineers. I know that. They\u2019re keeping them there. What is you say, Dr. [Laurence] Schacht]<\/p>\n

Schacht<\/strong>: (Too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Sixty thousand engineers. Right you were, but it\u2019s down, they still left 10,000 there. You\u2019re right, that\u2019s what they originally said, and in Mozambique, they\u2019re giving aid to\u2013 uh, they\u2019re giving\u2013 what was the aid, was the form of the aid? I\u2013 It wasn\u2019t spelled out, I don\u2019t recall. Look, uh\u2013 Listen to the Mozambique tape, be sure you go in tomorrow and listen to the Mozambique tape, and the Kore\u2013 uh, the Korean\u2013 North Korean, South Korean tape. And they\u2019re helping uh, other nations. Senegal. They\u2019re helping Guyana, they\u2019re helping Jamaica in the Caribbean, both socialist nations. Explain the Doctrine of Three Worlds<\/a>. I don\u2019t think I need to do that, do I? Do you all know it? How many know it?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: If you don\u2019t, you better ask your neighbor,\u2019 cause you\u2019ll be asked tomorrow. What Caribbean socialist nations is in trouble and why?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/strong>: Jamaica.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Jamaica, because the International Monetary Fund, they let them get hold on their banks and devalue their money, and who\u2019s come to the rescue again, showing that there is a better\u2013 a superiority of socialism? Soviet Union forgot their differences for a moment in China, the Soviet Union\u2019s giving them fisheries they need, a large loan, and then China\u2019s come in with a number of assistances to their program. What did China do particularly in Jamaica? Do you know?<\/p>\n

Quiet voices<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, think about it. (Pause) The Doctrine of Three Worlds, again, somebody back there\u2019s looking puzzled. The Doctrine of Three Worlds, the First World is the U\u2013 the Soviet Union and USS\u2013 and the USA. The Second World is the European capitalist nations, the Third World is China and the underdeveloped nations. They haven\u2019t been entirely consistent to it, but one thing that may have merit, it\u2019s based on the inevitability of what Dr. Ellsberg says, that nuclear war will happen, and they\u2019re probably trying to get the nuclear war over with before bombs spread to every nation in the southern hemisphere. While this is a zone of peace\u2013 You know that this is a zone of peace, don\u2019t you? Where\u2019s the other zone of peace? Indian Ocean. The Indian Ocean. So that there\u2019ll be survival, and China realizes that\u2013 (unintelligible word) maybe even they realize that socialism will inherit the world, be it Communist China and the Soviet Union, because China will\u2013 How many people in China will survive the\u2013 the nuclear war?<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: 700 million.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: 700 million. Out of a billion. They\u2019ll lose 300 million. How many people in USA will die in the first three minutes now of a nuclear war?<\/p>\n

Several voices<\/strong>: Nine of out ten.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Nine of out ten. No\u2013 Over 200 million. Nine out of ten people, if you were sitting here, would die. Nearly everyone would die here, because you lived in a city. And if you didn\u2019t, you\u2019d be like [Nikita] Khrushchev, you\u2019d li\u2013 the living would envy the dead. If you lived in Redwood Valley and had to wake up with radiation problems and the radiation disease coming across the hills, even if we did have the safety of our cave and then, uh, have to be around all those ho\u2013 well, you know what. (Coughs) Red necks. That\u2019s good, thank you. I won\u2019t\u2013 Everybody knows what a redneck is, don\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Why are people suing NBC concerning a recent television show? Born Innocent<\/em> showed how to rape a young\u2013 a Holly\u2013 a young woman was raped by seven teenagers, and a young woman, uh, just a few hours thereafter was raped in the same fashion. But it\u2019s not gonna get anywhere, because they\u2019re a big powerful\u2013 uh, they\u2019re the right arm of the fascist ruling class, and they\u2019re coming in with high-powered attorneys, but she\u2019s suing them for how many mo\u2013 how much money?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Eleven million. She ought to, her daughter\u2019s mentally unbalanced, and they think she\u2019ll remain mentally unbalanced the rest of her life. Who is the president of Tanzania?<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: Julius Nyerere.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Julius Nyeyere. He gave a brave speech at the United nations, indicting US imperialism. What is the United States trying to do with Mozambique? Like our enemies tried to provoke us with sending Norman in here and telling us that he was a spy. Hope we do something, \u2018cause they\u2019ve never been able to get us on a violent crime or to do something against his uh, freedom of travel or something. What were they trying to do?<\/p>\n

One voice<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Provoke an incident, so they\u2019d have some criminal action here, maybe, though we can handle anything in this government, but it would be a horrible thing there. Hmm? Evil people, aren\u2019t they? What\u2019s the USA trying to do to Mozambique? They\u2019re bombing them from\u2013 with our aid, the USA shamefully \u2013 you need to know that \u2013 lifted the ban against arms and giving aid, the Senate voted for it, and now the House of Representatives both voted for it, and gave emergency aid, even well before they passed it, which was illegal. US planes, even with some pilots, bombed Mozambique, 21 villages wiped out in two days alone, and there\u2019ve been more. And the Union of South Africa attacking them, with our tax dollars which should cause guilt, from Union of South Africa, the apartheid racist regime that has concentration camps, bombing them from one end to the other. They want them to strike back, as Mozambique\u2019s a brave Marxist country, has socialized all of its medicine in three years<\/em>, only three years old. It was in bush, primitive, uh, a colonial nation. Three years, they\u2019ve done that. And they\u2019ve been known to fight back. They been defending the Zimbabweans, they defended the Zambians, they defended SWAPO, and they want them just across their border. And uh, Radio Moscow says it, and Radio Sweden. So that if they do, then USA will go through her hypocritical posturing and say, we\u2019ve got to send NATO in to protect the people. To protect the people, yes. To protect, what does the USA say\u2013 Moscow says and Sweden says they have to have? The cobalt and the chrome. US economy will fold. That\u2019s why uh, Yugoslavia said what? And several other non-aligned nations? World War III has already begun. Too much trouble, in the Near East, between the b\u2013 Israelis and the Arabs, the Iraqis again were set up today, you heard that, didn\u2019t you. I wish these god\u2013 (pause) blessed cats, we\u2013 operate on one of them, there\u2019re two toms a-fightin\u2019. Yeah, (unintelligible phrase) tom, I\u2013 I think that black tom. Well, get him, and take him, and we\u2019ll uh, fix him.<\/p>\n

Cats yowling, chatter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Pick up that god-blessed cat. Stop this nonsense. That poor\u2013 Let the\u2013 let the one fuck that is always getting beat up. The capitalist one gets his fucker uh, operation tomorrow.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: He\u2019s all\u2013 The only thing that fights here, and I don\u2019t like fighting. Do you?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: No.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I think the nice cat that\u2019s always running away should get the right to fuck, and the mean one should get his\u2013 get his balls tampered with.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And how many vote for that? Yea\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Yea.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: All right. All right. So if you fight, friend, if you fight, better use your balls peacefully. Look out.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: What the hell are you<\/em> doing? You onery son of a\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Does she got balls?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Yeah, I\u2019d say that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s\u2013 Uh, who\u2019s the tom picks on.<\/p>\n

One voice<\/strong>: The black one.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: The black one does it. He picks on all of them. Where is the sucker?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, I want him caught now. I\u2019m tired of it. He picks on every other tom. He gets the\u2013 uh\u2013\u00a0Huh? Well, it\u2019s awful what he does to them, he just grabs them all, all of them.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, he\u2019s the\u2013 he\u2019s the gentle one.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: He\u2019s very upset, is he\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Okay. See that black cat, now\u2013 Let\u2019s catch that black cat. That black and white cat. Get him\u2013 uh, you got him? You got him? Let me see that onery sucker. Bring him up here, I\u2019m gonna put him on Public Services.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Laughter. Chatter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Be sure you get the right cat. We want justice done, even for cats. Are you the onery thing that does it? Yes. Hold him up before the people.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Chatter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Now, get him put someplace right now, so that fella\u2013 we\u2019re gonna have to operate him, \u2018cause he\u2019s attacking\u2013 he attacked a black one yesterday, he\u2019s attacking uh, a mixed nigger cat today, and uh\u2013 you onery. Just \u2018cause you\u2019re blacker\u2019n every one of us, you don\u2019t need to be thinking you\u2019re going to be able to go around tearing up everything, right?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: It won\u2019t hurt him. He\u2019ll get\u2013 he\u2019ll get fat and eat and lay in the sun.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Chatter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Who is it? Nancy said, my God, this is my cat, what are you doing to him? (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Light laughter. Chatter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Nothing. It won\u2019t hurt him at all. He won\u2019t be so competitive, and he\u2019ll relax. He\u2019ll overcome his sexual problem. What in the hell were we talking about?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Light laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Shift. Shift. (Pause) If all of them people who\u2019re leaving in the morning to unload the shell boat. Phil Blakey, Carl Barnett, Wesley Breidenbach, Burrell Wilson, Ezekiel Wilson, Walter Williams, Paul McCann, uh, J\u00ad\u2013 Cornelius Truss, Kenny Reed, Ron Talley, Cleve [Cleveland] Newell, Mark Cordell, John Gardener, Karl Newell, Al Touchette acceptable. Okay. Now you may be seated.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: The Iraqis. What happened to them today? Something important. They\u2019ve been doing \u2018em\u2013 setting \u2018em up all over, because they\u2019re trying to get the Arab League to build their own weapons, refine their own oil, and quit depending on the USA and get off the do\u2013 the dollar standard and onto the gold standard. If that happens in USA, we won\u2019t have to worry about her botherin\u2019 anybody anymore, \u2018cause she\u2019ll fall. The Iraqis are also nationalist, but they\u2019re allies of the Soviet Union in their\u2013 in the military alliance. What was it? Somebody got s\u2013 uh,\u00a0they shot some more Iraqis todays.<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: No, that was Iran. The Chicago police are linked with SAVAK\u2013 SAVAK, S-A-V-A-K, the secret police that set up the former deputy, uh, the director of CIA is now the head of it, it\u2019s one of the most cruel secret polices in the world, the Shah of Iran is the oil rich millionaire\u2013 billionaire<\/em>, billionaire, many times, owns many airplanes, private jets, many wives and many limousines, Rolls-Royces, so forth, he\u2019s the one, according to the fall, the collapse of 17\u2013 1870\u2013 no, 1780 uh, oh, shit. 1979, we have the book over there in the library, don\u2019t we? [The Crash of 1979<\/em>, by Paul Erdman]<\/p>\n

Female<\/strong>: too soft<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You\u2019re reading it. Okay, well, it\u2019s over\u2013 it\u2019s in the library. W\u2013 It\u2019s an excellent book written by a banker, that the Shah of Iran, finally because of the lust for power and money, will bring a war, a nuclear conflict, but he wants to own all the world. He and the Saud of Arabia [Muhammad bin Abdulaziz] is the richest, and uh, they will bring the reactionary act, the horrible act of nuclear hell. So, they\u2013\u00ad they\u2013 they were\u2013 they were bombed by\u2013 with the cooperation and beat up, with the Chicago police working for SAVAK. Working for a foreign intelligence agency. How did they\u00ad\u2013 how did they get by with that? Well, how do we know it? Because the man said that\u2019s who paid him. About the cherry bomb. Remember? The one that dropped the cherry bomb got his pay through the Chicago policeman. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Hundred bucks, that\u2019s right, a hundred bucks. Thank you. What was resolved\u2013 decided\u2013 uh, no, what\u2013 Who is the president of Tanzania? Nyerere. Brave man. He addressed the United Nations, and so it shows that China is moving away from its nationalism to internationalism, by giving him support, he indicted USA. What did he say of importance? The recent OAU [Organization of African Unity] conference in Khartoum, Sudan\u2013 What did the OAU conference decide? You know what that was. Cuba\u2019s right to how\u2013 help any nation, some of the Belgrade conference, the Belgrade conference, Yugoslavia, non-aligned nations, said that\u2013 that\u2013 that Cuba uh, would not be expelled, and in fact, the next<\/em> non-aligned nation historically will meet of the 100 nations in Cuba. That\u2019s a breakthrough, my friend. What\u2019s happening in Havana? A great youth festival of over 20,000 now, of 140 nations. All of the\u2013 most of the nations of the world have got delegations there, and they\u2019ve condemned the policies of US in Africa, the use of weather modification by the CIA. What\u2019s weather fa\u2013 modification? You better know it.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: They\u2019re messin\u2019 with weather. Cloud seeding. Other things. Uh, cause earthquakes tremors, uh, tidal waves, and breaking of the ozone. But they haven\u2019t sophisticated that yet. Why is astrology an opiate of the people? Because any religion that says this is\u2013 has to happen or fatalism that the stars is going to determine your events, that is contrary to Marxist-Leninist principle. The dialectic says man<\/em> in\u2013 determines his destiny. Nothing\u2019s fixed. Nothing\u2019s an absolute. Right?<\/p>\n

Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You believe that?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You better, or you\u2019re not a good socialist. And all religions say, that the Lord\u2013 Wasn\u2019t\u2013 When Nell Smart was saying, she was saying, look at all this. Even with Proposition 13\u2013 Wake up<\/em>! Proposition 13, they said over the TV and the radio, that uh, first to go are going to be the minorities and the women. So what do you think about this? When the empty stores and people who\u2013 Nena Downs told us about it coming in, Jessie [three in Jonestown, likely Jessie Jones], the empty stores, the shelves are empty, what is this? And the black folks say, (sarcastic voice) it\u2019s the will of the Lord. It\u2019s testing. The Lord is testing us. But after a while, when we get through, (cries out) hey<\/em>, go over to Jesus, we\u2019re gonna have a mansion over the hilltop. And it\u2019ll be a white man tellin\u2019 you what to do.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Moderates) You ain\u2019t gone get no mansion, they\u00ad\u2013 the other folks said it, there\u2019ll be a cabin. There\u2019ll be a cabin, if he\u2013 if there was one, if there was a heaven, you\u2019d be in a cabin, and there\u2019d be a plantation owner, and he\u2019d be white.<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: (too soft, speaking about environmental determinism)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (cries out) This is our<\/em> earth. We<\/em>. Minority people, Third World people, we will make this our heaven, this is our<\/em> earth.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Ain\u2019t waiting for no heaven in the sky. What\u2019d you say about environmental determinism?<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Yes, they\u2019re using environmental determinism to what?<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: Parallel the dialectic.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Paralack\u2013 Parallel the dialectic. Okay, now you can uh, listen to this tape and you have it down, plus the tape on the\u2013 uh, the uh, s\u2013 the position of the Guyana on socialism in support for reunification of Korea and what the USA has done there, and then you want to listen to the documentary on Korea and Mozambique. You got me? You listen to this tape, you\u2019ll have it all. And that\u2019s all the tape you\u2019ll have to listen to. Listen to this tape, you won\u2019t have to go back and listen to the last uh, Tuesday night\u2019s tape, you listen to this<\/em> tape. And you\u2019ll have it and ask some questions. All right?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: What happened in the recent meeting of the Ku Klux Klan in California? Ku Klux Klan uh, were not arrested and all the people\u2013 the peaceful that protested, what town have the Ku Klux Klan taken over? Oxnard. Now every major city has a Ku Klux Klan chapter and a Nazi chapter. Here\u2019s a headline tonight. A young Nazi\u2019s fate, a teenage admirer of Adolf Hitler, killed a fellow high school student, and he will be kept at juvenile home while authorities decide where he will be placed for rehabilitation. I\u2019m sure if that was a black young man, there would not be\u2013<\/p>\n

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Jones<\/strong>: Dr. Ellsberg, you ought to have that, that\u2019s on the blackboard too, if you listen. That\u2019s what I ha\u2013 gave you tonight. So that\u2019ll be\u2013 That\u2019s all you\u2019ll have. Now. What happened to the Ku Klux Klan? Yes, (unintelligible word). They\u2013 Several of the protestors were arrested, none of the Ku Klux Klan. What happened to a young boy today? Pina? It\u2019s on the blackboard. Read it tonight when you leave, or in the morning. It\u2019ll be there still in the morning. Don\u2019t erase it for the first uh, two, three hours. Like, can that be arranged? (Pause) Young boys are being put out in the heat wave, 99 degrees, die of cardiac failure at 17 years of age, this boy was beaten and brutalized, and there\u2019ve been 70 other such cases at the\u2013 at the military base in North Carolina, and several in the San Diego. They call it uh, motivation training. Motivation to be brutal. Motivation. Terror. Sadism. They find him hiding, where? In an abandoned what? What?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Abandoned guest hall. Scared to death. Emaciated. Looked like he\u2019d been through a concentration camp. And remember that uh, documentary on youth crime, the congressman (unintelligible name) called for concentration camps<\/a>. Work camps, he calls it. That\u2019s what Hitler called \u2018em, work camps. Do you know some recent statements made by Guyana\u2019s leaders about events around the world? Do you know some events in Guyana and show that the country is moving towards more socialism and self-sufficiency? Listen to the tape, that tape on Guyana and its policy papers about imperialism, and you\u2019ll have that. Okay? According to Ellsberg, what did the President Nixon do in 1969 to end the Vietnam War? Threaten the use of atomic bombs. Who\u2013 what was Ellsberg said uh, were the dangers of 30 years of nuclear testing? Well, uh, and not only that. Not only that. (Chuckles) Testing, but radiation leaks. He said all kinds of diseases. He said there\u2019ll be epidemics that people will not know. He said, perhaps the Legionnaire\u2019s disease and things like this are just one of those unknowns that\u2019re breaking out. Who is the leader of North Korea? Kim Il Sung. How is he regarded? He\u2019s looked upon as a god. A God which is necessary, people worship, people have to look up to personality, there oughta be more respect here. When Mother [Marceline Jones] walks in, Dad walks in, I don\u2019t want it, I hate it, \u2018cause leadership is pain. I haven\u2019t had a happy personal thought for I don\u2019t know how long. I\u2019m in a prison here, I\u2019m in a prison, I\u2019d like to\u2019ve died in a jail cell over nothing but a protest, because that\u2019s what I want to do, but that\u2019d been uns\u2013 that\u2019d been selfish, because I owed it to the children. I know some of you don\u2019t think you got any service. Wake up over there, young woman, and look around here. This\u2013 this is where the happening is. (Pause) But there has to be respect for leaders that DFP, somebody that dictates the will of the people. Who are the people? The working class, proletariat. Who are the oppressor? Bourgeoisie. Who is the petit bourgeoisie?<\/p>\n

Scattered voices<\/strong>: The middle class.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: The middle class. The small businessmen that\u2019re not waking up to the fact of who they are. The doctors and so forth. The damn parasite lawyer. I think I\u2019ve just about (unintelligible word)\u00ad Who, uh, who is the leader of North Korea? I got that. Okay. Wha\u2013 Life in Georgetown will be more comfortable thanks to a contribution of\u2013 from the Chinese. What is it? Hmm?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: New turbine generators. So there\u2019ll be no more white-outs, uh, no more electrical failure. Who was it escaped from Italian jails? Red Brigade. They\u2019re something else. When they bring about a socialist prime minister in Italy. Italy is moving left, and not right, contrary to some who would\u2019ve called it a terrorist act. Marxists have to determine what is the difference between terrorism and armed struggle. Hmm? The bombing that occurred on Wall Street, was that an act of terror that injured and killed so many, 140 or 150?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Financials, yes. Because it was senseless. It only turns the people against uh, the revolution. It wasn\u2019t against an institution, it didn\u2019t have meaning. But when you kidnap a prime minister who is a lackey of US capitalism, and demand that he\u2013 or that you\u2019ll free him in ransom for just so many people, political prisoners being released, and they don\u2019t do it\u2013 do it, you s\u2013 get a moral lesson across, that capitalists won\u2019t take care of their own<\/em>. They won\u2019t even\u2013 you can\u2013 Remember that millionaire, uh, Paul Get\u2013 J. Paul Getty, his own grandson [J. Paul Getty III] was kidnapped, they cut his ears off and he wouldn\u2019t pay \u2018em a dime<\/em>. That shows something. The whole world sees that capitalists don\u2019t care about their own. Aldo Moro was the biggest lackey of US imperialism, but the USA said don\u2019t give a dime. The Italian government wanted to do it, they even\u2013 the Social Democrats, they turned his own wife [Eleonora Chiavarelli] into a Marxist. (Pause) Said it was a revolutionary act, wasn\u2019t it. Unfortunately that he was executed. (Pause) Very well, they would not have it so easy, but at least uh, there\u2019s some been\u2013 I mean, there\u2019s a lot of pressure, but they seem to know how to get out of jail. I never saw anything like them folk. (Pause) How does the Canadian co\u2013 economy compare with that of the United States? Hmm? (Pause) It\u2019s worse, \u2018cause the dollar is the only place in the world that has more value. It\u2019s worse. It\u2019s having more of an economic problem. So how much of the wealth is owned by the USA? Please don\u2019t have talking when I\u2019m giving you the news. That\u2019s unfair and unjust. My voice is like a sore all the time, I think you forget that. I don\u2019t like to talk. Seventy percent of the economy is owned by USA. At least that. Where am I at? Why is the US holding a 24 million dollar loan to Chile? Because they want to look like they\u2019re window dressing. Chile has got three high governmental officials, they were in DINA, and now they\u2019ve conveniently changed the name of DINA, the secret police, to some other name. Does anybody know what it is? (Pause) Find out. I\u2019ll leave that mystery. You find that out, and maybe Teresa\u2019ll [Teresa King] put that on the blackboard. And the fact is that General [Augusto] Pinochet, the head of the Chilean military junta himself did this thing. But USA\u2019s acting like they care, and what did they do? They uh, called for three murderers to be sent back. Three little lackeys\u2013 and they\u2019ll be sacrificed, they\u2019re governmental officials, Chile will finally sacrifice them, because capitalists don\u2019t look after their own. And then USA can say, we care about [Orlando] Letelier, their foreign minister of the\u2013 of the socialist government of Dr. [Salvador] Allende, being eliminated, bon\u2013 blown up, right on the Washington Embassy Row. In a car. Remember? With a US representative. They don\u2019t care who they kill. What other terrible thing shows that USA just posturing when it talks about uh, getting to the bottom of bribes and payola? Uh, [Eugene] Chaikin?<\/p>\n

Chaikin<\/strong>: (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: No, no, say\u2013 I\u2019ll move on. I wasn\u2019t making myself clear. I\u2019m talking about the Korean scandals, the KCIA, using Rev. Sun [Myung] Moon to pay off congressmen and the senators, [Leon] Jaworski, a moderate, he not a flaming liberal, he said, I resign, it\u2019s all window dressing, I refuse to be used<\/em>, it\u2019s just a play. Said they\u2019re not going to prosecute these senators. How many senators did he find had been involved in accepting bribes?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Scattered voices.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Thirty some. Congressmen equally, I don\u2019t know how many of them, but what do they do? A black Senator [Edward Brooke] who was just black, done nothing but lied to his wife [Remigia Ferrari-Scacco] in a domestic court, they bring him before the Senate Ethics Committee because they want to get rid of one black. Anybody can\u2019t see that there\u2019s black genocide in USA is blind<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Black Senator Edward Brookes [Brooke] and he looks whiter than me. And the head of the Subcommittee on African Affairs in Congres\u2013 wake up, Rich Janaro, and listen very closely and get it all down, \u2018cause I expect an excellent plus from you. Okay. What did they do? Congressman [Charles] Diggs, the uh, chairman of that committee, faces 175 years for misusing his own money. How in the hell do you do that? Not<\/em> taking any bribes, not<\/em> taking any payola, blacks going down, Atlanta, Georgia, says I\u2019m being destroyed, the mayor, Maynard Jackson, I\u2019m being destroyed by the Atlanta Journal<\/em>, they always use the press first to destroy them. How many more can you think of?<\/p>\n

Male 3<\/strong>: Dymally.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I\u2019ll give you a bul\u2013 I\u2019ll give you an article. Ebony<\/em> just come out with all the black leaders. They\u2019re all gettin\u2019 it. Every blessed one of them, all getting it, because genocide is already begun. Dymally again, yes, he\u2019s gonna get it with us, they want to\u2013 Chisholm\u2013 Shirley Mae Chisholm, she\u2019s not gonna\u2013 she\u2019s not gonna be able to run. And\u2013 and Jordan. What was the first name? Barbara Jordan. She was so articulate, being the Aunt Jane, introducing President Carter, she thought she\u2019d have no trouble, she\u2019s being smeared so badly, and they intimidated, that she is afraid to run for office this year. She\u2019s resigning.<\/p>\n

Male 3<\/strong>: Yvonne\u2013 Yvonne Burke and (unintelligible name)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Yvonne Burke, yes. Okay, there\u2013 Well, there whole number of them. (Pause) Okay, what (draws out pause word) uh\u2013 How is US supporting the white Rhodesian government economically? By the way, what they didn\u2019t tell you, that Chile already got 250 million dollars aid. It\u2019s just 24 million dollars that uh, they\u2019re holding up. It\u2019s always just hypo\u2013 hypocrisy. Chile couldn\u2019t even be in power without USA backing. Trickeration, yes, thank you. How is US supporting the white Rhodesian government economically? Lifted the ban. Congress and the Senate. And they were doing it secretly anyway, through the CIA. What statement did Dad read from Carol\u2013 Carolyn Kirkendall, that gave him great encouragement? Why? You find that out. They\u2019ll put it on the board tomorrow. Dick Tropp. I\u2019d like that put on the board tomorrow. Can you go back and get that, Teresa? He can recreate it. So we can look at our guilt and know ourselves. Lot of people didn\u2019t look at themselves. I only got three papers after Ca\u2013 Carolyn Kirkendall. What did she get? Her se\u2013 Her\u2013 Her\u2013 Her friend gave her just 15 minutes, wanted to cover kindly for her, people do that, but it\u2019s elitism, so we gotta stomp it out everywhere, right?<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And I hope every\u2013 everybody has uh\u2013 is concerned to stomp it out as they\u2013 as she was. As comrades. Oh yes? Huh?<\/p>\n

One voice<\/strong>: too soft<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You can put it on your test paper. You may, you may, you may. It\u2019s gotta be on the test paper. You can put it right on your test paper. Everybody should<\/em> put it on your test paper. I think that should be a requirement. Thank you, my son. Put it on your test paper. What do you feel guilty about? What did Dad just say, what is\u2013 did Dad like leadership? Why we have to have a strong leader, the DFP, to dictate the will of the proletariat. What did Carolyn Kirkendall say? She had to report that she was getting what she considered favoritism, and how she had uh\u2013 What other things? Do you remember? What\u2019d Dick Tropp say? Intellectualism, he took comfort in intellectualism, and always putting himselves above the\u2013 the working class, then in some was finding excuse for his uh, anarchy, and he said, people like him should be shot at the end. By the way, the one who I appreciated very much, got a lot of helpful poin\u2013 pointers out of it, uh, Pauline Groot. But there\u2019s one thing you\u2019ll want to know of Pauline. You gave me a lot of uh, important things, important things, but never think Dad\u2019s na\u00efve. Never think he\u2019s na\u00efve. She said he was na\u00efve on a number of points. I\u2019m not na\u00efve. I know exactly what things are. I\u2019m just trying to still break through the barrier. You understand? To break through the barrier, by saying (breathy word) why could somebody do this? I understand perfectly well. Unless somebody is a communist, they cannot understand me. (Voice rises throughout) And if they\u2019re not willing to give of themselves, I represent such a threat to them that they would kill<\/em> me in a minute. People are subjective, too. Some little thing that happens to them, uh, in this organization, they blame it on me. Something imposed upon their will, that\u2019s why security should watch me, \u2018cause I\u2019d love to be able to pass through the great unknown. Because people here, the worst thing could happen to this great revolution that even Marcus Garvey couldn\u2019t bring about, the first people that ever left the United States successfully in protest<\/em>, the worst thing that could happen is that the leader be killed by somebody here. And there\u2019s enough hate here to do it. Oh, yes, there are. \u2018Cause people caught up in the memory of what one wrong. They never remember the times I got people out of jail, even some of their own loved ones, even themselves, they never remember the times I risked going to jail myself, what, for their own damn foolishness, I was willing to die in jail, be tortured, whatever for them, they don\u2019t remember that. But one goddamn little thing that may be a mistake, (voice drops) they remember that.<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And sometimes it\u2019s not a mistake. They don\u2019t see the trees for the forest. Hmm? \u2018Cause you remember that too. I\u2019m gonna expect you to recreate that, so you listen to that closely. Think I\u2019m about through. Shift again. What recent events have taken place in Iran? Well, I told you that. What has NAACP President Benjamin Hooks said about trends in the USA? Terrible. That\u2019s on the board. Go over and read it. Teresa\u2019s got it. Has Carter maintained\u2013 it\u2019s on the blackboard in the school\u2013 what has\u2013 has Mar\u2013 Carter maintained his high level of popular\u2013 popularity, can you explain how the New York Post<\/em> under that white racist, what\u2019s-his-name, uh, magnate, he\u2019s only buying up newspapers and TV, Rupert Murdoch, uh, the evil man. He attacked his daughter. His gran\u2013 uh, his grandmother. His wife. He attacked his cousin, Hugh. He attacked his closest aides. Did you hear that today? Be seated. It was terrible. Attacked his little girl as being uh, uh\u2013 sick, wi\u2013 reading comic books while state officials were there? I kinda admire that. (Pause) Goddamn state officials. (Pause) Minute later, his uh, dau\u2013 his brother\u2019s [Billy Carter] made a buck off of his opp\u2013 opportunism, being a brother of the\u2013 the president. What\u2019s that got to do with uh, a president\u2019s success or failure? I think Carter\u2019s problem is that he\u2019s a religious man, he believes in God, he\u2013 that\u2019s an opiate, so he cannot realize the dangers of the human potential. Neither, in view of the selective assassinations of Kennedys [John and Robert] and Malcolm [X] and Martin [Luther King], that at some point, he\u2019s probably going to back off because he\u2019s afraid they\u2019ll blow his brains out. He already has. He\u2019s schizophrenic, he says, I\u2019ll stand by him\u2013 by Andrew Young, yet he says I don\u2019t know what I\u2019m going to do with Andrew Young. Remember what Andrew Young did? Said there\u2019re thousands of political prisoners in USA. He\u2019s the black ambassador. He has been told not to speak at all now by the wo\u2013 by Carter unless it is cleared by Carter. He must not issue one word. Now, if he had a man\u2013 if he\u2019s a man of character, he\u2019d resign, wouldn\u2019t he?<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Jaworski, rather than be a puppet, resigned. That lawyer, who was supposed to be uh, investigating the Korean scandals of bribes to white congressmen and senators. Compare\u2013 no, (mumbles to self)\u2013 Do you remember what Dr. [Fidel] Castro recently said about President Carter? And they\u2019re using it to go after Carter. He said he\u2019d prefer that President Carter be the\u2013 re-elected because even what\u2019s next will be worse. And the Car\u2013 And Castro shouldna said it. (Pause) Everybody makes a mistake. Great man, but he made a mistake. Because that\u2019ll be sure that they\u2013 they\u2019re gonna get Carter. Hmm? Don\u2019t you think? Maybe you have another point of view. You say maybe you see somebody better? Who? Ronald Reagan is gaining pop\u2013 popularity, they think he\u2019ll be the next candidate. And Castro goes on to say that Reagan is a uh, a\u2013 a moral opportunitist\u2013 opportunist, he\u2019s a degenerate, he is\u2013 he will bring nuclear war, he was uh, uh, involved in some of the decision-making that uh, suggested nuclear war, uh, the panel that met with Nixon in to use nuclear bombs in Vietnam. Castro shouldna made that. He better keep his mouth shut about USA, \u2018cause it\u2019s going rightwing fascist every day. Compare the pre\u2013 preparation\u2013 And Dr. Castros\u2019 a great man, you that are new need to hear his interview. Brilliant<\/em> man. With Walter\u2013 Barbara Walters. Compare the preparations that US has made for its citizens in the event of nuclear war. What has been done in the USSR and China? If you know about\u2013 we ought to feel honored the National Enquirer\u2019s<\/em> attacking us. By the way, it has an article this week attacking a man\u2013 attacking Fidel Castro\u2019s calling him a torturer who came in and beat people in the night and uh, uh, whipped them and be\u2013 killed them and put them in boxes. Doesn\u2019t that sound familiar? Huh?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Said that 27 were killed one night, I was a prisoner in Car\u2013 Castro\u2019s Cuba for 14 years. (Calls out) What it doesn\u2019t bother to say was that he was the head of the CIA there, and they let him go for two years till he started meddling some more. And they put him back in jail. But it makes it sound like a torture chamber. So, look out, baby, we\u2019re gonna have a new blast. And there gonna be some folk with us. (Pause) A young man who thought he\u2019d made it by playing both sides against the middle, that has a television show. Oooo. I sure imagine they\u2019ll be uh, che\u2013 checking\u2013 they check out every voice. What has been revealed about prevention of heart disease, cancer, and strokes. Hmm? The harder you work, and I don\u2019t mean just as sports and bowling and just ordinary sports of uh, uh, the\u2013 the simple sports that\u2013 name some other. You gotta swim hard, you gotta strenuously run, you gotta work hard every day, and you sweat out the impurities, it\u2019ll save you from cancer, heart disease, strokes, blindness, and everything else. A lot of you folk avoid work, boy I wish\u2013 God, I\u2019ve never felt so good as I did Sunday unloading that uh\u2013 that wagonload of wood. You don\u2019t know what you\u2019re missing. Your stomach, you don\u2019t realize how tight it is, you don\u2019t know how your joints are, you don\u2019t know the pressure rings around your head, you oughta try it. Some of you don\u2019t know how to do it. Well, try it. You\u2019ll see, you\u2019ll see. Won\u2019t you. How many enjoy hard work, it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2013 you\u2013 you\u2013 you don\u2019t worry as much, it\u2019ll lift the depression off your mind. Goddammit, it\u2019ll do it. Your sadness and pain, that you feel for the world and our people back there, you got to have a moment of relief, I wish some people\u2019d let me have it. (Pause) What centuries\u2013 What countries are attacking Mozambique? I told you. What has the Pentagon US military wasted 477 million dollars of the taxpayers\u2019 money this year. Where? How? Hmm? Well, that\u2019s just one loan alone. Union of South Africa, the dread apartheid regime where black people have to be in by sundown, and receive one-twentieth of the wage, and live in concentration camps outside of the village, you\u2019re not allowed to walk on the sidewalks, not allowed to go to the theaters or the shows, not even allowed to drink ordinary beer. They have a form of liquor that\u2019s called uh, rat gut, mostly alcohol that burns holes in their stomach, and they die before their time. It\u2019s a process of genocide, to eliminate them early in life. They\u2019re not even able to get meats, they don\u2019t have enough money. According to some psychiatrists, US public is losing respect for President Carter. What are the reasons for saying this? I told you. I told you, didn\u2019t I? Now you have all<\/em> the questions, though be ready for it. Now, shift. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: That\u2019s not too much to listen to tomorrow, is it?<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/strong>: No.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And to go back and listen to North Korea, South Korea, and uh, the tape about Guyana, the tape about Guyana and its position on world imperialism. It gives various names of the leaders of Guyana and what they have to say about imperialism. (unintelligible sentence) (Pause) Okay, now, you may be seated. Where are\u2013 and what the agenda of problems?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I want to deal with everything. I don\u2019t believe in hiding anything under a bushel.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Danielle Mitchell [Gardfrey] was talking to Youlanda Smith and she said if she had the chance to go back to the United States, she would, and if she had the chance, she would uh, go to live in Texas. Anthony Hicks and Tracy (unintelligible name) [Tracy Stone] report this and say Youlanda tried to cover for her.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: Okay everybody that\u2019s a witness to this, come up, come up, (unintelligible word) everybody on the floor is the jury (unintelligible word) now\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I\u2013 I could told this, because I always look at your face, you never smiled at me, never once. Your dad [Guy Mitchell] is one of the friendliest, your mother [Beverly Mitchell] have cheered my heart, but you never smile, you never speak, you wa\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman 2<\/strong>: (unintelligible word) off your face.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Cries out) Get that off your face, because you\u2019re no better than anybody else here. Even though your dad is a supervisor of the highest rank, we have no elitism, so you better get yourself together. You who have heard nothing apparently and want to go back to racist Texas. Have you heard of the flash floods that killed today nine, washing out people, even washed out tonight in the last moment of news, washed out President [Lyndon] Johnson\u2019s grave. (Pause) That\u2019s how much flood waters. Not to mention the damn racism, the Ku Klux Klan controls the Houston police and the sheriff\u2019s department, has done it for years.<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: You better stop\u2013 you better stop frowning up.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You better learn to smile, \u2018cause you got the most unhappy, nasty looking face, and you\u2019re a beautiful woman. There isn\u2019t no sense in this. I never once\u2013 never<\/em> once have had you smile. I\u2019ve never seen you smile. (Pause) You tell us why you want to go to Texas? While all of our black people are suffering, the jails are crowded, and 163 or 173 people calling from the jails into Dr. [John V] Moore, the Methodist white superintendent, middle class, that was here, he said, help them if he can, he\u2019d even give money to help a man, crow\u2013 trow\u2013 uh, crowd into a cell that was meant for one, 17 there, or I don\u2019t remember the exact figure, I think it was 17 in the\u2013 crowded into the one jail cell. Black man. Tell me why. A lot of whites<\/em> are wantin\u2019 to come, too.<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: Um\u2013 (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Said there\u2019s such a housing sh\u2013 She said on the uh, radiophone, that Dr. Moore said there\u2019s such a housing shortage in Reno, Nevada, that great sports center and the brilliant lights of Reno, that people are having to live in their cars. White<\/em> people. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: Um. Uh, I didn\u2019t say that uh, that I wanted to go back to Texas. What uh, me and Youlanda was down there talking\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Where is Youlanda?<\/p>\n

Youlanda<\/strong>: Right over there. Okay. Uh, Danielle sa\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: Okay, wait, hold it hold it hold it. (unintelligible word.)<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: Okay, uh, uh, me and Youlanda was down there talking, and then so uh\u2013 and then so uh, and then so I said that it wasn\u2019t nothing gonna happen ba\u2013 back in the States or nothing like that, uh\u2013 uh\u2013 uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: No?<\/p>\n

Woman<\/strong> 3<\/strong>: Go ahead. Talk to Dad. Talk to Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Uh, she said she wanted to go what? I didn\u2019t hear it. I missed it, because somebody asked me a question.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: I didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: (unintelligible beginning) take the mush out of your mouth and say just what you said. What did you say?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: Dad\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I\u2019m not indicting you. Uh, everybody\u2019s innocent until proven guilty, but do you admit that you are unfriendly person?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Why do you not speak to me? I\u2019d give my life to you. You don\u2019t do it. You can walk right by with anybody, your mother\u2019ll speak brilliant, brill\u2013 beautiful smile, one of the most beautiful radiant smiles, uh, not you.<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: (unintelligible word) why don\u2019t you speak?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: I don\u2019t have a reason.<\/p>\n

Male 4<\/strong>: (unintelligible word) grateful?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: Yes.<\/p>\n

Male 5<\/strong>: Don\u2019t you like being here?<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, whether you like being here or not, can\u2019t you be kind? Do you think you\u2019re better than the rest of us?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: One of the reasons that you don\u2019t speak, probably, is because this is your way of saying, I want your attention, Dad. I\u2019m pouting. (Pause) People that don\u2019t go around speaking to other people are really saying, I want your attention.<\/p>\n

Male 6<\/strong>: That goes for peo\u2013 people that walk around with long faces all the time, uh, uh, manipulating, is all\u2013 is all you\u2019re doing. You\u2019re manipulating some attention\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: We haven\u2019t had\u2013 we haven\u2019t had any of this, wanting to go back to USA. We haven\u2019t had much of this. I can\u2019t uh\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2013 it\u2013 it floors me, I talk\u2013 I talk to (unintelligible word), and who\u2019s a great brilliant white scientist, and military genius, economist, computer RAND specialist, and he says he cries under a tree that all of beautiful America\u2019s gonna become a wasteland, a desert, there\u2019ll be nothing left standing, \u2018cause atomic war is about to happen. What the hell do you think it\u2019s uh, gone do, it\u2019s gonna miss Texas?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: No. No, I didn\u2019t even say uh, that I wanted to go back.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, what did you say? Where are the witnesses here? I don\u2019t want to be taken up with unnecessary time.<\/p>\n

Youlanda<\/strong>: Okay, uh, Danielle said\u2013 we was out talking and so then Danielle said, well, uh, if she\u2013 she\u2013 if she went back, she gonna take (unintelligible word) uh, they still get you (unintelligible word), so then\u2013 then Danielle\u2013 then Anthony say, y\u2019all bet\u2013 y\u2019all better shut up, and so then, the next day, Danielle went\u2013 Okay, we had got in an argument with Danielle. Anthony kept saying, I don\u2019t know the words, but\u2013 but I was covering her ass, \u2018cause I shoulda reported it too.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (unintelligible word) each other. \u2018Cause of\u2013 they\u2013 they had somebody foolish enough to think they can get back to USA, and try to go through the jungle, like somebody just got lost, not trying to go to USA, for 25 hours, they coulda died, a tiger eaten \u2018em up, a tiger passed them, uh, brushed against them, we had 25 hours of nightmare. You people\u2013 I\u2013 I wouldn\u2019t think you\u2019d like to have us settin\u2019 here, going through that anxiety and pain and worry and fear. And that\u2013 and that person was no way trying to go to the United States.<\/p>\n

Woman 3<\/strong>: Why would she try to cover Danielle? (Pause) Did you say something you think that\u2013 you thought that uh, she might tell on you? I mean, did you encourage her?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: No. I\u2013 I didn\u2019t say nothing about going back to the States.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, tell me why you would say, if I went back to the United States in the first place. Why would you even say that? What would be the reason for the subject? You got all the things to talk about\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: I don\u2019t know, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You know, if you\u2019d be more positive, your mother\u2019s came to the jaws of death, save you from cancer.<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And she\u2019s sick. (Stumbles over words) She has a lot of problems, so she\u2019s not\u2013 not that. But you think you be positive and give her uh, joy, you could help with that?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: She\u2019s a good woman. A very good woman.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: And Danielle, you\u2013 you\u2013 you should\u2013 you walk around flighty, you know, you\u2013 you\u2013 you\u2013 you come off like you\u2013 you\u2019re too grown to be with some people or you\u2013 you act very\u2013 you act like you\u2019re too grown most of the time, and\u2013 and you should\u2013 I\u2019m just giving\u2013 you know, suggesting that you stop being so flighty and be a little bit more friendly to more\u2013 to more people. And\u2013 yeah, and stay young as long as you can.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Murmurs of agreement<\/p>\n

Woman 4<\/strong>: Danny, you have a nasty attitude. And I don\u2019t know, why you want to go back to Texas.<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: I didn\u2019t say I did.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You said, if you would go back. I\u2013 I\u2013 I don\u2019t ever say, if I went back. Only thing I said here to you one night, so some of you people seem to think I enjoy this, I don\u2019t enj\u2013 I would, if I could be like people here, could walk out and sit down to a movie, and set in the TV and watch it, but when I\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2019m sitting every night on the damn radio. I walked out of that radio at what time this morning. Eight o\u2019clock? 8:30?<\/p>\n

Male 1<\/strong>: Eight o\u2019clock.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: After all night. Now, I\u2013 I can\u2019t\u2013 and that\u2019s why I said, I was saying to somebody last night, I\u2013 I\u2013 I even\u00ad\u2013 I\u2019d even hate to see people fall in love, because they fall in love, they\u2019ll forget the problems of the greater family. You can see \u2018em preoccupied. One of the best person, I said, he\u2019s great\u2013 good man, preoccupied because he\u2019s worrying about his love life, worrying about his image. Jesus Christ, what uh, a menace it is. But I cannot ever take any time for myself, I can\u2019t relax from the pressures, I\u2019ve got to give you news. How do you think I felt after all night trying to give that damn news. Had people pass by here, talkin\u2019, just like magpies, just talkin\u2019 like a parrot. Not listening. I only give that news to try to educate people so that they\u2019ll be equipped<\/em>. If they\u2019re not equipped, if they don\u2019t have knowledge, they won\u2019t be sensitive, they won\u2019t be loyal, we won\u2019t stand together and protect our babies and our seniors from harm. We\u2019ll never be worth a salt<\/em> of revolution, if we don\u2019t have knowledge. Jesus Christ. But I have to be the one person that\u2019ll stay, and there\u2019re some others, but very few that\u2019ll forget the loves and attachments and all that, burn the midnight oil, and forget recreation and indulgence, and think about\u2013 but it\u2019s on my mind all the time, [Jim] McElvane, McElvane. What the hell\u2013 That\u2013 that goddamn attorney, and get a new attorney, I have to talk and consult the new attorneys [likely Mark Lane and Don Freed], because I don\u2019t trust the one I got [Charles Garry], \u2018cause he\u2019s too damned old and he thinks he\u2019s in love. Damned old fool, got him a toupee at 70 years of age, and then he puts in his damn uh, rights, uh, (stumbles over words) lawyer in the street court\u2013 courtroom, and I don\u2019t know what the dumb fool said. And tells how he defends his cases and tells how he manipulates the jury, and I\u2013 you think he\u2019s gonna represent some of\u2013 person of mine going to the court? No. I don\u2019t know what we\u2019re gonna do then, chums, uh, chaps, but if anybody of mine person goes to court, it ain\u2019t gonna be, because that fool is losing a murder trial right now, because he opened<\/em> up and wrote in a book. He big ego. And he trying to get it up. Every time, I can\u2013 I can tell when I call, he\u2019s trying to get it up with his new girlfriend. I can always tell it, because I\u2019ll be damned, he hasn\u2019t got an ounce of sense, and the nasty ass mood and doesn\u2019t think clearly at all. And that\u2019s what troubles you people. You\u2019re not\u2013 we oughtna get in this mess, you oughtna be getting this love, because it\u2019s not love, it\u2019s need<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: It\u2019s mirroring nece\u2013 uh, narcissism, but at least<\/em>, if you do it, for Christ\u2019s sakes, can\u2019t you lay it down and do your job<\/em>?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I don\u2019t ask you to carry all<\/em> the work here, but feel<\/em> the burden of this. I want this (unintelligible word) to understand on the tape, too, to be able to recreate it. I want that put on the blackboard. Why can\u2019t we for the moment forget, and remember until every one of our people are safe, forget our own needs. So I\u2019m in a prison, hell. But I don\u2019t talk about going to United States, the only time I mentioned, I said, I would have liked to died in jail. Do you want to die in jail? (Pause) You want to be in jail, where they\u2019ll rape you, attack you, molest you? That\u2019s what I meant. I wanted to die in jail, not take bail, because it\u2019s a capitalist device that only the rich can afford to pay bail and get out and walk on the streets, I\u2019d\u2013 I know it wouldn\u2019t\u2019ve achieved anything, but at least I coulda said, here\u2019s one person that does<\/em> not believe in the system, that will not<\/em> walk the streets of America, that will not<\/em> eat its food and pay its taxes, so it can bomb little black children in Rhodesia and burn out villages in Molan\u2013 Mozambique. No<\/em>. I rot in jail. But I had no right to do that because I owe this and everybody else here has the same responsibility, there\u2019s a thousand people\u2013 over a thousand people here, and hundreds more that we can give liberty to, make a viable force, and if there was hope \u2013 which there isn\u2019t \u2013 we could then have them organized to go back or go in this continent and help with other liberation movements, or in Africa. The future is bright<\/em> if we get our shit together. There\u2019s some young people would care as much as Cleave Swinney who\u2019ll push himself when he was a dead man, carried out here a year ago. You don\u2019t believe in miracles, some of you play that down, you oughta be ashamed, don\u2019t give respect to the office, we carried him out here, he was white as a sheet<\/em>, and the doctor said, go home and die<\/em>. We sent him to Trinidad, said there\u2019s nothing can be done, it\u2019s only a matter of weeks. That\u2019s been over a year ago. Working like a dog, going in there, liftin\u2019 a great big thing that he couldn\u2019t get the four Guyanese workers\u2013 they\u2013 they\u2013 it took four of them, he lifted it himself and carried it up the steps. Young<\/em> people oughta care about these boats, young people oughta care about learning the machine shop, loun\u2013 young people oughta care about learning all the uh, phases, the mechanics, and agriculture, but they set back on their ass and talk about le\u2013 if I went back to Texas. What time you got to talk about going back to Texas?<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Speaks quickly) Why don\u2019t you talk\u2013 Why don\u2019t you ask\u2013 Why did you go up to uh, Di\u2013 [Dan] Kutulas ass about bananas, or\u2013 or\u2013 or Chaikin and ask something about peanuts or Tish [Leroy], who has a fall\u2013 full comprehension, or [Jack] Beam of knowing, or Jan [Wilsey] or any of the other farm supervisors, [Jewell James] Simpson, why don\u2019t you try to ask something about how to help make this a community, to help feed<\/em> us, \u2018cause I\u2019m paying for everything that goes in your mouth.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I\u2019m paying<\/em> when you get sick. And some of you that are heavy, by the way, you eat and waste on that score, and then you end up in that damn hospital. I\u2019ve had several of you. Why are you there? Because you eatin\u2019 too damn much.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Guy Mitchell<\/strong>: I don\u2019t know what the hell you mean that, if you<\/em> went back to Texas, because you been in Texas and you know all the racial shit that went on in Texas. Do you remember the time when your mother was working up at that doughnut place, and one black man got beat to shit out of him for five cents? For five cents that he\u2013 that\u2013 uh, a teller cheated him out of five cents, Dad, out of five cents, and he wanted his five cents, and he didn\u2019t argue with the teller, and she called\u2013 went outside the door and called the police on him, and they beat the shit out of him, and beat him to the ground, mercifully [mercilessly] for five cents. And you seen it, you were standing right there. And you want to go back to shit like that.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Scattered voices<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I\u2019m gone demand\u2013 I gone demand people smile here, or we\u2019re gonna make it a Public Service offence.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Scattered murmurs of agreement<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You better go home and exercise. I can\u2019t expect you to start it tonight. You been practicing it too long. But your mom and your dad don\u2019t do that. They\u2019ll give you a very civil time of day, no matter how tired. I\u2019m tired<\/em> of looking at blank stupid faces that think they\u2019re better, or whatever<\/em> they think, I\u2019m not gonna judge it, but by God, I speak, and if I\u2019m engaged in important conference, somebody passes me, I\u2019ll call out to them, \u2018cause I want them to know I care.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And some of you people just wander by here like, by God, it\u2019s your duty to be nasty.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Woman 5<\/strong>: Won\u2019t you start smiling now?<\/p>\n

Woman 6<\/strong>: I\u2019d like to say, it\u2019s quite a contradiction that you could be as interested as you are in black history, probably the best student in the class \u2013 Dawn\/Don would agree \u2013 the best student in the class concerned about black history, and here when it comes down to black people and what\u2019s going on today, you\u2019re nowhere. You have a theoretical understanding of what\u2019s going on, but when it comes down to the practice of your life here in Jonestown, your theory doesn\u2019t fit your practice at all, makes you a theoretical Marxist. You have it in your head, but you haven\u2019t got it in your daily activity.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know a few more like that. I remember some theoretical\u2013 I was reading the affidavits of what one Jim Cobb did to the white women, bur\u2013 beating them down and other women, and saw what the hell they did\u2013 he did. He ought\u2013 They had it here. Mike Cartmell uh, drive around in these zoot suits, can\u2019t even pay for it, living off\u2013\u00a0probably end up in jail because they don\u2019t pay their bills. Yeah, I see these theoretical Marxists, theoretical knowledge of black history. You got a knowledge of black history, then you\u2019ll identify with the black seniors here who remember the black history that some of these seniors had or as your dad said, that was beat down. They\u2019re setting right out here.<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: There\u2019s Lula Ruben\u2019s out here and all kinds that had white man put a gun on \u2018em. You heard their testimony. \u2018Cause she\u2013 her baby was sick and she didn\u2019t get to work right on the time on the plantation, one minute late, and he pulled a shotgun to blow her and the baby away, but it didn\u2019t happen to go off. By God, I\u2019m sick of tough people talkin\u2019 about all their great intellectual knowledge, and can\u2019t identify with the black people that are right here that went through hell. Hell. People beat down and jailed, you\u2019ve heard them, shot one of our black men, shot down like a dog by the police, shot right without even a warning, shot it\u2013 part of his face and his body away. He\u2019s right here. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 7<\/strong>: I bet you don\u2019t even remember who that was, do you? You remember who that was? He got up about\u2013 about two or three meetings\u2013 two or three meetings ago, he got up and he gave the whole story.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Male 7<\/strong>: You know who it was? Uh, you weren\u2019t listening, were you, when he got up and talked about it.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You remember about the black woman that\u2019s here, had her\u2013 had to pass by the relatives and while they\u2019d hung one of their loved ones and the K\u2013 the white people of the South said if you look, we\u2019ll hang you too. Walk by and l\u2013 don\u2019t say a word. Or they were hung by the neck. You remember that? You remember the black woman that was beat down (stumbles over words) on the toilet? In the jail? You know who they are? Can you remember their faces out there? Do you know them?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And a hundred more that were not named, that did not tell their pain.<\/p>\n

One voice in crowd<\/strong>: Right, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2013 I don\u2019t want to hear this crap, when people can be nal\u2013 talking about the news and could be talking about things that count on helping us, you young people\u2013 and many are, coming up some of the best workers, but some of you are walking around here like you don\u2019t know where you belong. Some seniors too.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Walking around, don\u2019t know\u2013 don\u2019t do anything. Just your gripes and your pains. If I meet you, by God, can\u2019t walk an inch till somebody tells me what\u2019s wrong with them. You never tell me what\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: It\u2019s a small minority, but by God, you oughta carry your weight here. People ought to be using their time, because we wasted money and we ought to have guilt, all the money you wasted that we could have the\u2013 all the 101 houses that we got now on that map. Where is that map? It oughta be on the wall so people can look at our projection. That isn\u2019t all<\/em> we got to build, warehouses, Jesus Christ. We got a hundred crates coming in, we gotta have a warehouse built. They gotta work all night to get buildings ready, \u2018cause we\u2019re too crowded. We got important things that got to get done. And people could be giving us some help on doing these things, volunteering some time like some other young people do.<\/p>\n

Male<\/strong>: I\u2013 I just wanted to say one thing, Dad, is that I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t want to hear anybody or see anybody comparing things back in the States to Jonestown about, well, I was never given a chance. I mean, this is just like\u2013 just like back in the States. I wasn\u2019t given an opportunity. I mean, people will vamp right down on me, they will do this, they\u2019ll say that, they\u2019ll try to boss me around. I don\u2019t want to hear<\/em> that crap. I mean that.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: All right. Where is the jury? You know the jury. They\u2019re supposed to have seats up here.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Okay, good, that\u2019s good. They\u2019re not all there.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Huh? Jose [Simon] smokin\u2019 meat, the old Indian chief. Why don\u2019t his son [Alvin Simon] set in his place? Is he here?<\/p>\n

Reply too soft<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Okay. (Pause) Pain of his speech. You remember the pain in his speech? An Indian, that they won\u2019t even allow to be taught now? Reservations wiped out. All treaties broken. He spoke to his granddaughter, I coulda cried, you could hear it. You couldn\u2019t understand, but you knew what he was saying. White man destroyed our chil\u2013 our cities, destroy\u2013 I mean, destroyed our country, destroyed everything they touched, and you want to go back? It\u2019s painful to hear him talk in his dialect.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: In a language they would even let them talk<\/em>. It\u2019s against the law in some states for Indians to speak Indian. In United States. Yes it is. Against the law. (Pause) Hmm? (Pause) I\u2013 I\u2019d say what to do about it. What do you say happen? The witnesses. What\u2019d the witnesses say happened. It\u2019s a con\u2013 cardinal offense here to talk about United States and glorify it.<\/p>\n

Anthony Hicks<\/strong>: What should happen to her?<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: What did she do? No, I don\u2019t\u2013 that\u2019s not your decision.<\/p>\n

Anthony:<\/strong> She was talk\u2013 She said it\u2013 When\u2013 when me and Tracy, we was all sitting down with\u2013 with our lunchtime, Danielle say, you know, we heard\u2013 heard Youlanda was talkin\u2019, she said if she had a chance to go back to the United States, she would go, and if she had a chance to go back to Houston, Texas, she would go to Houston, Texas.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: My God. I never shall forget in that Houston, Texas meeting, we had to walk around to the te\u2013 telephone, and I mean the goddamn police stood there and watched us, just wanting an opportunity to blow us away, and I\u2019m doing nothing but talking on a telephone.<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Rioting. There\u2019s nothing but<\/em> riots in Houston. Nothing but riots. They\u2013 That\u2019s again a piece of new I didn\u2019t tell you, I don\u2019t tell you all this stuff\u2013 Seventeen\u2013 Seventeen Chicanos, Hispanics (snaps fingers) shot by police. They\u2013 they fought back, and blacks are now beginning to fight back. But that l\u2013 that church, that only building would be to walk out on that goddamn nightmare street, rot all around, drug pushers, dirty, filthy. The only thing that looked decent was a goddamn light in a telephone booth. Nothing so ugly than those goddamn white police. Not a black police, white\u2013 All black neighborhood, come in and just stood there, stood there, and one on one corner, another one of the other one, just waiting, just wanting us to do one\u2013 wanting us to even frown at them. Anything. I don\u2019t forget that, by God. The last meeting we had in Houston. Where were you, as your dad said, where were you when the black man was beat down for no\u2013 wanting his money, his proper money, and he asked for it, and he gets beat by the police, just beat down by the people. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: I didn\u2019t know none of those cops, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You don\u2019t?<\/p>\n

Danielle<\/strong>: No.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: He said you were there.<\/p>\n

Mitchell<\/strong>: You don\u2019t. Your mother haven\u2019t even told you about that. Oh, yes, she has.<\/p>\n

Male 8<\/strong>: (unintelligible word) radio say? The radio say.<\/p>\n

Low voice<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Yes, I think we should.<\/p>\n

Low voices<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You go ahead, sweet. Did the daughter want\u2013 the sister want to say?<\/p>\n

Young male (likely Keith Newsome)<\/strong>: Uh, the man, he\u2013 he had\u2013 he had bought some and it didn\u2019t work, so he had took it back and uh, the lady cheated him out of fi\u2013 uh, it was\u2013 it was like, uh, five to ten cents, and uh, he wanted it, and\u2013 and she wouldn\u2019t give it to him, and so uh, he said, if you don\u2019t give it to me, I hit you with this belt buckle or something, I guess, and so uh, she started getting scared, then she went outside, got the police, and they started beating him, and they put \u2018em all in the car, and Danielle, you were standing right there.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: He needed\u2013 he needed\u2013 you know how much? Isn\u2019t that something, a black man has to say, I\u2019ll have to hit you with my belt. Uh\u2013 What do you suppose he needed, five, ten cents? \u2018Cause five or ten cents means a lot of difference to a black person.<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: May not mean nothing about you kids, \u2018cause you had it easy. But uh, it meant a lot the black people that couldn\u2019t uh\u2013 had to pay their bills and put that food on the table.<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: If he\u2019d been white, he wouldna had to\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: He wouldna had to argue.<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: If\u2013 if they\u2019da been white, he wouldna had to argue to have gotten it back.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Mitchell<\/strong>: And you ought to appreciate over here, because as many a times as me and your mother had to scuffle<\/em>, working two<\/em> jobs, both of us, trying to make it, day and night, hardly seeing one another, and hardly even be having to spend time, well, this is the first time that we\u2019ve been able to spend a little time with you. With all<\/em> of you. No time in the church, no money, and Dad spent all that money sending all of us over here to freedom. To freedom<\/em>. And I mean, this is (stretches out word) freedom.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right. (applause)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: They came\u2013 As you know, this family came from Texas, went to Chicago and saw what it was on their own, and came here. And didn\u2019t I not call you out once through your loved one in San Francisco and healed you of cancer?<\/p>\n

Beverly<\/strong>: That\u2019s right, Dad. She was six years old.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Cancer was in your family, \u2018cause we had to uh, heal your mother of it. She\u2019da died of it, she hadna gotten here. Doing fine, doing fine. But our attitudes don\u2019t help her. She had a little infection from the post-operative surgery, but if it hadna been here, it coulda been\u2013 she\u2019da died.<\/p>\n

One voice<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

One voice<\/strong>: Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: So cancer\u2019s obviously in the family. Well, I\u2013 I don\u2019t know. Uh, I\u2013 I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t know how to get it across to people. So let\u2019s just\u2013 just make a decision. We oughtna talk all night. We love you, we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ve proven that. Jury, decide what\u2013 uh, what it is. It\u2019s just a\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013 we don\u2019t talk about that. That\u2019s one thing we don\u2019t talk about, going back to racism. That\u2019s like saying we\u2019ll go back and join the murderers.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: When we get our people to freedom, do whatever the hell you damn well please, but don\u2019t talk about that crap in the meantime. (Pause) I mean, our last<\/em> person to freedom. (Pause) I\u2019m saying to you, sweetheart, I want you to salute, I want you to smile, and you better get used to it, and everybody else here that don\u2019t smile. Now, everybody can smile if they make themselves, no matter how tired they feel. I smile. Right now, I don\u2019t (stumbles over words) I\u2019d have to make it phony, I\u2019m not good at phony smiles, but when I walk by, I smile at you.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And say hi. And I can be sick as a dog, but I say hi. I say, love you, hi, darling, and some\u2013<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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