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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Summary,\u00a0click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>,\u00a0Pt. 2<\/a>)
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013and she (short laugh)\u2013 She put pressure on the Health and Education, Welfare, and they sent us a profusely, I\u2013 I\u2019m sorry letter, we didn\u2019t\u2013 It was a mistake, and we didn\u2019t mean it to happen. So our checks will flow, but not without interruption, they say.<\/p>\n

Cheers.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Ululation<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> He got very loud. (voice quiet) Representative put that on (unintelligible word), send it back to them, let \u2018em know how happy<\/em> we are. Go ahead, go ahead.<\/p>\n

Music.<\/p>\n

(Song 1)<\/strong> (Chorus) Reach out and touch somebody\u2019s hand
\nMake this world a better place if you can.
\nReach out and touch somebody\u2019s hand
\nMake this world a better place if you can. Just try.
\nMake a little time out of your busy day to give encouragement
\nTo someone who lost their way.
\nOr would I be talking to\u00a0 stone?
\n(several lines unintelligible)
\nWe can change things, if we start giving
\n(several lines unintelligible)<\/p>\n

(Chorus)<\/p>\n

If you see an old man on the street and he\u2019s down
\nRemember his shoes could fit your feet
\nTry a little kindness when you see
\nIt\u2019s something that comes very naturally.
\nWe can change things if we start giving
\nWhy don\u2019t you<\/p>\n

(Chorus)<\/p>\n

(Song 2)<\/strong><\/p>\n

(Stanza 1) Get a little money, get on your feet
\nWhy do we change
\n\u2018Cause our leader has given us
\nAll that we need
\nWhy can\u2019t we remain the same
\nToday may be as bright
\nAs the morning sun,
\nTomorrow we die, and everything gone wrong
\nBut don\u2019t forget to remember
\nWhere all your blessings come from.<\/p>\n

(Repeat Stanza 1)<\/p>\n

Don\u2019t forget to remember
\nDon\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget
\nDon\u2019t forget to remember
\nDon\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget
\nNo, Don\u2019t forget to remember
\nI said, Don\u2019t forget to remember
\nWhere all your blessings come from.<\/p>\n

(Stanza 1) Some of us got to come over here
\nBefore the others did
\nDon\u2019t relax now
\n\u2018Cause we got sisters and brothers back there
\nAnd they deserve to be free
\nWe got to work to make it be
\nIt\u2019s not bright for them
\nNo, it\u2019s very dark
\nThey\u2019re being shot down
\nBy capitalist running dogs
\nSo don\u2019t forget to remember
\nWhere all your blessings come from.
\nWhoa, don\u2019t forget to remember
\nI said, don\u2019t forget
\nDon\u2019t forget, comrades, don\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget,
\nNo, no, don\u2019t forget to remember
\nDon\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget, no, don\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget to remember
\nComrades, don\u2019t forget to remember
\nWhere all your blessings come from.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Urge [Mike] Prokes to get in here and hear this, so we can get a film of this, the beauty on the faces of singing. Go on. You\u2019re getting it. Sorry, Prokes.<\/p>\n

(Repeat Stanza 2)<\/p>\n

Whoa, don\u2019t forget to remember, comrades, don\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget,
\nNo, no, don\u2019t forget to remember, comrades, don\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget,
\nDon\u2019t ever forget, forget to remember
\nWhere all your blessings come from.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013to be sent to Africa, and you all ought to have sickle cell anemia, but now the snows are so, so much, and it\u2019s everywhere around, even over in Reno, \u2018cause the Laytons had to talk to\u2013 uh, Moore had to talk to uh, their parents [John and Barbara Moore], and snow has actually tied up the hospitals till they can\u2019t get in<\/em> the hospital and can\u2019t get out<\/em> of the hospital, the medical staff had to stay in, and that\u2019s why, you know, you\u2019re enjoying beautiful weather. There\u2019s many meteorologists that say we<\/em> are going to be the most ideal climate at some time, but what does that mean to the masses back there? In the coming of another Ice Age. I don\u2019t know, I don\u2019t think we appreciate sometimes what we have. I don\u2019t think we appreciate.<\/p>\n

Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The way that\u2013 I\u2019ll never forget the tone in which he said, to\u2013 they said on the radio to convey to you, said\u2013 they didn\u2019t say convey, they said that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s such beautiful music. And that\u2019s all the way through all the QRM, at the late time of the band, and here we have it right out here, crystal clear, the best music in the world.<\/p>\n

Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Hums) (Sings)<\/p>\n

(Song 3)<\/strong> I know that socialism will make the way for thee
\nI know that socialism will make the way for you, for you
\n(Joined by Jonestown Express) If you live the Marxist life,
\nShun the wrong unto the right
\nI know that socialism will make the way for you<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Speaks) Just put out your feeling, now, and forget that camera<\/p>\n

(Sings; joined by Jonestown Express) I know that socialism will make a way for you, for you
\nI know that socialism will make a way\u2013<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calls out) Smile, smile!<\/p>\n

(Sings) \u2013for you, for you
\nIf you live the socialist life,
\nShun the wrong unto the right
\nI know that socialism will make a way for you.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Speaks) United forever<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

(Song 2 redux) <\/strong>
\n(Woman sings) Some of us got to come over here
\nBefore the others did
\nDon\u2019t relax now<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All right, sing. Sing about freedom. Peace and equality<\/p>\n

\u2018Cause we got sisters and brothers back there
\nWho deserve to be free
\nWe gotta work to make it be
\nIt\u2019s not bright for them
\nNo, it\u2019s very dark
\nThey\u2019re being shot down
\nBy capitalist running dogs
\nSo don\u2019t forget to remember
\nWhere all your blessings come from.
\n(Repeats)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Don\u2019t relax now. We won\u2019t, we won\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Whoa, don\u2019t forget to remember
\nI said, don\u2019t forget
\nDon\u2019t forget, comrades, don\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget,
\nNo, no, don\u2019t forget to remember
\nDon\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget, no, don\u2019t forget, don\u2019t forget to remember
\nComrades, don\u2019t forget to remember
\nWhere all your blessings come from.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

(Song 4)<\/strong>
\nI can\u2019t live without it
\nI can\u2019t live without it
\nThat is why I love you so,
\nHe\u2019s so real to me.
\nIn the morning,
\nIt\u2019s so real to me
\nOh, yes, he gives me victory.
\nSo many people dying,
\nI can\u2019t live without it
\nThat is why I love it so,
\nIt\u2019s so real to me.
\nIt\u2019s real\u2013
\nSocialism is real
\nSocialism is\u2013
\nIt\u2019s so real to me.
\nOh, yes, it gave me victory
\nSo many people dying,
\nI can\u2019t live without it
\nThat is why I love it so,
\nSocialism\u2019s real to me.
\n(Repeats)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

(Pause) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

(Song 2 repeats)<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That was so good. There\u2019s some people like to (voice fades)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Seems to have troubles or problems, NAACP, I was a Marxist already, espousing communism. Jesus Christ, they\u2019d love<\/em> to get anything on me, but somehow, somewhere, that fucker disappeared. And I didn\u2019t do<\/u><\/em> anything about it, I\u2019m telling you, nobody was there to help, he just\u2013 I went back, he was going\u2013 gone. And I watched for days, and he never showed up. (Pause) He didn\u2019t bother me, so I sure as hell didn\u2019t ask any questions.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And it was in an open area, where somebody woulda been bound to see him. I just pulled him out\u2013 I pulled him out, uh, he fell down, I pulled him out at the edge, really, by a brick alley. I\u2019ll never forget. And I looked at him, and his eyes were set, and dirt on his eyes. I got up and I couldn\u2019t hear him breathing, and I took his pulse, \u2018cause I knew something of medical science at that point, I uh, put my head to his chest, and then I vacated. (unintelligible exclamation) And we will resolve it scientifically. I am a momentary thing on the\u2013 I am a\u2013 uh, I\u2019m a mutation<\/em> in that area. No use to try to have a school, I can\u2019t teach it. You try to heal uh, Walter Williams. You try to tell Rose Peterson she not going to die. And then there\u2019ll be some that will<\/em>. And it often<\/em> correlates\u2013 it often correlates, this young man said, accidents and disease with attitudes of temper, like this security person that got up, Jeff [Carey], and said he had an a\u2013 active temper, and he put his fist, I believe, through aluminum and\u2013 and cut his tendon. Uh\u2013 No matter what the provocation. It\u2019s better than hurting somebody else, but it hurt himself, and it took\u2013 took my medical staff four hours, doctor, four hours of surgery.<\/p>\n

But there is no reason<\/em> [for] you to study it, you\u2019ll not<\/u><\/em> be able to effect it. I\u2019ve tried to teach it 20 years ago \u2013 wake up, dear, please \u2013 20<\/em> years ago I tried to teach it. You can\u2019t learn it. It\u2019s not\u2013 uh, uh, it\u2019s not an area you can teach. You can meditate till you can go to hell, and you won\u2019t do it. You set up the ground to being by saying what he did, you\u2019ll put an ad to your mind, I\u2019ll be the fulcrum, the center of the wheel, and it\u2019ll work whatever it\u2019s to work. But we are not<\/em> caught up in metaphysics, we will not<\/em> be involved in astrological bullshit, we are not<\/em> interested in the stars, we are on planet earth<\/em>, terra firma, and I don\u2019t believe in a goddamn<\/em> thing I can\u2019t see, and I wouldn\u2019t believe in my<\/em>faculty other than I see the results of it. That\u2019s all. I want no more entertaining of it.<\/p>\n

But those who brought such books can (short laugh) greatly helpful to the cause, because believe me, some people will pay a very good price. There\u2019s still credulity even here, and we are not going to burn it or use it for shitpaper, when we can sell it. However, some things\u2013 actually, some of these cheap things that you\u2019ve got, the time we get through the shitpaper, it\u2019s more expensive than toilet paper on the world market, because of paper pulp shortage.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s why we\u2019ve got to get out there and find the wood. I believe there is wood out there we can make cabins out of. I believe it\u2019s possible to us to find wood that we have not found yet, and I want you\u2013 we are so busy in administration coordination, I want you to use every talent and every thought that you have to explore it. I believe there\u2019s things out there we can do, out there in that unexplored jungle, lies a way to make paper, lies a way to build houses, without having to go through all the uh, exploiters on the market, if you know what I mean. We\u2019re in a transition to socialism\u2013 What are these two standing up for?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Voices too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, they\u2019ve been standing for a considerable number of (unintelligible word)\u2013 They block my view. Thank you. (Pause) It\u2019s distracting, if you\u2019ll uh, use another method, I would appreciate it. (Pause) The uh\u2013 (Pause) fact is, that every time we have to go to a\u2013 a lumber industry, for instance, we get about sixty percent good, and forty percent or fifty percent waste<\/em>. Because you\u2019re in a transition from capitalism to socialism, the workers who come in don\u2019t give a continental, they haven\u2019t learned what it is, they\u2019re still on the old system of producing for themselves. That\u2019s why we\u2019re far in advance of anything, as [Fred Wills] the Foreign Minister said, he\u2019d seen in any<\/em> country in the world, and uh, we\u2019re now like with the caterpillars, these workers, we got a conscientious socialist worker, though. You wouldn\u2019t find that in a capitalist system, he came out, he\u2019s the field mechanic, he says you got bum deal. You got taken, you\u2019re not\u2013 your job\u2019s not done<\/em> right. And uh, that\u2019s\u2013 What is the matter?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Voices too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Okay, fine. So indeed, we uh, would like to find everything here that it would lead to self-sufficiency. And when you have your half-days and some of you could do teamwork or other times, please<\/em> look into that phase, please study it, biologists, please study it, agronomists, anyone that has lumbering expertise. Yes, Gene [Eugene Chaikin].<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s a good thought, a very good thought. They\u2019re\u2013 doing building those all in Georgetown, we got plenty of that, haven\u2019t we.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Are there any masons here?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Voices too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, I know. That\u2019s right. I don\u2019t\u2013 didn\u2019t know, but I do\u2013 I remember now. Anybody else? We ought to tra\u2013 all those skills ought to be conveyed. We ought to surely look into that, with all the clay we have.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Report Don Barron\u2013 Comrade [Jack] Barron from that. Now you see, I could give your ex\u2013 living quarters much more extensive, but I can\u2019t afford this lumber. There\u2019s too many people to freedom, so I had to cut<\/em> down and stop where we were, because I can\u2019t afford to extend<\/em> it. There\u2019s more important things than uh, having lots of room to just run up and down on a living room. The time\u2019ll come when we can find things within our own family unit<\/em>, in our own property<\/em>, then we would enhance our value and also give us more space<\/em>. Would you see that this is radioed in so they can make proper letter or correspondence to Philippines to get what we need? It might be help\u2013 (hiccups) helpful. Excuse me.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible word) come, they\u2019ll do more like they did. They tried to kick out the Stoens [Tim and Grace]. Actually, I pulled back from that, because that situation got hot. Stoen is so far in the Nazi and the rightwing movement, and the rightwing movement\u2019s so entrenched in the United States, some of you think you can go back to the goddamn place. I mean, you toy with it, and I understand the conditioning of things you think you miss, but uh, you know the rightwing movement is so entrenched in the United States, that it has to be bad when President [Jimmy] Carter stands up and backs the Congress, the State Department in sta\u2013 stating that there\u2019ll be no<\/em> more aid or alliances made with any<\/em> country that has a Marxist in their government. Now that is outrageous, it\u2019s McCarthyism all over, it\u2019s fascism at its worth [worst], the prime minister of France [President Valery d\u2019Estaing] is a die-hard conservative, and he got up and he said, I don\u2019t know what kind of a democracy the United States believes in, but that\u2019s not our idea of freedom. And he told him in so many words to go to hell<\/em>. He said, we will not put our communist out of\u2013 of the Marxist or socialist out of the government. If they\u2019re elected, he said it\u2019s a free enterprise capitalist country, but we have Marxists in our government. And we will not put them out. But that\u2019s the demand of USA. And Stoen got so much cooperation with that goddamn mentality, that they were about to make an international issue<\/em> over being thrown out of this country, so I backed off of it. But this is a brave little country, willing to throw their ass out. \u2018Cause he\u2019s intrinsically involved in the CIA. We did a Freedom of Information Act [request], and only Tim Stoen could give him the names that\u2019s in that CIA file. \u2018Cause some of our friends who\u2019d gone\u2013 were going after the CIA file. But they named the ones that was\u2013 were in the CIA file. And only Tim Stoen could\u2019ve come up with those names. But we\u2019ll find out what\u2019s in the CIA file, if we can. \u2018Course, when you get it, they usually blot out parts of it, and they give you two or three year runaround to get it. But they did acknowledge to Charles Garry today<\/em> the numbers of our people, and it\u2019s a host of you. Will that woman wake up on that post? Now don\u2019t do that to me. (Pause) Anyone seen reading religious material of any<\/em> sort is to be reported<\/em>. It\u2019s counterrevolutionary. Religion is the opiate of the people. It diseases<\/em> the mind. It puts you to sleep and sedates you to make you believe that after you die, in the sweet<\/em> by-and-by, you will find a better world. That is counter to everything to everything Marxist-Leninism teaches, it\u2019s counter to\u2013 it\u2019s a re\u2013 it\u2019s not revisionism, it\u2019s counterrevolutionary. There is no world but this world, as far as we\u2019re concerned. Whatever we\u2019ve seen in the dimension of mind, whatever you may believe or not<\/em> believe about reincarnation, it is irrelevant<\/em> and should not<\/em>even be in our frame of reference. (Pause) We should live because it\u2019s principle to live. Somebody needs us to live. You say, I don\u2019t have anybody. You\u2019ve got a community of 800 and some, 900 nearly. You\u2019ve got a community here that needs<\/em> you. Every place you don\u2019t fill is some place that\u2019s vacant. We all are needed. But if you require any phase of religion, you are counterrevolutionary in your mentality, and I cannot believe that anyone\u2013 Now, it\u2019s new people that (unintelligible word), I\u2019m not speaking about that. And anybody that\u2019s been around me for weeks here and heard this uh, long teachings on socialism and been in our classes which are effective would know<\/em> that by now. And I hear a number of people have got these books. I want rid<\/em> of those books, I want them turned in now. We do not want anyone. There was only one person [Tish Leroy], and she gets caught up in it too much, I love her as a coordinator and a cost uh, accountant and an analyst and fine, as a secretary of agriculture to me, she\u2019s invaluable. But she\u2019s to do astrology because it\u2019s a sham and a fraud to be sold to the public. And I call her the sham and a fraud. And I want to make it unmistakably clear, it\u2019s a sham and a fraud. And the biggest proponents of it through history have been the capitalist exploiter class. All those who expounded religion, Eikenhoffer\u2013 Eikerenkoetter, Ike [Reverend Ike], you name it, Dwight L. Moody, all those people, Dwight L. Moody used to plan his campaigns, and Billy Sunday, he would be sent in by the system just before a labor strike or labor unrest, they\u2019ve always used the evangels of religion and occultism to oppress the people, and they were funded and orchestrated, and Ike works hand in glove. That\u2019s why he owns all the mone. He\u2019ll move into an area like Watts or move into an area like the ghettoes of New York, and he\u2019s funded by outside sources to keep the people in the misery, looking ever for a promise of a better day, uh, in some netherworld or some beyond, some realm in the far-off distance. Religion is a menace to the people. We have come to attack it and destroy it. It has no place of reference in our consciousness. We are opposed<\/em> to religion, because religion is against us.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. (Voice rises) So I want no talk in conversation. If you have time to converse, then converse about Marxism. Converse about introduction to socialism. I don\u2019t want to hear someone saying, I felt this, or I knew that, or I had this feeling, or I dreamed that. No, I don\u2019t want to hear<\/em> it. I consider it treason<\/em>. If you have time to converse, converse about the principles of the text that we have here available. The one central text, or if you are more\u2013 more advanced training, get into that. But I don\u2019t want to hear one thing<\/em> about anything being done except by a trusted revolutionary. And I wouldn\u2019t refer to mine if I had not become first a trusted revolutionary. I have proven<\/em> my revolutionary discipline. I live it. I practice what I preach. I don\u2019t only preach<\/em> Marxism, I live<\/em> it every day. I\u2019m not indulging myself, taking any pleasures, I\u2019m not taking one thing<\/em> from this group, and giving everything I can manage<\/em> to give in this frame. So for that reason only, we will refer to me, and I would debo\u2013 I would demolish that, (calms) if I didn\u2019t first have a Marxist frame of reference and a definite Marxist practice. (Voice rises) It would be dangerous, but being that I have established for 20\u2013 nearly 30 years, my communist theory and<\/em> practice, being that I have proven<\/em> that I am a communist, then I can afford to allow that to work for our health and in some instances, to the transition until you can get out of superstition and credulity. But you don\u2019t (unintelligible word) abolish it. (Moderates) It\u2019s a rel\u2013 It\u2019s a realm that I wandered into for revolutionary purposes, and found does exist. (Voice rises) But I started as an atheist, not believing in anything, and I started it all to bring the masses to enlightenment, because the labor movement would not have me, there was no place to find a platform to present communism, so I went in the church and I invaded it, and I prayed when I didn\u2019t believe in nothing, and I acted religion when I didn\u2019t believe in anything, anything to get to the heart of the masses, but don\u2019t ever believe I believed one goddamn bit of the bullshit, I never have believed it (cries out) and I never will.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calms, then rises) Peace. And anyone that ever heard one of my sermons knew it. I\u2019d heal \u2018em, taken them out of a wheelchair and do all these extraordinary things, and denounce the whole business in the next breath. It\u2019s a wonder we kept as many healings as we did. \u2018Cause I\u2019d tear up every goddamn thing I did. Tell you not to believe in anything. And knock God every we\u2013 ev\u2013 every service, said there was no meaning to the universe, it was all disorder and chaos. If there was anybody up there ruling anything, it had to be a demon. With two out of three babies going to bed hungry and people having to go through death, sickness and disease, it\u2019s amazing I kept you as well as I did. That\u2019s why I know there\u2019s a faculty to me<\/em>. But I\u2019m not gone get carried away with it. As long as I can see people being saved and children who are sent in with some prospect of cancer come back with nothing, when I can see a young girl (stumbles over words) looks very conclusive like she has cancer, like our Asiatic sister (claps once) and nun, and I can see Rose Peterson that had it and the doctor gettin\u2019 ready to do the work, and he says, I\u2019m perplexed. And there she sets tonight, I\u2013 So as long as I can do that, I will credit it to Marxism<\/em> and Leninism<\/em>. I will credit it to some phase of material advancement of science that we don\u2019t understand. But I didn\u2019t<\/em> get it from no fuckin\u2019 book, and I never read no son-of-a-bitch that was in religion that wasn\u2019t a deceiver<\/em>, and always manipulating the masses, often orchestrated by the capitalists themselves. Amy Semple McPherson, one of the greatest deceivers that ever came on human history, she used to put on all these great parades and started Pentecostalism, and made it a mass movement. And the bitch set up, when she wanted to go out and have a fuck, she set up like she was kid\u2013 uh, kidnapped, and caused three people to be killed<\/em>. Running into the goddamn water, trying to save her, and one young woman committed suicide, because she wanted to slip off in the Foursquare religion and the Assemblies of God that came out of it, she\u2013 she went off to get a fuck, and was down in Mexico in Baja California for a month, trying to deceive everybody, that she was uh, kidnapped. And the bitch then sent a note, sent a goddamn note, and had the whole thing set up, and people working with her, police working with her, press working with her, it was a disgusting mess. (Moderates) One policeman, though, couldn\u2019t buy it, when they found her over in Arizona, and she was supposed to have wandered a hundred miles and didn\u2019t even have a sunburn. (Pause) Over the desert. She got away from her attacker. And so one roving reporter then went to investigate, and he found out that she had been with the head of a radio station that she\u2013 the gospel radio station that she founded in Los Angeles in the Foursquare Temple, he found that he\u2013 she was shacked up for one month with this man down in Baja California, and had all the proof, (Voice rises) but no paper would print it. Not during the time, nobody<\/em>. In fact, she was to be prosecuted for defrauding<\/em> the people, for giving a false police report, for all kinds of other criminal things which had led to three people drowning<\/em>, and one committing suicide, and William Randolph Hearst stopped the process of justice, stopped the district attorney, intervened<\/em> with justice, because he had used<\/em> Amy Semple McPherson all over the land<\/em> to stop labor unrest. Every time strikes<\/em> were about to break, Amy would go and preach the good ol\u2019 gospel and get the people worked up in a frenzy, and the strike would be broken. (Cries out) Goddamn those motherfuckers. I hate \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And all the ark of fools and metaphysicians and prayer psychologists along with them. It\u2019s just a new name for the same fucking deception.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Moderates) Anybody have any question? Anybody have any question<\/em> about what I believe? Ask me. Ask me, but don\u2019t fuck around now no more. Don\u2019t go around mouthin\u2019 off about stars. Don\u2019t talking about in\u2013 your intuition, or your dreams, or your impression, or your healing energy in your finger. And if you got any question, you better speak to me now, so we\u2019ll get the place cleared, because next time I hear it, you\u2019ll be in Learning. Wiping their ass. \u2018Cause we\u2019ll make a new work for you. \u2018Cause Learning is an honored place, and you who teach religion are really destroying<\/em> all we have bled and died for. (Pause) (Calms) Quiet, isn\u2019t it? (Pause) Oh, how much people love to get back to religion, some of you. They love to get back to it. I guess it\u2019s nice to believe you got a rocking chair up there (laughs) when you get through, but there ain\u2019t no rocking chair. If some of your asses work a little better in the field, if you realize that whatever we build of houses, we\u2019re going to have to find from this clay, from this dirt, find from this soil, (voice climbs) because Jehovah ain\u2019t gonna come, and Islam or Mo\u2013 Mohammed and whatever it means, obedience to the will of God, none of these other fuckin\u2019 lies, nobody<\/em> gonna come, the Bhagavathi or Buddha, or none of the other pukes<\/em>. (Pause) No, no, no Santa Claus with his little red nose and his milky buttermilk eyes, none of these other fuckin\u2019 preachers that look like they\u2019ve been stall fed and wimps, (Voice rises) nobody, none of them, they\u2019re all deceivers, all motherfuckers, and I\u2019d like to kill<\/em> every prick I could get my hand on.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calms) Somebody said, had you meditated, to one of our new people. I\u2013 Don\u2019t you talk about meditated. Have you said your gratitudes? That\u2019s what you\u2019re supposed to do. You get it in your mind. There ain\u2019t nothing you need to do, meditatin\u2019 or any kind of praying, you just get this law in your mind. Reason a whole lot of things work is that because you believe in it. So work it, and believe it. There\u2019s another dimension to it. It\u2019s a absolute fact I can do things when you don\u2019t believe it or whether you do<\/em> believe it. But it helps when you have it in your mind as a center of being. But if you get into religion without Marxism, you\u2019re gonna get into narcissism, and all the worst deviation that can possibly be. Somebody got a piece of Kleenex? I steam up my goddamn glasses when I get on this subject. (Short laugh) Can\u2019t see<\/em> through them. (Voice rises throughout) \u2018Cause I hate religion. You read your history, from John Wesley. I don\u2019t give a fuck which one you want to name. You name them. Chapman [likely Wilbur]. Billy Sunday. Reverend Ike. Oral Roberts. Every goddamn one of them were funded and used to quell labor unrest. And every mother fuckin\u2019 one of them always preached pro-capitalism. Every blessed bastard. If he\u2019s an occult, a metaphysician, astrologer, your every fuckin\u2019 breath, he\u2019ll preach\u2013 And that\u2019s why they\u2019re prospering in the States, until the people rise and cut their throat or the bomb melts them. That\u2019s why they get their money, and that\u2019s why they come after me with all the good I\u2019ve done, because I\u2019m the only one ever come along<\/em>, preach socialism. Oh, they preach some kind of utopian goddamn scheme, that this is kind of what heaven on earth will be, or Father Divine shit, I\u2019m not talkin\u2019 about that, I preach a scientific socialism. There\u2019s a difference between utopianism, there\u2019s a difference between idealism and materialism as according to [Karl] Marx and [Vladimir] Lenin, it\u2019s different.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calms) Wonderful to talk about peace<\/em> and cooperativism, when a leader of all these me\u2013 mo\u2013 missions, when every one of these communal groups have lived higher than the people. I do not<\/em> live higher than the people. And where you see it, you s\u2013 point it, and I\u2019ll do it, if it means I\u2019ll change it, if it means my death. And I mean that. (Pause) Any questions on the subject, because we got on to it by two or three people by accident, some not knowing, and some knowing. How many know there\u2019s no God? (Pause) It\u2019s tried to destroy me, that got dear, lily-white Amy Semple McPherson out of her trouble. And she was such a fraud and a sham that she finally committed suicide. She couldn\u2019t stand her own conscience. I dropped some papers on the ground (unintelligible word). She couldn\u2019t stand her own goddamn conscience. And in her middle years, after her great campaign in Oakland, all of her money, all of her opulence, all of her success, it didn\u2019t satisfy, because the bitch knew she was\u2013 she was a liar, a fraud. I\u2019m sure that there\u2019re people who try to stand for justice that\u2019ve had to take out their life for good reason, revolutionary reasons. But I mean, that bitch just ended the greatest success campaign she had in Oakland, and went to her hotel and killed herself. (Pause) William Randolph Hearst can\u2019t take care of an empty heart and a lonely spirit and a guilty conscience. William Randolph Hearst is the owner of the Examiner<\/em>. Some of you look around, you don\u2019t know who that is, that\u2019s who attacked us [Randolph Hearst]. He\u2013 Now it\u2019s come out in the press, he and [Rupert] Murdoch of New West<\/em> are the new<\/em> right wing of the media. Now it\u2019s come out in all so many magazines. They are the new right. And why? The fascist\u2013 that means the new fascist movement. (Voice rises) Naturally, they had to knock out Jim Jones. Sure, they had to talk about everything they could talk about, anything and everything, and make up all kinds of lies, but it\u2019s amazing<\/em> that I can offer\u2013 Ike\u2013 Eirencolther or whatever his goddamn miserable name is, they have set up sham healings all through the years. Oral Roberts set up sham healings and paid them and got caught and found out. In Detroit, Michigan, he told a woman by revelation to go off of her insulin, she died in sixteen hours. (Calms) The same process. Same big media interfered with the process of justice, and he didn\u2019t go to jail. That\u2019s why. (Voice climbs) \u2018Cause the power structure\u2013 and the press is one of the most evil parts of the power structure. It\u2019s the arm that comes in to try to set up the revolutionaries for killing<\/em>. It whips up the masses, and the masses are so stupid<\/em>, they\u2019re easy to brainwash. It whips them up. Hate<\/em> this, hate<\/em> this man, hate<\/em>him, then\u2013 then the climate comes through that (stumbles over words) everybody has open season to kill<\/em> him. After they get the masses turned against the man, or the woman, then the machinery of the government and the state, the Internal Revenue and the CIA and the FBI can come in for the kill. And if they can\u2019t make it, if somebody\u2019s a little intelligence like I have to get around them, they try assassination<\/em>. And we know what that is. They brought it right to our door here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Moderates) You know that there has to be something extraordinary about us and me, or we wouldn\u2019t be here today. But it\u2019s more intelligence than paranormal. I think<\/em> my way through. I don\u2019t set back and wait for some goddamn hunch. I don\u2019t wait for some revolution in my mind in the metaphysical sense. I wo\u2013 I look to the practical senses, like with the cunning of a wolf. By God, you\u2019d better be\u2013 you better have all the cunning, you better be just as cunning as you can, because that enemy out there is cunning. And that\u2019s why we\u2019re here today. Wasn\u2019t no fucking revelation. I thought I\u2019d fall over on my face trying to convince this government to let a thousand people in here. And I got them convinced just hours<\/em> before that press came down on me. Said, did you know that it was coming down? Yeah, I knew that<\/em>, but the goddamn power didn\u2019t do anything to get me through those deaths. I had to go\u2013 get\u2013 beg, beg, cry, bawl, threat, nearly everything I could think<\/em> of to get you in here, \u2018cause they weren\u2019t gonna let<\/em>you in here, because they were afraid of what the hell we might be, CIA or anything else, they were scared to death<\/em>to let you in here. And I barely got it in here and got your asses out, just in time. When they come to get after all the school teachers, the school\u2019s all gone. All the kids were gone. What the fuck you gonna do? Had a school without a license? No, no, no school. Come after your asses, some of you don\u2019t know how many times they come to your door\u2013 uh, came to your door and came to our church, with papers<\/em> for some of you, just after you got on the airplane. Then you talk about going back. You better remember where in the hell you are. You better remember what the hell\u2019s going on<\/em> back there, because you wouldn\u2019t like to face what you\u2019re gonna run into when you get back there. I tell you, son, I tell you, daughter, I did not wait on an intuition to get you here. \u2018Cause intuition\u2019ll give you a false sense of optimism. \u2018Cause I know I can heal paralysis\u2013 paralyzed people. I\u2019ve done it. I know I can raise the dead. I\u2019ve done it. But if you dwelt on that, you\u2019d sure as hell never work. You\u2019d set on your rotten ass and say, well, I\u2019ll (voice fades for several words). Raise the dead, I\u2019ll just wait when the problem comes. And if I had waited<\/em> on something to help me in Georgetown with all those government leaders, you<\/em> woulda never had your chance.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause nobody helped me. No revelation came, except just the warning, you know, that trouble in the air. I had general (unintelligible word) warnings, and I had a specific concern and warning, and\u2013 but more than that, I was always sharp. I was looking for it. I looked for the worst, and if you look for the worst, you sure as hell can handle the best. But if you don\u2019t look for the worst, you have been fucked. That\u2019s why I wake up every day expecting somebody to try to kill us. That\u2019s why I don\u2019t get to sleep, \u2018cause I\u2019m laying there wondering who\u2013 when they\u2019re gonna do, what they gonna do, which one of you are gonna do something weird? Hmm? (Scoffs) (Pause) People who avoid supervision, who try to get out of work, always connin\u2019, connin\u2019, connin\u2019, connin\u2019. You\u2013 I don\u2019t look\u2013 I don\u2019t look at you in a meeting. Honey, I\u2019m looking at you. I\u2019m looking at you through a hundred eyes. (Pause) Now don\u2019t ask me any more questions than that, \u2018cause I won\u2019t tell you. \u2018Cause I have to learn not to depend upon revelation, but to depend upon thought, \u2018cause we got some people here that don\u2019t mean<\/em> to do it, but they have been here for weeks and they still<\/em> haven\u2019t got the message. They still<\/em> try to slip arounds work which is very good for the body and the mind. They do all kinds of shit. They try to manipulate, pull, and some of you let them do it. You let them pull, you\u2013 you are touched by flattery. In the school, in the kitchen, and in the medical department, (Voice rises) you\u2019re touched<\/em> by flattery, and they fuck<\/em> all over you. Don\u2019t pull that shit on me, I don\u2019t let nobody get to me by flattery, I can recognize that kind of forked tongue anyplace down the road. You leave your con-artistry, I came to save the cons, they can make some of the best revolution, but don\u2019t you bring that con shit in here, we don\u2019t need it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calm) Thank you. Now that gets down to a little matter. There\u2019s a young woman that\u2019s got something to say, I coulda been President of the United States if\u2019d I want to sell out. If I don\u2019t mind it, don\u2019t give me no shit about your problem. You don\u2019t even talk to me about your problem. Don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t give me no shit. Don\u2019t you walk down the wrong path. I warned you. You walk, and you might be carried, and I\u2019m not talking to anybody about counseling today, so don\u2019t\u2013 (laughs) Don\u2019t take that personal. I\u2019m talking about some of you people that think you con<\/em> me. Sweet talk. And you walk fast when you go by me. Shit, you fools, you<\/em> don\u2019t know me. You don\u2019t know me. You underestimate this old fox, because when a fox\u2013 guy reach a point where he knows that he is\u2013 all is predicated upon principle, then he doesn\u2019t depend upon anybody. Doesn\u2019t have faith in people, but principle<\/em>. Don\u2019t have faith in anybody loving<\/em> him anymore than they can use<\/em> him, you\u2019ve got a dangerous but a most effective leader who\u2019ll look after you. You can know when I take care of you, I\u2019m not getting a fuckin\u2019 thing out of it. \u2018Cause I know that people won\u2019t do one goddamn thing for me any further than I can serve them. And that makes me very, very dependable. (Pause) Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Mmm-hmm. I get old, I wouldn\u2019t be wanted. That doesn\u2019t bother me in the slightest. Nothing bothers me anymore. You can name anything you want to do, it doesn\u2019t bother me. And that\u2019s what makes me exceedingly wise. Because I\u2019m always looking for angles. And uh, you can\u2019t get around them. And your little cliques and (unintelligible word) that try to usurp and uh, plot. Watch it. You just don\u2019t know who\u2019s got their eye on you. (Pause) Any question about that? \u2018Cause I always give you plenty of warning. Just watch it. Say I\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2019m gonna go back and I\u2019ll do this. Fuck that. I don\u2019t want to hear no more of it. I been through all that. We let folk take a walk, and we regretted it. They go up and down streets until they gonna die. They gonna keep on until they die. And some of \u2018em already have. They\u2019ve already been laid up in hospitals, and uh, they learn hard. But don\u2019t give me no more shit about, I will be good. The first place, you don\u2019t know what the fuck you will do when they slam you\u2013 We saw a man up here give an honest example, when they slam you up with some kind of charge, and it\u2019s you or us. The best, probably, which is probably accurate, Tim Stoen was praising me on the front pages of the paper on the first of October. I was a good man, a great man, most wonderful man, he esteemed me more than any man ever was on earth. Thirty days later, I\u2019m on an eyeball-to-eyeball course with the man. Now, what made the difference? Money? He\u2019s having to borrow money. We\u2019ve studied that. They\u2019re paying him damn little. What have they hung over his head? They\u2019ve got something. Then you say, I didn\u2019t do nothing. He didn\u2019t either. But they got something. They can make up something. And they hung it over his head and said, now, Stoen, you do this for us or\u2013 And if you don\u2019t, you go to jail. And he\u2013 little white ass was so important to him, he now risked trying to kill us all, \u2018cause I made it clear to him, I said, before I\u2019ll give you what you want, I\u2019ll die. And that child [John Victor Stoen] will not be yours. That is my child, it came out of my groin, because of what you put me through to save this cause. \u2018Cause of her [Grace Stoen] infamous threats. And what the hell she had on him<\/em>, which is clear as a bell now, was that goddamn transvesticism. And you need to\u2013 you need to take a look at that letter. We\u2019ve got copies of it. You need to read that fucking letter, in which she was gonna do this shit and that shit, they all fall in shape now. And then that\u2019s why I had to end up getting her<\/em> satisfied, so she wouldn\u2019t go out and tell all she\u2019d heard us talk about. Which was communism, nothing illegal or immoral, but all the kind of things that coulda damaged us. Five years<\/em> of money that we\u2019ve now gotten to give our children opportunity, they never woulda had that opportunity. May not be important to you, but it is to me. Our children are in the best place they could be in the goddamn world.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Our seniors have had the best opportunity of their life. We couldna picked a better place. And talk about Russia and God\u2013 all (unintelligible word) have God someplace else. I say, the weather-wise, what the world\u2019s doing to itself, snow clear up to the goddamn windows of hospitals at this time of the year in places where there shouldn\u2019t be any snow, I\u2019m telling you, we couldn\u2019t be in a better place than we are right now.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yeah. Calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And. And and and and and. If I hadn\u2019t gone through what I did with Mrs. Bitchy Stoen, I wouldna done it, but he<\/em> caused it, because he was walking up and down Santa Rosa in her expensive negligees, and buying wo\u2013 uh, women\u2019s dresses and wearing out on the street, and you don\u2019t believe it? We got a letter, we found it. We found the letter when she wrote me wanting me to do something about it. Well, I did something about it. And he knows what I did about it. And it cost me a pain in my heart and gave me a great opportunity to rear a revolutionary son. And then he gonna take that when he knows that I won\u2019t allow that? Because I\u2019m responsible for anything I take on. Not only if I bring you in, but if I adopt you, I\u2019m with you all the way. And it\u2019s never been my understanding how you can sacrifice people without sacrificing principle. And then he\u2019s gonna push me to save his ass from two years in jail? And you tell me you won\u2019t? And he cried, and said I\u2019ll come from any part in the world before I ever l\u2013 see that woman, and you oughta see his letter that he wrote, all the notes he made about how an unfit woman, how cruel she was. And that\u2019s just a few weeks ago he wrote that. Now they\u2019re site-to-side, not married, but he\u2019s out with prostitutes and men in town, she\u2019s out with them old fat ass man [Walter \u201cSmitty\u201d Jones], and they both look like hell warmed over. And all that mess\u2013 but all that changed in just a few weeks, and all I did for him. All I did\u2013 And then you tell me you\u2019re going back, and you will mind your business. Fuck you, I don\u2019t believe you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Exactly what the rest of them did.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And some of \u2018em didn\u2019t even have to do it. I believe some of you got a\u2013 you got character, you wouldn\u2019t\u2013 you wouldn\u2019t give out easily, but you don\u2019t know when they put you up against the wall and start threatening you with two-to-five years, or put a little pre\u2013 I\u2019m not\u2013 that\u2019s all they did, they didn\u2019t torture him. God forbid that they\u2019d tortured his little white ass. If they put a little pain on him, he\u2019da probably\u2013 he would\u2019ve done\u00ad\u2013 done it quicker<\/em>. So I\u2019m\u2013 you can understand why we\u2019re a little skeptical. Aren\u2019t we?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs of agreement<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We will talk about your visiting plans when we got our people where they belong. (Pause) You ought to look at my eyeballs, brothers, when I\u2019m talking about this. I get nervous when you don\u2019t pay attention when I\u2019m talking about this. (Pause) The first place, I can\u2019t understand why some of you who\u2019ve been here so long don\u2019t feel somewhat of a sickness when you think about anything back there. I don\u2019t see why you don\u2019t and\u2013 (unintelligible word) at first it takes a while, this adjustment or condition, we\u2019re like a bunch of goddamn guinea pigs, you know, we\u2019re conditioned. We\u2019re just used to things. It takes a time. When you\u2019ve been here weeks after weeks, and you think about Coca-Cola and then immediately you think of Coca-Cola, and know that Coca-Cola owns property in South Africa, where our people are in concentration camps. We know that Coca-Cola was involved in all the scandals in Vietnam, even the pushing of heroin. And all the shit that you think you miss, every one of them, you name them, they\u2019ve got their dirty\u2013<\/p>\n

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