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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Summary,\u00a0click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>,\u00a0Pt. 2<\/a>).
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I will not be taken by surprise again. Never. I\u2019m so completely<\/em> aware. Not minding living, enduring it for the sake of some mother who said uh, may you live long, Father. What she was saying was, may my protection live long. The sweet little lady that uh\u2013 that she could kill when she sees some of the things that I go through. And she wished me a long life, so that she would have protection while she lived. For that reason, I endure. But some of you are so absolutely stupid, your elitism is stupid, you make\u2013 you\u2013 you\u2019re stupid, you haven\u2019t changed. And I see<\/em> you haven\u2019t changed. And because I don\u2019t tell<\/em> you you haven\u2019t changed doesn\u2019t mean I don\u2019t know<\/em> you haven\u2019t changed.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I observe you so caustically, that before I see any more hell for this place, I\u2019ll take you with me. I\u2013 Now don\u2019t underestimate\u2013 don\u2019t underestimate me. Please don\u2019t. Difficult enough to live all day long, when you see absolutely all there is to life, and know that they add up to zero, when you\u2019re a principle-bearer. When you live for what you believe, and never betray, never let down anyone who trusts you, who looks to you. It\u2019s tough enough. And it\u2019s extremely difficult because some people absolutely, absolutely all the time trying games. You don\u2019t know who you\u2019re talking to. The person you are talking to may have been sent there by me. You don\u2019t know a thing of what you\u2019re doing. You don\u2019t know how many I\u2019m watching now. I don\u2019t mind. Hell, life is difficult enough, because I\u2019m tried of seeing little ladies like this hurt. (Pause) You understand what I mean?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do we understand each other clearly?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So don\u2019t think that the old man is asleep. You go by and you\u2013 you look at him out of the side of your\u2013 your eye to see if he watches you. He isn\u2019t missing a thing. [He] Knows where you are all the time. I hope you\u2019re enjoying your toes, over there. I don\u2019t. (Pause) Keep your hands off your toes in this meeting. (Pause) If there\u2019s anything in your toes, we\u2019ll find it later, in the medical meeting or someplace. Don\u2019t be picking your toes, not in here. I don\u2019t give a damn, but that\u2019s arrogance. Which leads to problems, of arrogance for others and anarchy for others. And anarchy leads to my little ladies like that worrying about whether they\u2019re gonna be protected. And of course, I know some children don\u2019t care, because they\u2019re arrogant, too. But some children do. Some children forget how dangerous it is out there, without somebody that is so committed as Father. Some people forget mistakes more quickly than I do. I won\u2019t forget. Not until you change. Then I completely forget. Others will remember it and use it against you when they\u2019re doing something. But when you change, I completely forget. But when you haven\u2019t, fucker, I\u2019m watching you. I\u2019m watching you, and next time, ain\u2019t gonna be no tomorrow. I mean that. Don\u2019t pull no shit with me. Don\u2019t slip any kind of shit. I\u2019m onto you. I\u2019ve got revolutionary committees on to you. I\u2019ve got a defense for the revolution here, because a few more weeks, and future can be bright for our children. I don\u2019t give a goddamn. I don\u2019t give a continental shit<\/em>, personally. But I care a lot<\/em> about those out there. So much that some of you aren\u2019t able to care at all. Goddamn, I\u2019ve been on the line so many times here in the past days, for other people, not knowing whether tomorrow came, because I was committed to see that nobody was drug ass out of here. Now some of you don\u2019t identify with that. Your tomorrows come and you go, because you don\u2018t have yourself intricately connected with anybody else. You\u2019re not connected. You never get\u2013 you never get concerned that much with anybody else. Some of you do. You make uh, hope at least for tomorrow. I\u2019d like to say to you, if you cause me any difficulty at all, you better talk more, you better stay away from other people that\u2019ve caused trouble. And you better get yourself up here in the front line, so I can watch you. And you better not object to that. Because some of you motherfuckers nearly destroyed this organization.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You nearly caused a thousand deaths.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So goddamnit, you deserve to let your life be tested. I didn\u2019t need mine tested. I\u2019ve had all kinds of tests, and each of you compound me\u2013 my test over and over again, by your own bullshit. Some are hiding behind no poles, better get your face out here, because I\u2019m watching you, \u2018cause some of you fuckers tried to kill me.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I mean, literally. I know when you did it. I know when you tried to kill me, fucker. And you know who I\u2019m talking to. I know when you tried to do it. I\u2019m warning\u2013 I\u2019m aware of you fuckers. Anybody else\u2019d cut your throat. So to watch you they cut your throat.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So I\u2013 I\u2019m gonna take a healthy look. But quit underestimating me. You may not believe in anything, but one goddamn thing you want to believe in, that this mind is more prepared to know what the hell\u2019s going on than anybody. \u2018Cause he doesn\u2019t trust anybody.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t trust one mother fucker. I trust communism, and I trust no motherfucker, and listen, Mr. Chaikin, little Chaikin, you be listening to me. I\u2019m tired of you looking down. You\u2019re a participant here, you\u2019re not an elite. So you keep your head up this way. I don\u2019t miss one goddamn thing. I want you just to please realize that. (Pause) Contrary to uh, those who are selfish<\/em> and narcissistic, who may question my<\/em> direction, I\u2019ve got my direction completely, because I have no ambition, no self-image to maintain. President, the dear lady said. (Scoffs) I couldn\u2019t even relate to it. Who would want to be president? Who would want to sell out. You have to sell out to be president. I don\u2019t see a political system today that you don\u2019t have to sell out too much for Jim Jones. I don\u2019t have\u2013 I don\u2019t have any ambition for any of it. It\u2019s all way, way gone. All gone. I can\u2019t relate to it at all. No effort for me to give it up, because I wouldn\u2019t want it. I wouldn\u2019t want to relate to the kind of people you have to relate to. The news over the\u2013 over the radio, they gave us just a little bit ago, that Congress just sided, in spite of being a Democratic Congress, just sided with big business, totally, to deprive black people, poor people of their rights. It said it just\u2013 the headlines of the Chronicle<\/em>, which of course we know how\u2013 how marvelously truthful that paper is. So it\u2019s probably even worse that they tell it. That the special interest, [Ralph] Nader said, and of course they went along and said a few remarks about Nader, but Nader said the special interests have taken over the country, and that there\u2019s just no hope for the poor<\/em> man anymore, there\u2019s no hope that he\u2019s gonna get his way or his rights, because no one gives a damn, they don\u2019t give a care. And Congress, even though it\u2019s Democratic, has aligned itelf with the worst interests of corrupt right-wing elements and big business. So, Jesus Christ, who would want to do that? I can\u2019t imagine anybody who\u2019d want to live in America and turn on the TV and know that you were participating with it.<\/p>\n

But some of you have the problem. (Pause) Some of you have a problem that you miss things that are in the United States. I don\u2019t miss anything. Nothing but a graveyard. I don\u2019t miss a goddamn thing. And so, I don\u2019t know how to relate to you people. That makes me very, very sound, and you are the one that\u2019s going to have to prove your stability. \u2018Cause I\u2019m very stable. I have no need for anything. Absolutely nothing. You have needs. So watch out. I\u2019ve got you\u2013 I\u2019ve got an advantage on you. I may not be as uh, good-looking, I may not be as educated, I may not be as young, but I\u2019ve got an advantage on you. I\u2019m in a place of consciousness that you are not. I need nothing. Nothing. I got a whole lot of people that need me. That makes me very, very responsible, \u2018cause I care more than anybody ever has cared.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No question about that, don\u2019t even need to debate it, don\u2019t care whether you agree, I know. I\u2019ve watched people. I\u2019ve watched all the experiments of time. I\u2019ve watched the people who\u2019ve come and gone on the human (tape distortion for one word). I\u2019ve watched those who\u2019ve led, even this great man, uh, George Jackson, that uh, caused many a poet\u2013 to poetries to come forth and writings. I appreciate that. But he said, I love my brother more than I love myself. And I thought, uh-oh, George, you and I are millions of miles apart. That was\u2013 uh, you lost<\/em> me there. You did a great thing, but you shouldn\u2019t\u2019ve said I love my brother better than you love yourself. \u2018Cause I don\u2019t relate to that love of self. That\u2019s a bullshit thing out of a Christian consciousness. \u2018Cause you shouldn\u2019t love yourself. Shouldn\u2019t love yourself at all. I know Western psychology says you should, but I say you shouldn\u2019t love yourself. When I see a totally indulgent people that do love themselves. I don\u2019t love myself. That makes me what\u2013 That\u2019s why I\u2019m so critical<\/em> of myself. I don\u2019t love the manifestations of selfishness I see. And that\u2019s why I\u2019m so critical of you<\/em>. Now I know Western civilization says you\u2019re supposed to come to terms with yourself and love yourself, otherwise you\u2019ll disintegrate. That (tape distorts) pablum. Now will you give me a microphone, darling, that will work here, because something\u2019s going wrong with this every time I turn it. And I have to hold it just right. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

That\u2019s pablum. Pablum for weak people, who say they have to have uh, a self-image, they\u2019ve got to love themselves. They got to believe in themselves. I don\u2019t believe in nothing except communism, and none of us come up to the standard of communism. I\u2019m the closest to it. Not a one of you come up to it. You sing a song, \u201cI\u2019m a Socialist today,\u201d I want to puke. You\u2019re not a socialist today. There\u2019s not a handful<\/em> of socialists in here today. One thing you ought to be singing, you don\u2019t ever want to sing, \u201dI need you, Father, I need you.\u201d \u2018Cause you don\u2019t know how, you don\u2019t know how to make it. You don\u2019t know a fuck<\/em> about socialism. One young woman got up and said socialism in Russia and China (unintelligible word) disappear. She was so right. The air of the place where you\u2019re not is always brighter to so many of you. In Russia, it\u2019d be wonderful. In Cuba, it\u2019s ideal. Back in America, you couldn\u2019t make it. You can\u2019t make it. You gone cause trouble for everybody. You\u2019re gonna cause trouble and get<\/em> trouble, in the end, won\u2019t be able to endure it. If I let you do your thing, you\u2019d hurt your own\u2013 your own children, you\u2019d kill \u2018em. You\u2019d destroy your own companions, and then finally when you<\/em> were about to be destroyed, you couldn\u2019t stand it, you\u2019d fall apart, because you\u2019d be so self-indulged. So you need me, fucker.<\/p>\n

And I don\u2019t care whether you recognize it or not. We\u2019re on this little mountain now, and uh, what principle has brought together, let no man tear asunder. Because we have to save, there\u2019re a lot of folk who are having a hell of a lot of tump\u2013 trouble. Lots of trouble. Being harassed, our dogs being shot and poisoned. I don\u2019t burden you with every fucking thing. Mean, mean motherfuckers. Now some folk want out of that shit are begging, who can be next, who can be\u2013 I have to go over the list tonight, till it\u2019s painful to decide who can come and who can\u2019t come now, and who must come first and who must not. That\u2019s real rough. While I have to watch you fuckers. Boy, talk about living life. Wanting to commit suicide. Now that\u2013 that was\u2013 that was bad enough, I had that 25 years ago, but now I gotta live life and watch sneaks, pricks. Bad enough to wanting to commit suicide, and then have to watch a bunch of sneaks all the time. Keep your eye on them every fuckin\u2019 goddamn minute. Don\u2019t you worry, I haven\u2019t lost my mind. You\u2019ve<\/em> lost yours. That\u2019s why I have to watch you. You\u2019ve lost your fucking mind. Selfish. Indulged<\/em>. You never change. You refuse to make any\u2013 any conditions, whereby you will change. You have com\u2013 comforts that others don\u2019t have, and you feel all right about it. Never bothers you. You have conveniences, and you take them, and it never once comes to you, that you have no right to them. In fact, you ought to be kissing the dirt, because you\u2019ve done so much to hurt. Very strange. Very strange how some people keep their conceit. I\u2019m surrounded with them. Conceited people. People who forget medicines, and so vital to the\u2013 medicine so vital that to our people here with seizures, that today we find ourselves with no medicines. Elitist, insensitive people. God damn. It\u2019s a good thing I love you. It\u2019s a good thing I love you, I\u2019d kill some of you.<\/p>\n

Today, one brother has two seizures because no Dilantin. And what the hell is this. And people want to make a big issue about open sores, the poor sores, we\u2019re not getting enough bandages, and not enough gauzes. Well, who pays for that shit? Somehow, the medical system\u2019s priority is poor. Worrying about gauzes, when you can learn a few sanitary methods that can clean the sores and they\u2019ll heal without expending all the gauzes. Somehow, your priorities stink. Because you can forget Dilantin and worry about gauzes. Somehow, you make me sick. I don\u2019t know why. Shit, I could go into every department and probe it open like a cancer. Sick. Where do we go from here. Got no place to go. Any thing\u2013 Any kind of retreat would be uh, destruction to every soul that may be out there that\u2019s like a Jonathan\u2013 like a Jonathan Jackson trying. There\u2019s one thing that\u2019s been able to keep Dennis Banks\u2019 world together, and he\u2019s about to fall apart now, about to simply fall apart because of all the conniving elements, the Treasury Department\u2019s on his ass, and the Governor [Jerry] Brown even spoke out on his behalf and then was backed off in a corner, Governor Brown said I have absolute information that he\u2019s in the\u2013 he is in the most dangerous position in America, and uh, that he has been\u2013 tried to be used, evidently he was referring to us, as a part of a conspiracy against others who were sensitive to human beings, and they backed him off in a corner, the attorney general [Evelle Younger], the courts, whipped him back, and the FBI and everybody whipped him back, until he said, Dennis, we are hardly a\u2013 hardly able to hold on, the one thing he held on to was my promise. And what\u2019s my promise? Not for you to know, fucker. \u2018Cause you\u2019re liable to go over the hill, and I don\u2019t want to have to kill you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013(unintelligible word) stern. I have to be stern. And I don\u2019t believe you love. I don\u2019t give a shit whether you do or not. I\u2019ve proven my love. What have you done lately, fucker? That\u2019s already an established fact. I don\u2019t give a shit whether you believe in my love or not. I don\u2019t give a fuck. That\u2019s like a little dog baying at the moon. See, I\u2019m completely aware of myself and know where I fall short, and that I fall short of communism, but you fall much further short than I. And I look out there, and I look at some of you talking about me, and thinking about me in your minds, \u2018cause I get in your swamp of mind occasionally, and it\u2019s like a little dog baying at the moon. That\u2019s about where you got any right to be baying at me. You have so little right to be working on me. When you start working on yourself, fucker, I\u2019ll be glad to get all of your helpful hints. Myriad pages of how to improve everything in this whole cotton-pickin\u2019 community. We can improve everything but yourself. I say, if you want to send us a\u2013 any instruction, please put a criticism. You think anybody can remember that? Two days. Two days, they remember it. And after two days, nobody can think of one goddamn word to criticize themselves. Everything wrong with the blu\u2013 fucking place, but nothing wrong with them.<\/p>\n

Well, as I said, I know what\u2019s wrong with me, and I sure know what\u2019s wrong with you. And I just wanted to clear up the air. \u2018Cause I\u2019m watching these days. Don\u2019t pull no shit. Because I\u2019m ready for it now. I\u2019ve come too far, been through too much hell, had hell up to my neck, don\u2019t start no shit. I watch your racism and your stand-offishness, I watch your family clannishness and how you pull apart, I watch what you think you got in reserve, and I know what you want to do, I know you are American sell-out, I know you one of them Yankee pigs. I know you really want to be out there in that pigsty. And I\u2019m watching you. And I don\u2019t have no respect for Yankee pigs. Just as soon cut their throat and roast \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> How quiet it gets, \u2018cause you know I got your number tonight.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> How quiet it gets.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013Like all those folks that\u2019ve done what they\u2019ve done in Bolivia, and what they\u2019ve done to George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson. And I don\u2019t like those fuckers. And I don\u2019t like anybody that associates with them. If you\u2019re in a pigsty, you want to be in a pigsty, you deserve to be roasted.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And all you crazies. I want to say something to all you crazies. You fucking manipulating crazies. Ain\u2019t no such thing as crazy. We\u2019ve proved that today with one of you over there. How well you can work, when by God, you know somebody gonna give you a karate punch in your gut. Crazy, bombed-out, don\u2019t know shit, and talking to uh\u2013 and hearing voices, and then all of a sudden, the voices stop. When you see that shotgun, your fucking voices stop. Fuck these crazies. I don\u2019t believe in you crazies. You\u2019re selfish, Momma\u2019s little pets<\/em>. Little white ass. I\u2019m on to your games, so cut your crazy shit. Don\u2019t go\u2013 nobody go crazy, don\u2019t nobody go apeshit. We got one black lady and one white brother that\u2019s wants to go crazy all the time. Honey, I ain\u2019t gone let you go crazy. Said she tried to go crazy the other day, and got terribly, terribly sick. And you\u2019re gonna get sicker, too. You\u2019re gone get sick every time you try to go crazy. Every time you do some mean shit, you\u2019re gonna get a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more. \u2018Cause I can move on every level. It is a terrible way for a loving father to have to talk. But it\u2019s also terrible\u2013 It\u2019s also so goddamn terrible that this\u2013 this medical department would set ass and not have any medicines in here for seizures. Hmm. Well\u2013
\n(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013any number of things. Also terrible as the sister here. I don\u2019t know what the\u2013 if it\u2019s as it is. I just wanted to say a few words, \u2018cause sometimes you think oh, I know only what I\u2013 what I read in the papers, these little notes. I just wanted to set your mind at ease. Ain\u2019t one of you I\u2019m not on to. You\u2019re quiet, and you\u2019re silent, and you smile. I was eating tonight, and one woman that was trying to watch what I was eating. You won\u2019t even let me\u2013 You won\u2019t even let me sit all the way over, you watch. You want to see\u2013 I eat once a day, dear. If you want to come over and put your nose in it, you can smell it. I eat once a day. And I was glad to do that less than that, \u2018cause I\u2019m not worth a meal, neither are you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013hours of sleep last night and over, and I finally give up on it, \u2018cause folk come up with every little thing in the world, and some of the things were important, and some things weren\u2019t, but I treated everybody the same way. I was not short with the individual. You didn\u2019t find anybody short\u2013 that I was short with yesterday. And today, I have a little pyloric distress and a little blood sugar problem, I got a pyloric uh, growth that I\u2019ve been fighting with for a while, and spasms or whatever in the hell it is, that kinks when I get it a certain state of tension, then everything backs up so I taste every filthy thing that should be digesting. Even stuff in my bowel tastes like\u2013 So it doesn\u2019t make life the most uh\u2013 the most enjoyable, but my mind is very alert, because I love you. And I never get in too much pain that I don\u2019t love you. In spite of the fact that some of you sleep here when you\u2019re not sick at all. Now shift yourself so you can wake up. Shift yourselves so you can wake up. We start the meeting with a complaint, some of you start complaining right off the meeting, and then sleep the rest of the meeting. (Pause) Now you can be seated. (Pause) When she uh, comes, she\u2019d been on\u2013<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013living in it. And if you wa\u00ad\u2013 want to know if somebody\u2019s watching you, yes. Somebody\u2019s watching you. And you ain\u2019t doing nothing, you ain\u2019t got nothing to worry about.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause people watching me all day long, as I said, they would be over here, down the road, thinking\u2013 acting like they\u2019re doing something, cleaning around, but they\u2019re watching and trying to see what\u2019s in my plate. So if people watching me, why shouldn\u2019t they watch you?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. (Scattered applause.)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> When you\u2019re doing nothing wrong, won\u2019t bother you. I don\u2019t seem to find Eddie Washington\u2019s uh, little note here. Got all my shit together, except these notes. Some note. It\u2019s a little note.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013all the fucking time, no work, I never see him. Where\u2013 where\u2013 where\u2019s (unintelligible name). She\u2019s sick. She\u2019s sick, she\u2019s sick, \u2019cause she got an education, she can afford to be sick. Some of these other poor people never been able to read or write, they never get sick. She got a little education, think\u2013 she thinks she\u2019s a little more important<\/em> than somebody else, so she can get sick every time she wants to get sick. Fuck you, elitist. God damn you, I never\u2013 never<\/em> allow myself to get sick. If I\u2019m pitching vomit or it\u2019s coming out both ends, I get to where I\u2019m supposed to be. I work all night. Everybody down there can tell you, they can hear me roaming around, they can see my light reading, look in the goddamn window, which they do many times, so you can see what\u2019s going on, so I don\u2019t mind that, friend, I\u2019m gone tell you. I keep my schedule, fucker. I don\u2019t change my schedule for nobody, fucker. And some of you who think you are so special, goddamn you, that you can stay out of meetings and do whatever the hell you want to, and not show up for work, you\u2019re always sick. You\u2019re sick. I tell you what your sickness is, you\u2019re a prejudiced bastard that thinks you\u2019re better than somebody else.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Voice climbs throughout) Shit. You\u2019re a crock of shit, like everybody else. Nothing but a zero, but some of you never will know it, because\u2013 I don\u2019t know how in the hell you think you\u2019re so fucking pretty. (Pause) And some of you try treason on the strangest people. Goddamn, you don\u2019t know. You\u2019re so fucking ugly, some of you, and you\u2013 I don\u2019t know\u2013 You\u2019re\u2013 you\u2019re uglier than I am, and you try treason. Think that you\u2019re gone get by with it, think I\u2019m not on to your number. Hell\u2019s fire. You don\u2019t know who you\u2019re fucking with. They say something to you to get you to say something. You don\u2019t know what they\u2019re up to. They\u2019re baiting you, fucker, dumb fucker, stupid fucker, I\u2019ve told them to go over there and talk<\/em> to you, you stupid fucker, and some of you are so narcissistic, you fall right into the path. You open your mouth and sing like a magpie, and I got what I already expected, I thought you was a traitor, and I still think you\u2019re a traitor, and you\u2019ll always be a traitor until I see you change, you motherfucker.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013be watching you. I don\u2019t care. You do like for me to see that you get medical care when you\u2019re sick. Goddamn, you like that. You like me to send you to all these specialists and worry about you, until I can\u2019t have any peace, worrying whether they\u2013 I\u2019m gonna get the cancer healed by my, whatever the fuck the thing is, this extra power that I have. And then get \u2018em all healed in a row, and one right after another this week. Next week, you say, oh, it\u2019s gone be easy. Aw, shit, though, I know too much about myself to know it\u2019s gone be easy. But I\u2019m glad for some good cases this week. We had a hell of a lot of trouble in there. We had Amelia Tardy with cancer on the cervix. We had Rose Peterson with cancer in the thyroid, spread throughout her body. And I\u2019m forgetting somebody. We had a baby with a\u2013 a mother with a dead baby inside her. And all kinds of complications. All those complications (unintelligible word). I\u2019m missing somebody. Christian [likely Robert] with a bladder, your last Peoples Rally, I said, I don\u2019t know what\u2013 I turn around and said, I don\u2019t know what the fuck I said that to Linda, I gotta keep that word, I\u2019ve gotta make that so. I\u2019ve gotta make that so. Yeah, a liver with a\u2013 a\u2013 a bl\u2013 a liver swelling and uh, uh, some kind of a obstruction of the liver. And it\u2019s all taken of. She told me today, the doctor was just\u2013 uh, just simply uh, dumbfounded. Dumbfounded. He said that uh, fantastic, amazing, I don\u2019t know. I know of the one doctor that saw Rose Peterson, he said, I\u2019m amazed, I\u2019m perplexed. Said your\u2013 your\u2013 your pastor has (unintelligible word) done it, he (unintelligible word) this about us, so she got her healing. She on the boat coming in tonight.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs, then applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Nonetheless. You like me to do that. You like me to look after things like that. So I\u2019m gonna have to look after every other thing.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I just want to be sure you\u2019re fair, \u2018cause I know how special some people are with you. You get close, folk\u2013 and I wish every coordinator, and I hope every one of my children, every one of my secretaries, every official can see it. (tape edit) People don\u2019t like you. They\u2019re using you. They only get close to you so that they can pull some shit<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I know why they\u2019re close to me. I got people still<\/em> trying to get close to me, so they won\u2019t have to do<\/em> a goddamn thing. I won\u2019t have to work. (Pause) Well, leave it as it is.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And some who are close to me haven\u2019t got the sense. You\u2019re a supervisor, you\u2019re a coordinator, you\u2019re a member of the PC, Planning Commission or the Steering Committee or coordinator, and you don\u2019t know shit, you don\u2019t know what they\u2019re doing, would you?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Goddamn stupid\u2013 you\u2019re stupid. I can see why they\u2019re trying to get close to you. They don\u2019t care about you. They don\u2019t care about me, and I\u2019ve long since proven nobody\u2019s\u2013 uh, nobody cares about me<\/em>. Not very far, not very far. And then gets ready to call some real sacrifices, the handful to do it, and then it\u2019s not me they care about, it\u2019s communism they care about. They get around that thing of uh, personality concern. It\u2019s a principle concern. But goddamn, how some of you can be so stupid, when you\u2019ve seen me get people out of jail<\/em> and save their ass<\/em> and go through the pain I\u2019ve gone through with people like Tim Stoen and Grace Stoen and a lot of others, even more complex situations. I forget \u2018em. Hell, I have to live, I don\u2019t want to remember all that shit. But the people I\u2019ve got out of trouble and how they forget<\/em>. Save their fuckin\u2019 life. Save their ass.<\/p>\n

And they forget<\/em>. Jack Arnold Beam, take him for example, I went through shit and almost went to jail, obstructing justice\u2013 justice, and that fuckin\u2019 DA hates me [to] this day, and probably gonna level a charge because Tim\u2019s dodged ball now and got out of trouble temporarily by selling us all out. He hates me and hated me ever since the day I stood up and said, now, if you do anything to Jack Arnold Beam, you\u2019re gonna have to deal with all of us. And I\u2019m not accustomed be\u2013 uh, approached that way. He said, you\u2019re obstructing justice. That wasn\u2019t the word he used, but it was the same thing. And what did Jack Arnold do when I got his record clear? He left the fucking church that minute. Prick, no-account, son-of-a-bitching miserable prick<\/em>. I don\u2019t give a goddamn. I love his mother [Rheaviana Beam], I love his sister [Eleanor Beam], (stumbles over words) I don\u2019t give a shit, I don\u2019t even think of them as brothers and sister, \u2018cause blood don\u2019t mean a thing here. When you get someplace, you get over that blood shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The only thing we gotta develop is a extenu\u2013 extenu\u2013 extended family, then we have more Jonathan Jacksons. You oughta be thinking about any\u2013 all of these are our sisters or brothers. Our unique characteristic that Jonathan and George didn\u2019t have, and some of you do have. I can think of Jonathan as my son<\/em>. And every Jonathan in the world oughta think of every person in that prison as their brother<\/em>. Everyone facing those conditions as their brother, but some of you are so fuckin\u2019 blooden\u2013 you nauseate me. You can\u2019t even get away\u2013 You oughta\u2013 you oughta set apart. You oughta set apart, you ought never\u2013 no blood people ought to ever set together. In fact, I\u2019m making a law right now. None.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible word) and a couple, three move right quick. And some others. I guess you think you\u2019re exception. I said nobody. Blood say\u2013 blood oughta be broken up. It\u2019s a miserable sick goddamn obnoxious<\/em> disease.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Pull out. Until they earn it. \u2018Cause they carried on a fucking sexual mess, and got children by accident. And if they did it by plan, they were really vulgar. Cruel, inhuman and sadistic. So I damn you either way. If you plan<\/em> to bring children, you were selfish. If you didn\u2019t plan, you were selfish. Either way, you were selfish. \u2018Cause the only way you coulda be unselfish was to ask that baby before it was born \u2013 and you can\u2019t do<\/em> that \u2013 did you want to come. And all of us woulda said, that had any sense, no.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shit, and who wouldn\u2019t. They got a right mind, they\u2019d say, no, I don\u2019t want to come. Fuck you, Mom. Fuck you, Dad. Why don\u2019t you fuck each other\u2019s asshole and stay out of the vaginas, and get the penises away from the\u2013 the vaginas, so there\u2019ll be no fertilization. You pricks laying around here and layin\u2019 up so quick. Goddamn, it\u2019s very, very difficult. You gotta really realize what you\u2019re doing. Yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, you oughta hated him. Now tell me something bad you did. Goddamn, you people ought not to feel bad about hating the Father, after I have uh, taught.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013I would not do to anybody what has been done to me. But if they\u2019d needed me and depended upon me, I wouldn\u2019t let them down. And I could tell you a lot of mistakes I made until I came to that degree of zero. The old religious world, I said, crucified. \u2018Cause that\u2019s what you had to understand. (Pause) Well, hell, come on now, Lee (tape edit) and take me slowly out by just a little pins. Little pins that put paper dolls together. I would gladly take that to what I\u2019m living under. I would take it by choice. Do you hear me? If anyone wanted to light a match tonight and hold it till I burned up, I would (Cries out) welcome it, for the hell you put me through.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

Woman 1<\/strong>: I thought that uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Man 1 in crowd<\/strong>: (unintelligible) what did you do wrong\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Speaks quickly, angrily) \u2013to shoot me, would not be able to poison me, would not be able to stab me, would not be able to kill me. But you people kill me in this fucking goddamn meeting.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Light applause<\/p>\n

Tape edit<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calms) \u2013From the blackboard, guilt by Mrs. Mitchell\u2013 Miss Mitchell. She taught me a lot about lots of things. She taught me sh\u2013 about meanness, too. She was mean as hell, religious as hell. But I remember it, it was just before the summer before I went to school, five years of age. Now, come on, honey. What did your\u2013 Hardly got her out (unintelligible word) sit down.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I had 800 people that didn\u2019t know anymore about what they had done wrong than you. I would personally\u2013 I don\u2019t know what I\u2019d do to torture myself, because I would\u2019ve made the biggest mistake in the whole world. I\u2019m glad that there\u2019s a black woman that can write a poetry like this, and there\u2019s five or six young people and older that can begin to look at themselves from being under discipline and insecurity, but if I had 800 people that could not tell me one goddamn miserable thing they did wrong, I would\u2019ve made a big mistake. And I wonder, how close to that big mistake I\u2019ve come. I\u2019ve heard a lot of\u2013 I\u2019ve heard a\u2013 I want to tell you, I\u2019ve heard a lot of sleazy ass shit here tonight about what they\u2019re done wrong. I heard one woman nail it straight. She two-timed her husband, while he was in the service. I\u2019ve heard a lot of sleazy ass shit about what they\u2019ve done wrong tonight. I\u2019ve done this, and I\u2019ve done that, and I\u2013 I haven\u2019t heard\u2013 I haven\u2019t heard enough straight talk.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> From you?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If you have, you better point it out, because somehow you\u2019re too self-conscious in this place about telling us what you\u2019ve done that was wrong. Shouldn\u2019t be. Now we gotta clean our houses and we gotta go. We gotta do\u2013 get up tomorrow and make it uh, the cabinet visitor, government visitors. Goodness knows how many. And what hour. We know round the nine o\u2019clock hour, we gotta be ready. Yes, brother.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All people are going to report to, with all the crews\u2013<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013marvelous terrestrial area we have here. Someone rode up here and said\u2013 said to me that they (unintelligible word), I woudna come here if I\u2019d known all these snakes around here. Jesus Christ. When have you seen one?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> When have you seen one? If you stay here and don\u2019t try to run away, there\u2019s no snakes out there bothers you, nobody\u2013 no snake ever come in here and bother nobody. Say, I just can\u2019t sleep at night. Father, you\u2019ll have to help me. Oh, I hate to call on your spirit, she wrote. Hate to call on your spirit, but you\u2019ll have to help me now since I know there\u2019s snakes out there, since they brought them big snakes in from the jungle. I\u2013 You didn\u2019t tell it to us. I\u2013 You liar. I told you plain as the goddamn nose on your face there were snakes there, but I said, there\u2019s no snakes in here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Just like there was no mosquitoes, and they\u2019ve been. We\u2019ve had a whole period of (unintelligible word), we\u2019ve had none. They come and go based on your goddamn attitudes.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Sure as hell did. Just because two kids run out there and find a bunch of goddamn snakes and don\u2019t realize it. Sure, if you go out to that jungle, you try to get out of here, you\u2019re gonna run into everything. Snakes, tigers, cougars, you run into every fucking thing. I never told you otherwise. Caiman, eat you up in one bite. I told you all along \u2018bout them goddamn big\u2013 I did too. Now I remember. I told two kids, I was gonna send them to the back side of the property and gonna have back there with the big cobra, or where the big boas were.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I sure as hell did.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Don\u2019t tell me I didn\u2019t tell you. (unintelligible word) there been no snake crawling in here. Nobody\u2019s ever gotten bit. It\u2019s a damn miracle.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They\u2019re out there thick\u2013 We\u2013 Where you see us bring them in here, we\u2019ve eaten \u2018em, and how long are they? Eight feet, ten foot, we\u2019ve brought the fuckers in, one bite, and that\u2019s all. None of \u2018em\u2019s ever come in here. Not one of you ever been bitten. Run through that jungle, cutting and clearing the land, and none of you been bitten. Three and half years, nothing. No\u2013 going nearly four years. I don\u2019t know what\u2019s the matter with some people. Why don\u2019t you be grateful? Set there worrying about a snake, can\u2019t sleep because a snake coming in. That\u2019s something to worry about. Jesus, that\u2019s all I wish I had to worry about. I wish a fuckin\u2019 snake would<\/em> come, and he won\u2019t come. We oughta had\u2013 you oughta had our<\/em> worry. Some of us wish one\u2013 one would come. Then we wouldn\u2019t be our problem. We\u2013 we wouldn\u2019t be responsible. Fuckin\u2019 snake come in, and bite us at night, then hell, it wouldn\u2019t be our problem. We didn\u2019t lay down our life. But we can\u2019t find no fuckin\u2019 snake. Snakes ignore us. (Laughs softly) No since I\u2019d\u2013 no\u2013 no snake\u2019s gonna kill<\/em> us. So we got no way around it, \u2018cause we\u2019re too responsible to commit suicide. Wouldn\u2019t do it. Got any guts at all, you wouldn\u2019t do it. If you do, goddamn it, I\u2013 I got power, I\u2019ll bring you back. I promise I won\u2019t if you been\u2013 behave yourself. You have to write me\u2013 write up special if you want to be brought back. If you live and tried to do right, I won\u2019t bring you back. I can do it. \u2018Cause I know I can do it. I\u2019m not kidding you. I don\u2019t understand this messed-up universe, but I did it with that Pearson child. Sure as fuck did it. Wasn\u2019t the Pearson child. (tape edit) \u2013killed her kids. Broke their hearts. Hung herself for one man, in front of those kids, and they had to come in and find it. I brought him back. I said, he\u2019d be a boy. And I said he\u2019ll be rejected by his mother. And his mother give him away. Walked away from him. Turned him\u2013 Turned her back on him, she just didn\u2019t have no use for him, wouldn\u2019t take care of it. Wouldn\u2019t be responsible for him. So fuck with me and try it if you\u2013 But most of you shouldn\u2019t even have to have that. You wouldn\u2019t want to commit suicide because you\u2019d hurt somebody. But nobody cares\u2013 (unintelligible word) hell, you can\u2019t\u2013 you can\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t care if you got no children, nobody, you can\u2019t do it without hurting somebody. Right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Okay, then\u2013 what\u2013 what\u2019s all this. You people gonna confess, or no. The urine\u2019s just obviously obstructed. And I say, don\u2019t worry, to the mother, you all heard it. Say, there\u2019ll be no problem. Mass will be gone. All problems, whatever they are, they\u2019ll be gone. The people who stayed behind, I said, do you have any idea of what that took out of me to say it. But I needed to relieve her mind, \u2018cause she was going off to a conference, and then we get the news. It\u2019s a mighty savior.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You think on it, think on it right now. Any last moment announcement that needs to be made? We\u2019ll get up at the usual time because we\u2019ll be off at\u2013 by noon at least. And then (sighs) if the chaps arrive, it\u2019ll be earlier.<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

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