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This tape was transcribed by Adrian Whicker. The<\/em> editors gratefully acknowledge his invaluable assistance.<\/em><\/b><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Summary,\u00a0click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>,\u00a0Pt. 2<\/a>).
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Jones<\/strong>: Attention.<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

[Part 1: Speaking before crowd]<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2013five man in his fifties, with a salt and pepper hair, and dark skin. Well, this was all right. Everything went along cool, woman was considered of sound mind, was going to be the one sole witness. So, they finally got ahold of [James Earl] Ray, and found him after he\u2019d fled from Lisbon back to London, and made the extradition order, you know what that means, to\u2013 they have to get an order to another country to get a person brought back to the country they want<\/em> them. And it has to be a sound kind of extradition order. The drunk, uh, he couldn\u2019t testify, he was too drunk on that day, he couldn\u2019t testify at all. She took one look at the picture, Grace Walden did, took one look\u2013 you hear me in that second school pavilion? Okay. She took one look at the picture, she said this is not<\/em> the man. I insist<\/em> he\u2019s not the man, he\u2019s 5\u20195\u201d, whereas James Earl Ray was 39 years of age, light complected, and five foot eleven. That<\/em> time the pol\u2013 the homicide\u2013 police homicide got so PO\u2019d at her, they sent her to General Hospital. The FBI did too. After much dickering, they couldn\u2019t get anything out of her, she wouldn\u2019t go along with it, they finally labeled her as mentally insane, hallucinating that she was a witness to the murder of Martin Luther King, and they had paraded her as a witness according to the Memphis [Press-]Scimitar<\/em> reporter whose name was uh, [Wayne] Chastain, and he\u2019s now a uh, lawyer and uh, served as a judge in Memphis, he said that the woman was quite accurate, and all his record was the same, and he give evidence to all this situation. Well, they finally gave\u2013 according to this\u2013 this Memphis Scimitar<\/em> reporter who\u2019s now a lawyer, Chastain, they gave this false witness $100,000 and all<\/em> the booze for the last ten years he\u2019s needed to lie and say that it was James Earl Ray, and he was\u2013 he had\u2013 he said he was there, they held him up staggering<\/em> to sign the extradition order. She<\/em> was moved from one place to another, and spent the last ten years of her life in a mental hospital, and the notation on her records said, by order of the p\u2013 uh, Memphis homicide and FBI, she is not<\/em> to be released until the matter of Martin Luther King\u2019s death and assassination has been closed. Now if that isn\u2019t pretty goddamn strong evidence of a conspiracy on that alone, I don\u2019t know what it is. Well, finally, Mark Lane, who helped the man coming here, or rather the\u2013 our man\u2013 he helped him<\/em> write Rush to Judgment<\/em>. Our man coming is D\u2013 Don Freed, who says we\u2019re<\/em> the victim of conspiracy. Apparently, after risking going to jail, Mark Lane who\u2019s the attorney, and Don Freed, have learned later \u2013 they\u2019re putting the patches together with our own notes from Stateside \u2013 that uh, they\u2019ve got<\/em> this woman, and she\u2019s the hottest piece of evidence, even though they threatened to put Mark Lane in jail for taking her out of Memphis, they cited him for contempt of court, he got enough influential Black leaders to stand behind him, and after six hours of hearing, he avoided going to jail, and she\u2019s secreted away someplace. Uh, I remember Don Freed telling us that he has the one witness that can show\u2013 blow open the government conspiracy, he has a woman witness, so undoubtedly, he has<\/em> that witness Grace Walden, hid away in his office\u2013 in his office above his office. So how many understand that? Do you understand what I\u2019m saying? Okay, you got it, let\u2019s go into the pavilion now. We\u2019ll\u2013 We\u2019ll test just a moment on [Ethel and Julius] Rosenberg, if not we\u2019ll go into that marvelous<\/em> movie, I mean extraordinary movie, For Whom the Bell Tolls,<\/em> and it tolls for thee.<\/p>\n

[Tape edit]<\/p>\n

[Part 2: Speaking from radio room]<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: It\u2019s the only way to keep protection for our children, and all of our people, and our seniors who are defenseless, they\u2019re not aware of socialism, don\u2019t want to be aware of socialism, and we might have s\u2013 on some occasions soon, visitors of that sort<\/em>. They come in delegations, and there will be members of the press from various parts that\u2019ll be coming and going. All very, very friendly on the surface, but we always reserve our own judgment, we do not trust, we must maintain a certain pattern of distrust, because of things we\u2019ve been through<\/em>. This is only the good defense measure to protect the\u2013 the entire community. Be sure that everything is picked up around your homes. I\u2019m still not liking the appearance of the homes, and the suit\u2013uh, the shoes, so they definitely will be brought up in Public Services before we take any exam on Saturday in Peoples Rally, or Friday, or Thursday night. I mean yes, or\u2013 or tomorrow night. So be sure that you take advantage this evening, whether you have a test tomorrow night and<\/em> Saturday depends on whether you are listening to these various tapes. I gave you what is important, the capsulization, but I\u2019m very, very tired [sigh], and I did so from the last Peoples Rally, I did so for the one before that, and the one before that<\/em>. There\u2019ll be some overlap, but it doesn\u2019t require that much if you\u2019ve taken notes from those three capsulizations.<\/p>\n

Also, to be aware of my feelings and sensitivities. That was a part that\u2019s to be written up, has not yet been written up, and we\u2019re going to penalize anyone with extra classes that does not get that in, that material. We call for evaluations, self-analysis about yourself, and the things that you have done wrong, clearly done wrong, to be turned into Jann [Gurvich], one of the teacher monitors in the Educational Department, grade\u2013 grading monitors. We need those papers in immediately<\/em>. We\u2019re holding all responsible, so that we can write this book, show what this place has done, what Jim Jones has done for<\/em> you. It\u2019s very important, and I cannot emphasize it anymore, and just say if we don\u2019t<\/em> have cooperation, if we don\u2019t have<\/em> cooperation and maintenance of house\u2013 housing, if we don\u2019t<\/em> have cooperation not wasting and keeping our grounds clean, and don\u2019t<\/em> see others fix up their beautiful homes like many, many here have, make them beautiful, you can make all that yardway inside of the court excellent. I want plants as it being done by the nursery, under Comrade [Eugene] Chaikin, and I want to see others \u2013 must drop that word [comrade] for guests, it\u2019s such a beautiful word \u2013 but Gene Chaikin uh, and his crews, and uh, Jan [Wilsey] are doing some planting, and it\u2019s really beautiful. We want to see more and more of this, by everyone. Every available space behind the school and behind the library must, must, must, must, must be planted in. Every ugly eyesore, uh, along the fence, na\u2013 and towards the office, even in that area of the office, around uh, between the office and us, and the roadway, that all must be put with things that will be\u2013 uh, will show our indication of feeding all of our people, and helping every needy person that comes in here, because that\u2019s our\u2013 that\u2019s our goal.<\/p>\n

A large store vendor was arrested [sigh] for selling Bristol Cigarettes without a price tag, which is now illegal, to sell certain food items, or certain items that come under price control. Basic foods must never be overcharged by any marketeer, private or governmental store. If they do, they face serious consequences now under the new referendum.<\/p>\n

Forged passport to Brazil. An individual who did so fine\u2013 was fined $124. Very minimal, it seems to me. He bought passport from a friend, sold it for $25. Forged it and affixed a uh, photo. Considerable knowledge on how to do that, apparently.<\/p>\n

Hydromet\u2013 meteorological Services speakers are [pause] being brought in from the various parts of the Soviet world. Uh, Duncan Fraser, the leading spokesperson for the meteorological services will participate. They\u2019re going to make great use of the natural elements of power, some of the greatest falls in the world, uh, Port Kaieteur, I mean Kaieteur Fuh\u2013 Falls, just above us, uh, down from us rather, towards Brazil, uh, is five times larger than the beautiful Niagara. I don\u2019t whether you remember, many of you, when I took you on the trip, how awesome the Niagara was. So Guyana, when they ha\u2013 harness this as they are doing with Chinese, and Soviet, East German, and other socialist nations\u2019 help, and now some through the IMF credits, not loans that make any requirements of Guyana\u2013 Guyana was very smart, but that\u2019s why they\u2019re not taking that much IMF, and they\u2019re taking people\u2019s loans, bits and pieces from here and there, to assist them in achieving their goal.<\/p>\n

Radio Moscow: United Nations are discussing the illegal regime of Rhodesia, but USA is flaunting its total disregard by continually aiding this country that is doing vicious acts of terror, wiping out villages by poisonous gases just exactly like our US tax dollars paid for, and causes us agony to think about, if we have any conscience, they\u2019re doing it in Rhodesia now, and even in\u2013 in\u2013 with Mozambique, the attacks are still going on.<\/p>\n

The Astro\u2013 the Afro-Asian Solidarity Committee, struggle, a\u2013 agreed, against all forms of racial and ethnic discrimination. That is a [sigh] formation of a large committee in the United Nations of all of the Third World\u2013 leading Third World, and all the socialist nations. They\u2019re going to make new<\/em> solidarity efforts against all<\/em> forms of racial and uh, ethnic discrimination in South Africa, and they\u2019re calling for the breaking away of the\u2013 of the\u2013 of that regime. In terms of economic aid, they\u2019re calling for the removal<\/em> of the regime. And the great indictment went to the United States. They claim that USA\u2019s people are being lied upon, and they\u2019re being deprived of their rights to know, they also made a scathing indictment of the many tens of thousands of political prisoners in USA, they named some of them that were staggering to hear. Staggering, just staggering. There was\u2013 isn\u2019t a state, hardly in there\u2013 all states do, but there\u2019s not a state that doesn\u2019t maintain loads and loads of political prisoners, not\u2013 in there because of their beliefs, or their race, and some cases their religion.<\/p>\n

United Nations Decolonization Committee speakers stressed campaign against the West, as the United Nations more and more is finding itself being the platform for the anti-western, anti-US imperialist policies.<\/p>\n

Policy of connivance and support for the vicious fascist regime of Ian Smith and the ra\u2013 reactionary in Zimbab\u2013 and uh, Namibia and the upholding of the [sigh] dread US control, financially at least, South Africa racist apartheid received fierce condemnation. They have now 13,000 mercenaries fighting in Zimbabwe against guerrillas, also killing, torturing children. A number of children were captured in one village, some 27 were brought out, they were tortured between four and five days. They were killed because none of them would be\u2013 break down or give any information they had, what knowledge they may have known of their parents\u2019 activities or\u2013 and others involved in the Zimbabwean liberation effort, the Patriotic Front\u2019s the only true spokespersons and liberation representatives of Africa, controlling 97% of the territory. Well, that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s the type of thing these mercenaries are doing. Where do they come from, where do these mercenaries come from? Well, I\u2019ll tell you. Three thousand three hundred have just recently come from USA, a part of the Air Force, and our tax dollars is supposedly being training them to defend the United States and to do domestic work. Well, they\u2019re over there in the name of mercenaries. And uh\u2013 it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s 14,000 mercenaries in total, 1,800 British, 1,100 foreign Nazis, have been able to, uh, drag them here, there, and everywhere. And then the Israelis have no pride, they\u2019re working side by side with them. The Saudi Republic, the Arab\u2013 the United Arab Republic sent them Nazis, they got the Nazis out of their hair, and the Israelis have forgotten, I guess what they\u2019ve gone through, the hell, the persecutions, the death and gas chambers. So they\u2019re working side by side in\u2013 they\u2019re grilled, and trained in torture in US camps before they leave, and European, West German, and US-controlled camps before<\/em> they leave. And they are taught in every form of torture, every technique of torture. Now Sweden confirms this, Voice of Sweden.<\/p>\n

Ethiopia-Somalian situation. Ethiopia hopes to win [sigh] against these separatists that are being more and more funded by USA.<\/p>\n

Radio Moscow is shocked at USA defense bill\u2013 offense bill we should call it, war bill. Record military budget for years and years, and also the building of a giant aircraft carrier\u2013 carrier with nuclear engines and nuclear weapons on board, pushing it over in Southeast Asia. As you know they spent $119 billion, point 2 this year [$119.2 billion]. That far supersedes the costs \u2013 way<\/em> excels the cost \u2013 of the Soviet Union.<\/p>\n

1973 wages were 38% lower for blacks than the white man in USA. This is US Labor Department statistics themselves. The Indian, it was 58% lower for Indians than blacks. 1976, we have a 51% lower income for blacks \u2013 just three years \u2013 and in 1976, we have 79% lower than\u2013 (Short laugh) My God. In other words the white man\u2019s making about five times that of the Indian, no matter what their training, their jobs, their skills, the black is getting only half, less than half, their families are getting half the wages of the white man. Of course many, many niggerized elements of the whites that are in that category too, but the general wage, even including theirs, so it\u2019s even worse, even including poor whites who are mistreated, uh, and called trash and hillbillies and so forth, rednecks, they don\u2019t have enough sense to realize, their<\/em>\u2013 their<\/em>wages are also much, much less. It\u2019s too bad that the average hillbilly does not realize, the blacks get together because their plight is much the same.<\/p>\n

A new prime minister for Portugal. [Unintelligible] [Alfredo Nobre] da Costa, a former doctor, he has no political party, but certain left sympathies. The socialist government will still be maintained before, uh\u2013 without calling emergency session for reelection or collapse of the government. It appeared up until yesterday that the Portuguese socialist government will\u2013 perhaps would fall.<\/p>\n

The PLO, Palestinian Liberation Organization. [Menachim] Begin and [Jimmy] Carter will press [Anwar] Sadat for concessions in September, and the PLO say that they will not tolerate them if Sadat would make them. And Begin says he won\u2019t make them, so I guess that\u2019s where you are, no progress.<\/p>\n

Chinese\u2013 there were\u2013 uh, there was an attack on the Vietnamese border again, border guards, by the Chinese today. They crossed over, fired, but the Vietnamese drove them out. They were unsuccessful in their attempted excursion into Southeast Asia. The thought of course is, world opinion that China wants this\u2013 the control of Southeast Asia because it\u2019s on her border and uh, the way the Soviets feel about their<\/em> borders. They unfortunately do not have Turkey. That\u2019s one very nasty, reactionary, and fascist member of NATO that\u2019s on their<\/em> border.<\/p>\n

USA of course (unintelligible word) want to control the world, doesn\u2019t allow communism anywhere near it. Unfortunately it took them by surprise, and was maintained due to the wisdom of [Nikita] Khrushchev in Cuba. And otherwise USA has always been very, very fearful<\/em> of any neighbor that was socialist or communist. Not having any in Central America, not allowing it in Mexico when it attempted to be established, or Canada, and it was going left\u2013 very<\/em>, very left just election before last. But this is the reason for all the folderol and misery caused by nations and their nationalist development, even though they do wonderful communist deeds, practices in the home front, giving aid to liberation efforts, it seems that it will take a time, [tape edit] and undoubtedly a nuclear war before the problem is resolved, of nationalism. We\u2019ve given you all the inevitabilities of that.<\/p>\n

Be sure you know the background, by the way, on Guadeloupe, a small island\u2013 beautiful resort island that\u2019s going communist. It took heavy leadership in the last festival in Cuba that drew over twenty thousands and from 147 nations.<\/p>\n

USSR medical experiments. They\u2019re going into more advanced medicine than any nation of the world, on prevention of\u2013 they\u2019re even working with preventive uh, medical\u2013 medical knowledge about cancer, but they\u2019re not releasing this to the world until they\u2019re sure that all of their experiments have been proven.<\/p>\n

Grain harvesting now good. Harvests selling over the original plan. Going well over. The collectives, organized, rallied about in spite of the severe weather the Soviets have been having, doing\u2013 due to no doubt, much of the uh, weather modification, the geophysical war of USA CIA. Again, our tax dollars being misused.<\/p>\n

[Unintelligible acronym] seminar, Odessa, Russia. Specialists on navigation from around the world. African officials studying how Soviet ports function so that they will be able to make the best commerce uh, and out of in\u2013 their resources get the best prices and get them to the world market more quickly. Technological problems and shipping is being discussed and worked out.<\/p>\n

UN committee on decolonization resumed work in New York. Independence must be granted to all colonial peoples, say the UN committees. There\u2019s nothing but declarations against USA, these days. UN declaration a landmark on getting rid<\/em>of colonialism. However, USA must implement it. We\u2019re given no encouragement that US is going to. Coloniaism\u2013 colonialism still exists in some regions\u2013 regions. Micronesia, Rhodesia, South Africa, and [pause] the people who are just beneath Libya. Chad, yes, that\u2019s what it was. Political manu\u2013 mem\u2013 maneuvers of the West, racist regimes in South Africa are also being given secret support by multinational corporations, as well as a billion dollars of US aid, not to mention the billions that have been poured in to maintaining Rhodesia.<\/p>\n

Be sure and understand yesterday\u2019s news, it was much more insightful, and uh, you ought to hear it. It had a lot of deep things and showed currents.<\/p>\n

Peking alignment with NATO. They say it\u2019s obvious, says the Mo\u2013 Moscow radio to bring about the third World War, and some Soviet military uh, uh, individuals are sympathetic to the position that war is inevitable, and they have been encouraging, said Radio Moscow, for the first time the Politburo and the ruling members of the government to take some kind of action themselves, but said the USSR is still<\/em> committed to peace and will not make the first strike. And uh, [sigh] the X3 m\u2013 missile, X2 missile proves just otherwise with USA and the neutron bomb, all the US p\u2013 pl\u2013 plans clearly<\/em> are being laid in their military strategy to give them the capability of surprising the people, shocking, taking a first advantage by throwing the bombs first. They still<\/em> won\u2019t be able to win because your people won\u2019t be<\/em> there. USA\u2019s people, according to all<\/em> authorities in the world, will be wiped out, so it\u2019ll all be in vain for USA to do<\/em> this. I don\u2019t know what they hope they\u2019ll come out of. Even these profiteers, monopoly capitalists, they have to have people to manipulate for profit<\/em>, but USA is following, as you know, Daniel Dells\u2013 Ellsberg and every nation says, a dangerous course, going to bring about nuclear war.<\/p>\n

Brussels Convention. Participating nations are many. Development\u2013 developing of community relations of equity between the world, and they\u2019re calling for a new world economic order of giving guarantees of some sort for all human beings. Uh, Brussels of course is in Belgium and Belgium is a member of NATO, but this is a strange cry coming out of Brussels for a new world economic order, so that all<\/em> people will have guarantees of the good life. There\u2019s only one way<\/em>you can have that: through socialism. But they did not call that on BBC, but that\u2019s what they said.<\/p>\n

Huge profits on trade with Africa. And these, said the European economists from the various capitalist sector of the European Common Market, must be giving the people of Africa advantage, or they\u2019ll rise up, and take over all. Of course, the profiteers are going to realize they\u2019re gonna have to dole out a bit, \u2018cause there\u2019s too many\u2013 too many of their hands in the fire already. They haven\u2019t got anything left<\/em> to be strangling the poor from their cheating `em out of their resources. The European Common Market is three times more in profits than has ever been derived. Uh, and it\u2019s also\u2013 their profits have been three times greater, nearly four times than any loans, ever, all of the loans totally given to Africa. That\u2019s what\u2019s happened this year, and the leading sentiment of the Brussels Convention said this is going to destroy them, they\u2019ve got to stop it, they\u2019re goi\u2013 they can\u2019t profiteer at three times more than they put back into the African economy, for their own private capitalist. They can make three<\/em> times, in other words, more money than they return investments, even in their own factories<\/em>, or to help build the various African or Third World nations that they\u2019re bleeding blind.<\/p>\n

World copper led to growth of foreign debts of the African countries. It was a manipulation of US administration to dump now, a great margin of world copper that they had on hand, but it still did not bring down the governments that they [turns head to cough off mic] anticipated breaking down.<\/p>\n

Interests on loans, African commodities, pressure from West not to be as generous as the European Common Market wants to take. The\u2013 the European Common Market wants to be more humane, USA wants to make a mo\u2013 greater drain.<\/p>\n

As I quoted to you yesterday, the Honorable Wallace, Governor [George] Wallace talking in open racist terms, and Voice of America now pursuing the new policy of referring to people who are black as coloreds. And in fact, they lump all<\/em> of the Asians into that category, and having such spokespersons on the air justifying the rape of Africa, saying it has to be done to keep the middle class from going socialist, openly tells that he\u2019s for murder. Says it\u2019s too bad that we defeated [Adolf] Hitler, he was the best buffer against Germany [Russia], and the same with Japan, he said we defeated the best enemies of com\u2013 of communism. [pause] Well, he\u2019s telling the truth, that\u2019s what they had set up Hitler for, and allowed Japan to function for, when they coulda stopped it, was that they hoped that it would stop the expansion of communism, Jap\u2013 Japan would in Korea, in Southeast Asia, China, particularly China, where Japan raped, and Hitler was supposed to take care of it in Europe, but\u2013 and then [stumbles] share uh, with the ap\u2013 the apple pie with all the capitalists of USA. Because you know Rockefeller helped make Hitler\u2019s munitions, but in the last part of the worl\u2013 uh, the war, he didn\u2019t get his profits because Hitler turned against the other capitalists and developed a certain capitalistic nationalism. That contradiction always brings down capitalism, finally. They have far more difficulties with nationalism than socialists do. It\u2019s quite possible that the reason the Chinese are wooing the European Common Market, they have a representative there, a delegation, that\u2013 that\u2019s just for this reason<\/em>, and they\u2019re causing them to break away from US superpower hegemony. That would be consistent with their Doctrine of Three Worlds<\/a>. Let\u2019s hope that\u2019s their motivation, but at least the European Common Market is calling for sense<\/em>, and some mercy<\/em>, to put aid uh, for development in the African countries. Sure it\u2019s monetary, it\u2019s just a matter of dollars and cents that\u2013 that their fear they\u2019re going to lose<\/em>, but USA doesn\u2019t have enough sense to realize that you cannot continue to bleed people like Governor Wallace called, said we gotta make more<\/em> money off the diamonds, gotta make\u2013 Voice of America was saying, we gotta make more<\/em> money off of the tinc\u2013 uh, zinc and the chrome and uh, the\u2013 the various\u2013 the uraniums, and the cobalt and the rich, rich minerals that are richer in Africa than any place else, copper and so forth, I could go on endlessly. But this<\/em> reality in Europe, in the so-called ally lackey governments of the USA, that the European Common Market representing the Second<\/em> World in China\u2019s Doctrine of Three Worlds, China\u2019s certainly being consistent in moving closer to her. She has not worked out money\u2013 many trade agreements with the USA, she not uh, making the pockets rich\u2013 rich of USA, but she\u2019s making some good profit\u2013 profitable ventures with the help of European capitalists, including Britain, as I gave you yesterday. And she\u2019s getting manipulated into building her own uh, bomb shelters and mines to make her a rich industrial country.<\/p>\n

Eighteen countries. We\u2019re at\u2013 we\u2019re at 18 countries in Africa still under the domination of US and uh, foreign white capitalists [pause] where the worker receives less than $408 a year, whereas\u2013 that doesn\u2019t even meet the basic essentials of food in any of those countries.<\/p>\n

Peking papers. New archaeological findings near borders trying to back up claims that large parcels of Soviet territory belongs to the Chinese. The Chinese claim one million and a half of the Soviet area. Well, originally this was true<\/em>, that this was part of the old Chinese dynasties, and you have that problem of nationalism warring over territories. That\u2019s why it was beautiful that Guyana yesterday signed a peaty [treaty] of goodwill friendship with Brazil, Surinam, and Venezuela. Brazil had no claim on their borders, Surinam and Venezuela did<\/em>, but now with this new treaty, they\u2019re going to have a good future with\u2013 working with these countries, and the left government of Peru.<\/p>\n

Chinese leaders responsible for strife in Southeast Asia today, says Moscow, the usual indictments, though they did praise them for their archaeological findings and their uh, [pause] assistance today that they\u2019ve been giving of late to African nations.<\/p>\n

USSR conservation laws. Parliament of Russia Federation has strict laws on water management, timber resources, and wildlife. Socialist property of all the people, like the old Indian culture.<\/p>\n

Uh, [clears throat] I\u2013 I wish we [pause] can see the day of beautiful Africa as it was. Read the books in the library of how lovely our society was in Africa, how the high\u2013 highly developed at Timbuktu where they did eye surgeries and smallpox vaccination, made dental bridges, plates and uh, false teeth, in other words. Amazing, amazing society while the rest of the world was still under ice.<\/p>\n

[Leonid] Brezhnev, man ca\u2013 said must use nature. Benefits not gained at the cost of nature. No private profiteering should be done from nature, and so the USSR will enter into no<\/em> agreement with other countries for corporate use of the water or timber resources or wildlife. Protection of the environment is a strict, strict guarantee, and it\u2019s maintained to the Soviet people, that no one can misuse or abuse the resources of the Soviet Union.<\/p>\n

World Council of Churches, which has caused an uproar. The World Council of Churches Magazine in Geneva, for all the churches of Christendom in the world, wri\u2013 it wrote a very good story, twice made very good commentaries about us, one written by Doctor Tropp, I mean Professor [Richard] Tropp here. They are in trouble with the whole rest of US Christendom because there\u2019s\u2013 they\u2019re irate as hell that [short laugh] yes\u2013 tod\u2013 this morning, $85 million was given to the Rhodesian Patriotic Front, and the World Council of Churches engineered this from money dues, and so forth that\u2019d been taken from US churches and all the churches around the world<\/em>, many of them in fascist circles, and they directed it exclusively<\/em> to the Patriotic Front, and they of course coupled for humanitarian concerns<\/em>, but they\u2019ll\u2013 [chuckles] it\u2019ll be up to Zimbabwe, Joshua Nkomo, who uh, heads the Patriotic Front, that brave nationalist, and his cohort, his partner Robert Mugabe, the Marxist-Leninist, on how they\u2019re going to use<\/em> it. It\u2019s amazing to see that happening. That\u2019s perhaps the reason they\u2019ve been so kind to us, and printed such goodness\u2013 uh, good things about us in their magazine that goes to millions around the world.<\/p>\n

Jody Powell, the presidential [press] secretary, does not understand [pause] the iss\u2013 issue that the uh, press is having, uh, the difficulties with Carter, the pressures that\u2019re being brought on him by various sectors of Congress. He feels that US is trying to weakening\u2013 weaken the executive, and said the balance of power is a part\u2013 necessary part of maintaining democracy. We certainly have some very conservative courts these days. But now many of the even more progressive, enlightened stands of Carter have been killed in Congress.<\/p>\n

Also, Sadat and Begin getting together has caused uh, some difficulties for the uh, right-wing sector. I don\u2019t know why, I would think they would want to live in peace, but they are being very<\/em> critical of Carter for meeting with uh, Begin uh, of Israel\u2013 not so much him, but Sadat of Egypt, to try to bring a land settlement. Quick acceptance to meet reflects a desire for peace<\/em>, said the president, when under attack [pause]. It would be inhumane, said Jody Powell, his secre\u2013 press secretary, and it would be risking nuclear war, if Carter didn\u2019t take every chance to talk with whoever could\u2013 wou\u2013 will talk peace.<\/p>\n

Moscow\u2019s criticizing Carter\u2019s summit with Israel and Egypt also<\/em>, but for different reasons. Said US is trying to push Sadat to a separation, uh, uh, a separate agreement from the Geneva Conference. This is against world law, it\u2019s against international law and agreement, and the United Nations agreement. Soviets are supposed to set in on it because they\u2019re part of the leadership of the Geneva Conference that was set up by the ruling court of the world<\/em>: the United Nations. US is alr\u2013 always<\/em> violating the law. Seriously<\/em>. Such a violation of law on the part of a US citizen would be felonies, they\u2019d get years and years<\/em> for breaking the laws of their courts. But US just goes on anarchistically ignoring<\/em> law, world opinion, international agreement, and yet a person who takes five uh, cents\u2019 worth of anything these days goes to jail<\/em>, when they\u2019re hungry. Uh, uh, the miners were threatened with going to jail for demanding more just salaries<\/em>. This is US\u2019s thinking, and it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s irrational as hell, and I don\u2019t know why the poor people of the USA haven\u2019t seen<\/em> some of this and just uh, followed their own course for survival.<\/p>\n

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UN peacekeeping force are being fired upon by the right-wing Phalangist Christian militia that have been trained, and made up of Nazis<\/em>, many of them, said the Voice of America even, and Voice of Moscow protested loudly. The Israelis are also training Nazis<\/em>, uh, and they are\u2013 they are part of this peacekeeping force. Oh, how quickly does Israel forget<\/em>? That shows you how the rich Zionists really<\/em> didn\u2019t care about all the murdering of the millions and millions of p\u2013 progressive Jews and other people\u2013 people of color. They are hiring Nazis as mercenaries. And the United Nations, for the first<\/em> time, has brought in heavy weapons, and General [Emmanuel] Erskine from Ghana, the black general who heads the United Nations peacekeeping forces, said that they better let them through to the border, they\u2019re getting tired and wearied of it because they\u2019re going to fire their way through the border, and they\u2019re tired of being fired on, said the UN commander, and without the p\u2013 uh, privilege, the United Nations has thus far required that they do not fire back<\/em>, but uh, Erskine gave the strong opinion that that\u2019s not going to continue to be the way it is<\/em>. They will not be fired on without retaliating<\/em>. Said UN that send boys from all parts of the world to bring peace and then not enforce it, he said he would<\/em> enforce it. Of course he may be fired<\/em> if he continues, but we like that kind of excellence out of the man.<\/p>\n

Thousands have fled the villages outside the capital of Bei\u2013 Beirut, and uh, thousands are fleeing southern Lebanon because it looks like war can brea\u2013 break out there, in\u2013 well, anytime because there just an eerie calm<\/em>, said the Voice of America, that uh, many analysts are skeptical of its durability.<\/p>\n

President [Elias] Sarkis of UN, I mean, uh, [stumbles] of the United uh, Lebanon government, who threatened to resign, he believes the Syrian government has softened its<\/em> stand and uh, he believes UN should now prevent<\/em> [pause] the fascist in the south part of Lebanon, by I\u2013 Israel\u2019s manipulation, that Christian militia of Nazis they\u2019ve made up, that they should take strict measures<\/em> while Syria is more than wil\u2013 more than willing to negotiate. United Nations spokesperson prevent\u2013 said that they will<\/em> prevent Lebanese troops\u2013 they will not<\/em> allow Israeli to prevent the Lebanese troops to remove the Christian militia by force. So, it looks like they\u2019re building up for the struggle to drive the Israelis out. Now that will be the test, because Begin says he won\u2019t give up one grain of dust<\/em>, one grain of sand of his conquered territory, he would rather go down the dust of a nuclear war first. So we\u2019ll see if Israel\u2019s sick lunatic Prime Minister carries out his threat.<\/p>\n

Tens of thousands of mourners at Rome. Conclave will begin August 25th for the successor to Pope John. It has to begin, as you know, 19 days after his death. They want\u2013 uh, not Pope John, but Pope Paul. They want as much time as possible to consider choice, they want to make a choice that will help the troubled world, save the world from nuclear disaster<\/em>. The cardinal of college, uh, cardinal college, the College of Cardinals that choose the Pope\u2019s successor, who they have to do it uh, supposedly by divine revelation \u2013 that\u2019s a bunch of bullcrap \u2013 but they are interested in getting a man, so it is said, that could help the nation avert\u2013 uh, help the world avoid nuclear disaster. Nine-day mourning will continue through Sunday. Thousands of pilgrims passed through the Saint Peter Cathedral to look at the body of Pope Paul in white and gold, uh, all of his golden uh, chalices, and rings and rosaries, silver [turns head to cough]. Radio Czechoslovakia said in his casket alone will go down with him upwards of $2 or $3 million dollars. [Sarcastically] Well, that\u2019s very nice. That is very, very nice. So impressed. Not much to say about Pope\u2019s passing. They\u2013 the Russian Orthodox Church, which had been negotiating with Pope Paul to come back into the Catholic faith, did<\/em> hold uh, an unprecedented Orthodox, uh, for them, unprecedented for Ru\u2013 the Soviet Union, in the most important cathedral of the patriarch that heads the Orthodox Church, which is similar to the Catholic Church, but broke away from, oh the Catholics over excesses [sighs], of the jack\u2013 Catholics violence that they were doing, and murderous things that were done by past popes, before the present one that died. But they were renegotiating for harmony and uh, coming back into the Church, and they are\u2013 they had mourning for the pope in this Moscow cathedral. However, only 150 people turned up, 148 old ladies and, they said, the report, Voice of America in a very angry way, and two children.<\/p>\n

Two ministers supporting Ian Smith, Black Uncle Toms, associates of Reverend [Ndabaningi] Sithole of the three Black Uncle Toms that had supported the illegal regime, were [sighs] gotten just outside of Salisbury by the true Liberation Front, and they were killed by explosives. Blown up<\/em>. And I think the Uncle Toms will get nervous the world over, because the world will have its day of liberation.<\/p>\n

Geneva: Rhodesian Patriotic Front. $80,000 draft is being sent from the Geneva Conference for money, for food, educational programs, and so forth. 2,600,000 dollars total to liberation movements in the last seven years have been given, uh, 50% to Africa. Uh, that is from the uh, Geneva peace conference, made up of the capitalists and the progressive nations in the world.<\/p>\n

Peace treaty. [Under his breath] Uh, let\u2019s see where we\u2019re at now. [Back to mic] US should not cut off investments in South Africa, encourage South Africa is the call of the Senate. Carter is very dubious about this relationship with a nation that is fla\u2013 flagrantly violating human rights, but his hands are being forced. Both Congresses, uh, House of Representatives and Senate US are demanding that he not<\/em> cut off any aid or investments, even military aid, to those two fascist, white dominant regimes.<\/p>\n

The flight control [sign and pause] members of France are on strike, getting ready go tomorrow. They\u2019ve had the fourth day of slow down, the rich are hung in little villages all over the whole of Europe, they can\u2019t move, and now they\u2019re threatened with a total strike by the flight control of the\u2013 of the\u2013 uh, you know, the airports. This is uh, being done because they said they don\u2019t have the proper equipment throughout the world. Capitalist nations are taking lives in their hands every minute that they send out an airline, a commercial airline, because there\u2019s not enough staff, and the flight control are calling for\u2013 for more staff and they say they will not<\/em> continue to operate, because all<\/em> of these tragedies of thousands that\u2019ve died in commercial airlines, could\u2019ve been avoided by\u2013 they were all caused by improper con\u2013 uh, flight control. At one time just a few weeks ago, you remember, a senior and middle aged people that took a world tour in the Atlantic islands just off of the Portuguese border [Tenerife disaster], I mean out in the Atlantic continent, in the uh, Atlantic Ocean, they uh\u2013 at one time, 435 were burned alive<\/em>, all because of flight control not having enough staff to be able to warn two planes that were getting ready to take off, that one coming in at a vast speed, and the other one going out, and they headed into each other head on. But literally, for four hours, bodies were burning, and there wasn\u2019t enough emergency firefighters to be able to stop the horrible massacre. 435 Americans alone<\/em> not to mention the rest that were killed in that one airline tragedy alone. So, the flight control people of Fran\u2013 France say they will not participate in murder anymore, and they say it\u2019s the same way in USA, and the same way in all the European capitalist nations, s\u2013 and they openly say the only people that look after their people that\u2019re engaged in commercial airlines are the socialist nations. And uh, the Soviet Union, they say, uh, has the best uh, flight control of any in the world<\/em>.<\/p>\n

US labor problems. (sighs) There\u2019s a lot<\/em> of US labor problems. New York City\u2019s three major newspapers: New York Daily News,<\/em> right wing, Times,<\/em> who\u2019s more or less liberal apologists, and the New York Post,<\/em> who\u2019s owned by Rupert Murdoch, who\u2019s in that conspiracy, still at it, trying to attack us, he\u2019s a known white racist that owns that and New West<\/em> magazine. They\u2019ve all<\/em> gone on strike, the printing press operators, because they told of a\u2013 an attempt, all these three newspapers, which they did not deny it in the Voice of America, to replace them with automation. So they\u2019re going to pull their papers down until guarantees are given. But the publishers said that these jobs must<\/em> be taken away because of the cost of living. Presently, they said, they should be content while they have it, said the publishers of the\u2013 that recent\u2013 that racist Murdoch of the New York Post,<\/em> and owns New West,<\/em> and the one that owns New York\u2013 New York Daily News,<\/em> said that they must be content with the $355 average week that they now receive \u2013 and they\u2019re highly technically trained people \u2013 while it lasts. The last general strike kept newspapers off the street in 1962, 114 days. When these pres\u2013 press people strike, they really do mean be\u2013 mean business, that\u2019s so much for the US\u2019s so-called free press<\/em>. If they were really conscientious, why aren\u2019t they paying their workers or protecting their jobs instead of trying to replace them with mechanical means of automation.<\/p>\n

Pan American also going on strike tomorrow in USA and on US territories everywhere, because of the same matters: they\u2019re tired of taking [stumbles] dangerous, risk people\u2019s lives, overcrowded airports, improper flight control, not enough staffing, their salaries are not sufficient.<\/p>\n

Beef, pou\u2013 poultry, fish are on the rise, heavily, heavily on the rise, all meats are on the\u2013 on the rise in USA. A sudden 16% increase in their cost in the last week, spur for higher wages said\u2013 (sigh) I don\u2019t understand the damn thinking. Uh, it\u2019ll\u2013 this\u2019ll bring about a higher wages for the workers, they\u2019re supposed to be placated by that, but even the Labor Department statistics show that the worker had lost 18% already of his income, his income hadn\u2019t kept up with how\u2013 what he had to expend on the cost of living, he\u2019d lost 18%, 18 cents on every dollar he earns. And I don\u2019t know what the hell what this is going to mean to the US\u2013 But the US is in real trouble. Expect prices to drop but, uh, that we\u2019ve heard from the propaganda mills of US for a long time. Labor Department says there is a five percent rise, and they\u2013 they\u2019re\u2013 they keep contradicting themselves. Yesterday, they said there was<\/em> no rise, that there was a continuous decline since 1976, month by month, pea\u2013 in wages, I mean the wages were dropping instead of increasing. What if it does<\/em> rise five percent, what the hell good does it do when there\u2019s 16% increase in the cost of meats?<\/p>\n

Peace treaty for Japan and uh, China is finally getting down to agreement because China has agreed to take out the part that was uh, upsetting the Soviet Union, that part that they will pledge to not allow hegemony in the region, and uh, the Russians said it was meant for them, and so Japan did not want any state of war feelings between them and Russia, and it was removed, and China agreed to it.<\/p>\n

US named [exhale] vessel, the Naval\u2013 US Naval vessels are going to Vietnam, supposedly for the fleeing Vietnamese refugees. What the hell they\u2019re getting ready to do there? They go into a terrible, sad tale about how a 98-year-old woman had to go out in the water screaming to get away, Chinese ethnic, from the vicious government of this beautiful socialist country of U\u2013 Vietnam. The same old story, any time\u2013 if\u2013 if you listen to the radio, it\u2019s just Peoples Temple all over again. How they beat, how they deprived them of food, and how they torture, oh so, so so, so and on they go, about the same kind of malarkey, they just have the same propaganda, I guess, in a file, for the nations they want to war against or the socialist countries they disagree with, or the socialist individuals or groups.<\/p>\n

Well, that ends the news for the day.<\/p>\n

It appears that Indira Gandhi, in s\u2013 spite of having five charges against her, and her son [Sanjay Gandhi]\u2013 she\u2019s a former Prime Minister, a beautiful woman that was pro-Soviet, and very world peace-minded. She continues to grow in popularity, though she\u2019s indicted and has been in and out of jail. She stayed in jail like her famous relative Mahatma Gandhi. As you know, he had nonviolence. That would work, of course, all the Indians just cooperated around him, it would work<\/em> against uh, the British, they didn\u2019t know how to cope with it, but when you\u2019re a minority, nonviolence, as was shown by Dr. King, does not work. Under Mah\u2013 under Mahatma Gandhi, it did free them from the boot of the great British\u2013 oppressive British Empire which the sun never set. Now there\u2019s hardly\u2013 it\u2019s not even hardly together, the few islands of England, Scotland, and Ireland are all fighting to get out of the British Empire, there\u2019s nothing left to the British Empire, it\u2019s just a little\u2013 just a little island anymore. That shows what happens to empires. As big as USA is, everything goes up must come down, and all<\/em> these big systems finally fall that are based on exploitation, greed, and lust.<\/p>\n

I love you very much. The films under the pavilion must be\u2013 the films that we had need of seeing, such as the Scottsboro Brothers [Scottsboro Boys<\/em>], some that did not see it, or you can send in agreement on some progressive movie. At the end we may give you an hour of this uh, comedian, I can\u2019t stand him anymore, so I\u2019ve forgotten his name, used to like him, but what he did recently has burdened my heart, because he went to South Africa against Black people, Black leadership\u2019s uh, appeals, and he got on the stage in San Francisco and made fun of gays, um, walked out of their [unintelligible word] just broke up an affair, a fund raising affair, they were trying to get to protect minority rights, including gay rights, particularly. He made fun of them but\u2013 You know the guy, but always keep that in mind when you\u2013 when you\u2019re laughing at a fellow, which you have to laugh, and so I\u2019ll tolerate an hour of it, uh, until it\u2019s through the series, and then we\u2019ll play it again from time to time. I cannot think of who he is, I just put him out of my mind, uh, but someone else will know. But always have that in your mind, but please, I want the radio operators, the television, the PA system people to remind people of that, because they don\u2019t want to hear that.<\/p>\n

Male speaking<\/strong> too soft off mic<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Stand by for just a moment. [Beep] Anyone\u2013 anyway, someone should give the name of the actor. I cannot find it. And I hollered for people around me, nobody seems to know it. So Someone else could perhaps step in to the radio room and give the answer to who it is.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s see. Productivity tonight, otherwise we\u2019ll call for you and we\u2019ll have to have a film. People should not be wandering streets, and we will not allow it, aimlessly when you know you don\u2019t know what you should about the news, you haven\u2019t read what you should about agriculture, you haven\u2019t used that great library, you haven\u2019t studied the background on Mozambique, and the beautiful, beautiful nation uh, of Guinea, and the Gui\u2013 the Guinea-Bissau, that great comrade was killed by the CIA, just a few days ago. You need to know however for the test, just Mozambique, and the two Koreas, and uh, Guinea, and uh, what I told you about Guadeloupe. Yesterday\u2019s news, if you read that, listen to that rather, and the few capsulizations. But the only thing I\u2019m saying, if you will learn absolutely all<\/em> the ways to answer and rehearse that, and everyone listen to it, but I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m gonna have to see it all done. If you can uh, know that by heart, you won\u2019t fail the test, but you better realize you\u2019ll have to know it all by heart: what to say, what not to say to those who could be capitalist enemies. Now, I don\u2019t understand anybody in the community not understanding that rationale. Some of you still have too idealistic and liberal a notion. Thank you. Much love.<\/p>\n

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