{"id":113276,"date":"2022-01-30T14:42:25","date_gmt":"2022-01-30T22:42:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=113276"},"modified":"2022-02-01T16:31:27","modified_gmt":"2022-02-02T00:31:27","slug":"q345-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=113276","title":{"rendered":"Q345 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

To read the Tape Summary,\u00a0click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>,\u00a0Pt. 2<\/a>).
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Visitor:<\/strong> \u2013here until Thursday, and we\u2019re working diligently to find all of the areas in which this uh, young man, this opportunistic human being, a person who is part and parcel with the frailties of a human being, and in what respects many of you can give us about this man. Now tomorrow night, a ma\u2013 a private investigator [Joseph Mazor] who was part and parcel of that group is going to be here. He\u2019s going to come here at our invitation, so that he can see for himself all of the things that had been told to<\/em> him are lies and perjuries. And we are hopeful<\/em> that he is going to be give us\u2013 uh, give us some<\/em>information that we\u2019ll be able to destroy the enemy, whether this enemy should be destroyed in its essence. I would urge all of you to be courteous to this man. I have never met him. I\u2019ve talked to him on a telephone. He has made certain commitments as to what he has observed and what he knows about Tim Stoen, that hopefully we\u2019ll be able to find and get to the root of why a beautiful group of human beings like yourselves had been haunted and pushed around and maligned for no other reason than to be able to get together collectively and to do the things that many of us had been taught was impossible<\/em> to do, many us have been taught and said that human nature is such that there\u2019s a human greed, and I have seen for myself in October of last year, reaffirm strenuously in September of this year, that we are living amongst you an example of where there\u2019s no such thing as sexism.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. Light applause.<\/p>\n

Visitor<\/strong>: Where there\u2019s no such thing as racism.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. Light applause.<\/p>\n

Visitor<\/strong>: Where there\u2019s no such thing as elitism.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. Stronger applause.<\/p>\n

Visitor<\/strong>: And where there\u2019s no such thing as unemployment and hunger.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Visitor<\/strong>: You are pioneers in the field of being able to live under the golden rule and give the example, am I my brother\u2019s keeper. You are demonstrating that, and the world is going to be able to see that. And with that I want to say, it\u2019s nice and good to be amongst you again, I feel as though I\u2019ve been rejuvenated again, and I hope to be able to see you again in the near future. Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Marceline Jones<\/strong>: The chairperson of the WRSM [Women\u2019s Revolutionary Socialist Movement], Meghan Duke, I\u2019ve met her when I was in Georgetown, I\u2019ve also met her husband, they\u2019re both very, very actively involved in helping Guyana becoming self-sufficient and to become the place that we know it is and will become more of. And we would really appreciate it if you would come and say a few words to us. We\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Light applause<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: She\u2013 (Tape edit) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Duke<\/strong>: Uh\u2013 Where should I begin? I\u2019m very, very happy to be here, not only myself but all the other members who came along with me. And many more wanted to come, but because of leave and other problems, we couldn\u2019t come. We have always heard about Jonestown from uh\u2013 (laughs) from Sharon [Amos], so we uh, affiliated to you, and when we came out here and then we saw Sharon waiting for us at the plane, we thought that we had come home again, because you know, she\u2019s part of us, and if\u2013 if\u2013 and we tell her now that we are missing her, because she comes to every meeting and she\u2019s very much a part of the (unintelligible word) of which we are a part of. I\u2019d like to say that we bring greetings from all the other members of the (same unintelligible word), and uh, when we go back, we will certainly have a lot to tell them. As you know, many of our goals and objectives are consistent with what you have here, and it has strengthened what we<\/em> are trying to do in terms of equality for women, having good opportunities for work, study and being a total part of the community. That is part of our objecti\u2013 our objective. We also are\u2013 we\u2019re happy to see so many, should I say, contented happy people, that too we will have to uh, take back and we uh\u2013 I\u2019m particularly touched to see how it is citizens\u2013 sen\u2013 senior citizens, you call them, uh, uh, take\u2013 so well taken care of. Now uh\u2013 What I would like to do now is to call the other members out, and they will talk for themselves.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Light laughter. Applause.<\/p>\n

Duke<\/strong>: I call you. Betty (unintelligible name). Now Betty\u2013 although she has a long name, think she\u2019s Betty (unintelligible name) Savagery Terarri. There she is, a small person who is doing a lot<\/em> of work, she\u2019s a secretary for the (same unintelligible name) and she rings me morning, midday, midnight, four o\u2019clock in the morning to find me if she can. (Laughs) She\u2013 Without her, I don\u2019t know what I would do, so Betty, you tell them how you feel.<\/p>\n

Betty<\/strong>: Oh, well, first of all, let me say good night, comrades, too. Uh\u2013 I like my chairman. We miss Sharon very much. Uh, actually, when we left yesterday morning to catch a nine o\u2019clock flight\u2013 It was supposed to be a nine o\u2019clock flight, we thought (unintelligible word) we spend a longer time with you, but, well, as all circumstances, we didn\u2019t reach until last night. But uh, we were not so surprised in what we have\u2013 what we have seen (unintelligible word) today, because actually, we were somewhat already informed from the other comrades who usually go up there like Debbie [Touchette], Versi [Perkins Connessero], Sharon, what really goes on here, but it only shows us how good uh\u2013 when you are collectively, cooperatively, what can be achieved, which we are now trying to do. Uh\u2013 I don\u2019t think I have\u2013 [Tape edit]<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Laughter. Applause.<\/p>\n

Duke<\/strong>: Betty, watch it, you turned off the microphone. Come back here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Duke<\/strong>: (unintelligible word). Now our person is uh, Ruth Raphael. Now Ruth is the person who is always there. She makes phone, she makes cake, she makes sugar cake, she makes everything that we are called upon to make. Ruth is always there. Ruth? Come and say hello.<\/p>\n

Ruth<\/strong>: Good night, comrades all.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Responds<\/p>\n

Duke<\/strong>: I forget to say, she\u2019s assistant secretary.<\/p>\n

Ruth<\/strong>: Thank you. Uh\u2013 yeah, good night, comrades all. I\u2019m indeed happy to be here with you all for the day and a half or a quarter or what it\u2019s\u2013 whatnot. But uh, as yesterday morning we left, we were told that we could not (unintelligible word) boarded the plane until quarter to three. I was so mad that I\u2013 I just feel that uh, I can just go give them the ticket and let them refund my money and I get back home in Georgetown. (Laughs) But, if I had done so, and my other comrades had gone to Georgetown and said, Ruth, you know what a wonderful time we had at Jonestown and decided to tell me, well, I don\u2019t know, I might\u2019ve licked myself. I am very, very happy indeed to be here with you all. It seems as if you are one\u2013 we are one family. And I can sense the uh\u2013 the\u2013 the\u2013 the cool and warmth between you people here. You can see<\/em> it. You don\u2019t have to say yes to see it. That few hours we have spent here, I can assure you, we are going back to Georgetown with some things to tell the others. And I can assure you that, when we are coming again, it would be a whole plane or two<\/em> we will charter to come too. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Laughter. Applause.<\/p>\n

Duke<\/strong>: Don\u2019t move. (Pause) Thank you, comrades. Now I know you would like to hear from everybody, but time is pressing on, so Doreen [Colbson], come out. I\u2019m sorry, unless you want to get two words. Right, say two words. Susan [McAllister], two words, Gloria [DeJonge], two words, Avril [Daniels], two words.<\/p>\n

Doreen<\/strong>: Good night, comrades.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Responds.<\/p>\n

Doreen<\/strong>: I am very, very happy to be here with you, and I\u2019ll take back all the warm greetings that you all have given us. We feel very, very happy to be here with you, I can assure you that. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Unknown 1 (either Gloria or Avril)<\/strong>: Good night, comrades. It\u2019s so good to be with you. Well, it\u2019s a pity that our stay is so short. But I hope to come back sometime in the near future.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Unknown 2 (either Gloria or Avril)<\/strong>: Good\u2013 good night to you, comrades all. I must say how happy, happy I am to be here. And thank you very much for your hospitality.<\/p>\n

Duke<\/strong>: Thank you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Susan<\/strong>: Good night, comrades. It\u2019s so nice to be here. I was told by my son, his name is Colin McAllister, he was here some time, when I told him I was coming, he said, oh mommy, you\u2019ll come. I\u2019m going to give you the money to pay the plane passage. You come and you\u2019ll have a wonderful time. And indeed, I had a wonderful, wonderful time. (Laughs) Good night.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Duke<\/strong>: Uh\u2013 I\u2019m sure that Susan speaks for all of us when we say we\u2019ve had a wonderful time, and as soon as we have an opportunity, we will come back again. Now, uh\u2013 We have seen your cultural presentations yesterday, and I\u2019ve observed your high standard tonight. What we are attempting to do is just to give you an ex\u2013 an idea of what we can do if we have practice. Right? (Laughs) Uh\u2013 (tape edit) Because all are (unintelligible word) socialism, and we are working (unintelligible word), before we begin to perform \u2013 perform \u2013 uh, (unintelligible phrase) round I wanted to sing, it\u2019s a kind of community round. The words are very easy. We\u2019ll divide in three. I was looking to see how I can divide us up, uh\u2013 We have one set over there, the table will be another set, over here will be another set. I\u2019ll tell you what it is. (Moves microphone) Don\u2019t be afraid. (unintelligible phrase) Socialism is our destiny, capitalism our enemy, work, comrades, together. That\u2019s all. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Music plays.<\/p>\n

Duke<\/strong>: Uh\u2013 We will since it twice through, so that you can catch it if you can, and then we will learn it now. Hope you don\u2019t mind.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

(Extended performance by members of WRSM, including false starts)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Marceline Jones<\/strong>: \u2013Guyana, and uh, back then, it was not a country that we would choose<\/em> to rear our beautiful children in, but today, uh, we\u2019re so grateful to be a part of a socialist country. And today, we were able to adopt two children, which uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (off mic) Just today alone.<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: Just today alone, which is a small<\/em> thing that we can do. I also would like to say that uh, due to the friendship and of course the expertise of our attorney [Charles Garry], it\u2019s due to him<\/em> that this man who been with<\/em> our opposition is coming down to see what\u2019s happening here. But I think it\u2019s a tribute to Guyana and its greatness and its potential, that we should be attacked (Pause) and the attack agin us\u2013 against us is really<\/em> a way of trying to destabilize Guyana, knowing well that we have been socialists all our lives, and wherever we are, we will help build a socialist nation.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (off mic) The interesting thing about Domingo told me personally that (unintelligible under voices closer to mike) that this man is (unintelligible word) what Domingo said, and he said Guyana was a\u2013 a major concern, they were trying to destabilize Guyana by working through us, (unintelligible) all of our Guyanese (mic comes on) comrades, they say thick or thin, hell or high water.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause and cheers.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: \u2013to live for total<\/em> economic and racial equality, and I thank all of you, very, very, very much for being here. It\u2019s been an inspiration to me, and I know, everybody here. Thank you so much.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: \u2013to give us service that we need to desperately, Dr. Patrick Ng-A-Fook (mispronounced), who\u2013 Ng-A-Fook (mispronounced), I\u2019m sorry. Who is a dentist, who comes and\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And a good one.<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: I\u2019m sorry. And a good one.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: And a good one.<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/strong>: Exactly. And we appreciate so much your coming, and we\u2019d like to have you come and say a few words, Dr. (voice fades)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Ng-A-Fook<\/strong>: Good evening.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Good evening.<\/p>\n

Ng-A-Fook<\/strong>: First, I must thank\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (unintelligible) The microphone\u2019s not working. Give him the microphone, please.<\/p>\n

Ng-A-Fook<\/strong>: (Taps mike) Press here?<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Yes (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Ng-A-Fook<\/strong>: First I must thank uh, Bishop Jones for the privilege of serving his people here. It has been a very uh, great pleasure, and I only hope that your Mighty will continue to show his blessing, by giving him strength, good health and wisdom to continue this great work. All right, thank you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause. Audience quietens. Several moments of low conversation.<\/p>\n

Woman 1<\/strong>: Uh, peace. While we\u2019re getting set up these last few minutes, I just want to explain a few things. The house that we referred to\u2013 (tape edit)<\/p>\n

End of song.<\/p>\n

Woman 2<\/strong>: I ask you\u2013 (tape edit) filled with love for thee. Is there food a-plenty or starvation? And what about the birds eaten? (tape edit) Is there caring and sensitivity or apathy and (unintelligible word)? I believe that\u2013 that sometime in our lives have lived in a house similar to the one\u2013 (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jose Simon<\/strong>: (speaks in aboriginal language).<\/p>\n

Man 2<\/strong>: He says, this is what (unintelligible word) a little boy who\u2019s seen the white people come.<\/p>\n

Jose Simon<\/strong>: (speaks in aboriginal language)<\/p>\n

Man 2<\/strong>: When they came, they came and took his land\u2013 not his land, but all the poor people\u2019s land. He said, when he first\u2013 when he first came, they didn\u2019t bother him too much. He\u2019s talking about the Native Americans. They\u2013 they were more land crazy. They came and took all the land, started building factories, tore up all his hunting grounds, and after that, they put him in a reservation, and this is where all the oppressed (unintelligible). Now he\u2019ll sing one of the Native American songs.<\/p>\n

Jose Simon<\/strong>: (sings in aboriginal language)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Woman singer<\/strong>: (sings one line)<\/p>\n

(Tape silence. Edit)<\/p>\n

Skit performance about worthlessness of God who won\u2019t help people in need or who are poor. Preacher speaks only of Jesus. Crowd reacts and laughs.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Now, that\u2019s good. It\u2019s an important sidelight to take note of. Just two weeks ago, we find the opiate of religion is much more in the United States than here. A racist mayor [Dennis Kucinich] was brought up for recall, and they knew how to get to it, they called the recall for Sunday morning, and even though Cleveland, Ohio has a majority black people, they were at church, and the man was re-elected. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman singer<\/strong>: (Sings) Tell me, Anna, what does your house look like, Anna\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Man 4:<\/strong> Expecting to never hear from me again. But being here only gives me more time to plan my next move. Inside these walls, there\u2019s a whole different kind of world, a world where power is absolute, and the actions of the pigs that run this place are never questioned. No one on the outside could ever imagine the genocide of our people that goes on in here. (Pause) Remember George Jackson, remember Attica, remember the Wilmington 10. Remember all our brothers and sisters that\u2019ve been tortured and buried inside these walls. And remember, this house is only able to exist because you<\/em>dare not speak out in the face of truth. So speak out, and maybe you<\/em> can (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Woman singer<\/strong>: (Sings)<\/p>\n

Man 3<\/strong>: (unintelligible under singer) \u2013Jackson, cellblock nine.<\/p>\n

Woman singer<\/strong>: (Sings) There\u2019s a house over there on the edge of (unintelligible word) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man 4:<\/strong> Nobody cares about me. You see us (unintelligible word) lying in the streets, and you just step over and keep on going. Hey, dig, man. I got this degree in business education, right? So what good does it do me? They aren\u2019t hiring black businessmen. So I had to work hard all my life at odd jobs, washing dishes, porter work, and now my wife left me, the children all gone, and I\u2019m on welfare. Yes, I take a nip every now and then, but to give me uh\u2013 keep me going on. So think what you will. This is my house, and I guess I\u2019m stuck with it.<\/p>\n

Woman singer<\/strong>: (Sings) Tell me, Anna. What does your house look like, Anna? (speaks) Describe it to us, so we can find it, so we can bring news to all of you.<\/p>\n

Man 5:<\/strong> (Sings) <\/p>\n

I was born by the river in a little tent
\nJust like\u2013 (tape edit)
\nIt\u2019s been a long, a long time coming, but I know, my change is gonna come.
\nI do believe, I really do believe, deep in my heart, a change is gonna come.
\nAnd this is the way it used to be, when I would go to my brother, I\u2019d say brother, help me please
\nYou know he would wind up, he would wind up knocking me to my, my, my, my, my knees.
\nOh, every time it\u2013<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

End of side 1<\/p>\n

Side 2<\/p>\n

Man 5:<\/strong> (Sings) <\/p>\n

Oh, there\u2019ve been times that I thought, ohh, I couldn\u2019t last
\nI couldn\u2019t last too long,
\nBut I know there were change, there were change, there were change
\nSomeday gonna come to me, someday I know.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

(Speaks) A knock comes to the door. And I\u2019m given a command that I must fight and kill the enemy, who turns out to be a human like you and me, and I\u2019m bitter. Each day my bitterness grows deeper and deeper, as I wonder what we were really fighting for. You see, I volunteered my life to fight so that my family at home would be free and have a better life. And I am bitter. I wonder\u2013 I really wonder, who the enemy really is. It was\u00a0not<\/em>\u00a0the Vietnamese, it was not the Japanese, it was not the communists who told my mother that they would shoot her for being one minute late for work in the fields. Hell, she had a sick baby at home to care for.<\/p>\n

(<\/strong>Sings) It\u2019s been a long, a long time coming, but I know, change is gonna come.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

[Skit mostly in Spanish, lauding the work of Cesar Chavez]<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2013Mexican sister is one of our best cooks, and she can speak fluent English as well as Spanish.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Man 6:<\/strong> The house that I live in is deep in Bantu country. In Soweto and even throughout South Africa, it is a house that is on fire today with revolution. South Africa will win, or we will die fighting.<\/p>\n

Woman singer<\/strong>: (Sings)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Man 7:<\/strong> It\u2019s the year 1973. Months, August, September 11. In the beautiful capital of Chile, Santiago, has been overthrown by a fascist coup, supported by CIA. In Chile, many little children were killed, after bombing, shooting, and torturing. People ran, trying to find some to eat, and instead of finding uh, food to eat, they found a bullet in their body. Victor Jara was killed the same way. He was tortured. They pulled his fingernails. They cut him in his face, but he still had that thing (unintelligible word), that good faith that socialism was going to go through. He smiled, and he gave a song to the Chileans, and he kept smiling, and the military junta kept laughing, and telling him, keep singing, poet. This song is what he sang. [Sings in Spanish]<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Man 8:<\/strong> \u2013Vietnamese, and I\u2019m proud to be a Vietnamese. What I have to say tonight cannot be taken lightly, but those who have a heart can only be taken seriously. This house that I live in is a small village about 500 people. I painfully remember the time the bomb had hit our village, the man\u2019s bomb, the US-imperialist dog bomb that was made for people like me and people like all over the Third World countries. I remember my village\u2013 it was\u2013 painfully, I remember the village that I lived in was surrounded by the military, and the shots came in our village. (Pause) And I remember mothers and children screaming and crying all around me, horrified of this. I remember that a sergeant who gave an order to a private to shoot an innocent mother in the back (cries out) just because (voice moderates) she tried to protect her child. I remember what the man\u2019s bomb did our people, I remember the napalm, and what it did to us, little harmless little babies. Just like the ones sitting here before you and me. How it melted the skin away from their bodies. And what for, I ask you, what for? What was the true reason of this war, this blood\u2013 this bloodiest war. I\u2019ll tell you what for. It was because we had raw materials, it was because we had tin, the tungsten, the rubber that the US corporate elite that need it to profit by. It was\u2013 It was because of IT&T, the duPonts, the Rockefellers, and the J. Paul Gettys that (unintelligible phrase)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls<\/p>\n

Man 8:<\/strong> Those<\/em> are the people responsible for this war, and those are the people that are responsible for wars all over this country. And what I have to\u2013 And we won our battle, and the battle\u2019s been won all over the country. The battle\u2019s been won in Africa, Latin America, and all over Asia, like Kampuchea and Laos, and it\u2019s gonna be won all over, if the people stick together. And the key to this\u2013 this<\/em> is the key. That as long as one person in this world is not free, we all<\/em> are not free, and we have to fight that struggle.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls and applause<\/p>\n

Woman singer<\/strong>: (Sings) Tell me, Anna, what does your house\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman 3<\/strong>: Yeah, you say you don\u2019t want to die because\u2013 I don\u2019t want to die because. Now let\u2019s think about this. You don\u2019t want to die, because I don\u2019t want to die. Now, what would cause you to say that? Is it because you have a fine job and a nice home in the suburbs? Or is it because you wear pink and yellow colors, and all the women that scream from a cause unknown? Hmmph. That\u2019s no cause for you to forget who is the cause of our brothers and sisters being exploited and oppressed. Many of our people have children to die for causes, people like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, [Patrice] Lumumba, and better yet, my dear friend and my unforgotten sister, yours truly, Harriett Tubman. (Pause) I mean, I look back and I think about the cause, the cause of the neutron bomb, the cause of many things that we will never forget. What is the cause for the cause, just because. You better find a cause to die for soon, because if you don\u2019t, you\u2019re gonna die anyway. I hope you get right soon and find a cause to die for, and that cause need to die just because you don\u2019t believe that there is no cause to die for? Hmmph. I still say, you better think about it. You don\u2019t want to die. You don\u2019t want to die, because I don\u2019t want to die? Hmmph. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man 9:<\/strong> (Guttural sounds)<\/p>\n

Woman 3<\/strong>: Listen, my people, and all my oppressed people. It is glorious to die for a cause, and may I say again, not because.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Man 9:<\/strong> And remember, a person would not be a person if they didn\u2019t have a cause to die for. And you know, that cause would just happen to be freedom. I mean (stretches out word) freedom.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Man 9:<\/strong> (Calls out) I said, remember. I said, remember. Remember, remember. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Man 9:<\/strong> (Guttural sounds) Remember!<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Prokes<\/strong>: How could I ever do this thing that I\u2019m being asked? What false figures and doctored statistics must I feed into this computer so that it will give the generals the answers they need to carry on a war that not only\u00a0can\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0be won, but should not be won? What is the morality of trying to destroy a brave people, the Vietnamese, whose belief in their cause is so strong, that they fight back harder with\u00a0firmer<\/em>\u00a0resolve each time their land and their babies are\u00a0blown up<\/em>\u00a0by America\u2019s bombs.\u00a0Beautiful land. Precious babies. I\u2019ve\u00a0seen<\/em>\u00a0them. Human beings so proud, so bold, and yet we call them \u201cgooks\u201d because it\u2019s so much easier to drop napalm on \u201cgooks\u201d than it is on human beings.\u00a0(Pause) What kind of vicious inhumanity is this? What kind of sick and depraved minds would look at\u00a0persons<\/em>\u00a0as if they were\u00a0things<\/em>?\u00a0This<\/em>\u00a0is racism, like the world has never seen before! And you want me to tell you that this war can be\u00a0won<\/em>? It\u2019s already\u00a0lost<\/em>. It was lost, America, when you told that poor young black man whom you wouldn\u2019t provide a job for, that you would pay him to fight. You gave him no choice! And then you lied to him. You told him that he was going to fight for someone\u2019s freedom, when he did not have his own!<\/p>\n

Man in crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/strong>\u00a0And now he\u2019s dead. You killed him, America. (Voice climbs) And you don\u2019t even care. Damn<\/em> you, America! And damn your system, your abominable<\/em> war, and your men who created it!\u00a0Damn you, Secretary Rusk [Dean Rusk, Secretary of State] and Secretary McNamara [Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense] for\u00a0lying<\/em>\u00a0to the people to hide the death and destruction you\u2019ve caused! Damn<\/em>\u00a0you, General [William] Westmoreland and General [Maxwell] Taylor for the premeditated murder of innocent babies whose blood drips from\u00a0your<\/em>\u00a0hands! (Voice drops, then climbs) And damn\u00a0you<\/em>, President [Lyndon] Johnson!\u00a0You<\/em>\u00a0who could\u2019ve stopped it all, but kept it going because you didn\u2019t want to look weak<\/em> or admit you were wrong! (Voice moderates) You\u00a0blinded<\/em>\u00a0yourself to the tortures and\u00a0the pain, all because you wanted to perpetuate your immoral and corrupt power!\u00a0And you want me to feed your statistics into this computer? I\u2019ll feed it all right, but I\u2019ll feed it with the truth, and I\u2019ll take the truth that comes out, the truth which reveals America\u2019s committing one of the greatest atrocities in the history of mankind. I\u2019ll\u00a0take<\/em>\u00a0that truth, and expose it to the world!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Two women alternate voices, the first spoken, the second with the same words in song<\/strong>: Flowers won\u2019t grow. Bells won\u2019t be ringing. Who really cares? Who is willing to try? To save a world that is destined to die. When I look at the world, it fills me with sorrow. Little children today are really gonna suffer. Oh what a shame, such a bad way to live. Who is to blame, when we can\u2019t stop living? Live for lying. But let\u2019s live, everybody.<\/p>\n

Woman 1 speaks, woman 2 croons<\/strong>: Live life for the children. Who really cares? Save the children. Save the babies. Save the babies. Who really, really cares. Who is willing to try, yes, to save a world, a world that\u2019s destined to die. Save the babies. Save the babies. (Both sing) Save our babies.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman singer<\/strong>: (Sings) <\/p>\n

\u2013To all of us
\nGuyana is so beautiful, to me
\nYes, I see
\nIt\u2019s everything I\u2019d ever hoped for, and it\u2019s everything to me
\nGuyana is so beautiful, to me
\nGuyana is so, so beautiful, to me
\nGuyana is so beautiful, to me
\nYes, I see
\nIt\u2019s everything everything everything I\u2019d ever hoped for
\nAnd it\u2019s everything everything everything everything to me
\nGuyana is so beautiful, (Calls out) I want to clap my hands
\nGuyana is so beautiful, (Calls out) I want to say it again
\nGuyana is so beautiful, (Calls out) Can you say it with me
\nGuyana is so beautiful, (Calls out) Come on, clap your hands
\nGuyana is (Calls out) One more time, one more time, one more time, one more time,
\nGuyana is so beautiful, to me, yeah.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2013 is better under Carter, and I shall never forget him stroking his beard, and saying, now Reverend\u2013 Now Reverend, people come and go, but institutions remain the same. (Snorts) And that\u2019s what we have to remember. It\u2019s socialism, and only<\/em> socialism that will solve the problem.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Enthusiastic applause<\/p>\n

Instrumental music.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2013in the Pegasus, when she\u2019s our generator builder, she [Deanna Wilkinson] made a generator with scraps and parts, one of our generators. That\u2019s how effective she is. She made a whole<\/em> generator herself. Also, when she was a child, white racists threw acid in her face, and our group did cosmetic surgery, and it\u2019s never spoiled her spirit. She\u2019s got life, zest, and inspiration, and the knowledge that all we have, in closing, socialism will win one day.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Enthusiastic applause and calls<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman singer<\/strong>: <\/p>\n

It feels good, to rise with the morning bird,
\nIt feels good, to look at the setting sun,
\nIt feels good, to see all the work we\u2019ve done,
\nIt feels good, to sing to the rain.<\/p>\n

The sun, the moon, the two can fly
\nThe painted clouds caress the sky
\nSocialist vision fills ours eyes
\nAs we build, our future is now.<\/p>\n

It feels good, to work in the eddoe fields
\nIt feels good, to eat what our labor yields,
\nIt feels good, to work with you side by side,
\nIt feels good, to sing to the rain.<\/p>\n

Our cutlass shining in the sun
\nSwing it \u2018til our work is done
\nThe young and old unite as one
\nAs we build, our future is now<\/p>\n

It feels good, to watch all the children grow
\nLike healthy banana trees in a row
\nIt feels good, to watch little children smile
\nIt feels good, to sing to the rain.<\/p>\n

To all of our distinguished guests
\nTo welcome you to this land so blessed
\nWe\u2019re proud to stand as socialists
\nCome now, and share our new home<\/p>\n

La la la<\/p>\n

It feels good, to work in the eddoe fields
\nIt feels good, to eat what our labor yields,
\nIt feels good, to work with you side by side,
\nIt feels good, to sing to the rain.<\/p>\n

Our cutlass shining in the sun
\nSwing it \u2018til our work is done
\nThe young and old unite as one
\nAs we build, our future is now<\/p>\n

La la la<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2013If you\u2019d like to look at our list of movies, and there\u2019re some very good ones, I don\u2019t know whether you\u2019re late owl folk or not, but the theater is yours. You can look at our list, and we have a good list, if you feel staying up a little bit later than usual, we would uh, welcome any film we have, and there\u2019re some very<\/em>, very good ones. Now I wouldn\u2019t<\/em>suggest Roots<\/em>, or you will not get any sleep, because it\u2019s nine hours long.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Scattered laughter<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, that\u2013 that\u2019s their business. Every hour, particularly the first part, is so realistically done. Of course, at the last, they sort of have to make it appear like the white man helped us get through, but otherwise\u2013 otherwise it is excellent. They tampered with the book a little at the end, but it\u2019s an excellent, excellent film. I\u2019ll name some, and if you would like to\u2013 We have one, with Cuba [Fidel Castro] being inter\u2013 interviewed by Barbara Walters, The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman<\/em>, she was a black woman in her hundreds that took on racism. It\u2019s a true story. The Klansman<\/em>, with Richard Burton, a\u2013 an increasing dangerous phenomena in the United States these days. I don\u2019t know what The Magnificent Seven<\/em>is. What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/strong>: Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Cowboy. Little\u2013 Little Big Man. Little Big Man<\/em> is a remarkable movie. It\u2019s a Indian, a chief and uh, all the experiences around\u2013 I don\u2019t move to tears easily, but it moved me to tears. Then there\u2019s Soul Train<\/em>, (speaks under breath), Rollerball, Sleeper. Network<\/em> is also a very uh, revealing way that the press is manipulated in USA, but good actors. The Sting. The Front<\/em> is only an hour and about 20 minutes. This was about the McCarthy Era, and how the Cold War went after all those in Hollywood, and it\u2019s an actually true story. And who is that good actor in it? Woody Allen. You might like that. What\u2013 whatever. It\u2019s your choice. I could go on and on and on and on. The Hospital<\/em> is a revelation on how US hospitals are, and believe me, I tho\u2013 I\u2019m remembering everything like it, it almost seemed like my own experience. The Chase<\/em> is just one of them\u2013 one of those kind of, you know, shoot-\u2018em-up mu\u00ad\u2013 movies, I guess. Citizen Kane<\/em> is really a uh, takeoff on William Randolph Hearst and the power he wields in the United States over the\u2013 the people\u2019s minds, through the media. Planet of the Apes <\/em>and Beneath the Planet of the Apes<\/em>, sorta shows how people would respond if they ever were to meet extraterrestrial beings. I don\u2019t know\u2013 I don\u2019t know what else I could uh, mention to you. There\u2019s a number of other things here. You can look at it, and if there\u2019s any one or whatever vote you take, the night\u2019s yours. We\u2019re so happy to have you, there\u2019s no way we could express the joy that you brought us<\/em>. You brought the joy with you. We love you very much.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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