{"id":113290,"date":"2022-01-30T15:25:06","date_gmt":"2022-01-30T23:25:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=113290"},"modified":"2023-06-16T14:34:15","modified_gmt":"2023-06-16T21:34:15","slug":"q937-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=113290","title":{"rendered":"Q937 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

This tape was transcribed by Heather Shannon. The<\/em> editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> [begins in mid-sentence] \u2013what was absolutely essential. Production here has fallen too. We\u2019ve got to increase<\/em> our production, and get out in the fields, and everyone has got to know the talk<\/em> of the fields. We\u2019ve got to know how many acres we have in cassava and how many acres we have in eddoes. We have to know how many piglets there are over in the piggery. We have to know how many cattle we are preparing to get, we have to know how much milk it takes to produce\u2013 to produce milk, how much cheese for this entire family. How many bags of cassava to each\u2013 for each meal? We need to know that.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> How many bags does it take?<\/p>\n

[Multiple people answer] Eight.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Eight. How many bags of eddoe, the same, eight. [talking over crowd] How many pounds of sugar? A day?<\/p>\n

[Multiple people speak]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, it\u2013 uh, 275 pounds (pause) of sugar a day. How many pounds of rice?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Not now. Because of the shortage of our own field production, it\u2019s going to be double<\/em> that. It\u2019s gonna be 350 pounds of rice a day. That\u2019s a lot of rice. Too<\/em> much rice to have anybody take it like we had today \u2013 Do we have any of those names? \u2013 took the rice and then did not eat it. We give you the best rice. We didn\u2019t get the cheapest rice \u2013 we could get it for 9 cents less a pound \u2013 we get you the best rice we can get. We\u2019d get brown rice if it were available, but it\u2019s the same price. It\u2019s just not available. All orders in for brown rice. But when we get you the best rice, we expect you to eat it, if you take it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Responds<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because there\u2019s a few hundred more of our family back there in hell<\/em>. Over there on hell<\/em> side. And it\u2019s so easy to forget hell. You look at the movies we had last night and think like, well, you forget all the problems, but some of you remember [voice climbs] every day and every hour, when Jim Jones and Peoples Temple were being smeared<\/em> and lied upon<\/em> and cut down in every goddamn media all over the whole West Coast. Don\u2019t you forget that hell. It\u2019s easy to step over here in paradise and forget that, but that hell is still going on back there for hundreds of our people. And it\u2019s not right that anyone would waste<\/em>, while we\u2019re trying to conserve and bring our people to freedom. So we want to know those who betray<\/em>. If it was unconscious today, tomorrow if you do it, if you waste food, it will be conscious,<\/em> and we will consider it counterrevolutionary.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Calls and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If there are names of those that you have that you can bring to my attention, other than those who\u2019ve already confessed it, the only way to avoid public humiliation, which is a good form of discipline. It\u2019s better than boxing. It\u2019s better than spanking. We\u2019d rather compliment and humiliate<\/em>, so that we can grow, than to get into physical violence with one another, wouldn\u2019t we?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because we remember the days when there were too many goddamn enemies out there that we had something against. Let\u2019s save our anger for them. It reminded me of someone here that broke up a fight, and I\u2013 I was very touched to\u2013 a lad here broke up a fight between two brothers. I don\u2019t know just where it is, I\u2019ll find it here. Larry Tupper. We want to praise him and give him an, uh\u2013 an extra dessert slip for breaking up a fight. He stopped two brothers from fighting in\u2013 fight\u2013<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [mid-sentence] \u2013and get us tanks free and other kinds of reductions of price and communicate us to the far winds. And if anybody causes problems<\/em> here when we have people come in like that, there\u2019ll be problems for you. Minister of Public Works went back to Georgetown raving<\/em> about what he saw here. Even they wrote it down in our book, and be sure that they always do. The first thing when anyone comes in here, be sure, if someone would not be present, some coordinator or secretary, you be sure that you remind the relief person that they sign our book. Because they put down some very fascinating things. Permanent secretaries of government wrote down in clear black and white that this was a model community for everyone to emulate throughout the world. And we want to get a lot of that going, because we certainly\u2019ve had a lot of damned enemies. Now this happens to be a warm night. But normally a night like this is not warm<\/em> like tonight. It\u2019s usually much cooler. But it\u2019s sure much better than a sweltering heat that we were told that the papers said, that we were living in a swamp in sweltering heat and surrounded by savages and eaten up by mosquitoes. Oh, those lies those sons-a-bitches told to try to keep our people from c\u2013 wanting to come over here. They just wanna keep us apart<\/em>, because they know when we\u2019re together, we\u2019re like a black panther.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cries out and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace.<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [starts mid-sentence] \u2013[unintelligible word] army that cannot know any defeat, and that\u2019s the only reason they\u2019ve told all that bullshit, and we\u2019re glad for some of you that pursued on<\/em> through and didn\u2019t listen to what bullshitters had to say, \u2018cause I told you years<\/em> ago and in the last months, I persisted to tell you, enjoy <\/em>the good news because the shit\u2019s around the corner.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I said they\u2019ll attack us because they can\u2019t keep<\/em> from doing that, they have<\/em> to do that, because we are communist, we are Marxist-Leninist socialist on the road to fulfilling communist goals, and they had <\/em>to attack us. No other way, they had to call us bad. Because if they didn\u2019t, we would\u2019ve been able to sweep into the countrysides up and down the West Coast. And even though we haven\u2019t even begun to infiltrate, we were further on the road. Charles Garry said the other night, he had never seen in all of his life a movement so<\/em> solidified, so strongly cohesive. He said the entire Communist Party USA cannot compare to the power<\/em> and togetherness and organization and fundraising ability and capability in every<\/em>scope that Peoples Temple has. That\u2019s quite a compliment. And you think the fascists, you think the CIA, the conspirators, the lackeys, the running dogs of imperialism are going to stand by and not attack us? Of course,<\/em> they had to attack us. And they planned an attack in the United States and destroying us before we could get our second wind and regroup, and now they are up, I\u2019m sure, shit creek wondering what the hell we\u2019re doing out on these 27,000 acres.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cries out and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Said a little child will lead them. One child came up to me not many days ago when we were in the middle of a confrontation and said, One thing, Father, if we had to go back, we have sure got our shit together.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Laughs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And that\u2019s the goddamn truth. We came over to Guyana, and we\u2019ve enjoyed a long<\/em> vacation. And if it ended tomorrow, we got our shit<\/em> together.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Calls and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. But it\u2019s not ending tomorrow, child. These acres, there\u2019re thousands of acres out there, 5,000 mile we can wander through the jungles to preserve our integrity<\/em> and our family lifestyle. And by God, we\u2019ll fight to preserve it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And the only way we will go back to America if it\u2019s toppling, or the nuclear dust has begun to settle. Unless there\u2019s hope for change, I ain\u2019t a-going back.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Calls \u201cno\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Negative, negative. That\u2019s a negative copy, as they say. Anybody have any question tonight on any matter? I\u2019m sure sometimes you may wonder about things. Ask any question you have on your mind.<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Remember I took 120-some on the boat, our Jonestown Express, the Marcy<\/em>, the Cudjoe<\/em>. Some of those kids, when they landed, I wondered how in the hell they kept out of jail as long as they had.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/strong>Laughs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I mean, I wondered how they did it. They were splittin\u2019 each other\u2019s heads open when they land in Georgetown. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s true. Little\u2013 uh, some of these kids would cut each other\u2019s heads open, they were fightin\u2019 and shootin\u2019, even. One\u2013 one child, he nearly killed another. Now out here, we have peace. These same children, like Mike Jones \u2013 you wouldn\u2019t recognize Michael Jones. No, you wouldn\u2019t recognize him. He\u2019s such a changed young man. We salute<\/em> that change, comrade. We\u2019re proud of you, comrade. Let\u2019s\u2013 Aren\u2019t we\u2013 Hold \u2018im up there, we\u2019re proud of it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Out raking our sidewalks. And that\u2019s what Jonestown means. That\u2019s what communism means. Only Jonestown, Father and communism can bring that change. If you<\/em> don\u2019t remember him, I do, because I had to deal with him every 15 minutes. And I\u2019m so proud of what he\u2019s doing now. Any\u2013 any que-<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/strong>\u2013I was reading an article in the Socialist Chinese, uh, magazine.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/strong>Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s just like I said it would be. You sweat out the toxicities. Even when you don\u2019t sweat, the heat b\u2013 draws out all<\/em>the impurities of your body. It\u2019s the best place to live. Not only that it is our land,<\/em> and there\u2019s no racist police comin\u2019 in all the time, no white faces we have to look at, with their goddamn countenances lit up with hate. No oppressor that we have to h\u2013 see paraded in front of the TV. Don\u2019t have to listen to Ambassador Young [United Nations Ambassador Andrew Young] be impeached and nobody wanting to do anything about it. Even the black sellout Uncle Toms cooperating with it. Don\u2019t have to set and wait for a nuclear bomb, and no place to protect your children. Don\u2019t have to listen to the police state growing by leaps and bounds, and the Ku Klux Klan marching, and chapters formed in every goddamn county and now marching up and down the whole southern border of the United States, even supplied with money and equipment by the United States, because they\u2019re helping immigration service keep out aliens. It\u2019s a hell of a business to live in a country when you can\u2019t do anything and nobody wants to do anything. Even when you want to resist, nobody wants to resist with you. It\u2019s a mighty good feeling that there\u2019s not a goddamn condition here that can confront us that we have got a\u2013 at least an option. In America, you don\u2019t have any options. When starvation and economic loss comes, like the dollar\u2019s dropped so sharply on the market today, when that happens in America, you don\u2019t have any options. When there is no food in San Francisco, you\u2019ll never<\/em> see Steiner Street grow potatoes. You\u2019ll never see a fuckin\u2019 pig down Geary Avenue. Only a white pig in a black car\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Scattered voices and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013with a little badge on his son-of-a-bitchin\u2019 chest, that looks like a pig, all right. I know why they call \u2018em pigs<\/em>. I missed that\u2013 that\u2019s the only kind of pig I\u2019ve missed. We\u2019ve got good pigs down the way. Little piglets under the dormitories when I was making my morning inspection today. And, by God, you that missed the twilight, by the way, you\u2019re missing something. You ought to look up at the rainbow, but you ought to see the suns\u2013 the\u2013 the sunrise. Jesus Christ, this morning, the sun was scarlet colors and the blue and the purple all mixed, it was something out of\u2013 out of a book of wonderland. And last night\u2019s setting of the sun and this afternoon the rainbow up in the sky, Jesus, the beauty all around us. We got beauty every day, we got each other every day, we don\u2019t have to walk down the sidewalk and meet no fuckin\u2019 Ku Klux Klan, ain\u2019t no fuckin\u2019 Ku Klux Klan around.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s wonderful. Until that small time when the conspiracy tried to reach over here and destroy a great nation, even to get us, that\u2019s how important we were. Since that time, anybody comes up here, the head of the Ministry of Health today to spraying for mosquitoes coming back Thursday to begin the spraying, gone take four days. Spray under our buildings and everywhere, we still have to go on and do our job, but he [unintelligible word] spraying the buildings. Don\u2019t keep any food in that building when he comes your way, and anything, any pr\u2013 pictures out. But he gonna do that, and that doesn\u2019t cost us anything. But they come here and eat of our bread and drink of our drinks, and you can feel an air of friendliness. Today, a Venezuelan Guyanese and Indian Guyanese, Black Guyanese, all with a spirit of friendliness. Never once was I ever visited by any official in the United States that represented any goddamn bureau that I ever felt he was friendly. I never met one of the fuckers I ever thought was friendly. If it was police, whoever. That one FBI man we\u2013 we\u2013 he\u2013 we\u2013 he\u2013 even with the warmth we put on him, he was stiffer than a coal poker. You remember, the ol\u2013 those coal poker sons-of-bitch that stood up there and talked to us about being Christian and Bible readers? And looked like he was ready to be\u2013 shit or go blind, just b\u2013 being around us? Even that is about a friendly as you\u2019re ever gonna get in that system. But here, we have options. They wanna come with planes, we\u2019re like the Vietnamese. We could scatter and be in the jungle in no time, and that fuckin\u2019 napalm couldn\u2019t find us. And they won\u2019t be dropping any thermonuclear bombs down here, because they\u2019re going to need too many to protect their own capitalist imperialistic assholes up there.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> There\u2019re no cconcentration camps<\/a> that they can drag us off to, because just give us 15 minutes and our ass is hid<\/em>, and they\u2019ll have to hunt for 5,000 miles.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> There I\u2019m talkin\u2019. We got some old troopers here. Everybody says, \u201cWhere\u2019s your cemeteries?\u201d They can\u2019t get over it. \u201cWhere\u2019s your cemetery?\u201d Haven\u2019t got a cemetery yet. Some of you are contrary, I know you waste food and you break rules and somebody\u2019ll die sometime. And some of the si\u2013 ill, most ill people here won\u2019t keep a rule. But nonetheless, up \u2018til this time, for several months we\u2019ve settled in Jonestown in three and a half years, the total community nearly four<\/em> years. Nobody dead. That\u2019s something to say. That\u2019s something to talk about.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We have an option. No matter what they bring us, we have an option. We can give our children a promise of life, and we could not give them a promise of one goddamn day in the United States, not one goddamn day. We didn\u2019t know what the hell was around any goddamn corner. Never had any chance. No way to get out with nature, there was no place to run to. Now you want to take a walk, and if you\u2019ll do it in groups, don\u2019t walk singularly, because we have the place patrolled. But if you want to go take a walk, you can go out to the falls \u2013 I did it on Sunday \u2013 you can take a walk out through the most paradisical land you\u2019ve ever seen. Charles Garry, with all of his wealth, his Porsche car and his diamond stick pins, said, I don\u2019t want to leave this place. It was like holy ground down here in camp one. He just wanted to breathe in the experience. And he\u2019s regretted ever since he went back to the United States. Said he wouldn\u2019t have gone<\/em>, if it hadn\u2019t been for uh, being on television, he wouldn\u2019t have gone. And he left us a promise, and he had to get that promise, that he would always have a place here. Wealthiest white man, most prestigious white man, rather, in the country, I suppose. But it hasn\u2019t satisfied. Lonely man trying to lift his eyelids. That\u2019s what he\u2019s done, he\u2019s had operation to have his eyelids lift\u2013 lifted and his hair stretched. Poor old man, any\u2013 anytime the rain rained, he had to spend an hour to get his hair fixed up. That\u2019s sad.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And round\u2013 around here, give him another few more days, he\u2019da forgot about his hair. He wouldn\u2019t look all bad bald at all. Here you don\u2019t have to worry about droopy eyela\u2013 eyelids. But there he had to go through painful operation. It\u2019s not funny to have eye\u2013 your eyelids cut and lifted, and your face lifted and scraped away. That\u2019s America, 1977. How fortunate we are to have a place where nobody\u2019s lookin\u2019 at your eyelids.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s true. Nobody that\u2019s really socialist is looking at your eyelids. (Pause) Any other questions?<\/p>\n

Man in crowd<\/strong>: Voice too soft<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [mid-sentence] \u2013and Venezuela and some of the Caribbeans making alliances with the Arabs. That suits me. I\u2019d make alliance with anybody<\/em> as long as I can stay away from Yankees. Let \u2018em come. We\u2019ll bargain for a little of their oil. Jesus, you\u2019d be shocked at some of the things I\u2019m doing. I\u2019d do anything to keep this family alive. Planning long trips in case somebody wanna come here and start shit. Honey, what your Father\u2019s done, you should thank your lucky stars every day. \u2018Cause someone would come here and say what if they come for someone that had a custody charge, tried to kidnap them? Well. If\u2013 [chuckles] If they really want to take their life in their hand, let \u2018em come in here and try to kidnap<\/em>somebody.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. And if they put pressure on the government like they did before and try to topple it, we got travelin\u2019<\/em> plans. We got travelin\u2019 plans. I don\u2019t mean for all of us, I mean just for a few<\/em> of us. They come for somebody and they may be visiting us in Siberia that afternoon. [Short laugh] If they wanna come with their court order and go over to Siberia and get \u2018em, and then when they leave, we\u2019ll come\u2013 bring them back from Siberia, shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We got a lot of plans<\/em> in motion. And if we don\u2019t feel<\/em> like it, we won\u2019t use any<\/em> of the plans, we\u2019ll just stand here and form a circle like the Indians.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hm. Yes. If it gets too heavy. What a blessing we have in this place.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> With a\u2013 ah, just to look at you, just to look at the sweet faces and see the change. That\u2019s worth my comin\u2019 over here. I don\u2019t know whether you\u2019ve looked around and appreciated the health of our seniors. I said only\u2013 uh, except those that\u2019ve just not been here long enough. Only one with insulin problem, and all the people, diabetics, forty or fifty of them, cleared? My God. Forty\u2013 between forty and fifty diabetics cleared up? That\u2019s something to consider. And these youngsters that would\u2019ve sure as hell been in trouble. They were on their way to jail. They were on their way<\/em> to jail. I mean, some of the best young people in this place. They wouldna had these three months or four months they\u2019ve been here. [enunciates] They were on their way to jail. I mean, some of them were doing sing\u2013 things in that town out of hostility to the system, they were\u2013 All the things that were in the headlines, some of our kids were involved with. Do you hear what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Agrees<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause they couldn\u2019t stand<\/em> that oppression anymore. And it wouldna been long before the police woulda been at our church doors and take them away. For years and years. We oughta thank\u2013 uh, we oughta kiss<\/em> the ground, we oughta thank the principle bearer, our Father, every day for this chance, because if he\u2019d been like any other human being, [emphasizes] any other human being, woulda been thinkin\u2019 about their own comforts, woulda been thinking about their own conveniences, and you wouldn\u2019t have no food in the warehouses and money in the bank and a boat that comes up and down the streams and all this land, and all these supplies, because he<\/em> would have wasting it on <\/em>himself to such a degree that you wouldn\u2019t be here at this point in time, \u2018cause there\u2019s never been a leader [voice rises] Marxist-Leninist or anybody else [quietens] that\u2019s ever sacrificed like I have to see that you<\/em> get what you need. I can tell you that.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Applause and cheers<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And your lack of enthusiasm on the subject does not bother me. But it does show your ignorance. It shows your ignorance.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Applause lessens<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I seen revolutionaries in the revolutionary movies smoke their cigars and some\u2013 have their yachts and go in their special fine cars. If I had done<\/em> that, you wouldn\u2019t be here today.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Scattered affirmations<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s the truth. I have a special uh, it\u2019s a problem in my stomach, which I need carbonation. And they had a few of these, uh, colas<\/em>, those diet colas, and I drank them a while, and they said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to order more,\u201d and I said, \u201cNo. My stomach will have to find some way else to carbonate itself.\u201d So I don\u2019t have one damn convenience. You hear what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Scattered affirmations<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t even eat the meat that I need to maintain my physical\u2013 basic physical health. So I have shown that I care. And some of you\u2019ve shown it too. And we\u2019re gonna stick together, \u2018cause there\u2019s nothin\u2019 worth goin\u2019 back to. And there\u2019s nothin\u2019 better, and we should be grateful every moment.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And you sang like tonight like some of you know it. And I hope you won\u2019t forget it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We [tape edit] \u2013and our workers will be more proud of being workers than anything else. That\u2019s why I said\u2013 and I appreciate the kitchen\u2019s quick cooperation, when I announced today, I said, I want immediately to change the lines, so the workers don\u2019t have to wait in lines. We form two lines and let them have their plates, so they can come up and get what they want. Don\u2019t take more than you need. Take what you want, though. It may not be imposed on you more than you want. I said it\u2019s not right that they have to wait 45 minutes in a line. And I appreciated their cooperation. And I know the workers will make up for that. The true and conscientious workers will make up with more production. Give us more production so that we can feed our babies and our seniors and make it easier to get some from that horrible hell. And it\u2019s hell, honey. You talk to \u2018em on the radio. I tune you in on the radio at night just so you could know a little bit of the hell that goes on of just planning, and that was a mild<\/em> radio broadcast. That was nothing. That was nothing! You oughta tune in to hear the hell [stretches out word] every night. The first thing I got ahold of in San Francisco, there was new intrigue and chicanery and deviousness that the so-called relatives of the Olivers [Beverly and Howard Oliver, parents of Bruce and William Oliver] were trying to pull. And, uh, Shanda [James Oliver]\u2019s mother [Dorothy James] and the whole bunch of \u2018em, the damn people. And you say your relatives are different. They all are a bunch of motherfuckers, and you know they are. They\u2019re all motherfuckers.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. [voice rises] They\u2019re all motherfuckers, I said. You don\u2019t wanna clap, but I said they\u2019re all motherfuckers. Daddy<\/em> fuckers. Peace.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Applause continues, then dies down<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Olivers were very nice. They sent their sons over here very proudly, until some money come along.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> My God, for a few hundred dollars, they wanna raise hell and get in the newspaper and get that filthy [Joe] Mazor, that criminal, with 75-page criminal history and plan dirty work, work with the worst criminals that we have that\u2019ve conspired against us. That\u2019s what their loving mom and dad did in a matter of just a few hours<\/em> over a little money.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You ain\u2019t worth a piece of change to your loved one, honey.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd<\/strong>: That\u2019s true, that\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s all it is. The cost of a piece of change, ain\u2019t gonna have nothing to do with you. And some of you never like to look at me when I say your<\/em> relative is a daddy fucker and a motherfucker.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. They\u2019re all the same. Peace.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Applause dies down<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Say, a man writes me very nice letters. Asked h for a hundred dollars.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Every one of you think you got a good relative tonight, write up and say, I want a hundred dollars to help\u2013 we\u2019re adopting a child, I want a hundred dollars to help with\u2013 uh, with that child. Oh, yes, you say you\u2019re starving. They\u2019d like to look good so you\u2019d ha\u2013 they\u2013 you\u2019d have to be eternally grateful and have to say, Ohhh, you helped me out of that place. You helped me out of that awful place over there and that with\u2013 [stumbles over words] that Black and brown nation.\u201d Yeah, they\u2019d give you a hundred dollars maybe to get home. They might give you a airplane ticket to get home. But I dare<\/em> you to ask them for a hundred dollars for a little baby like Neal [Shaun Welcome], our precious Neal here that we just adopted, that Joyce [Touchette] took in and CT [Charles Touchette] adopted. Joyce and CT [stumbles over words] are in the process of adopting. [Cries out] I\u2013 I dare you to ask them for a hundred dollars for one of those precious little babies, and see how sweet<\/em> your mother fuckin\u2019, daddy fuckin\u2019 relative is.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cheers and clapping<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah. (Pause) My beautiful David [George] over there. And Philip [George] and Gabrielle [George]. Ask for some money to get them some dental work, or some medical work or some shoes, or clothes. You\u2019ll see<\/em> how your goddamn relatives are. All your relatives. You shitheads that still don\u2019t wanna believe that your relatives just like all the rest of us. Relatives ain\u2019t worth a shit<\/em>. Trouble<\/em>. That\u2019s what they are. Trouble. Mother [Irene] Edwards tonight, said I\u2019ll said\u2013 be\u2013 she said I\u2019ll be so glad. Her relatives caused nothing but trouble \u2018cause they want her property. <\/em>And so she got a little pittance and come over here. Neither property worth that much, but that\u2019s how it was worth too much for her. They did not\u2013 they did not want that money to get out of their hands. And one of her sisters gonna sue<\/em> this place [pauses] for a million dollars \u2019cause her heart was botherin\u2019 her over the money she didn\u2019t get from her sister. And she writes it right down in the letter. Said she\u2019s just all upset over that money she didn\u2019t get. That she\u2019s having heart trouble\u2013 she\u2019s gonna sue<\/em> this church for putting her through all that. Hope the old bitch dies of cancer of the nose.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Scattered response<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes. Peace.<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013Our whole planning now will be about just this type of thing, how to do it the best way, to rotate so that we are never without. and utilizing every acre, every piece of ground, even our yards<\/em> can be utilized. We were talking last night, some of us, how we can utilize, right up to the back of our cottages, and around the cottages, we can plant. And we should<\/em>put everything into growing something that we can. Yes, Sister [Mary] Black\u2013 [tape edit] What is it? Why we\u2019re not going ho-<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Took the husk off. That\u2019s all you gotta take off. Take the husk off and Eva [Pugh] found a process, Jim Pugh found a process to get those off. So we boil the husk off, so we\u2019re gonna start eatin\u2019 cutlass beans\u2013 don\u2019t\u2013 no, no, don\u2019t give any of that shit about vomiting. It\u2019s all in your head. \u2018Cause they won\u2019t cause you to vomit. It was tasty bean. [unintelligible] See, all you\u2019ve been eating of the cutlass bean is the green, \u2018cause there\u2019s a superstition that you can\u2019t eat the\u2013 the bean itself. And the only reason you couldn\u2019t eat that is because of the husk around the bean. We just snap that off and by god, we ate\u2013 we found delicious<\/em> bean, high<\/em> in protein. That\u2019s what you have to do. We have to\u2013 some of us, be guinea pigs. And all the guinea pigs again feel good, do you\u2013 do you have any\u2013 uh, [Richard] Tropp didn\u2019t even know what the fuck, he was, he was a guinea pig, didn\u2019t know it.<\/p>\n

People in crowd laugh, Jones laughs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The professor ate a whole bowl, he didn\u2019t know all the shit he was into. I asked him 45 minutes ago\u2013 oh, he did too, I told him. He\u2013 45 minutes, he said no, I haven\u2019t had any symptoms. Didn\u2019t you have any\u2013 I didn\u2019t even have any sh\u2013 gas. Shit, you get gas with every bean you eat in America. (Pause) What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/strong>Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Pinto beans. He said they can grow? Yes. We have them, he said. We have them. That\u2019s good. Ask questions, show interest. Yes. [tape edit] Hm?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/strong>Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s um, the\u2013 what\u2019d you just say?<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [cries out] \u2013ability to realize how much tension I have to go through to be a leader<\/em>! (Seethes) But my God, you gonna wave your fucking hand in my<\/em> face and see that you piss<\/em> when I\u2019m struggling between being a Father<\/em> and a leader. Goddamn<\/em> you, go piss.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/strong>Get up and go!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Go piss!<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Calls after woman (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It isn\u2019t easy for me to be a leader and a Father. (Pause) (Sighs) And I just would appreciate that you show sensitivity to the problem, so that you can grow. But honest to Christ, uh\u2013 and I agree, that anybody can be lighthearted. That’s<\/em> the kind of lightheartedness that gets me, though, just in the middle of it. Somebody wave their face [sighs], wave their hand at me. But it coulda been anyone. It wasn\u2019t more that young lady than anybody else. Okay, I\u2019ve said what I think, and I think what I said. (Sigh) (Pause) Vincent [Lopez].<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/strong>Do you understand what Father\u2019s been saying about you and Stephan [Jones]?<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Vincent Lopez<\/strong>: No, I wasn\u2019t. I didn\u2019t have a hard life.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well. That\u2019s all right. Good. Lot of these, uh, you know we\u2019ve had children here who\u2019ve had to have\u2013 who’ve been\u2013 who have, uh, been dug out the clutches of their dying mother or their dead mother, you know. We\u2019ve had some real sad stories here. Oh, I think you\u2019ve had a hard life, to some degree. You\u2019ve had a bitch like Grace [Stoen] manipulating over you. Sexually to disturb you when you didn\u2019t uh, know what the hell she was doin\u2019 and she didn\u2019t give a shit<\/em> and walked outta your life. Kicked you over here. So she didn\u2019t want to be bothered<\/em> with you, \u2018cause she had a new plaything. I think you have some things to be hostile about. But uh\u2013 but here<\/em> you\u2019ve had a lot of consideration. Friendship. Charlie and Joyce [Touchette] were subjective<\/em> about you. They indulged<\/em> you, man. They gave you every<\/em>opportunity. Just like I <\/em>was doing a moment ago. You have no reason to kick. You\u2019ve given more\u2013 you\u2019ve had attention here tonight than some people are gonna get in their lifetime. More patient concern to do the right thing by you. And I hope to Christ you can show us that it\u2019s worthwhile. How repressed, how resentful some people must feel in this room, who\u2019ve internalized their hurts and pains, and have to be quiet. What if every night we took up this much goddamn time with every person? There wouldn\u2019t be any movement. (Pause) There\u2019re kids have gotten good on their own here. They\u2019ve gotten good on their own<\/em> with no conversation. And we oughta think about that. We\u2019d make a big zero, we\u2019d be better\u2013 we\u2019d be better people. I\u2019ve had kids here that are doing magnificent things, and they haven\u2019t said a goddamn<\/em> word to me, nor I them, hardly other than, hello\u2013 Hello, Father. (Sighs) And I get the feeling of inequality, it just\u2013 it\u2013 it overwhelms me, \u2018til I feel like I can\u2019t handle it, so I don\u2019t want to get on that subject. I get\u2013 I get resentful. Some take too much time. It\u2019s time for you to grow up, young man. You\u2019re very bright. It\u2019s time for you to grow up.<\/p>\n

Vincent<\/strong>: Yes, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Okay. What is the\u2013 what is the ruling? I uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/strong>Too soft<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [mid-sentence] \u2013own kin, special foods, we\u2019ve [unintelligible word] and the people have come over here and left everybody. I walk by, I thought, I don\u2019t know, I w\u2013 walk w\u2013 one of the inspections around the houses today, I forgot who. [unintelligible word] Nancy Clay, Nancy Clay. She walked off and left every motherfuckin\u2019 one of \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> There she been out doin\u2019 her du\u2013 duty, walked off, left children. Arrogant, all of them. And some of them still don\u2019t appreciate the fact that some people had to walk off, they cared enough for a principle and they work every day and they left every child, every grandchild, everybody they had. They said, in a\u2013 so many words, fuck it.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Why are you\u2013 when you doing that, are you wanting to go to the bathroom? I don\u2019t know, uh, uh\u2013 Okay, okay.<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013then. If we look at ourselves, we\u2019ll change.<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Marceline Jones:<\/strong> This weight committee has been set up by\u2013<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Fuckin\u2019 [unintelligible word] school. And then [voice rises] You\u2013 you tell me, you don\u2019t do that. This child, you\u2019re very difficult here in school. You tell me that someone giving you difficulty, you don\u2019t uh, care a little bit less about what they get than somebody else has been nice to you. Don\u2019t give me none of that shit. And some sister over there, one of the worst damn shitheads <\/em>in this place would just nod and lookin\u2019 right at folks. Never look at yourself, though, do you, sister?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Cries<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause you just come up and complain today, someplace. I don\u2019t know what the hell it was over. A fl\u2013 a flagrant kind of a\u2013 a flagrant<\/em> kind of a discrimination though. But you could see her<\/em> error and I never hear you talk much about yours. Go ahead now, go ahead, I\u2019ve said my spiel.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I think that\u2019s what turned to enemy. I don\u2019t give a shit if they\u2013 I don\u2019t think it made a goddamn bit of difference if we were communist or fascist or nationalist or Martians. I don\u2019t think\u2013 I don\u2019t think principle had a goddamn thing to do with it. I think it was just that, here we are, don\u2019t fuck with us, don\u2019t cross our line. So I\u2019m committed to this family \u2018til, uh\u2013 as far as I know me, death do us part. Yes, you can go, baby, whoever it is. (Chuckles) And that\u2019s where I\u2019m at, philosophically. I don\u2019t know a damn thing about the rest of the world. I know that communism is right, whether anybody [unintelligible]?<\/p>\n

[Baby cries] [Pause]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Who\u2013 Somebody step on the child?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>(low conversation)<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [mid-sentence] \u2013wherever in the hell we go, I\u2019m gonna stick by you. I don\u2019t give a shit. I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t believe in anything but me, and some of you. And that\u2019s the very fact of it. I don\u2019t\u2013 That\u2019s where it\u2019s at. I advise\u2013 I critici\u2013 I look in too many films, I see too many fuckin\u2019 flaws, but I uh\u2013 One time one of our brothers was going through a trial, didn\u2019t believe in anything, and he said he\u2019s a nihilist. But that\u2013 I said to that brother, yeah, okay. But as long as you\u2019ve got a responsibility and you\u2019ve seen more character than nihilism, you can\u2019t be a nihilist. Can\u2019t justify it. Long as somebody needs you, you can\u2019t justify it. And so that\u2019s where I\u2019m at. You\u2013 you need my principle, and I think some of you realize that same thing in life that uh, people need you and you\u2013 you\u2019re my big family. That\u2019s better at least than having five<\/em>, isn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Scattered replies<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Se\u2013 seven hundred\u2019s better than five.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Scattered replies, baby cries<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But it\u2019s philosophy\u2013 some people said to me\u2013 one person said uh, and several have said to me, \u201cFather, you don\u2019t get up and s\u2013 expound too much anymore.\u201d I uh, I\u2013 I\u2013 I think when people expound a great deal, they\u2019re not livin\u2019 a lot. So I expound\u2013 When I do, I do it only because you need it, because you\u2019re still in that leadership aura. I don\u2019t trust big uh, long-winded fuckin\u2019 speakers. Nor the great rhetoric that comes out of their mouth. Left or right, I don\u2019t trust it. And for a long time I spoke in San Francisco, only because people needed it, to maintain the organization. But I haven\u2019t got a thing<\/em>to say. I hope that Vincent was sincere about it. If you can\u2019t see it in my life, then there\u2019s no fuckin\u2019 good to talk about it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Scattered replies<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And speakers, speakers, speakers. Anybody that enjoys speaking has to be an egotist, and an egotist on the left or an egotist on the right is dangerous. (Pause) But here we are, a group of communists up on this hill. And our first<\/em> loyalty better be to us. I had some people talkin\u2019 about, well, I wanna join GDF [Guyana Defence Force], I want\u2013 when can I go to GDF to do a\u2013 You\u2019re a crazy fucker. You better stay right here. You better talk about being loyal to Peoples Temple, because you get spread ass out all over this country in this organization, that organization, and we won\u2019t have shit<\/em>! We won\u2019t have one little bit of hold in this country. You better not think about joining anything<\/em> until we<\/em> talk about joinin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If you follow what I\u2019m saying.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Agrees.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We haven\u2019t come over here and found no panacea. We haven\u2019t found no goddamn panacea. We just got a lotta room. You understand what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Scattered replies<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We don\u2019t have the sophistication of a bunch of honkeys breathin\u2019 down our fuckin\u2019 neck. And we got ground that we can run to and things that we can utilize to live and give our children a chance. And what\u2019s going on in Georgetown isn\u2019t that much different than what\u2019s going on in Washington. So just get\u2013 don\u2019t be dreamers. Father\u2019s who you put your trust in. I came over here not because of Georgetown, because this gives us room and we\u2013 [microphone adjustment noises] Th\u2013 this is not your problem, son, I just keep following where you\u2019re going with that damn microphone. Uh\u2013 It\u2019s a little awkward. Uh, I came over here because this gave us the only opportunity to give our children options. We got options here. Washington gives us no options. Whether Washing\u2013 Washington is right, or Moscow. The goddamn missiles are gonna fall on our babies. Concentration camps, uh, the technology of Western society is so sophisticated it can develop then in a quick order, or can destroy whole races with ge\u2013 genocide weapons, ethnic weapons. That is not a problem here. We\u2019re pioneers. But don\u2019t think suddenly you\u2019ve landed in Gloryland. You follow me?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Agrees<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I mean, you have<\/em> landed in Gloryland. This is a Promised Land to us. But that doesn\u2019t mean every fucker walks in here is a part of that Promised Land. Okay. Uh\u2013 Who will be the person that\u2019s been here long period of time that would be uh, uh, good to uh, be doing this?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Reply too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> A lot of you didn\u2019t understand what I was saying. You better think on that, though. Go home and think on it.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Reply too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Okay, all right, fine, fine. We\u2019ll come up with someone. Okay. Know this, you haven\u2019t got anything better than this family. [unintelligible] way you can go. The world is an angry place, unless you have a movement. And we\u2019ve gotta keep this movement strong. Our first loyalty is to this<\/em> movement, to our<\/em> leader, to this<\/em> movement. Not to some communist movement outside of this movement, but to us first. You can\u2019t take loyalty on up until you\u2019re loyal first here. And don\u2019t ever think you\u2019re gonna split off from this movement and get a goddamn thing. All you\u2019ll do is get the shaft. When we\u2019re together, we can make it. As long as we keep that motto \u2013 if they come for one, they gotta come for all \u2013 we can make it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If we start trying to make individual compromises, you\u2019ll all lose in the process.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t Guyana that showed you socialism, it was Jim Jones.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right. Applause<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [mid-sentence] \u2013and we will be able to correct all the damage done. Is there not some transitional things that can be used?<\/p>\n

[Tape edit]<\/p>\n

Unidentified man:<\/strong> Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Mm-hmm. Well, what\u2019d you recommend? Sounds like a touchy subject. Particularly after Mother [Marceline Jones] told I want \u2018em at the [unintelligible]. Shit. Doc, you want to recall that transfer object? [Chuckles]<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/strong> Too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Go ahead, Tom [Grubbs].<\/p>\n

Grubbs:<\/strong> No, I\u2019m just saying there\u2019s kindly ways to establish a rapport with a child. We get the thumb out of the mouth, it doesn\u2019t have to be harsh, you can include them not feeling it so they don\u2019t feel like they need to reject you for defense.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And what are those kindly ways? Tell us. So we\u2019ll all know them\u2013<\/p>\n

Grubbs:<\/strong> Little Jed, little Jingles, I know several of them, I gotta say, they\u2019ll think, (sings) gonna get some cat shit for that thumb. (speaks) It\u2019s a silly little thing.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [unintelligible] So they can all do it, it\u2019ll all be universal. If it\u2019s been working for you, then fine for you.<\/p>\n

Grubbs:<\/strong> I just say, sing a little song, gone have the thumb-sucking, and so far most of them just get a\u2013 a mild embarrassment and then sto\u2013 you know, and take it off for a while.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You don\u2019t know what to get out of here. It don\u2019t work for me anymore. [unintelligible] \u00a0[chuckling]<\/p>\n

[tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shit, if I could shut out the world, I\u2019d try it. (Pause) You people, all put your thumb in your mouth. Jesus Christ. Some of you people are so proper. Come on, honey, back there. I didn\u2019t wanna put my dick in there.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>[Ribald laughter]<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Make her\u2013 make her\u2013 make her suck her thumb.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Stirs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> These goddamn people. Some of \u2018em are so holy.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Stirs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Okay, good.<\/p>\n

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