{"id":113735,"date":"2022-03-04T16:53:38","date_gmt":"2022-03-05T00:53:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=113735"},"modified":"2023-02-18T16:20:54","modified_gmt":"2023-02-19T00:20:54","slug":"deborah-touchette-on-adams-and-mann-july-12-1978","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=113735","title":{"rendered":"Deborah Touchette on Adams and Mann. July 12, 1978"},"content":{"rendered":"

[Editor\u2019s Note<\/strong>: This document retains its original spellings.]<\/em><\/p>\n

BB-1-eee-1<\/p>\n

Paula’s Conversations w\/ Bonnie Mann<\/p>\n

Deborah Touchette
\nJuly 12, 1978<\/p>\n

\u2013 ref. to Debbie Blakey, he calls her Debbie Layton, you brought the subject up.<\/p>\n

\u2013 You need an outlet for people, intergrate in the socity<\/p>\n

\u2013 BM [Bonnie Mann] told PA [Paula Adams] about the soundwaves comming to [Handwritten end of sentence] our house. He sd [illegible]<\/p>\n

\u2013 he said he should rotate people comming into town, they should absorb the culture and get to know Guynese<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA told him that Debbie was in town for three months before she dicided to leave and could have left any time<\/p>\n

\u2013 He didn’t know Debbie was in G\/Town when she left<\/p>\n

\u2013 he said that shot this theory to hell, he thought she was in Jonestown when she left<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA told of Debbie’s background and drugs and being sent to London as incorrigible. She said Debbie had been steeling for some time, a little at a time, until she got a good amount and then left, what a better excuse than to use the conspiracy as a smokescreen.<\/p>\n

\u2013 He asked what makes people suddenly change?<\/p>\n

\u2013 he said by looking at the full size photo of Debbie B. she probably wants to fuck around and felt guilty about it so got the hell out of it<\/p>\n

\u2013 he said you have to probe people, and find out where they are at and deal with their situation (Paula said she didn’t know if you got that from Sharon [Amos] or not, she has never heard him use the word probe, thats sharons word)<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA told him we have a lot of open discussions with people and stay up for hours listining to the decenting opinion<\/p>\n

\u2013 he compared our situation to the Guy. Govt., everyone so afraid to have a decenting opinion and it is consirdered treason to disagree<\/p>\n

\u2013 He noted at the Heads of Mission Conference for and eg. to disagree is tantamount to treason, you, you hace to encourage a decenting opinion and not make them feel like they are trators if they do.<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA said with PT thats not true, people are allowed to have other opinions<\/p>\n

\u2013 He used Guy and PT in comparisson a lot<\/p>\n

\u2013 His final analysis of Deb is that she just wanted to fuck around and just needed an excuse to do it.<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA said she would do a report in the middle of the night and someone can come the next morning and pick it up.<\/p>\n

\u2013 He hasn’t made any blanket statments about PT yet<\/p>\n

\u2013 Hes been researching the referendum, but hes very guarded about it, discussing it.<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA said she was glad that the Govt. won the ref. in enlightened self interest for our own sake (her ref. to Peoples Temple)<\/p>\n

\u2013 He kept asking what I did on referemdum day?<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA kept telling him it was low-key<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA invited him to Jonestown<\/p>\n

\u2013 He said you know the African Tribes have a custom, the people take you to your hut and wait for you to come out the next morning and serve breakfast to you, you know to constammat the union.<\/p>\n

BB-1-eee-2<\/p>\n

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that’s how he felt things would be when he went to Jonestown he said hes embarrassed.<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA said she thinks hes afraid to give any credience to there unity, but he says hes embarrassed.<\/p>\n

\u2013 he asked her to go with him to Barbados<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA said she wouldn’t go because of her health, couldn’t take it right now.<\/p>\n

\u2013 He asked how Marceline was?<\/p>\n

\u2013 she told him much better<\/p>\n

\u2013 He asked about Joyce [Touchette] and Christine [Lucientes]<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA said you should come to Jonestown<\/p>\n

\u2013 She asked him if he had met anyone he didn’t like? J\/town<\/p>\n

\u2013 he said No.<\/p>\n

\u2013 she showed that as the type of people there are at Jonestown saying there was nothing strange about the people<\/p>\n

\u2013 he said he had met Charles Geary [Garry] and Jim Macravine [McElvane]<\/p>\n

\u2013 he said he thought Jim Mac. was fucking all the wemon in Peoples Temple along with Charles Geary<\/p>\n

\u2013 Rudy Collins met Karen Layton at his office when we went in to see him once, so he keeps asking about Rudy Collins girl<\/p>\n

\u2013 Rudy is one of the Triumph [triumvirate] that had Fred Wills removed \u2013 Ruby, Bonnie & [Rashleigh] Jackson”<\/p>\n

\u2013 He’s met with the PM twice<\/p>\n

\u2013 by the way Rachlee [Rashleigh] Jacksons back in town<\/p>\n

\u2013 He asked about Gene Chaikin,\u00a0 he thinks Gene is funny. Gene called him one time and made a statment about Jim Cobb. Gene said PT was not puritantical, but when a man is married to one woman and is going with anothe woman, and leaves with another, thats a little much, hes always thought that was funny and remembered him for it.<\/p>\n

\u2013 he was very impressed by the SF church<\/p>\n

[Starred line] \u2013 PA said he feel were all weeklings [feels we\u2019re all weaklings] (members in general) and couldn’t make it without JJ dictating<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA said some come because they needed something and some because they wanted to contribute.<\/p>\n

[Starred line] \u2013 he mentioned the new PS to Foreign Affairs, a man by the name of Harry Diet, owned a mercedies-Benz, had it several years<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA said that was flamboyant for a developing country<\/p>\n

\u2013 He didn’t disagree<\/p>\n

\u2013 Paula said she didn’t think he had changed any, but she thought he was mellowing out.<\/p>\n

[Starred line] \u2013 Desmond Hoyte made a statement that we needed socialized medicine something to the effect of “I am tired of Doctors and Lawyers bleeding poor people” the implication was they were going to socialize the med and legal professions.<\/p>\n

\u2013 the medical people are scared and the lawyers insensed.<\/p>\n

\u2013 He said thousands are leaving Guyana.<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA said yes I know Dick McCoy tells us from time to time I think he does it to smoothe his wounded feathers about so many of us leaving the US<\/p>\n

\u2013 she said he just laughed<\/p>\n

\u2013 PA would like guidelines on what to say, what subjects would you like her to approach, wants to know if it’s o.k. to ask about Tim Stoen, she said she could broach any subject, but has been staying away from all wothout guidelines<\/p>\n

can Bunnie see the results of Deb T. and Marie\u2019s test [Handwritten answer: “yes”]<\/p>\n

BB-1-eee-3<\/p>\n

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[Starred line] \u2013 Dr. Skinner and his wife Peggy left the country, went to Trinidad<\/p>\n

\u2013 Bonnie was very upset by this, it’s bothering him a lot, he mentioned it several times (evidently they left after Hoyte\u2019s statments)<\/p>\n

[2 words struck through] Paula writes<\/p>\n

BB-1-eee-4<\/p>\n

[handwritten addendum]<\/p>\n

Paula writes<\/p>\n

    \n
  1. He came to bring the overseas vote from the US<\/li>\n
  2. He is not sure how long he is staying. Depends on what the Prime Minister says.<\/li>\n
  3. He has played poker two nights in a row, [illegible word] on the first night ? the second<\/li>\n
  4. He asked if we had talked to or had any contact with the PPP. He wanted to know who we hadn\u2019t been attacked by anyone besides [Guyana political activist] Brindley Benn. [several illegible words] Angela Davis, socialism in the US friendly to [Cheddi] Jagan, and our friendship with the Soveits in the US<\/li>\n
  5. I told him about the Tass article. He said, “oh yes” with a mild degree of interest. When I said it praises Guyana, he said “Oh, yes,\u201d with a[illegible word] amount of interest. (It was, or sounds like, in a positive sense.<\/li>\n
  6. [Words crossed out]<\/li>\n
  7. He was concerned that we not take too much of a high key participation in the referendum. He said for 2 reasons: the opposition will attack us and will attack the govt. because of us.<\/li>\n
  8. [Blank entry]<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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