{"id":114195,"date":"2022-05-14T15:17:25","date_gmt":"2022-05-14T22:17:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=114195"},"modified":"2025-08-18T15:10:15","modified_gmt":"2025-08-18T22:10:15","slug":"q982-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=114195","title":{"rendered":"Q982 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>,\u00a0Pt. 2<\/a>).
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(This tape was transcribed by Nightrissa Crosby. The<\/em> editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Slow deliberate tone, likely reading from a comment card submitted to him) They worked the hardest in my<\/em>experience and were the most conscientious in their care and treatment of all patients alike. It’s very difficult to wake some people up every hour and get them to drink water and have their temperatures taken. But Cheryl and Dianne got the job done very effectively and without losing their composure. It showed to me such a high degree of socialist character and commitment. They are excellent examples\u2013 excellent examples for others to follow. Cheryl also worked through the night, getting little, if any, rest. Thank you for making the people who are ill feel secure in the care they were given.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Delayed applause.<\/p>\n

Tape edit<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>\u2013for us to realize that conscientiousness. (Pause) But it will require world famine to wipe out the United States before our people are spared, or nuclear holocaust. Will you be so demanding that the United States has to disappear before you\u2019ll be happy here? Will you be so insistent in your attitudes tha there\u2019s something you\u2019re missing in what you think. Your missing goes away even perhaps before our people are free. And they will have to go down with it? Is that what your attitudes are doing? (Pause) I don\u2019t even know why I\u2019m saying this, because I didn\u2019t have any intention of saying it. (Pause) I hope there\u2019s nothing prophetic in that. You better really look at this matter of gratitude. You better look at being an alien on a foreign planet, and that\u2019s what we are: aliens, unwanted aliens. We are considered lower than anything that even [Adolf] Hitler looked upon, and he murdered the Jews. You only kid yourself in believing that you\u2019re separate from the total problem that we have to confront. We\u2019ve found the one and only place that we can fight for survival, and do it, and make it.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Say, well, I like better odds. Life doesn\u2019t give<\/em> you all the odds that you want. You\u2019ve got the best<\/em> possibility of surviving of any<\/em> place. No mechanized army standing around you. City that couldn\u2019t resist a minute<\/em> if there was an attempt to do something to us. They have more power and more support and more of an arsenal than perhaps some people are aware. But this community spirit that we can bargain<\/em> with, more security than you ever had at any time in your life, doesn\u2019t mean anything until it\u2019s you. Tonight in Vincent Lopez, they\u2019re so low down they don\u2019t want him back, so they say he\u2019s in violation of his uh, juvenile status. Oh, we\u2019ll win it. We\u2019ll win it. That won\u2019t mean a thing<\/em> to you. That\u2019s how low down Grace and Walter Jones are. They don\u2019t want him, so they want to get him in trouble<\/em>, saying that he violated his guardianship. And they abandoned him<\/em>, but they\u2019re trying to make it appear that he has uh, run off on their guardianship and thus trying to make him again a ward of the court, make the court come in and do something about uh, his situation. Those are low-down miserable people. Say, well, they\u2019re different. No, no, (short laugh) no, no, no, no. They\u2019re just like every American. We just had a case to get to know them better.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They\u2019re like every person that doesn\u2019t share a socialist commitment. We just happen to see, them because they want to cut us down. When tensions rise and situations get worse, you\u2019ll see 200 million like them who like to prey on people for no other reason than that they\u2019re unhappy, and they\u2019re afraid we found some meaning to our lives. Happiness as some of you have never really known, but they know they<\/em> would be happy if they were in this same situation, because their lives are miserable. So they curse us by day and by night, and try to trouble us every minute, to keep us from enjoying any semblance of happiness, while others bellyache and practice elitism. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Elitism is a terrible situation. Usually those who recognize elitism are other elitists, but whoever recognizes it, for that we are grateful. We who are not absorbed in the process of life, but are interested in the struggle of liberation, will not notice whether somebody else is getting a little bit more than another, \u2018cause we are preoccupied with only one thing, and that\u2019s a desire to live more fully and perhaps more gallantly,<\/em> maybe at times, but at least express our desire to defeat the enemy, if by n\u2013 if by\u2013 if by chance laying down our life, because we know that that\u2019s one place that no hoax<\/em> could be played on us. We can then weigh our results. But elitists notice others who are elitist, and elitism does appear. Some never lift their hand to physical work, some never volunteer themselves, and only then if I happen to be able to get out. And once a week, I\u2019ll be able to get out to water some plants, and you can get out there and uh, say you\u2019ve done something too. I don\u2019t know why you don\u2019t take over the radio, so I can set a good example. I don\u2019t know why you don\u2019t deal with the Vincent cases or the case of the uh, ugly Medlocks [Wade and Mabel], and then the\u2013 all the little groups (stumbles over words) getting around them, the ones that whip them up, the Olivers [Howard and Beverly] and all the rest of them that are in the mess. I\u2019d like for you just to take<\/em> that radio from me for an hour. Then perhaps I would set an example. But I wonder if I really worked in the field every day, if there would be some of you that still did not avoid it. (Pause) I hear many things, I read many things. (Clears throat) I can\u2019t deal<\/em> with them all at one time. Sooner or later I will<\/em> get to them. It\u2019s not possible to dis\u2013 to enter into an internal<\/em> disruption every minute when you face external<\/em> enemies. It\u2019s a tragedy<\/em> that anybody would take advantage when we\u2019re in that cycle. It\u2019s a tragedy that when somebody sees somebody come in with something that they\u2019re not supposed to have, they\u2019ll take it and use it themselves.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s criminal<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Calls.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s abominable<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That somebody can take something from somebody else and use<\/em> it for themselves. That\u2019s why I went on that pledge of no-eating once. And I\u2019ll probably do that again because I\u2019m building up to that, \u2018cause people do tragically<\/em>capitalistic things around here. But still it\u2019s the purest<\/em> society I\u2019ve ever seen. (Pause) It\u2019s the only alternative for children, the only hope for seniors to have a little peace in their lasting days. Where else could Lela Murphy be sent to a specialist and have it paid for, when no insurance in the world would provide it. (Pause) (Firm loud voice) Son, you better wake up, or I\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ll<\/em> take it to you.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Stand up. Don\u2019t shout, I\u2019ll stop in my meeting. Put your hands in your sleeve, just like everybody else.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I know<\/em> there are those who take privilege and those who point out<\/em> that they take privilege have taken privilege. I never had anybody yet point out to me any error of correction\u2013 any area of correction that have not themselves<\/em> taken that prerogative themselves. (Pause) I hope someday it\u2019ll be so, that a common good dedicated, (voice rises) but a common good dedicated worker does not care how many people are revisionist,<\/em> as long as the leader\u2019s right. They don\u2019t mind how many revisionists there may be around, as long as the leader\u2019s doing the best he can with the situation. Those deviationists can be taken care of at one moment in time, and the true dedicated worker knows that. (Pause) But I would like for you to search yourselves to what goes on around here. I\u2019m bringing in thirty pigs this week, so there\u2019ll be meat that we cannot afford. Even though I run a protein loss all the time, I cannot and will<\/em> not involve myself with even taking what I need protein wise. I will<\/em> not, when I see what goes on with just a few. You make exceptions for yourself, and kitchen personnel at certain hours make exceptions, not the supervisors. And people are told<\/em> to make exceptions for (voice rises) others by order, but never admits from me.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It\u2019s never cleared by me. There are people here who run their schedules to suit<\/em> themselves, because they think they have some distance<\/em> of closeness to me or someone else that\u2019s in leadership.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And you dreadfully are the seeds<\/em> of the destruction of a movement.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(pause) What to do with you? A classical communist would not even deal with the subject. He\u2019d wait till some moment he had a time and shoot<\/em> you. A classical communist would not discuss<\/em> it, he would eliminate<\/em> it. But I\u2019m not a classical communist, I\u2019m an idealist as well as a communist. And I recognize that in myself. Somewhere I think you oughtta be able to reason justice<\/em> in people\u2019s minds. You oughtta also be able to see that all the people are not fools<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That people know<\/em> your game any time you play<\/em> a game. People know<\/em> when you take things and take privileges. And make exceptions at work. And slide by. They know it, no matter who you are. You\u2019re not\u2013 you\u2019re not wise<\/em> enough to fool all the people. And you can\u2019t even be good enough to convince all the people. So you sure<\/em> can\u2019t convince them when you\u2019re not doing right. Because I cannot convince till I<\/em> die in some heroic way. No, not until I die, will somebody ever appreciate what I was. A lot of people will never\u2013 never have any meaning. Then out of necessity<\/em>, many of you will then be concerned, not out of any character, but your world will go to hell. And you won\u2019t know what has struck<\/em> you, and the cyclonic effect of it will cause you then to be affected<\/em> by my coming and my going. Not out of any great love. So I don\u2019t realize how you think that you can get by trying to fool<\/em> the people. No matter who you are, whether you\u2019re a leader or whatever your capacity, whether you be in security or whether you be at some important post in the Steering Committee or coordination, it makes no difference who you are. Why<\/em> do you think you can get by fooling people? You\u2019re not\u2013 you\u2019re not that bright<\/em>. You\u2019re not intelligent<\/em> enough to fool all the people. Because even when you were good<\/em> as you can be, you can\u2019t convince people. You don\u2019t do<\/em> your stunts \u2013 surely do you \u2013 to try to impress people? I thought we made our stands and made our demonstrations and took this stint of life because it was right. I\u2019m a communist tonight, whether any of you like it. I\u2019m a communist tonight, whether any of you know<\/em> it. I\u2019m a communist if you please, I\u2019m a communist if you don\u2019t please.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Sustained applause.<\/p>\n

Tape edit<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Anybody have any questions (tape edit) what might I be talking about or would I be talking about you, or would you be smart enough to deceive me? No, you\u2019re not smart enough to deceive me. You\u2019re not clever<\/em> enough. You can beat me in looks. You may be able to do lots of things \u00ba dance better, talk better and sing better \u2013 but you\u2019re not yet so<\/em> clever that you can outsmart me.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Tape edit<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Neither are you good<\/em> enough to take my place.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>So by necessity, I am here.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And if anybody wants to deal with anybody\u2019s counter revolutionary activity, and if you\u2019re holding the bag for somebody else\u2019s<\/em> counter revolutionary activity, then I would\u2013 I\u2019d faze it up. Because there are questions<\/em> of grave nature that have arisen. If I don\u2019t deal with it tonight, it\u2019s soon to be. The floor is open to any<\/em> criticism, no matter who<\/em> it touches. (long pause) Does anybody have anything to say? (long pause) Everybody\u2019s happy with everybody? That\u2019s strange. That somewhat belies all of these mass of notes I have, that I have to read. Everybody\u2019s happy with everything that\u2019s going on? Well, then, what bothers<\/em> you? (pause) (tape edit) Walking around every day, because I don\u2019t have that privilege<\/em> to go down. I\u2019d love<\/em> to\u2019ve been taken care of. I guess not, really not, \u2018cause it would\u2019ve taken away from somebody else. And I never like to take away from anyone else. So I wouldn\u2019t have enjoyed it. But like the observer [Mike] Prokes, I would\u2019ve like to have observed the tender loving care of some of our nurses, that\u2019s one day will be important to you, because you will be sick one day. Sure as hell some of you are bent<\/em> on being sick. (voice rises) So if you are doing something that is counterrevolutionary, if you\u2019re covering for your child or your wife or your husband, and you\u2019re doing it because you think they cannot be dealt with, then it\u2019s your duty then to get yourself out in the open. \u2018Cause there\u2019s shit<\/em> going on in here.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd: <\/strong>All right now.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s seeming. And I<\/em> can take anything. I don\u2019t give a shit. You can take my food and eat it. I\u2019d rather starve<\/em>than to be bothered with it. \u2018Cause I know I\u2019ll make final use of my life in a most proper way, and it will be consistent with the revolution. But if you see<\/em> anything you don\u2019t like, now is the time to talk. And I can tell you already, some people have talked. And even if they won\u2019t have the courage to talk now, they\u2019re watching you, and if you\u2019re not doing things for ulterior reasons,<\/em> you better explain yourself, \u2018cause folk do watch what you\u2019re doing. Yes. Restroom. (pause) (tape edit) \u2013you live anymore under the hell of it. That\u2019s one of the notes that was given me while I was talking about a life-or-death physical case in the front of the nursing\u2013 uh, nursing office. I\u2019m sure the sister wish she hadn\u2019t gone away. Now that\u2013 that you pass me a note from the kitchen.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019ve asked for everybody that has any problems. If you don\u2019t like anything<\/em> tonight, I\u2019ve ask you to lay it out. If you question anybody high or low. If it\u2019s one of my children, no matter who, I say, lay it out tonight. I\u2019m sick of padding. (pause) In fact, I\u2019m more resentful when a sanctified thief comes my way. (pause) Well, we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll keep looking. So, I want you to know, dear heart, you better stop this thievery. We have to intensify and make it a internal security matter, and we\u2019re almost become like a security city, then we\u2019ll do<\/em> that, to find out who would be so brazen as to steal when we have enough. We have enough.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right, that\u2019s right, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>But they\u2019ve stole off of me in that radio room, so I know what they\u2019ll do. Some of them\u2019ll do<\/em> it. (pause) Stole my pants<\/em>. (sighs) People\u2019ll just\u2013 will steal<\/em>. They\u2019re almost conditioned to steal, and they\u2019ll steal out of nothing else to do. Out of boredom, I guess, because they haven\u2019t got involved<\/em> with the revolution. If they took on the problems of Vincent Lopez today, and Yvette Muldrow an hour before that, he\u2019d be involved in the revolution<\/em>. You\u2019d lose your life in something that was worthwhile. (chuckles) But some people, they\u2013 they pass through. Yes, I look one woman who\u2019s got blood pressure, high<\/em> blood pressure, terribly high blood pressure. I wonder what in the hell is the reason she\u2019s got such a high blood pressure. Said she got sick today of the crisis, just sitting in here listening. You haven\u2019t faced death, honey, when you do and your name\u2019s not Jones. But it begins with the same letter and ends. No, it doesn\u2019t. It\u2019s Johnson. When you get your attitude right, and don\u2019t fear<\/em> death, your blood pressure\u2019ll go down. You all in a stew about nothing. Some of you getting blood pressures too, \u2018cause you get worried. You worry each other. Companions worry each other, companions kill<\/em> each other.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Relax, child, ain\u2019t nothing worth getting that upset about. Shit, it\u2019s too nice a weather go out and sleep under one of the dorms. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Responds)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Some of you never have a sick day, if you got away from who you were married too.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs, some laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(long pause) Oh, you look happy, but you haven\u2019t talked to your companion<\/em>. I see one over there sitting like a Cheshire cat, but you haven\u2019t heard your companion. I have. I got all these pages<\/em>, and you\u2019re on it. And she says you\u2019re a prick<\/em>. (Pause) And I don\u2019t mind you being a prick. If you can do it in the corner and don\u2019t bother her and cause her some health problems. Oh, just let it wander. Say, there\u2019s only one prick? No, no, I haven\u2019t had anybody here that one of their partners practically hasn\u2019t complained about the other. Either to try to impress me of their goodness<\/em> or to manipulate something. (Pause) Hm-mm [Yes]. Just want you to know the old man\u2019s mind is not dim, and his memory is not short. His hand of mercy will reach far, but he\u2019s used<\/em> to your bullshit. You can\u2019t play your games fast enough. You\u2019ve been at them so long, you\u2013 you trick<\/em> your wife and you trick<\/em> your husband, but honey, you can\u2019t trick me<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Calls out)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You fuck your<\/em> wife over and you fuck your<\/em> husband over, but don\u2019t fuck that game with me, because I can see through it when it even gets six foot away from me. When you approach<\/em>, I know your game.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs.<\/p>\n

Tape edit<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Then go why in the hell didn\u2019t they ask long ago? (voice low) Found a letter, Tim\u2019s [Stoen] talking about Grace\u2019s unfitness and I told him for weeks that it was there. (Pause) He just writing in his notebook one day, talking about how mean a woman she was. So now he\u2019s\u2013 out of fear a little\u2013 a couple of years in jail, he\u2019s willing to kill everybody. You know he\u2019s gone get more than two years. And he\u2019s gone get worse than two years at hard labor. Hm-hmm, hm-hm-hm-hm-hm [Uh-oh]. You don\u2019t pull all of this shit. After a while, justice does come down.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Comes thundering down upon you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Responds.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>These people trying to get all the folks stirred up and get old people upset. Telling people are dead, when they\u2019re not dead. You don\u2019t know the half, what goes through that radio, the shit they tell. You don\u2019t know. And then try to get some little child picked up or get him in trouble with juvenile authorities. Huh-uh [No], you don\u2019t know. He shoulda taken<\/em> that two years in jail. Then he could come out to peace<\/em>. \u2018Cause he ain\u2019t never<\/em> going to have no peace. Five times today that we met him on different corners. And by the time they met him the last\u2013 when the last one, they met him was Terri Buford, he was shaking like he had malaria fever on Market Avenue.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And he\u2019ll continue to shake, \u2018cause every time he looks up, Tim Stoen\u2019s gonna find one of my people looking at his son-of-a-bitching eyeballs.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause and calls.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Calls) There ain\u2019t no crime in looking. No crime for looking. And then he better hope that my mission project takes me (Stretches out word) long while. He just better hope<\/em> that I got a (Stretches out word) long time, till the last heroic member of the faith is here. He better hope<\/em>. Never in his life should he hope more. He just should hope and meditate and pray to Jesus or whoever he\u2019s looking to now, \u2018cause Jesus won\u2019t help him. But it might give him\u2013 it might give him a little peace<\/em> of mind to think he was kidding himself and<\/em> Jesus, \u2018cause that sucker has done crossed the line.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Yes, what\u2019s\u2013 you\u2019re up. What\u2019s your problem, dear?<\/p>\n

Naoma Johnson<\/strong>: Yes, Dad, I wrote you this\u2013 I wrote you this note today. I want to know why uh, Linda [Arterberry] will pass by me, she will not speak. I have uh, suffered this guilt for about 11 years, and I want to know what\u2019s her reason for it. She has called me all kind of bitches. She tells anybody, I\u2019m not her mom. I want to know what\u2019s her reason for this?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Other complaints about you too. I praised you, and sometimes we take that as a blanket approval, I guess. Looks like I can\u2019t open my mouth. I praise you, and then you misuse<\/em> that praise. There\u2019s other complaints about you too. Ain\u2019t nobody too high or too low today to come down, honey. This is what you call clean-up night. So everybody that walks up here. Don\u2019t make a difference who they take in on\u2013 I ain\u2019t gonna\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013 Shit. I\u2019ve been three times ready to die in the last few weeks. I don\u2019t give a fuck. I don\u2019t give a continental fuck. If you can\u2019t live just, then die just. That\u2019s my opinion. If you can\u2019t live justly, let\u2019s die<\/em> justly.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>We damn near did that last week.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And we seem to do that better \u2013 some of us, some of the most difficult eggheads, and even some of the leaders \u2013 they die well. But they don\u2019t live well. So I\u2019d rather see us all die justly. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(softly) She asked you a question, child.<\/p>\n

Linda: <\/strong>I\u2019ve been holding this grudge against her, and I know I should go on ahead and forget about it, but I just can\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>What\u2019s your grudge against [Martha] Ellen Klingman? But I don\u2019t see her here, I was reading about it, though. (Pause) I\u2019ll pull you out tonight now. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Linda: <\/strong>I wrote before and uh, in one of my reports that uh, she has some good baking ideas, and I wish she would share \u2018em with me, but it seems like she just keeps them to herself and just goes off and do her thing so I go off into mine too.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s what?<\/p>\n

Linda: <\/strong>She has some good baking uh, ideas, and I just wish she would share \u2018em with me. She won\u2019t so\u2013 she just keep \u2018em to herself so I just go off into this thing.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Stumbles over words) You don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t do anything wrong at all.<\/p>\n

Linda: <\/strong>Yeah, I do.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What do you do wrong?<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> I hold\u2013 I hold a grudge against her.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And why do you feel you can hold a grudge?<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> Because she won\u2019t share her ideas<\/em> with me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, no, no, no, no. Let\u2019s go back. You\u2019re not one that\u2019s getting\u2013 that\u2019s working in my<\/em> office, so you must be\u2013 you\u2013 you feel like you\u2019re close to the coordinator\u2019s wife or the coordinator\u2019s son?<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Ohh, don\u2019t tell this old man. Everybody that act shitty, everybody that act shitty, always<\/em> does it because they think they got so much mileage with somebody. And if they don\u2019t think it\u2019s mileage with me, it\u2019ll be mileage with somebody close<\/em> to me. Ah, I don\u2019t care if it\u2019s broke up. She think that she\u2019s got some mileage<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Female: <\/strong>When\u2013 you\u2013 when I first came here, you said, I can get anything I want out of Joyce.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, she said she can get anything out of Joyce<\/em>. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Female:<\/strong> That\u2019s what she told me.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s typical, that\u2019s typical. People use<\/em> people. Hmm? It\u2019s getting quiet now. Because now we know\u2013 now we\u2019re getting down where the problems lie, \u2018cause you\u2019re out there using somebody too, some of you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Now we\u2019re getting out there. Or you think<\/em> you\u2019re using them, or you\u2019re trying<\/em> to use them. (Pause) That\u2019s not a very nice thing to say, (pause) was it?<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> (softly) No, it wasn\u2019t, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Is that what she meant to you, her friend\u2013 her friendship meant\u2013 what you could get out of her?<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Oh, yes it did. Tell us the truth, and I\u2019ll like you better. And that\u2019s why you\u2019ve been\u2013 shit\u2013 shit\u2013 shit\u2013 shit\u2013 and then showing your uh, edginess. You wouldna done that if you didn\u2019t think you had mileage to do it. How do others get by, they have to be nice and speak and be kind. How do you treat her, 11 years, you going to\u2013 what\u2013 what is this you can\u2019t\u2013 You don\u2019t speak to the woman? What has she done that you don\u2019t speak to her? She\u2019s a human being. The past now. Whatever in the hell she did then. She may have done terrible things, but she\u2019s in uh, the socialist community. She\u2019s in this family. I don\u2019t know. What is your uh, gripe with her?<\/p>\n

Linda: <\/strong>What she did to me when I was living with her.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, what did she do? I understand, you don\u2019t show much interest in yours. Now (unintelligible word) tonight don\u2019t get up here. Don\u2019t fuck with me tonight, don\u2019t get up here, or you\u2019re in trouble. You\u2019ll get nothing, but the truth. (voice rises) See, I know this all the time, but tonight you\u2019ll get nothing but the truth. Because I\u2019d rather die, than to die\u2013 live unjustly. I\u2019d rather die anyway<\/em>. If someone were to give me three months, that I could get eat shit and get a free pass to exit to oblivion, so I wouldn\u2019t have to feel and care anymore, when there\u2019s nobody\u2013 not enough<\/em>\u2013 uh, any\u2013 not enough<\/em> people to help me. And if they said you can eat that shit for three months every day, and I hate shit. I don\u2019t like the smell of shit. That\u2019s why I wanted to get the shit away from you. \u2018Cause back there while people were singing, I didn\u2019t think that was the thing to do, I knew the musician wouldna mind being interrupted, and I thought the thing to do is to get that shit moved, because you would not stand by\u2013 by there smelling it. Maybe some of you weren\u2019t, but others were. It was too much. But if I could eat shit for three months and be guaranteed that nobody be hurt when I was gone. They\u2019d say you get to go to oblivion in obscurity. You get to die in three months, I\u2019d eat three months of shit. And I\u2019d eat it just as mu\u2013 lavishly as you eat ice cream, \u2018cause I am tired of having to be the only<\/em> person that feels all the way. All the way.<\/em> Everybody else got their distance, they draw it. I have to feel it all the way. I gotta carry the burden all the way. And I\u2019m ti\u2013 I mean everybody. I\u2019m not going to put any free from it. Everybody lay somebody\u2019s problem down. I can\u2019t lay anybody\u2019s<\/em> problem down. If I lay one person\u2019s problem down, somebody\u2019s done. And I\u2013 I\u2019d take\u2013 I\u2019d take uh, anything to have\u2013 I\u2019m tired of it. When you love people as they\u2013 they\u2013 if you love, then you\u2013 you feel like I do. And if you love, you won\u2019t do a thing but try and keep yourself well, so you can continue not to disappoint people. People say I don\u2019t think that you ought to familiarize them how\u2013 how much you love death. Well then, fuck \u2018em. They\u2019ll never grow up. Because [if] you love people like you ought to, you naturally<\/em> would prefer anything. You\u2019re using people. That\u2019s why you\u2013 you don\u2019t feel it. Say, I don\u2019t feel that way. Well, you don\u2019t love. When you love and want to care and help and uh, meet people\u2019s need \u2013 restroom, darling \u2013 when you want to meet people\u2019s needs, you\u2019re going to be mighty<\/em> upset, because you can\u2019t protect them as much as you want to, and you\u2019d prefer anything<\/em> than that love that you feel being un\u2013 not\u2013 not able to fulfill it. You like to love<\/em> them, but when you love fully<\/em>, you know it\u2019s impossible<\/em>. You can\u2019t meet the needs. You become certain<\/em> of one thing, you can never say I love you, because when I say I love you, I mean I protect you. I can say I can protect you up to a certain degree, but there\u2019s always some<\/em> little point which you won\u2019t even let me protect you. \u2018Cause you won\u2019t organize yourself as a group, you won\u2019t do to\u2013 you won\u2019t fa\u2013practice teamwork. This is filled with people who goof off on the crew, talk on the crew, lie to the nurse, say they\u2019re sick and don\u2019t go to the medical office say they got diarrhea and stand four hours (wags tongue) and don\u2019t shit. You haven\u2019t got diarrhea, \u2018cuz I know. I got it so bad, it’s gone down my legs in that radio room today. (Pause) (Stumbles over words) When you get the diarrhea, you don\u2019t go four hours without shitting.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crows:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And if that applies to you, you oughtta be on this floor tonight before midnight. (Pause) Say, if everybody\u2019d do their part, I could really\u2013 When I say I love you over there, I mean it more than anybody ever meant it in the world. But I cannot do it perfectly, because of human<\/em> conditions. As it is, though, when you get sick, where else can you get somebody to wake you up every hour and see that your fever don\u2019t rise? How many of you would\u2019ve been dead or how many of you would\u2019ve been injured for life? Or how many of you would\u2019ve been in jail tonight? How many? No, I\u2019m not asking for hands shown. You can\u2019t convince some folk anyway. They don\u2019t want to be convinced, because they don\u2019t want to pay the price. They don\u2019t want to love like I do, so they never want to believe. So you\u2019ll never make them believe, no matter how much you say to them. (Pause) They\u2019re skeptics out of convenience. Hmm? If you don\u2019t get it all, I\u2019d make notes, so you can go home and think about it. Okay. (Pause) Go ahead. I don\u2019t know where I was. You\u2019re only one of the many problems here tonight.<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know what else I\u2019d done.<\/p>\n

(Long Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Have you been such a perfect mother, my love, that you could be impossible and not speak to her.<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Then why are you doing it? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> I don\u2019t really have a reason for doing it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> I don\u2019t really have a reason to.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Why did you do it? Why is it, that you\u2019re not going down the pathway and speaking to people and being kind to people like some people. That, I say, and I won\u2019t even argue with you, because you think you have a position with me, because I praised you or with Joyce because you just said you can get anything out of Joyce. You think you had some margin<\/em> to do this. I wouldn\u2019t think anybody would dream of going\u2013 going through this community thinking they couldn\u2019t speak to somebody.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If they do it every day, sister, point it out. I don\u2019t want to hear anything talked about unless it\u2019s pointed out.Point it out. (Pause) Um-mm [Yes]. Continue.<\/p>\n

Naoma:<\/strong> Why did you do it\u2013 Why did you do it, Linda? I want to know, because I suffered this over 11 years. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> Okay, I\u2019m still holding a grudge against her. Uh, I did it too. Uh, but she\u2013 she beat me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What?<\/p>\n

Linda:<\/strong> When she tied me to the bed and beat me, and you know what, I did the same thing in [with] my child too.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You tied your child and beat\u2013 That\u2019s often the truth, dear. A battered child is the victim of a battered child, and she was probably the victim of a bat\u2013 being the battered child. (Pause) That\u2019s a psychological fact. We live up to the conditioning of the parent that’s set before us. I don’t know why we do this. I don’t know why we\u2019re not creatures of thought more than we are, of what we see, but we are very much that way. This person after a while would say, I don’t like my mother, I don’t like my mother, but they\u2019ll copy their mother. I don’t like my dad, I don’t like my dad, but they\u2019ll copy their dad. Rather than copy a socialist example, they\u2019ll copy their dad. \u2018Cause they\u2019ll think that they\u2019re no better, they can’t do any better. But I can tell you one thing, you don’t have<\/em> to be like your dad, you don’t have<\/em> to be like your mom. She doesn\u2019t\u2013 and I\u2019m not talking about her case, \u2018cause she\u2019s been a good worker, there\u2019ve been no complaints about her work, why would you judge her by her past? Did you ever ask her if she’d been beaten on?<\/p>\n

Linda<\/strong>: (mic cuts in) \u2013Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Who beat on all of us? Who is it who\u2019s beating on us? The system. Why judge her? Are you as mad at capitalism? Do you have any capitalistic patterns? Do you take anything that don’t belong to you at times, do you take more food or rights than you should have. You should hate the system that created our violence, that creates our desire to strike back. (Pause) That’s what you should\u2013 that’s what you should do. (Pause) Don’t you think? Don’t you think that\u2019s where you should be? Hmm?<\/p>\n

Linda<\/strong>: Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Are you a perfect socialist?<\/p>\n

Linda<\/strong>: No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: This has been a long to hold a grudge to this woman, I think. (Pause) I called somebody a while ago, \u2018cause my mother [Lynetta Jones<\/strong>] asked me to do it. She\u2019d been a socialist to save you, and I would\u2019ve rather called anybody in the world but her. I called and offered her a place, \u2018cause Mother wanted it done. She\u2019d even done harm<\/em>to me at one time, great<\/em> harm to me, but I felt that was one thing she could\u2013 she could ask. She asked very little of me. She gave a lot and asked very little, she have you all, she gave you everything she had. So it made no difference to me if that person had done me some harm \u2013 tried to harm me physically<\/em> \u2013 I called, and they can testify to you, I talked very sweetly, very lovingly to that person, \u2018cause that was m\u2013 that was mom\u2013 one of mom\u2019s dying wishes. I didn\u2019t agree with her dying wish, but she gave so much to this place. She gave all of her money, she stood up against the FBI for all those hours, lost her job, discredited, in the McCarthy Era. She\u2019da caused all of those people who were with me then pain, all of my children woulda been in real trouble, if she hadn\u2019t\u2019ve stood up, \u2018cause just for being with Paul Robeson<\/strong>, being in that communist that\u2013 not<\/em> a communist meeting, a progressive rally. It would\u2019ve been the end. It would\u2019ve been perfect grounds for me to\u2019ve been prosecuted, and she would not<\/em> tell them. \u2018Cause she was the only one that could<\/em> tell them. (Long pause) You<\/em> know the story. You ought<\/em> to know it. I\u2013 I got away from the situation and jumped off of the paddy wagon, there was no way (unintelligible) anybody could know me. No way, except for a phone call, one lone phone call, but the phone call couldn’t be used as state\u2019s evidence in those days. She had to give a testimony. She had to testify that I was at that meeting. I<\/em> was the person. And she wouldn’t do it. They thought a little ol\u2019 working class woman, they could bend her over to suit their size, but she wouldn’t do it. So I\u2013 I\u2013 it was very difficult for me to talk to this woman and be sweet to her and be warm to her, to hear her talk about the Lord and all that nonsense, but I did<\/em>, because that\u2019s what I felt duty required, and I would think that duty would\u2013 would call you to uh, be kind, and forget. Judge her by her present<\/em>, not by her past. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> (very low) \u2013go and tell things about me and that hurt her. She didn’t like it and she told me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shift, shift.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> I told him.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, because people have the right to think upon themselves what they think is right, to do what they want to do. Spend our night discussing bananas. And not the\u2013 not the half and they they’re bi\u2013 and not the half or up here for the stolen things. Not even the half. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Uh, Dad, someone taking two of my sheets so uh, she told me (laughs) to mind\u2013 (voice rises) Someone taking two of my sheets, so a sheet come to the dorm, and didn’t have no name on it, and I needed a sheet to put between my blanket, so I just took the sheet. I still have it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well uh\u2013 sheets are but\u2013 were blessings. Pulls the trigger. (Pause) And every time somebody steps up that\u2019s black, there\u2019s that kind of agony behind them. Some never\u2013 that\u2019s deal with that they never deal with it\u2013 (sudden shouts) Don’t deal with it now, you pricks. (Pause) (Calms) Don’t deal with it. Don’t want to deal with it, \u2018cause it’s too much<\/em>. (long pause) Some young blacks stand over there and calls her a racist. If she is, she’s justified (unintelligible word). You’ve never had that done to you, \u2018cause you’re late to work. There\u2019s nobody on earth can know what that is, except it happens to them. Just shows that every time you lose your temper, you strike out at someone \u2013 it’s happened to me, it’s happened to you invariably many times \u2013 you’ll strike at the very wor\u2013 worst situation and the wrong place, the wrong time. Who’s always looking around here trying to be defiant? If anyone deserves a patient answer, she deserves it. She works\u2013 I never see her stop. Though she shouldna said I would rather be back in the States, she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about. But the fact is, that she works all<\/em> the time. I never see her idle. Always going, going, going. So her pain\u2013 any\u2013 any part would want to go back there. (long pause) Can you make a nigger out of a white man?<\/a> (Pause) I’m not speaking to you personally.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Dad, I didn’t say it was\u2013 (Jones interrupts)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> There’s a difference in tiredness and the patterns of lack of concern is being shown here, because they’re encroached upon their little (through gritted teeth) fucking goddamn schedules encroached upon. They may have to stay up a little bit. They don’t feel this, though. So they don’t feel this.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Dad, (unintelligible) just like that young lady. She heard so much she was half sleep, she wrote this from\u2013 So she told me to read this, lose her, well that you (unintelligible) to talk to? I said yes it was she said you should write that, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> She wrote it up.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> I said I can’t write.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> She wrote it up, he wrote himself up, and she wrote\u2013 wrote him up too, and said he was despicable.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Yes. So I told him back there. I said you hurt me. I said you remind me of that (voice breaking) man in the States, uh, when I went in the cotton field that morning at seven o\u2019clock. I said he cussed me for a black son-of-a-bitch, he told me to no never come to the goddamn field this goddamn late no more. And I told him, well, I had my little children to take care of, and uh, I had to put clothes on and feed them. He said you black son-of-a-bitch, don’t you never come to this goddamn field this late no more. To him it’s just a flick right in my face and I looked down to (unintelligible word), and my husband just throw his hands up and he just\u2013 had legs like this cause he knew he shot me. If he woulda said anything, he woulda blowed his brains out, and mine too. See? And that hurt me and he (sobbing) and he cussed at me more like dirt. As hard as I work. I started work\u2013 I worked from seven o\u2019clock to nine o\u2019clock at night.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, she does\u2013 she does every day of the world. You may not know that, but those of us who go that way know it. (long pause) I’m sorry for all those of light skin have done to people like you. And what I\u2019m amazed is, Mother, is you continue to work trying to make a better world.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Uh, Saturday night trying to make\u2013 trying to beautify this place and make it heaven here on earth.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All the time. All the time.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Yes, I do.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I can’t dispute that. Yes. Who else needs to say something?<\/p>\n

Woman2:<\/strong> Dad, uh, (unintelligible name) have it bad. He came out down the garden when I was watering one day and he\u2013 uh, he\u2013 (cries out) you get out of here, get out of here. I said, listen, you get out of my face,and don’t try to drive me out of here. I said\u2013 (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible) That\u2019s right, Earl. (laughs) You just torment me tonight, Earl, I know that. (laughs) (long pause) (laughs) I think he’s got something good going. (laughs) He’s sweet. Okay, I\u2013 but I\u2013 I\u2013 I look at myself tonight, and I’ve gotten into some (unintelligible word) physically because no matter what<\/em> people are doing to me, no matter how<\/em> much they won’t appreciate what I’m trying to get them to live, not appreciate me, but I allow hostility to weigh on me and gnaw on me today. Terribly<\/em>. And I feel a lot better. I thought time was going to collapse tonight, because I was very close to collapsing. And I willed not to do that, but the best<\/em> thing you can do is to get your mind off yourself. (Pause) And that I would recommend to a lot of you. Then your elitism will stop. Then your special privileges will stop. When you get your mind off yourself<\/em>. What you think you have a right to do when you take from the people, steal from the people, do things that are gross<\/em> to the people, be nasty<\/em> and harsh<\/em> and hellish, not<\/em> just one day, as we have a brother here, but every<\/em> day. It’s because\u2013 it’s because you\u2019re thinking so much of yourself, or you don’t keep a regular schedule, won’t do anything that you’re supposed to do, won\u2019t bear your fair share, and know that it’s affecting others. Stephen can’t be surely the only one that weighs the effect of that. You do<\/em>affect others. You do. And you know<\/em> you do. Okay, I\u2013 I\u2019ve said all I had to say on the subject. I’m touched by what you said on, I’m touched by what you<\/em> said, I’m touched by what you<\/em> said, and uh, guilty, I’m so late. Yes?<\/p>\n

Woman3:<\/strong> I just want to bring up one point that came up to\u2013 with uh, some of the young guys today. I was talking to them about uh, someone that pushed someone over somebody’s back, you know the old trick of going up behind somebody and one guy and the other guy throwing him backwards. And the child almost got seriously injured, and (clears throat) I was speaking to these young guys about not doing that, and uh, that there’s too much physical contact which they call playing. Uh, to me, it is not playing because somebody generally gets hurt and it\u2019s generally very hostile. I told them that they should use these kinds of tactics for the enemy and that possibly they could be trained in some of these tactics in a controlled situation, not to use them on the playground. They said to me that\u2013 (Jones interrupts)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Who\u2019s they?<\/p>\n

Woman3:<\/strong> Uh, one of them was Larry, and there’s a couple of other guys I know who they are, I don’t know them by name. Uh, he said that uh, what about the older guys? They do it all the time. And I said, we\u2019ll have to do something about that then, and at least let them know about the situation, that you guys are seeing it and they are copying you. They mentioned Albert [Touchette] particularly. He said Albert does it all the time, and uh, those guys, they said. So whoever you hang out with then, you know, rassle with, whatever. Anyway, they said that they thought that nobody would confront\u2013 front you guys\u2013 confront you guys about it, you know that everybody was afraid to do it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hostility can show through in many, many ways. It really does. I had occasion today\u2013 it\u2019s today somebody was talking about something, I don’t even want to get into it, (unintelligible word) a reflection on me but they were talking about something, and I\u2013 I thought when I teased that person on the radio, and they were on the radio on\u2013 on\u2013 in Georgetown. And I thought why are you doing<\/em> that? And I looked. I think it was really diversion, but it was the most cruel thing to joke that way. But I’m telling you, all<\/em> of us need\u2013 I didn’t do it, I didn’t do it, but I almost did it. I almost said something, it would\u2019ve been dreadful, \u2018cause life’s too short. You never know when you’re going to see each other again. You didn’t know whether that person was going to see the other person they were talking to again. (pause) There wasn\u2019t even hostility because of a sick relationship or anything of that sort, although I think I sense that it was just a diversion. I want to get away from the enormity of seriousness. But it isn’t right<\/em> for me to get away from the enormity of seriousness<\/em> by making anyone else the brunt of a joke. And I’ll tell you, if you’re ever through your physical uh, playing around cause injury to one thing\u2013 You can be grateful that when I was very young, a little animal suffered because of the carelessness of a group that I was in. You better be (Stretches out word) very grateful that I developed that guilt in the midst of my poverty, in that little dog laying there, because of a ball. I can see it often flashing\u2013 it must be subconscious now deep\u2013 deep in my subconscious. Little flash there and then I see a little dog licking my hand. And I knew better than to play around this little puppy with balls. I didn’t hit him particularly, but I was in the group that did. And I had to see him lay and lay and lay. Nobody take care of him but me. But something about that little dog taught me as much, I suspect, in my subconscious as many humans. He always was grateful for everything I did. He’d lick my hand. Hot day, terrible summer that Indiana\u2019s had. It\u2019s an unusual dog. And I’m grateful that I developed guilt to what degree I did. Otherwise I\u2019da been a stinking mess of humanity on this planet. And all of you that engaged in your hostilities, you\u2019re allowing that stinking mess of humanity to come out. If we fill one day tomorrow \u2013 just one day \u2013 with the kind of gratitude that we oughta have, the kind of guilt that we should assume, wonder what kind of day it\u2019d be around here tomorrow. Hmph. Like to see such a day. Just try it tomorrow. I’m a cynic. Let\u2019s try it. Let’s see if we’ll think about the Lula Ruben\u2019s and Helen Snell\u2019s loved one hanging in the tree, and then his parents made the indignity. And I’ve heard that story in one form or another from one black after another. They had to march by him, didn\u2019t dare say a word, or the Klan would do the same thing to them. And sometimes it wasn’t even the Klan. It was out right open, public display of hate. (long pause) I wouldn\u2019t be too\u2013 too irritated about that gentleman tonight. You don’t have enough understanding for blackness. I’m the one that would be irritated tonight. You\u2013 I’m the one that had to speak. You’re not bothering me. (long pause) It be interesting to see if we can do it. And everyone that doesn’t assume guilt or is hostile tomorrow, we should report to them. If we report to them and report to the\u2013 the office. And I agree too, Earl. All<\/em> of us, every hostile act tomorrow, every hostile mischief hit, every hostile joke. What a difference it would make. (Pause) We’ve practiced long enough, when the Soviets come, they\u2013 we might uh, cause them to see a ge\u2013 a revolution that would can have more effect than just what we\u2019re doing up here. (voice rises) Promise not tomorrow to think about your<\/em>life. (pause) You do it, I do it. Everybody thinks they got more reason to do it than the\u2013 the next person. But none of us got any reason. If you can’t re\u2013 uh, re\u2013 reach out to Lula, it’s easier for me to do it, \u2018cause I see her work there like a trooper every goddamn day, moving. I mean she moves. If everybody in this organization moved like she did this place woulda been doubled trebled quadrupled in production. Then think of O\u2019Bliko\u2019s [Steve Biko] son or daughter, six years old. I don\u2019t think I’m pronouncing it right. I keep saying that, but God, the story is just as true as it can be. It was on the front pages of our US newspapers, just a few weeks ago. Where his daughter is made to take a wire and pull off his private parts, and then beat to death after that before his eyes, and he’s left to lay. At least she didn’t have the horror of the guilt. In a way I’m glad she never had to grow up.<\/p>\n

I hope we can feel guilty tomorrow. A course in guilt some have never, never, never\u2013 you’ve never taken the trip. You never take the trip. I watch you. I wish I had the li\u2013 I wish this was only the beginning of the night. You never take the trip. Guilt is a word that you won’t allow to come your way. You don’t want to deal with it. You can be hostile and move around with an air, a nasty<\/em> air. You show you’re not guilty about anything.<\/p>\n

Okay, I don’t have any more to say on that. I think she made her point. We’re not going to pick him out for punishment, we’re not going to pick these children out for punishment, because all of us has something to bear there. All of you adults as a coordinator that sets uh, any kind of example, you know that they’re going to follow this. When we become men, we must put away childish things. And I wonder how you do this. I’ve had to compete too many times over that table, as I did Sunday for lives. I\u2019ve had to compete on that radio and match wits against wits. I don’t want any game where there’s win or lose. And anybody here that still likes games where win or lose, you better take a look. Hmm? Hmm? Take a look. We’ve been playing too many real life games for win and lose. Cooperation, yeah, yeah, challenge to the mind, but if you get caught up in it, engrossed in it, watch it. Go spend your time reading and learning more about socialism, or discussing and getting it to heart of us. We ought to get off in the individual groups and we oughtta sit down and plough away at each other, so we can strip off all this goddamn sham. A lot of sham here that shoulda been gone in such a society by now. Say it again, or I will. Thank you. Hope we can see it. Okay. Nothing more to say. You wanna say something, dear?<\/p>\n

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