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Jones:<\/strong> Lot of food being wasted, they say. Uh, this\u2013 uh, this isn\u2019t done. Now you better read\u2013you better read the signs, and the neighbour is responsible for neighbour. We\u2019ll let you eat what you choose, but you better not send food down the way to waste.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Scattered shouts, affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They need to be told<\/em> about it \u2013 don\u2019t tell me<\/em> about it \u2013 you tell the person when you pick up food in front of them, say, Don\u2019t you read that sign? Right up there? Don\u2019t you eat\u2013 read that sign, darling? Can you read\u2013 if you can\u2019t read, I\u2019ll read it for you. Take as much as you like, and we request that you please<\/em> eat all you take.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Too many hungry people.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Scattered shouts, affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now I don\u2019t know how you do at home, but I know that you\u2019ll end up starving to death if\u2013 Did you hear what the\u2013 the news today on\u2013 uh, uh, just prior to the noon news, I was reading, uh, hundreds of letters today that just poured in, and I turned it on and I caught just a bit of a program before. I can\u2019t think of that woman\u2019s name, some woman that, uh, has a program just before noon. What is her na\u2013 What is it, some wo\u2013 middle-aged uh, white woman. Virginia Graham. Virginia Graham\u2019s show had\u2013 they had a geneticist<\/em>, a very prominent one. And he said, I\u2019m horrified<\/em> to note, while some of you people, you\u2019re filling your bellies are wasting it and putting clothes on your backs, he said, I am horrified to tell you that the minority ethnic groups, there is a plan<\/em> in a military journal that\u2013 issued by the Pentagon, for weapons, ethnic weapons. What an ethnic weapon means? He said, the total destruction of the races that they don\u2019t want. A do\u2013 prominent doctor was telling it over Virginia Graham, who\u2019s a very conservative<\/em> \u2013 in fact, she\u2019s sickeningly<\/em> conservative \u2013 and that they have developed ethnic weapons. They have<\/em> them \u2013 they already have them \u2013 that will destroy a whole race. And what do you suppose a military magazine\u2019s carrying such a thing as that? They weren\u2019t just saying it could<\/em> be done. This\u2013 this doctor was suggesting<\/em> that it be done. This doctor in the military paper \u2013 this was today<\/em> \u2013 was not just saying this is a possibility but it was being reco\u2013 recommended by the military journal. This is the way to solve all the minority races.<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 1<\/strong>: (Unintelligible beginning)\u2013 how many heard?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s not just black. That\u2019s uh, Mexican Americans, Indian Americans, to get out and get rid of all<\/em> the undesirables. You better learn to quit wasting food and put your money with people that will help. Because what we\u2019re trying to do, we\u2019re investing in down payments in these properties, and let most properties carry their weight. But we\u2019re not taking the total of our monies away by any<\/em> means, we\u2019re keeping them in a\u2013 in a definite liquid state so that we can make arrangements to get<\/em> out of here if trouble comes.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Scattered murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s sensible<\/em>. So, when you waste food, you\u2019re lucky somebody doesn\u2019t come down and smack you<\/em> right in the mouth.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know how to make it any plainer<\/em> than what I feel<\/em>, when\u2013 when there\u2013 that it\u2019s come to this<\/em> place in this<\/em>nation, that a military paper that\u2019s sent out all<\/em> over the nation, suggests a way to destroy races. They\u2019ve got genetics down to such tremendous science that they can destroy all the undesirable people. And if you haven\u2019t found it out yet, honey, you and me, in their eyes, are undesirable.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Responds<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Just any case that you thought that none of you were with-usn\u2019s<\/em> you better pinch<\/em> yourself and wake up, because you\u2019re with-usn\u2019s.<\/em> So I\u2019m not gonna tolerate it, and I don\u2019t expect anybody<\/em> to tolerate it, I don\u2019t care what uh\u2013 how uh, uh, new the person is, you can be kind, but you can say, Say, would you please read the sign? Please read that sign. We\u2019re trying to keep our monies. There\u2019s nobody<\/em>\u2013 I\u2019ll say this, you don\u2019t\u2013 may not want to subscribe to my divinity, but this is one thing you can<\/em> subscribe to, there\u2019s nobody<\/em> that watches money like I watch it. Because I know it\u2019s a medium of exchange. There\u2019s no<\/em> group that builds things and utilises the goo\u2013 the gifts so administratively sensible<\/em> as this group does. You just look at this building. I told Archie [Ijames] what I wanted \u2013 practicality \u2013 and that\u2019s what we got. And we did the work ourselves. You look at every place, you\u2019ll see frugality. Most churches with this size congregation, they\u2019d be worried about building buildings. I say, we crowd<\/em> until there is absolutely proven to me, there\u2019s no more room. Because we don\u2019t use a building that many times to worship, we can afford to be inconvenienced rather than put something in a building we can\u2019t use. Now this convalescent home, we can sell that. This children\u2019s home, already we\u2019re making changes. I was over there today in both places, and it\u2019s looking\u2013 they\u2019re all looking more beautiful. Those things can be sold. Now normally I believe in paying cash. But in this<\/em> case, I\u2019m quite glad we\u2019re not paying cash. We\u2019re paying it down, and we\u2019re letting it take care of itself, because land values increase. You put all your money in something today, you lose the value of it. Let it pay with its own inflated money. Let it pay. We got a fixed price, today\u2019s dollar. And the old ways, we\u2019ll have to give up some of our old ways. Now you shouldn\u2019t get under the bondage of it in your<\/em> system. We believe here in no credit buying, because credit buying individually is a chain<\/em> around your neck. It\u2019s a noose. It\u2019s a bondage. So you get out of debt. And, uh, frankly, there\u2019ll come a day \u2013 you might well know it \u2013 I\u2019m gonna ask what debts you got. The closer the the wolves get to our door\u2013 I\u2019m gonna ask what you\u2019re buying, if I need to.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Scattered affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because I figure, if you want protection<\/em> \u2013 you Christians might call it salvation, whatever you want to call it, safety \u2013 if you wish it, it\u2019s not fair unless you participate wholeheartedly. Everyone should participate wholeheartedly. Because, uh, I have a mind of a place that\u2019s the other side of Jordan (numerous references to the other side of Jordan as sanctuary, principally in Joshua)<\/span> where the sweet fields of Eden are, where there\u2019s milk and honey aplenty <\/em>(numerous references to the land of milk and honey, principally in the Pentateuch).<\/span> And it doesn\u2019t come by speculative imagination, it doesn\u2019t come by theories or opinions<\/em>, it doesn\u2019t come by prayer, \u2018cause there never was one answered when it come to saving people from genocide. Nobody ever heard one answered. The blessed Jews, like my precious Simon, they\u2013 and Dick Tropp, uh, the teacher over to my uh\u2013 my left, uh, his sixty relatives\u2013 no prayer was answered, and they were the chosen people. Didn\u2019t stop seven million of them from going to gas ovens. This brother over here, sixty<\/em> of his relatives went to gas ovens. Sixty<\/em> of his relatives went to gas ovens. Don\u2019t you tell me that they\u2019ve changed any. Don\u2019t you tell me those folk out there have changed any. If they have, it\u2019s\u2013 they\u2019re just a little damn meaner than they were before.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Shouts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Don\u2019t talk about them getting any better, \u2018cause they aren\u2019t getting any better. You\u2019re in that kind of pollyannishness, everything getting better and better, you just haven\u2019t pinched yourself lately. \u2018Cause they\u2019re mean<\/em> out there. I just heard over the news tonight, they come in and beat up some woman, grandmother, children, and wasn\u2019t satisfied\u2013 raped everybody in the house, just in the Bay Area, and then pulled, poured\u2013 what would you think, what\u2013 what kind of meanness that would cause \u2018em to pour plaster<\/em> in and kill all the fish<\/em>, just as one last stroke of meanness. Don\u2019t you tell me things getting better. Don\u2019t talk about any rapture. We\u2019re ruptured<\/em>, we\u2019re in a tribulation<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> A great<\/em> tribulation. And you\u2019re gonna have to go through blood<\/em>. I\u2019m not the only one who\u2019ll have to shed blood. I hope<\/em> I am. But not likely. So we better get free<\/em> of this old thing of thinking we\u2019re gonna buy ourselves safety. It\u2013 It\u2013 It looks good and it sounds good, and they tell us, some\u2013 of this Jesse Jackson comes along, that phoney ass. I been wanting to lay him where he belongs. And I\u2019ll do it now. He breaks away from this uh\u2013 the Southern Christian Leadership Conference that\u2019s on the course to socialism, and he wants to build black capitalism, and black America sweeps<\/em> in behind such a phoney as him. I said he\u2019s phoney<\/em>!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Loud affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> To think that we\u2019d throw aside Shuttleworth [Fred Shuttlesworth], and [Ralph] Abernathy, and Martin Luther King for a phoney<\/em> like him that broke off and started their own business, now is taking over all the SCL uh\u2013 buildings (stumbles over words) in Chicago and (sneering tone) saying the way for emancipation of black America is through black capitalism. And they\u2019ll be fools<\/em> that listen to him.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Responds<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Quiet) Millions and millions and millions. Idiocy. Now we uh\u2013 we can\u2019t do much about all the idiocy outside, but we sure don\u2019t have to be idiotic inside.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Responds<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We\u2019ve gotta be frugal, we\u2019ve got to save, we\u2019ve got to be sparing, we\u2019ve gotta put our monies to the resource. Now I didn\u2019t\u2013 I\u2019m not speaking this way because of the offering, uh, I\u2019m not beating<\/em> you \u2013 uh, browbeating you, if you haven\u2019t to give. But you sure don\u2019t have to waste our food and send it to the garbage pails. (Cries out) You sure don\u2019t have to do that! And I don\u2019t like for you to do that, and if you haven\u2019t taught your children some sense, then I<\/em> will teach them \u2013 if I have to \u2013 at the point of their ass. I\u2019ll teach \u2018em something!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Loud cheers<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Moderates) And if you don\u2019t believe ass is biblical, you just look through the Gospel of John and find uh\u2013 you\u2019ll find asses there (John 12:14-15, \u201cAnd Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written. Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass’s colt.\u201d).<\/span> Everybody else translates it that they can shoot themselves, I\u2019ll uh\u2013 I\u2019m just using it with much<\/em> more effectiveness than John used it. And I mean, I don\u2019t want to see you letting people throw food away, when we got starvation in these cities, we got little babies with sunken eyes and their ribs that are just poking through their skin. I get\u2013 I\u2019m like that fella you once heard when the income tax\u2013 you heard about that joke they used to do, which shows that I\u2019m somewhat ancient. Back then before we had TV, they had a radio skit, that uh, a guy with income tax, you know, they say income tax, he say (imitates Bud Abbott and Lou Costello) \u201cSlowly<\/em> I turn, step by step.\u201d You ever see Costello do that, uh, he\u2019d\u2013 he\u2019d always\u2013 Costello, poor Costello, would say the wrong word and get this\u2013 this guy to go. \u201cSlowly<\/em> I turn, step by step\u201d and he\u2019d go\u2013 he\u2019d go lunatic. Completely mad. When I see people waste, I wanna go, \u201cSlowly<\/em> I turn\u2013\u201d<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Light applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I wanna shake<\/em> people. I wanna shake<\/em> people that\u2019ve not taught their children. Particularly brown<\/em>, and black<\/em>, and light-skinned yellow, I wanna shake<\/em> you that you don\u2019t know where you are<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That you don\u2019t know the time of day. (Voice drops, then rises throughout) What you talkin\u2019 about? You know that they\u2019re not going to give us a thing that we don\u2019t build for ourselves. You know we can\u2019t dress our way into their promise. They\u2019ll hate us if we\u2019re in minks, they\u2019ll hate us if we\u2019re in Cadillacs, they\u2019ll hate us if we drive Rolls Royces. We\u2019ve gotta be smart<\/em>, and not have to have all the cancerous diseases of Rolls Royces and jewellerys, and save our money, and get some of it invested (voice softens) in some place in the sweet fields of Eden. Eden\u2019s changed south of the equator now, the sweet<\/em> fields of Eden! On some side of a Jordan<\/em>, where they don\u2019t have to have all their technology that\u2019s brought us such disasters as this. I tell you, I wouldn\u2019t care if I never had another stroke of medicine, I wouldn\u2019t care if I had to have a headache and never had an aspirin again. I\u2019d like to be someplace away from crazy people that create genetic weapons to destroy whole races of people!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Applause, cheers<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I wouldn\u2019t care if I never saw another one of your dirty old TV\u2019s. Wouldn\u2019t care if I never had one of your radios again. I don\u2019t care nothing about your fashions and your flashy clothes and all this foolish thing. We call ourselves emancipated, going around in this rich, Afro-design clothes. (Slowly) We\u2019re still the same you-know-what. To the world, you might as well think it, you might as well believe it. To us<\/em>, we\u2019re just as important as the universe itself. But I don\u2019t care what we put on ourselves, we\u2019re still gonna be the (cries out) dirt of the earth.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Shouts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Cries out) They\u2019ll still<\/em> spit on us! (Moderates) And finally, they\u2019ll come, and they\u2019ll kill<\/em> us thinking they do God a service (John 16:2, \u201cThey shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.\u201d).<\/span> You\u2019re not in some kind of a mission now with insane pollyannishness, that every day and every way, things are getting better and better. This is a new age. The only way they\u2019re better is in our circle. But outside there, it\u2019s gonna wax worse and worse. The love of many gonna wax worse and worse.<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 2<\/strong>: unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What is it?<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 2<\/strong>: unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Why, he\u2019s a paid pimp<\/em>! He\u2019s a paid pimp<\/em>! I heard someone talking about he uh\u2013 his Operation Breadbasket uh, uh, today that should know better. The Sun Reporter<\/em> gives you enough, they\u2013 they have to print a press, but you can tell by every slant of their paper that they don\u2019t have no use for Jesse Jackson.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Scattered affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Tells about what he did to SCL \u2013 uh, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference \u2013 you people ought to learn to quit looking at somebody\u2019s damnable body<\/em>, and how well they can stand up and look like they got the right sideburns and hold their chin<\/em> just right. [Adolf] Hitler\u2013 (short laugh) Hitler<\/em> held his<\/em> chin pretty well. Time you gotta realise we got black dirt just as we got white<\/em> dirt to watch out for. And the black dirt\u2019s mis\u2013 more miserable than all.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Scattered shouts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So, let\u2019s just get our nose clean and know that\u2013 they\u2013 we uh, not gonna waste here, and it\u2019s your responsibility as a neighbour to see that they don\u2019t do it. As I said, we can\u2019t make you p\u2013 uh, pay your way, but I am disturbed, I\u2019ve gone over this thing, and so you\u2019ve seen who in s\u2013 in the Bay Area that didn\u2019t participate in our Christmas, and I\u2019m chagrined.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You see, I asked for every name that participated. And I\u2019m looking at every name that didn\u2019t<\/em> participate. And I wonder what you\u2019re doing while we\u2019re trying to save your life. I wonder what you\u2019re doing<\/em>!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Responds<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Out there, selling and buying, in the old spirit of this\u2013 all false traditions, giving gifts to people that are not of this consciousness. I wonder what you\u2019re doing, didn\u2019t\u2013 you couldn\u2019t be here on Christmas, and an influx comes home every time we get home, and I can always tell folk been out on Christmas. You know what I wish you\u2019d do? I hope you go some Christmas and get lost.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Calls and applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Voice rises sharply) I hope you go to grandma, I hope you go to grandaddy, I hope you go to your aunts and uncles, because I\u2019ll tell you, unless you forsake all those<\/em>, you\u2019re not worthy of one inch of my protection!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Cheers, shouts of affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (In full throat) If you\u2019re socialist, call upon me in the day of trouble, and I will deliver you, but if you\u2019ve got houses<\/em> back there, if you\u2019ve got lands<\/em>, or husbands<\/em>, or a wife<\/em>, in that false consciousness, if you\u2019ve got somebody to bury, then you stay back there. You don\u2019t belong here!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Shouts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Moderates slightly) You got any other gods beside one god. Not this person, I\u2019m an impersonal reality. I\u2019m a universal principle<\/em>. They\u2019re not glorying this body. This body means nothing, only in that this body, is this nothing in it, nothing under this robe but pure socialism.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s the only reason this body has any significance! This body represents the redemptive quality (Cries out) that will save mankind!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Cheers<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Softly, then builds) So I\u2019m\u2013 I want you to realise, that this impersonal principle better be put in the hearts and minds of people. \u2018Cause one day, you may come and say, Well, where is Sister so-and-so? The Temple\u2019s embl\u2013 empty. Where\u2019s the one that\u2019s garning the grain, where\u2019s the one that\u2019s at the wheel, where\u2019s the one that\u2019s at the utensils, or at the\u2013 (stumbles over words) the uh, counter distributing the food? Where are the workers? One shall be taken, and the other left. One shall be in the field working, and suddenly they\u2019ll say, where are my comrades? (Luke 17:35-36, \u201cTwo women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.\u201d See also, Matthew 24:40-41.)<\/span> And I\u2019ll tell you, you\u2019ll have to look for us (voice rises) in the sweet fields of Eden! Somewhere,<\/em> where there\u2019s peace<\/em> in the valley, somewhere<\/em> where people won\u2019t sell out their brother and sister, somewhere where they won\u2019t bring in the rag-tail symbolism of that old mortal mind, won\u2019t drag you in all their new clothes. You make me sick<\/em> with your new clothes, you make me want to vomit<\/em> with your new clothes! Whosoever you are! (Pause) I said, whosoever you are! (Pause) (Moderates) The plainer and the simpler this group gets, the more we dress up the heart, instead of the external, the happier I\u2019ll be. We can\u2019t expect the old to do it, until the young will do it too. You young will set an example, because older people feel insecure in this mad race, capitalist society. They feel insecure. \u2018Cause everybody makes you conscious of aging in this society, make you realise that age has no value, that you only have value in as much as you can look like something outside. Don\u2019t make a difference what\u2019s in your heart, you gotta look like something. So some of you young people will have to set the pace of modesty, moderation. So we can get off of this binge of wasting our money. I\u2019m so tired of seeing Uncle Tomahawk and Aunt Jane-hawks, and Uncle Toms and Aunt Janes. I\u2019m so tired of seeing the white man\u2019s (voice rises) you-know-what! I\u2019m tired of looking at you! (Moderates) I\u2019m looking at less of you tonight than most. Unfortunate fact is I hope it\u2019s being recorded, \u2018cause everyone gonna\u2013 ought to get a burst of this someday when I go to build a mansion \u2013 I\u2019m not talking \u2018bout dying \u2013 I\u2019m talking of preparing a place for those that love God Socialism.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Shouts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> When I have to go away, if it\u2019s necessary to prepare such a place, I want them to listen<\/em> to this, uh, I want people to hear<\/em> this, because I don\u2019t like tinselled Uncle Toms and Aunt Janes. (Voice slows, pointed) I don\u2019t like the white man\u2019s N. Do I make myself clear?<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>loud calls of affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, I hope I have. I don\u2019t like people manipulated by that old false system, and I see too much of it in here. When holidays come, I can see the crowd (unintelligible word). Where have you been? I\u2019ve been to Auntie so-and-so. (Slowly) Who in the hell is Auntie?<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Responds<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Voice rises sharply) What will grandma do to get you out of your trouble? Is she making any plans, when they come along with their medicines that will stop you dead in your tracks?<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>No!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s no longer theory<\/em>, now. You just ask for a copy of Virginia Graham\u2019s program<\/em>. It\u2019s no longer theory<\/em>! It\u2019s on<\/em> us! (Pause) (Softens) So what is grandma gonna do, what is your grandchildren gonna do, what are your sons and daughters doing about it? While you\u2019re setting around feeding your gut<\/em>, while some of us are working our rear ends off trying to save you. I don\u2019t\u2013 Now don\u2019t tell me, don\u2019t ever ask me. Don\u2019t you ever, ever ask me if you can go see Auntie. \u2018Cause I\u2019m gonna tell you to take Auntie, and stick Auntie\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Murmured response<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause if you\u2019ve got an auntie that\u2019s not a socialist, (voice rises sharply) I\u2019m afraid of you! I don\u2019t trust you! If you\u2019ve got one relative you hold on to that isn\u2019t socialistic, I don\u2019t have faith in you! I want you to understand, if your mother and your father and your sister and your brother are not socialist, you\u2019re traitors. That\u2019s what you are! (Voice softens) Now that\u2019s exactly where it is. You say, that\u2019s not Bible. That\u2019s as Bible as apple pie is American. Said, except you forsake all<\/em>! (Luke 14:33, So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.\u201d See also Matthew 19: 26-28)<\/span> So don\u2019t talk to me about your blood ties. They mean nothing to me. My so-called father [James Thurman Jones], if I\u2019da been listening to what my so-called father, none of you\u2019da been saved from the wheelchairs and the crippling conditions and the cancers and poverty and disease. I\u2019da been living under a Ku Klux Klan consciousness with a sell-out dad that was trying to make-believe he wasn\u2019t (breathless) Indian. (Voice rises) I wouldn\u2019t accept my natural father, and that\u2019s why you\u2019re saved<\/em>! So don\u2019t talk to me about your damned mothers and fathers, I don\u2019t wanna hear who they are! I don\u2019t wanna hear who your children are. I don\u2019t wanna hear your grandchildren. I don\u2019t want you to put them up. That\u2019s why you\u2019re not well, whole in your mind and body, except you sell all<\/em>! (Luke 14:33, Matthew 19: 26-28) You shall not inherit that which I am (Galatians 5:21, \u201c\u2026which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.\u201d)<\/span> (Pause) (Quiet) I thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Sustained applause<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

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Part II<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calm but intense) Lotta things (unintelligible) in me. If ever\u2013 If this place was ever [to] betray socialism, some night I\u2019d set every damn building afire, it\u2019d burn down so fast, there wouldn\u2019t be left\u2013 nothing left but cinders. So don\u2019t ever\u2013 don\u2019t ever fool with me. I gave to this\u2013 I lived (unintelligible word) through this\u2013 in this body. If it hadn\u2019t been for this enormous task of trying to build socialism in an alien country, in a country that doesn\u2019t want it, where selfishness is all around me. So if any\u2013 anyone ever betrays this place, if anyone falls into enemy hands (Pause) or if I\u2013 if I happen to leave the body, I\u2019ll get it done one way, you better be sure you not go back to religion in here. (Pause) (Tape malfunction for several seconds) Right, 60 percent of the world. Not you or me, but three percent of the hidden rulers of this country, the big capitalists own 66 percent of the world. And they give us a little Kleenex, and they give us some shampoo, and some bath bubbles, and this meat, and some tea and some coffee and other crap. They give us that as our Judas price. Our Judas price. Here\u2019s the Judas price we pay (reference to payment of thirty pieces of silver to Judas for betrayal of Jesus, Matthew 26:14-16).<\/span> I\u2019d like to be naked in the jaybird in midwinter. I\u2019d feel cleaner. I wish they\u2019d strip me and meet me head on. I wish they\u2019d come<\/em> for me tonight, if it wasn\u2019t for you. I feel dirty. I don\u2019t believe in taking anything don\u2019t belong to me. And this doesn\u2019t belong to me. This is not my world. (Pause) You dig me? Do you understand what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Muted affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> When my black brothers are dying, while the American giants, the CIA, is killing people like [Che] Guevara all over this world, then I can\u2019t be at peace. When they\u2019re killing our black brothers and our yellow brothers, I feel dirty being here, and I\u2019m only here for you. And if we ever sell out socialism, this place would be torn up. Don\u2019t sell it too far, \u2018cause there\u2019s a lot of things capable in me. If this ever\u2013 If this place was ever [to] betray socialism? Some night I\u2019d set every damn building afire. It\u2019d burn down so fast there wouldn\u2019t be left\u2013 nothing left but cinders. So don\u2019t ever\u2013 don\u2019t ever fool with me. I gave my life for this. I\u2019d lived\u2013 I could live several centuries in this body, if it hadn\u2019t been for this enormous task of trying to build socialism in an alien country, in a country that doesn\u2019t want it, uh, where selfishness is all around me. So if ever\u2013 if anyone ever betrays this place, I\u2019ll burn it down \u2018fore it ever falls into enemy hands. (Pause) Or if I\u2013 if I happen to leave the body, I\u2019ll get it done one way, you better be sure you better not go back to religion in here. If you go back to the Skygod in here, I\u2019ll send a bolt of thunder that\u2019ll knock you on your ass, even if I\u2019m not here. I guarantee it.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Sustained applause.<\/p>\n

Lengthy pause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Yes? John, you did have something to say while ago, didn\u2019t you, while I\u2013 (mumbles) Yeah.<\/p>\n

John<\/strong>: I\u2019d like to uh, get\u2013 give you some information about what happened before uh, [Fulgenio] Batista was uh, killed before\u2013 or not killed, but chased out of uh, Cuba. For years I belonged to the Seaman\u2019s Union, and uh, we smuggled literature, communist literature, into Cuba. I\u2019ve had comrades killed doing this. I\u2019ve had comrades that were liberated only when the revolution came about, because they were caught and thrown in jail. So this thing\u2019s hit\u2013 hit me pretty hard tonight. And, uh, you\u2019ll have to forgive me. It\u2019s hit me very<\/em> hard. And to watch what\u2019s happening here \u2013 kids being brats \u2013 and there are no juvenile children. I\u2019ve never heard of one in my life. But there are juvenile adults.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah. Delinquent adults.<\/p>\n

John<\/strong>: That\u2019s right. People have to\u2013 Everybody has to get their head into uh, what Jim is saying. This is where it\u2019s at. Religion is the most poisonous goddamn thing that ever existed on the face of the Earth. The only thing it\u2019s ever<\/em> done is killed off millions of people throughout the world. Not Christianity. There isn\u2019t any. The only place there is, is here. And that\u2019s only with a few. But Churchianity<\/em>, that\u2019s taken over Christianity right from the\u2013 right off the bat. When they couldn\u2019t uh, destroy them, they simply joined them and changed the whole thing over, and it\u2019s run that way ever since. I\u2019m glad that Comrade Jim is here, uh\u2013 back here to straighten it out. I think we should really get into this thing, there\u2013 this business of we can or we can\u2019t. We have<\/em> to. Now what is love? If you let your child run around bossing you or doing as it pleases, you don\u2019t love him, you hate him. And you\u2019re showing it to the entire public. If you can\u2019t be an example to your kid, turn him over to somebody else that can be.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> True, true.<\/p>\n

John<\/strong>: And if you can\u2019t even take that, just pack up and go. We\u2019re not\u2013 we can\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah. Don\u2019t drain\u2013 Don\u2019t drain the blood of every\u2013 everybody that\u2019s trying. That\u2019s a good point.<\/p>\n

John<\/strong>: And uh, I think that uh, the more we see of these movies, and the more we relate them to ourselves, the sooner we\u2019re going to get where we\u2019re going. Well, I\u2019m afraid too that uh, it\u2019s going to have to be uh, probably to a country like<\/em>Cuba or somewhere where they have a structure, if uh\u2013 if it doesn\u2019t work out here, we\u2019re sure gonna try it. But if it doesn\u2019t work out here, something\u2019s gotta be done, some structure\u2019s gotta be formed. And uh, I would much rather see it done here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Of course. Of course.<\/p>\n

John<\/strong>: Where we\u2019re needed. Not to go over, uh, they\u2019ve fought and died for it already. This is the place for it. This is a place to<\/em> do it. And this is a place where we have to get like they are right in that\u2013 like you saw tonight.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I think you\u2019re so true. Some of us old workers, particularly, we\u2019d uh\u2013 we older comrades, we would uh, be miserable probably to be in a place where we knew somebody else had brought about that. So I think the only answer would be\u2013 would be to send those who had a future and could give something and who were young and couldn\u2019t be protected, to send them and some of us to stay, and uh, then do what we supposed to do. (Pause) That\u2019s probably the way I would do it.<\/p>\n

Unidentified female 1:<\/strong> Unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>What is it? What\u2019d you s\u2013<\/p>\n

Unidentified female 1:<\/strong> Unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, would could\u2013 we\u2019d do it if we can do it, you see. But sometimes you have to go away until you can get\u2013 uh, till people get ready. There\u2019s nothing like the brainwashed American. Nothing. Uh, that\u2019s sick. They\u2019re miserable. Miserably sick. But we\u2019ve got some optimums in the\u2013 in the air, if uh\u2013 we\u2019ll see what happens. I think a lot of enlightened people will see this\u2013 this election, they\u2019re gonna see how all the systems corral\u2013 uh, coerce uh\u2013 the forces of good, and how they use every method under the sun to try to block progress. Maybe then people will realise that (short laugh) it\u2019s gonna take other kind of steps than conventions. \u2018Cause don\u2019t think Mister [George] McGovern gonna slide in easily. Yes, (unintelligible name)?<\/p>\n

Unidentified female 2:<\/strong> I was so glad to see the picture\u2013 (mic switches on) I was so glad to see the picture because it really opened up Cuba for me, because I didn\u2019t realise that was Cuba at all. I thought Cuba uh, was really uh, united with the communists, and the people were very much bound. And to see them all so free \u2013 and I mean really living this life and the little children waiting on each other and all \u2013 I thought it was really beautiful. And I really am so glad I saw it. Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019re most welcome. Well, you know, it\u2019s just like the (unintelligible word). Everything that they\u2013 anything that\u2019s good, they make you immediately hate. They brainwash you. And so the press is owned by [Randolph] Hearst and the rich and so they brainwash our minds saying everything is bad, you know, Cuba\u2019s communist, Cuba\u2019s this, that, and the other. But here\u2019s a film done by an American from the University of California right there. No rehearsal, just done. Children don\u2019t know how to rehearse, you know. Children don\u2019t know how to do anything but be themselves. So when you see a film like that, you know it\u2019s real<\/em>. Isn\u2019t no acting to it. That\u2019s just children, the way they are. And if you\u2019ve got any kind of uh, uh, discernment, you can see the sincerity, as she said, the freedom<\/em>, the relaxation<\/em> of those children. (Pause) Well, the people that need to hear this are fast asleep. The ones of you that are listening don\u2019t need to, and I\u2019ve got some folk here that I hope to get to, and they\u2019re sleeping like a log. It never fails. (Pause) Yes?<\/p>\n

Unidentified female 3:<\/strong> Uh, I had noticed a\u2013 a couple years ago that my kids were becoming very sabotaged by capitalistic television. It\u2019s very, very undermining for children, so we got rid of the set completely. Well, what happened, we just\u2013 it broke and we didn\u2019t fix it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good thing. Better to break it, and say it\u2019s broke.<\/p>\n

Unidentified female 3:<\/strong> Uh, I\u2013 I feel at this point I have such negative feelings toward the television programs they have for children right now. I think they\u2019re horrible, and I think the advertisement is horrible, and I think perhaps if we have disciplines for our kids, like not smoking and not drinking, we can have that discipline too.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh, I think it\u2019s certainly something to consider. My problem has been to estab\u2013 establishing discipline is that some folk, uh, they can\u2013 they can say a lot of thou-shalt-nots, but they don\u2019t know how to give any love. And so I have been hesitant to uh, go that, you know, to\u2013 to the extremes I\u2019d like to go<\/em> to. I\u2019m not thinking in your case. I\u2019m sure you know how<\/em> to give love. But some\u2013 some\u2013<\/p>\n

Unidentified female 3:<\/strong> A great deal more love. Since that television\u2019s been out of the house, we\u2019ve had a much more close relatings to each other.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I think\u2013 I think there\u2019s much to be said for it. Put it\u2013 We oughtta put it to a vote of the children and see what their\u2013 their reactions are and their parents\u2019 reaction. Then getting it done. Just like we\u2019d be a healthier people if sex was banned, but who\u2013 who\u2019s going to go around the bedrooms and watch<\/em> it? I\u2019m sure, \u2018cause I\u2019ve seen\u2013 I\u2019m sure not gonna do it \u2018cause I\u2019ve seen all that foolish failure that I want to. I\u2019m not going to go around, hunting around bedrooms, seeing who is doing it and who\u2019s not doing it. I\u2019d sooner go across the street and watch a\u2013 a crap game than watch sex. Nothing so boring in all my life than two bodies rubbing together each other, don\u2019t know what they\u2019re doing. Nothing. Some people yearning to get it done, and that\u2013 it\u2019s the biggest mess there ever was. Two self-centred, narcissistic people lolly-gagging. So I\u2019m not gonna go around and police the bedrooms. And that\u2019s exactly what you\u2019d have to do. Say, don\u2019t\u2013 Some of these folks who haven\u2019t been able to do it in ten years, would start doing it. Minute you said, Don\u2019t, they\u2019d do a, Well, I\u2019m gonna do it, [or] die trying.<\/p>\n

Rick:<\/strong> Unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Deliberate) Every form of treason that\u2019s happened in this room has started with somebody wanting something they didn\u2019t\u2013 uh, acting like they wanted something that they didn\u2019t. Sex. Every form of treason that\u2019s happened here has happened over sex.<\/p>\n

Rick:<\/strong> If I could say one more thing too. What we saw tonight was an example of what can be done when just a real small, minute country.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Off mic) Patricia. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Rick:<\/strong> If we\u2013 If we realise that this man sitting up here represents the destruction of capitalism, if we follow him in this country, which will free countries all over the world from our grips. So if we accomplish this here, it\u2019ll bring about that type what we saw tonight possible, all over the world. Not just in this country, but all over. So we have a greater task to perform here, and a much more beautiful ending if we will follow him.<\/p>\n

Long pause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2013 I missed that. I had some discernment that had to be taken care of right now.<\/p>\n

Unidentified female 4:<\/strong> I thought it was marvellous how well the races got on, that you couldn\u2019t see any friction between them.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Ah, isn\u2019t that just beautiful\u2013 just beautiful? Nothing superficial. Anytime you integrate some school in America, it\u2019s\u2013 you can tell<\/em> the falseness of it. When it just flowed. And that little white child taking that\u2013 that\u2013 that tray to the little black child so naturally, so beautifully. Just come\u2013 That\u2019s\u2013 Only socialism can do that. We got some of these people in here that\u2019s so foolish they\u2013 Well, we need to get out there and struggle more for racism and quit talking about socialism. And they\u2019re not here, ones that should be getting this, not here, they\u2019re not here. We need to show this film, it\u2019s gotta be shown again, and uh, discuss it again. You can\u2019t get rid of racism until you get rid of the things that divide people. Only reason people hate each other is because some got more\u2019n others. So it\u2019s easy to hate people on the basis of colour because you can see<\/em> colour. But hate stops when people are equal<\/em>. You don\u2019t have to have any reason to hate anymore. When everybody\u2019s got equal opportunity, you don\u2019t hate anymore. The only reason whites hate black, vice versa is because the poor white feels threatened<\/em>. People ought to love each other more, is the poor white niggers and the poor black niggers, but they\u2013 they hate each other. So the system works it that way. You get them fighting amongst themselves instead of the rich man that\u2019s keeping them down. It\u2019s always (stumbles over words) Okie rednecks. But a little bit of change has come. What was this group in Chicago? It was interesting how those white haters there joined hands with the Black Panthers. What was the name of that group? The uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice in congregation:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The what? The Young Patriots? A group of Oklahoma people that were also poverty stricken. They got the\u2013 They got the idea, said we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll quit this fighting amongst ourselves, and so those white southerners went over and joined the Black Panthers, and they started fighting together. Now when things get bad enough, that\u2019s what will happen too. Uh\u2013 Bad enough, people will realise where it\u2019s at. But it\u2019s gotta get a lot worse than it is here. Of course, some of you say, Well, America\u2019s so good! Why is it? If you would\u2013 If you were out robbing 60 percent of the people, you ought to be able to have things fairly decent, wouldn\u2019t you? That\u2019s the reason we got things good. That\u2019s why we can get this, and that and the other thing. But yet it\u2019s so bad, when one out of four patients\u2013 patients, according to Time<\/em> Magazine, gets a wrong dosage of medicine, every day in a hospital. One out of six<\/em> surgeries are wrong or unnecessary. In rich America. (Pause) Many a patient died, I\u2019ve seen them\u2013 I\u2019ve seen them given\u2013 I saw a patient die, penicillin reaction, died right quickly, she wasn\u2019t even supposed to get penicillin. Young, 22-year-old mother, pregnant. Died. Chart didn\u2019t show it. Said she had heart failure. She did. Penicillin caused it. But her family never knew the difference. (Pause) But we just don\u2019t have it bad enough. You oughta, uh\u2013 Any of you remember the days of the\u2013 what was that show, painful show, that described the\u2013 that showed the p\u2013 poor people coming to the West? Grapes of Wrath<\/em>. People travelling through the desert, and their folks dying in the desert and having to bury them right out, and (Stumbles over words) let them lay and let the vultures get them. The Great Depression almost brought socialism. Almost. My dad [James Thurman Jones], he was a bigot, but he marched on Washington during those days. But the army loved him, he always thought the army loved him, till that time [Gen. Douglas] MacArthur fired on him. And my dad was an officer, but they fired on him. They went to get their pensions from World War One and they\u2013 General MacArthur ordered them shot at right\u2013 and they were\u2013 some of them killed. Things\u2019ll have to get that bad. And that\u2019s why we talk about leaving, Christine, sometimes, you see that things are so bad that uh, uh, if we sit here, if we sit here and don\u2019t have a structure, if we\u2013 and if building a structure kills off its leadership, the best thing to do then is get your people out till they\u2019re ready to come back.<\/p>\n

Unidentified female (Christine?):<\/strong> unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2013 I understand what\u2013 I think what you\u2019re saying. We\u2013 We should get on the ball and do all we can. Any other comment, Mother? Ten minutes we\u2019ll quit. (Pause) I\u2019d like to hear from some others who haven\u2019t talked, if I could.<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 4:<\/strong> Uh, the point that you missed that Rick uh, brought up was that because the United States controls so much of the world, it would be better to try to establish (tape fade for one second) benefit the whole world rather than leave and go somewhere else where it\u2019s already been established.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, we wouldn\u2019t feel too good about kicking out. Some of us older folks wouldn\u2019t. I don\u2019t wanna tell you what I\u2019d do if I got all of you to safety, my mothers and my sisters and little brothers, little children, if I got \u2018em all to safety. I\u2019m not gonna tell you what I\u2019d do. But I\u2019m gonna say, it\u2019d be something like that song, You\u2019re gonna hear from me. That\u2019s what it\u2019d be. If I ever got all of our folk to safety, there\u2019d never be so much mention of Jim Jones\u2019 name, for a little while at least, it wouldn\u2019t\u2013 might not last long, but for a little while, there\u2019d be a whole lot of mention of Jim Jones\u2019 name. He might be out healing the sick and casting out devils. Ha ha. Ha ha. (Pause) If you read me\u2013 Be a whole lot of devils that\u2019d be cast out for a while. Oh, I wish I didn\u2019t have to concern myself so much over little\u2013 little people, but I know what they can do to little people. I know what we did in Brazil when we took over that country. I saw it happen, boy, I saw the generals walking right into the embassy. Businessman right across the way said what was gonna happen, and it sure (unintelligible word) did. Same generals. And now they cut off the breasts of people, our CIA has cut off the breasts of nuns who\u2019ve resisted, plucked out the eyes, pulled out the fingernails. I know what they can do to children, and they won\u2019t spare a minute. They\u2019ll do anything. And that\u2019s where they got you. (Stumbles over words) I mean Brazil, South America, was trained by our<\/em> government in all this torture. Putting electrodes up a woman\u2019s vagina and giving them so much charge that they\u2019d faint and bleed and haemorrhage to death. We got some devils<\/em> in this country, the like of which\u2013 Well, you know the devils, when they\u2013 how they murdered Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. You know they\u2019re there. They just haven\u2019t had to come out too<\/em> much. Who knows, uh, who knows how many people they really killed. Who knows someone didn\u2019t give uh, Father Divine something that he shouldna had earlier in his days, some kind of stuff that muss\u2013 made his brain go wrong. Hm? He used to be a socialist<\/em>. Used to march with the socialists in uh, Harlem to work for the people and feed the people. He sure wasn\u2019t run\u2013 he wasn\u2019t running around in Cadillacs then. And that\u2019s\u2013 And you know how many times they tried to poison me. I just happened to have more power than he did as a metaphysician. I\u2019m the most powerful metaphysician there ever was, but you saw they put enough in here and they took it right over to this general hospital, they said it would kill \u2013 how many horses? Ten horses. Something like that. Ten horses. They got poisons they can give you till you don\u2019t know which\u2013 which end\u2019s up. That\u2019s why I have to watch, I watch\u2013 that\u2019s why everything\u2019s covered here, everything\u2019s covered so that you don\u2019t get anything in me. (Stumbles over words) I would like to think that\u2019s what had happened to him, that he was poisoned, I hope that that was the case, and they admit it wasn\u2019t the case, but uh, anyway, uh, a lot of good people\u2019ve been eliminated. And when too many get out, to threaten the system, they\u2019ll get to ya. They\u2019ll get to you. Or, who knows\u2013 who knows, maybe someone come to Father Divine some night and said, Your movement\u2019s getting too big, now it\u2019s either this or we\u2019re gonna cut all your throats. You stop doing this, and start doing this. They\u2019ve come to me<\/em> and threatened me<\/em>. I just haven\u2019t yielded. And I never would<\/em> for me<\/em>, and I won\u2019t for you<\/em>, \u2018cause I\u2019ve gone through<\/em> it. I figured that if I sell out, that\u2019s the worst kind of death I could give you. But I dread the thought of you ever being tortured. I\u2019m not<\/em> ready to be able to accept the thought that you would have to be tortured for my beliefs. \u2018Cause\u2013 And I say my<\/em> beliefs, because too<\/em> many cases it\u2019s my beliefs that they\u2019d be tortured for. They wouldn\u2019t even know what they were being tortured for. So if suddenly some night (unintelligible word) there\u2019s a breakdown, and I say Get\u2013 We gotta get ready and get moving, please move. Do what I\u2013 Do what I\u2019ve told you. I\u2019ve made alliances all over the world to get you free. And don\u2019t make me have to follow you if I don\u2019t want to. Because I was born to live and serve (tape malfunction). And you know I couldn\u2019t do it comfortably, if my older women, and brothers, and little babies were being\u2013 were being\u2013 being tortured. I couldn\u2019t do that very well. It\u2019s\u2013 I\u2019m just not\u2013 I\u2013 I couldn\u2019t do it. I\u2013 I\u2013 I don\u2019t want to talk about it. Too many people listen. You wanna say something, my son?<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 5:<\/strong> Uh, before I say this, I realise that I\u2013 I do have a lot of false selfishness and prejudice and all that, but, uh, I like, I\u2013 before I came up here, I used to wonder why there\u2019re ghettoes and stuff like that, but now I wa\u2013 I\u2013 I watch, and uh, more whites come up here and talk about it than you blacks. You just sit there, you have to be led, you don\u2019t\u2013 you never speak up or nothing. You just sit there, you know, I don\u2019t never, you know. You don\u2019t\u2013 And I find out that religion, you are more in that. You have more, you know, about that by-and-by, you\u2013 you are still in it, you know, more than other people. That\u2019s the way I see it, you know. And that\u2019s all I wanted to say.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you. (pause) [Karl] Marx said religion\u2019s an opiate to the people, and it\u2019s a two-way street. Not only is it an opiate to keep you asleep, but it\u2019s a necessary opiate because the hell around them\u2019s so miserable they can\u2019t face it, so they take it. And so, naturally the blacks had the worst kind of life, so they take more of the opiate. Yet they\u2019ll listen to me tear it down more than anybody else. The whites that get in the movement \u2013 it\u2019s true, he made a very keen observation \u2013 the inner core workers, hard workers, a lot of them are white. Strange, you can\u2019t get them to come into meetings<\/em> hardly, but the\u2013 when they do come, they\u2019ll stick, and become really sold out. Some of the people working their hind ends off here are white. I mean, you know, we say light-complected, dark-complected, but just for definition. That\u2019s very strange, isn\u2019t it, but in the public meetings, you won\u2019t see three percent white. In fact, the white congregation would actually come and tar and feather me for what I preach. Maybe a lot of the blacks don\u2019t understand what I\u2019m saying. That could be too. Maybe that\u2019s the fact, if they don\u2019t understand all I\u2019m saying. Some of them<\/em> would tar and feather me. But even the little woman I argued with Saturday night, she disagreed with me, she talking about the Lord-this, and the Lord-that, but she said, I can\u2019t help but like you, Brother. (chuckles). She understood what I was saying. I\u2013 I\u2013 I come at her, I did one thing I shouldna done, but she was coming at me with that silly tongues they hide behind, and she went (Mock glossolalia) and I said (Mock glossolalia)\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Laughs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> She said, Ahhhh. She said, that\u2019s not real, that\u2019s not real. She took that. I\u2013 I\u2013 the only thing I wish I hadn\u2019t done, but she just started this stuff you know, they always want to \u2013 as soon as they start thinking, or talking, they want to start that. (Mock glossolalia) So I jumped back at her, and she took that so graciously. Why, if that\u2019da been a white person (whistles softly). (Chuckles) And she left friendly, she asked me for a prayer cloth before she left. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Laughs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That was some evening.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation: <\/strong>unintelligible, too soft<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Chews on ice ) Mhm-hh [Yes]. Strange woman. But she didn\u2019t want me messin\u2019 with her Lord.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>laughs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We live and learn. And that\u2019s the sacrifice, I guess, that we\u2013 we will stay in religion. That\u2019s the proof of our dedication, it\u2019s our duty to keep a group together, to keep resources together, to keep strength that could be used on a moment\u2019s notice. So we suffer religion to be so. May even have to do more than that, I thought sometimes, why, you know if I go out on a campaign, how much money I could send back here for work, or how much I could send to build us facilities abroad, if we were forced to leave? Or to provide our c\u2013 our cave? If I could only get my\u2013 I\u2019d do it. The right thing would be to do it, but my blood pressure goes up, and I endan\u2013 endanger my health, which endangers you. But if I could go out there and preach a straight Jesus doctrine, with my gift, (breathless) thousands<\/em>, they\u2019d just thousands<\/em> would pack in on me. Why, you couldn\u2019t\u2013 why, if I just shut my mouth about these issues and uh, just preached the straight old religious crap, I\u2013 And that might have to be<\/em> someday, but I just can\u2019t get my blood pressure to agree with it.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation: <\/strong>unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, why, yeah, I think two\u2013 two thousands outside in the yard. They climbed through the building, (stumbles over words) in Cincinnati, they climbed\u2013 in Cincinnati, Ohio, two thousand people out in the yard. Thousands inside, two thousand out. And I remember when a woman getting healed of cancer, I called her out, and she climbed right through a window, she\u2019s 300 pounds, and she come right smack through a window. Fear of God was on that place. You could hear a pin<\/em> drop in my meeting. But I made myself too real<\/em>, too honest, (Pause) I\u2019d sit in my chair and look at you very quietly, you know, and keep that religious demeanour. Look holy, yeah. I always wished I could develop what Father [Divine] had on that, he could just look at them and then say \u201cAren\u2019t you glad!\u201d \u201cSo glad!\u201d they\u2019d say. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Laughs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But I never\u2013 I never\u2013 (laughs) I just don\u2019t have it. In the office, he\u2019d relax. He\u2019d relax, and he could say some pretty straight things in the office. But he had it going for him there. But familiarity breeds what? Contempt. Should br\u2013 breed uh, respect, but it breeds contempt. We like our gods to be alo\u2013 aloof\u2013 aloof from us. Uh, not as human as we are. Different from us. Uh, when\u2013 when they get too human\u2013 Today, I don\u2019t like shorts, but I had to do some work, and I thought, I\u2019m not gonna wear those shorts, I\u2019m gonna find me an old pair of pants. And I thought, well, that\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ve only\u2013 I\u2019ve only got a couple of pants, so I put on an old swimming suit. And I knew<\/em> that wasn\u2019t the thing to do, some of you folk don\u2019t like, uh, woof, don\u2019t see God in a swimming suit. That\u2019s too much. Too<\/em> much to see God in a swimming suit. And I\u2013 And I don\u2019t care for \u2018em in the first place, I don\u2019t like to go tripping around in shorts. Uh\u2013 But I had to do it. I knew that I needed to\u2013 to humanise. Some of you. That\u2019s false, and it\u2019s uh, been my conclusion that we\u2019ve come this far, we might as well go all the way with honesty. We might as well kill<\/em> any kind of false image that you\u2019ve got. And if I<\/em> don\u2019t kill it, nobody can. I either cuss it out or do something to get it out. But if we don\u2019t talk to the masses, it might be your necessity sometime to hold the fort while I go, if I could ever get my blood pressure to agree, \u2018cause I could go out and have a campaign someplace in the East where they didn\u2019t know me, or in the South, and I could bring in ten thousand dollars a night. Ten thousand dollars a night. And probably when I got back here in three weeks, there\u2019d be hell-raising.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation: <\/strong>unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got to get so solidified and unified that we can uh, free me to do what\u2019s the best for the good\u2013 greatest number. Of course these are all ifs and ands. Frankly I don\u2019t think you\u2019re gonna be faced with a lot of things I\u2019m portraying here, \u2018cause I think there is<\/em> a crisis coming that\u2019s going to uh, make it easy<\/em> for you, because there\u2019ll be a cataclysm. But you shouldn\u2019t have to have<\/em> that. You should face every<\/em> alternative. If I was so sure, well, I\u2019m going to the cave, and that\u2019s the way it\u2019s going to be. You should have to face\u2013 Well, maybe it\u2019ll be a concentration camp<\/a>, maybe we\u2019ll have to run to Canada, and then to some other place. Uh\u2013 All those things we should face, all those to be really perfected, we shouldn\u2019t have it all mapped out for us. When you got all your guidelines, what does that\u2013 That don\u2019t take any growth, if you got everything staked out for you. That\u2019s what I used to couldn\u2019t take about that Jesus story. Said he knew he was born<\/em> to die. Why, hell, if I knew I was born to die and gonna raise in three days, I\u2019d just say, Come on, get it over with! Easy. That always\u2013 That always bugged me about that story. He knew he was God, and he knew he was gone\u2013 gonna die and be resurrected. (Mark 8;31-32, 9:31, 10:33-34.)<\/span> Well, that don\u2019t take any effort. If you know you\u2019re going to get resurrected, that don\u2019t take any pains, does it? I like to use the bad grammar, some of you folk, to\u2013 That\u2019s hard on your image of God. Yes, born with a silver spoon in the mouth. I don\u2019t know. Jesus wasn\u2019t born with no silver spoon in his mouth. History made him that way. He was a first class revolutionary. He wasn\u2019t as evolved as we are today, but in his day, he didn\u2019t know which alternative was going to happen. He just lived the best he knew how for what he believed. And when he died, he died. That\u2019s the mystery. Somebody else took the spirit on. But it wasn\u2019t like you been told. He didn\u2019t know when he got on no cross that he was going to come off a cross. That\u2019s why I respect Jesus more than these Christians do. I<\/em> couldn\u2019t respect anybody that knew that they were going to a cross, and uh, gonna be raised in three days. That\u2019s no trouble. Why, it wouldn\u2019t be no effort for any of you, could\u2013 would\u2013 would it be for any of you? If you knew I was\u2013 I\u2019m gonna die and on Friday, I\u2019m gonna\u2013 they\u2019re gonna nail me to the tree, but on Sunday, I\u2019m gonna raise up and fly away. Why, you\u2019d say, that\u2019s good, let\u2019s get on with it, get on with the show. Silly business. Silly business. Used to say to me, Father didn\u2019t have any blood in his veins. He can\u2019t\u2013 he\u2013 he doesn\u2019t feel pain. And I thought, well, if he don\u2019t feel pain, then he\u2019s no\u2013 no effort for\u2013 uh, no effort for him to be here. He said\u2013 I said, You got blood in your veins, haven\u2019t you? And he said, Yes, I got blood in my veins. But you<\/em> know the argument used to be in the movement. They didn\u2019t\u2013 Uh, some of them didn\u2019t believe he had blood<\/em> in his veins, didn\u2019t believe he could die, didn\u2019t believe he could suffer, didn\u2019t believe he could have a disease, or anything else. Silly stuff. He suffered just like anybody else.<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 6:<\/strong> Unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> He had diabetes, badly. I\u2013 Hm?<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 6:<\/strong> Unintelligible about Father Divine being rushed to a hospital<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Mhm [yes]. I knew, \u2018cause I gave him a message once. Oh, many years ago, about\u2013 in May, before he was going into a coma, he was going into a coma in May. And I\u2019d sent it, and they said\u2013 said, Don\u2019t\u2013 Don\u2019t want your messages, don\u2019t want your negation. I said, I\u2019m not trying to give you any negation, I\u2019m trying to help Father. And they didn\u2019t appreciate that. Well, he went into a coma. Several days. \u2018Cause they thought he couldn\u2019t suffer. He\u2013 Oh my, I wish we coulda united in Harlem, the movement wouldn\u2019t be in a mess that it would\u2019ve been. If I\u2019da come along then, things\u2019d been better, but such wasn\u2019t the case. And here we are, and there\u2019s nothing left out there, we gotta do the job. It\u2019s on our shoulders now. Peace Mission\u2019s here. Best of you folk are out of it, and that\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s a sad thing to have to look out here and say, only about a dozen of you made it. Isn\u2019t that sad? Only about a dozen of you made it. There\u2019s some good folk over there, but they haven\u2019t got enough strength to study a matter. As Purity was saying today, she stood alone in meetings defending me. Here a man that come with 200 children and kept them all sweet and calm. Surely someone oughtta been able to say a good word for that? And I understand you, Purity, to say, that you\u2019d\u2013 you\u2019d stand up and there were nobody else to stand up with you? Hmm?<\/p>\n

Purity:<\/strong> Unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Nobody else\u2019d stand. \u2018Cause everybody afraid. Well, I\u2019m glad that you folk are here, every one of you that are here, you weren\u2019t afraid. (Pause) I\u2019m glad.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Sustained applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Okay, anybody has a last parting word, we\u2019ll say so, but otherwise uh, we shall conclude. Over here, yes, (unintelligible name)?<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 7:<\/strong> I wanted to say something about the CIA. Uh, this is the most, uh\u2013 these are the most rudest people that you could even come in contact with. And really, what they are, they\u2019re nothing but suckers. Uh, they\u2019ll do anything. Normally they\u2019re young people. (Off mic) Huh? (Pause) (Returns to mic) Normally they are young people, young men, and, uh, if they come in\u2013 men with a Bible in their hand, and a smile on their face, and praising the Lord. We had this happen in Seattle, the two that come in up there. I had worked for about a year and a half with these men right across the street in front of my office, to where I could watch their comings and goings each and every day. They\u2019d come in the building, and each one of them had a Bible in their hand. I stood there and I watched them take their seat, and then I notified the other people that these people had entered the building. Now, don\u2019t ever get it in your mind that the CIA is all white. You\u2019ve got many, many blacks in the CIA, and I can\u2019t understand, to save me, why they would wanna do such job. And they do some rude things to people. During the time that I was in the Army, as a PFC [Private First Class], I stood up and had to defy a major, because he made the statement that we could go into Korea or Vietnam, and kill women and babies at our own discretion. No mercy whatsoever. Do as we so choose. Just to win that war. It was pitiful.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [Isn\u2019t] That something? (Pause) Well, the temptation, when you\u2019re faced with such odds, is to pray. But praying won\u2019t do any good, baby. Working\u2019s the only thing that\u2019ll do any good.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Mhm [Yes]. The temptation to pray is strong. The old tendency to revert to religion will be there. Everybody likes a scapegoat, like somebody to lean on. But there nobody to lean on, honey, but us\u2019s<\/em>. Just look at history. God\u2019s chosen people, the Jews, nearly all of them were murdered in Germany. They\u2019re supposed to be God\u2019s chosen people. Now we don\u2019t have to review what\u2019s happened to the best of our blacks and Indians. The best of our whites, for that matter. Thomas Paine, who told the truth about the Bible, laid seven years in a jail without a trial. Now they mem\u2013 They memorialise him as a great hero. But he wasn\u2019t no hero then. (Pause) And we\u2019re not going to be any hero, and I don\u2019t give a damn about being a hero anymore, I\u2019d just like to have peace, wouldn\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Just have peace. And we\u2019ll get that peace, if we work together. That\u2019s why I\u2019m a safe leader. I don\u2019t have any ego in me. I\u2019m the only person I know anywhere yet that I\u2019ve been, in experience, that doesn\u2019t have any ego in them. I don\u2019t need anything but to see a world free of want, poverty, war, and injustice, capitalist exploitation. I don\u2019t need anything but that. And that\u2019s why I\u2019m safe. And if I didn\u2019t have that ability, I wouldn\u2019t be safe. My healings don\u2019t make me the person that I am. It\u2019s that ability to be what is needed. No matter what I think I\u2019m talented<\/em> for \u2013 know<\/em> what I\u2019m talented to do \u2013 I\u2019ve got\u2013 I\u2019ve got some talents that you\u2019ve never seen. [I] Know I\u2019ve got certain talents, but they\u2019re not called for, so I do what I can do. And that\u2019s what makes me a safe leader. But you become like me, then\u2019s when they\u2019re gonna have trouble. If we all get the strengths of each other. If you get my strength, and we get each other\u2019s strengths, and we all become like each other, then we become a Gideon\u2019s army (Judges 6-7)<\/span> that nobody can counteract. But there\u2019s just one leader, they can get rid of that leader, throw the people into confusion. But if everybody stands tall in the same principles and stamina, and develops the same inner resources, the same ability to take pain\u2013 That\u2019s why I can never understand anybody worrying about pain. I\u2019ve got the power to use right now, if I were willing to neglect socialism, to stop the pain, as I showed the ladies this afternoon, I could stop the pain in that arm right this minute. No pain. But if I concentrate a second or two, I\u2019m afraid, \u2018cause I gotta put all my mind on that, to stop that pain. If I\u2019m putting all my mind on that, it\u2019s not someplace else where it\u2019s needed, so I can\u2019t put it on me. That\u2019s why I don\u2019t understand you people asking for pain, \u2018cause I\u2019ve got more pain than you know. You don\u2019t know<\/em> the pain I feel all the time. It\u2019s a horrible<\/em> pain. It\u2019s a pain that, uh, I only can describe it, I\u2013 it uh\u2013 near nausea. I take\u2013 I take a lot of uh, uh, diet Seven-Up just to keep my stomach calm, because there\u2019s so much pain and it\u2019s near nausea. But no one last night woulda been healed if I hadn\u2019t taken it into the body. That\u2019s the key. Just getting around people and their problems, I get it. And the minute I get away from people and their problems, it\u2019s gone. But unfortunately there\u2019s no way to get away from people and their problems and do what\u2019s right, so I\u2019m gonna stay where I\u2019m at. Anybody has any thought\u2013 uh, last thought? All right. (Pause) Mhm [yes]. You take care of that. What is it? What is it?<\/p>\n

Unidentified male congregant 8:<\/strong> unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Fine, what\u2013 what kind of letters do you\u2013 you wanted me to get\u2013 keep all the people here to give them\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Senior citizens may leave when she gets ready to do this. Let\u2019s uh\u2013 let\u2019s sing a little song before we go, and then the senior citizens may leave. But please stay, there\u2019s some vital letters to our security that the rest of you need to write. But she uh\u2013 I\u2019d like for those that are older to be able to go home and rest. But the rest of you stay. If you consider yourself young, stay, you\u2013 you can be useful too.<\/p>\n

Jones begins singing \u201cLe Internationale,\u201d congregation joins in<\/strong>: Arise, ye prisoners of starvation\/ Arise, ye wretched of the Earth\/ For justice thunders condemnation \/ A better world\u2019s in birth \/ Arise, ye prisoners of starvation \/ Arise ye wretched of the Earth \/ For justice thunders condemnation\/ A better world\u2019s in birth.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Once again, learn that verse.<\/p>\n

Jones and<\/strong> Congregation:<\/strong> Arise, ye prisoners of starvation \/ Arise, ye wretched of the Earth \/ For justice thunders condemnation \/ A better world\u2019s in birth\u2013<\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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