{"id":118318,"date":"2022-10-27T14:30:06","date_gmt":"2022-10-27T21:30:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=118318"},"modified":"2026-03-03T14:42:37","modified_gmt":"2026-03-03T22:42:37","slug":"q948-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=118318","title":{"rendered":"Q948 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

(Editor\u2019s note<\/strong>: This tape was transcribed by Connor Ashley Clayton. The editors gratefully acknowledge his invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> (starts in mid-sentence) \u2013that they must take pride in their performances, but must be careful of aggression and arrogance that has developed in other Third World liberated\u2013 (tape distorts, slows)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t (unintelligible) used to follow that path (unintelligible). My enemies are those who tell me to love people like you. Those are my enemies, pretending to love those who will sell out their brothers and sisters, who can grow up socialists (unintelligible). My family hate. Love will get you sucked<\/em> in. Sucked in how many people I\u2019ve loved, back there, that\u2019ve stabbed me in the back, and I don\u2019t give a fuck<\/em> what they\u2019ve done to me, but how many of them I\u2019ve left\u2013 I loved them. (Pained) I talked more to Mike Cartmell than I talked to my own kids that come out of my wife\u2019s womb.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Muffled response<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Woo! Tired of (unintelligible), he told his mother, I don\u2019t give a fuck what (unintelligible)\u2013 what does he say? It broke my heart, God. The one statement\u2013 excuse\u2013I\u2019d follow mother to ask you, but I think you can feel strong enough to say it, and I\u2019m (unintelligible). I believed him. I\u2019ll say it for you. You\u2019ll go on ahead and say it. I really blame the black people here. He said, I\u2019m American<\/em>, I like hotdogs. I loved him. (Cries out) I knew some of \u2018em! Maybe there\u2019s a little hurt down here someplace, a broken heart somewhere, but not very much! (Voice returns to normal) His daughters and his sisters come up to him today and told me some of the things he\u2019d gone through as a child. How he\u2019d threatened her, God, did he put her through some things. Some terrible things, she said, I could kill him. (Quietly) (Unintelligible) She meant that. She meant that she\u2019d kill him. Goddamn it, I\u2019m getting close. I\u2019m getting close. It\u2019s strange to be the motherfucker. (Unintelligible) Hate\u2013 There is a good song, I love that song, we can just change that. Capitalism is my enemy. You know, it doesn\u2019t take much change and make that song sound good. But don\u2019t never say hate<\/em> is your enemy. Love<\/em> has practically caused me to get\u2013 get you destroyed. If I had hated<\/em> a little more\u2013 just a little more\u2013 we woulda had a little less trouble. \u2018Cause I look at my faults analytically. Sure, you gotta love, (suddenly) principle. But don\u2019t say, hate is my enemy. What do they say, what\u2019s that word? Hate<\/em>is my enemy. I\u2019ve got to fight it day and night. And what else do they say, that other line? Love\u2019s the only weapon? (Cries out) Shit! Bullshit! Martin Luther King died with love! [Robert F. \u201cBobby\u201d] Kennedy died talking about something he couldn\u2019t even understand, some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up, he was shot down! Bullshit! Love is the only weapon with which I\u2019ve got to fight. I\u2019ve got a hell of a lot of weapons to fight! I\u2019ve got my claws, I\u2019ve got cutlasses, I\u2019ve got guns, I\u2019ve got dynamite! I\u2019ve got a hell of a lot to fight! I\u2019ll fight! I\u2019ll fight! (Cries out, ululating, crowd ululates in response) I will fight! I will fight! I will fight! I will fight!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Mass ululation, cheering in a war cry<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Let them hear it in the night!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Continued war cry<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oooh! (Cries out, ululating) Ah, yes, we\u2019ll fight! (Pause) Let the night roar with it! They\u2019re out there, they\u2019re out there! They\u2019re listening! Let the night roar with this! (Shouts, ululating) (Pause) Let the night roar, because they can hear us! They know we mean it! We\u2019ll kill them if they come!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Continues shouting in war cry<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Ohh. (Quietens) That\u2019s good. Thank you. That sounded like an army<\/em>. You roared all of a sudden, and (makes noise). They\u2019re out there, every night, they\u2019ll fuck with our PA system, keep awake. So I have to know whether it\u2019s an emergency or not. Women, men \u2013 and by God \u2013 one time, few weeks ago, they thought we loved<\/em>. They come in<\/em>here. And I\u2019m not saying they might not try it again<\/em>, but we\u2019d still have a hell of a weapon. It\u2019s a six-week (unintelligible word). And nobody walked in here since.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Muffled affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Well, if we got six weeks of peace, some of you don\u2019t know, we didn\u2019t get any (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls of affirmation.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now I guess we got every other week (unintelligible word) a while. We have no peace! And I don\u2019t want nobody to get those sons of bitches back there. \u2018Cause I know I\u2019m gonna go on the front lines. They\u2019ll get me first. \u2018Cause that would be only the proper<\/em> thing to do. Captain leads the battle. But some of you could make it through the line. If it ever comes to war. (unintelligible) promise that there wouldn\u2019t be no war. You got nerve asking for no war, over the dead bodies of Steve Biko and eight of his relatives rotting in jail. You got a lot of gall to ask when Martin is dead, and Malcolm [X] is dead and their little children had to grow up without papas and mamas, and tens of thousands of blacks die lonely, unknown.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Affirming calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We went through under the Waldorf-Astoria, underneath down into the lower sub of the trenches, where the pipelines go and they find several dozens dead every week there.[1]<\/sup><\/a> (Unintelligible shout)! No food. Nobody to give a shit. Trying to get out of the cold. Six lower levels underneath the streets. The rats as big as a goddamn cat. I read the article, and I didn\u2019t read it in no socialist paper, I read it in a New York paper. Showed some pictures of them of what they found there eating \u2013 photographers took \u2013 all they wanted was a story, they took pictures and they made the story. Looked like concentration camps of black and white. Down in (unintelligible) dungeons. Most of them sickly, in every big city, because it\u2019s so goddamn cold. People of all races are having to go down, young and old. Some sixteen- and seventeen-year-old kids. White, black, all down there trying to find some kind of food, if they can. And they got more socialism down there than you have up in the streets, because if someone got to eat dog food or whatever the hell they pick up out of a garbage can, they\u2019d all share it around and eat together. No, how much they fucked us over with that love shit. And don\u2019t you ever fall for that again. Watch. Look. Observe. Be fair. Be just. Be loving<\/em>. When you see principle, be loving. But don\u2019t ever say hate\u2019s your enemy. \u2018Cause hate\u2019ll<\/em> keep you on the line. Hate\u2019ll keep you marching through when the fuckers are coming after ya, when love\u2019ll cause you to fall over like a marshmallow<\/em>. I mean that false kinda bullshit love (makes mocking noise) \u2013 fall onto the (unintelligible). (Voice rises sharply, shouting) Hate\u2019ll drive you on!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019ll think of what they did to Steve Biko and you\u2019ll think of what they did to Martin and you think of what they\u2019ve done to the thou\u2013 ten thousand\u2013 million<\/em> Jews and blacks. (Shouts) You hate! You think of the concentration camps, and now the fuckers are back again, they are back again, they\u2019re taking over America again, and you\u2019ll hate! And little \u2013 (unintelligible) lamb, little (unintelligible) lamb, until you (unintelligible) murder the sons of bitches.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause, cheers, shouts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019ve said enough. (Pause) So change that little lyric, and that\u2019ll be all right. Socialism <\/em>is the only weapon with which I\u2019ve got to fight. (Shouts) Capitalism<\/em> is my enemy! And I hate it with all my might! Socialism<\/em> is that spirit with which I\u2019ve got to fight. Whatever, you know how to do it. You musicians, and you l\u2013 lyricists, you. You\u2019ll be able to put it (unintelligible).<\/strong> I don\u2019t want to hear any more bullshit about pastor (unintelligible). He made do that as a pastor<\/em>, because the ends justify the means. But we will not\u2013 (tape edit) Martin Luther King is not<\/em> one of our honoured heroes in the first place, because he never breathed<\/em> socialism, he kept it in the closet, and he still<\/em> died. So hell, I\u2019ve made it to 46, and I been preaching communism since I was 18, goddamn it. There\u2019s a better track record for you to be true! Sure, I\u2019ve suffered like hell, I went through all these witchhunts and assassination attempts and the\u2013 so many goddamn campaigns, I can\u2019t forget, I can\u2019t remember. Don\u2019t want to. But Luther King is dead<\/em>. Apologist, Christian sell-out is dead!<\/em><\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Muffled response of agreement<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And we\u2019re still alive. He (unintelligible)was dead. You\u2019re so right. King was a liar. You\u2019re never gonna get no southern plantation owner\u2019s son to sit down with no nigger! He\u2019s against it. It\u2019s a caste system. You gotta get rid of the plantation owners!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers, applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Some bullshit about love. Can be no love between people who have differences in property<\/em>, \u2018cause the moment there is differences in property, the fucker that\u2019s got more<\/em> will think he\u2019s better than the other son of a bitch.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Muffled response of agreement<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019re never gonna see Rockefeller\u2019s son sit down with one of us.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s not\u2013 may not<\/em> be true, necessarily. \u2018Cause the revolution\u2019s on my side, and we may surround him sometime and interrogate<\/em> him. One of our black sisters told me of a most complicated kidnapping s\u2013 system I ever heard tell of to get our people, and she\u2019s 71 or 72. But we got some thinkers in here. I\u2019d like to get\u2013 I\u2019d like to get that criminal [Joseph] Mazor, I\u2019d like to get that fucker and pick his brain. That Interpol\u2013 Say well, we only want to get [Tim] Stoen. Oh shit, no, I wanna get\u2013 that\u2019s vengeance. You can\u2019t let hate become blinding. (unintelligible) Sure, I wanna get Stoen \u2013 (Voice rises) he put me through hell<\/em>! You take care of that. You take care of that. I can\u2019t be run by vengeance. He put me through a nightmare<\/em>, I had to vomit on his back, (exclaiming) he put me through hell<\/em>! (Shouting) I\u2019ve got a baby [John Victor Stoen] that I love that I\u2019ve got to worry about ruining all my life, and I don\u2019t have a legal paper, he put me through hell<\/em>! (Calmer) But I can\u2019t go after him. (Shouting) He’s<\/em> not the one I want to get. I want to get the son of a bitch that can lead me to the l\u2013 the conspiracy and find out the fucker that\u2019s done it all and I (unintelligible, sounds like \u201cwanna slit him apart\u201d).<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Cheers, applause, ululation, war cry)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I hope you understand what I\u2019m saying.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yeah!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I have no right to personal vendetta. [If] I went on a personal vendetta, I\u2019da gone after Tim, because he\u2013 (tape edit)\u2013 to do what I had to do. It\u2019s all right, loves. I came here to do what I had to do with Grace [Stoen] to save us from being lied on. Tim from being embarrassed. He let me do it. He projected it. He played it very clear that that\u2019s what I was expected<\/em> to do. Prick. You see, that\u2019s personal. I\u2019ve got to think in a revolutionary<\/em> sense. And I wanna find out the son of a bitch that no doubt has done this to other movements. And if you\u2019ve got any s\u2013 you know, ideas. People telling me how to get this or that or another, that\u2019s good, that\u2019s good, that\u2019s good. But there\u2019s money<\/em>, pouring out, like\u2013 like piss<\/em> out of the Jolly Green Giant. Money\u2019s coming from somewhere<\/em>, into these pockets to bring in all of us and all these Aunt Janes and Uncle Toms. Sure<\/em>, I\u2019d like to get \u2018em! They ain\u2019t worth shit! I\u2019d sellchicken<\/em> shit to get them. Chicken shit! I wanna find out who\u2019s paying \u2018em!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Muffled response<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Then we\u2019ll get them. There\u2019s always<\/em> gonna be somebody left! There\u2019ll be some old<\/em> soul that\u2019ll look like he\u2019s dead, laying there in the\u2013 in the pile of brush, or laying down with his cutlass or out there in the windrow,<\/strong> he\u2019ll look like he\u2019s dead but he\u2019ll get up and he\u2019ll find his way back to America to take care of them!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers, applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You understand what I mean.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Continued applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I wanna find out, and I want to hear it from the camaraderie of this great Communist collective, I want<\/em> to hear it, on ideas how we wanna (unintelligible word) the enemy. They\u2019re going through telephones, but there\u2019s other ways. Telephone\u2019s a long, long way. (unintelligible)\u2013 I\u2019ve got people working night and day, trying to walk the streets. I got so much guilt about them walking the streets, \u2018cause we won\u2019t save money. We throw stethoscopes out on the\u2013 on the lawn and let \u2018em rot.<\/strong> We let our cutlasses rust. We got people that try their damnedest to get outta work no matter what<\/em> you do. You can\u2019t get \u2018em into work. (Unintelligible, stumbles over words) (speaks rapidly) And I\u2019d be glad to hear some people tell me, woah, Dad, (unintelligible) you inspired me. And we\u2019re gonna live here (unintelligible, speaks rapidly) we\u2019re gonna have to find ways of making a means of living, so our people don\u2019t have to walk down the streets and be threatened to kill, and have hate looks and stares, and I mean actual threats. Didn\u2019t make any difference how old they were. Didn\u2019t make any difference they were black or white. (Pointedly) Socialist. Black and white, mixed. Some of them wouldn\u2019t even get up\u2013 go after us because we were socialist. Just the fact that we were mixed. \u201cJew Lover, Jew Lover!\u201d <\/em>In America, \u201cJew Lover!\u201d<\/em> All we wanted was into a cause. We stepped on a hornet\u2019s nest. Them fucking goddamn Nazis, they murdered, probably, the big\u2013 murderers themselves, they hate me are right in the States. <\/strong>And I bet you we can find it and we got a narrow path that leads us to [Valerian] Trifa, the head of an orthodox church that killed, that\u2013 that participated, that directed\u2013 not directed, he was a part of a conspiracy that ordered eight hundred thousand<\/em> Jews and blacks, brown, minorities murdered<\/em> in Romania. And personally<\/em> killed how many of them I don\u2019t know. God damn (unintelligible). Personally<\/em> cut up the bodies\u2013 and I don\u2019t want you to forget that shit! And don\u2019t you go no pacifist shit! Bullshit. Here he\u2019s sitting in East Lansing, Michigan, and now, we sit in our line, and we find out from the\u2013 of the attorney of the Berrigans [Daniel and Philip Berrigan] \u00a0<\/strong>and the attorney of the\u2013 that opened the CIA file\u2013 and the attorney that worked with [Daniel] Ellsberg\u2013 Sheehan [Brown]\u2013 that we\u2019re an East Lansing <\/em>group after us\u2013 a so-called Christian, uh, group that have us in their file. And in a new legal force \u2013 a new whole law<\/em> enforcement \u2013 L.E.I.A. I never heard tell of it before, that has all<\/em>things happening in this part of the world in its files, and calls and tells people how to (pointedly) smash, <\/em>and\u2013 (calm) Not, not, not, not kill. Smash. Squash. Everybody that\u2019s involved in liberation efforts here).<\/strong> And East Lansing just happens<\/em> to be the home of Archbishop Trifa, who we took after, the only paper that would write a goddamn word on him. Um-hmm [Yes]. You remember. Some of you remember, I wrote in there about this Nazi head of the church, sitting in that fifty-room mansion, or 58 room or 38 room or whatever on some several\u2013 hundred acres, up there in East Lansing, (shouts) sitting there on his ass,<\/em> (calmer) and he\u2019s cut up little babies. They coulda been our<\/em>babies! He cut \u2018em up like he cut a calf, and hung \u2018em up, and stamped on their butts, kosher meat. And he\u2019s sitting in the United States. And you wanna go back there, fucker. How d\u2019you feel about going back there? You won\u2019t be far away from here, you\u2019ll just be across the way from me. (Pause) I\u2019d like to hear what you got to say to me. (Unintelligible short sentence)<\/p>\n

Tom Partak:<\/strong> (Timidly) Uh, I don\u2019t know, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You don\u2019t know? You fuckers never know\u2013 Why did you kill the Jews? (Cries out) I don\u2019t know! Why didn\u2019t you raise your voice when they took the children away? I don\u2019t know! That\u2019s always your goddamn answer \u2013 I don\u2019t know \u2013 and I hate you fuckers!<\/em><\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Scattered, delayed applause, shouts, affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Shouting) Find out, fucker. Find out why you can go back to where Murder Incorporated is. Where\u2019s Nazis live and walk scot-free up and down the shores, while millionaires walk \u2013 (stumbles over words, unintelligible name) \u2013 walkin\u2019 up and down, paid his way, to the president of the United States \u2013 two million dollars \u2013 he murdered a million Jews. (Short pause) And others. Some of your<\/em> background, Partak. Slovaks<\/em>. They murdered people like you. You wanna go back there, don\u2019t ya? You\u2019re not crazy. You\u2019re self-centred, and you know it. That\u2019s your problem. You\u2019ve leaned on mama all your life. How many times you called on mama when you couldn\u2019t face up to life? You oughta hate<\/em> the bitch. She\u2019s made you weaker than shit. She brought you into the Earth, and then got you out every time you were in a dilemma, didn\u2019t<\/em> she. Every time you were in a problem, you could always go to mama<\/em>. (Pause) Sure, several occasions. And now you don\u2019t know. Whatcha gonna do when mama dies? (Pause) What\u2019s the plan, to go back and live with mama? Never leave the old hometown anymore, stay in America all your life. Isn\u2019t that right?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Uh, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, don\u2019t lie to me. (Stumbles over words) I\u2013 I didn\u2019t read your goddamn letter, but I know. I know what your plans are.<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> (Quietly) I\u2019ve thought about leaving the United States, by myself, I just, you know\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What\u2019s that you talkin\u2019 about?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> I\u2019ve thought about leaving the United States\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Shouts) You\u2019re out <\/em>of the United States now, son.<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Uh, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Where you gonna go? Third Reich? They just pulled all the Nazi\u2019s over there, and they got more security (stumbles over words) that killer of all the European Jews, the Italian Jews, all the blacks, and all the minorities. He killed so many goddamn people I don\u2019t know \u2013 it\u2019s four or five million people \u2013 they got him surrounded. He\u2019s got more security than anybody in the whole German government. What\u2019s his name? Prick. Huh? [Herbert] Kappler? (Short laugh) They stole him out of an Italian h\u2013 hospital, out of a hospital, because he got into hospital, and they stole him out. Yeah,\u2013and they, yeah\u2013 he\u2013 he was very sick old son of a bitch, though still alive. Then they announced five months, six months, seven months, he wasn\u2019t dying very much. He paid his way in that goddamn hospital\u2013 had cancer about as much as the cancer I\u2019ve got on my butt<\/em>. Only chance I got is some I\u2019m looking at. Yes, the streets, they\u2013 we\u2013 they\u2013 they threw flowers at his feet. And he murdered millions. And all them fuckers in the United States. Fifty. (Pause) Why doesn\u2019t it bother you, to want to go back there? I\u2019d rather d\u2013 I\u2019d rather die in a swamp<\/em>than go back to that mess. It\u2019s responsible for every murder, it set up [Adolf] Hitler in the first place. US set up Hitler to kill the Soviet revolution. Hitler was a product<\/em> of American monopoly capitalism. Ruling elitists. They haven\u2019t got to the monopoly stage now. They\u2019re not at the monopoly stage very well, these days having trouble with the Japanese convincing them they ought to join together. The Japanese and them are in a trade<\/em> war, and I hope to fuck they cut each other\u2019s throats. Oh well, I\u2019m sure we\u2019d be able to hold out long enough for it to happen, then we\u2019ll have\u2013 life will be rosy<\/em> for us, so we\u2019ll send\u2013 we\u2019ll bring liberation from here to top of the Caribbean all the way to the fuckin\u2019 Andes\u2019 end. Or we could reach clear to Argentina, we\u2019ll organise people all up and down (stumbles) shit. Let the bomb drop, just get my folks here and let the bomb drop. Uh, they\u2019re in a hell of a mess, and\u2013 turmoil and economic (unintelligible) \u2013 hope, just that one hope, you ever hoped for anything, just hope for the bomb to drop. (Pause) (unintelligible)\u2013 the place to organise folks anywhere in the world, I damn well believe in this part of it\u2013 I mean this whole continent. We\u2019d have a hell of a ball game. (Pause) You bet your ass we would. What\u2019d I ask you, I don\u2019t even wanna\u2013 what\u2019s your name? What is your name? (Sharply) Partak. \u2018Cause I\u2019m getting pissed<\/em> at people like you.<\/p>\n

Partak<\/strong>: (quiet) I\u2019d go out like that\u2013 (unintelligible word) to Can\u2013 Canada or somewhere<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019re going to Canada? Why, don\u2019t you see (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 I just\u2013 I was just sayin\u2019 I could\u2013 (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Interrupting)\u2013 Naw, you\u2019re more than anarchy. (pause) What\u2019s in Canada? White folks! Ain\u2019t none of us niggers.<\/a><\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019re nervous<\/em>, aren\u2019t you, man. You don\u2019t know, what, we might pile<\/em> on you tonight.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers, applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh-uh [No], I got bigger fish to fry than you, you don\u2019t give me no danger. I wouldn\u2019t waste my time on you, you\u2013 you\u2019re piddling (unintelligible word). (Pause) You oughta be glad they ain\u2019t all here though. (unintelligible name) would whoop your ass. Tonight. Tomorrow night, something\u2019s gonna be fucking over you\u2013 You\u2019ll get your day. We won\u2019t do it. I won\u2019t do it. (Pause) You think you\u2019re gonna get on a plane, and go bye-bye? Think you\u2019re gon\u2019 get a ticket and go bye-bye? You think you\u2019re gon\u2019 get there? You think I\u2019m gon\u2019 stop you? Nooo. Every single one of these people that\u2019s starting shit, boom<\/em>, they go down, one woman goes blind on Friday, she\u2019s\u2013 Ain\u2019t nothing happened to me yet\u2013 oh!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs, affirmation, limited shouts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible). There liable to be a monkey get loose in the airplane and strangle you to death. (Long pause) Probably slippin\u2019 on the ice when you land in New York. You don\u2019t know my power, do you? You don\u2019tcalculate my power. Ah, I\u2019ll just die, I\u2019ll commit suicide. Honey, there\u2019s slower ways. How\u2019d you like to be some (unintelligible), <\/strong>can\u2019t do nothing but look to move your head, how you gonna commit suicide when you can\u2019t move your body? (unintelligible)\u2013 <\/strong>right now just to cross my path. Yep, lotta folk crossed my path. Ho\u2013 how you gonna commit suicide when you can\u2019t do nothing but move your head?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> It\u2019d be pretty hard.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Be hard, wouldn\u2019t it? Couldn\u2019t drag your body. You can\u2019t drink that much air. (Pause) I see old Rev [James Edwards] back there (Unintelligible) he\u2019d learn how to hate, too. You fuckers taught us, I\u2019m glad you taught us some revolutionary hate<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Limited affirmation, shouts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Taught us revolutionary suicide. Not revolutionary meanness, we don\u2019t wanna be mean to you. But we want to find out, so we\u2019re gonna dissect you before you go. I don\u2019t mean with razors, we wanna know what makes you tick<\/em>. Fully. We wanna get our final exposure to you and see what the hell is in you. (Long pause) (In background) Yes, thank you, sister. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> I don\u2019t have\u2013 I don\u2019t have\u2013 (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Muffled displeased shouts.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What are you gonna do when they come up to you and say\u2013 what are you gonna do when they come up to you, and put their hand around you, and say, (Unintelligible word), Partak. We\u2019re gonna send you up the river for conspiracy. These people have conspired to uh\u2013 to commit revolution and conspired to start a revolution on two continents, they did this and they\u2019ve done that and they can say anything they conspired to bring (Unintelligible word) things across from\u2013 through customs. You\u2019re one of \u2018em. We\u2019re gonna\u2013 we\u2019re gonna sentence you, we\u2019re gonna\u2013 we gonna indict you and arrest you right now and put you on trial. I don\u2019t know (Unintelligible) or terror, or (Unintelligible word), they wouldn\u2019t give you\u2013 they wouldn\u2019t give you\u2013 the biggest would be conspiracy to revolution. They wouldn\u2019t give you that kind of dignity, \u2018cause they don\u2019t want to dignify us, \u2018cause shit,<\/em> if they admitted what we really were, they\u2019re afraid that they might turn on some others, a handful of others in every city, then they\u2019ll probably put you on some\u2013 who knows what\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit. Newscast from older tape)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2013controls in front of him, causing the plane to climb suddenly. With one engine already out, (Unintelligible name) said the other one stalled, the plane went into a spin and ditched into the sea. Just about the time that he was able to get the engine restarted, the pilot related how he tried to calm the passengers as the plane hit the water and began to sink. But he said that, in my frantic attempts to open the plane\u2019s only door, they pulled the lever in the wrong direction and locked the door instead.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit. Return to community meeting.)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>\u2013yes, narrowly, you can on their little paltry budget. If you take a longer trip, (unintelligible) you planned to do, they may have a little opium on you? What do you want to say when they come up to you and they say, now, either you uh, tell<\/em> us, things and get up, and give us some smear stories or testify<\/em> against Peoples Temple, and lie<\/em> on Peoples Temple, or we\u2019re gonna put you in jail. What would you do, (slow and emphatic) motherfucker.<\/em> Now make me believe you\u2019re a liar.<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Sorry, Dad\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Interrupts, first word unintelligible) \u2013 to stand here, and endure what we good folks, and eat good roast pork,[2]<\/sup><\/a> and have somebody to take care of you, and somebody to save you. You\u2019re so out of it. Somebody has to save<\/em> you. What<\/em> are you gonna do when they say, talk<\/em>, Partak? About Peoples Temple. Get up and say lies. Stoen cried, I\u2019ll never do it. He\u2019s a willing agent now. Same (unintelligible word) Stoen. Somebody said they were worried about him coming here, starting a law practice. That\u2019s the one reason he got caught: he didn\u2019t like being around black folk. He\u2019ll never come back here and start a law practice, I can tell you with all<\/em> that\u2019s within me, he\u2019ll never come back here. He\u2019ll come in here, maybe tryin\u2019 to get something done, but he did <\/em>not like living in a black country. I saw it during that first week. He wouldn\u2019t like it. He was too good.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/strong>: Voices too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shit. You don\u2019t have to get to his mother. (Pause) He pass, I thank you, (unintelligible name)<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 1<\/strong>: (in background): Partak, you have been a part of us\u2013 There ain\u2019t nothing you can tell those people, that\u2019s gone make them believe that you not.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs approval<\/p>\n

Unidentified male 1<\/strong>: \u2018Cause you ain\u2019t got nothi\u2013 you ain\u2019t\u2013 you a little fish to them, and you can\u2019t tell \u2018em shit, when you get there, and worse shape and\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Odell, he\u2019s been\u2013 he went away, and come back from Chicago, all the way to San Francisco and joined us again, after he went away, and come back, and comes over here again<\/em>. What are you gonna tell \u2018em? Why\u2013 why were you here? (takes role of FBI agent) Mr. Partak, I\u2019m a member of the FBI, I wanna know why you were with\u2013 associated with\u2013 that Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple. I wanna know now<\/em>! Talk<\/em>, son. I\u2019m the FBI now. Talk<\/em>! (Pause) I wanna know why you were here. We\u2019re gonna charge you with a violation of the federal narcotics law. They found some traces of medication on you, and we\u2019re gonna charge you with narcotics travelling\u2013 travelling in\u2013 trafficking in narcotics. That\u2019s a\u2013 that\u2019s a pretty stiff sentence, you\u2019ll probably get five years. Unless you wanted to help us out here, you can be a little comfortable and help us out, we can give y\u2013 maybe give you a little deal<\/em>. Maybe give you just a year<\/em>. I\u2019ll probably lie to you, they never did give you uh, free time, but uh, say, we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll just, maybe we can drop the charge, Mr. Partak. What do you have to say about Peoples Temple? Say, if you don\u2019t talk, man, I\u2019m gonna give y\u2013 I\u2019m gonna throw the book at you. I\u2019ll throw the book at you. I\u2019ll (unintelligible) your ass, (unintelligible) rest of your life. And even when you get out of jail \u2013 this is the way they talk \u2013 even when you get out of jail, we\u2019ll be watching you, \u2018till you get back in a gang. I know how they\u2019ll hound him, because I\u2019ve been through it, for 25\u2013 28 years. What\u2019re you gonna do, Partak?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> I can see it\u2019s fucked up (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Unhappy noises, aggressive shouting<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hmm? Um-hmm. Sure. The attorney Sarah [Harriet Sarah Tropp] said you won\u2019t talk tonight, but you will talk the moment they do that. (Pause) You ain\u2019t got nothing to say that\u2019s gone hurt us legally, shit, that\u2019s all been said<\/em>. They comin\u2019 to get us anyway. \u2018Cause (stumbles) the only way they\u2019re gon\u2019 get us is with a, uh, pine box<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Shouts of affirmation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And\u2013 and they won\u2019t even need\u2013 they probably won\u2019t need that many pine boxes, \u2018cause when we get through with them and us, they won\u2019t be able to separate one from the other. Just a big steam<\/em> shovel. Anyway\u2013 But you, you will<\/em> be in the newspapers, just as sure as hell. Everyone who lies told us you would\u2013 they won\u2019t believe anymore.<\/p>\n

Unidentified male:<\/strong> (unintelligible \u2013 in background)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They\u2019re likely to get (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Long pause, soft background voices and ambiance. One male questions and verbally attacks Partak.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Right on. Say that (unintelligible word) again. Hear that (unintelligible word)\u2013 hear her\u2013 hear that Southern black voice talking to you?<\/p>\n

Unidentified woman<\/strong>:\u2013 lie, and I\u2019m sure you didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You did, did you not? Keep it in the bank all that time?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Uhh\u2013 We\u2013 I wasn\u2019t\u2013 (Stumbles over words)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Stumbles over words, mocks Partak) Ahhwawalala.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Mocks Partak for whiffing words)<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Uh, uh, I guess, I was living in a commune and all\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Distinctly female voices heard, accusatory, angry)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> How many times did we keep you up in Redwood Valley, how long we keep your ass? How many months? How long? (Shouts) Come on, man, be fair!<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Uhh, I was at the commune for about a m\u2013 about a, uh, year, and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You think\u2013 You think that\u2019s worth seven hundred bucks? You think that\u2019s worth sixty dollars a month? You ever eat some\u2013 you ever, your size, man, ever eat for sixty bucks a month? Get all his heat, and clothes, and everything, for sixty dollars a month?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Well\u2013 Well it\u2019s uh\u2013 I had\u2013 (Pause) I did have a job while I was living in the commune and in between but I\u2013<\/p>\n

Unidentified male<\/strong>: (unintelligible) eleven hundred dollars or a thousand dollars.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Is there any money in there now? (Pause) I asked him<\/em>. Is there any money in there now?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> No, the last night I left for Guyana, I sent it all over to Debbie Blakey.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Mhm.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Voices call, ask questions<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> How much? It was uh\u2013 How much money? About eight hund\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs<\/p>\n

Partak: <\/strong>\u2013eight\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Interrupting) What else did you have?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Eight hundred dollars approximately.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Eight hundred dollars approximately, I believe it was\u2013 I was\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You think you turned over much? Know how much your airfare was? The cost of all the\u2013 along the line the taxes, and the extra, and the luggage. You didn\u2019t come here\u2013 every human body here, averaged seven hundred bucks. And then you ate all through Georgetown and all the way through here. So you owe us, uh, four thousand seven hundred dollars for the time being.<\/p>\n

Unidentified male<\/strong>: (unintelligible \u2013 in background) \u2013to let you know you\u2019re an asshole.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Giving you eight hundred off, you owe us three thousand nine hundred being charitable. (Pause) (Laughs) So who we\u2019ve got Mazor here to fuck with, and you\u2019re the only one that\u2019s got\u2013 looks anything like him. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Muffled shouting, angry<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And he goes\u2013 he\u2019s going to his mama\u2019s (unintelligible word) friend when he gets out of here. And he\u2019s gonna walk out, and I\u2019m going to have eighteen snakes at each pass. Coiled<\/em>. (Pause) One of my own (unintelligible word), they said jump back.<\/p>\n

Unidentified woman<\/strong>: (unintelligible) yourself. Why? What the hell w\u2013 What do you look like? You may look any different than you! What the fuck\u2019s wrong with you, man? What\u2019s wrong with you? Why you can\u2019t live with us? I\u2019m asking you another damn thing, before you leave your ass out here, pay for your damn board you hear? And uh, and \u2013 pay for your board now, you hear? Now, \u2018cause I (unintelligible), I\u2019ll whip your ass myself.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Muffled affirmation, shouts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Unidentified woman<\/strong>: Goddamn, uh, you a goddamn bonehead if you want to be white and right, and you\u2019re white and wrong, goddamn it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Laughs louder)<\/p>\n

Unidentified male<\/strong>: He laughed.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: (Shouts) Oh, Jesus!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Shocked noises)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, it\u2019s\u2013<\/p>\n

(Pause, voices continue in the background, with one woman speaking to Jones or Partak)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad he didn\u2019t. They don\u2019t deserve any of it. It\u2019s too beautiful.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Aggressive voices, presumably directed at Partak<\/p>\n

Unidentified male<\/strong>: Partak, what you got to say, man?<\/p>\n

Unidentified individual<\/strong>: You stupid punk!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Angrily, shouting) I still want to know, I\u2019m the FBI, I\u2019m Mr. FBI and I wanna know what you\u2019re gonna do. Are you gonna go five years to the pen<\/em>? You\u2019re gonna talk<\/em> on Peoples Temple. You\u2019re gonna tell<\/em> us what you know. You\u2019re gonna be here for a press conference, and I\u2019ll be right back there like you saw, the FBI standing right by their agent, the (unintelligible word) agent, standing right behind all that bunch, Jim Cobb and all of \u2018em, Mickey [Touchette], and then right behind them was an agent. (Unintelligible word) his fucking face \u2018cause he\u2019s been on this fucking floor. We know him. He was setting right there, looking, watching to see that everything went just right. He didn\u2019t say a mumbling word. But he was setting there, while they all got their fucking asses on TV. His name was [David] Conn. If you watched the TV, you saw his fuckin\u2019 face right there, talkin\u2019 bout how he hated whites\u2013 uh, b\u2013 blacks, how he was gonna kill \u2018em all. And all of our fuckin\u2019 black people stand up there, sellin\u2019 out to him, and you tell me Jim Cobb would sell out and stand up there on front of a TV in front of an agent and you wouldn\u2019t? (Pause) What makes me\u2013 supposed to believe more in you than Jim Cobb? He\u2019s supposed to have an education.<\/em> He\u2019s supposed to understand<\/em> just what it is to be black. He went through enough. That agent sure did lead him out to piss, then. They even volunteered it. They all knew they were in the CIA, they all gonna get it. Every one of you, remember, they all gonna get it. Because there\u2019s knew\u2013 they knew<\/em>, you have the weapon of the Interpol, on the twenty-fourth day of February, they met with the Nazis<\/em>.[3]<\/sup><\/a> Jim Cobb, [Wayne] Pietila \u2013 you name \u2018em, who all went out. I\u2019ll tell you whether they were there or not. Danny [Pietila]? Yes. Ruth Kerns, Jeanette [Kerns], (Unintelligible name) too, oh yes. Tha\u2013 uh, everytime. Wayne Pietila, yes.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Voices call out<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, I don\u2019t know. Don\u2019t know. Don\u2019t know about Vera [Biddulph]. Who? No, no, Richard\u2019s been right there. Laura Cornelious was there (trails off, stumbles). What? Birdie Marable was there. Hm? (unintelligible) was there. Who?<\/p>\n

Unidentified male<\/strong>: (Voice too quiet to discern)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Ah, yes, Saul, [Liz] Forman, all of \u2018em were there. All of \u2018em involved in it. I don\u2019t know about John Biddulph, I won\u2019t talk what don\u2019t know. Garry Lambrev, and Liz Forman, yeah. (unintelligible first name) Pettit wasn\u2019t there, they\u2013 they blackmailed him unintelligible first name) Pettit. They said that she will never see her babies again, never have them again, unless she got up in front of the newspaper. That\u2019s what they do, that\u2019s what\u2013 that\u2019s what Mrs. Mertle [Deanna Mertle, aka Jeannie Mills] did. That\u2019s what this fuckin\u2019 Nazi did. Behind them \u2013 Mazor \u2013 took her kids, she don\u2019t have her kids to this day. She shouldna lied for him. They could\u2019a got her out. She listened to him, and she still don\u2019t have her kids. She come crying into the Temple \u2013 what was it, not more than a month ago \u2013 talkin\u2019 about people, saying, I\u2019m sorry, I woulda never done anything to hurt Jim Jones. Yeah, but she did. And they still got her kids and she can\u2019t see \u2018em. They took her kids away. She lied for \u2018em, because of her kids. When it\u2019s \u2018sposed to be you, you gone do it?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think I\u2019d\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You and I know it, (unintelligible word). C<\/strong>onvincing him is what I\u2019m worrying about.<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think I can do anything to you, Father (unintelligible)\u2013 <\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Interrupts angrily) I didn\u2019t ask you that<\/em>, fucker! <\/em><\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Wanna start a merry go round tonight?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> I\u2019m not\u2013 I\u2019m just explaining\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Shouts at Partak<\/p>\n

Female voice:<\/strong> What the fuck did you say?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t ask you about \u2013 about what you can do something for<\/em> this cause. I asked you what you gonna do when the FBI stands in your face.<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> I\u2019m trying, I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019m gonna ask you again, what\u2013 I\u2019m the FBI. All right fella, well, wh\u2013 what you gonna do, fella? You wanna get booked?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Shouting at Partak<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Wanna get a bug on and talk? Wanna talk?<\/p>\n

Unidentified male<\/strong>: Huh? What you gonna say to them tomorrow, huh? Say something![4]<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Tell us how, uh, how you feel about Peoples Temple. Peoples Temple. You like Peoples Temple?<\/p>\n

Unidentified male<\/strong>: Huh?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> (unintelligible, sounds like: \u201cI didn\u2019t catch that real good, but, I been saying w\u2013\u201c)<\/p>\n

Unidentified male<\/strong>: You like Peoples Temple? Do you like Peoples Temple? Do you like Peoples Temple? You like Peoples Temple, Partak? No, listen to me, you like Peoples Temple? Huh?<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> I think there\u2019s a\u2013 (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Unidentified male<\/strong>: You like Peoples Temple? Huh? You like Peoples Temple? Huh, say something! Get up\u2013 stand up!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All right, now\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (mid-sentence) \u2013state your business, they couldn\u2019t get me down here on murder, <\/em>and they\u2019re not\u2013 and they wouldn\u2019t negotiated a treaty right now.<\/p>\n

Partak:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

(Tape segment ends 41:59)<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part II<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible) attempts for the world to kill as many uh, adult mosquitos as possible by the use of insecticides. As far as the control of breeding is concerned, the full cooperation of the public is essential. The mosquito breeds, readily, near to houses, and can be often found breeding in empty tins, coconut shells, as they are widely\u2013 more widely known around the coconut plantations, flower pots, and in collections of water near the house. Old motor car tires are also a common breeding place, and these should not be left in the open to collect water. Our insect control should be taking note of this, though we are not known to have any here, we do have the one mosquito that transmits malaria which we have no need to worry about, if we take the uh, malaria uh, salt, we use salt, which we get in our (unintelligible, sounds like \u201cmeals every day\u201d). Whereas mosquitos in North America, United States, transmit arthritis, uh, encephalitis, which is incurable, and several other diseases\u2013 one, uh, uh, a parasite that lodges in the bone, uh, the\u2013 the autovalve of the heart. The insects (unintelligible) and they transmit diseases that are easily controlled. Thre should be too, the proper disposal or burial of redundant receptacles. These measures are important to other households, but they are also applied to public places such as sports grounds, church grounds, school yards, and other places which are open to the public where uh, receptacles could be dropped and left to harbour mosquitos, like\u2013 such as open cans. Now, if everyone does his or her part, this outbreak of Dengue fever could more readily be brought under full<\/em> control. Above all, it must be remembered that the outbreak could easily spread from district to district if everyone does not cooperate fully<\/em>. Everyone has to have control\u2013 has to try in the control in the breeding of mosquitos.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What has gone wrong in Australia? A decade ago, Australia was considered the new frontier for all the world with glittering opportunities, but now it all seems to\u2019ve turned sour, as a growing mood of pessimism replaces the former national confidence. A tone of despondency permeates society, even though this country of almost limitless mineral resources, and its small fourteen million population of people are now richer than they\u2019ve ever been. After a ten-year absence, the most striking and alarming impact on (unintelligible) is the depth of social conflict gripping the country. Strikes seem to be the new national sport. In Melbourne, Australia\u2019s second largest city, with a population of more than two and a half million, it was recently impossible to know whether electric power would be on or off any time of the day or night, whether you could get to work by public transport, whether you had a job to go to, or whether the schools would be open. The face of the country is changing, but many people don\u2019t like the picture that is emerging.<\/p>\n

It was a marked change from the 1960s when Australia took pride in the fact that for more than twenty years, unemployment and inflation were non-existent. Migrants flocked from other part of the world, to this huge, friendly, populated island continent, from overcrowded Europe, seeking new better lives for themselves in (unintelligible) developing country isolated from most international conflicts, with an easy, comfortable lifestyle that was the envy of much of the world. Nobody seems to know what went wrong. Unemployment continues to shoot upwards towards a record of 500,000, yet the newspapers are full of advertisements seeking both skilled workers of all types which go unanswered. Productivity continues to decline, pushing up costs, which puts jobs in jeopardy, yet strikes for still higher wages continue unabated. Australians have begun to blame the deteriorating situation on what they call \u201cthe English sickness,\u201d said to be imported by British trade union leaders which does not help minority relations. Australia has an \u201call\u2013 white\u201d policy, which meant people are banned, Asian or black background are permitted to integrate.<\/p>\n

Welfare payments. The unions, uhh, pressure the government to increase welfare payments which in turn makes it more profitable to be on the dole, unemployment\u2013 unemployed, that is. Thousands of young people are finding uh, they can manage quite comfortably working at odd jobs without paying taxes, while picking up their weekly seventy-odd dollars from the government. This kind of situation was unthinkable ten years ago. The welfare payments were admittedly small, but there was also a social stigma attached to anyone not doing (unintelligible word) pride. Many of the social ills are attributed by political opponents to the sharp (unintelligible word) of cabinet Labor Party leader, (unintelligible) when government funds were distributed lavishly, and inflation climbed into double figures for the first time in Australia\u2019s history. Labour party\u2013 Labour party leaders and supporters ended 22 years of unbroken right-wing conservative rule until 1973 when the party briefly regained power. But social divisions, present unemployment levels, and what they assert are the growing number of poor and impoverished people in the cities, have (unintelligible) mass-election campaign in the last five years, Labor has mounted a full-scale attack on the ruling right-wing conservative government for cutting back on national, social, educational, and welfare funds (unintelligible word) attack\u2013 attacks on trade unions. The government\u2019s union-bashing tactics, strike-breaking, scab workers, labour claims have widened divisions between the working and middle classes, and dimmed the once deep-felt Australian dream of a society without bitter class distinctions which are now so very present. The present Liberal-Conservative government returned to power two years ago after a big electoral rejection of Labour, seems powerless to improve the situation. Certain (Unintelligible) seem to be living more lavishly than United States citizens in some ways. Two-car families are no longer a rarity, and the number of foreign national cars seen cruising on modern highways point to the spread of a middle-class affluence. One of the common complaints now is that Australians can no longer manufacture anything decent. Once proud to drive locally assembled cars, Australians, like United States citizens, now prefer to pay hefty import taxes for the privilege of owning foreign imports which are better made. Today, the country appears less and less like a British outpost, and more like California in the USA, with huge suburban shopping centres, (unintelligible) strips around the major cities, and homes equipped with dishwashers, washing machines, and colour television, and passive personalities, who stand transfixed before the TV boob tube, when they\u2019re not out drinking or involved in the drug traffic.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Last reading of the news for the night, and then following will be the rerun on the television of Soldier Blue<\/em>, a fantastic moral film.<\/p>\n

Guyana Chronicle<\/em> says Biko\u2019s murder yet another South African scandal that goes unanswered by the Western world. If there\u2019s one thing which is more obnoxious than crass violations of people\u2019s human rights, it is the attempt to give the impression of solicitude over those rights. This is why the current affairs going on in South Africa in the aftermath of the murder of black consciousness leader Steve Biko is so offensive to we who are Third World people.<\/p>\n

It is hardly surprising that the police chief has been cleared of any responsibility, and his entire force, of the (unintelligible word) man\u2019s murder. Other vindications can be expected from time to time until probably a couple of the modern day stormtroopers eventually a receive a light rap on the knuckle to appease the ire of an outraged Third World. The racist minority regime in Pretoria is brazen enough to believe that such an eventual response will be enough to satisfy world opinion and the demand for justice from all progressive Third World nations. No doubt they are brazen in this opinion, because the United States has refused to grant sanctions \u2013 economic sanctions \u2013 against this Pretorian fascist regime. It would be puerile to believe that the trial going on in South Africa over Biko\u2019s death is not a political matter. The regime and what it stands for, are now more than ever under the unblinking glare of Third World scrutiny and condemnation. American foreign policy today is such that the regime is being publicly rapped by its strongest ally, and cannot as easily get away as in the past with atrocities against the black majority in the country, although the American foreign policy follow-through will probably be weak in the net result. On the other hand, it must be borne in mind also, that the regime represents a system, that of apartheid \u2013 racist separatism \u2013 which cannot be allowed at any cost to spread to the rest of the world and infect mankind further. Systems have a way of bein\u2013 being able to absorb shocks and still survive, and it is purely survival reflex that has caused the regime to stage this mock hearing which is now going on.<\/p>\n

And after the reading of this news, which was Sunday\u2019s Chronicle<\/em>, I just reported to you that Steve Biko\u2019s brother [Khaya Biko] has been arrested and charged with a crime that means automatic sentence of five years.<\/p>\n

The world should therefore not be lulled into any belief that the Pretorian regime has suddenly succumbed to an attack of conscience. Such fascist regimes, wherever they are found, in whatever guise, rarely do. In fact, whatever illusions the world might be tempted to nurture over the Biko hearing, will be probably soon to disappear, as the regime further flexes its muscles after its landslide victory at recent elections. The result of that travesty of democracy has already been interpreted by the regime as a mandate to toughen up, if that was possible, on dissent, as witnessed by the hearing of Biko\u2019s brother and the other arrests that are following. (Pause)<\/p>\n

The Biko response of South Africa is determined wholly by domestic mood, the mood of the ruling white minority, who put the fascists clique back into power, by eighty to one, who hold (unintelligible word) of military and political power. The world might rant and rave over what is going on in the country, but until the ruling minority itself softens up with the milk of humanity, very little will change. And that change cannot be expected without violent revolution. That is why the international pressure must be stepped up, and not allowed to slacken. The only hope of those like Steve Biko, who are willing to risk their lives for the freedom of their people, is that they are not fighting alone, and that when they are martyred, they will be mourned by like-minded liberators, who will continue the struggle. Should the international pressure be eased, which we suspect in Guyana that it will, then the Pretorian regime will be able once again to produce the sort of high-powered propaganda that struts into the communication systems of even progressive Third World countries, and cloud the reality of life in South Africa. International pressure has been able to produce the mandatory arms embargo, which the United Nations Security Council recently was forced to slap on Pretoria, and may eventually introduce some form of embargo against the regime in all areas of activity, until there is a change for the better in South Africa. Such isolation is one way of making the regime understand the mood of an offended humanity.<\/p>\n

The struggle for freedom is universal, the freedom is indivisible, the lofty concept is enshrined in commem\u2013 commemorative plaques on monuments in Guyana and elsewhere, for the world is still at that stage of its development where there are other nations, other peoples, other groups of people who are just awaiting an opportunity to enslave others and make them produce for them, while they manipulate the levers of power and elitism, and play at being gods. If it is allowed to continue indefinitely in South Africa, it could be taken as an example of disinterest by most of mankind and be used as a model by governments elsewhere. But the struggle for majority government in South Africa, or even simply dismantling the edifice of apartheid, would be a long and hard process, not the least reason being that much of the world\u2019s communication system still is in the hands of a powerful few, which, who are of the mentality of the rulers of South Africa, if nothing more, has still not been sensitised enough to the issue, or does not even want to be, as most of the media, which is imperialist-controlled in the USA. It is hard to say, for example, there is a persistent illusion in some of the national media, to the minority in South Africa as the white tribe, are why Westerner\u2013 Western television announcers prefer a phrase like, they are being forced to draw their wagons into an ever tightening circle, thus alluding to them as the Pioneers who settled the USA. What a terrible misnomer, to call the fascist clique that has imposed this racist regime on South Africa, in any way, compare them to democrats uh\u2013 or even a (unintelligible word) to a democratic republic. It is not the white minority in South Africa that are under siege, it is the black majority. And if most of the progressive world believes pressure should be put on the minority rulers, this is certainly not a case of beseeching them, in the same sense that has conjured up by forces who are as reminiscent of the struggle of the Americans against the Indians in the West, even though that<\/em> was a bloodthirsty, uh, imposition of\u2013 of uh, terror, on the people who likely owned America. It is not the world\u2019s black encircling a small band with bloodthirsty intent, but the rest of humanity protested often on grounds which have been taught by all that is held dear to us in civilisation \u2013 democracy, humanity, and justice. Many governments may today be publicly against the system of government and its manifestations in South Africa, but many of the forces behind those governments \u2013 I only have one more paragraph \u2013 have no intention to have the status quo changed. That is a reality against which all genuine supporters of people like Biko have to\u2013 have to face. (unintelligible word) relationship takes the lead of the USSR \u2013 the United Soviet Socialist Republics \u2013 and withdraw, even the uh, diplomatic recognition, until the South African regime comes into\u2013 uh, comes to coincide with the policies of humanity. The months ahead may very likely witness a withdrawal of the regime further into itself, but only to the extent that it is pulling away from any overtures of international acceptance. This could mean even harder crackdown on dissent, and the murder of many, many, many more Bikos.<\/p>\n

Further, the uproar over Steve Biko\u2019s death has been so well orchestrated that another fundamental issue \u2013 that of independence for Zimbabwe \u2013 and for Namibia \u2013 have to vie hard for international attention these days. The Pretoria fascist regime is a colonial power in the area, and much of what eventually happens will depend on how it perceives its strategic and other interests. Civic fear, as seems probable, that it was being isolated further that it will no doubt, seeing no wisdom in wanting to cut loose from what was previously the high point of South African embarrassment \u2013 the intransigence of the Salisbury power clique in Zimbabwe, in its own determination to hold on to Namibia, against wishes of the world. But that should not (unintelligible word) freedom fighters, in fact it should more help to harden the case for majority rule and genuine democracy, not only in Zimbabwe or piecemeal, but throughout Southern Africa, says the Chronicle<\/em> reporter, Mohamed Hamaludin.<\/p>\n

Now, the beginning of the movie. Thus ends commentary and reading of the news, Soldier Blue<\/em>.<\/p>\n

(The remainder of the tape is divided between audio of Soldier Blue<\/em>, and what is presumably the original audio on the tape reversed: a recording of the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra).<\/p>\n

Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n

[1]<\/sup><\/a> The hobo colony at Waldorf-Astoria was the focus of a NYT article on November 29, 1977<\/a>. This is the article Jones is referring to. Thanks to Adrian Whicker for locating this article.<\/p>\n

[2]<\/sup><\/a> In tape 939, Jones indicates \u201cWe gonna eat some meat on Christmas Day\u2026 ain\u2019t nothing good about Jesus being born, but I want \u2013 I do<\/em> want to have some ham on Christmas Day\u201d. Q939 recorded on December 22, 1977. Further confirms Dec 25 date of 948, along with notes of Dec 25 Peoples Rally.<\/p>\n

[3]<\/sup><\/a> The connection between Interpol and Nazis is one that Jones stressed on occasion, and the Temple distributed a statement on \u201cInterpol Special Agent Attacks Jim Jones and Peoples Temple.\u201d<\/p>\n

[4]<\/sup><\/a> IF I heard this snippet of audio correctly, (41:12) could this be in reference to the planned visit of Howard and Beverly Oliver who visited between December 19th<\/sup> and 26th<\/sup>?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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