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[Editor’s notes:<\/strong> The Jonestown transcript of this conversation appears here<\/a>. There are several, mostly minor, variations between the two versions.<\/em><\/p>\n

[This tape was transcribed by Vicki Perry. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.]<\/em><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Summary,\u00a0click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>,\u00a0Pt. 2<\/a>).
\n[Better copy requested and received 2018] MP3<\/a>.
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

[Editor\u2019s notes<\/strong>: This tape of HAM radio transmissions between Jonestown and San Francisco has several periods of static, punctuated by other HAM operators breaking in with requests for identification. Where this traffic is unintelligible, no real attempts at transcription were made.<\/em><\/p>\n

[The first two minutes of this tape are at double speed. It is repeated at normal speed after two minutes.]<\/em><\/p>\n

Sandy Rozynko: <\/strong>I just haven’t seen or spoken to you in two years. You all right?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>And the call is America, in Pennsylvania. We’re here in Pennsylvania.<\/p>\n

Joyce Roztynko: <\/strong>(Crosstalk) I\u2019m just fine. I don’t understand what you’re hollering about.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Well, every time I tried to get a hold of you, they wouldn’t let me talk<\/em> to you.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>This is probably ten years. And I couldn\u2019t figure out (unintelligible)\u2013<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Why didn\u2019t you write? Because I tried. You never got any of my letters.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>That has to be 19 or 20 years ago. At least that. And uh, perhaps (unintelligible word) memory but I think perhaps\u2013 I remember now after that (unintelligible)\u2013<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>If you wanted (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Did you (unintelligible)?<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Well, I don\u2019t\u2013 and I would rather have talked to you, okay?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Well, you know we\u2019re hearing a lot of things in Pennsylvania. You have the same last name as we do business with. But it\u2019s not changed, they came back together, and it\u2019s nice to hear you back on the air with a (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>(unintelligible) Wait, I can\u2019t call you back again (unintelligible) come down in two weeks (unintelligible word). \u2018Cause right now I have a very busy life of my own but I just wanted to tell you I love you.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>When you transmit music (unintelligible) every time (unintelligible). Try not to.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>(Crosstalk) We\u2019re going to stay. We\u2019re going to stay. Don\u2019t you get (unintelligible)?<\/p>\n

[Period of conversation among other HAM operators]<\/em><\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>I\u2019m happy (unintelligible) if you\u2019re happy. If that\u2019s true, then all right. I also want to tell you that I\u2019m getting married.<\/p>\n

[Tape edit]<\/p>\n

[Period of conversation among other HAM operators]<\/em><\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>I just haven’t seen or spoken to you in two years. You all right?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>And the call is America, in Pennsylvania. We’re here in Pennsylvania.<\/p>\n

Joyce Roztynko: <\/strong>(Crosstalk) I\u2019m just fine. I don’t understand what you’re hollering about.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Well, every time I tried to get a hold of you, they wouldn’t let me talk<\/em> to you.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>This is probably ten years. And I couldn\u2019t figure out (unintelligible)\u2013<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Why didn\u2019t you write? Because I tried. You never got any of my letters.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>That has to be 19 or 20 years ago. At least that. And uh, perhaps (unintelligible word) memory but I think perhaps\u2013 I remember now after that (unintelligible)\u2013<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>If you wanted (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Did you (unintelligible)?<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Well, I don\u2019t\u2013 and I would rather have talked to you, okay?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Well, you know we\u2019re hearing a lot of things in Pennsylvania. You have the same last name as we do business with. But it\u2019s not changed, they came back together, and it\u2019s nice to hear you back on the air with a (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>(unintelligible) Wait, I can\u2019t call you back again (unintelligible) come down in two weeks (unintelligible word). \u2018Cause right now I have a very busy life of my own but I just wanted to tell you I love you.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>When you transmit music (unintelligible) every time (unintelligible). Try not to.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>(Crosstalk) We\u2019re going to stay. We\u2019re going to stay. Don\u2019t you get (unintelligible)?<\/p>\n

[Period of conversation among other HAM operators]<\/em><\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>I\u2019m happy (unintelligible) if you\u2019re happy. If that\u2019s true, then all right. I also want to tell you that I\u2019m getting married. And just (unintelligible) us.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Well, thank you. I was hoping to invite you to the wedding.<\/p>\n

(Background noise) (Unintelligible male voice in background)<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>I\u2019m not going back to America.<\/p>\n

(Muffled music in background)<\/p>\n

Sandy: Well, <\/strong>I\u2019m going to miss you an awful lot, Mother. It\u2019s just\u2013 I don\u2019t want to think that I\u2019ll never see you again.<\/p>\n

[Period of conversation among other HAM operators]<\/em><\/p>\n

[Tape edit]<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>You don\u2019t sound like my mother.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> (Crosstalk) ETA one thirty five over (unintelligible). I\u2019ll get it and I\u2019ll send you one of mine. I\u2019ve had mine for a long time. They\u2019re not so\u2013 (voice fades).<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Well, can I talk to Mike and Chris?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Your (unintelligible) are on some of this. And uh, they (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>(Crosstalk) Chris doesn\u2019t want to talk to you, but Mike\u2019s here, he will.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(unintelligible), Sandy? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Mike?<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Yes. This is Mike. How are you, Sandy? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>We\u2019re waiting for you to transmit this.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>I love you, Mike.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Much love to you, also.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know what you heard about me, Mike, but it isn\u2019t true. I\u2019m living a very happy life now, and I like it where I am, and I\u2019m doing what I want to do. And I\u2019m going to college, and doing great. And I have a good life here, and it\u2019s not what he said it\u2019s like. I swear<\/em> to you, Mike. It\u2019s different.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Good. But you couldn\u2019t be as happy as I am.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Well, Mike, I\u2019m really glad you\u2019re happy. But if you ever want to come back to the United States, please tell me.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>You people all know I\u2019m happy.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Yeah, Mike, I think you are. But if you ever don\u2019t<\/em> get happy, if you ever want to come back, please call me. Call Dad [Vitale Rozynko]. He says he\u2019ll get you a plane ticket out of there. He\u2019ll send you first class. He\u2019ll pay for your college education. He\u2019ll give you a new life. We all<\/em> will. We all love you. We all don\u2019t ever want to\u2013 we want\u2013 we don\u2019t want to think that we\u2019ll never see you again, Mike. We want to give you a chance.<\/p>\n

(High pitched squeal over radio)<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Well, why don\u2019t you (unintelligible word) the Temple, we\u2019ll connect you with some of the people who have\u2013 (unintelligible word) so much evil.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Mike, I love you. I\u2019m not sure if anybody is doing anything (unintelligible word) to return.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Oh, you know what I\u2019m talking about.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Mike, I know what you\u2019re talking about, but whatever you think, it\u2019s not true. I love you. I love Mom and I love Chris. So does Dad. He wants to see you happy and he wants to see you again. He doesn\u2019t want you to stay down there forever.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Negative copy. Negative copy.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Do I have a (unintelligible)?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Mike, whatever you heard, it isn\u2019t true. I love you, and I love Mike, I love Chris, I love Mom, and so does Dad. He loves<\/em> you, and he wants to see<\/em> you. He doesn\u2019t want you to stay down there forever. He doesn\u2019t want to think that he\u2019ll never see you again. He loves<\/em> you, and I want to make you sure that you know that. We love you and we don\u2019t\u2013 we don\u2019t want to hurt you.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Well, then quit<\/em>, because I\u2019ve seen what you\u2019ve done with my own eyes.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Mike, what did I do?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>It\u2019s a long time (unintelligible). Can\u2019t call him back. Uh, similar to what the (unintelligible) used to have when they were a bit more on the discreet side. Ten years ago, and then put up (Unintelligible) for it until they could (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Negative copy. Negative copy. Negative copy.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> Uh, if I could inter\u2013 interrupt for a minute, uh, for my records, here could all the parties involved in the phone patch, please uh, state your name and the date. Over. Uh, go ahead, 8R3, uh, state your name and address, or state your name and the date. Over.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) medical clinic deep in the jungle of South America . (Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

(Several voices in background)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) WB6, MIB Portable 8R3. Copy. If so, please state your name and the date, uh, for my records. Over.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>I\u2019m sorry I have to run out on you. (Unintelligible) 382Y.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>WB6 MIB portable 8R3, this is WA6 D2J. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>This is December 2, 1977.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Okay. I have person\u2013 all parties uh, in the phone patch. Please state your names also.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>This is Mike Rozynko.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>My name is Sandy Rozynko and (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>This is Joyce Rozynko. December 2, 1977.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Okay. Uh, Sandy would you repeat please?<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>My name is Sandy Rozynko, and the date is December 2, 1977.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Okay. Thank you. Uh, there was a\u2013 Sandy, there was a negative copy on your last\u2013 uh, I think they asked for a repeat.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Mike, I want to know what I did that you feel so mad about.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>You know what I feel mad about. Let\u2019s not go into that now.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>I don\u2019t<\/em> know, Mike. I don\u2019t know what you\u2019re so mad<\/em> about. Tell<\/em> me.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>All the things that you\u2019ve done. You hurt me and my best friend, and I\u2019ve seen it with my own eyes.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>What, Mike? I assume that you can\u2019t go into details when you don\u2019t even know yourself. I guess somebody is trying to tell you, but whatever they\u2019re telling you isn\u2019t true. You must believe<\/em> me.<\/p>\n

(Mixed voices over radio)<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>(Unintelligible word) I have seen with my own eyes. I have no need<\/em> for anybody to tell me. I have seen with my own eyes what you have done.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Well, Mike, I\u2019m sure that they have told you things like we\u2019re racists, etcetera but we\u2019re not<\/em>. Patti and Carl, everyone\u2019s (unintelligible) interracial children living with us now. Andre is living with us now. We\u2019re not racist, Mike. We have black people living in our home. We are socially with them every day. They\u2019re just\u2013 they\u2019re our own children now. That\u2019s why the stares. We aren\u2019t racist. We\u2019re not fascist. We don\u2019t believe in\u2013 in Germany and\u2013 and [Adolf] Hitler, like they tell you. We\u2019re just normal people.<\/p>\n

[Period of conversation among other HAM operators]<\/em><\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Okay. WB6 MID portable 8R3, this is WA6 D2J. Someone is uh, complaining about music broadcast on the air, which is not coming from my station here. I don\u2019t know uh, where the problem is coming from. Uh, I will have Sandy repeat her last transmission. Go ahead, Sandy.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Mike, I\u2019m sure that they have told you different things about us, like we\u2019re racist or we\u2019re Nazis or something like that, but it\u2019s not true. Patrica and Carl (unintelligible name), they\u2019re living with us now. Andrea Mertle (unintelligible word) , they\u2019re living with us now. (Unintelligible name) and Deanna and all children, they\u2019ve adopted us. We\u2019re not racists. We\u2019re not Nazis. We don\u2019t believe in the Ku Klux Klan. We\u2019re just normal people, living normal lives, getting back into the swing of things. Okay? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Listen, there\u2019s no need to debate this. I\u2019m happy. I\u2019m living my own life and you live your own life.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Okay, Mike. Let me tell you about some things that are happening over here, so at least you know some news in the United States, okay? All right. (pause) Mike? The Klan is not marching in the streets. There are no riots or blacks in the streets. Marshall Kilduff is not dead. Whatever you\u2019ve heard, is probably a lie. Okay? But life is going on in the United States. It\u2019s normal. There are no race\u2013 racists hanging blacks in the projects.<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible exchange with HAM operators)<\/em><\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Sandy, why don\u2019t you live your own life? I\u2019m in agricult\u2013 agriculture, and I\u2019m enjoying it very much.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Well, how come\u2013 why don\u2019t you come back and you can go to college and you can\u2013 You can do the things that I know you\u2019ve always wanted to do. I know<\/em> you wanted to be a doctor more than you wanted to live<\/em>, you said. You can come back and you can continue your photography<\/em>. I mean, why did you go down in the first place? I mean, Tim Clancey\u2019s taking your pictures now, and (Unintelligible word) and I know<\/em> that he couldn\u2019t be as good as you. I mean, why would you give that up? I mean you\u2019ve got a whole life ahead of you. You can go to college. I\u2019m giving you this chance to do what you wanted to do, and I\u2013 I know you could be happy doing it. I just\u2013 I just don\u2019t understand.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>I\u2019m a free moral agent, and I came down here because I want to. I love you, Sandy.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>I love you too, Mike, but please remember, if there\u2019s ever anything you need from me, you know what to do. Call me. Write a letter. Somehow. Go to the consulate down there. They\u2019ll help you. You know, if you need me, if you need Dad. If you want to leave but they won\u2019t let you, call me and I\u2019ll send a ticket down or I\u2019ll come down myself and you will be (Unintelligible word), but you\u2019ll get out. You can come up here, and we have a home for you. We can give you a job. We can send you to college. I just want you to know that if you want to, you have an out. And we can\u2013 (Pause) And if we need to, we can get you an emergency passport.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>I don\u2019t need a passport. I have<\/em> a passport. No one has a hold on me. I am here on my own free will, and I will not<\/em>come back.<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Okay, Mike. Just remember, if you need me, I\u2019m here, and I love you. And tell Chris I\u2019m sorry he didn\u2019t want to talk to me, but the same goes for him. The same goes for Mom, and I love every one of you. Very much. So does Dad, and so does everybody up here.<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>I love you too, but I just don\u2019t like the way you try to hurt people. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Sandy: <\/strong>Okay, Mike. Well, I love you. Bye-bye. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/strong>Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>WA6 D2J terminating from patch. WB6 MID portable 8R3.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Part 2:<\/strong><\/p>\n

[Period of conversation among other HAM operators]<\/em><\/p>\n

(Unintelligible male voice)<\/p>\n

Jim Jones: <\/strong>The (unintelligible word) remind. It\u2019s one of those things that Martha received. There\u2019s questions that we want resolved. Just how we would uh, find out uh, how this man ticks and uh, what he is\u2013 what his game is and what he\u2019s up to.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I know one thing. He better hope I stay healthy and stay alive, \u2018cause there\u2019s sure a lot of folks that are aggravated with him.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>That is most definitely for sure. Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

(Mixed unintelligible chat)<\/em><\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Irene, Ed\u2019s secretary, and Martha are going to see him right now. Over.<\/p>\n

Female: <\/strong>(Unintelligible), no.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>They are going to see, uh, Hank right now. They are going to see Hank right now. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Roger. Is your (unintelligible word) over there?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Negative.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) still going there, right?<\/p>\n

Female 2: <\/strong>\u2013two at a time.<\/p>\n

Deborah Layton: <\/strong>Sidney\u2013 Sidney\u2019s uh, in charge of the program right now. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Negative. You talk too fast, Martha. You\u2019re the most dedicated person in the world, but you talk too fast.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Sidney. Sidney is in charge of the program right now. Over.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Okay. Roger. Everybody (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

[Tape edit]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Tell them to find (unintelligible name) and put him in.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>They did.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>First class. Upper class. (unintelligible) because that\u2019s what (unintelligible word) boils down to.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, roger, roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>\u2018Cause there\u2019s assurances that he don\u2019t want life doing what he\u2019s doing, but uh, they\u2019re very secretive and so forth, so we don\u2019t know what\u2019s up with him, and uh, I still want to know where it\u2019s at because he can live to\u2013 live to clear a li\u2013 How did he react on the\u2013 on the phone?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>He uh\u2013 he called me back. I left a message, and he called me back about 11:30 last night and we did not talk. We just set up an appointment. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, all right. I see. Well, maybe you\u2019ll talk today.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, roger. We\u2019ve got our\u2013 we\u2019ve got our uh, group together. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s good. That\u2019s great.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Irene and uh\u2013 uh, Ed\u2019s secretary and I are on our way now. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Negative copy.<\/p>\n

(Two female voices in background; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(unintelligible word), you can go. Sign out. Clear the landline. I\u2019d like to ask\u2013 I\u2019d like to find\u2013 point out to him some of his uh, (unintelligible) liabilities. Uh, (unintelligible) uh, there are some opinions that he\u2019s just a highly impressionable soul, and always has to look like the moral crusaders, no matter who (unintelligible; high pitched squeal) That\u2019s what what Ed and Sarah thinks. \u2018Cause I\u2019m an idealistic soul that\u2019s always trying to talk to somebody before they destroy themselves and others.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>You say he is an impressionable person, uh, and I copy your idealism. Who was this directed to? Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Uh, negative on that. I\u2013 I didn\u2019t copy that.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Okay, uh, Lily got it. Lily got it. Okay. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It sure ought to be mindful. Copy? (Unintelligible) mighty appropriate on (unintelligible). I basically say do you copy?<\/p>\n

Layton<\/strong>: Roger, roger. We ought to be mindful.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Negative. (Unintelligible) be mindful.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger. Remind him.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>But no matter how much he sells his soul to the devil. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>They want to make their independence (unintelligible) frame-up, and they are in a position to do so. Better be mindful. It never pays to lie. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, roger. Uh, is that in regards to uh, Shorty? Over.<\/p>\n

(High pitched sound)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>8R3, is that in regards to Shorty? Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Negative copy.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>(Louder, slower) Is that in regards to Shorty? Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>In regard to what?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Shorty. Chris. Chris. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s a roger. That\u2019s a roger. (unintelligible) I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m talking about, like can he uh, (unintelligible). He needs to be reminded he\u2013 That\u2013 Uh, well, I don\u2019t know how to put it. I don\u2019t know how to put it. (Loud intermittent beeps). Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Layton<\/strong>: Negative. Negative. We have someone tuning of it on top of you. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I say we need to talk to Eric about some way of reminding (unintelligible word) Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Yes. Roger. We copy.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That they\u2019ll make their own independent claim up on him. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And there are\u2013 the means is Julie but\u2013 but Julie kept (unintelligible word) about this gentleman.<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>Julie. Julie.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Uh, we\u2013 uh, we have only partial copy. Uh, something about Julie. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>What Julie kept. What Julie kept.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>That\u2019s a roger. (Pause) Roger, roger, 8R3.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Kind of documentation you would not be accustomed to.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>So I\u00ad\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t want him to try to hurt people. Thinks he\u2019s gonna come out (unintelligible word) clean by lying on other people.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I don\u2019t care at this point. If people are that wicked\u2013 Well, most people are that wicked, and I been trying to be nothing but (unintelligible). Our country and this country have been settled with the best ambassadors of goodwill they\u2019ve ever<\/em> had. All ambassadors (unintelligible). I don\u2019t understand what they\u2019re trying to do. I read all the stuff they\u2019ve got cooked up, and certainly by officials back there. Government officials. I read it all. It\u2019s silly. It\u2019s silly to try to do that kind of stuff. It (unintelligible word) people. (Unintelligible), get to it, but they will. (Pause) But just find out from Hank how he feels some of the message, uh, some of the uh, questions, they should be\u2013 (unintelligible) be answered. All of them (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>He gave\u2013 he said he believes his son is the worst thing. He believes the worst about him, and his own friends believe the worst about him (unintelligible). [Tim] Stoen\u2019s worst friends\u2013 his old friends think the worst about him<\/em>. (Unintelligible) why\u2013 what a (unintelligible) concerned about him. They all believe he\u2019s gone all the way to do evil anyway.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I guess that\u2019s why he\u2019s so civil. But as to him, doing anything that he has in mind, you might as well try to uh, climb Mount Everest. That they uh, thread the needle.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, roger, roger, roger. Stand by for, uh\u2013 Stand by.<\/p>\n

(Two female voices in the background; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>The frequency\u2019s in use. The frequency is in use.<\/p>\n

(Two female voices in the background; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) (Crosstalk over radio)<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>WA6 D2J standing by with WB6 MID portable 8R3. The frequency is in use and is standing by.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019d like to ask him what he thinks they\u2019re trying to do with the (unintelligible) down here. Uh, we can\u2019t live\u2013 (Pause) Well, we won\u2019t\u2013 we will not be victimized by a criminal. It\u2019s not my uh\u2013 it\u2019s not my characteristic. I have had some kind of sudden turn. (Unintelligible for ten seconds)<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>8R3, uh, we are\u2013 We ought to be going now. If, uh\u2013 if there\u2019s more we can\u2013 we can uh, make an excuse for a later appointment. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>What time is better (unintelligible). My life insurance (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Negative copy. WB6 MID portable 8R3. WA6 D2J. (Slowly, enunciating) Negative copy. Negative copy.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Tell Leann\u2013 <\/strong>(Unintelligible). You uh, you won\u2019t have to worry (unintelligible) get this. Nearly half my life is uh, (unintelligible). Life is uh, (unintelligible) people are doing now. (Unintelligible) lies, that\u2019s all. \u2018Cause I know what you people (unintelligible). I must (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Female: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

(Squeals, crosstalk)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Copy.<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>It\u2019s okay. You don\u2019t have to worry.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Uh, we copy. Tell him that you don\u2019t have to worry, and that was all. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s a (unintelligible). In this situation he\u2019d get a (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Negative. Negative. Uh, the\u2013 negative.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Have (unintelligible) about my life. (Unintelligible), do you copy?<\/p>\n

Female in background: <\/strong>Ask him.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Listen, (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Do you copy?<\/p>\n

(Female voices in background)<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Uh, we copied about Marceline [Jones] and uh, your life insurance.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s right, and we can have that. But I do have\u2013 I\u2019ve got a\u2013 I\u2019ve got problems here (unintelligible) taking care of a thousand people and uh, I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t know what to tell the man. Don\u2019t you worry. Don\u2019t you worry. I know (unintelligible) None of you worry. Anyway, you\u2019re a very courageous, brave people. But don\u2019t worry. But we\u2019ll call you (unintelligible) my life insurance.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible). I want to find out\u2013 I want to find out\u2013 now he\u2019s got them\u2013 they let him go on. I want to find out about uh, uh\u2013 I\u2019m talking now about uh, (unintelligible). You know Maxine\u2019s sister, Melanie?<\/p>\n

(Female voices in background; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Uh, stand by.<\/p>\n

(Female voice in background; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You know Maxine\u2019s sister, Melanie?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>(Hesitant) Uh\u2013 Uh, we copy you, but uh, we\u2019re not too sure.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You know Maxine?<\/p>\n

(Female voices in background; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>Which Maxine?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger. Uh, we\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Too afraid of too big ears?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, roger. Yes. Thank you for checking, old man. This is WA6 D2J with\u2013 that the frequency is in use and thank you for checking.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Tell me. Tell me.<\/p>\n

Undetermined gender voice in background: <\/strong>Oh, my God.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Marge\u2013 Marge worked with her a lot. Marge and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>Marge worked with her a lot?<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>Marjorie.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Lisa\u2019s daughter works with her a lot.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Uh, whose daughter?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Negative copy on the daughter.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Lisa. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa,.<\/p>\n

(Female voices in background)<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Okay, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Uh, Melanie.<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible female voice in background)<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Okay, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Uh, (unintelligible) need to see if uh\u2013 (Pause) Stand by.<\/p>\n

(Female voices in background)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) Do you copy me?<\/p>\n

Female: <\/strong>Roger, roger. We copy.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Uh, tell Melanie to just uh, bring back what she needs for travel. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible female voices in room)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger. We copy.<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>I can\u2019t (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Uh, we\u2019re a little bit hazy, though.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You know what a (unintelligible) does?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Yeah. Okay. Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>A lot\u2019s going to (unintelligible) that uh, that uh, (unintelligible) that\u2019s her. That\u2019s Melanie.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Oh. Okay. Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

[Period of query from other HAM operators]<\/em><\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Uh, frequency\u2019s in use. This frequency\u2019s in use.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Do you copy, WA6 D2J?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible). The other day when we did so (unintelligible) Venezuela by getting the medicine they needed. (Pause) Okay, I\u2019m\u2013 I think that uh, folks like\u2013 No, I think that all<\/em> of the (unintelligible) and uh, (unintelligible). Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Negative. Wait a minute.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Stand by. Somebody\u2019s knock\u2013<\/p>\n

Female: <\/strong>Stand by.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Somebody\u2019s knocking you out. Uh, I\u2013 Irene would like to know if she could leave now. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Well, of course, but I wanted to hear one thing. I want to find what\u2019s going on (unintelligible) really (unintelligible) a fellowship.<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>Fellowship?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>We copied \u201cHenderson\u2019s people\u201d and \u201cfellowship\u201d.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible). We\u2019re tired of this song and dance. I write to good people\u2013 (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>You\u2019re tired of this song and dance.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>We copied \u201cyou\u2019re tired of this song and dance\u201d something\u2013<\/p>\n

Female: <\/strong>Tired that good people have to go through that thing\u2013<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Uh, tired that good people have to go through that. Uh, we don\u2019t completely understand what you\u2019re saying, though. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Well, I wasn\u2019t (unintelligible) everybody works (unintelligible). All the family and (unintelligible) and anniversary fellowship.<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>Well, don\u2019t say (unintelligible) family.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger. You say you want all the family in an anniversary fellowship. Is that Roger?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Yes. Totally right. All good people should be able to (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And Melanie. Let\u2019s do what she needs to travel. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>We copied. We cop\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) can do uh, (unintelligible) possible (unintelligible), Dexter. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>Negative.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Uh, just copied \u201cDexter\u201d. I\u2019m sorry.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Guys, you can do what you can to help him.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Do what we can to help Dexter.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Do what?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>We copied \u201cdo what we can to help Dexter.\u201d Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Yeah, (unintelligible). Be sure not to get Melanie (unintelligible). Only Melanie\u2019s got to travel. Only Melanie\u2019s got to travel.<\/p>\n

Male voice in room<\/strong>: Melanie\u2019s got to travel.<\/p>\n

(Crosstalk)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger, roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I want her family to be able to (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>So everybody gets themselves to work, \u2018cause I\u2013 I do a lot better\u2013 I\u2019ve always done better when everybody gets to enjoy the (unintelligible). (Unintelligible) for life like it can be enjoyed<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Better than all the liars do what they want to do. I\u2019m sick of the liars.<\/p>\n

Layton (in room): <\/strong>He wants\u2013<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>In other words\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(unintelligible). They\u2019ll fade into the woodwork, and they won\u2019t know how to hear from us anymore.<\/p>\n

Male<\/strong>: Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s all I had to say.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger. Thank you. Uh, Irene uh, should go now. Is that right? Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Roger. That wasn\u2019t (unintelligible) I don\u2019t want to go into the (unintelligible), do you understand? I just want\u2013 I wanted the\u2013 uh, the good people to know about his (unintelligible). Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger, roger. Understood. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger, roger. We copy. We understand. Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Yeah, been thinking (unintelligible) three years of this (unintelligible). Ask if somebody needs help. (Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

[Several moments of query from other HAM operators]<\/em><\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) get a hold of (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Layton<\/strong>: Uh, negative copy. Get a hold of who?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Roger, roger. The frequency is in use old man. Thank you for checking.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible). \u2018Course, this\u2019ll\u2013 this\u2019ll stop, this will stop. This\u2019ll stop. This will <\/em>stop. (Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Layton: <\/strong>Uh, negative copy. We only copied \u201cthis will stop.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(In unison with female) \u201cThis will stop.\u201d<\/p>\n

[Period of query from other HAM operators]<\/em><\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Roger, roger. Go ahead. Please say again. And we copied is \u201cthis will stop.\u201d<\/p>\n

Female: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) that we not. (Unintelligible). Over.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>They\u2013 they\u2013<\/p>\n

Female in room: <\/strong>Turning over. Turning over.<\/p>\n

End Of Side 1<\/strong><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Side 2<\/strong><\/p>\n

Part 3<\/strong><\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>WD6 MID portable 8R3. WA6 D2J. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

(Crosstalk over radio)<\/p>\n

Tom Adams: <\/strong>Okay. Phone patch is connected. For my records, please, at the beginning of where the\u2013 at the beginning of the conversation uh, all parties state your name and the date of the conversation uh, complete with your conversation. Uh, go ahead uh, first, 8R3.<\/p>\n

Charlie Touchette: <\/strong>Uh, this is Charlie Touchette. Uh, December 3, 1977, and I\u2019m living in the most beautiful place in the entire world. Hey, Mickey. I overheard you (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey Touchette: <\/strong>I can\u2019t hear you.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>That forged check for several hundred dollars, and it didn\u2019t take long for you to blow through it.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>What\u2019d you say? I can\u2019t hear you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Okay. Mickey, uh, first state your name and the date and then uh, I\u2019ll have him repeat.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay. Uh, my name is Mickey Touchette and this is uh, uh, December 3.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Okay, now when you get through talking, you\u2019ll have to say \u201cover,\u201d so that I know you\u2019re finished and then I\u2019ll switch him over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay. Now what was that word?<\/p>\n

Adams<\/strong>: When you get through your (Unintelligible), when you get through talking and you want\u2013 you\u2019re ready for them to talk, say \u201cover\u201d so that I can switch the\u2013 the key. The microphone key.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>You mean\u2013 Oh.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>You can only talk one at a time.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Oh. I see.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Okay. Uh, go ahead uh, WD6 MID portable 8R3. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Now I have no idea. But I said that\u2013<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Uh, 8R3, please repeat your last transmission.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>This is Charles Touchette. December the third, 1977. I\u2019m living in the most\u2013 most wonderful place in the entire world, and uh, I uh, (Unintelligible)\u2013 I don\u2019t know, but you know, things are strange. I haven\u2019t heard from you for several years since you forged that check for several hundred dollars and went out on a terrorist spree, I believe to blow up some things. Over.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>So did you copy that?<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Yeah. I copy. Okay, Daddy. I miss you very, very much. I can\u2019t wait to see you again. I love you. And uh, uh, whenever you decide to leave the church, whenever you decide to come back to the States, I\u2019m here in San Francisco, and you can get a hold of me. I\u2019m listed. Daddy, I love all<\/em> of you and I miss all of you. Uh, what you just said to me uh, was not true at all<\/em>, Daddy. I was never going to blow up anything<\/em>. You know me better than that. You know, uh, we left the church because of\u2013 of uh, Jim Jones and because of uh, of his sickness, Daddy, and I don\u2019t even want to get into<\/em> that. I want to talk to you<\/em> and I want to make sure that you\u2019re<\/em> all right. I want to know how your health is, I want to know what you do and I want to know how all my family is. Uh, over, Tom.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Darlin\u2019, I want to tell you something. You better wake up your ass (unintelligible). What bothers me is you wrote that check you forged (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Dad, I did not forge a check that had uh, I don\u2019t know. It was either your signature or my mother\u2019s signature. I asked for some things that I needed. I did not forge a check. That is a lie. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Oh. Well, (Unintelligible), we know you did. I\u2019ve still got the check, darlin\u2019. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay. Okay, Daddy. The check. That\u2019s a different issue you know. We can talk about that when we can see each other. How are you? Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, I\u2019m doing just fine. I couldn\u2019t live in a better place in the entire world. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Well, I\u2013 I\u2019m glad you\u2019re happy. I just want you to know though that when you decide to leave, I\u2019m here and I love you and I miss you. I wish that when we had been able to talk before I left the church, we had\u2013 we\u2019d had been in private. I wish I could\u2019ve talked to you like a father and a\u2013 and a daughter talk, instead of with tape recorders and with Planning Commission uh, members around us. I wish we\u2019d had some privacy. Is mother there? Over.<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible chatter over radio)<\/p>\n

Female: <\/strong>(Unintelligible). International phone patch. This frequency is in use.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) \\<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>8R3, did you copy the last? Over.<\/p>\n

(Distorted unintelligible voice)<\/p>\n

Female: <\/strong>This frequency is in use. Negative copy on the line.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Okay. Repeat your last transmission.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Me?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay. What did I say? Uh, Daddy, uh, is mother there? Can I talk to her?<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible male voice over radio)<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>WD6 MID portable 8R3, did you copy? Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Before walking off, you\u2019re still involved in those terrorist activities? Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Uh, is mother there? I want to speak to my mother. Is she there? Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>I\u2019m asking a question. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Dad, I know you\u2019re not asking about that yourself. Jim Jones is prompting you to ask me that question. Is my mother there? Charles Garry told me I could talk to her. Over.<\/p>\n

Charles: <\/strong>Nobody\u2019s prompting me, Mickey. You just don\u2019t want to answer that question, and you know it. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>No, I am not involved in terrorist activities. Is my mother there? I want to talk to her.<\/p>\n

Female voice in room: <\/strong>Terrorist.<\/p>\n

Female voice in room: <\/strong>That\u2019s a good thing. It will give (unintelligible) more time to (unintelligible) call (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Tom?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Hmm?<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>What\u2013 what\u2019s going on? I can\u2019t hear anything.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Are you finished?<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n

(Muffled sound on radio)<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce Touchette: <\/strong>This is your mother. This is December 3, 1977, and (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I\u2019m fine, Mom. How are you? Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Couldn\u2019t be better. We\u2019re\u2013 It\u2019s beautiful down here, Mickey.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I (unintelligible). I just want you to know that I love you and I\u2019m here in San Francisco and I can easily be reached.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Mickey, I don\u2019t\u2013 I didn\u2019t have the key down on that time (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I want you to know, Mom, that I love you and I miss you and when you come back in San Francisco, I can be easily reached. I\u2019m listed. Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>And I love you, but I hope you change your ways, Mickey. (Unintelligible). There\u2019s a newborn baby that we\u2019ve adopted [Neal Shaun Welcome, age 2]. It\u2019s the most beautiful little child. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I heard\u2013 I heard that you adopted a\u2013 a child. That\u2019s wonderful. You should see your new grandson. He\u2019s beautiful. He\u2019s three years old, and he\u2019s uh, very intelligent, and I\u2019d love for him to know all<\/em> of you. When are you going to come back to the States? Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>No intention to. I wouldn\u2019t leave this place for anything. We also have an anteater, Mickey. You know Mr. Muggs<\/a>. He\u2019s here also. And we also have a little baby monkey here that (unintelligible). Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay, mother. I just wanted you to know again that I miss you very much and uh, I wish you\u2019d been close<\/em> to me when I had my child. I wish you were all close to me right now. Uh, is Michelle there? I want to speak to Michelle. Over.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Okay (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

(Crosstalk; two male voices; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Well, Mickey, I love you too but I\u2013 I hope you\u2019ll get out of that\u2013 that terrorist activity (unintelligible). Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>You know, I have never, ever believed in my life that it would get to a point to where my two parents would accuse me of being involved in a terrorist activity. Mother, you are listening to that man, that are\u2013 you\u2019re listening to lies. And until you ask me personally and until you talk to me and uh, get my side of the story, then you\u2019re\u2013 you\u2019re\u2013 you don\u2019t have any right to form an opinion against me. I\u2019m your daughter<\/em>. You know me better than he<\/em> does, and I know you all better than he knows you. I know that he\u2019s telling you to ask<\/em> me those questions. So I\u2019m just letting them slide by. They\u2019re invalid. Is Michelle there? I want to speak to her. Over<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>I do know you really well, and if you\u2019ll recall, you did<\/em> tell me all about your activities, out of your own mouth. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Mother! Don\u2019t lie<\/em>. Nothing, nothing<\/em> in this world is worth lying against your daughter like that. Nothing<\/em> is. I want to speak to Michelle. Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know what to say. You\u2019re willing to help (unintelligible). Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t copy that, Tom.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Say again, 8R3. Say again, please.<\/p>\n

(Distorted male voice; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>8R3, repeat your last, please.<\/p>\n

(Distorted male voice; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Negative copy. Negative copy.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Repeat your last transmission, please. Over.<\/p>\n

(Distorted voices)<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Uh, Mickey, I\u2013 I do hope you get away from those (unintelligible)\u2013 those revolutionary violent activities. Do you copy? Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Yes, mother, I copied. I want you to know that I work eight hours a day at a very hard job. I take care of myself. I take care of my job. I take care of my son. We\u2019re both healthy and we\u2019re happy and we\u2019re doing the best we can to have a productive, good life, and I wish for you all the same. I want to speak to Michelle. C\u2013 Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Mickey, (unintelligible) and Michelle\u2019s right here but, did you ever get married? Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t copy, Tom.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Say again, 8R3.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Well, Mickey, I\u2019m glad you found your way, but did you ever get married? Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Did I ever get what?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Say again please.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I\u2013 I hope you\u2019ve changed your ways, uh, but did you ever get married? Over.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>She\u2019s asking if you ever got married.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Did I ever get married?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Yeah. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>No. I never got married. Uh\u2013 I want to speak to Michelle. Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Uh, negative copy. Negative copy.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>She wants you to say it again.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>No. I never got married. I want to speak to Michelle.<\/p>\n

(Distorted, unintelligible male voice)<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Did you want to get married for the child\u2019s sake? Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t hear it. Did you hear that?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>No. I didn\u2019t. Say it again, 8R3.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Uh, Mickey. You really should get married. You really should because of the child\u2019s sake. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Thank you for the advice. I want to speak to Michelle. Over.<\/p>\n

Michelle: <\/strong>Hello, Mickey. This is Michelle. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Hey, Michelle! Over. Is\u2013 it, wait a minute. Is it\u2013 is Michelle\u2013 Michelle say something again. It doesn\u2019t sound like your voice. Over.<\/p>\n

Michelle: <\/strong>This (unintelligible) Michelle (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Oh, how are you? How are you, Michelle? I tried to reach you at the dormitories, but they wouldn\u2019t let me see you. I miss you very much. I want you to know that I love you, and I want to see you as soon as possible. If you ever decide to leave the church, try to contact me, and I\u2019m here in San Francisco and I\u2019m available for you to reach me. I know what life is really like in that place, Michelle, and if you want to go, you\u2019ve got a safe place to come to. Over.<\/p>\n

Michelle: <\/strong>Are you suggesting we leave this beautiful place to go to the people that you\u2019re involved with? Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know anything about that, Michelle. That doesn\u2019t even make any sense to me. That\u2019s coming out of Jim Jones\u2019 mouth, nobody else\u2019s. I want to know, Michelle, uh, are you happy there and do you want to come home? Over.<\/p>\n

Michelle: <\/strong>Mickey, I love you, and I never want to come home. Jim Jones has told me nothing about this.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay, Michelle. Well, I\u2019d like to speak to you a lot more but uh, I\u2019d\u2013 let me speak to Michael. Is he there? Over.<\/p>\n

(Distorted male voice)<\/p>\n

Michelle: <\/strong>Mike doesn\u2019t want to talk to you, but Albert does.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Say again, 8R3.<\/p>\n

Michelle: <\/strong>Mike does not want to talk to you but Albert is here.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Okay, go ahead. Mike\u2013 Uh, she just said uh, Mike doesn\u2019t want to talk to you, but Albert is there.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I hear. Okay. Okay, Albert. Let me hear Albert.<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>Hey, Mickey. This is Albert.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Hey\u2013 oh, Albert. Hello! I miss you, sweetheart, and I want you to come home. You want to come to San Francisco? Over.<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>You sound like Sarah Bernhardt. (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Mickey<\/strong>: I didn\u2019t hear what words you said, Al. Say it again.<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>I said you<\/em> sound like Sarah Bernhardt.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Well, whoever\u2013 I don\u2019t know who that is, Al. How are<\/em> you?<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>I entered college about three or four years ago, Mickey. This is the first time I\u2019ve heard from you.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Because, Albert, Jim Jones said whoever left Peoples Temple would be killed,<\/em> and I was afraid. I was hiding, I was staying away from Jim Jones and Peoples Temple, Al. Uh, do you want to leave? If you do, I\u2019m here in San Francisco. Do you want to come to me? Over.<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>Mickey, that\u2019s a lie. You know that\u2019s a lie, and I\u2019m happy and I\u2019m home and I love (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay, Al. If you ever\u2013 this goes to everybody. This goes to all of my family, that if you ever change your mind and if you want to leave Peoples Temple, you can do it. Jim Jones has no power over you at all<\/em>. You can leave Peoples Temple and you can live lives or\u2013 in\u2013 in the United States. And I\u2019m here and you can contact me whenever you want to contact me. Uh, let me speak\u2013 uh, uh, is Michael\u2013 I don\u2019t believe that Michael won\u2019t talk to me. I think you\u2019re keeping him from me. Is uh\u2013 I want to speak to Grandma [Helen Swinney]. Over.<\/p>\n

(Distorted voices; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>Mickey, your grandmother\u2019s in (unintelligible). Your grandmother does not want to speak with you. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Al, your voice has really changed. You sound like a g\u2013 you sound so grown up. Uh, is Grandpa [Cleave Swinney] there? I want to speak to Grandpa then.<\/p>\n

(Distorted male voice; unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>Uh, (unintelligible) doesn\u2019t seem to be around but we\u2019ll call over there and ask him. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay. What about Uncle Tim [Swinney], is he there? I want to speak to Uncle Tim. Over.<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>Your Uncle Tim definitely<\/em> does not want to speak to you because you got some friends that (unintelligible word) on him. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Because I have what? Look, I didn\u2019t understand the last part. Over.<\/p>\n

(Static, distortion)<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Repeat, 8R3. Repeat.<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>Mickey, by the way, while we\u2019re talking, you\u2019re the one that sounds like a robot. Over.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey:<\/strong> Uh, is Uncle Tim there, Albert? I didn\u2019t hear what you said. Let me speak to Uncle Tim.<\/p>\n

(Distorted male voice)<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>(Unintelligible). Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay, Al. That\u2019s all right. Uh, I\u2013 I want you to know, Al\u2013 please tell Michael and tell everybody else there that I love them and I miss them. And when they decide to leave Peoples Temple, they can call me. Contact me, and I\u2019ll do all I can to get \u2018em back here. I miss you all and I know what your life is like down there. I know how awful it is. I know how miserable it is. So please call me when you want to leave. You don\u2019t have anything to be afraid of. There\u2019s nothing to be afraid of. I know how much\u2013 I know how a few of you want to (Unintelligible word) going out. Please, leave there as soon as you can. It\u2019s not worth it. Over.<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible female voice in room)<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>(Unintelligible). I never said I want to leave here. It\u2019s such a beautiful, wonderful place. We\u2019ll probably live here the rest of our lives. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay, Al. All right. But if you ever change your mind, please do. Please contact me. Does anybody else want to talk to me? Does anyone have another message for me? Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Uh, this is your Mom, Mickey. You really sound crazy. I just wonder who\u2019s been talking to you. I\u2019ve never heard you talk so silly. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey<\/strong>: Okay, Mother, and I want you to know that I love you and I miss you and I\u2019m doing everything I can to get you back to the United States. Over.<\/p>\n

(Distorted, unintelligible voices over radio)<\/p>\n

Michelle: <\/strong>Mickey, I don\u2019t want you to bother me any more (unintelligible). Goodbye.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>What\u2019d she say?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Say again, 8R3.<\/p>\n

Michelle: <\/strong>Mickey, I don\u2019t want you to bother us any more (unintelligible). Anything you (unintelligible). Goodbye.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Well, Michelle, I don\u2019t believe you. I believe that all of you down there that are my family, I believe that you do<\/em>love me. I believe that you do miss<\/em> me, and I believe that eventually you\u2018ll be away from there, and when you will<\/em> be away from there, we will be a family again. I <\/em>will\u2013 I will not<\/em> give up on that. I believe it will happen. We will again<\/em> be a family, away<\/em> from Jim Jones, because he is not<\/em> going to be able to keep all of the people down in that jungle the way he\u2019s trying to keep\u2013 the way he\u2019s trying to keep you down there. I imagine that he\u2019s probably there listening to me right now. Is he? Over.<\/p>\n

(Distorted crosstalk; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Michelle: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>All right\u2013 all right, Michelle. Does anyone else want to talk to me? Over.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>I have your grandpa, Mickey.<\/p>\n

Mickey<\/strong>: Hi. (Unintelligible) Grandpa. Hi! I\u2019m so glad to hear you! How are you? Over.<\/p>\n

(Distorted voices; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Can I talk to him?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Uh, WD6 MID portable 8R3, WA6 D2J, did you copy, 8R3?<\/p>\n

(Multiple distorted voices; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>WD6 MID portable 8R3 with WA6 D2J in an international phone patch. Did you copy? Over.<\/p>\n

Cleave Swinney: <\/strong>Negative copy.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Could I talk?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Okay. Say it again.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Can I just talk?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Grandpa, I want you to know that I\u2019ve got your first great grandchild here. Would you like to see him? Over.<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>Negative copy.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Say it again. Say it again.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>(Slowly) Grandpa, this is Mickey. I have your first great grandchild with me. Would you like to see him when you get back to the United States? Over.<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) the most beautiful place in the world. Goodbye.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I heard that, Grandpa. All of you are telling me what a beautiful place that jungle is. That\u2019s fine. What I\u2019m telling you is that when you decide to leave there, I\u2019m here in San Francisco. I\u2019m here, waiting on you. I want to have another Christmas. I want to have another Thanksgiving. I want to have a family, and I want you all to get out of there as soon as you can. Over.<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>All right. You also (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

(Multiple distorted voices; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>That wasn\u2019t real clear, but I understand that I have to wait. I\u2019m willing to wait. I\u2019ve waited all these years, and I\u2019ll wait more. I\u2019ll wait as long as it takes for Jim Jones to give up what he\u2019s doing to you and to everybody else. Does anybody else<\/em> want to talk to me? Over.<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) I\u2019ll never come home.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay. That\u2019s all right. That\u2019s\u2013 You tell me that over the radio but I\u2013 but believe whatever you want to believe in your heart, and follow what you feel to be true to yourself. Is Grandma there? Over.<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>The thing is she does not want to talk to you, honey.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Well, tell her that her grandchild loves her. I love her and I miss her. And I wish that she would talk to me. There\u2019s nothing that I can say that would hurt her. I want to tell her that I love her and I miss her and I want to see her as soon as possible. Over.<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>(Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t hear that.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Say again, 8R3.<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>We know that there\u2019s nothing you can say that would hurt us.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay. I want to speak to Uncle Tim. Over.<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>He says he doesn\u2019t want to talk to you, child.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Well, tell Uncle Tim that I miss him and I love him and I\u2019ve got\u2013 tell\u2013 tell them all that their nephew and their grandchild is here with me. And I want them all to see him. We\u2019re family. And I want us to be a family again. Jim Jones is not strong enough to break up a family, no matter how hard he tries. It may take him a few years, but we\u2019ll get back together again. Over.<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>Negative copy. Negative copy. Repeat (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>(Unintelligible). What I said is, I have your grandchild here and your nephew here, and I don\u2019t care how many years Jim Jones tries to keep you away, he cannot break this family up forever. Nothing is stronger than the family and uh, (gust of exasperation)\u2013 Over.<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>I think he is trying to say that nobody is quite the same because you went out and left your family.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Who\u2019s talking? Who was doing that talking?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Who\u2019s uh\u2013 who is on the other end? Over.<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>Mickey, I\u2019ve (unintelligible) tied to family. The family is not the same. You ran away and left the family.<\/p>\n

Mickey to Adams: <\/strong>Is that Albert?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>You can go ahead and ask him.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Is that Albert? Over.<\/p>\n

Albert: <\/strong>Roger, Roger.<\/p>\n

(Distorted voices)<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay, Albert. You understand what it had to made you like that, Al. You understand because Jim Jones said we would be killed<\/em>. That\u2019s why. I left on my own. Albert, you can leave on your own too. You can leave just like I did. You have to make that decision yourself. You have to decide that you want to leave Peoples Temple, you have to decide that you want to leave Jim Jones. You have to decide that you\u2019re not afraid of him. You have to do it yourself. And when you decide that you want to get out of there, then just call. Just leave. You know there\u2019s a lot of people here who will help you. You don\u2019t have to stay there the rest of your lives. Nothing was telling you have to stay there. Uh, you\u2013 you will not be on\u2013 uh, you will not drop dead when you leave. He does not have a gift. He is not metaphysical. He cannot heal. You\u2013 he\u2013 you have no reason to be afraid of him. Over.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

(Squeal; distorted, unintelligible voices)<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>WD6 MID portable 8R3, did you copy?<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible background chatter on radio)<\/p>\n

(Mickey speaks to Adams in background; unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>WD6 MID portable 8R3 and WA6 D2J in an international phone patch. Traffic (unintelligible) would be appreciated. Did you copy, 8R3?<\/p>\n

Cleave: <\/strong>I said I want to go back to my little cottage here so we are really happy. (Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>That sounds like Grandpa, and if it was Grandpa, I\u2019m happy to hear your voice. I\u2019m glad\u2013 I hope that you\u2019re getting the proper medical care down there that you need. You\u2019re probably not. But I hope you are.<\/p>\n

Mickey (off the air): <\/strong>Hmm?<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Uh, Uncle Marvin is very concerned about you, and he wants me to say hello to all of you and that he misses all of you. Uncle Bob feels the same way and so do all of the Touchettes. They\u2019re all rooting<\/em> for you, and they hope that you will leave there as soon as possible. They miss you. They hold no grudges against you. They understand<\/em>. They say\u2013 they leave\u2013 they understand the sickness of Jim Jones also. Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Uh, Mickey, I don\u2019t really know what you\u2019re talking about because we just talked to Emily the other night, and for a long time (unintelligible) and uh, she was very happy for us down there. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Well, she wasn\u2019t a member of Peoples Temple the way I was, so she\u2019s\u2013 maybe she doesn\u2019t know some things. That\u2019s all right. But she still hopes that you leave the church. She hopes that you leave and she hopes you get out, as do all the rest of your family. They all miss you as a family. They all want to be a family together again. Like I said, he cannot break up a family the way he\u2019s trying to. That was one of the first<\/em> things he told us in that church was, \u201cbreak your family ties\u201d and \u201ccall your parents by their first name\u201d. And swear and uh, uh, de\u2013 deny your family ties, like I said before, and he\u2019s tried to do that within the church also. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey speaks to Adams: <\/strong>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Uh-hmm.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Uh, you guys still\u2013 the children were calling us by our first names before we even joined the Peoples Temple. I<\/em>don\u2019t know what you\u2019re talking about. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Mom, that\u2019s a lie. I never called you Joyce and I never called my father Chuck, until Jim Jones encouraged us to do that. He tried to break up the family. Now, I wanted to tell you, Mom, how much\u2013 to get away from Jim Jones. He\u2019s not the reason I called you. I called to see how you\u2019re doing, and I called to say\u2013 tell you that I love you and that I miss you. Uh, there\u2019s a lot of things that I want to talk to you about in regards to raising a child. I really want your advice on a lot of things. Uh, it\u2019s kind of hard to talk to you over the screaming like this over the radio but uh, if you can get a letter to me, if you can write to me if possible, without it being censored, do that. And if you can get\u2013 uh, just write to me if you can. Send me some private thoughts though, that he will not\u2013 that Jim Jones will not know about. Over.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/strong>Hey, Mickey, I\u2019m really tired about you talking about the best friend I have ever had. Uh, I\u2019m really tired of talking to you, but I do have some advice. You really should get married to the child\u2019s folk. Goodbye, Mickey.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Goodbye, Mother. And it was good talking to you, and I\u2019m glad to hear your voice. I\u2019m glad you\u2019re still alive, and I have not given up that you\u2019ll be back in the United States again, so that I can talk to you like my mother without having Jim Jones\u2019 interference. I want to see\u2013 I want to talk to my father. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie<\/strong>: Mickey, this is your Dad. I\u2019m not interested in talking with you any longer. Good night.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Good night, Daddy, and I know you\u2019re all interested in talking to me and I know that if Jim Jones wasn\u2019t there, you probably would have a lot<\/em> to say to me. When you come back to the United States, we\u2019ll have a lot of time to talk in private. Goodbye, and I love you all. Tell Mike that I\u2019m sorry he wouldn\u2019t talk to me. I miss him and I love him too, and the same for Albert and the same for Michelle, Grandma, Grandpa, Uncle Tim and a lot of people there. I want to how Ava\u2013 I want to know how the Cobbs are doing too. I want to know how everybody there is doing. How they\u2019re really<\/em>doing. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>I can see through you. I can see through your game. Don\u2019t\u2013 I am never <\/em>coming back to the States. Goodbye.<\/p>\n

Mickey to Adams: <\/strong>Was that Charlie? Was that Charlie?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Ask.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know if that was my father or not. Was that Charlie talking? Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, this is your father, and I am tired<\/em> of this nonsense. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay, Daddy. Call it nonsense, but I know I\u2019m telling the truth, and I know that in your heart, you<\/em> know that I\u2019m telling the truth. I want you to know that I\u2019m here in San Francisco, and I can easily be reached. Call me when you want to get out of Peoples Temple. You don\u2019t have to stay there and live that life you\u2019re living for the rest of your life. You can get out and be free and be your own person and make your own decisions. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, government people from all over the world come out and look at this place and tell us what\u2019s\u2013 how beautiful it is and what a good job we\u2019ve done here. You talk like a fool<\/em>. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I\u2019m sorry you think that, Daddy, but like I said, when you decide to leave and when you want to get out of there, come out. We\u2019re not going to give up here. Tell Jim Jones that. We\u2019re not going to give up, and he can sit back there and he can laugh and laugh and laugh, because we in the United States are going to continue until our families are returned to us. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, are you going to kidnap us? Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey<\/strong>: No, Daddy. That\u2019s your word. I didn\u2019t say that. We\u2019ll do it legally. Everything will be done legally, and like I said, Jim Jones will not be able to continue ripping up families and controlling people\u2019s minds the way he does it. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, I\u2019m an adult and I have made up my own mind. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay, but I\u2019m telling you, Daddy, that\u2019s just to keep talking to you, it\u2019s wonderful hearing your voice. It\u2019s great. I\u2019m glad that you\u2019re okay, and I\u2019m glad that you\u2019re able to at least keep talking. Uh, over.<\/p>\n

Mickey to Adams: <\/strong>Oh, there\u2019s\u2013 Hey! Can I keep talking, Tom?<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I want you to know, Daddy, that your grandson needs a grandfather and he needs his aunts and his uncles and his grandmother. And uh, as soon as you get back here, you will love<\/em> him. You can see him. He plays\u2013 he\u2013 he\u2019s a little athlete. Already he\u2019s a little athlete. And he\u2019s uh, he\u2013 he\u2013 he plays baseball. He\u2013 he tosses a tennis racket and he uh\u2013 he\u2019s a lot of fun. You would have a ball with him. You would enjoy him so much. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) Bring him down here, and we have a beautiful three bedroom home. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Well, I have a beautiful city apartment, and I did my time with Peoples Temple, and I\u2019m not going to do any more time, Daddy. I had enough of it. I don\u2019t want<\/em> Jim Jones. I don\u2019t want<\/em> Peoples Temple. I want my son out to where he can make up his mind to do what he wants to do, when he wants to do it. I don\u2019t want anyone telling him what to say over a radio. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>(Unintelligible) of hate. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I don\u2019t want no hate. All I have told you is how much I love you and how much I miss you and how much I cannot wait to see you again, and your little grandson here, he can say\u2013 he\u2019s been taught how to say Aunt Michelle, he\u2019s been taught how to say Uncle Mike, Uncle Al, Grandma and Grandpa and Uncle Tim, Aunt Ava, Aunt Sandy and Aunt Brenda, Aunt Jo\u2013 Uncle Johnny and Uncle Joel. He can say all that. He\u2019s waiting on the day when he can come ba\u2013 when all of you will come back and see him. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, what are you trying to do? You know that we use aunts and uncles and grandpas and grandmas, moms and pops, (Unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>No you\u2013 no, you don\u2019t. No, you don\u2019t. Don\u2019t even tell me that. Why did Jim Jones\u2019 own daughter [Suzanne Jones] leave the church if it\u2019s so fantastic?<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, you are a nasty little liar. You know what we do. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Daddy, I\u2019m not lying to you. You did not teach me to lie. You taught me to tell the truth<\/em>. You taught me to think for myself<\/em>. You taught me to be individualistic and you taught me to be independent. And that\u2019s what I\u2019m being right now. I\u2019m not lying. He told us to call\u2013 he told us to break family ties. He told us to call our parents by their first names, (Pause) and I don\u2019t want to adapt, I don\u2019t want to uh\u2013 I don\u2019t want to be what somebody else tells me to be. I\u2019m Mickey Touchette, and for me to adapt to Jim Jones\u2019 way of living is sick and degenerate. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>I said, I would not teach you to get involved in drugs and violent revolutions. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>You\u2019re right. You never taught me to do that, and I never did it. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>You are a liar<\/em>. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Well, Daddy, if that can all be proven, please do it. Please prove it. Tell Jim Jones to produce records that shows me getting involved in that type of thing. When I left the church, he told you that I was in jail. Make him prove to you that\u2013 the jail copies. I never did anything like that. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, I didn\u2019t know that you was in jail. Were you in jail? Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>No, I wasn\u2019t, but Jim Jones said I was. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>That\u2019s another lie, Mickey. That\u2019s another lie. I didn\u2019t know you were in jail. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Like I said, Daddy, I wasn\u2019t, but the\u2013 if I had been in jail, then the copies could be proven. Daddy, look at us. Me and you are fighting. Daughter and father are fighting over Jim Jones, Daddy. That\u2019s not even right. It\u2019s not natural. I don\u2019t want to talk to you like this. I want to tell you how much I love you and I want to talk to you about raising my child and about you being a grandfather. That\u2019s what I\u2019m interested in. I want to know if you can ever leave the church. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Be (unintelligible). I\u2019ve got five acres. You\u2019ve got an apartment. Why don\u2019t you come down here? Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I have no desire to go down there. I want you all to come back up into the United States. I know you want to leave, Daddy, and that\u2019s all\u2013 that\u2019s good enough for me. When you decide to, I\u2019m here in San Francisco, and this con\u2013 I know what this conversation means, and I know what\u2019s prompting it. That\u2019s okay. That\u2019s okay, I understand. I love you and I miss you. Nobody understands Peoples Temple and Jim Jones better than people who have gone through it, than ex-members. When you decide to leave, I\u2019m here. I\u2019m waiting for you. Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, any psychologist could tell that you\u2019re filled with hate, and I don\u2019t want to live in your apartment. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay, but I want you to know that if I can, if there\u2019s any way I can get down there, I\u2019ll try to get to Guyana to see you. Will Jim Jones pay my way there and back? Over. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Negative copy. Negative copy. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>It figures that<\/em> would be a negative copy. I\u2013 I wanted to know that I\u2019ll try to get to you in Guyana, whichever way I can. Will Jim Jones pay my way there and back? Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, with all the hate that you have, I wouldn\u2019t let him pay your way down here and back. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>I have no hate, Daddy. I have no hate. I\u2019ll go even if I have to pay my own way, and if I do, then what will you do? Over.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Fine, fine, Mickey. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey (Off the air): <\/strong>Fine. Over.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>How are you, Daddy? Besides all that, what do you do with your time during the day? I\u2019m interested to know how you live. Over. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/strong>Mickey, I\u2019m finished with this conversation. I\u2019m finished with this combin\u2013 conversation. Terminate the phone patch.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/strong>Okay. WA6 D2J, terminating phone patch with WB6 MID portable 8R3.<\/p>\n

Mickey: <\/strong>Okay. (Unintelligible).<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

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