{"id":122254,"date":"2023-03-30T16:42:24","date_gmt":"2023-03-30T23:42:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=122254"},"modified":"2023-03-30T16:47:54","modified_gmt":"2023-03-30T23:47:54","slug":"jonestown-feb-meeting-on-albatross-13-aug-78","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=122254","title":{"rendered":"Jonestown FEB meeting on <i>Albatross<\/i>, 13 Aug 78"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[Handwritten notation at top of page: &#8220;Dad&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>FEB [Finance Evaluation Board] MEETING WITH [Richard] JANARO \u2013 re Albatross<\/p>\n<p>13 August 78 Sunday morning<\/p>\n<p>Attendance: Johnny Jones, James Morrell [Bogue], Charlie Touchette, Jan Wilsey, Harold Bogue, Kay Nelson, Gene Chaikin, Jack Beam, Tish Leroy, Mike Prokes, Richard Janaro and Lee Ingram came in late\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Also attending: Carolyn Layton, Sarah [Harriet] Tropp, Helen Swinney, Cleve [Cleave] Swinney and Mike Touchette (who came in last hour of meeting.)<\/p>\n<p>Agenda: Need to determine the position we shall assume in dealing with the Captain and the crew.<\/p>\n<p>Who is going into town: as Capt., as Engineer, as negotiators representing the Board with Richard. (Boat leaving Wed.)<\/p>\n<p>Rules we can reasonably exercise and still keep the crew.<\/p>\n<p>Evaluations of the engineer \u2013 list that can be handed to Dad along with our other recommendations.<\/p>\n<p>Board: It was decided we could use people in town as &#8220;representatives of our Board,&#8221; in dealing with Rambaren and Captain. Recommendations to Dad: RICHARD JANARO, ARMANDO [AMONDO] GRIFFITHS, BILLY OLIVER, SHARON AMOS AND VERSIE PERKINS.<\/p>\n<p>Rules: Of primary importance they be notified that Richard is our primary liaison person and he is to be notified <u>immediately<\/u> if the problem is major or <u>minor<\/u>. In talking with them, make it a BOARD emphasis so that Richard does not become the bad guy \u2013 but if representing the Board which is a non-visible factor.<\/p>\n<p>Rule: <u>No passengers at sea, for insurance reasons<\/u>. Unanimous\u2026<\/p>\n<p>It was generally agreed that they should be allowed to have some guests on board while in port. However, though the other boats all do this \u2013 Jack inclined to dissent with group on the issue.<\/p>\n<p>Kay thought [we] should see what other boats do \u2013 Richard and CT said that there is much permissiveness and most of them do have women on board. (On our ship, the crew is mostly homosexual along with the cook, and the Captain, meet and engineer are the ones who have ladies on board \u2013 and are the only ones with quarters that allow this.)<\/p>\n<p>Log: Morrell commented that everything should be logged in daily in the ships log; wants it open to our inspection. Certain people should be assigned to check it if Richard is not there \u2013 BUT MANDATORY THEY BE INSTRUCTED THAT IT IS MARINE LAW THAT THE SHIPS LOG CANNOT LEAVE THE SHIP!<\/p>\n<p>Home port: Jack is opposed to the Capt\u00a0 and crew staying on board nights while in home port. Feels we should post a watch and send the<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-2-<\/p>\n<p>crew to their homes.<\/p>\n<p>Rebuttal of this by most of group to the effect that they are &#8220;used&#8221; to their own activities, I don&#8217;t want to be going home. Capt has wives in both ports and has ladies on board as further entertainment for himself\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Further, the Capt takes responsibility for the boat when no cargo on board \u2013 otherwise will take our own people as watchpersons.<\/p>\n<p>Helen feels we should keep our own log, as well as that of the Captain in which we record all the goes on while on the ship. This task would be assigned to the person or persons we have living on board.<\/p>\n<p>Richard feels we will immediately lose our key people if we have stringent port rules\u2026 since they are the offenders and are the ones who bring on board their guests.<\/p>\n<p>CT said that captains are hard to enlist \u2013 we looked before<\/p>\n<p>Richard pointed out that most sea captains are very divisive \u2013 that this one is conscientious about receipts and seems to be careful in handling business matters. The issue of bearing was likely his loyalty was tied to where he was expecting to be working \u2013 namely for Rambaren\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Jan thinks we should have another Captain.<\/p>\n<p>Jack feels the Captain of the Watch is not going to be watching the boat if they are partying on board\u2026<\/p>\n<p>CT pointed out that when the boat came into Port Kaituma and the Captain Was moving it around, the PT people watching felt he did a poor job in docking the boat\u2026 He is not that <u>proficient<\/u> with the boat said CT.<\/p>\n<p>Generally a consensus that PT people on board would inhibit the crew to a degree\u2026 The whole crew is homosexual and open about it \u2013 were patting our men on the butt, etc. when they were in the Port.<\/p>\n<p>Morrell asked if the Capt has any influence in getting the loads for us \u2013 No, responded Richard. He deals with the stevedores and maintains good relations with docking and loading the boat, but the agent is the one who gets the loads\u2026 and Richard follows up on that to see that the load is as complete as possible\u2026 the Trinidad agent doesn&#8217;t get full loads\u2026 Rambaren use to complete it, and Richard is doing this also\u2026 He got names of people to contact and has made some contacts. Hadf set things up for the Georgetown-Trinidad run.<\/p>\n<p>Johnny suggested we contact Da Silva and he might keep it under his hat and he might let us know what can be found out about our captain\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Richard revealed that a critical situation might exist in our relations with De Silva\u2026<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-3-<\/p>\n<p>It seems that we went in and negotiated deductions on the cost of the Cudjoe. We went down the line and checked off all of the things on our list. DeSilva I thought we would or had split the costs. The Cudjoe had wrecked part of his dock and he had not had us pay for it \u2013 no charges against us were made. But Richard had argued with him that we were not a profit-making organization, etc.\u2026 After this, Richard doesn&#8217;t know how friendly DeSilva is, since he conceded to us and was not at all happy about it. [Marginal note: &#8220;This was when the Cudjoe caught fire some months back!&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>All agreed that Richard should have been on the radio to Dad about this the minute that conference was over\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Richard said his instruction was NOT TO PAY ANYTHING RELATIVE TO THE FIRE\u2026<\/p>\n<p>It was pointed out that Dad had been given bad input on the situation. Somebody had told Dad that it was to be done free. PR needed: WITH DESILVA, JOHNNY THINKS SOME FENCE MENDING SHOULD BE DONE.<\/p>\n<p>Last time Richard was in there, DeSilva said hello but was not very warm as he had formerly been. That was a few weeks ago when some repairs were needed on minor things.<\/p>\n<p>Best contact: Gene\u00a0 said that DeSilva was worth about 15 persons in contacts. We can or should consider our best contacts in Guyana\u2026<\/p>\n<p>CT agrees\u2026 DeSilva has done more for us than anyone in Guyana. If we blow his good will, we may have cost ourselves $50,000 worth of favors, said CT.<\/p>\n<p>He has given us stuff that would have cost us thousands of dollars.<\/p>\n<p>Helen said he has given to us and helped us many times. He went through the whole thing on boats and helped us to establish the values on the various boats.<\/p>\n<p>Charlie is very upset that the relationship is strained.<\/p>\n<p>We used his equipment and work at his dock and he never charged us a dime \u2013 it should have cost us a minimum of $100 docking fees for two years\u2026 per month\u2026 TISH [two illegible words] TO PREPARE A MEMO TO DAD FOR JOHNNY ON THIS ISSUE. IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT STEPS BE TAKEN TO RESTORE THE PR WITH DESILVA.<\/p>\n<p>It is to be noted further that Rambaren and DeSilva are very good friends.<\/p>\n<p>Summary at this point\u2026<\/p>\n<p>1) We have $12,000 in parts that Rambaren probably knows he&#8217;s not going to get back anyway\u2026<\/p>\n<p>2) Richard thinks tell him we are disappointed that he did not convey that information to us about the bearing. Further, Richard thinks Rambaran\u00a0 will deny this\u2026 But if the committee<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-4-<\/p>\n<p>tells him, he will at least have the idea that this is our opinion of him. This may be good or bad\u2026<\/p>\n<p>3) We want to keep Rambaran as an ally to get future business contacts. He has been helpful in this regard.<\/p>\n<p>4) Richard express[ed] his personal regrets at not having been able to get other contacts. He should have known enough by now or by the end of July to establish himself.<\/p>\n<p>Richard expressed his intense personal drive to do the best for this family possible and that he hadn&#8217;t always been able to do it and it depressed him greatly.<\/p>\n<p>Summary: John summarized that we should just let Rambaran know that &#8220;we know he screwed us\u2026&#8221; that we want to continue the contact, but don&#8217;t want to continue asking for more of the same\u2026 SHOULD TAKE THE ONE BEARING THAT WE LEFT IN HIS STORE HOUSE ALSO, THAT IS PURCHASED FOR THE ALBATROSS. We should not have left this behind in the bin.<\/p>\n<p>Ujara: Jack thinks that Ujara [Don Sly] is very insensitive\u2026 Helen commented on Ujara\u2019s taking Dramamine on board\u2026 thinks it might affect his judgment\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Tim S.: CT suggested Tim Swinney as an alternate Captain trainee after Philip [Blakey] is trained. Should have a backup\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Gene thought the Captain should make several trips as engineer. Richard agreed, coordination of responsibilities.<\/p>\n<p>ENGINEER: The CHIEF ENGINEER deals with the crew more, [words crossed out: &#8220;makes less money.&#8221;] Suggested training Philip as Chief Engineer first without being open as training him for Captain?<\/p>\n<p>Sea Time: This is a major requisite\u2026 Ujara doesn&#8217;t have the time unless his Navy time as a seaman can count\u2026 Gene thinks it can. Richard doesn&#8217;t think so \u2013 no one knows. Gene since if a deck hand will qualify \u2013 CT agreed.<\/p>\n<p>Kay expressed we really need two persons for every slot \u2026 so we can alternate.<\/p>\n<p>Sarah agreed, but NOT ON BOARD AT THE SAME TIME\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Ujara: Jack personally does not trust Ujara&#8217;s overall judgment.<\/p>\n<p>Cleve agrees: he rode with Ujara to Georgetown and Ujara had his eyes on the river but the boat started toward the bank\u2026 and when he got it back he just laid on the wheel\u2026 Clifford [Gieg] came out and asked what is going on? you almost hit the bush\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Morrell mentioned that when coming across from the states toward the last Ujara got so tired he could hardly stay awake but insisted on staying behind the wheel\u2026 it seemed to be an ego thing, and he was endangering life and property.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-5-<\/p>\n<p>Richard thinks that on the buses \u2013 Ujara was insensitive\u2026 thinks he will be insensitive with the crew and passengers and has been on the Cudjoe\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Santos dock (PR PROBLEM): Richard has had complaints against Ujara at J.T. Santos\u2019 dock. He was calling up J.T. Santos&#8217; wife and asked for the gate to open after closing hours\u2026 and dismissed the trucks from the dock.<\/p>\n<p>J.T. Santos compares with some of our best benefactors in town. Ujara has been a sore spot with him.<\/p>\n<p>Johnny questioned why Richard had not mentioned all of this before when he knew that Ujara was being sent into town to build up a trucking business? Why did he wait to report it AT ALL!<\/p>\n<p>Richard responded that Philip and handled the trucking business okay\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Johnny said that a lot in your PR has to do with how you come over to people\u2026 WE COULD HAVE GIVEN HIM MORE POINTERS ON HIS PR IF HAD THE REPORTS FROM RICHARD.<\/p>\n<p>Engineer: Don&#8217;t know if Philip can qualify since he doesn&#8217;t know the Lister on board\u2026 He would do okay with the functional part of greasing, checking oil levels, etc. THE LISTER IS VERY IMPORTANT\u2026 This requires a mechanic who knows generators.<\/p>\n<p>Maria query: Has been approached by Captain\u2013 Asking about payroll since Richard is not there \u2026 and said he needs food for the boat. Richard said payroll due on 15th and 30th. She should take about $1500 out of the bank in cash and sit down with the Captain who will go over the salaries with her, meticulously\u2026 he will tell her exactly what is owed to each. Takes about 1\/2 hour of time. Give him $50 advance for petty cash food items, and he will give Richard the receipts and accounting at the end of the month. Problem of the telex \u2013 Richard to radio (and later was decided he should call the agent in Gtn. [Georgetown] himself and that the agent arrange for the parts arrival in from Holland as the agent could get them immediately through customs as ships stores\u2026 without a hassle and without charge.). Carl Xavier (Severe) ar John Fernandes could handle this for us.<\/p>\n<p>CT said that the way Sonney Van Sleitman has his parts, he orders through this agent in Surinam who has them come in to Sonny wherever he is, Gtn or\u2026 and this avoids customs way it is handled. Comes in as ships stores.<\/p>\n<p>Chief Engr: Richard thinks it will be a problem to have Philip train as engineer\u2026<\/p>\n<p>CT mentioned that in landing, it takes another to steer, another to give directions (captain), the chief engineer on the bow to pull in the bowlines\u2026 it takes at least three to land the ship\u2026 the captain, chief engineer and the mate\u2026<\/p>\n<p>If you train Philip by himself, how will he train 3 others?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-6-<\/p>\n<p>How can he train the three others how to land the boat which is the most important problem?<\/p>\n<p>Lose crew?: Gene and CT agreed that if we start coming down with rules, will lose the crew immediately.<\/p>\n<p>CT said the engine room is very small \u2013 let one of our people learn to run the boat the other to learn the engine room\u2026<\/p>\n<p>John said the only reason is that the captain must learn to coordinate the engine room and must learn the docking process.<\/p>\n<p>CT said we must train seamen, and there must be someone to train our people to be seamen. You have to KNOW how to handle the lines to bring that big boat into dock\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike Touchette had just come into the meeting and commented that the only time the captain knows what&#8217;s going on in the engine room is when the engineer tells him\u2026<\/p>\n<p>It was determined that AS AN EMERGENCY MATTER, TIM SWINNEY &#8220;MUST&#8221; GET HIS CAPTAIN\u2019S LICENSE FOR CUDJOE AS STANDBY FOR PHILIP\u2026<\/p>\n<p>UJARA: Is a 2nd choice on board because of the previous commentary in these minutes. Do not consider him a first choice for the engineering position \u2013 and do not feel he is a choice for captain unless last resort.<\/p>\n<p>IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WHOEVER IS ON BOARD, they are apt to get involved in the morality problems of the crew and we have to consider that \u2013 though with Helen on board this might or might not be helped\u2026 Does he know the Lister?<\/p>\n<p>BRUCE [Oliver]: Too many mistakes with equipment and this causes us a lot of extra down time. BRUCE IS A 3RD CHOICE\u2026<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2013 CT recalled that Bruce use cardboard in fuel tank, and is a big no-no<br \/>\n\u2013 use hex nut on fuel system, another no-no<br \/>\n\u2013 blue up tires though warned too much air in them\u2026<br \/>\n\u2013 gets extremely defensive<br \/>\n\u2013 lady\u2019s man and would be roving very likely<br \/>\n\u2013 would be influenced by morals of crew (problem with anyone)<br \/>\n\u2013 doesn&#8217;t mind work \u2013 and never has an attitude when gotten up in middle of the night for critical problems. Others do\u2026<br \/>\n\u2013 Does have ties in Jonestown \u2013 wife. How strong is it?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>MIKE T.: Mike was present and was told frankly that we were concerned about his temperament, temper and the attitude he cops and that when he gets mad you will do whatever anyone says whether or not it is right. [Marginal note: &#8220;now he has flip-flopped altogether&#8221;]<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2013 he shows temperament and the opposite passive extreme.<br \/>\n\u2013 migraines, which are manipulative<br \/>\n\u2013 hates to leave Jonestown says CT<br \/>\n\u2013 Richard says Mike knows Gtn like no one else; that the merchants there like him; but is like tiger in canary cage\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-7-<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2013 Mike is quick to learn and could handle the mechanical end of it probably much better than anyone\u2026<br \/>\n\u2013 He has ties in Jonestown<br \/>\n\u2013 However, is our primary CAT MECHANIC\u2026 if he is gone, who will handle the mechanics on the cats? Don&#8217;t think Simon is that proficient\u2026 and there is too much on the driving of the cat that the others are not really ready to handle.<br \/>\n\u2013 don\u2019t what to put Stephen [Stephan Jones] in the capacity of having to be on the cat full-time\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Irving Perkins: \u2013 is in the states of course; our best diesel mechanic\u2026 Would have to come into Jonestown for a while at least.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2013 also is a lady\u2019s man and would wander; it has been his pattern. Don&#8217;t feel we can consider him for the boat right now.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>James Evans: HE WOULD BE VERY GOOD, all agreed but there is the problem of meeting him to come into Jonestown for a while\u2026 Cannot consider him now. His wife is in the states with him and is needed there.<\/p>\n<p>Diane W.\u00a0 [Wilkinson]: An entertainer and organist \u2013 don&#8217;t feel we can send her.<\/p>\n<p>Al Simon: Is very hung up on his wife; she wanders; if anything happened he might not be able to make it.<\/p>\n<p>Ujara: Lacks in finesse and PR. Ray Fernandes says too demanding and doesn&#8217;t follow instructions. Richard says Ujara follows directions only when he is there. Is very hung up on Sylvia and wants to be in Jtn part of the week.<\/p>\n<p>Tim S. [Swinney]:\u00a0 No ties in Jonestown<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2013 excellent mechanical abilitie<br \/>\n\u2013 Doesn&#8217;t like to be away from here and has a lot of repressed hostility\u2026 been known to tear a door off the hinge and take a hammer and knock a hole in the hold\u2026<br \/>\n\u2013 crew is mostly East Indian, might or might not take his temperament\u2026<br \/>\n\u2013 Only one can certify as captain on the Cudjoe\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Al Bell: Had a bad time with him in Georgetown\u2026<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>He lamented every day does not want to be away from wife and the children.<br \/>\n\u2013 Is very negative with his mouth.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Al Touchette: \u2013 not that mechanical<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2013 good utility person on the farm<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Clifford [Gieg]: \u2013 xlent but not black<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2013 Is best understudy on the river<br \/>\n\u2013 At his age, should be checking into Jtn regularly\u2026<br \/>\n\u2013 Consider him NOT A CANDIDATE<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>L.C. Mitchell: Too new to Jonestown<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2013 Very high blood pressure<br \/>\n\u2013 Is hard worker and good mechanic, but works better under<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-8-<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>structure.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>James Evans: \u2013 Nice temperament<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2013 good PR<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[line crossed out]<\/p>\n<p>Irving Perkins: \u2013 Is too flighty and tight with the ladies\u2026<\/p>\n<p>others might be available\u2026 Johnny to make an announcement telling others to submit their qualifications.<\/p>\n<p>Gordon Lockett, Ellihue Dennis, and Francis [Frances] Davis&#8217; husband were mentioned.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[Handwritten notation at top of page: &#8220;Dad&#8221;] FEB [Finance Evaluation Board] MEETING WITH [Richard] JANARO \u2013 re Albatross 13 August 78 Sunday morning Attendance: Johnny Jones, James Morrell [Bogue], Charlie Touchette, Jan Wilsey, Harold Bogue, Kay Nelson, Gene Chaikin, Jack Beam, Tish Leroy, Mike Prokes, Richard Janaro and Lee Ingram came in late\u2026 Also attending: [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":0,"parent":122249,"menu_order":3,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-122254","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/122254","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=122254"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/122254\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":122258,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/122254\/revisions\/122258"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/122249"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=122254"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}