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This tape was transcribed by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> \u2013coming in to discuss projects with us. This place must be very, very clean. I ask and uh, request and demand that public services get on as much as possible immediately\u2013<\/p>\n

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The news of the day.<\/p>\n

Prime Minister [Forbes] Burnham to give assurances to the Guyanese living in Great Britain, England, or the United Kingdom, said when it is indeed evident that in the oppressive conditions of England, your life is no bed of roses. It has brought considerable wrath from the British in what they consider an intrusion into their affairs. The lackey of the USA. That was the advice they got from the prime minister, Forbes Burnham, who has been consistently faithful to the causes of blacks and other minorities throughout the world. Mr. Burnham, as you know, visited some time ago the Soviet Union, North Korea, East Germany and England. Burnham\u2019s call to the Guyanese and other black Caribbeans and Indian Caribbeans in England was to tell it like it is to the world. His letter was read to nearly one thousand people at the Kensington town hall in London, gathering of blacks and Asians, Indians, minorities, who are protesting the mounting<\/em> racism and neo-fascism that is sweeping United Kingdom or England. As you know, the prospects are likely that there will be a conservative government, the Labor Party will be put out in the fall, meaning that one white woman, Margaret Thatcher, has promised the electorate that she will expel all people of color from her country and bar any immigrants of color into England. A fascist, reactionary measure of the first magnitude.<\/p>\n

Anyway, Britain came back with firm criticisms and stated that life under Dr. Burnham and his PNC, Peoples National Congress, was no picnic. England criticized power failures that the Guyanese people had suffered some weeks ago, which have not been very evident of late. Prime Minister Burnham fired back that while he had been in London, there were a series of blackouts at the hotels and in the sector of London, one of the major modern capitals of the world, where he stayed and his delegation stayed. He said the risk of crime to the persons of his delegation was higher than in Georgetown, the poverty was noticeably more because of the terrible weather that USA and England has, the old people were suffering considerably<\/em> more than this so-called modern capitalist state that has been exi\u2013 in existence almost since time immemorial.<\/p>\n

They referred also to the policy of Burnham banning certain food imports which Guyana can produce locally. Some food items would not appear again on the shelves in Guyana, said English newspapers in scathing attacks against Burnham. England and USA are close<\/em> allies, as you know, thus indicating the mood no doubt of the reactionaries in USA. The English papers said that such commodities would never be available again. Burnham said they can be produced and will<\/em> be produced in Guyana. Prime Minister Burnham said a country like Guyana had no right to import salt fish from white rich corporations when it has vast marine resources, and with its agricultural resources, should and will<\/em> have no future food problems, while England will be faced with real dire emergencies in food. Black eye, he said, had once been imported into Guyana. When its importation was stopped, black eye was grown both for local consumption and for export. And that\u2019s borne out today in Guyana news with 3000 bags coming in from the interior to J.P. Santos, one of the largest distributors and friends of Peoples Temple, for utilization of uh, people in Georgetown area. Prime Minister Burnham said Guyana ha\u2013 as a developing nation with her socialist perspective, will not sit down and merely complain. Guyanese in Britain, as you know, recently presented Prime Minister Burnham with a plaque to mark the deaths of 11 Guyanese who died when a CIA element sabotaged a Cubana airliner, which plunged into the sea off Barbados, killed 73 persons, on October o\u2013 over a year ago, in 1976, in fact.<\/p>\n

Other news. The government of the PNC with its new referendum in hand, giving it the power to strengthen its constitution and establish a socialist government with firm power to rule, has ha\u2013 given the high court judge a mandate to deal harshly with all people caught stealing from public agencies. Comrade Bacchus, one of the people in the Demerara Tobacco Company that was formerly held by white capitalists and now is owned by the government of Guyana, the people of Guyana, is said\u2013 is saying that the lack of collective concern has resulted in a substantial loss of production in the tobacco industry, a problem that some see here, in Jonestown, who have little<\/em>concern, it seems, for your own property, when you can see more direct results than any collective on earth<\/em>, and it\u2019s really dreadful.<\/p>\n

You\u2019re cutting yourself off from all kinds of opportunities. Movies, entertainment, music, it could be gotten, increased variety of foods, because you do not work at your capacity, and you will not take responsibility for the waste that goes on. In uh, surveying last evening, I hear that there\u2019s waste in many areas, that some mechanics replace new parts that could be actually rebuilt. That we have waste in the fields has been heard for days, where people will pass over, do damage, cut vital plants. We must demand, and do, an urgent review as the Demerara Tobacco Board, nationalized by the socialist government, is demanding with a increase in production beyond all of the previous records, even when it was privately owned.<\/p>\n

Guyana is celebrating a national holiday tomorrow, the birthday of the African freedom fighter and all<\/em> of those held in political exile in Union of South Africa and Rhodesia. Particularly, tomorrow is the birthday of one Nelson Mandela, that has been held without trial, no jury trial, imposed dictatorship, the Union of South A\u2013 Africa has placed one Nelson Mandela in jail in 1964, and he has never had a review by the courts. This horrible fascist regime is being taken on\u2013 head on in more brave manners than we have seen heretofore in Guyana. The Guyana Broadcasting Network called the regimes of Rhodesia and of Ian Smith, white who\u2019s imposing his rule on blacks, even though they\u2019re outnumbered, whites, 14 to one, the same in [Union of South] Africa, where 87 percent, nearly nine out of ten are people of color. Guyana called the regimes of Smith (briefly turns head from mic) and [Johannes] Vorster, dictators, the dictator of South Africa, Smith, the dictator over Rho\u2013 Rhodesia, that is rightfully called Zimbabwe, where the true government is the Patriotic Front under Joshua Nkomo and Robert Mugabe. Guyana Broadcasting Network calls them oppressive and fascistic.<\/p>\n

Two hundred teachers \u2013 that should be checked in by our radio, to see if we\u2019re\u2013 have any representative \u2013 are to participate tomorrow, I believe, in a seminar on diagnostic testing. We should have representative in this. One of the comrades that came through here, Mary Rodgers, is participating, she was such a beautiful woman, as you remember. She told how under white rule, US and British rule here, even her own household, her lighter skin sisters of hers went to one school and brothers, she told of how she was beaten mercilessly with buggy whips by the white oppressor, and yet she was so beautifully sweet to all, white, black, whatever the race, as she worked her way through talking and touching and embracing people, as one of the high board members of the Peoples National Congress, the vanguard of socialism, the ruling party that our Prime Minister Burnham belongs to, and the chairman of it is our good friend, the deputy prime minister, Dr. Ptolemy Reid.<\/p>\n

Management is given a mandate over Guyana Broadcasting Network by the government to get out of bureaucracy paper-writing, memorandums, and get involved with the people, cut down cost and involve themselves on the s\u2013 equal level with their workers in all of the socialist, nationalized factories, industries and stores. This mandate was uh, issued from the prime minister\u2019s office. As I said, the high court will not stand by and see\u2013 in the words of Guyana Broadcasting Network, and see agencies of government line their pockets with money meant for the poor. In Guyana\u2019s solid effort, as Guyana Broadcasting Network said, to bring equality economically to all people in this great country of Guyana.<\/p>\n

An adult education associate official in charge of adult education in Guyana was demanded to repay, make restitution, for some 2400 dollars that she had fraudulently misused, and if she does that within a certain few days, she will be given time off, because she has never\u2013 she\u2019ll be on probation, she has never been s\u2013 previously sentenced. But her name is being held up to what Guyana Broadcasting Network called, public ridicule.<\/p>\n

Korean reunification, which is of course contrary to the interest of USA, because USA cruelly divided Korea. All the people prefer the People\u2019s Democratic Republic of North Korea. USA came in to South Korea, imposed one of the worst dictators in history, who has thousands<\/em> of political prisoners. Many have disappeared, never to be seen again by their families. They had been cruelly tortured by the KCIA, an auxiliary of the dread CIA of US imperialism.
\nA new meeting was being held and highly broadcast over Guyana Broadcasting Studios in New Amsterdam town hall for 4 pm this afternoon. I do not know whether it\u2019s possible, the radio could check if any of our persons could be possible to be there to make it known that we are there.<\/p>\n

The socialist constitution is moving fastly ahead. Different committees are formed under the direct guidance of the prime minister and cabinet ministers to bring about guarantees of the referendum of a purely socialist constitution, said Guyana Broadcasting Studios.<\/p>\n

A bill is<\/em> being introduced to extend the life of Parliament for fifteen months. Even the opposition, PPP, as well as the PNC. This of course would forestall elections for 15 months, which in this climate well could be in the best interest of national unity.<\/p>\n

A large delegation of youth, the Guyana National Services, the commander [Lee] who has been very friendly to us, has said in fact that the entire Guyana National Services has modeled many of its efforts after Jonestown. And other youth from various sectors of Guyana are headed for Cuba in a few days for an International Festival of Solidarity of socialist nations, and particular emphasis will be upon solidarity of socialist nations in the Caribbean, which of course would mean only Guyana, Cuba and Jamaica, struggling as they are, under the bondage of the International Monetary Fund. Zambia, though, who has been in the position of having to apply for International Monetary Fund aid, as you know yesterday, made some sharp\u2013 (short laugh) very<\/em> sharp statements about USA. So they\u2019ve not been intimidated. Unfortunately, Jamaica did not have as strong a hold on its means of production and means of distribution, and therefore was much more vulnerable to the manipulations of the monopoly capitalists from Europe and Ame\u2013 North America that control the International Monetary Fund. International Monetary Fund has been resisted in Guyana on the basis that that will not allow foreign domination of any productive areas, they will not allow meddling in their banking system, and up till now, have refused all efforts of IMF to devalue their money.<\/p>\n

Economic\u2013 Economic summit meeting continues in Bonn, West Germany, that prides itself on being the inheritor of Adolf Hitler, the barbarian\u2019s Third Reich. This includes Japan, West Germany, Italy, USA, Canada, England and France. The news of Guyana Broadcasting Studios says that the great seven capitalist [nations] are faced with economic stagnation and mass unemployment, due to the growing protectionism. At this point, it is not determined whether Japan, who has the surplus, the one nation that is prospering more than the rest, selling more than they\u2019re buying, that is, exporting more than they\u2019re importing, whether they\u2019ve agreed to change any of their protectionist policies. Other minor capitalist nations such as Australia are reacting to the European Common Market, who Australia accuses of showing no interest in the welfare of other capitalist nations. So protectionism is growing, and the European Common Market and Japan and USA\u2019s [Jimmy] Carter fears that it will be a reaction\u2013 there\u2019ll be a reaction of protectionism which was characteristic of the history prior to World War I in USA. Carter expressed some hope that they will be able to avoid any major breakdown of the capitalist economic system in the next months ahead.<\/p>\n

The Arab Nations, the oil league, particularly OPEC, are threatening again to review prices. No commentary on that. No basis was given, but perhaps it\u2019s over the recent developments in Yemen that have not been resisted by USA, and the Arab League, made up of feudalistic monarchies, are very, very concerned over the fact that the Organization for African Unity, made up of 49 leading nations of Africa, the heads of state today, in spite of great pressure from USA, which was getting great pressure from the Arabs to impose sanctions and an indictment of the Cuban freedom fighters that have gone in to Africa, the 49 nations refused<\/em> in a clear vast majority, they refused to make any resolution condemning Cuba in Africa, and in fact, made a resolution that each and every African state can call on Cuba or any other nation that will assist them, in liberation from oppression whenever and at whatever time they choose. The 49 nations have been meeting in Khartoum, overlooking the beautiful Nile. The foreign ministers. Now, this week, the heads of state of the 49 leading African nations will meet. This vote and decision was a clear setback to USA policy.<\/p>\n

Today, being that Zambia so bravely yesterday stood up to US imperialism and defended Cuba\u2019s right in uh, involvement in Africa and uh, defended the African unity forces, that a pan-African force should be set up to help with the liberation of the blacks under the oppressive USA-supported Union of South Africa and Rhodesia.<\/p>\n

Where is Zambia? South central Africa. To the northwest is Zaire, where one of the few puppets that are left in Africa prevail, and even he distrusts the white man. Mobuto Sese Seko. To the northwest is Zaire. To the northeast is Tanzania, who blistered USA last week for its oppressive colonialistic policies. To the east is Malawi \u2013 M-a-l-a-w-i \u2013 southeast is the Marxist, pro-Soviet state of Mozambique. M-o-z-a-m-b-i-q-u-e. To the south, the white racist regime of Ian Smith and Rhodesia, that the black people proudly call Zimbabwe. And also to the south is Botswana, that was considered a safe, little puppet territory of Union of South Africa, but it has given a clear course of independence from that dread regime and has spoke out with increasing demands for liberation of all<\/em> blacks in South Africa. To the west, the Angolan socialist republic, pro-Soviet country was freed with direct intervention of Cuban forces when it was being oppressed by USA, the CIA was working clandestinely and unfortunately, China, with its horrid<\/em> foreign policy, was also supporting the capitalist and very biased religious nationalist opposition in Angola.<\/p>\n

How was Zambia created? Part of the empire built by Cecil Rhodes. Northern Rhodesia became a British protectorate in 1924. Cecil Rhodes\u2019 son, by the way, was killed going though Rhodesia recently, he was killed by activists of the Patriotic Front, for still trying to perread\u2013 promote white rule and white racism. His only heir, Cecil Rhodes, the great magnate, colonialist, corporate leader, man of wealth, who had the name Rhodesia\u2013 the country of Rhodesia was named after that oppressor, Cecil Rhodes. Anyway, Northern Rhodesia became a British protectorate, so-called, a colonial possession, really, in 1924. In 1953, the area was made part of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland \u2013 N-y-a-s-a-l-a-n-d \u2013 but extensive agitation led to its independence, in spite of US and British opposition, on October 24, 1964, at which time Northern Rhodesia became the Republic of Zambia. Z-a-m-b-i-a. The people preferred to have their country named after the Zambesi \u2013 Z-a-m-b-e-s-i \u2013 River, rather than the detested and hated racist colonialist, Cecil Rhodes.<\/p>\n

What is the size of our sister nation Zambia in Africa? 290,586 square miles. You can get an idea there, about four times larger than Guyana, but unfortunately, it has many times more \u2013 five to six times \u2013 larger population. Its population is 4,850,000, and opposed to 800,000 in Guyana, in the rich fertile area with 83,000 square miles here. What are\u2013 What is the population bra\u2013 breakdown? Mostly African, with the Bantu \u2013 B-a-n-t-u \u2013 tribes, which are 98.5 percent. European white constitute 1.1 percent, and are treated very well. Other races are only four-tenths of one percent. Mostly animist, people who revere nature in their religion, but with over 15 percent Christian and some Hindus and Muslims, but for the most part, this great people has kept its native religion of animism and has resisted the imposition of racist religious elements of Hinduism, the Muslims, and particularly, white Christianity.<\/p>\n

Who rules? President Kenneth Kaunda \u2013 K-a-u-n-d-a \u2013 been a good friend of Prime Minister Burnham, who elected\u2013 who was elected by universal adult democratic vote, universal adult suffrage. The legislative assembly has 105 members, 100 elected by universal suffrage, and five nominated by the president. As you know, Zambia has been put under heavy pressure by US imperialists, as Carter dumped cheaply a surplus that USA had of copper to refill it\u2013 reduce the copper prices on the world market, and Kaunda had been unfortunately not diversified enough in its economy, and its entire economy depended upon copper, but amazingly it has survived and still stands up bravely against the imposition of USA and Britain.<\/p>\n

Who really rules? Kaunda has rearranged\u2013 was uh\u2013 has arranged rather for the gradual national takeover of foreign-owned copper mining companies, and foreign oil production companies. Zambia has nationalized billion dollar industries, causing disputes with Britain and USA and other capitalist foreign investors, which often had to be settled by third parties and UN teams, in a determined effort to gain economic independence, in spite of almost being broken by the manipulations of the copper market by US imperialism. Millions of dollars in aid come from\u2013 in the past, from USA and particularly Britain, its lackey, and other Western capitalist nations. A 10 million dollar loan from Peking, China, however, is being added to the contributions of Peking. Peking engineers are also helping to build highways and bridges for Zambia. Zambia remains non-aligned, and we are finding here information that shows China is<\/em> putting assistance into some of these brave African nations. I guess her fear of Soviet domination has caused her to behave rascally on the foreign mar\u2013 uh, foreign policy scene in Zaire and uh, Angola and Ethiopia, but we\u2019re seeing more and more Chinese aid coming in. We hope this represents a wind of change.<\/p>\n

The first self-governing legislative elections were held in January of 1964. Ninety-five percent of the population in Zambia voted. Some walked as far as 20 miles in the rain to reach the polls. They have a lot more rain than we do then in Zambia. A thumb dipped in red ink prevented people from voting twice. The people voted by symbol, for the parties of their choice, lion, corn cob, or hoe, Kenneth Kaunda\u2019s hoe party was victorious, sand when he became president in October, he was firm. He told a group of labor leaders, this government is strong and here to stay. I do not want to hear any more nonsense from anyone about bringing back colonialism or capitalism.<\/p>\n

David Livingstone, the Scottish Christian missionary and explorer, went to Zambia more than a century ago \u2013 a century is a hundred years \u2013 and was horrified at the slaving he witnessed. Blacks were terrorized, their families broken up, as they were led off by the Arabs, the whites \u2013 Muslims, you see, there\u2019s no difference between Muslims and Christians, contrary to what Wallace Deen Muhammad and the Nation of Islam has tried to say in the USA. Arab Muslims were in the primary uh, m\u2013 marketing of slaves there. Livingstone, one of those more benevolent Christians, who immediately vowed to end the trade where he could, tried to replace the slave trade with general commerce in Africa. He spent his last days in Zambian country. When no one had heard much from him in about a year, the New York Herald-Dispatch<\/em>, newspaper that is now gone broke, dispatched a reporter whose assignment was simply to find Livingstone. The reporter, Henry Morton Stanley, succeeded finally, coming upon the missing missionary at Lake Tanganyika \u2013 T-a-n-g-a-n-y-i-k-a \u2013 where Stanley greeted him with the words, \u201cDr. Livingstone, I presume.\u201d You\u2019ve no doubt heard it in your school.<\/p>\n

He was the last white man to speak with Livingstone, who died at the age of 60 on May 1, 1873, of malaria, following an eight-month trek through disease-infested swamps. His chief bearer, Susi \u2013 S-u-s-i \u2013 insisted that the doctor be buried in England. His body was dried out for two weeks, then embalmed in brandy and salt. The bearers had the body shipped to Westminster after they had carried it to the sea. The trip to the African coast, which now takes 24 hours on American-built highway, took them nine months in those days, and probably Livingstone didn\u2019t even want to go back to colonial England, that was involved in this marketing of slaves, as well as USA. Of course, USA continued the slave market, even after England. On the one-hundredth anniversary of Livingstone\u2019s death, President Kaunda led 1000 Zambians to Cipundu \u2013 C-i-p-u-n-d-u \u2013 where Livingstone had died, to pay tribute to the Scotsman. Kaunda said at that time, what dominated Livingstone\u2019s life, though he was a white man, was his sense of mission as a servant of the people of Africa, instead of\u2013 instead of the white lord they serve. He did not see himself a leader in any sense at all, but a servant of the black people, and we shall always hold him near and dear to our hearts. That shows the great magnitude of black people able to overcome the pain that was inflicted, one of the wor\u2013 worst and cruelest slave trades in history that came out of Zambia.<\/p>\n

This ends the commentary of the news for the day, and a nation that you need to hear about. Also the news coming at the last moment, Yugoslavia is making some trade agreements, it\u2019s a non-aligned Communist nation in Europe, with Guyana, and last week, it gave a 70 million US dollar loan to aid Burma in copper production, and Burma\u2019s efforts to break away from dependence upon Western capitalist imperialism. Perhaps tomorrow we can discuss Yugoslavia.<\/p>\n

We must all show great interest in the news. It is important to show great interest in the news. As a matter of fact, I think I shall give Yugoslavia. I don\u2019t think it is that long, and I can give it in the shorter form.<\/p>\n

Yugoslavia. Where is it located? It\u2019s in southeastern Europe. Its embassy here\u2019s been very friendly to us, and complimentary of the Jonestown pure communal experiment. In southeastern Europe, Yugoslavia is located, across from Italy. It shares its borders with seven countries, northern Italy on the west, Austria and Hungary on the north, Rumania and Bulgaria on the east, Greece and Alba\u2013 Albania on the south. To the southwest is the Adriatic Sea.<\/p>\n

How was it created? In the sixth and seventh centuries, several Slavic tribes migrated, some southward and some westward over the Carpathians \u2013 C-a-r-p-a-t-h-i-a-n-s \u2013 into the area between the Danube \u2013 D-a-n-u-b-e \u2013 River and the Adriatic Sea \u2013 A-d-r-i-a-t-i-c. It was not until 1918 that the various nationalities were allowed to unite to form an independent state, at that time called the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats \u2013 C-r-o-a-t-s \u2013 and Slovenes \u2013 S-l-o-v-e-n-e-s. There\u2019s always been a lot of prejudice, particularly from Germany that\u2019s twice tried to dominate the world against southern Europeans. The prejudice exist in USA, too. People from Greece, Italy, Spain, Yugoslavia, and those areas are somehow inferior, like the USA has considered blacks to be.<\/p>\n

What is its size? Barely larger than Guyana, 98,766 square miles, roughly the size of Wyoming, with not the fertile uh, potential of this country. Its population\u2013 well, you can see there\u2019s no comparison. Guyana has 800,000 in 83,000 square miles, but the population of Yugoslavia is 21 million, nearly\u2013 in fact, 22 million. 21,900,000. Of that, Serb are 42.1 percent. Croat \u2013 C-r-o-a-t \u2013 who are still highly nationalistic, are 23.1 percent. Slovene are 8.6 percent. Macedonian are 5.6 percent. Muslim religion, five two point [5.2] percent, Albanian, 4.9 percent, 16 other groups, 10.5 percent. All races. And there\u2019s a real<\/em> integration in Yugoslavia of the races.<\/p>\n

Forty-two percent of the people are Serbian Orthodox, a religion of Christendom that you are not familiar. One of the many sects that show that there\u2019s no unity in Christianity. Twenty-five percent are Roman Catholic, 10 percent are Muslim. And they have a reasonable religious peace, as we see in Guyana, one of the rare nations that has such.<\/p>\n

Who rules? A president, a collective presidency, a premier, a parliament, the Federal Assembly, and a cabinet, the Executive Council. The position of president has been changed due to the problem of President [Josip Broz] Tito\u2019s successor. He\u2019s 86 years, one of the bravest freedom fighters, he fought the Nazis, he\u2019s gone through many, many things, and he is very healthy at 86 years of age, it show young people that socialists can live old and ripe age and still have great adventure in liberation of a people. The policy is to try to create the conditions for collective leadership after Tito\u2019s death. The 1971 Constitution established a 22-person collective presidency, while at the same time reelecting Tito \u2013 T-i-t-o \u2013 president for five years. Tito of course really is the principal ruler, with the other leaders of the league of Communists as his lieutenants, an\u2013 and since successfully leading the partisan forces during World War II, he won his own victory against Hitler. He drove them out single-handedly. He was a powerful guerilla fighter. He has held ultimate power, uh, of course, since that, as head of the party, the government and the Socialist Alliance, the only other legal political party. There are two brands of socialism there, but both agree to the economics of socialism. And there\u2019s a charamatic\u2013 charismatic national hero who never\u2013 who is never directly criticized but plays the role of critic of the bureaucracy in favor of these people. Allah Mao [phonetic], says this capitalist criticism. Tito has enjoyed a kind of autocratic reign, though it\u2019s benevolent, even the capitalists admit that. Though sharing his power with his comrades at arms, he\u2019s taken no financial advantage of the people, and the people have a high standard of living. The ruling clique of the party, of course, according to the capitalists, are the lieute\u2013 lieutenants around him, though no one accus him\u2013 accuses him of living much above his people.<\/p>\n

Josip Broz \u2013 J-o-s-i-p capital B-r-o-z \u2013 who became Secretary General of the Yugoslav Communist Party in 1937, rose during World War II from relative obscurity to an international frame\u2013 and fame, as Marshal Tito, as he affectionately became called, leader of the aggressive resistance group of partisans. The group, ill-clad and nearly starved, all of them undernourished, fought against tremendous odds against Hitler and fascism that had been imposed by the Trilateral Commission to try to stop communism. Tito himself was wounded many times and narrowly escaped capture on several occasions. At the war\u2019s end, he was both a military hero and leader of the anti-fascist political alliance, the AVNOJ [Anti-Fascist Council of National Liberation of Yugoslavia], with a large enough personal following to withstand the machinations of Soviet rule, which he considered to be hegemony in that day. He tried to have him ousted. Tito emerged as unquestioned leader of his country. He was uh, alienated by [Josef] Stalin. He\u2019s now drawn closer to the Soviet Union, though he\u2019s non-aligned.<\/p>\n

At first, Tito worship followed the pattern of Stalin worship in the USSR, but this was toned down, due to the break with Stalin and criticism of the cult of the individual, which really began in Yugoslavia. Even the capitalists admit this. Of course, they\u2019re more kindly to non-aligned Communists than they are uh, the superpower of the Soviet Union, which is their archenemy. In particularly, the cult of the individual, says the commentary, was resisted, as it applied to Stalinism. Still, what ev\u2013 wherever he went in public, Tito was greeted with cheers and the chant, Tito is ours, we are Tito\u2019s. His trivial acts have been chronicled in the newspapers and made very significant. Yet in the course of the spectacle of the rule, Tito has played many roles: benevolent father of the people, stern, scolding uncle, critic of bureaucracy, simple man of the soil, world traveler \u2013 he\u2019s gone all over the world \u2013 comrade in arms of World War II days, dignified head of state \u2013 he does have a very nice car, say the capitalists, they chide him for that, a Rolls Royce \u00ad\u2013 and finally, resplendent military leader on his white charger. He often wears a white uniform and rides a horse, even in his 86 years. The supposed absence of class conflict in Yugoslavia is contradicted by capitalists, but they have to admit that there\u2019s rela\u2013 relative freedom, because there\u2019s been over 2000 strikes since 1958 for more advanced rights. In fact, the workers have a real uh, hand in government of that state. The number of strikers increasing each year until the last two years in which they have been able to get enough benefits to satisfy the need of the workers, because the Yugoslav people are fiercely independent people. Now the ideologists are besides themselves trying to explain why the workers of that period struck against themselves. And that\u2019s capitalist commentary. Well, they strike to improve<\/em>, you know, they improve conditions and eliminate bureaucracy. It\u2019s significant in the last two years there\u2019ve been<\/em> no strikes. Since all these strikes were supposedly illegal, wildcats \u2013 but nobody was thrown in jail, capitalists don\u2019t note that contribution, so that shows a great deal of benevolence \u2013 and they were there\u2013 therefore difficult to control. There has been, of course as I said, recent proposals to have the Communist Party run unions, organize and lead them, and that has been adopted, and labor is really getting more benefits than many nations in the socialist bloc, because it is really a labor class nation. Non-aligned, helpful in peace settlements, helping in bridging the gaps, it\u2019s been critical of Chinese policy in Africa, though it had formerly been somewhat pro-Chinese, it is distinctly against China\u2019s foreign policy and has been very friendly and has met in all recent Soviet Warsaw Pact conferences.<\/p>\n

Thus ends the commentary of the news, and two nations that you can learn about, that are interesting. Much love. Remember to be prepared. There will be a test in Peoples Rally, in which we cannot cheat. It will be representative and in-depth and fair, more fair than other tests, but it will be one in which you will have to know, so be sure you go back and pick up all the knowledge on these nations, ask the librarian [Teresa King] what you missed, or ask Comrade Vernetta Christian, secretary of news.<\/p>\n

Thank you, and I love you very much. We\u2019ll announce what will be on television later tonight. (mic clicks off)<\/p>\n

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Afternoon on this Monday, we need to give you more news. (tape garbled)<\/p>\n

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Side 2<\/p>\n

Like everything else in the universe that we don\u2019t understand, they come in cyc\u2013 cycles. Might be interesting to look back on what happened on the 17th<\/sup> of July in previous years. I don\u2019t know whether there\u2019s any significance or cycles that are predictable. I\u2019m not interested in that kind of thought. I am interested in the power of healing and precognition that I have. I\u2019ve seen everything else to be fraudulent. But in 1877, the first nationwide railword\u2013 railway strike took place in USA. In 1936 on this same date of the 17th<\/sup> of July, the Spanish Civil War began. The US sent people of all races, social democrats, socialists, communists, to help the people to try<\/em> to support the Spanish republicans who were really social democrats, leftward leaning in their war against [Francisco] Franco, who was a prot\u00e9g\u00e9 of Hitler, a real fascist Phalangist Christian. But he had no\u2013 Franco had no people support, the superior military force of Hitler\u2019s Germany, and the lack of support given, of course, by USA or any other capitalist nation. The brave people of Spain lost that civil war. Franco has since, you know, been deposed, in death, really, that\u2019s when the government changed and become a sort of benign capitalism, having lots of trouble, the Basque\u2013 the Basque uh, region is seeking independence, quite a revolutionary element. 1964 on the 17th<\/sup> of July, a leading civil rights activist, black nationalist to James Powell, was killed in a merciless attack by police in Harlem. However, it was the major uprising of Harlem, the first and most significant major uprising in Harlem of black people.<\/p>\n

Now shall we\u2013 we shall go on today.<\/p>\n

In Cyprus, leaning further to the left, the president [Spyros Kyprianou] has taken his vice president out of the current talks and negotiations with Turkey, which are attempting to bring a peaceful resolution to Cyprus, which has a small sector that is Turkish in population. Cyprus is a predominantly Greek Orthodox Christian community that has gone pro-Marxist and been invited into Comecon [Council for Mutual Economic assistance], the federation of communist nations., the Warsaw Pact nations under the Soviet Union. The Turkish sector has demanded a bicameral legislature, one representing the Greeks and one the Turks, and this has been resisted.<\/p>\n

Turkey is in upheaval. News just coming in. It\u2019s in major<\/em> upheaval. They\u2019re finding, I guess, left infiltration in their secret police, top security members of their secret police have been deposed. I supposed charges are being pending. Also the person in charge of the secret police of security in Istan\u2013 Istanbul has also been chopped. There\u2019s a lot of violence in Turkey. News is not too clear, as to who\u2019s winning. Turkey has been a reactionary regime, though it has threatened of late to seek Soviet aid and draw closer to the Soviet Union because of the US ban on military aid that had been imposed because the Turks were using it against minorities. Turkish reactionaries uh, two decades ago murdered two million Armenians, and the Turks had been using their arms against Greece that\u2019s also an ally of USA. So USA made a choice, let arms embargo that\u2019s being now currently discussed in Congress as to whether to be lifted, and I think it has been. You get very little news out of USA when something\u2019s done that is not uh, in the best tradition of democracy. But nonetheless, Turkey\u2019s having its own internal strife at this time. Vicious violence, as the left is struggling for power in Turkey.<\/p>\n

Egypt, [Anwar] Sadat has not agreed to the Israeli demands to maintain military forces on Gaza at East Bank. The foreign minister of Egypt [Muhammad Ibrahim Kamel] and uh, Israel, Zionist Israel [Moise Dayan], and USA are meeting in London today, Secretary [Cyrus] Vance, tired and fatigued, had just arrived, because he\u2019s been spread thin trying to discuss disarmament talks in the Soviet Union, which have been unable to get off the ground because of US resolution, the Congress\u2019 resolution that uh, they will not uh, sign any kind of d\u00e9tente to peace arrangements until something\u2019s done about the Soviet treatment of their dissidents. Seems very strange to link the uh, internal policies of any nation with such an important issue as world peace. But that\u2019s the way things are these days. And we give all sides and all facets of the news.<\/p>\n

The number of communist nations, the Eurocommunist, which unfortunately and tragically in this nuclear age, may be forming a new bloc (briefly turns head from mic) are being very censorious of the treatment, the heavy penalties being handed down by the Soviets on their dissidents, or what the Soviets call, their traitors. The Soviets say, this is our law, and we will not allow internal meddling. I think the USA, if they wanted to change things, really basically change things for the well-being of the Soviets are doing such a job of uh, putting the public spotli\u2013 spotlight on the Soviets, it\u2019d be difficult for them to back off, if they chose from some of their sentences. However, some cus\u2013 accused of capital crime have only being given eight years. One sentence does seem to be heavy, I don\u2019t know, the nature of it, we can\u2019t get a thing out of US media, the Soviet Union for some reason does not yet uh, react. If anyone\u2019s picking up Soviet broadcast that do, I cannot pick up any socialist bloc nations that are reacting. \u2018Course, the Warsaw Pact nations \u00ad\u2013 you know those \u2013 Poland, Rumania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, East Germany and so forth, are giving staunch support to the Soviet Union in their right of internal rule. (turns head from mic to cough) Excuse me, froggy sound. I had some\u2013 something in the throat. The Soviet Union did sentence uh, someone previously to 15 years in the Ukraine who was on the Helsinki Human Rights uh, Commission, the\u2013 the Helsinki Accord from Finland, arrived at certain basic human rights considerations, and the\u2013 the Soviets are coming under attack, but it seems like the Soviets are so embittered by this uh, public ridicule that US and her lackeys have put upon her that she\u2019s maybe over<\/em>-reacting.<\/p>\n

The French Communist paper said that uh, great sympathy for the Soviet Union, what it\u2019s done for its people, its domestic achievements, its international policy of uh, helping liberation causes in Africa, but it said these laws need to be changed about disagreement with the government. And so I will post what I hear. Now this is the Voice of Sweden, that may be distorted, BBC backs it up, I can get no uh, communist broadcast discussing it, but they do the direct quote from The Humanity<\/em>, the uh, organ of the Communist Party, which has indeed become independent, and we have studied it, studied the Italian Communist, particularly the Italian Communist Party, which are obviously revisionist, in that they will even discuss joint efforts with AFL-CIO leader uh, that uh, George Meany, who\u2019d worked uh\u2013 and been brought as public record, that he was involved with the CIA, seems hard to defend. Uh, no way you can defend it. But I try to give you all the news. But the major Western Communist parties, that is \u2013 they are minorities, of course, in France and Belgium and Netherlands and in Great Britain, England, and in Spain, with exception of Portugal\u2019s Communist Party \u2013 have come out against the severity of the trials. Listening to the editorial of the French revisionist, the Euro-Communist Party, which is mo\u2013 more and more the European Communist parties are breaking away<\/em>, except the staunch allies in the Warsaw Pact. With of course (unintelligible word) exceptions like Cyprus and Yemen. And it\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a real dangerous era. It\u2019s a really dangerous era. But USA of course is using it, and all its political prisoners, they\u2019re utterly hypocritical, there\u2019re tens of thousands, as Andrew Young admitted himself, thousands of political prisoners in USA. The Soviet Union only have four on trial at the present time. One under sentence of death. I mean, (stumbles over words) unless it\u2019s a\u2013 uh, appeal is successfully, but some of the Communist parties are criticizing trial in\u2013 by television and in front of the television cameras. The Soviets say this is to show to all the world their objectivity, so the people can see the trials. These people do confess. The uh, French Communist went on to disagree with Soviet policy of putting those who disagree with government into mental institutions. I\u2019m sure, however, it is preferable than being put into the horrible prison conditions of USA, where a prison cell is overcrowded 15 to one. But I\u2019m giving you the Euro-Communist revisionist view. It takes difficulty to think and keep your course.<\/p>\n

We\u2019re not here because we are pro-Soviet, we are pro-socialist. We do not believe a socialist solution will work in one nation, uh, that\u2013 that has worked successfully in one nation can be imposed upon another nation. We do recognize that power corrupts. The dangerous era of the transition from capitalism can lead to excesses, as under Stalin, for instance, he got so very uh, paranoid about the Western imperialist who had infiltrated clear up in his high command, trying to overthrow the communist re\u2013 regime, and he was a very dedicated man in the sense that he lived humbly, modestly, dressed shabbily, and owned no\u2013 nothing new, and left not one cent when he passed, he was such a man of Communist practice. But he was a firm practitioner, indeed. Uh\u2013 After that unveiling of the German infiltration, the Nazi \u2013 and indirectly, US capitalist \u2013 infiltration into his high command, he had purges, there\u2019s no question about it.<\/p>\n

The French seem to be the only re\u2013 the really objective analysis. I wouldn\u2019t even bother to give you the other European Communist analysis, (tape edit for two seconds) but uh, they are a minority, they\u2019re under paid, no doubt, and in some instances they\u2019ve sold out to capitalist interests, and perhaps they fear, as many Communists who became apologists for USA in the McCarthy era, and even sold out, we have it all the time, who broke away from Communism to play it safe. And then there are those who simply have become a part of the petit bourgeoisie, if not the middle class bourgeoisie. They\u2019ve received such high salaries from their trade union activities that they\u2019re more a part of the capitalist system than they are their socialist theory and rhetoric.<\/p>\n

We\u2019ve seen that here, we\u2019ve seen that everywhere. We\u2019ve seen that in high officials that our people have dated. They have Marxist theory down clad, but they have unfortunately allowed themselves to be tricked, to become a part of the system, and they\u2019re really schizophrenic. I don\u2019t want to name names. Then you have the bold, kind of socialism\u2013 I don\u2019t know, though, I\u2019m not going to comment on the lifestyle of the prime minister, of that I do not know. I know the lifestyle of Dr. Reid is humble, lives in modest circumstances, the chairman of the PNC. But anyway, you have to say that power has not<\/em> been abused in Guyana. At this stage, a lot of opposition\u2019s tolerated, and the power that is undoubtedly \u2013 and we must all see \u2013 in the hands of the PNC, is being used to champion socialist measures at this point about the new constitution, and champion liberation in Korea, and in the strongest<\/em> terms, to speak out against US and British oppression, and obviously, I have not abused power.<\/p>\n

That period, however, of the DFP is a dangerous period. One may have to waken someplace in some point in time, that for a long era, you\u2019ll have a choice of two kinds of dictatorships: one communistic, or one fascistic. Because capitalism will go fascistic, there\u2019re too many economic contradictions inside of capitalism today to continue it. It\u2019s falling apart at the seams. And we\u2019re seeing oppressive measures, oppressive laws, laws legalizing experimentation on children, racist laws, the Bakke decision upheld by the Supreme Court, journalists being deprived of their right to maintain their sources, which will uh, stop them from printing any corruption in the government. This is being uh\u2013 this is upheld by the Supreme Court. And a new<\/em> measure that uh, is even more severe restriction. In spite of the fact that the press in USA has been uh, [Aleksandr] Solzhenitsyn, uh, a former defector from the Soviet Union, said uh, corrupt and too powerful, nonetheless, uh, other elements of power in the capitalist ruling class are restricting their power considerably. For the first time, we\u2019ve seen today\u2019s news, New York Times<\/em> foreign edition, I do not know whether it uh\u2013 the comment was, it was in its foreign edition, I doubt very much if it was in its domestic edition. US Time<\/em> Magazine, Newsweek<\/em> has foreign edition, which they s\u2013 would appear to be\u2013 oh they\u2019re progressive and extremely liberal, whereas in USA, they will not print the same stuff, but in the foreign edition of the New York Times<\/em>, there\u2019s a heavy, heavy indictment on Rose Peterson, who was the consul in the Moscow region from the USA. And we hadn\u2019t heard a thing about her. The US sort of dropped her out of the news. You remember, she was the lady that uh, got on several buses and tried to divert attention, she was supposedly a consul, and not supposed to be involved in spy work. That\u2019s what the US mandate of the constitution and the government requires, that the CIA functions are not to interfere and not to be involved in diplomatic posts, but we\u2019ve seen it over and over again. You know that any time you talk with the consul, (unintelligible word) you may be talking with a member of the CIA. Well, she was. The All-American girl, the New York Times<\/em> foreign edition said, uh, she looked like she had liberal humanitarian concerns, but they caught her in the act, and the for\u2013 the New York Times<\/em> said it doesn\u2019t make any difference how much the United States denies it, uh, the New York Times<\/em> foreign edition, which again is hypocritical to print truth in the foreign edition and not print the truth in the domestic editions, but they said she was caught in the act, she had a rock with poison in it, and was placing it under a bridge. She had a secret code which she called out, I\u2019m a foreigner, I\u2019m a foreigner, which stopped whatever uh, treasonous elements, you\u2019d have to say, treasonous element, when you\u2019re talking about poison. That why US news about human rights in the Soviet Union is so slanted<\/em>. She was actually passing poison and explosives to some anti-Soviet element<\/em>, but uh, they didn\u2019t come to pick up the rock. She was caught in the act, and even her own consular, her deputy consular did not know \u2013 and he was called in about it, the Soviets were shocked and chagrined \u2013 and she then showed her true colors under investigation, said New York<\/em> foreign Times<\/em> edition, she said that directly to her consular assistant, as some sort of uh, secret police official, she said, shut up, I order you to shut up. And he did, because evidently he\u2013 he may have been saying too much. However, USSR, the Soviet Union, respected diplomatic immunity, all people in consuls have diplomatic immunity, and obviously then the Soviet Union must have spying in their<\/em> consuls, because they did<\/em> respect diplomatic immunity which granted her the right to go home. She went home, and she\u2019s living, uh, not too easily a lie. She\u2019s still being supported, the New York<\/em> foreign Times<\/em> edition, the New York Times<\/em> foreign edition, could not uh, determine the source, she is alienated, she has very little company except uh, for sexual purposes, and there wasn\u2019t a great elaboration on that, she refuses any comment with news and she lives an excluded life somewhere in the racist South. And they did indict her for her being built up by the press, elements of the press, New York Times<\/em>criticized them for building her up as the All-American liberal and uh, (stumbles over words) the All-American beauty queen, uh\u2013 Quite a campaign, press cooperation and government. She was built as, you know, kind of nice little girl that would never pass poison, and just a consular of, uh, heralded as a victor for the feminists, that the woman has re\u2013 reached an important post, but little did the world know how mu\u2013 important the post she did<\/em>, she was a high-ranking CIA official, and this just happened, as you know, a few days ago. I gave you the news about it. Anyway, uh, she now is dropped from the Foreign Service, and USA is trying to act like they have no connection with it, there\u2013 that\u2019s the rewards for spying, nobody really appreciates loyalty. At least she did have loyalty, she cried out to whoever was to pick up the rock uh, gave them the warning so they wouldn\u2019t be arrested, she was loyal, but apparently, she\u2019s being dropped other than to be maintained financially, but it\u2019s a\u2013 a life of the uh, withdrawal and unhappiness and exclusion, and quite an attack on her by the New York Times<\/em> foreign edition.<\/p>\n

Maybe the newspaper\u2019s now going to serve uh, uh, the appearance of a free press because of the uh, laws that are coming down, repressing individual and\u2013 and collective liberties, and even freedom of the press<\/em>. Human rights in USA. And you would certainly get more response from the USSR that has come out of the dictatorship of the proletariat period, a strong personality period of Stalin, (stumbles over words) in which he had uh, laws, for instance, forbidding all Soviet citizens to marry foreigners, and uh, Communist agitation, even from US Communists, got Stalin\u2013 uh, Stalin\u2019s successors to change<\/em> those laws. But he became so utterly apprehensive after imperialism had succeeded in infiltrating his own military<\/em> high command<\/em> with money, and you wonder how that can happen. Well, people are primitive, we\u2019re very animalistic. And that was the first Communist revolution. And so people have vestiges, holdovers of capitalism, just like here. People got a price they\u2019ll pay. People\u2013 Debbie [Layton], the day she went out, sworn in\u2013 in emotion and tears that she would never commit treason, she\u2019d never get with the defectors, and maybe that was her intention. But when they put something on her head, got too heavy, the threats, she complied. Grossly unhappy, involved in drug world, even one of our traitors is in worse condition than that, but I will not elaborate for security reasons on that situation.<\/p>\n

Nonetheless, uh, this woman, through a conspiracy of press and<\/em> government, was built up \u2013 Rose Peterson \u2013 to be (short laugh) a libertol\u2013 liberal and was promoted as the All-American girl, and then when she returned, of course, and her hand was caught in the cookie jar, of passing to pass poison to Soviet agitators, you can hardly call anybody a\u2013 a dissident (short laugh) who is trying to poison<\/em> someone. So you really<\/em> can\u2019t get the news on the human rights situation, and I don\u2019t know that the French have not sold out, but they did praise the Soviet Union for its domestic policies, guaranteed socialized medicine, its housing, its high standard of living, and its international efforts in Africa towards liberation.<\/p>\n

So I always give you all sides of the news. And we must<\/em> admit that power can be abused, but if you have the choice between fascist<\/em> power\u2013 a Hitler who sends people to gas chambers\u2013 the Soviet Union just recently, uh, for instance, granted clemency to all members of the\u2013 the conspiracy against the Soviet state who were receiving money from foreign sources to overthrow the Soviet government. They granted a\u2013 a national clemency. All of them were freed. The Soviet Union does this on certain days uh, commemorating the revolution, and the USA is making a dreadful mistake to hinge all this uh, on uh, the nuclear disarmament talks. Even members of the capitalist world are criticizing the USA for this, that, with so much heat on the Soviet Union, if they had intended to uh, be more humanitarian\u2013 and they haven\u2019t given stiff sentences to some<\/em> of these people, some of these people like [Natan] Sharansky, uh, was accused of\u2013 of passing secrets<\/em> and only got eight years. That\u2019s a mild sentence. The Rosenbergs [Ethel and Julius], who did nothing and were framed, were put in the ga\u2013 in the electric chair in Sou\u2013 Sing Sing. Well, anyway, I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m trying to give you as an objective appraisal of the situation, and I\u2019m afraid that the Soviet Union could not<\/em> be more<\/em> humanitarian if they wished<\/em> to be, or benevolent, because it would be an admission to the entire world that their laws are inhumane.<\/p>\n

And I\u2019m certain no system is perfect. It just me\u2013 uh, you have to choose whether you want a geno\u00ad\u2013 mass murdering system like fascism under Hitler, a megalomaniac, power-hungry, ruthless, uh, uh, we\u2019ve seen the history we\u2019ve never seen in communism. No experiment in communism, where children have been put in gas chambers, where there\u2019s been mass murder. That has not ever happened in a socialist revolution. We see on the other hand such progress with 50 years of socialism that has brought free medicine, full employment, to all<\/em> the Soviet Union, even so in China. Tragically, China is uh\u2013 remembers her history and is caught up in a bitterness towards white people, and even though she\u2019s doing things like I had to mid\u2013 admit today, I will tell you all the news. Assisting Zambia with a ten million dollar aid, and Zambia\u2019s standing up, Zambia\u2019s standing up very s\u2013 bravely to USA, and other imperialist practice in Africa. Nonetheless, you have to admit, China, where there was a million dying a day, and now a billion people are all well fed, and are all housed, and we have no<\/em> starvation, and even the elimination of rodents and flies, that\u2019s a\u2013 uh, if there is<\/em> too much power, and power\u2019s a dangerous thing in the hands of uh, a communist elite, and that could develop. But it\u2019s more<\/em> dangerous in the hands of a capitalist elite, which now will not even mask itself anymore. Open laws that are fascist are being passed, Senate Bill 1437 will make fascism uh, open<\/em>. We now have de facto fascism. That means facti\u2013 fascism in practice. Apathy, despair, racism, people don\u2019t uh, mind admitting they think blacks ought to be annihilated. Even people in the high governmental layer\u2013 levels, uh, head of the chief of the Supreme Court of North Carolina, called for the elimination of blacks, and uh, praised the Ku Klux Klan. So that last<\/em> stage of capitalism is a dangerous era. It is more menacing, but what we all hope as human beings, that there could be progressive leaders like Jim Jones, who will not allow power to do anything but be used for the people, that he is nothing more than a representative of the people, open to criticism \u2013 try me and see \u2013 wants<\/em> to give them the best life and knows<\/em> that he does not have all the answers, but is the most pure, dedicated leader that he\u2019s ever seen. And I\u2019m sorry<\/em> to have to admit that. But we\u2019ve seen other exceptions, as I say, in socialism where power has not abused\u2013 been abused. We have seen too many, I admit, communist leaders driving Rolls-Royces and Cadillacs, and uh, having uh, jewelry, of extensive wealth. I can\u2019t approve of that. I\u2019m afraid of that. But even those who have done those things, I have never seen them uh, put people in jail for 500 years, like the Wilmington 10, the black leaders, the black activists on the East Coast, and the president even refuses to review it. I don\u2019t know whether President Carter is sensitive to it, I\u2019m sure he\u2019s also very aware of selective assassinations that have put the chill on all liberation efforts in USA, or any president that would try to even be a do-gooder. I\u2019m sure that he\u2019s haunted by President [John F.] Kennedy\u2019s death and presidential candidate, President Kennedy\u2019s brother Bob Kennedy, I\u2019m sure he knows well that (unintelligible name under radio), he wasn\u2019t in touch with the will of the ruling Trilateral Commission of monopoly capitalists, who is sort of a\u2013 you know, an independent uh, reactionary. Yes, filled with racism, but he had certain errors in which he\u2013 areas of his life which he uh, was following his own uh, distorted conscience, and what\u2019d they do, they paralyzed him.<\/p>\n

Uh, this is a dreadful hour in capitalism, and whatever Carter\u2019s propensities on one side of him, and maybe everyone\u2019s a Dr. Jekyll and Dr. Hyde, but Jim Jones, sometimes I really wonder. I know my<\/em> side, my uh, negative<\/em> side has been subdued, it\u2019ll never emerge, I\u2019ll never be insensitive, I\u2019d put my life secondary to any of you here, even some who\u2019ve been cruel and insensitive and don\u2019t care, and you\u2019d kill me if you had an opportunity, and sell out for a few dollars, but I\u2019d put my life second uh, to yours. I\u2019d always put your welfare above mine. And I don\u2019t believe I\u2019m a mutation. I believe that such evolution can happen to everyone. I came out of poverty, bitterness, (unintelligible word), I could have easily uh, justified capitalism, and seeing the merciless\u2013 merciless cruelty of my community, and my dad [James Thurman Jones], but I chose to be sensitive and to live by guilt, which some of you don\u2019t recognize is the greatest protection to humanitarian concern is to take guilt for things you do, and deal<\/em> with your own mistakes, and feel heavily<\/em> about them, not be immobilized<\/em>, but try to compensate<\/em> for your guilt. In other words, make restitution<\/em>, like the Guyana government gave the woman the right to do who was a high official in adult education. She paying up the debt of her defrauded.<\/p>\n

Well, we\u2019ve all been guilty, we lived and ate in USA, knowing that the money we bought our meat with and food went to cruel purposes in Africa and Vietnam, napalming babies, torturing and<\/em> exterminating whole villages across the world. Assassination. Yes, uh, USA (clicks tongue) democracy\u2019s been intimidated, and anyone that would be even inclined to social democracy\u2019s been intimidated by \u2013 and the protest movement, also \u2013 by the final act, the Kent [State University] killings. Now here is the first time in history that we see the mass murder by the army, the Kent State Ohio. Now even in Hitler\u2019s Germany, they have tortures in\u2013 the tortures and monuments in uh, fascist\u2013 uh, neo-fascist West Germany, where people have been cremated and gassed, they don\u2019t hide it entirely under a bushel. They may not talk about it in the press, but what does USA do at Kent State, when uh, there was a mass movement around the USA to put a memorial at Kent State? No, no, they wouldn\u2019t, they wiped it out, excavated it, and put a gymnasium<\/em> on top of the place where many, many students were wiped out before the eyes of the nation on television. And of course that went into the minds too, very well, intimidated those who are afraid for their lives. The greatest enemy of socialism, the greatest enemy of liberalism, humanitarianism that would lead to a pure communism, where there would be no force, no armies, no police, uh, a government by peace<\/em>, because people would see the benefits of it, the greatest enemy of that progress is one thing: people are afraid of losing their lives, or suffering. The world saw \u2013 you may have not remembered\u2013 but they looked at Kent State and saw that mass execution, and all the protest in hell didn\u2019t do anything about it. No one was ever convicted for it, it was a senseless killing, the students did nothing, they weren\u2019t even throwing anything, they were just shot down in cold blood before the eyes of the nation on evening television. Everyone saw it.<\/p>\n

And so, Carter, or whoever else is in the government, Andrew Young, they have their moments, they can\u2019t live, it must be hell\u2013 yeah, Andrew Young, black uh, you\u2019ve been a pretty conventional man, he\u2019s played it safe, he\u2019s been in\u2013 a religious leader, he didn\u2019t have too much trouble telling the lies that were in the Bible, but it must be something really dirty going on in USA that caused him for a moment<\/em> at a cocktail party to emerge and say, I<\/em> am a political prisoner. He\u2013 he said, I am, rather than I was. He said then\u2013 but there are thousands<\/em> of political prisoners in the jails. Now, that said to me\u2013 does not speak of the high character of Andrew Young, because he sold out on many instances and then backed off from his own commitments. But there\u2019s a side<\/em> of him every now and then that looks at what he probably sees, the genocide. I remember the foreign minister uh, of this country [Fred Wills] said that Andrew Young wanted to come here, but he was fearful of what it would do to us and him. And Andrew Young has said other<\/em> things, like the uh\u2013 the same time, he said the presence of Cuban assistance in Africa is greatly<\/em>exaggerated. Well, uh, that was a damning statement, and now he\u2019s been ordered not to open his mouth. We\u2019ll see if he\u2019s a person of conscience, or is he like the great majority of US citizens that can be intimidated by remembering that Martin Luther King was shot, that Malcolm [X] was murdered, that Medgar Evers was murdered, on, on, on, on. Kennedys were murdered. They murder white and black, they don\u2019t give a damn. The ruling class eliminates, and what\u2019s painful, is that they had to kill so few to stifle liberty in USA. And that\u2019s what\u2019s so hypocritical, and that\u2019s the reason I\u2019m giving this commentary, and I want all of you to listen to this. This will be required testing. You will have to know what I\u2019m now saying, \u2018cause it will help you to reason, and that\u2019s the point.<\/p>\n

So you have a choice at worst, between the power of fascism, and its history is bloody, or too much power (unintelligible word) structure in communism. [George] Orwell said, that\u2019s what we would face. Dictatorship, one or the other. That was his 1984<\/em>. Well, fortunately, we see a lot of humanity as we approsh\u2013 approach the 1980s. So maybe his dire forecast is not totally true<\/em>. And are obviously not<\/em> totally true, because we do see people employed, we do pe\u2013 see people cared sensitively, we do see how they handle mental problems in the Soviet Union, and in crisis in uh\u2013 I don\u2019t have that text just right, it\u2019s uh, Cities without Crisis<\/em>, by [Mike] Davidow \u2013 D-a-v-i-d-o-w \u2013 who\u2019s been a supporter of ours. I recommend it, and I\u2019m going to require it for reading and review. Some could give particular passages from it, and save my voice, over the PA system. I want you to read that book. Cities without Crisis<\/em>. And that\u2019s about the Soviet Union. That humanity cannot be denied. But nothing\u2019s perfect. We\u2019re not, and neither is the Soviet Union.<\/p>\n

Well, that\u2019s the commentary. Now I shall see what else is of any (laughs) importance. A tragic happening, the successor uh, potential to [Zbigniew] Brzezinski, uh\u2013 of [Leonid] Brezhnev rather. Goodness knows, that was a mistake. Brzezinski is the chief uh, fascist advisor to the Carter Administration. The chief potential uh, successor to Soviet leader Brezhnev was Fyodor Kulakov, and tragically, he died suddenly at the age of 60 years. No in\u2013\u00ad intimation by the capitalist press, and they would if there was anything clandestine, he just had a massive uh, coronary. He had uh, been noted for his humanitarian concerns and would\u2019ve made a very progressive leader, so this will mean the Soviets will have to look for someone else in the line of succession.<\/p>\n

The dissident trials\u2013 another one\u2019s being add\u2013 added to it, but it\u2019s a\u2013 a small number, indeed, when you compare the fact that ninety<\/em> percent of our jails and prisons are filled with untold tens<\/em> of thousands of blacks and Indians and Asians. Anybody can see that that is political uh, imprisonment. Disproportionate. Anyone knows that black people suffer. In the press, they\u2019re characterized uh, in bestial terms. Everyone knows that there\u2019s political harassment and imprisonment in USA, when you see the only black Senator [Edward Brooke] charged with perjury<\/em>, and\u2013 to get him out of office. Just because he\u2019s black. No one\u2019s ever been charged with perjury in their domestic uh, proceedings before. No other uh, black\u2013 uh, white person\u2019s been charged with 37 felonies, like Congressman [Charles] Diggs, who\u2019s been a humanitarian, the founder of the Black Caucus, the chairman of the uh, uh, House of Representatives uh, Committee on African Affairs. No one else. He faces 175 years in the\u2013 in the prison. If USA\u2019d only get on us, then perhaps they\u2019d have some respect in their so-called quest for human rights.<\/p>\n

(unintelligible word) Another tragedy, a Ch\u2013 the head of the Christian Institute, a brave doctor had to flee South Africa, as he was targeted for death. He made it. He got into Botswana, that has broken away, and he is in safety.<\/p>\n

Khartoum, by the way, some have questioned where it is, it is in Sudan. Look it up on your map. Overlooking the beauty of the Nile. That\u2019s where this historic uh, 49 nation African conference in taking place, uh, and the historic decision came down today, in spite of all<\/em> US imperialist pressure, capitalist pressure, and her allies in NATO, they refused<\/em> to censure Cuba, and in fact, said that Cuba would be invited whenever any African nation chose to or the whole Pan-African uh, force, (clears throat) and that is historic, because of the 49 nations in Africa, they\u2019re not majority socialist. They just got that much pride to have their own independence, and the right of self-determination. Even Nigeria came out in strongest<\/em> condemnation and uh, it\u2013 it\u2019s been to the right, the oil-rich nation of Nigeria. It has demanded, I mean demanded<\/em>, worldwide commemoration for the prison\u2013 those held in prison in Union of South Africa. He said uh, all black people should have this consciousness, and they have demanded that the first<\/em> task of the Pan-African force would be to liberate the people of Union of South Africa, and Nigeria is not a socialist democracy, not even a social democracy, though it\u2019s moving uh, leftward after Carter was caught meeting with some rich bankers and oil entrepreneurs, you remember, in the Hilton Hotel there.<\/p>\n

Anyway, I don\u2019t know what else. Cambodia, Kampuchea has uh, reached some agreement with Thailand over the border clashes that were threatening the peace there. Kampuchea \u2013 but this is a capitalist slant \u2013 said that Vietnam is trying to swallow them up. Vietnam of course is a socialist\u2013 the socialist South and North reunified, and it\u2019s very pro-Soviet. However, even BBC said, Kampuchea could not answer Cambodia\u2013 those are two names, Kampuchea is the revolutionary name, Cambodia\u2019s the old colonial name that the white people put on that nation. But the BBC said that their answers on uh, mass persecution wa\u2013 were not satisfactory. They could not uh, whitewash, they couldn\u2019t wash away all the charges.<\/p>\n

The (sighs) uh, major industrial uh, countries of capitalism, of course, are still in Bonn trying to hurdle this protectionist wave that\u2019s growing. Uh, each nation looking after its own ass. Nationalism, it\u2019s called. A dangerous element in a nuclear age. Nationalism we\u2019ve seen in the name in of communism, but it\u2019s more fierce, more devastating, it takes more risks in the name of capitalism, because they know, the ruling capitalists of the world know that they would be charged as Hitler\u2019s arch-capitalists were, with war<\/em> crimes, if they were ever defeated. That\u2019s why nuclear war is very certain.<\/p>\n

So if we were not against elements in USA government and ruling circles, if we were not for any other socialist movement in the world, the problems facing us, we were black and poor, Indian, Asian, poor whites that have been eliminated now, as we saw in the miner\u2019s strike. They were eliminated. They were low\u2013 allowed to starve, and nobody came to their rescue. The poor white are just as much uh, the disdain of the elite. So those problems would\u2019ve been ours. We woulda still needed to go to this lovely opportunity in Guyana, where we have fertile soil, land, room, no racist elements breathing down us, no threats of genocide, and obviously, our children have prospects of a future. In USA, no one can count on a future. No person of color, because they may be in a concentration camp<\/a> the next day, and everybody \u2013 I don\u2019t care whether they Rockefeller to the poorest \u2013 the threat of nuclear war hangs over their head, and anthropologist [Margaret] Mead, remember, said this is the only safe place in the world that would come out relatively untouched.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m not happy that we couldn\u2019t put the whole of every little baby in the world, every family, in this bosom, this Shangri-La. But let\u2019s be appreciative of it, and produce<\/em> it, because if we do, we\u2019ll have a firm base, we\u2019ll be helping Guyana, they\u2019ll see our goodwill, as we\u2019ve seen it in the rescuing of lives this week, we\u2019ve saved three Guyanese (unintelligible word) lives. Obviously.<\/p>\n

I think that is the end of the news. I didn\u2019t mean to give so much, but it\u2019s important that you keep up, and I will not be giving long news commentaries in the future, but you must all know this one. Much love, and it\u2019ll be added to the news that I\u2019ve already given, and there\u2019ll be a stronger emphasis upon Guyanese news, because we are Guyana, we are in Guyana. We are members of the Guyanese community, and we are going to help Guyana in its worthy goal of feeding and clothing and housing its people.<\/p>\n

Thank you, and much love.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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