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This tape was transcribed by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Carol Park: <\/strong>Mr. Jones uh, the Peoples Temples I understand is involved in a lot of community activity, projects type things, could you perhaps tell us about some of them?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, we have uh, several geriatric programs, we\u2019re\u2013 we\u2019re now sitting in the residence of one facility that I think is very interesting in that it\u2019s self-managing. The seniors conduct their own affairs. Our professional people come in daily to render assistance and of course ma\u2013 maintenance people to do heavy work, but they manage their own program and dictate what they wish to eat, and do their own cooking. And it\u2019s quite (unintelligible word). We have uh, one here in her nineties, and she\u2019s functioning very well. 98, in fact. She makes the best lemon pie you can put your mouth to.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>(unintelligible \u00a0beginning) So they do their\u2013 their housekeeping and their cooking, and then the medical assistance when needed it\u2013 it comes by daily. Is that the idea?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, the nurses come in to check regularly, because uh, the average age uh, in here is very high, but I uh\u2013 I\u2013 we announced a cleaning\u2013 we\u2013 we do have people who come in to do that sort of thing, because falls are quite easy to happen. But I\u2019m\u2013 In terms of how their home is decorated, what they want to go on and what they want to eat, and their routine, they determine that.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>That certainly is a change from what most of the uh, convalescent homes and uh, geriatric homes in most of the country. Uh\u2013 I understand you also have a\u2013 a fam\u2013 to support a family care facility?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh, we have a couple of family care facilities, uh, where uh\u2013 I think most of the patients are non-ambula\u2013 are\u2013 are ambulatory, but uh, they\u2019re not even members in those other two facilities, they\u2019re actually managed by people, we believe in encouraging people uh, to get\u2013 get ahead in business, uh, people who have a sensitive conscience, and so the church owns the properties, but they\u2019re managed by\u2013 one\u2019s a Jewish couple, and in the other case, uh, uh, I think they Bap\u2013 they\u2019re Baptist background.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>And do you give them financial assistance when they need it, or\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, we do. Uh\u2013 In\u2013 We uh, maintain the properties in a very unusual way. I think if you go through any of our facilities, you\u2019ll see that they\u2019re very well kept up, the landscaping and gardening, and a lot of extra little things that sometimes are neglected, in the\u2013 in the private institutions.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>What exactly is a\u2013 a family care facility? Uh, who\u2013 who is it for, and it\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The people that are a step between uh, (stumbles over words) I\u2019m not<\/em> too familiar with all these uh, designations. Boarding home facility I think is a matter of just uh, one jurisdiction, uh, as to whose\u2013 who\u2019s jurisdictionally in charge. The family care means that a person is not qualified for convalescent type of care. In other words, uh, geriatric hospital type of care. They\u2019re still able to get about. And all of our people do. They putter in gardens, and we fixed an artificial pool in one of them, uh, that is stocked with catfish, and so they have a delightful time there, and a lot of uh, lawn furniture and uh, a croquet sets and that kind of thing, that keep them active and uh\u2013 we encourage a lot of activity, because one of the tragedies of American life is that it seems that there\u2019s no place for people when they grow old.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>Yes, it seems that\u2013 that with the families\u2013 the families don\u2019t want the parents of the\u2013 parents in the families, and the\u2013 I remember as a child, there was a great deal of uh, fun that I had between my<\/em> grandmother and my\u2013 and myself, and she helped me get over many rough places that uh, in today\u2019s family, the grandparents are uh, off living somewhere else and totally put away in a nursing home, and I think that \u201cput away\u201d is a good term for it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Unfortunately in many instances, uh, particularly with the increase of uh, large corporations owning the geriatric facilities, and the small businessman increasingly being forced out by the high cost of operation, which disturbs me. Very interesting facet here is that uh, a person is uh, taken care of on their ability to pay. And we have one lady who has no<\/em> funds, and she has the feeling that she doesn\u2019t want to go to welfare, or any special services, she feels an independence, we honor that independence, we do not demand that people uh, avoid welfare uh, services, because that\u2019s uh, right\u2013 their rightful\u2013 uh, it\u2019s their rightful uh, position not to take the things, aid from the state, but uh, we have a practice in this facility that people can pay according to their ability.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>Uh, I mentioned that a children\u2019s shelter or a children\u2019s\u2013 some\u2013 something to do with a children\u2019s home.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Home for exceptional children, uh, polarized uh, towards the retarded level. And it\u2019s amazing what the Jewish couple have done with these uh\u2013 these children. They uh\u2013 There\u2019s room for a great deal of mind expansion, and uh, I\u2019m just delighted with what\u2019s happening at the children\u2019s ranch. This ag\u2013 again is a facility that is\u2013 I\u2019ve forgotten the institutional uh, category, but it\u2019s licensed by the state and it is filled to capacity, none of our own church children uh\u2013 they come from various uh, church backgrounds, and<\/em> non-church backgrounds, but a very<\/em>wholesome program for them there.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>What\u2013 what ages does that cover?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2013 I think most of them are uh, in their late teens, and we have some\u2013 I think most of them in their late teens.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>I see. Oh, that\u2019s really good thing to hear\u2013 I know there\u2019re an awful lot also of the (soft laugh) kids that have problems with uh, mental retardation that, once again, they seem to be put in a place where they can simply stay out of trouble all day. (Pause) I uh, heard that there\u2019s an animal shelter. Is that true?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes. We do have. We have been uh, in the past, I think, averaging 20 animals either brought to us directly, which is humane, or dropped off in gunny sacks and in the most inhumane manner. We are\u2013<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>You mean, people just\u2013 just bring them and drop them on the doorstep of the church?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Or throw them in the ditch. The animal problem is uh, herculean. Local veterinarians have been very cooperative. The church budget\u2013 These are\u2013 these are times of economic depression for all of us in some ways, and the church finances are certainly not up to the par<\/em> than they were a few months ago, we are just at the end of uh\u2013 I\u2013 we\u2013 I don\u2019t see how we can take any more animals. We don\u2019t like euthanasia, we\u2019re afraid of what euthanasia can mean in a lot of things, start on the animal ledel\u2013 level and uh, then perhaps someday, people who talking about human<\/em> euthanasia. So we\u2019ve never had to put any\u2013 any animal to sleep, but we\u2013 our facilities are crowded. And if you\u2019ll notice, we have a\u2013 I have uh, several cats, sev\u2013 few dozen, and they\u2019re all very well taken care of, they\u2019re all neutered, all the dogs here are neutered, and uh, they\u2019re given every shot imaginable in the best\u2013 the very top-notch health condition. And we have uh, a chimpanzee, a coup\u2013 a monkey, uh, let\u2019s\u2013 (stumbles over words) who are very well taken care in a zoo-like situation, we\u2019ve built quite a large facility for the chimpanzee and the little monkey, that she did, (unintelligible ) come out in a cage, it\u2019s about the size of this room. We have a parrot. Things that people discard after the novelty wears off. And a host of all types of little birds, pigeons that\u2019ve been injured, little\u2013 little\u2013 every type of bird you can imagine that have their wings injured, but we nurse them back until they\u2019re, uh, you know, able to maintain themselves, but not quite yet ready to be turned loose in the wild again.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>Well, that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s really beautiful. Uh, what did you do with the cats, if you uh, get them and you spayed or neutered them, and uh, you can\u2019t find a home for them, do you just keep on trying?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> At this point\u2013 At this point we have not had to uh, be put in that position where we haven\u2019t<\/em> found a home, but uh, I think I receive seven calls today, and I\u2013 I spoke to the secretary. We are at the end of ourselves, because uh, we have to study placement, and a lot of people take animals, uh, with a temporary in\u2013 temporary interest, and uh, it soon wears thin.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>And they don\u2019t get their animals spayed or neutered, and so then, before they know it\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, we\u2013 we won\u2019t place them. We neuter them before we place them.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>And that\u2019s\u2013 you do that at your own expense?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Park: (Sighs) <\/strong>Oh, well, I knew the co\u2013 county animal shelter certainly is inadequate for its treatment of cats, uh, it\u2013 and it uh\u2013 kill for like almost the same day they get them in now, according to the uh, head person out there. Uh, let\u2019s see\u2013 (Pause) Last week or so, I was in at the county courthouse, and I noticed that uh, a coffee and doughnut\u2013 sort of coffee hour was going on there, and I was told that was associated with the Peoples Temple church.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> To maintain some of our services, uh, we at Christmas give uh, oh, I don\u2019t know how many uh, gifts to non-members. We do a lot of things for non-members. We offer one of the attorneys, he\u2019s uh\u2013 in our church, he gives free legal counsel to\u2013 to members and<\/em> non-members, and he\u2013 of course, his workload is just about to the\u2013 the hilt too. Uh, we give clothing and food and all sorts of assistances, and these are m\u2013 measures in which we can help raise some of the necessary funding, and it\u2019s really a tremendous job to raise the funds.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>Is that a regular event then?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2013 I don\u2019t know how regular, but it happens two or three times a year, at least, I think.<\/p>\n

Park: <\/strong>I see. Okay, Well, thank you very much, Reverend Jones. This is Carol Park for Channel 13.<\/p>\n

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Balance of tape consists of segments of TV programs<\/p>\n

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