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(This tape was transcribed by Kristian Klippenstein. The<\/em> editors gratefully acknowledge his invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

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SIDE A<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: [Begins mid-sentence] I said they\u2019re accused of being drunk. Are you drunk tonight? Are you reckless tonight? The early church, they used to say \u201cMaranatha! The Lord is at hand!\u201d They went from house to house breaking bread. Let\u2019s read some of the attributes. I want to tell you, it\u2019s either we get this or we ought to go back and join the law.<\/p>\n

Congregation: [<\/strong>Slight laughter]<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Hmm? Some of you ought to go back to the nightclubs, \u2018cause that\u2019s where your heart is anyway. You ought to go back to that television. It was an effort to turn it off tonight. There your heart is, there will your treasure be also. You\u2019re gonna have to get above<\/em> it. Amen!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Some people said, [unintelligible], I\u2019m walking with God, it\u2019s such an effort\u2013 I<\/em> [unintelligible word] all the time and cry for women. You better get to the place where you get victory over some of the things, \u2018cause you\u2019re don\u2019t get your heart with God, where your heart is, that\u2019s what gonna matter in the long run. Oh, I know, surely there\u2019ll be temptation. When you begin to walk with God, there\u2019ll be all sorts of things. If you were tempted in morals, you\u2019ll have an awful fight. But if you\u2019re ten, fifteen years old and you\u2019re still burning with lust (voice rises to ministerial fervor) there\u2019s something wrong<\/em> [1:00]<\/span> with you!<\/p>\n

Congregation<\/strong>: [Speaks in response]<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: If you\u2019re ten or fifteen years old in the Gospel of Christ, you ought to be overcoming some things. [pounds pulpit, in full throat] Come on now, children, [pounding obscures speech], to the master stature, to the fullness of Christ Jesus. I want to get this thing that makes you a new creature, and I\u2019m either going to get it or I\u2019m not going to fool around being a hypocrite for nobody<\/em>! [voice drops] I don\u2019t want to have the charge said to me, Woe unto you, scribes and hypocrites. I don\u2019t want to hear them say\u2013 hear them say with a loud voice in the synagogue, wanting to be seen by men, raising their voice that they might hear you. I don\u2019t want that charge made against me, do you?<\/p>\n

Congregation<\/strong>: No.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I\u2019m not through, telling you blessings. I hope I\u2019m through, anyway. Unless some of you resist it too much, then I might preach \u2018til I get you to [unintelligible word]. [pause] [Reads Acts 2:40] \u201cAnd with many other words did he testify, and he exhorted, saying save yourself from this untoward generation.\u201d Who? This terrible generation of religion that had a\u2013 actually encompassed [2:00]<\/span> the whole earth. Everyone was in the royal order of Sadducees or Pharisees or something. That untoward generation was religioning. There was nothing more mean than religion. [voice begins rising in intensity] If you don\u2019t have the spirit of Christ, don\u2019t substitute a form of government\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019d rather be an outright harlot and drunk any day than to have a form of government. Amen! How many in here with our hearts are far miles from me, and length span away from this love of God and going through a\u2013 a song and a dance and so much religious zoology. I want the presence of God, or I don\u2019t want it at all!<\/p>\n

Congregation<\/strong>: Calls of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: [Reads Acts 2:41] \u201cThen they gladly received his word and what\u2013 they that gladly received his word were baptized. And the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.\u201d I tell you, when we get it, something\u2019ll happen to you.<\/p>\n

Congregation<\/strong>: Calls of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: [Reads Acts 2:42] \u201cAnd they continued steadfastly in the apostles\u2019 doctrine and fellowship.\u201d This doctrine wasn\u2019t a passi\u2013 uh, a passive thing. It was an active thing. It was charged [unintelligible word] the word doctrine came from, [3:00]<\/span> and it\u2019s [unintelligible word] word meaning learning. They learned about the ways of God\u2013 Wake up children! If you\u2019re sleeping, now, wake up! [words obscured under pulpit pounding] If you need healing, come up here, I\u2019ll get you healed. Because God\u2019s able to take their burdens away tonight. Don\u2019t you believe that?<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>He\u2019s able to remove<\/em> these terrible slumbering spirits. The reason we can\u2019t endure the preaching is because we\u2019re just a little bit cold<\/em>. We got too much of the world<\/em> involved in our lives<\/em>. We\u2019re entangled with the affairs of man. We\u2019re gonna have to get victory over it. Sure<\/em> I\u2019m not a good preacher, but that doesn\u2019t make anything to do with it! Paul said he spoke with contempt, there wasn\u2019t anything particularly popular about his words. He didn\u2019t have any brilliant passing words of man\u2019s wisdom, he came to them simply in the boldness of the Holy Ghost! [Claps hands] And you that [unintelligible words] or you\u2019ve got to sleep all the time, you need to get healed and you need to call on God. He is the [unintelligible] the top of the peak of [unintelligible words].<\/p>\n

Congregation<\/strong>: Light applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[speaks heatedly, pounds pulpit] And I don\u2019t care if there\u2019s not a dozen of ya come back next time, because for three years I haven\u2019t taken any money for the gospel, and I\u2019m free<\/em> from all mammon. I\u2019m the first of all! Either you endure sound doctrine [4:00]<\/span> when I <\/em>preach, or you don\u2019t hear it!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Voice drops] You\u2019ll be happy if he just don\u2019t come back. [Claps once] I\u2019ve met about a hundred and fifty thousand people since God, uh, gave us uh, the little simple gift that we have. They come and they go. I\u2019ve met a lot of people\u2013 I don\u2019t know where they all went, but, it\u2019s just good to be still keep preaching Jesus.<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Amen. Or O-meen.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: I tell you, when you realize that Jesus Christ, the riches of Jesus Christ are unsearchable and inexhaustible, you\u2019ll keep an active learning phase. He said they were learning, they were\u2013 they continued steadfastly in the apostle\u2019s doctrine. Not a static church that looks backward, not a church that looks to the sunset, but a church that looks to the sunrise. When God\u2019s people really get filled with the Holy Ghost, they\u2019re always looking forwards! They\u2019re looking for a new truth, and new horizons. They\u2019re not afraid. Some people said, I have a\u2013 One old sister used to say, I haven\u2019t grown, I haven\u2019t [5:00]<\/span> moved one sixteenth of an inch in twenty years since I got the Holy Ghost. Well, that\u2019s a terrible thing to say! If you don\u2019t know any more today than you knew yesterday, you\u2019re not really filled with the Holy Ghost. [Voice rises] Because the Holy Ghost will charge<\/em> you! The Holy Ghost will teach<\/em> you! The Holy Ghost will lead you and guide you into all<\/em> truth! If all you know is Acts 2:4 and Acts 2:38 and a little message about the Atonement and the resurrection and pie in the sky and gold in the sweet by-and-by, you don\u2019t know nothing of what\u2019s going on!<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Did you hear me? You just don\u2019t know what\u2019s going on! [in full throat, partially obscured by calls from congregation] \u2018Cause God was [unintelligible words] But God is a God that\u2019s at hand! He\u2019s a God that\u2019s [unintelligible words] in you! Hallelujah! He\u2019s the [unintelligible words] power I\u2019m speaking of. If you\u2019re not ready tonight, [Claps once] if your soul\u2019s not going tonight, [Claps once] you\u2019re dead! [Claps once] You haven\u2019t got the Holy Ghost! You\u2019ve got a bondage! You\u2019ve got a bond. Well, I\u2019m gonna resurrect the\u2013 [Claps once] the kingdom for you.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Calls of assent [6:00]<\/span><\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[voice calms, congregation responds antiphonally throughout] [Reads Acts 2:42] \u201cAnd they continued steadfastly in the apostle\u2019s doctrines. And they continued steadfastly in the apostle\u2019s doctrine. And fellowship. And in breaking of bread, and in prayer.\u201d You know why? I want to be in a church that has a feeling that you\u2019re with a band of brothers and sisters, don\u2019t you? We\u2019re so starchy when they come in, somebody got a [unintelligible words], [short laugh] somebody got a [unintelligible word] of stewardship, any more of you got to be told when to lift your hands, and when to praise the Lord. But I want to get to the place where we stand up, like a few of you did tonight, when we sang something. One stood up, and another stood up, and they were anxiously praising God.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Calls of assent<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I wanna be in a church where people are not afraid of the altar, not afraid of slobbering a few tears over one another. Not afraid of giving on another a holy kiss. C\u2019mon.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Murmurs [7:00]<\/span><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Some of the Pentecostal people, they amuse me. They\u2019ll be fixing to die on every other scripture, but they\u2019ll say, That holy kiss, that\u2019s a custom. They\u2019ll say, That was a custom back there. Or foot-washing. That was a custom back there.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Oh, it\u2019s wonderful how we can make a custom out of one thing and a law out of another.<\/p>\n

Congregation<\/strong> Laughter, then murmurs throughout<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Who<\/em> do we say we are? You need to wash somebody\u2019s foot today, most of you. You got too much starch today\u2013 you need to wash somebody\u2019s feet. And not some little grandma that you love, but you need to go to that fella that you don\u2019t like at all. I never will forget one of those sister foot\u2013 foot-washers in our church. She was so starchy and so icicle-y, she said, I\u2019m<\/em> not going to wash feet. And she said, well\u2013 Finally we talked her into washing feet, she did, she\u2019s gonna wash the foot of a friend. She went to the friend, the friend wouldn\u2019t have her wash\u2013 She wouldn\u2019t let her wash her feet. She said, You\u2019re not supposed to wash my feet. Lord told me somebody else supposed to wash my feet. And so that poor old sister just sat there, and set there, and the blackest Negro woman amongst you\u2013 she hated \u2018em, she hated \u2018em\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation <\/strong>Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2013so bad she couldn\u2019t, she couldn\u2019t stand [8:00]<\/span> them, [Claps once] she just couldn\u2019t stand to look at \u2018em. The blackest, ugliest, dirtiest, this old [unintelligible words] up and sit down and said \u201cwash my feet.\u201d<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And her fingers were on their feet [Claps once] \u2018til they stunk, but she washed the feet, and she got the victory when she washed the feet.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Laughing, cheering<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Claps] [Speaks quickly and insistently] One of my best members\u2013 I didn\u2019t speak that to race. I\u2019ve got a principal, and a doctor, and a dentist in my church, who is\u2013 are\u2013 are Negro. My best and most intelligent people, and some of my most forthright of our constituency, about ten percent are Negro. And by far, the ten percent of our Negro congregation has got more intelligence than some of our so-called white<\/em> people. But in our church, we don\u2019t call \u2018em white or Negro, we call \u2018em by name. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: You don\u2019t need to call me white or this or that or the other. Call me by name, if you want to get me. Just call me by name. Or just show your love and beckon me. I\u2019ll come. We don\u2019t have\u2013 there\u2019s no race in God. [Speaks more forcefully] There\u2019s neither male nor female, bond nor free, Jew nor Greek, Scythian nor barbarian. But if [9:00]<\/span> you don\u2019t want to wash somebody\u2019s feet, God\u2019ll let you sit by the dirtiest and the ugliest and the most uh, a\u2013 antagonistic situation. That\u2019s who you\u2019re gonna have to sit by! [Voice rises] I believe in foot<\/em>-washing. I haven\u2019t seen anybody\u2013 I haven\u2019t seen anybody that, uh\u2013 that has uh, humbled<\/em> themselves enough to get out of it. I believe in foot-washing! I believe in a holy kiss! I believe in old-fashioned hands! I believe in everyone [unintelligible words]! I don\u2019t believe in people standing back and lookin\u2019 on in kind of a doleful, [unintelligible word] non-spirited, find-me-an-undertaker, my friend is an undertaker, but I believe in getting up to the altar and pullin\u2019 people through and getting over them and sending your love across in their heart, and putting your hand on their back! I believe in [Words obscured by pulpit pounding]<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Agrees<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Calms] What did I say you should tell me about? Oh, you better not tell it.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I just about [unintelligible word]. But fellowship\u2019s a good ship to be on. So he\u2019s told me about another kind of a ship, I won\u2019t tell you about that. If you know what kind of a ship I\u2019m talking about, when [10:00]<\/span> there\u2019s not fellowship, it\u2019s an awful ship. Mmm? [Grows more intense] It\u2019s an awful ship when there\u2019s no fellowship. [Claps once] You need fellowship to get through the storms of life and the opposing forces of hell. You need fellowship. [Unintelligible words] We don\u2019t know enough about one another, we\u2019re afraid to touch<\/em> one another. We\u2019re afraid to say to our neighbor who we are. [Shouts] We oughtn\u2019t be able to look around and see who our friends are. We ought to be the first helping [unintelligible words] to take their hand if that person\u2019s a [Unintelligible word].<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Rises to full throat] Because we\u2019re members one of another! And before we leave tonight, I hope you\u2019ll grow<\/em>together and you\u2019ll get to know one another, and you\u2019ll tell somebody who you are and give them the love of God, because we gonna have to go in together! We\u2019re either gonna go in together, or we\u2019re not gonna go in at all. We\u2019re either gonna pray, Our<\/em> Father in heaven\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Yeah!<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: \u2013and that\u2019s gonna include the Russians and the Negro and the [unintelligible word] and the Baptist and the Trinitarian and the [unintelligible word]\u2013 we\u2019re either gonna say Our<\/em> Father, or there\u2019ll be no Father! He\u2019s not my <\/em>Father, but he\u2019s our<\/em> Father!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Yeah!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[In full throat] Our Father! Which art in heaven. [Claps twice] He\u2019s the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world! [Claps once] I want you to know [11:00]<\/span> I am a brother to the Quaker, I\u2019m a brother to every religion under the sun, if they love Jesus!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Amen!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[voice moderates] If for Calvary you\u2019ll stand, you\u2019re my brother, take my hand. I said, they broke bread. They used to have a custom in those days, they\u2019d take a piece of bread, and you had to break it with somebody, just a little bit [unintelligible word] with you. If you didn\u2019t do it, too bad for you. Oh, I\u2019d love to be back there with you. I\u2019d give my eye teeth to be back there in that kind of a situation. I wouldn\u2019t go back there from a revelation standpoint. This is the greatest hour in the world to be alive.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Assents.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>But wouldn\u2019t you like to have the same spirit as that early church?<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[speaks loud and quickly] Wouldn\u2019t you like to have the desperate hunger of that early church? How many really want it tonight? Do you want what God has for you? I\u2013 uh, I talked to an undertaker the other day, I had three funerals outside of our church community last week. I about decided, to let the dead bury the dead, \u2018cause everybody outside the church was calling me on, [12:00]<\/span> as they wanted me to bury them. And it\u2019s an awful thing to have to bury people all the time. It\u2019s hard to keep alive burying people. [Laughs]<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Slight laughter]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>But, anyway, I met the undertaker. That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I wish that [unintelligible words] place [Claps once] where we stuff \u2018em in the ground and praise God for the awakening and the reunion, instead of dressing \u2018em up and look at \u2018em for three or four days, and going through all that kind of a trauma. If I hadn\u2019t had to look at my baby doll and all those precious loved ones\u2013 I can remember them in a living state. When the six of \u2018em went out to meet God, and they danced their way around Elmwood Temple that night and they shouted like some of them have never shouted before, I\u2019d like to just let them go on to glory, and they said the last weren\u2019t there. But we dress up the dead\u2013 let the dead bury the dead! And instead of the church ought to get out of this. If you\u2019re one of those\u2013 I didn\u2019t mean to drop this in but I just say what I believe. If you\u2019re one of them that sends a lot of flowers and goes\u2013 goes through all that, why don\u2019t you give a little flowers while they\u2019re alive?<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Responds]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>C\u2019mon! Give \u2018em their flowers while they\u2019re alive, instead of dressing up uh, their carcass and\u2013 and, uh, and trying to praise the dead, we need to let the dead bury the dead, and go on and [in full throat] believe in the resurrection! They broke bread, and honey, in that\u2013 that undertaker told me, he said in the Mennonite church, [13:00]<\/span> they used to come to communion \u2013 \u2018scuse me \u2013 they used to come to communion and\u2013 and they\u2019d be ready to take the Lord\u2019s Supper, and the preacher looked up in kind of an authoritative way and he\u2019d said, Sister Jones, and Sister Smith, uh, if you\u2019ll please retire, or either come up here and repent, you don\u2019t take the Lord\u2019s supper because you can\u2019t take it unworthily. He said, Sister Jones, you\u2019re not speaking to Sister Smith, and uh, you think you\u2019re better than so-and-so, or you haven\u2019t paid your tithes. Uh-oh, we wouldn\u2019t like that, would we? Uh-uh.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Laughing assent]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You haven\u2019t done this, you haven\u2019t done that, and brother and sister, they didn\u2019t take holy communion until they got their lives straightened up. I\u2019d like to be in an atmosphere where man didn\u2019t do that, but where the Spirit made it impossible for a sinner to sit in the congregation of the righteous.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Assents]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Speaking earnestly] They broke bread and they had prayer. If you don\u2019t begin by speaking to God in the morning, you\u2019d better not speak to men. You\u2019ll get in trouble all day long. Let me tell you, in the house of God, they used to drop on our knees \u2013 listen<\/em> to a few of these points, it\u2019ll help our services \u2013 we used to drop on our knees and we\u2019d pray! Not only the preacher, but [pounds pulpit] every saint, every believer would drop on their knees and [14:00]<\/span> dedicate their little corner or atmosphere they were sitting in. If you don\u2019t begin your service with prayer, you don\u2019t need to expect God to have any part [unintelligible words] with it.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Murmurs]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And fear<\/em> came upon them. Reverence. Ah, we ought to get the attitude that old Martin Luther said: he walked through the world as if it were one big temple. We ought to have such a holiness and such a devotion, devotion and such a Christ-consciousness that everywhere we go, we reverence people and we reverence nature, and we reverence life. You<\/em>can\u2019t possibly be one person on the job and another thing in the church. Why, our vernacular in the church is \u201cPraise the Lord\u201d and \u201cGlory, Hallelujah\u201d and [high-pitched tone of voice] he-te-te-te-te-te-te [normal voice] and [unintelligible word] you meet \u2018em downtown and say, Hiya. You ever meet \u2018em downtown? You ever meet \u2018em when they work on the\u2013 uh, on the office [unintelligible word] is around, and the\u2013 the preacher come along and say, Praise the Lord! Hiya. Oh my God. [Pounds podium once]<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Laughs]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Voice rising] If you can say \u201cPraise the Lord\u201d in the house of God, then you say \u201cPraise the Lord\u201d down on the street corner!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Yeah!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Speaks quickly] I\u2019ll tell you this, though, I\u2019m not ashamed of the [15:00]<\/span> gospel of Christ! I am ashamed of this dumb fighting! I am ashamed of contention! I wouldn\u2019t get in argument, theology with anybody! I think it\u2019s a crime to discuss theology or politics and fuss and argue over it. If Christ can\u2019t convince people, then we ought to leave it alone. But I tell you, there\u2019s nothing to be ashamed of. We met a drunk the other day, a few of us met a drunk on the street corner, and he was, uh, in a terrible depression, and the traffic counters were moving and people were running around crying and horns were beeping, but he needed God right then! So we stopped on the street corner and we laid hands on him and people looked at us like they thought we were crazy, but we prayed that the powers of hell would loose him right there, down on Market Street and Alabama in the city of Indianapolis! [Pounding pulpit] We oughtn\u2019t to be ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Murmuring, agreeing]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Voice continues to rise] We oughtn\u2019t to be ashamed to witness for God! We oughtn\u2019t to be ashamed of the power of God\u2019s authority, the power of God and the salvation!<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Yes!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Do you feel like praying for somebody when you\u2019re on the street \u2018car\u2013 you had to walk all the way? Tell \u2018em \u201cI\u2019m a minister of God! I\u2019m a believer in Jesus Christ! I\u2019ve come to you in the name of Lord offering you peace, health, or strength!\u201d<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Amen!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Voice moderates] How many\u2019ll do that? Well, I won\u2019t ask any [16:00]<\/span> hands.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Murmurs, then slight laughter]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You ready to go home? Too bad. [Reads Acts 2:44] \u201cAnd all that believed were together, and had all things common.\u201d<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/strong>Watch out now.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>They were together. There was togetherness. There was accord, there was warmth, there was [unintelligible word]. We have now in the Temple four ministers\u2013 Brother [Archie] Ijames, the tall Negro minister who\u2019s with us. Brother [Jack] Beam, Brother [Russell] Winberg. It seems like when one gets a song, the other gets it. What one\u2013 what comes into one\u2019s mind comes into the other. They\u2019re not\u2013 I\u2019m not the<\/em> pastor, but we\u2019re four<\/em> pastors. And we get along beautifully. I\u2019m so thankful for just a little bit of it. Just a little<\/em> bit of it, the touch of togetherness that creates a fellowship in the heart. And we need that. I<\/em> won\u2019t elaborate on it. It speaks for itself. [Reads Acts 2:45] \u201cAnd they sold their possessions and goods, and parted [17:00]<\/span> them to all men, as every man had need.\u201d Now what\u2019re you going to do with that? Any opinion?<\/p>\n

Congregation <\/strong>[silent]<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: No, I didn\u2019t think so. [Reads Acts 2:46] \u201cAnd they, continuing daily with one accord in the Temple, and breaking bread from house to house\u201d\u2013 Where did they go? Where did Pentecost fall in the first place? In a holy cathedral? In a shrine of Jewish worship? In a synagogue? No, it fell in a house. God meant to sanctify every natural thing. The first church met in a house. I think some of you\u2019d be better off if we went back to meeting in the house, too.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Laughter]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Voice becomes more passionate] Don\u2019t you? I think some of you\u2019d be better if we went from house to house breaking bread. We\u2019d be better off than what we\u2019re doing, setting up churches and [unintelligible word, sounds like \u201cglory sessions\u201d] on every corner, fighting [unintelligible word] we sing\u2013 What were they, the three-cornered uh, harmony they\u2019d sing. Uh, that will be blowing from me. Brother, how\u2019d that song go?<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>[Speaks quietly in background] One church was singing [unintelligible words], [18:00]<\/span> another church was singing [unintelligible words]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[speaking calmly] It\u2019s true. And it\u2019s pitiful. Communism has\u2013 has sold itself to the position of the group mind.<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>There\u2019s only one thing that\u2019s going to counter communism. It has its Messiah. It has its Bible. It has its Kingdom. And the only thing that\u2019s going to stop it \u2013 and that\u2019s going to have to come about quickly \u2013 is for us to sell what we have, and impart them to every man that had need. Some people look at me, and I now have seven children. And some people look at me, and say \u201cThat\u2019s all right. That\u2019s what Brother Jones is called for.\u201d<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>[Laughs]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s the biggest damnable lie that the devil ever dropped in their hearts.<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019m twenty-eight years old. By nature, [19:00]<\/span> I\u2019d like to take my wife [Marceline Jones] and have a big time\u2013 I used<\/em> to, not anymore. I love my family. You can get yourself harnessed to the gospel of Christ if you want to. You can<\/em>obey. He said, He that loves me keeps my commandments. You can learn to do it. I\u2019m not perfect. God, I wish I were. I wish I had ten times more God than what I have. But I don\u2019t know how people can pass up scripture after scripture, and not do it. God for some time has been putting it upon our hearts to sell what we have and give it to the corporate community of our church. Our Temple now\u2019s starting our restaurant, a mission that will feed people without cost and no charge. We\u2019re starting a grocery, where there\u2019ll be no charge for food. We ask people to give as God blesses them. Not with charge for anything, because God is free and everything you have is free. And it\u2019s been provided. Our aged home \u2013 the nicest in the state of Indiana \u2013 has been established on a basis from each according to his ability to each according to his need. [20:00]<\/span> And the devil will try to kill you every way he can. We have rehabilitated\u2013 I\u2019ve been a chaplain at our state prison, a woman\u2019s prison there for some time\u2013 uh, part-time relationship last year, and we\u2019ve taken about five prisoners from that prison. And we had some fortunate experiences, but the other day after taking one girl for three years, uh, two years rather, taking her in free for almost a time when she [unintelligible word], she went into my mail, because when I had people working for me, I trust them. She went into our mail and forged four hundred dollars\u2019 worth of cheques this week. And it\u2019s down into\u2013 I don\u2019t know how much it\u2019s going to get into\u2013 that\u2019s what Brother Kleinman was telling you about. When we\u2019re trying to adopt ten more children, to bring them into our church homes, Brother Beam signed to get one, and it\u2019s taken five thousand dollars to get them over, and no<\/em> cooperation. I tell you, you never anything like it in all your life, the richest churches in our town says [mimicking voice] \u201cOh, well, they\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019re good to people but they\u2019re kinda fanatical you know.\u201d They\u2019re building their big mosque and using their mausoleums and\u2013 and their cathedrals and their gravestones. [21:00]<\/span> That\u2019s the truth! I don\u2019t know what\u2019s in on Columbus but in Indianapolis they\u2019re building million and a half churches [voice rises sharply] I tell you: that\u2019s of the devil. I said, that\u2019s of the devil!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Responds; murmurs]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Voice continues rising in intensity] Building great big shrines and great big cathedrals and plush cushions for us to sit on and fine cathedral windows when people are starving to death. I tell you, I\u2019d risk being a [unintelligible word] any day than to be in that kind of an outfit when Jesus come. I wouldn\u2019t be in it!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Agrees]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[speaks loudly] Did you hear what I said? Our church is [unintelligible words], but we bought that synagogue for fifty thousand dollars, a great big synagogue, it cost them a half million to build. We bought what somebody else had. We\u2019re putting our restaurant in it, we\u2019re putting our commissary in it, we feed and clothe fifty to a hundred people a week and we\u2019re putting our grocery in it, and we\u2019ll have that thing all used for the kingdom work of God. And if we can\u2019t use something in that thing, we\u2019re either gonna [unintelligible]. We\u2019re\u2013 We\u2019re tired of heating unnecessary parts. Because I believe that everything ought to be used for the glory of God. No time to waste any of God\u2019s money. Can you say amen?<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And if you\u2019re wasting God\u2019s money today by putting it in [22:00]<\/span> some church that\u2019s just doing a rat race or formality and feeding some preacher, keeping him plush, and just building a form, you are a\u2013 you\u2019re doing a work that is wrong<\/em>. You\u2019d better get out<\/em> of that thing and, uh, uh, become a part of the active work of the Spirit. If you don\u2019t have anybody you can believe in\u2013 I can believe in this man because he\u2019s a real man of God. But if you don\u2019t find anybody you can believe in, then you<\/em> go to doing the work of the gospel.<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Say, bless the Lord. [Reads Acts 2:46-47] \u201cThey continued daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house. They did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.\u201d Said they had joy and they had gladness. They look at us, we\u2019re gloomy, we\u2019re tired, we\u2019re clock-watchers. Tonight there\u2019s some clock-watchers in here\u00a0[23:00]<\/span> looking for a loaf and a fish. It\u2019s no good. Looking for a reed to be shaken in the wind. That\u2019s not what you need to be looking for. You need to be hearing what the word of God has to say. I know, if there wasn\u2019t a few people healed here every week that I come or, uh, a person, uh, different ones called out by discernment, I know I\u2019m not telling you any riddle. I know some of you wouldn\u2019t come to hear me preach. But brother, sister, you\u2019re not gonna be saved by the signs. You\u2019re gonna be saved by the foolishness of the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Agrees]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And we need to realize it. When God comes in, there will<\/em> be joy. If you\u2019re not as drunk as they were on the day of Pentecost, if you\u2019re not as reckless, if you\u2019re not selling what you have, if you\u2019re not trying to dispose of your worldly possessions and give and to share and to have brotherhood and fellowship, there\u2019s something lacking in your heart. Why, it\u2019s common. We should be. They thought they were drunk on that day of Pentecost because there\u2019s nothing better than an old drunk. You ever see a drunk? I remember one time, a fellow telling about a drunk, that\u2013 that he knew, and he come up to him in the early part of the evening \u2013 a [24:00]<\/span> preacher \u2013 and he said he came up to him in the early part of the evening and he was telling this drunk, and he says, Ohhh, he says, Brother John, he says, if you get down there where my brother lives, tell him I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m about to starve, my hogs are about dead, and the barn\u2019s about to fall down, and he says, My God, if you don\u2019t send me some help \u2018fore long, I\u2019ll surely be in the poorhouse. And the preacher John just happened to be a little bit later on in the evening, about four or five hours later, he happened to meet the same man. He was just a little bit, uh, you know, that way of an old crow, and, uh, the\u2013 uh, the fellow looked at him. He says, Hey! Preacher John, he says, you seen my brother, tell him if there\u2019s just anything I can do for him, to call me up.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Laughs]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Speaks more passionately] Amen? That\u2019s what you do when you get drunk.<\/p>\n

Congregation member:<\/strong> Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You came from your woeful, complaining, gloomy, down-hearted, defeated spirit, saying \u201cI\u2019m about to die,\u201d that you may not have a dime, you may not have nothing \u2013 like Jesus said, having nothing \u2013 [in full throat] yet possessing all things! You have a faith<\/em>! A faith<\/em>. A power. You want to know what it is? [25:00]<\/span> God is gonna come in. Why, some people today, they were crying this week, were crying when, one said [unintelligible word] to another \u201cyou have to take her to law. The only way you\u2019re gonna get your money back\u2013 take her to law.\u201d My Bible says \u201cGo not to law.\u201d And I wouldn\u2019t go to law if she took two thousand dollars. If God can\u2019t fight my battles, then I\u2019ll not fight \u2018em at all. I\u2019ll\u2013 it\u2013 the mercy of the Lord. Even now, this young girl, because I\u2019ve shown mercy to her, it may be the thing that\u2019ll change her life, or at least it\u2019s not gonna hurt her. But we cannot help by going to law and wrestling with men. And some people worry about their money and worry about tomorrow and try to lay away for tomorrow. Bless their heart. The Kingdom is gonna be to those that have faith to face it, for those that\u2019ll be like a little child. It says, except you become as a little child, you will not enter into Kingdom. Some of you don\u2019t like to hear this tonight. Some of you don\u2019t like strong preachin\u2019. But you\u2019d better get ready [taps pulpit] to hear a lot more of it, if you want to grow up into the kingdom of God.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Murmurs]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I know some of you are about to [unintelligible word] you don\u2019t know what to do. Some of you haven\u2019t looked me in the eye for the last five minutes, but I\u2019m gonna look at you straight now.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>[Laughs]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Because I want to [26:00]<\/span> tell you, straight is the way and narrow is the gate that leadeth to life and through that Jesus Christ. Without wholeness, no one shall please the Lord. Not just buttons and bones, but a familiar, heart-felt holiness and that\u2019ll change you and clean you. I may not be a lot of things, but there\u2019s one thing I know I am tonight \u2013 a messenger, sent by God to save the [voice grows to ministerial fervor] [unintelligible words].<\/p>\n

Congregation member: <\/strong>Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Pounds pulpit, speaks forcefully] I know that as well as I\u2019m standing here. I know that there\u2019s weaknesses in my life but I know I\u2019m a forerunner, and I know some of you are forerunners. I know we\u2019ve been ordained for this hour, to get people back to the faith that was once delivered to the saints.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Yeah!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Pounds pulpit, In full throat] Repent! [Voice moderates] And repentance is going to start at the house of God. Judgment begins at the house of the Lord. [Claps once] Before we can go to the taverns, before we can go to the den of thieves, before we can get the money-changers out of the\u2013 and the vice world saved and delivered, the church is gonna have to be delivered. [Deliberate] You bow your head tonight, you haven\u2019t been drunk for the spirit of God. [27:00]<\/span> I hope you get drunk. If you\u2019re mad at me tonight, you\u2019re not got the Holy Ghost. I said, if you\u2019re mad at me tonight, you haven\u2019t got the Holy Ghost. Don\u2019t go away from here mad. [Pause] No sense [unintelligible word] just go away. But don\u2019t go away mad. And I wish some of us would<\/em> go away. I wish all the simple [unintelligible word], and all the hypocrites, and double-minded people would<\/em> go away. And I would that God would be there, hungering and those that are really [unintelligible words] with God would get together and they\u2019d shake their dust, shake their dust on worldly pollution, and church corruption out of their system and begin to serve God with all their hearts and all their minds and all their strength.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I cannot apologize for preaching an hour and a half tonight. You need it. Amen. Even though I ramble, even though it\u2019s the\u2013 not the best discourse, it was needed. And we all need it. Somebody\u2019s gotta preach to me. I\u2019ve got a dear brother Ijames, that tall [28:00]<\/span> prophet that, uh, [stumbles over words] precious Negro brother who\u2019s a prophet from uh, God if there ever was one, my associate minister. If I\u2019m [unintelligible word] a whipping, he\u2019s gonna give it to me. Brother, you need to get lined up, he\u2019s gonna line us up like nothing flat, and he don\u2019t say anything [unintelligible word]. No, he just said \u201cthus saith the Lord.\u201d And some of us need to hear [cries overwhelm mic]<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Yeah!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[In full throat] Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Repent, because the wrath of God is about to be poured out upon us. Repent, because the [unintelligible words] is in his hands and is separating the chaff from the wheat. [Pounds pulpit] Repent, because the sheep are about to be separated from the goats.<\/p>\n

Congregation member<\/strong>: Yes!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Tone moderates] Repent, because straight is the way, and narrow is the gate that leadeth to life, and few there be that find it. Brother, play something that\u2019s on your heart.<\/p>\n

[Piano music begins playing in background]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Hallelujah. [Glossolalia] [29:00]<\/span><\/p>\n

[Piano music]<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>[Speaking slowly, quietly] I love you. You better know it. When someone loves you, they\u2019ll tell you the truth. I went out last\u2013 tonight, we told those boys that were smoking and carrying on out there, about fifteen of \u2018em behind the church. I said \u201cI love you, and our church, and I know Brother Kleinman has the same spirit.\u201d I said we had times of fellowship, and we\u2019d be [unintelligible word] like crazy. I said in that [30:00]<\/span> house of God, around the house of God, that thing can\u2019t go on. And, you know, we wouldn\u2019t be your friend if we didn\u2019t tell you what was gonna be required of you. [Voice drops] You\u2019re gonna have to line up. I\u2019m gonna have to line up. Some awful impressive people missed the kingdom, almost. Moses went out of Egypt, left the spell of Egypt, but he smote the rock. My God, it was just on the border that he smote the rock. Where is that power tonight that would want them to do the same? I don\u2019t get healed. Where I put my hand, who doesn\u2019t prosper? Have you given your heart? Have you said yes? Have you just read a few scriptures and listened to a few preachers, tell you that sharing and breaking bread and going from house to house, selling what you have, that was for the Jews. But [31:00]<\/span> Acts 2:4 is for today. Have you listened to men\u2013 it\u2019s all right, take it easy, ones in the back. (Pause) Now you have to forget the moment. Bless the holy Lord. We get kinda restless, tired, bless their heart. Oh Hallelujah. [Hums along with piano] [Speaks softly] S\u2019all right, you can take it easy, it\u2019s all right, don\u2019t bother him, if you want to bring him right on back, [unintelligible words] bit of a respite. [Sings \u201cNo One Ever Cared For Me Like Jesus\u201d]<\/p>\n

\u2013like Jesus;\/
\nThere\u2019s no other friend so kind as he.\/ [32:00]<\/span>
\nNo one else could take the sin and darkness from me.\/
\nOh, how much he cared for me.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

[Speaking again, with piano continuing in background] Keep your heads bowed for a moment so I can get the mind of the Lord. Oh, there\u2019s such a famine for the hearing of the word. Not preaching of it, but the hearing of it. My God, people, they\u2019ll not endure sound doctrine. [Pause] How many have faith, pray, pray. How many of you really love Christ, pray with all your heart that people will be inclined to the gospel. To do what thus saith the Lord. Is there a heart here, is there a heart here that n\u2013 needs something [33:00]<\/span> from heaven that will lift your hand? Thank you, thank you. Three, four, five. You that need something from God, we really want to pray for you. You come up to this altar, I will pray personally. You need the baptism of the Holy Ghost. You need not only tongues but the power. Tongues are<\/em> the power. You come up to this altar, God will fill you. You that lift your hand, we need converts from that life, we need those that are willing to go all the way with God. Jesus prays [unintelligible words]. [Hums] If you hum it, hum it. Hum that song. [Hums along with piano music] [34:00]<\/span> [Speaks, as congregation sings along with piano music] [unintelligible words] Bless the Lord. [Pause] Lift your hands. Can you lift your hand now, believe the Lord? Who\u2019ll take that? Blessed be the Lord. Blessed be the Lord. Take it all. Take this [35:00]<\/span> spasm, I pray, in the name of Jesus, lift your hands just uh, lift them there. Lift your hands up, in the name of Jesus. By the power of the Holy Spirit, bring healing to this life. Father, you see the vacancy, we pray that thou would fill her with your presence and your power, in the name of the Son of God. Hallelujah. [Glossolalia] Blessed be the name of the Lord.<\/p>\n

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