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[Editor’s note<\/strong>: BB-17-mm-1 \u2013 mm-5 is a transcript of an conversation which Jim Jones had on Vibrations, an interview program San Francisco television station KPIX hosted by Cecil Williams of Glide United Methodist Church. The interview \u2013 transcribed from the Temple\u2019s tape of the conversation \u2013 appears as <\/em>Part 3 of Tape 683<\/em><\/a>, with links to both a summary and the MP3 of the interview. There are minor differences between the two versions.]<\/em><\/p>\n

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CHANNEL 5 (KPIX) San Francisco<\/p>\n

VIBRATIONS \u2013 Cecil Williams, host<\/p>\n

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Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0People\u00a0who are not only doing things, but people who\u00a0are really\u00a0bringing about change in our society. One cannot talk about it\u00a0at all, unless one mentions the name, the Reverend Jim Jones. Jim Jones, who is the pastor of the Peoples Temple Christian Church. He is\u00a0charismatic, he is serious about what he is doing, he is an excellent spokesman, a great articulator\u2013 What else can I say about you, Jim, except the fact that I\u2019m delighted that you\u2019re on our show today.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0And we\u2019re going to be talking to this man, and what\u00a0he is about, as soon as we come back.<\/p>\n

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Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Reverend Jim Jones, Peoples Temple Christian Church. You know, I really don\u2019t sit and talk with personalities on a one-to-one basis that often, but when I\u00a0do, I try to bring to\u00a0you, the viewers, the very most important people,\u00a0in regards to this kind of thing. And I\u2019ve brought to you a minister,\u00a0you\u00a0know. That\u2019s something that\u2019s very\u00a0difficult\u00a0for me to do, unless he\u2019s a\u00a0unique\u00a0minister, and he is. He is the man today. Jim, I\u2019m amazed by you. You know, many times I can\u2019t find words, because you are sometimes indescribable. You are a very important person, a very powerful person. You are a prophet in this time, and\u00a0ahead\u00a0of his time too. How did this come about, starting with yourself, moving in the direction that you are moving in?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>I saw a need, I guess, responding to it the best I could. It always seems so insignificant, Cecil, compared to the vast needs around you. That\u2019s how I got started, just looking at the needs.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0And when you talk about looking at the needs, you of course are relating to a lot of needs, not\u00a0only\u00a0in northern California and in the\u00a0state\u00a0of California, but needs throughout the country, as well as needs throughout the\u00a0world. We\u2019re going to be talking about\u00a0some\u00a0of those needs, but let\u2019s focus in on them . Why did you say, look, we gotta meet some needs and go about getting at those needs.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong> I feel like I\u2019m the jack of all trades sometimes, and master of none. Which direction?<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let\u2019s just talk about one in particular, Jim. One has to do with the fact that first of all, what are the things that you do, is when it comes to issues, and\u00a0especially\u00a0when it comes to defending people\u00a0who have to face injustices, you are always there, one way or the other. I think about for instance the situation in regards to the communications industry, the press.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong> I thought [President Richard] Nixon was coming down\u00a0severely\u00a0upon the press, and of course, without the [missing words from transcript, provided at Tape 638: \u201cFourth and Fifth Estate\u201d], where\u00a0are\u00a0we? As was clarified in the Watergate situation. We were\u00a0concerned\u00a0about the repression this represents, so we thought that we had to get\u00a0out\u00a0there and represent different newsmen who were under attack because of their\u00a0sources. And I guess our support, funding spread all over the United States, [reporter Bill] Farr first and then the\u00a0Fresno Bee, and then we gave monies to various news associations. We\u2019re very concerned about a free press.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Some even here in the Bay Area.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Oh yes.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0In regards to the free press, what were you really trying to say? That it should take place, that in fact any\u00a0information the press feels that it must keep confidential, it should be given that right to do so.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>It\u00a0has\u00a0to, because of the\u00a0intimidations\u00a0that we\u2019ve seen in such instances as Watergate. The press\u00a0has\u00a0to be able to keep their\u00a0sources, and I thought that our whole democratic\u00a0fabric<\/p>\n

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was being threatened. Not only myself, but our congregation here of 8000. It wasn\u2019t something unique to me. We\u2019re very much concerned that the press has the right to monitor society and be able to regulate excesses, help bring conscience to the community. We just felt there was nothing\u00a0left for us to\u00a0do. We had to\u00a0respond. Because it seemed that Mr. Nixon was on a\u00a0tirade\u00a0against the press.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0And yet there\u2019re times, Jim, that you and I and\u00a0others\u00a0are approached by the press and they do\u00a0disservice\u00a0to us.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Some. Every once in a while.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0We are misquoted, we are taken out of context and that kind of thing. How do you deal with that kind of thing, you know, when it happens to you. You\u2019re often in the press. You\u2019re often talked about.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>I don\u2019t know what one can do. I guess we have to take our chances for the negative aspects in order to allow the press to be free. We have to take the chance that there\u2019ll be a few that will practice yellow journalism, and I think there are a few, and I know one that got us both, so I don\u2019t get too much worried about it, as long as, the old saying goes, if they can print my name right in the paper. But we have to take the chance to the excess. It\u00a0hurts\u00a0when press is not responsible. I\u2019ve seen that in your case, and in\u00a0myself. But still, the press is the bulwark of democracy.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Jim, you\u2019ve taken a chance. You\u2019ve taken a chance, because you\u2019ve got all kinds of people in the Peoples Temple Christian Church. How far does your constituency extend? Again, how many places?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>We have 8000 in San Francisco. Then we have a church that I\u2019ve founded\u2013\u00a0We\u2019re all related with the Disciples of Christ, a two-million denomination. And then I have 10,000 members in our Los Angeles parish. I don\u2019t know the breakdown of Fresno, Bakersfield, and Sacramento, but it\u2019s pretty sizeable. And then in Redwood Valley, California, we have a pretty sizeable congregation up north around the Ukiah area.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Why did you begin to work with various racial and ethnic groups, trying to bring them together?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>It seems to me that it was just\u00a0right\u00a0that we be together. And I thought of\u00a0all\u00a0places, if Jesus Christ did not teach\u00a0inclusiveness. He said, we were our brother\u2019s keeper, and God is no respecter of persons. And certainly I believe in the voluntary type of approach to social problems. We are somewhat Jeffersonian, the government that governs least governs best. And if the\u00a0church\u00a0doesn\u2019t take its responsibility, where are we? It seems to me that the church had to initiate responsibility.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, you have taken a great deal of responsibility. For instance, let\u2019s talk just a little bit about some of the things that you\u2019re engaged in, in regards to the treatment of people. One in particular,\u00a0drugs, people that are strung out on dope, things like that.\u00a0What do you do, Jim? What have you come up on in regards to that kind of issue? How do you get at this issue?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>In our situation, we bring them into our homes. My wife and I have had many in our home. Love. Just a little bit of love. You don\u2019t have to have a great deal of professional skill. Our recidivism rate is\u00a0very low on heroin, for instance. But this savvy professional know-how, I don\u2019t think we have so much in that area. We have two psychologists working with us. I have seen great achievements being made by someone who just takes them into their home.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0It takes you a lot of your time too, Jim.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Yes, a great deal.<\/p>\n

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Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Jim, you got involved in one particular case of of a black young woman.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Marie Duckett.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Marie Duckett. Tell us a little bit about that.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>She was an amazing person. She came hooked on a habit of about four hundred dollars a\u00a0day, and of course she was involved in every type of crime that she could possibly get\u00a0into\u00a0to\u00a0maintain\u00a0that habit. Of\u00a0course, it was no time, before she completely rehabilitated\u00a0herself. I have to allow the emphasis to be kept on the individual. We gave her support and acceptance. We found out\u00a0later\u00a0that she had actually left probation, she had been a\u00a0fugitive\u00a0from\u00a0two\u00a0different\u00a0sentences, and when she brought this to our attention, the church decided, well, we\u2019re going to get in there and fight to straighten up her record, and we were able to\u00a0achieve\u00a0that by solidarity and appealing to the probation department, and the judge was most sympathetic, he allowed her probation to continue, and I think it\u2019s going to be finished about May\u00a0seventh.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know, I\u2019m just gonna move along with you here, because I\u2019ve got so much to cover, Jim. Let\u2019s talk about other people that you\u2019ve given support, other causes that you\u2019ve given support. for instance, Angela Davis [University of California professor who was fired over her membership in the Communist Party]. You did support her. Why\u00a0did you feel that you had to support her?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>I believe that when one person\u2019s rights are affected,\u00a0everyone\u2019s\u00a0is. We supported a John\u00a0Bircher\u00a0on one occasion. It seemed to me that Angela was the victim of political\u00a0oppression. I don\u2019t care whether she\u2019s a communist or if she\u2019s a member of the Nazi party. I believe in the First Amendment rights. I think that\u2019s very essential. It was Pastor [Martin] Niemoller who said when they came for the communist, I did nothing, because I wasn\u2019t a communist. When they came for the Jews, I had typical Protestant prejudices, and I didn\u2019t react. When they came for the Catholics and trade unionists, the same type of response. When they got around to coming after me, there was nobody left to defend me. It was enlightened self-interest. I don\u2019t believe we can restrict\u00a0anyone\u2019s\u00a0right of freedom of speech.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, you know, that puts you in a category of being\u2013\u00a0you can easily be called a communist, just by supporting the\u00a0rights\u00a0of a communist.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>I know that. I don\u2019t really care about that.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong> Jim, you\u2019ve been involved in a more\u00a0recent\u00a0defense and standing up for a person, namely [Native American activist] Dennis Banks.\u00a0Now, before we get into that, I just got a sign from the man who says, Take a break. So so we\u2019re gonna take a break. We\u2019ll come back and talk to Jim Jones about Dennis Banks in just a minute.<\/p>\n

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Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0We\u2019re talking to the Reverend Jim Jones from the Peoples Temple Christian Church. A vast number of people he\u2019s brought together, of\u00a0all\u00a0colors, of all ethnic backgrounds, all socio-economic levels. Jim, you have been working very hard to guarantee at least Dennis some equity in regards to what he\u2019s going through as it relates to his extradition. What\u00a0are you doing in regards to Dennis Banks at this point?\u00a0What\u00a0are you doing? I read a very fascinating story not too long ago about something that you did in bringing his family together. Tell us about that.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>His wife, Kamook, suffered a great deal of maltreatment. Her baby was born behind bars, they named her Iron Door Woman, and she wasn\u2019t even allowed the normal process of her breasts for the milk to be taken care of, so that she developed infections. She\u2019d been there for four months. We felt as a congregation that we had to\u00a0respond. Dennis Banks is a\u00a0good man. We\u2019ve helped a lot of people, and when they get their health, they\u2019re gone. The moment we helped this man \u2013 I think we raised $20,000 as a bond for\u00a0her\u00a0\u2013 he came back time and time again, responding with such graciousness, warmth and compassion. He wept before a congregation of several thousand, and it was really spontaneous. This is a good man. I think [reporter James] Schermerhorn said in the\u00a0Examiner, that all of his witnesses, and even his counsel, had been intimidated by the state<\/p>\n

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where he had come from, and even the Iowa Methodist put up his bond, and they said he had no other\u00a0choice but to leave, because there was even\u00a0threats\u00a0put out on\u00a0every one\u00a0of those witnesses, and\u00a0most\u00a0people have the feeling\u2013 in one of the, I think, one of the district attorneys said that if he comes back, the best resolution\u2013\u00a0[balance of paragraph not included in KPIX transcript]<\/em> for the Indian movement is a bullet in Dennis Banks\u2019 head. And we have to face the fact that the one that was arrested with him, Annie, I\u2019ve forgotten her last name [American Indian Movement (AIM) activist Anna Mae Pictou Aquash], they said she died of exposure, but there was pressure brought to bear, and she was exhumed, and they found a bullet at close range. And it looks pretty much like a conspiracy.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0See,\u00a0that\u2019s\u00a0why you\u2019re so important, because you\u00a0get out there, when the water is rough, you get out there when the\u00a0wind\u00a0is blowing, very strong currents\u00a0against\u00a0people. And\u00a0you\u00a0in many ways, and the people that you work with, help change that current and that tide, in regards to the lives of people. I want to deal with that in just a few minutes. You did something in the Tenderloin area for the senior citizens. They were about to lose protection. What happened in that situation? That\u2019s\u00a0my\u00a0area now, that\u2019s where I\u2019m located. And yet you come down getting in on the problems that we face down there.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Well, you get into problems everywhere so we thought we would help you out a little bit. This\u00a0situation touched us. Here is an inter-racial group of ex-Vietnam veterans who had a\u00a0warm\u00a0relationship, with predominantly white citizens, who had no love in their life, couldn\u2019t even get someone\u00a0to give them some groceries, and out of their meager salaries, they were helping\u00a0support\u00a0these senior citizens. And so again, the church felt that they should respond. The program was about to go down the tubes. We came up with the six thousand dollars to tide them over until they got funded. And they\u2019re funded, and I am very happy that that was one of the successes.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Another thing I want to say is that on November 30 last year, when\u00a0I\u00a0had sort of like a culmination of my ten years in San Francisco, we called it the change\u00a0agents coming together, a celebration for change. And at that particular time the Center for Self-Determination, a new program we\u00a0began at Glide, \u2013\u00a0had a benefit, and it was\u00a0Jim Jones\u00a0who brought 1500 people to that benefit, and who bought\u00a0tickets, close to 6000 dollars worth of tickets to that benefit. It was\u00a0this man\u00a0here and his people that did that. Jim, let\u2019s go on. I want to publicly say that to the people what you\u2019ve done for\u00a0me, but not only that, but just being a brother, being a close friend, where we can talk with each other.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Well, I wasn\u2019t doing it for you personally, Cecil, I think the community has to realize that if they\u00a0are\u00a0concerned about tyranny, communistic or fascistic, they are going to support groups such as yourself and get involved in everything, and\u00a0show\u00a0the people who feel alienated that they have a chance to work within society. It wasn\u2019t just a personal friendship. We approve of the things you\u2019re doing.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Let\u2019s talk about something that you\u2019ve got going in South America. You\u2019ve got quite a resourceful relationship, and some very\u00a0fascinating\u00a0things taking place down there. What have you got to say for it?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>We have an agricultural mission there on several thousand acres that we acquired from the Republic of Guyana. For instance, last week, we brought in 60,000 pounds of\u00a0yams, and that goes a long way to help with the poverty.\u00a0Plus\u00a0it\u2019s not a paternalistic-type of Christian mission. We give employment to about 200 people. And again, that helps to alter the ugly American image, and combat the forces of tyranny.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0That kind of response certainly does help. As you say, it is important to give jobs . But you see, that\u2019s the way you\u00a0are. You do that constantly. You\u2019ve\u00a0made\u00a0your stand. You\u00a0keep\u00a0making your stand. You will\u00a0continue\u00a0to make your stand. Do you know, the interesting thing about this man is the fact that that you have a lot of resources, in regards to taking care of not only people, but what do you do? Why did you get interested in animals?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Well, I\u2019m very sensitive about animals, [balance of paragraph not included in KPIX transcript] <\/em>but I think sensitive to life, there\u2019s\u00a0some\u00a0sort of correlation, I wouldn\u2019t want to generalize. I\u2019ve notice people who are hardened to animals often\u2013 It carries over, and they\u2019re hardened to humans. Of course, you have strange contradictions, where someone will give all sorts of regard, as Adolf Hitler did, for his animal, and have no regards for human beings. But we feel that you have to have sensitivity for the total life, and we\u2019re concerned that we take in as many animals as we can and neuter them \u2013 there\u2019s a terrible overpopulation and such cruel treatment. I am sure you\u2019re familiar with the way they\u2019re exterminated, some of them are crowded into a vat, or a gas chamber meant for one, they throw 16, 17 dogs in this kind of a situation. We\u2019re just opposed to cruelty. We like to help wherever there\u2019s need, and there\u2019s a great need with animals. And so, we find ourselves in every\u00a0facet\u00a0of life, we have geriatric homes, we have a children\u2019s home for retarded youngsters, I can\u2013 and we have a free legal services, a medical examination facility under doctors\u2019 auspices, physical therapist and nurse practitioners and R.N.s, particularly senior citizens in the lower socio-economic income level, they have a time with arthritis, and we have\u2013 we\u2019re equipped with (unintelligible medical term) ultrasonic treatment, that we\u2013<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Do you treat everybody?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Oh yes.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0You wouldn\u2019t hold back on anybody.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>No. No membership requirement.<\/p>\n

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Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0You don\u2019t have to become members or nothing like that, to start following\u00a0some kind of a discipline that you put on their heads.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>No, no.\u00ad I don\u2019t believe in this business of having to say a prayer before they get in.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong> Jim, you do have, one thing that you are involved in, has to do with something that that you and I call a healing ministry. Both of us. And a\u00a0lot\u00a0of people talk about the healing ministry. I had a sister who had cancer 12 years ago, she was operated on, the doctors gave her up, said in\u00a0three\u00a0months she would be gone. My sister is still alive, teaching school, back to health she\u2019s cured. She has a lot of faith. She said, I will\u00a0not, I will\u00a0not\u00a0give up.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>There is a place indeed for a responsible, sane spiritual healing. It\u00a0must\u00a0be in conjunction with medical science, because we know there\u2019s no panacea. We\u2019ve had similar remissions. I was just thinking while you talked. There was a lovely Russian lady who\u2013 the metastasis of cancer was so\u00a0thorough\u00a0that\u00a0each\u00a0of her lymph glands was swollen like a\u00a0ball. And similarly, she had faith.\u00a0There is a tremendous dimension that we\u2019re unfamiliar with, and of course, if even in the Soviet\u00a0Union, a materialistic nation supposedly, is spending $12 million a year to study paranormal faculty, therapeutic healing. Many medical scientists and medical schools, nursing schools are emphasizing therapeutic\u00a0healing,\u00a0the laying on of hands in direct correlation with physical treatment. So undoubtedly there\u2019s a dimension [KPIX transcript reads: \u201cthis is a mission\u201d<\/em>] there that the\u00a0responsible\u00a0church must take over. And if\u00a0we\u00a0don\u2019t, what are we going to leave it to? The type that says, \u201cTrust God, and don\u2019t go to the doctor.\u201d So many of the people involved in healing want to\u00a0knock medical science. And\u00a0many\u00a0of them\u00a0die. I think they do far more\u00a0harm\u00a0than\u00a0good, because they will keep people from going to medical science. When\u00a0we find someone who thinks they have a healing, we say,\u00a0get\u00a0to the doctor and verify it.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Good! We have to take a break. We\u2019ll come right back with the Reverend Jim Jones.<\/p>\n

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Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Jim Jones. Jim, where do you get your\u2013\u00a0how do you maintain\u00a0all\u00a0these great programs\u00a0that you\u2019re part of, that you give leadership to? How do you maintain them?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>People give generously when they see how their money is being used. We have a community center with indoor swimming pool. I think we have a novelty in geriatrics where senior citizens themselves manage and direct. The only input is the manual labor. We don\u2019t dictate to them about their\u00a0diet, the d\u00e9cor, etc. When they see results, people give generously, and we don\u2019t have a mandate about tithing. Some do. And of course, we have a large\u00a0membership, and that explains the support, and they will put on projects of various sorts. We get no outside help from the community to speak of. Our people are very, very generous.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Jim,\u00a0where\u00a0are we going to go in terms of society, of America, of the world, where are we going to go? Can you give it to me in 30 seconds?<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>I think we have to be very careful that we\u00a0must\u00a0do something about the alienation of the ethnic groups and racism. [NAACP Executive Director] Roy Wilkins, a conservative has just retired. We\u2019ve got to overcome that, because a house divided against itself can\u2019t stand. We\u00a0must\u00a0do something about racism quickly.<\/p>\n

Williams:<\/strong>\u00a0Here\u2019s a man, I have to tell you, that being honest with you, I think he\u2019s a genius, I think he\u2019s a prophet, charismatic. He\u2019s one of our great leaders.\u00a0I\u2019m\u00a0glad to be associated with you. Brother, we gone stay together, because\u00a0I\u00a0know, if\u00a0I\u00a0stay with you, we gonna make it. We\u2019ll bring about change. Walk that walk, and talk that talk. And be that be, and love that love, and struggle that struggle. Look for us. We\u2019ll be there.<\/p>\n

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