{"id":13196,"date":"2013-02-17T21:50:08","date_gmt":"2013-02-17T21:50:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=13196"},"modified":"2026-01-08T15:24:51","modified_gmt":"2026-01-08T23:24:51","slug":"peoplesrallies10","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=13196","title":{"rendered":"Peoples Rally of August 1, 1978"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>C-11-d-2a<\/p>\n<p><u>PEOPLES RALLY NOTES, 8\/1\/78<\/u><\/p>\n<p>Dad has called a joint pavilion gathering to discuss the issue at hand. Issue: Several of our people including Dad and Joyce Touchette are sought to serve papers on by the government who seems to be participating and\/or cooperating with conspirators, Tim &amp; Grace Stoen who is part of the Interpol connection in order to stop the revolutionary movement of Jim Jones.<\/p>\n<p>At this point the discussions have been focused around the people\u2019s willingness to uphold our long-standing commitments \u2013 one for all and all for one. The custody cases are what the conspirators are using to get the cooperation of the Guyana government and what [may] be cooperating capitalist in disguise positions of the PPP and PNC.<\/p>\n<p>Jeff Carey brought out some important viewpoints \u2013 some like Pauline Groot feels some are focusing too much on historic recognitions through \u201crevolutionary suicide.\u201d Glen Moten [Moton] whose views were somewhat different last evening \u2013 now says he would be for the revolution suicide. L. V. McGinnis, Jonestown Police Captain, was very undecided about taking their children\u2019s lives if the situation arose in order to prevent our children further pain and torture. He said he would after long reasoning with him.<\/p>\n<p>Carolyn Loomas [Looman] says she is against revolution suicide. Legistic emergency was called at 7:30 having been gathered in the pavilion since 1 PM.<\/p>\n<p>Hazel [Hazle] Newell, Ruth Lowry [Lowery] and Chris Buckley didn\u2019t raise their hands when Dad asked who would be willing to help in taking the lives of our children and seniors so they wouldn\u2019t fall into the hands of the fascist.<\/p>\n<p>Dad gave a summary of what has transpired. Some that were first against \u201crevolution death\u201d are now in accord like Glen Moten and L. V. McGinnis. Dad said we may be in for a long wait \u2013 like the police back in states do. Rob Gieg, Bob Kice, Don Fitch and others are to discuss a plan to get what we need if we have to. Dad asked for pharmacist and medical report.<\/p>\n<p>Dad said we may just wait \u2013 the enemy wants to weaken our morale. Dad said we have to decide if there is a stage which we will consider revolution death. Dad said each person will be watch[ed] to see if you have bullets left. This is for everyone\u2019s safety.<\/p>\n<p><u>Question<\/u>&gt;: If they don\u2019t do anything \u2013 do we proceed to make a provocative act? The best thing is for them to make a move against us \u2013 then<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>C-11-d-2b<\/p>\n<p>the socialist thing to do would be to take hostages and negotiate freedom.<\/p>\n<p><u>&gt;If<\/u>&gt;: If they don\u2019t let our boat out and we are shut off\u2026<\/p>\n<p>If they arrest our people in Georgetown\u2026 then that does give us our right to move \u2013 expect that this would justify provocative action. We could move the battle to places we\u2019ve talked about. We need to be ready to move in the course of getting what we need.<\/p>\n<p><u>&gt;Judging what a provocative act is<\/u>&gt;:<\/p>\n<p>If they do nothing \u2013 can we live in a state of suspension every day we\u2019re here.<\/p>\n<p>What if they let things just come and go with their little papers.<\/p>\n<p>And if so, how do we know they will be coming in to serve papers or make an arrest \u2013 question about coming and going.<\/p>\n<p>How do we say we don\u2019t want any guests.<\/p>\n<p>Dad said children can fight at age 12 \u2013 will consider younger. Like Martin Amos who wants to fight \u2013 Dad said first see what their philosophy is.<\/p>\n<p>Dad said no one is to take any mail. Rhevena [Rheavianna] Beam brought in an envelope, business type envelope, to Johnny [Moss Brown] \u2013 Dad asked her why and if she\u2019d heard him say no mail was to be brought in. Rhevena said no \u2013 Patty Cartmell said she heard it.<\/p>\n<p>[Guyana Prime Minister] Burnham previously said there was to be no service on us. Dad said he was to call us at 1 or 2 o\u2019clock about perimeter of protection saying no one outside of Guyana would be able to touch us. Gene Chaikin feels the reason it is taking them so long is that they just haven\u2019t come to a conclusion and that they are just that way \u2013 slow. Says they just haven\u2019t dealt with it yet. Dad said it\u2019s a very dangerous situation.<\/p>\n<p>Dad said when Stoen came in \u2013 he can\u2019t go out.<\/p>\n<p>Discussion:<\/p>\n<p>We should prohibit them from coming in \u2013 if they send reinforcements then we know the government is enforcing it.<\/p>\n<p>Dad said it is also against the law not to let any government official in. And it still breaks the law if any of their party is refused.<\/p>\n<p>Pauline G. suggested demonstrating in Georgetown saying we want to be Guyanese \u2013 Dad said if they gave us Guyanese citizenship and guarantee us in writing then we will, but until that time we won\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>C-11-d-2c<\/p>\n<p><u>&gt;Issue<\/u>&gt;: We don\u2019t want folks coming out here and taking our people, Dad said.<\/p>\n<p><u>&gt;Katherine Dominick (senior)<\/u>&gt; says erect a double fence at gate to keep them out.<\/p>\n<p>Dad mentioned that it was risky at gate \u2013 need 2 people were talking and one stay with radio.<\/p>\n<p>Ways of blocking roads with equipment \u2013 Dad asked if a tree could be put down without tearing up planting area. This can be done.<\/p>\n<p>It was suggested to reduce all usage of light. However Al [Touchette] says still uses fuel. We still need to get 18 barrels of fuel.<\/p>\n<p>Suggested to shut off pigger [piggery] generator during the day. Jan [Wilsey] said they use to burn wicky and use reflectors to keep bats out. Al said that didn\u2019t work. Feels it (the cattle) could be watched \u2013 depending on size of herd. Wanda says they have enough chicken wire to close pens.<\/p>\n<p><u>&gt;Robert Franklin<\/u>&gt; \u2013 has a plan that could be used to eliminate Stoen. Dad told him to write it up.<\/p>\n<p>Mary Wotherspoon will finish cassava at 7 AM tomorrow. 80 bags can wait 3 days. Rob says it should be spread out in shade at the mill where it won\u2019t get rained on. Jan said tent would be okay \u2013 then it was suggested to spread it out under the dorms.<\/p>\n<p>Dad asked for those who would agree with Gene\u2019s idea to take hostages.<\/p>\n<p>Dad mentioned that PNC was unreasonable \u2013 they wouldn\u2019t take Russian aid. Russia wants them to include PPP \u2013 question about PNC refusing.<\/p>\n<p>Lee [Ingram] said make a show of arms \u2013 Steve [Stephan Jones] says they shouldn\u2019t know what we have until they get in here. We have a chance with an ambush approach, but not if they already know what we have.<\/p>\n<p>This would be an ideal time to make a stand on basis they refused to adhere to Russia\u2019s offer.<\/p>\n<p>Etta [Thompson] suggested seniors and others laying down in front of land rover. Penny [Kerns] feels Stoen will come in with more forces since they didn\u2019t come today. She says we should consider getting Dad and children they want out.<\/p>\n<p>Lew [Jones] asked if local enforcements could come in without the direct approval of Burnham. Gene said local official is authorized without going to Georgetown. Does he control Gaskin police to \u2013 no Benjamin in Port Kaituma. GDF has the big weapons.<\/p>\n<p>Lisa [Layton] said have seniors lie down the road \u2013 Dad said but we\u2019re dealing with fascists, we\u2019re not fighting socialists. PPP doesn\u2019t meet Dad\u2019s expectations.<\/p>\n<p>Tom G [Grubbs]: Would be willing to go and get Tim Stoen. Dad said should be some that are older or who has terminal illness.<\/p>\n<p>Jeff offered to be burned. Bea Orsot, Najuandienne Darns [Darnes], Magnolia Farris [Harris], Selika Bordenave, Irene Mason, Richard, Etta Thomas [Thompson], DePina, Lovie \u2013 said she\u2019s willing to fight until death. Larcy Lane, Katherine Dominick, Laura Johnson [Johnston] (she wrote what needed to be done, but Dad says she\u2019s too young. Others Jane Owens, Carri Langston, and Dad said Theo Williams struck it \u2013 what needed to be done.<\/p>\n<p>We don\u2019t shoot unless they start something. Security was set up for showering and curfews.<\/p>\n<p><u>&gt;Alfred March<\/u>&gt; &amp; <u>&gt;Jamal Baisy (Learning Crew)<\/u>&gt; fighting after meeting.<\/p>\n<p>* * * * *<\/p>\n<p>C-11-d-3a<\/p>\n<p>CAUTION \u2013 do not lay down this sheet. Classified\u2026<\/p>\n<p>[handwritten note] Carolyn L. [Layton] &amp; Dad<\/p>\n<p>1 August 78<\/p>\n<p>Rally follow-up list<\/p>\n<p>&#8212; TL [Tish Leroy]<\/p>\n<p>1) Gaston, chief officer of Matakai will be here tomorrow. Wants the list of skills of our people.<\/p>\n<p>2) Russell [Moton] to read his report over the radio at midday tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p>3) Rum bottles to be collected from Kaituma; we have a glass cutter and can cut them into usable cups and glasses.<\/p>\n<p>4) Day-off ceramics project; Tom Grubbs wants us to try making cups etc. Someone should be in charge of the volunteer project.<\/p>\n<p>5) Counseling is to be done with Teddy [McMurry] and the karate team and the jury is to set in on it and act. The team is to tell him how they do not appreciate his actions and how it is a reflection on the entire team and the family.<\/p>\n<p>Said the people on the job laugh at his jokes too much. Should not laugh at the jokes of people not working well. It is not helpful to socialism. Character should be first.<\/p>\n<p>If guilty he should go to PSU [Public Service Unit] for a time\u2026<\/p>\n<p>6) Ava [Brown Jones] is to assign someone to be in charge of doing profiles on those to be cleared to go into town. No more last-minute requests to send people in. He is asked as late as 5 AM to send someone out at 7 AM. Not to happen in the future!<\/p>\n<p>Medical and dental and any others get information to Ava immediately when you know you need to send someone into town. She is to start getting their profile collected right then and to give to Dad so he can have time to evaluate if they should be cleared to go in.<\/p>\n<p>7) When Dad is on microphone, CAO\u2019s be sure the radio does not interfere particularly when he is recording tapes. It bleeds thru [through] and it is hard enough to concentrate on so much as must be done on those. Be sure they do not interfere with his news! Tell them to be attentive when Dad is making a broadcast.<\/p>\n<p>8) On next test use talk about what we got out of Carolyn Kirkendall\u2019s letter. It is to be read again (probably after Nell leaves) across the PA system, just as she wrote it\u2026 what she wrote to Dad and about herself analysis and what it means in collective terms and in communist conscience.<\/p>\n<p>9) Observe and report on any you see who are lazy or who let others do all of the shit work.<\/p>\n<p>10) Dad wants the kitchen cleaned out. Wants tea for all, even if it means a night dishwasher and a senior to monitor so that the cups do not leave! Those typing and working late are to have tea\u2026 something is to be worked out.<\/p>\n<p>11) If asked what we believe: we are peace loving people and believe in communal living. If asked about reincarnation, etc., we don\u2019t talk<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>C-11-d-3b<\/p>\n<p>about our religious beliefs\u2026 that is a personal matter and we do not all have the same religious beliefs\u2026 but we do not talk about them.<\/p>\n<p>12) Tony Linton to be reviewed in 3 weeks relative to becoming a regular PSU worker. He is assigned to the farm work pool at this time. Dad will entertain his request if he has an excellent record. Not to be considered a precedent\u2026 must always consider this type of thing individually. Those going on or off PSU are not to dictate what they want to do or where they want to go.<\/p>\n<p>13) New Law: Anything that endangers lives will be automatic PSU\u2026 anything that can endanger her life and limb\u2026 Dad said.<\/p>\n<p>14) Jury: Dad wants a place set up in each rally where the jury has permanent down-front seating so that they do not have to stand as they deliberate.<\/p>\n<p>15) Norman [Ijames]: Letter given him by Edith Roller she wanted mailed in Caracas\u2026 ask him when he gets there.<\/p>\n<p>Set up observers to watch him and anyone with whom he talks. He formerly spent lot of time in back kitchen area and when the plane of <em>National Enquirer<\/em> flew over, it showed concentrated interest (apparently) in that area. 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