—–<\/strong><\/p>\nx-2-a-8(2)<\/p>\n
\u2013 2-<\/p>\n
true but each time Bunny has seen Wills, he has come back in good spirits and that is not a good sign.<\/p>\n
WE WERE TOLD TO TELL WILLS THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE WHICH WE DID<\/p>\n
\u2013 JJ is being isolated, shot at, people are working on it to get him<\/p>\n
\u2013 some of the government people (PNC) are working very closely with the US and we have been told by one (who is friendly to socialism and who is black and not pro-Jagan [Cheddi Jagan, Guyana opposition leader]) that they are destined to replace the old staff. We look at such reports with a jaundiced eye but thought we should pass it on to you<\/p>\n
\u2013 this person said that others in government will be removed to make the staff more cohesive<\/p>\n
(WHEN WE TOLD HIM THE ABOVE MESSAGE, WILLS DIDN’T TAKE IT TOO SERIOUSLY, HE SAID HE’S HEARD SUCH THINGS, BUT HE’S ALSO HEARD THE OPPOSITE; HE JUST KEEPS ON WORKING) \u2013 I think he didn’t take it seriously as he had just met with Burnham and was told that Burnham would chew out Bunny because Bunny was “fornicating” when he should be working for the government.)<\/p>\n
WILLS CONVERSATION 8\/2\/78 Re Bunny Mann<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said that he was very concerned that Bunny would talk where Paula would hear his conversations\/ he said that facts Paula related were true so the info must be true<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said he thought he had Bunny “covered”<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said the Key positions of power were in our camp (PT), all governments are oligarchic and the oligarchic power (Wills, Burnham, Reid) are pro-PT<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said Bunny was trying to get his job\/ later he said that he wasn’t so but Bunny was just trying to shake up Wills job<\/p>\n
\u2013 he referred to Paula’s work as “your people’s intelligence service”<\/p>\n
\u2013 [Registrar K.W.] Barnwell he said is the Registrar of the Supreme Ct and he controls all orders (CODE NAME IS RODNEY FOR HIM)<\/p>\n
\u2013 makes him feel “blue murder” that Paula has to endure Bunny’s use of her body<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills knows that Bunny is the source of the rumors that say Wills is sleeping around<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills said “The PM must fire him.” Wills said, “Reid has a campaign against Bunny”<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills said, “The child must stay.<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said that Burnham told Bishop thru Mingo that Bishop should back PT (Wills talked to Mingo while we were in the office or pretended to, some of his calls are real because he did call the GAC [Guyana Airways Corporation] on our behalf as they told us he did, he did call [Justice Cecil] Kennard about the swimming pools, he did call Davis head of Guysuko [Guysuco, or Guyana Sugar Company] and he once did call Mingo because Mingo told us he did, but some may be phony.)<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills said there is no way John [Victor Stoen] will leave this country<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills refuses to be left alone to fight for socialism in So. America (this is grandiose but if Wills feels a little insecure about his job with Burnham listening to Bunny, he may feel it is in his interest to have us giving him info about Bunny and other info that could help in his job)<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills said he knows where he can retire to (Jonestown)<\/p>\n
\u2013 If in any case, as we askedwhat would happen during an appeal, Wills said the situation would be stayed pending an appeal (he didnt bring this up, we did as we said we wouldn’t allow the child to be taken)<\/p>\n
\u2013 if nothing is ever served there will be no problem (we mentioned the people that sell out their grandmothers), he said they could serve papers but they’d have to go thru a proceedure all over again of getting the judge to sign and the registrar has to stamp it. Wills said he will not allow that to happen tho.<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said Burnham wants Bunny to be brought back home to Guyana (if reposted)<\/p>\n
\u2013 Bunny’s only friend is McCabe [Rex McKay, Guyanese lawyer]<\/p>\n
\u2013 Bishop (Judge) is a Rotarian as are Blacken [John Blacken, US Embassy Official] and [Tim] Stoen<\/p>\n
—–<\/strong><\/p>\nx-2-a-8(3)<\/p>\n
Meeting with Vibert Mingo, February 6, 1978<\/strong><\/p>\nMINGO 6\/2\/78<\/p>\n
\u2013 he can’t come with [California Lieutenant Governor Mervyn] Dymally to Jonestown, he has Parliament on Weds<\/p>\n
\u2013 he has received a complaint about our people going door to door collecting donations at Linden and Georgetown, they need legal permission from the police to do so (I spoke to Attorney Clarke about this and he had told me this law about this was rarely implemented)<\/p>\n
\u2013 Mingo made a call to Cde. Roberts at GAC [Guyana Airways Corp.] to seek if he could help us with Dymally’s flight\/Cde Roberts wouldn’t do it but said he would personally fly Dymally into the interior and out but wouldn’t do the rest of the trip\/ he said he didn’t know much about us and were we religious (we said we’d bring in some material on us, and we were humanitarian)<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said he goes to church but isn’t religious<\/p>\n
CRATES<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said he couldn’t help us as Hope [Frank Hope, Minister of Finance] is locked up in a room and no-one can get to him. he said Wills will have to speak to him\/Mingo doesn’t want to interfere with this tho he called White for us about the swimming pools and told White that Dr. Reid has an arrangement with PT to come to Mingo<\/p>\n
\u2013 he stressed to White that swimming pools were needed for agriculture for water storage as the No. WEst has dry periods<\/p>\n
\u2013 White was not particularly nice to him and asked why Mingo was interferring<\/p>\n
\u2013 Re; John’s [John Victor Stoen] custody case, he said “justice must not only be done but appear to be done” \/we’d just have to wait for a decision on this<\/p>\n
GOVT WITHIN A GOVT<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said that regarding our school it must be registered, the fact that we have written out our program and submitted it or have gotten assurances that aren’t in writing don’t mean we have done the procedure officially and it must be in writing<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said some have accused us of being a govt within a govt. (said when we asked who had said that, “I’m not supposed to tell you that”)<\/p>\n
—–<\/strong><\/p>\nx-2-a-8(4)<\/p>\n
[Handwritten heading: “around 6\/2\/78?”]<\/p>\n
WILLS, WHEN HE MENTIONED THAT THE MOTHER HAD THE PRESUMPTION OF THE RIGHT OF THE CHILD\/ AFTER HE TALKED TO TUMMINIA<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said it bastardizes the child when you consider the case of the “real” unmarried father over the “legal” father<\/p>\n
\u2013 however, our rebuttal would be by showing all the interests of the child are not properly cared for by the mother<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said that he gave Tumminia [Frank Tumminia, US State Department’s Guyana Desk Officer] a good word about us but didn’t oversell us, Wills said “acted like he didn’t give a damn” but that was Wills’ way of showing Tuminia he really did like us but didn’t want to oversell (This is typical William double talk)<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills told Tumminia about the [SF District Attorney Joseph] Freitas letter, said Freitas must be a Nixon (Wills said that), We told Wills that we heard from Tumminia that Wills wasn’t partisan on our side. Wilss countered by saying that if he Wills commmnicated to Tumminia that he was partisan, he’d be throwing out just what Freitas would want and that wouldn’t help our case.<\/p>\n
\u2013 regarding the Stoen case, he knows (after we mentioned that it is non-negotiable) that it is not.<\/p>\n
\u2013 we mentioned that it would involve 1000 deaths\/that’s when he changed the subject and talked about giving up smoking. I later confronted him about doing so and he said he did so to avoid crying. Said that when a subject gets emotional he will change to a lighter subject as a “defense mechanism”<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said he had received 50 Guyanese letters in support of PT (he knows they aren’t phony. They were overwhelmingly positive. All saw it as a case of US vs Guyanese sovereignty<\/p>\n
\u2013 said that Minister [Hubert] Jack had given everyone in the Cabinet a copy of the letter of Tim signing that he had asked JJ to “sire” a child\/also he had copied the letter about Tim’s transvestitizm and given that out. A joke was make, “You have to conceed this man is a Christian gentleman as there is no greater gift than to give your wife to your friend” (this joke was made to Reid)<\/p>\n
\u2013 regarding [Minister Fitz] Carmichael, Wills felt that Min. [Vincent] Teekah (of Education) and McCoy had set up a visit of Carmichael to upset the visit of Tumminia and [US Charge d’Affaires John] Blacken. But Wills called Teekah and he didn’t know anything about the visit so Wills guesses Carmichael did it on his own.<\/p>\n
SIR LIONEL [LUCKHOO]\/VISIT AFTER THE INCIDENT REGARDING BLACKEN AND TUMMINIA<\/p>\n
\u2013 he feels that if Blacken said anything about no paper being served, it is because Wills talked to him (that was just his opinion)<\/p>\n
\u2013 but in regard to the case, he thinks everything is favorable, I needn’t worry my head about it. They can do nothing, can do nothing unless they serve papers. There are no orders seeking to do so<\/p>\n
WILLS RE BURNHAM:<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said that “if Burnham was CIA that would be a great disappointment” but Tumminia you could expect to be CIA as he is working for the US govt.\/it struck us funny that he would even mention Burnham being CIA even if it was hypothetical<\/p>\n
—–<\/strong><\/p>\nx-2-a-8(5)<\/p>\n
WILLS 30\/1\/78<\/p>\n
(answers were given to the weaknesses he felt PT had and he talked about Tumonia [Frank Tumminia, US State Department’s Guyana Desk Officer] Caribbean affairs officer from us and other matters)<\/p>\n
FREITAS LETTER<\/p>\n
\u2013 we told him that we didn’t believe Freitas wrote the letter, as Tim could have taken Freitas’ stationary and written it himself\/ people from US don’t believe Freitas wrote it<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills said that he is a lawyer and Freitas is a lawyer\/the countries US and Guyana have the same basis of law, British, and Freitas should know better than that to ask Wills to use his political influence, it’s an impertinance and he’s writing Freitas a letter to that effect. He’s telling Freitas “you should know that it’s against the constitution” (he said he showed the letter to Tumonia and Blacken and told Tumonia it is unfair interference and Tumonia agreed<\/p>\n
TUMONIA AND BLACKEN<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills talked to them and the discussion was about PT<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills told Tuminia that PT is important to Guyana for two reasons, migration and agricultural production, and the psychological reason that Guyana has a psychological sympathy for people who can’t tolerate the system. Blacken and Tuminia understand this (Wills is sure of this), Blacken understands that Guyanese came as indentured laborers and thus they are more internationalists than nationalists<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said Tumonia is Italian or Green<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills said to Tumonia that there is a problem with the US State Dept, Guyana and PT and prevention of aid, Tumonia denied this (but Wills said that Tumonia’s denial is “political posturing”<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said that the Freitas letter switched the heat to him on this case (To Wills)<\/p>\n
\u2013 he claimed that Tuminnia brought up the question of human rights in regard to the Stoen case (tho Tim Carter thought Wills brought up the question of human rights) We’ll have to check this out<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills did say to Tumminia “you’re using the human rights issue in the Stoen case as a deterrent<\/p>\n
ISSUE OF STOEN CASE<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said (Wills did) that the issue of John is not settled by a claim that JJ is the father but whether Grace Stoen is a fit and proper mother\/ the presumption is in favor of the mother. Wills says he himself doesn’t think she is a fit mother.<\/p>\n
FOREIGN AID<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said the US stopped aid to Uganda because Uganda let the Palistaneans land a plane\/said that at first both US and China and USSR pumping aid into Uganda but they stopped when the Palistinians landed the plane (don’t know about USSR but China and US stopped\/he said the Jewish lobby in the US stopped it)<\/p>\n
\u2013 We<\/span> stated that it didn’t seem like they would stop aid over this one small thing and that they’d have to have other reasons to do so and he agreed that it would be a flimsy excuse and they’d have to have other reasons\/also he said that US has already signed for aid, it’s an official agreement Loan at 8 1\/2% that Ambassador [John] Burke, one is for 2.5 million and one for 10 million, it’s thru the Commodity Credit Cooperation<\/p>\n\u2013 he says that Tuminia looks at one issue at a time in regard to PT, like the Stoen case, and the Oliver case. Wills said he told Tuminia you can’t divide up the issues or you defeat them in detail and erode them slowly\/ he says you must look at each problem in the total context<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills showed Tuminia Freitas’ letter\/ Tuminia agreed that the letter was wrong for Freitas to ask political influence in the case<\/p>\n
\u2013 Tuninia he said is a faceless person (a bureaucrat)<\/p>\n
BLAKEN<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills says that Blaken got the Ripkin award for standing up on several things\/he said that Brazil was torturing people\/he’s tried to get changes in policy\/ did work<\/p>\n
—–<\/strong><\/p>\nx-2-a-8(6)<\/p>\n
in Africa and promoted a treaty with Panama\/he wanted to build bridges in Guyana when [Henry] Kissinger said hands off<\/p>\n
BURKE (Ambassador)<\/p>\n
\u2013 he was in Tiland (spelling??) when there was fascist coup\/he was the #2 man there and Wills said that man is usually CIA<\/p>\n
\u2013 he’s an Isolationist and thought Nixon was a great guy\/Burke said nothing about us when Wills saw him [American Consul Richard A.] (McCoy) today<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills says he has to live with the fact we exist<\/p>\n
(Tim Carter told Wills that McCoy was a blabber mouth which I didn’t think was too cool to do as I worried it would get back to McCoy)<\/p>\n
\u2013 Will s accused the US embassy of being unconcerned with American Citizens in their midst (he said he talked to them about this), Tim Stoen Wills says is a waste of his time<\/p>\n
Norman [Ijames] (becoming a pilot)<\/p>\n
\u2013 he told the man that interviewed Norman and said “we don’t need pilots right now” don’t say that<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills will forward Norman’s resume to Hamilton Green who handles jobs (Dept of Labour)<\/p>\n
\u2013 pilots are striking (they get free air travel on holidays, other employees get $1000 for holidays but no free air travel\/ the pilots want free air travel and the whole $1000 also (which Wills said was rediculous)<\/p>\n
CUBA AND RUSSIA<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills said he knew of their trip to seeus and he cleared it<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said that he could u-derstand for our security why we would want them to come<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said the Soviets are positive to us in their speech 98% positive but 2% they look at us like the US Solzinetzins [Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Russian writer and dissident], dissidents\/ I asked how they could do that because of our leaving a capitalist country\/ he said well it is in their self-interest which was slightly different but in other words in their self-interest to see that people would be leaving the American system, to see socialists “escaping” from the US<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said that the Ambassadors from cuba and Russia are personal friends of his<\/p>\n
\u2013 SOAP<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said we should perfect our soap and show it to ministers and others<\/p>\n
ANSWERS TO HIS ALLEGATIONS OF OUR WEAKNESSES<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said one of our weaknesses is that we expect total assurances, he understands we want assurances in the area of John, our doctor, our school and customs tho-some people are only prepared to give a qualified committment and instead of asking for total assurance we should say, “How far are you prepared to go?” otherwise some would say nothing at all rather than give a qualified answer<\/p>\n
CUSTOMS:<\/p>\n
\u2013 he can assist in a qualified way, it’s not his jurisdiction and you have to put the issue to the Finance Minister, [Frank] Hope now is into finance raising because of the budget being now and he has to show increase in production<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said it was rediculous we were being penalized for being communal and packing that way\/ when we said we were quoted an old English law, he said, “The law is not as important as the application of law”<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said it’s unproductive to argue with a man like White, don’t buck him, he’s a system’s man, he said he will bring up the issue of customs tomorrow in Cabinet with Burnham and later there should be a meeting with Wills, Burnham and Hope over it<\/p>\n
\u2013 Hope and Wills are both senior ministers so it’s a problem telling Hope anything, Wills, Hope, King, Hoyt [Guyana Minister of Development Desmond Hoyte], Jack, Reid, Green, Marxian, and Canard are all Senior Ministers<\/p>\n
\u2013 Mingo, Teeka [Vincent Teekah], Nacimento [Kit Nascimento] are jr. Ministers<\/p>\n
\u2013 you can’t give a senior minister an order, they are supposed to cooperate so can make suggestions<\/p>\n
—–<\/strong><\/p>\nx-2-a-8(7)<\/p>\n
OUR WILLINGESS TO TAKE A STAND WITH WILLS IF HE EVER IS THREATENED<\/p>\n
\u2013 he seemed moved by this<\/p>\n
SAID WE DON’T SIFT THRU INFO (REACT TO EVERYTHING)<\/p>\n
\u2013 we over-react for instance when Hass [Jeff Haas, Stoens\u2019 attorney] came to town<\/p>\n
\u2013 we assume the worst and then dissapate our resources (like the threat of a hunger strike and yet nothing happened to us at that time)<\/p>\n
\u2013 we react to the arrest of JJ and yet nothing can happen to JJ because of the papers not being served<\/p>\n
WILLS:<\/p>\n
\u2013 he is upset that we ever question his motives (if you question him too much)<\/p>\n
UPSET THAT WE ASKED FOR OUR WEAK POINTS AND THEN WOULD COME BACK WITH REPORTS<\/p>\n
\u2013 said if I had not had a dialogue with you in the first place, I wouldn’t have had to go thru all this<\/p>\n
\u2013 don’t give me your California Hard Sell, I am already committed to you<\/p>\n
WE ARE VULNERABLE<\/p>\n
\u2013 said we could be infiltrated\/we said it would be too hard work at the farm and a lot of structure<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said “Balderdash”, men have infiltrated prisons and have lived prison life in order to do CIA work, they have worked in hard labour in Siberia to get credibility<\/p>\n
\u2013 it’s important enough (our cause) in terms of the destruction of the big image of the US\/ for us to leave the US is bad for PR for the US<\/p>\n
\u2013 we are the first clear example of a socialist group in US history, we not only say it but live it\/ this is bad for the US<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said a woman could come in with a drug problem and appeal to our humanity\/she would be sent to Jonestown, later she might have to go to Georgetown and would have drugs on her and get herself arrested and it would look bad for Jonestown<\/p>\n
\u2013 however he has checked it out (His intelligence) and as far as he knows we are OK, but we are too wide open. Everyone has their weaknesses and he says ours is that we are humanitarian and thus vulnerable tho he said JJ has the capacity to evaluate people<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said a technique to get us would be a sham attack to divert our energies and weaken us<\/p>\n
\u2013 use of diversion, it might not be in the main attack<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said all the above is hypothetical, he doesn’t think it will actually happen<\/p>\n
\u2013 like an old person, a cripple\/we are overtrusting and could fall for something like that, CIA studies you and looks at your weakpoints<\/p>\n
\u2013 he did say what would be hard for an agent is to live under such solidarity and under that “moral force”<\/p>\n
\u2013 another factor that might mean the CIA couldn’t do too much with us is that they are dispersed all over\/their ability to concentrate on PT is limited because of their work in Angola, Ethiopia, Europe, Turkey etc.<\/p>\n
\u2013 we said that we would go with Wills and if he were replaced we’d say “the hell with whoever replaced him”\/he said -“see that’s what I mean you don’t sift thru things, first we should see if the person replaced him because Wills was tired or sick or if the person was a good person\/he said we are oversuspicious of things. We said that unless Wills told us that he was tired or sick, we would wonder why they replaced such a good socialist<\/p>\n
\u2013 he said our methods are good for California but not good automatically in Guyana<\/p>\n
QSL’s<\/p>\n
\u2013 he did ask why we were telling him all this (what did we want), we explained about good will for Guyana etc. He said that JJ did make a virtue out of necessity (JJ used his time well and tho he was limited in moving around, JJ was making good use of the situation)<\/p>\n
—–<\/strong><\/p>\nx-2-a-8(8)<\/p>\n
\u2013 we said that JJ talked to a man who was a racist and when JJ finished the man admitted yo have to learn to live with all races<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills first jumped on this and was hyper-critical. He said that it is still a racist statement to just say you have to live with all races, racists say that. We said that this statement was a long way from how the man started in talking and Wills finally admitted that if you can move a man somewhat from his initial position it helps<\/p>\n
WILLS SAID HE WAS TOTALLY COMMITTED TO US<\/p>\n
\u2013 we don’t have to tell him about how we share oil with the community, we don’t have to reinforce with illustrations that we are socialistic, he knows that<\/p>\n
\u2013 we oversell, others would have terminated the interview with us; others that might not be as committed as he<\/p>\n
\u2013 seeing PT didn’t reinforce or increase his feelings for or against us as he already had a strong feeling for us, it was an emotional reinforcement to see it tho<\/p>\n
\u2013 asked if JJ sent us to tell him all this (about our weaknesses and the rationalizations etc.) or not (I said it was my decision as he was kind of negative about it)<\/p>\n
Specific examples of our overreactions<\/p>\n
\u2013 our actions “We shall not be moved” type actions<\/p>\n
\u2013 we should have 98% trust of him, he knows he’s too proud and his vanity gets hurt, he knows he’s touchy, he will work on it<\/p>\n
\u2013 we have few weaknesses anyway<\/p>\n
\u2013 Tim Stoen<\/p>\n
\u2013 Wills said he’s a sexual pervert, he lives for passion<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
x-2-a-8(1) Meeting with Fred Wills, Minister of Foreign Affairs, February 10, 1978 [Editor’s note: The following pages also appear here at at D-1-I-11(1) \u2013 (2). [Minor spelling errors have been retained.] [Handwritten notation: \u201c10\/2\/78\u201d] MINISTER WILLS 2\/78 (after we revealed to him what Paula [Adams] overheard between Perm. Sect. Collins and Bunny Mann [Laurence Mann, […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":87901,"menu_order":6,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-132915","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/132915","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=132915"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/132915\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":135489,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/132915\/revisions\/135489"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/87901"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=132915"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}