Meeting with J.T. Clarke, March 17, 1978<\/strong><\/p>\n[Handwritten date at bottom of page: \u201cMarch 17, 78 Deborah Touchette\u201d]<\/p>\n
2.) J.T. CLARKE\/CLARKE & MARTIN SOLICITORS: visited by Sharon Amos, Tim Carter, & Deb T…. John Stoen; He said this is not a matter that should remain dormant. He has taken it upon himself to do some private investigations for us on Tuesday next week. In some cases we let sleeping dogs lie… but this should not be hanging over a man’s head, he should be able to move about freely. There is nothing to prevent Stoen from comming down to start\u2028proceedings although Stoen has no right of proceedings because he has no jurisdiction in the court \u2013 he is not a citizen. Sharon asked if there was some way we could get absolute assurance? He said no, you can’t prevent people\u2028from making himself a persistant nusance. Said if he had taken the case, he would have brought that matter to a finality, he would have gotton a victory of which he was entitled. Mentioned he was familar with our connection with Dr. Martin Luther King, said he was moved by what we were doing<\/p>\n
He called to make an appt. with Dr. Reid in our presence, set for Tuesday of next week, he said he would have dinner with us Tue night and fill us in on the details. He said he wanted to set up appts, between Bishop Jones & Dr. Reid and Bishop Jones and the Prime Minister.<\/p>\n
He now feels the judge should know that Jim is the proper father of the child,<\/p>\n
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at first he did not think so. Dr. Reid\u2019s Secretary returned the call and set appt definately for Tue. J.T. Clarke said his firm contacted Burnham & Reid for consolutation when the arrest order went out for Jim, he said Burnham\u2019s response was “Why the hell are they bothering this man?\u201d Reid said \u2018’No warrent will be served to Jim in Guyana.” He didn\u2019t know what Dr. Reid had done on the issue, he said he wasn\u2019t there. Judge Bishop approched J.T. Clarke in the initial stages about Jim and asked what the position was with Bishop Jones, he said some type of racket was going on in the North West. J.T. told Judge Bishop he had no right to issue an arrest order. He explained the order would have had to be given to Jim in person, served a second time, refused a second time, and if Jim had a ginuine excuse they still could not serve the arrest order. Bishop said he didn\u2019t know. The Register General, Cde. Barnwell, said these people are protected (said to Judge Bishop) stop trying to lock up any people in connection with the Peoples Temple, he said that was an order from the Prime Minister. The Chief Marshall Mr. Rudder has resigned now, he told Clarke, “Man this thing has trouble in it and I\u2019m not going to worry my head about it. ref to Jim.<\/p>\n
Clarke said all relevant persons have been told Stoen has no jurisdiction in the country. He is not a prohibited immigrant. Immigration people know that the child is not to be taken out of the country.<\/p>\n
J.T. Clarke said that Judge Bishop was a personal friend of Sir Lionel\u2019s in fact he is the Godfather of Luckhoo\u2019s child. Later Clarke said he too was a friend of Judge Bishop, said Bishop listens to the govt., he\u2019s quite straight forward, he made a ginuine mistake, didn\u2019t have the full facts before him. Sharon asked if he was humble? Would he recall the order? Clarke said “yes, should be”. He said if Bishop decides not to recall the order, we must give them the authority to act on behalf of Jim Jones and they will sign a summons to alter and cancell the mistake he made on the grounds the he errored in law although he didn\u2019t think it would come to that.<\/p>\n
Clarke said he knew that Reid and the P.M. had nothing enemical [inimical] against us. J.T. Clarke is a practicing Christian, a strong member of the Anglican church mentiond that they collected 500.00 in his office alone to give to the new Bishop for a robe…) member of St. Georges Anglican Church<\/p>\n
J.T. called Mrs. Burnham\u2019s office, she said she would be available in five munites and returned his call. He told her we were inviting twelve or so wemon to our project from the WRSM [Women\u2019s Revolutionary Socialist Movement] with all expenses paid. He told us if we got Mrs. Burnham and a few wemon from the WRSM on our side, our troubles would be over. He asked for a copy of the article from Tim Stoen saying Dr. Reid would not see him, that the Peoples Temple had bought off all the officials in Guyana.<\/p>\n
Also placed a call to Mrs. Margaret Ackman, she was in parlimant, received his call anyway. (He mentioned his firm has done free legal service, sometimes for people Ackman has tried to help) He told her they could spend a week of a few days and teach the wemon what they wanted us to know, she said she we understood we had a wonderful institute up there. She is the second Vice President of the WRSM) She would come to visit us as soon as possible. J.T. said she was the Prime Ministers right hand whip, if she tells the P.M. to go drown himself, he will.. He explained how she blackmailed people in bussiness and rich east Indians who came to Guyana Illegally and would make then pay in the thousands of dollars to the PRC or she would turn then in to be shipped back to their country. This is when the PNC was struggling to get on it\u2019s feet.<\/p>\n
Sharon asked about [Desmond] Hoyte and his unfriendlyness to us. J.T. Clarke said he was a personal friend of Hoyte. Hoyte had grown up under him, he said he had not herd of Min. Hoyte saying anything about us. The govt is very sensitive to any acuation [accusation] of neglect of the amerlndians, he thought that<\/p>\n
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H Hoyte had written the article as a generl statement, then stated if Hoyte has anything against you, its his personal feelings, not the Govt. He said Catholics have been prohibited of having anything to do w\/Amerindians, They were seating then to vote for the United Front and caused a violent upriseing somewhere in the Rupinuni. Sharon asked him to arrange Hoyte to speak to us. He said he would speak to Hoyte.<\/p>\n
Mrs. Burnham; J. T. said he was proud of her (phone call) He was authorized to extend an invitation to her and twelve members of the WRSM all expenses paid so perhaps they would learn from us as well as we could learn from them. She said she will come as early as possible. She said she saw our exhibition at the WRXM conference. She has a very high standard of appreciation in that she had heard nothing but good things about us. She expressed her desire to come and look around and fror a greater appreciation of the work that we are doing. She has some things to straighten out first and will come as soon as possible.<\/p>\n
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Meeting with J.T. Clarke, March 22, 1978<\/strong><\/p>\n[Handwritten notation at bottom of page: \u201cMarch 22, Deborah Touchette\u201d]<\/p>\n
4) J.T. Clarke: Visited by Sharon Amos, Deb. T., & Tim Carter (ref. as to weather J.T. had talked to the P.M. [Prime Minister Forbes Burnham] as he had told us he would) J.T. said the P.M. waved at him, but he could never had forgiven him, had he interrupted in that he was passing his house heading home to read the state papers after parliament, so he didn\u2019t distrub him. He said there is nothing to prevent Jim from comming down. He said he had all the papers, the Habes Corpus [Habeas Corpus], and a summons by McDoom, He said the Habes Cronus was granted against Jim Jones and was summonsed by McDoom. They will ask that the Habes Corpus be declared null-and-void. On the 14, Sept. 1977 and affidavit by Jeff Hass [Haas] ordered a bench warrent arrest for John Victor Stoen, and that the child be made a ward of the court. Leave was granted since Sept 1977 to serve proceeding of contempt on Jim Jones. Three different copies made to be posted on a gate or other buildings constuting [constituting] the Peoples Temple or persons holding themselves out as a servent of Jim Jones. Jim Jones has to tell the world that this is my agent and servent,. (ref. to the representative of Jim). J.T. claims he had the original from Judge Bishop when we first asked him. He said the original order was made to Joyce Touchette, to bring Joyce for contempt of court December 1977 & the third of January 1978. Sharon asked if J.T. had spoken to either [Ptolemy] Reid or the P.M. J.T. said, “I didn\u2019t trouble the, today is cabnet day. He doesn\u2019t like bringing up the P.M. on the telephone. He didn\u2019t want to make an appointment for Jim to see the P.M. right now. He said it would be an embarrassment with the case still pending. I wouldn\u2019t embarrass the P.M. by asking to see Jim Jones now while the case is going on. The P.M. would not appreciate it. He would call the P.M. tomorrow and ask him to see Jim whenever possible. I intended to have the court to set aside and remove the order, but the court is doing it themselves. J.T. is waiting to see what will happen. Sharon asked him again if he had the actual papers of the arrest order on Jim? “I haven\u2019t got the actual papers, I have copies of the arrest order”. He said, “an order has been made, the judge is correcting that order. He had not made the decission yet, but he will. Nobody can give you a date of decission. You cannot force the hand of the judge. Sharon asked what other way to force the hand the judge? Because J.T. had implied that there was another way… J.T. said, “I can\u2019t tell you that. He read a short story about waiting \u2026 and said, “if you don\u2019t mind my telling you, patience you haven\u2019t got. It is in our favor to wait, he said. In<\/p>\n
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two or three weeks the decission should be made. J.T. said he [three illegible words]. He said he will be getting someone to address the church on Faster Sunday, He said this was a privilege\u2026 [illegible initial] said both the P.M. and Dr. Reid and other members of the government are on our side. They are in close and direct in the back ground. Suppose the other side gets hold of the fact the P.M. met Jim: If he comes into town, nothing will happen to happen. [Illegible word] will, in spite of all he has told us hint to the P.M. or Dr. Reid, would it be possible to see him around the 30th or the 31st or the 1st, to see Jim without being embarrassed. J.T. agreed with our concern, said the file is large on Jim. Proceedings have been taken against Jim in the U.S. and sent to Guyana, there have been Govt, communications on this issue, Stoen has been writting to Senators, in turn Senators have written to the Foreign office in Washington, and the Foreign office has been writting the Govt. here. Collens from Foreign affairs has written back saying It is the view of the Govt, that there is nothing to worry about, we have the situation under control.<\/p>\n
J.T. Clarke cont., another appt, visited by Sharon, Deb\u2026<\/p>\n
He said, “The Prime minister has a broad spectrum of your organization. He’s not concerned with all the little details. He mentioned that Mr. [Mohammed] Shahabuddeen had shown him letters from the Foreign Affairs files. (This was in confidence, he said) There letters from writing Congressmen to the Secretary of State, they in turn give to Guy. Govt. sent to the Prime Minister. The Marshall of the Supreme Court said the People’s Temple as a secret service that knows when the plane landed at the Port and hide themselves away. You can’t find them. The people who matter like you, respect you, know what you’re doing in Guyana, J. T. said. Sharon asked if there were any positive letters in the files on us. J. T. Said “no.\u201d We didn’t feel it was necessary to give copies of the letters to the Prime Minister, (ref. to positive letters we offered of non-interference by the US Govt) but he has the letters to his secretary to send to Dr. Reid as we get there. He said he had talked to Bishop today in court. J. T. said he would talk to Dr. Reid and the P. M. On meeting with Jim on the date of his arrival. J. T. told Bishop that he wouldn’t be bothering him on this issue, but the damn people are worrying him too much (ref. to P.M.). J.T. placed a call to Shirley Field-Ridley while we were in his office. He said, “If you don’t know about them, you should, they’re doing a terrific work. He told her he invited [illegible name] was getting involved because we asked him to let them [balance of page virtually illegible]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
D-3-J-1a Meeting with J.T. Clarke, March 21, 1978 [Editor\u2019s note: This memo also appears as D-2-P-14A \u2013 14B on page https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=133464.] Sharon Amos John Clarke (old 21\/3\/78) \u2013 his calling PM and Reid about meeting with JJ \u2013 he said he\u2019d call the PM late tonight or tomorrow\/ he said however he doesn\u2019t want to […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":133543,"menu_order":4,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-133577","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/133577","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=133577"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/133577\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":133578,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/133577\/revisions\/133578"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/133543"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=133577"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}