{"id":27305,"date":"2013-06-16T00:19:05","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:19:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27305"},"modified":"2023-06-17T17:23:06","modified_gmt":"2023-06-18T00:23:06","slug":"q1019","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27305","title":{"rendered":"Q1019 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.\u00a0Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>.\u00a0To read the Annotated Transcript,\u00a0click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

(Note: <\/strong>This tape was transcribed by Nicole Bissett. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/i><\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Tape starts in middle of sentence) \u2013You sit back there and you say (exhalation) show me another miracle. (exhalation) Show me another healing. (exhalation) But you never get the teachings. You\u2019re just like a little bird in a nest. You got your mouth open, you want a fish worm all<\/em> the time, but you never want to get your own<\/em> wings out and help me get some of the fish worms.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You want to sit<\/em> in the nest from now on. You want to sit<\/em> there and open your beak for me to put a fish worm in, and some of you\u2019ll be sitting here for 50<\/em> years if I\u2019d let you, and you\u2019d never use your wings. You\u2019d let me work my wings and my tail and my head off. I coulda said worse, but I didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You\u2019ll let me work myself to death, tryin\u2019 to get the worms and you\u2019ll sit<\/em> here, doing nothing. Run<\/em> out of this place\u2013 Every night I want to take care\u2013 I see that every one of our people at the close of a meeting has a ride home. And I know some of those people are selfish, perhaps, but some of the people that\u2019s got cars<\/em> are selfish too. And I\u2019d think you that have a\u2013 a little money oughta offer<\/em> some money, but I think it\u2019s also a crime<\/em> that\u2013 when somebody asks five dollars to take somebody home. (Pause) Did ya hear what I said?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I think it\u2019s a first-class crime when you can\u2019t give any more than you do, when\u2013 then\u2013 then\u2013 when I\u2019m giving my all\u2013 you could surely take a little space. And I think it\u2019s also a crime when someone asks someone to go out of their way \u2013 unless you\u2019re on pension and poor, and then you have to promise to help later \u2013 I think it\u2019s a crime when you can ride in a person\u2019s car and get out of that car, and never say, \u201cIs there anything I can do to help with the gasoline?\u201d<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You understand what I\u2019m saying. But I know some of the people that get in this line, they\u2019re on miserable<\/em> pensions. They\u2019ve been cut back till they can hardly make ends meet. So please<\/em>, please, show a little mercy. But there are those that would set here forever<\/em>, and let me do the fishing, and let me do going\u2013 let me get the worms, let me to grub for the feed, and they\u2019ll just sit there, with their mouth open. How much<\/em> more I could make this a beautiful place, if I\u2019d get some more to help me. But when I have a business meeting, there\u2019ll be 65, a hundred people., when I get a uh, organizational meeting, people don\u2019t want to stay, they don\u2019t even want to stay all night with me. (Pause) No, they like God only<\/em> when he\u2019s here\u2013 not too much. They don\u2019t want God to be here too<\/em> much, they don\u2019t want him to bother them too<\/em> much, they don\u2019t want him to interfere with their affairs (slows for emphasis) too much.<\/p>\n

(Calls out) But what I cannot understand, my friends, is, how you can look at this universe. It\u2013 (claps hands once) I know how you do it. You look without feeling. You look like a dummy<\/em>, that\u2019s how you look. You look out on this universe as a dummy<\/em>. This world is filled<\/em> with misery. (Tone moderates) People up\u2013 come up and down the street, some dear woman on the street today, when I was taking a walk, somebody\u2019d robbed her of her money. Not one of our people, but somebody robbed her of her money. Took everything she had. Well, we didn\u2019t leave her without comfort. We gave her some help. (Voice climbs throughout) But, my God, the\u2013 up and down the streets, people stabbed and knifed, little children, the funeral before ours, the one we helped with the sister yesterday, a funeral, a youngster killed, gang warfare so bad that the funeral parlors have to arm their funeral parlors, they have to secure them, because they come in and dump the people right out of the casket, they\u2019ll rob them and take the body out and cut the body up even after they\u2019re dead, there\u2019s gang land all over<\/em> this country!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It\u2019s not safe to walk in the streets. And the law, the law will turn its head the other way, as long as one black is killing another black, they\u2019ll not say a damn thing.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Calms, then rises throughout) They\u2019ll not say one thing. But you let me tell you, if you go up\u2013 if a black man were seen in Beverly Hills that even patted a little white girl on the shoulder, they\u2019d put him away for the rest of his life.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>One of our black women was traveling in a suburb because we have good association with the police here locally, that\u2019s why we worked every fourth uh, Thursday to try to build<\/em> good relations, to show that we\u2019re human so that we can humanize<\/em> police and they can see that we\u2019re<\/em> humanized. And I tell you, one of our sisters was driving around in a section that was all black, and two white policemen came up to her and stopped<\/em> her, just because she was black<\/em>. Just because she had some things in her car. Sister Bell, well<\/em>-dressed woman. Well<\/em>-dressed, one of our ushers, well<\/em>-dressed, comfortable, kindly<\/em> woman, but just because she\u2019s black\u2013 They wouldna stopped a middle class white woman, and asked her what was in her car. They\u2019da never bothered her! They\u2019da let her go on her way! She\u2019da never been bothered!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Quiet, then climbs) What I wonder is, why you haven\u2019t asked some questions. You say the devil caused all this mess. The devil creates all these problems. The devil causes sickness, the devil causes disease, the devil causes race problems. Who made the devil<\/em>?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And I want you to think\u2013 You say I don\u2019t wanna think. I know you don\u2019t want, and that\u2019s why the white man\u2019s got you right by the nap [nape] of your neck. You won\u2019t think<\/em>. And the reason you won\u2019t think is because he\u2019s given you religion. From the time that King James, the one that wrote this Bible\u2013 how I disgustingly hate this man. I just cannot stand him, because he sent the Good Ship Jesus to Africa and brought our people back in slave chains. This man\u2013 this man that you revere, and you\u2019ve got him under your shoulder, some of you come in here with him like he was God. You hold him precious, he\u2019s so sweet, you just hold him up next to you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>This\u2013 (short laugh)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>This<\/em>\u2013 (Pause) (Voice rises throughout) This man that wrote this book sent the first slave ship to Africa, and brought our people back \u2013 my people, your people \u2013 in chains. Brought them back on the Good Ship Jesus telling them that they were gonna get an education. He was an alcoholic! He was a sexual pervert! He molested children and men in his court, he was an evil man, and he\u2013 Everything, all of our trouble comes out of this. (Pats book) That\u2019s why the white man\u2019ll own all the radio broadcasts now. We are chosen. We\u2019re the white people, we\u2019re the special people. We\u2019re the lost tribes. (Pause) Why they get this because of slave curse, that slaves should obey their masters. They\u2019re preaching<\/em> it on the radio, if you got the\u2013 get the wax<\/em> out of your ears. They\u2019re preaching<\/em> it again, that the slaves should\u2019ve never broken their chains, because the Bible said \u201cSlave, obey your master.\u201d<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And the Bible does<\/em> say it. And the Bible put it there, so you and I, the special people, the most enduring people, the most beautiful people, we would listen to their lie, and we would say, it\u2019s all right, the Bible says it, God<\/em> says it, so we\u2019ll stay in our misery, we\u2019ll stay in our slavery, we\u2019ll stay in our sin and our sickness, we\u2019ll do nothin\u2019 about it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>God, how dumb we are, how dumb we are.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Clears throat) And I\u2013 Now, if I took a question and answer period after this meeting \u2013 which I don\u2019t intend to \u2013 ninety percent of the people here wouldn\u2019t know what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 bout. They don\u2019t get it. Say, today you\u2019re leaning to the right. I\u2019m leaning to the right \u2018cause there\u2019s some good people over there that can change the world. Tomorrow may be leaning to the left to the sinner. I\u2019m tryin\u2019 to fish for somebody I want you to get it, \u2018cause you\u2019re a good soul and you got a whole lot of mess in your head. (Pause) (Calls out) Come on now, wake up!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Calls out) In Africa\u2013 In Africa our people didn\u2019t worship anything but the great sun, the great spirit of nature, and they would\u2013 they build uh, great kingdoms\u2013 great royal kingdoms. (conversational) The fact the forerunners of our people here, all<\/em> of our ancestors were from the best<\/em> of the tribes. Royalty<\/em>, they picked only the best<\/em>. You\u2019ve got the best ancestry in the world<\/em>. You\u2019re not\u2013 you\u2019re not niggardly, you\u2019re not low, you are the\u2013 you are the special people. You came from people of the greatest<\/em> background in Africa. They didn\u2019t take any little old pipsqueaks, they picked the kings<\/em> and the queens<\/em> and the princes<\/em> and the princesses<\/em>. That\u2019s who they wanted for their slaves. They wanted the smartest<\/em> and the strongest<\/em> and the most beautiful<\/em>. So your ancestors are the most beautiful<\/em> people on the earth. But they took us and set us down in some damn Baptist church, and told<\/em> us that we didn\u2019t have no sense.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>A microphone so I can hold it, honey. (Pause) All right, I\u2019m getting uh\u2013 difficult about these microphones \u2018cause I\u2019ve had so much problems with them. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(Quiet) I\u2019m begging you to try to understand me. Your letters, most of them underst\u2013 uh, understand\u2013 I\u2013 I appreciate every one of you, and I\u2019ll die\u2013 I\u2019ll die for each of you. I\u2019ll give my life for each of you. But I wish<\/em> uh, s\u2013 some of you would try to grow up, and take the meat, and quit drain\u2013 drin\u2013 drink on the milk of the Word. I wish some of you\u2019d be willing to get out of the nest now, and try to use your wings instead of just holding your mouth open for me to feed you all the time. I wish some of you\u2019d get out there and think<\/em> like I do and work<\/em> like I do, because then you\u2019ll be free, and I want you to be free more than anything in the world. (Pause) Why is it that we can buy this stuff? How is it that in here, we sit, and I\u2019ve got hundreds<\/em> and thousands of people who won\u2019t come near me because they\u2019re Baptist<\/em>. Said, I\u2019ve been a Baptist all my life. My mother<\/em> was a Baptist, my granddaddy<\/em> was a Baptist.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>We had a sister McFarland who was 50 years of age \u2013 they can tell you about it \u2013 she came in, she says, I\u2019m not gonna change my Baptist faith. She said, Jim Jones not gonna change me. I was a Baptist and my mother<\/em> was a Baptist and my grandma<\/em> was a Baptist, she said, I\u2019ve lived a Baptist for 49 years, and I\u2019m gonna die<\/em> a Baptist. And I said, the woman needs to be with me \u2013 you know who I\u2019m talkin\u2019 \u2018bout, Suzy McFarland. I said she needs to get out of that mess. The only way she\u2019s gonna live<\/em> is for her to get out of that mess<\/em>, because this is a way to life, this is a way to overcome fear<\/em>, that old religion of hell, fire and brimstone causes you to be sick<\/em>, that religion of pearly gates and that nonsense<\/em>, it\u2019s a bunch of boo-boo, you need to get rid<\/em> of it, it\u2019s all foolishness, <\/em>and I wanted her to get out of it, but she said, I gonna lived a Baptist for 49 years and I\u2019m gonna die a Baptist. She did. Two-and-a-half weeks later, she died a Baptist.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Ministerial fervor) Now what was that to be proud of? She was sick<\/em>, and I could\u2019ve healed her, (claps hands once) I coulda brought her out of her trouble, I\u2019ve taken many<\/em> a case like hers, and I saved her\u2013 Once she died, I went to her and brought her back<\/em>. But by God<\/em>, she had to go back<\/em> to that slop!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Calls)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>She had to go back<\/em> to that slop. She said, why are you so hard on Baptists? (Low, intense) Because, my proud brothers and sisters, my black mothers, my black grandfathers, were brought here with their chins high, taken off of the boat, and the moment<\/em> they got off the boat \u2013 the moment<\/em> they got off the boat, the moment they got off the boat \u2013 the chains were put on them\u2013 on them. And they were led\u2013 The first<\/em> thing they did with that bunch, the first<\/em> thing they did, before they fed them, if you know anything about the first settlements, they took them, and they set them down in barns<\/em>, and taught them religion, before they even gave them food, then they decided they\u2019d have to give them some rice, and some food, and they gave them any old concoction they could give them, because they knew they couldn\u2019t stay awake, to hear their religion. But at first<\/em> they sit them down, and taught them their Baptist religion. That\u2019s<\/em> why I hate Baptist religion, because a white<\/em> man created it, that\u2019s why!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I hate it because\u2013 and when are we gonna get our pride? I<\/em> know some of you are gonna leave on it. But also tell \u2018em they won\u2019t be able to get their\u2013 their healings<\/em> when they need it. (Pause) Four little babies\u2013 Four little babies\u2013 blood pressure problems. Sister [Janet] Shular. You\u2019re in the atmosphere\u2013 Her Baptist religion not that\u2013 worth that much to her to be paralyzed on her left side. I\u2019m just talkin\u2019 to somebody goin\u2019 out the door, then you get a little upset \u2018bout the fact that uh, I tell you the truth about the Baptist church. When our four babies in Birmingham, Alabama were in a Sunday school in a Baptist church mindin\u2019 their own business\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Shhh\u2013 They were sitting there mindin\u2019 their business, and some white Baptist elders, and the preacher came over from the white Baptist church, and\u2013 don\u2019t tell me, I know they had the record, and they didn\u2019t even indict one of them, they didn\u2019t arrest one of them, but everybody in the whole town knew who did it, they came over, closed their Sunday school and came over and blew those babies to hell in that place. That\u2019s what created Angela Davis, that\u2019s why she turned her back on the church and wanted no more to do with it, because those were her own childhood friends, and they blew those babies out, white Baptists did this. How much longer? Haven\u2019t we taken enough of their crap? Why do we have to take their name? (Cries out) Why do we have to take their name?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019d like to get to a place where I did not use any of those names. People say here, in the name of Jesus, in the name of this, and in the name of the Christian church, I\u2019d like to get the place where this is just the Jim Jones family.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And if you think that gives too much attention to one person, then let\u2019s just call it the people\u2019s<\/em> family.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Ministerial fervor) The family of the people<\/em>, power to the people<\/em>, the people<\/em> that\u2019ve got themselves together, the people that\u2019re working together, the people that\u2019re sharing<\/em> together. Why don\u2019t you talk about the people<\/em>?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And that\u2019s one thing that doesn\u2019t belong to the honky. The honky doesn\u2019t own the people. (Cries out) He doesn\u2019t own all the people. He hasn\u2019t got our soul<\/em> yet. He may have our head, but he hasn\u2019t got our soul<\/em>!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Now if I would just heal the sick, as I will in a little bit, and wouldn\u2019t say any of these things, this place would be packed from stem to stern. I could have what Kathryn Kuhlman has, good old Kathryn Kuhlman, who never would stand up. She came to my meetings and never would stand up for black, n\u2013 criticize me for adopting a black child, would never take the ca\u2013 the p\u2013 Yeah, I know some of you are Kathryn Kuhlmanites, but I got less respect for her than I do Ike [Reverend Ike (Frederick J. Eikerenkoetter II)].<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Voice rises throughout) I\u2019ll tell you, yes, it\u2019s true<\/em>! And I\u2019ll tell ya from the depths of my soul, any time a honky skirts around like they do in play church, and just heal the sick and they won\u2019t tell the people the truth, won\u2019t do anything to give them homes, come in here, there\u2019s nothin\u2019<\/em> bein\u2019 done by these people! They come in here and take the money, there\u2019s no homes, there\u2019s no children homes. I\u2019ve got acres up there, never one of you here will have to starve. We\u2019ve got food<\/em> growing, we\u2019ve got pears, we got strawberries, we got greens, we got potatoes, that\u2019s all growin\u2019. These people come in here and take over a Shrine auditorium, and pay five thousand dollars for a meeting, and run out of here and live in a mansion, and you don\u2019t see a dime of it. You think I\u2019m not gonna preach against those renegade devils. Yes I am<\/em>!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Quiet) Said she healed the sick. She healed the sick. Okay. I\u2019ll put ten<\/em> healings up for every one she does. But that isn\u2019t the point. Do you follow me because I heal people? Say, yeah, some of you do. You don\u2019t stand up here because I got an eleven-year-old son [Jim Jones Jr.] that got up there and spoke his heart when he was dead, I healed him. When he was just this very week, somebody was about to hit him with a car, and I stood up \u2013 and all the people there can testify \u2013 I stood up and put up my hand and the car stopped. Eleven years of age, when he was\u2013 when he was six, they said he would never speak, never speak clearly because he had an impediment. Here at eleven years of age, he\u2019s speaking out, pretty clearly, I\u2019d say.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs, scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Eight babies that were starvin\u2019 to death until I fed them and adopted them, and then you listen to these shysters come through and say (mocking tone) now, the Lord bless you, the Lord loves you! Hello, friends! (Normal voice) Listen<\/em>, I knew her when she was as phony as a three-cent piece, and she\u2019s just still<\/em> as phony as a three-cent piece, and I\u2019ve got no<\/em> faith in her, because I know her from Pittsburgh<\/em> to Indiana, I know her in Ohio, I know her in Columbus, I knew<\/em> that woman, I knew her when she was\u2013 as old nearly she\u2013 as some of you are now and she\u2019s still a (mocking tone) young woman.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Every time they come on the air, Kathryn Kuhlman, this young<\/em> woman\u2013 well, the old girl\u2019s every bit of 60. If you call that young, I don\u2019t know. I\u2019m glad for her to think<\/em> young, but she looks much older than 60 when I look at her, and she\u2019s a young woman.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Now honey, I know I\u2019m not a young man, and I\u2019ve got some years under her<\/em>. But you don\u2019t hear me goin\u2019 around talkin\u2019 \u2018bout this young man. Arturo Skinner gets on, he\u2019s sixty-some years of age, the young man God raised up. Honey, you\u2019re not\u2013 no, now, that\u2019s beautiful, but don\u2019t lie to people. It\u2019s all right to think young<\/em>, and you can be as young as you want to think, but don\u2019t get up and lie to people and tell \u2018em that you\u2019re young<\/em> when you\u2019re 60. You know you\u2019ve lived a long time when you lived 60 years.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019ll tell you what I got against her. The racist pastor in our city of Ukiah, Dr. Jones, supports her, the pastor in Eureka supports her, all of her pray\u2013 her leading<\/em> prayer supporters have been people that have openly\u2013 some of their people have come out of their churches and tried to bomb<\/em> ours. That\u2019s<\/em> what I got against that woman. She won\u2019t stand\u2013 (tape edit) (mocking) The Lord<\/em> cares, and the Lord<\/em> is coming soon, and I\u2019d tell her\u2013 Aww.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Scattered stirring)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Conversational) I will\u2013 I will change<\/em> after this sermon for\u2013 sometimes I won\u2019t\u2013 I won\u2019t\u2013 I\u2013 you won\u2019t hear me goin\u2019 on this point so much longer. (Pause) I\u2013 I\u2013 I don\u2019t know. I really don\u2019t know how you can look at religion, and not wish to get free<\/em> of it. (Pause) Or you listen to your radio stations, you listen to your Bible stations, and you hear their subtle little hate every day. They\u2019re preaching\u2013 They\u2019ll say law and order. Too much crime in the streets. You know who they\u2019re after, don\u2019t ya, honey?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>All that stuff about law and order, you better read that thing on the back wall there about the way\u2013 Adolf Hitler used that, that\u2019s the way he got the Ja\u2013 the Jews and the Orientals and the black[s] all put in concentration camp[s]<\/a>. That law and order business, that\u2019s a stacked case. They mean law and order for poor blacks, poor whites, poor brown, but they don\u2019t mean no law and order for those gangsters that\u2019s runnin\u2019 these countries\u2013 these towns.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Light applause)<\/p>\n

(Microphone noise)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s why I\u2019ve come along. Do you know, that I\u2019ve run into cases here, they treat him like the devil, one of our brothers, Brother Kerry beat up on him, kicked him in, till I get in the case\u2013 I get in the case and they know we represent numbers. They don\u2019t care about us. They just as soon spit on the likes of me. They\u2019d like to cut my throat. They look at us and they seethe<\/em>. But they know there\u2019s a whole lot of us, and they know that when votin\u2019 time comes, we\u2019re gonna put our vote where the right place should be, we\u2019re gonna vote for people that at least show a little more care than the others, ya haven\u2019t got much of a choice left, but we\u2019re gonna show<\/em> that our vote counts and we\u2019re gonna show our numbers. And when I walked in, this young brother, our\u2013 our attorneys walked into the case, (Pause) when we walked into the case, they dropped the charges. How many times that is, when we get into it, they\u2019ll drop the charges. Kick \u2018em and beat \u2018em and I\u2019ll walk in and they\u2019ll drop the charges. I said they drop the charges. they drop the charges. (Microphone noise) (Talks to microphone) Straighten up, damn ya.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Light applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It\u2019s bad enough to have all the honkies fightin\u2019 me out here without this<\/em> thing fightin\u2019 with me too.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Calls out) I\u2019m saying to you folk, before<\/em> I came, you didn\u2019t have a chance<\/em> of getting out of hell. You didn\u2019t get a chance<\/em> to gettin\u2019 out of your jail. You didn\u2019t have a chance<\/em>\u2013 They beat your brains out here, we saw that mess out here, beatin\u2019 people around when I raised that woman from the dead, the ambulance man callin\u2019 her nigger, and kickin\u2019 her in, kickin\u2019 her right in the ambulance, (voice drops) and there wasn\u2019t a thing done to stop it, until we got our numbers together. (Pause) Till we got our numbers together.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Conversational) And we showed that we\u2019re trying to build a kindly, peaceful society, and we\u2019ve shown our love to the\u2013 the police district commander here, and working as well as we can to show that we want goodwill, but<\/em> showing also that we\u2019re gonna stand by each other through thick, thin, hell or high water.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(Microphone noise)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It\u2019s comin\u2019 out. I ain\u2019t\u2013 I never saw anything like this place. This is somethin\u2019 else. I\u2019ve raised the dead, and I\u2019ve gone and walked on the water, and I\u2019ve stopped the rain and stopped the sun, but I have never seen anything like this microphone problem in my born days. Anyway\u2013 Now, anyway, why don\u2019t you ask questions, is what I\u2019m concerned about. Why don\u2019t you ask questions? Why do you have trouble s\u2013 worshipping something you see<\/em>? Ol\u2019 Flip Wilson tried to say it, and then they put pressure on him \u2018cause he made fun of all those preachers. He made so much fun of \u2018em, he was just gettin\u2019 it right across, and then they made him stop<\/em> that religious skit, you know. He stopped<\/em> it. Oh, the preachers raised\u2013 Jet<\/em> Magazine told about it, how they were raisin\u2019 Cain, preachers signed petitions, the jackleg preachers up and down the country, white and<\/em> black were tellin\u2019 him no more of that. Well, he preachin\u2019 bout the Cadillac, he\u2019s dancin\u2019 around in his black robe, tellin\u2019 \u2018em just about how it was, in his comedy way. (Imitating tone) What you see is what you get.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Calm) Beloved, what you see is all<\/em> that you\u2019re gonna get. Ya don\u2019t get what ya don\u2019t see. When ya look across this world\u2013 the president of the United States [Richard Nixon] said two out of three babies are going to bed hungry. Look at the TV and see their scrawny little faces, their sunken eyes. Look at you. I\u2019m tryin\u2019 to help you, but a lot of people won\u2019t let me help you. That\u2019s why I have to preach this long. If it\u2019ll all get you understanding, we could quit this. But right now, if I\u2019d ask questions, some people wouldn\u2019t even know what I\u2019ve spoken about. Said, I\u2019d like to get down just to serving you and quit having to go through all this. I\u2019d like to put it in writing. If I did, they\u2019d come and burn this church down. Some of you wouldn\u2019t read it anyway, but some would. And I wish I could<\/em> put it in writing, but when you put something in writing\u2013 That\u2019s why, in the first body, he didn\u2019t write but only in the sand. He knew what you write, they can use against you. If you get it in your head\u2013 Nobody can use what you got in your head, can they? But when you write it, they can use it against you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Light applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And I love you too much to give you any more trouble. You got enough trouble. That\u2019s why you\u2019ll notice this thing I\u2019ve written, you find my name on it? You won\u2019t find my name, you won\u2019t find Peoples Temple, you won\u2019t find a name on it, because this is dynamite. If people would get a hold of this, it would change the world. They\u2019d get rid of religion, and get a new day of service and love to their fellow man. It would stop communism, they\u2019re so afraid of it. It\u2019d stop fascism, because it\u2019s the pure sharing, the only pure sharing that comes is the brotherhood of man that we teach and practice. The purest<\/em> kind of socialism.<\/p>\n

Well, here we are, and how we have two out of three babies going to bed hungry, we have famine, earthquake, disease, we have poverty in ghettos, we have black people who don\u2019t get a fair break from the time they\u2019re born, we have white people who come in with a silver spoon in their mouth, except you precious white people who come in here and help us, you\u2019re very beautiful, you\u2019re very rare. There\u2019re not many\u2013 not anyone like you. You\u2019re very rare, but there\u2019re not very many of you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Light applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Let me tell you, I can out-heal any healer. I can out-heal. There\u2019s no one that can cause growth to come right up, like the sister spit up the growth there, no doctor could help and she spit it up there earlier this\u2013 this week\u2013 this service. Spit it up. You never seen that done at any meeting. Never, never, never anywhere.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Light applause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>There\u2019s a sister standing up there now. Now (Pause) if I would just heal, you\u2019d have to get the Shrine auditorium for me too. But it\u2019s because I teach freedom. I teach equality. I teach and practice justice. You\u2019d have so many white people in here\u2013 If I wouldn\u2019t talk about black people\u2019s rights, they\u2019d be in here, they\u2019d be standing around the walls. I could have everything that Kathryn Kuhlman has, if I\u2019d sell you out. But honey, I wouldn\u2019t sell you out for 55,000 Shrine auditoriums.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And\u2013 And I want you to know that they\u2019re not going to stop the thing from happening that I know is gonna happen, unless we work together and we make this our God. We\u2019ve got to make this<\/em> our only God. This movement, or our family, the only God. We\u2019ve got to make it it<\/em>. Germany was the most Christian nation in Europe, and it murdered the Jews. They murdered the Jews. Now please listen to me. Bibles don\u2019t make people nicer. The Union of the South Africa is a Bible-teaching nation, but the blacks cannot move out of their city block. They\u2019ve got to have a pass<\/em>. And at night, at six o\u2019clock, (Flares) they\u2019ve got to be (unintelligible word). But it\u2019s a Bible-fearing nation. The crosses everywhere on every corner. Churches, churches everywhere. But Christian nations have been the most bloody, murderous nations in existence. They\u2019ve killed the Indians like none other. My people were raped, my children, my sisters, my brothers, little babies, grandmothers, Wounded Knee, the Dakota incident, you name them. There\u2019re too many to mention. Up through northern California, there\u2019s little communities where Indians were drowned to the last baby, every last one of them gone. The tribes are gone, they\u2019re lost, they\u2019re dead, killed by Christian missionaries, Bible-totin\u2019 missionaries, murdered under the guise of religion, tryin\u2019 to convert them. General [George Armstrong] Custer, before he marched down and murdered our Indians, read out of the Bible and prayed.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s know the facts, children, let\u2019s know the facts. At least we may not avoid suffering, but we can know the facts. We have to get a change<\/em>, we\u2019ve got to find<\/em> ourselves, we\u2019ve got to get back to our inheritance, we\u2019ve got to get back to our her\u2013 our first love, we\u2019ve got to get rid<\/em> of all this stuff they put in our heads. We were<\/em> a special people. We had a beautiful<\/em> history. Your history, black, my history, Indian, and\u2013 I have a mixture of it because I come from both of you. I\u2019ve got a mixture of all<\/em> the beautiful histories.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And you that are white, you\u2013 you\u2019ve made a history for yourself, you\u2019re the bravest of all. You\u2019ve been willing to give up your special privilege and come in here, so you don\u2019t need to feel down in the mouth. You that really are one with us, you are the most beautiful of all, because you\u2019ve taken uh, a highway of suffering, when you could\u2019ve g\u2013 lost<\/em> yourself in the beauty, so-called beauty of hypocrisy and sin and sellout, you could\u2019ve lost<\/em> yourself by just selling out. So we love you. And I know how hard it is, because some of the whites say to me, what\u2019s my heritage? Well, your heritage is not theirs, you\u2019ve become a part of us, and you\u2019re more a part of us than some of these Uncle Toms and Aunt Janes. You\u2019re a part<\/em> of us!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I notice some of our white people wear black, and they try to dress<\/em> in black, and I think that\u2019s beautiful. You can dress as black as you want to, and dye your hair black if you want to, do whatever you want to, you be as black<\/em> as you want to be, because you\u2019re entitled<\/em> to be black, you took<\/em> this upon yourself, you took<\/em> it, you willingly identified with us, you became a part of us, so be what you want to be.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It isn\u2019t your skin though, or your hair that\u2019s not lovely. Everybody\u2019s beautiful. Black, brown, red, yellow, everyone\u2019s precious, every color\u2019s precious, it\u2019s what people do that make them ugly.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>We\u2019re not against white, we\u2019re against honky<\/em>, that\u2019s what we\u2019re against. We\u2019re against those that sell<\/em> out people, those that cruelly misuse people, that\u2019s<\/em> what we\u2019re against. Not blond and blue eyes, we\u2019re against\u2013 not red hair or white skin, we\u2019re against a system<\/em>, that would (Calms) cruelly misuse and abuse 20 percent of the population. (Pause) But I hope<\/em> that you know that we\u2019ve got to get rid of all<\/em> the remnants of the old stuff. We gotta get rid of it. (Emphatic) We must get rid of it. Someone was saying here, Mother Grace got up and said, the name now\u2019s Jim Jones. Well, whatever, if you can\u2019t use the name Jim Jones, then use the name of people. Because this is the people\u2019s<\/em> mission, this is the people\u2019s<\/em> day. This is a mission of the people<\/em>. And let\u2019s not go back and use any of those old words, like Lord. Lord means owner of slaves. Let\u2019s not use<\/em> any of those old words, let\u2019s not talk<\/em> about those old concepts, let\u2019s let those things be behind us, forget those things which are behind, let us press on to the mark, of the prize of freedom, the high calling of freedom and justice, (Calls out) let\u2019s press on to it!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Calms) My case has rested on your Bible that can not tell the truth from one page to the next. And this you could only know by reading here. I show you all the lies that are now in the Bible. It\u2019s right here. All you have to read or see. I rest my case in saying that, as much as you look at the universe, no matter what you want to think about the universe, you\u2019re gonna come out with pain. Pain. Because when you trace this all back, take us back to the beginning, and you say there was a God in the beginning, you\u2019re gonna ask, why did he have pain? Why did he have suffering? Why did he allow cruelty to come about? Why did he allow a devil to be made? That you\u2019re gonna ask. And you say, I don\u2019t ask such questions. Then you\u2019re dumb. Anybody that don\u2019t ask questions is dumb. And there\u2019s no use for you to stay dumb. You should ask questions about anything and everything. Anyone that doesn\u2019t ask the question\u2013 Billy Graham gets on and said\u2013 the other day on TV, few weeks ago he said\u2013 Someone asked him a question on TV, I think it was on the Paar show [Jack Paar, host of The Tonight Show<\/em>], he said\u2013 Someone called in and said, \u201cWell, why did God make man in the first place, or let the devil be made?\u201d He said, you know, I don\u2019t have the answer to that, I have to take it by faith. That\u2019s what Billy Graham said. (Soft laugh) Not me. What I see is what I get, and what I can\u2019t see, I don\u2019t want.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I take nothin\u2019 by faith. If I\u2019m kind, I want you to believe in me. If you can find somebody kinder, I want you to go today. And you let me know where they are, \u2018cause I\u2019m tired of workin\u2019 and I\u2019ll go and join them too, \u2018cause I\u2019d like to help them.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>If you can find anyone kinder that\u2019ll adopt more babies, that\u2019ll take in more older people, that\u2019ll do more, because I\u2013 some of these older people I\u2019m looking at, I\u2019ve gone into their bowels when they came to me, and broke up their impactions, broke up\u2013 You didn\u2019t need to raise your hand, honey, because you\u2019re not the only one. But that\u2019s sweet of you. Broke up impactions, with my own fingers and healed their body, bathed their wounds, brought them back after 27 years. I\u2019m tired. I\u2019m tired, but there\u2019s nobody else that\u2019ll do this. I\u2019ve done this work. And if you can find anybody kinder today, I say go. If you can find somebody nicer, somebody braver that\u2019ll fight for you, go. If you can\u2019t, then you better stay with me. And I know you can\u2019t. And I\u2019m sorry you can\u2019t, you\u2019ll not find anybody like me, there\u2019s not a man in this world like Jim Jones, so you\u2019ll have to stand with him.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>But if ya could<\/em>, ya should<\/em>. I don\u2019t stand up here and say, take<\/em> me by faith<\/em>. Stand up here with la\u2013 with diamond pens. I don\u2019t know how these preachers look<\/em> at their people. Stand up with diamonds on and Rolls Royce\u2019s out there, never adopted any baby, livin\u2019 away out in the suburbs while you live in some bad neighborhood, where you don\u2019t have good conditions, and they\u2019ll say, (mocking preacher tone) \u201cYou gotta trust me. You gotta trust God. God sent me. You gotta believe God sent me.\u201d (Excited, but normal voice) Why should I have to believe God sent some big old fat ass<\/em>, that never did anything for me? Why<\/em>?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019ll trust you if you\u2019ll act trustworthy. I\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2019ll trust you if you act honest. I\u2019ll believe in you if you act loving. But just because somebody puts on a robe, and wears a Bible, and puts a cross on his neck. (Voice drops) The fact of the matter, that\u2019s the one way to get me to least<\/em> trust you. \u2018Cause I never had a whore do me wrong. I never had a pimp to do me in. I\u2019ve never had a gamblin\u2019 man try to hurt me. And the time when they came to our church, was gonna blow it up, the church that was involved with Kathryn Kuhlman\u2019s campaign, every day, they were the ones who were gonna blow our church up, and the tavern man, the man got drunk, he says, you know that old woman of mine. He said, that old woman, that damned old church, she gonna hurt those Jones people again. Said, they\u2019re mean<\/em> people. Said, they over there supposed to be the servant of God, and all they\u2019re doin\u2019 is cookin\u2019 up somethin\u2019 to do to Jones. The tavern man says, what they getting ready to do? Said, on Halloween night they\u2019re gonna do so and so. He gets on the phone, the tavern<\/em> man, meanest<\/em> man in Redwood Valley\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation: <\/strong>(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(speaks quickly) Supposed to be the meanest man. He don\u2019t believe in God. Said I don\u2019t believe in nothin\u2019. Don\u2019t believe nothin\u2019. Said, this goddamn mean world, don\u2019t believe in nothin\u2019<\/em> but you. That\u2019s what he told me. Said, I believe you\u2019re a good<\/em> man. Said, I don\u2019t believe you\u2019re no God. Said I don\u2019t believe<\/em> in no God. Said, I just believe you\u2019re a good man, and you take care of your people, and he said, them damn people are gettin\u2019 ready to hurt you \u2013 I\u2019m just almost tellin\u2019 you word for word what he said \u2013 he said, them damn people getting ready to blow you up, and I want you to know, you don\u2019t trust that sonofabitchin\u2019 church, you better be on, uh\u2013 be ready for \u2018em on Halloween night.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>We caught \u2018em. I mean, he cussed, he cussed as mean. He said, I don\u2019t believe in nothin\u2019<\/em> in this world, everybody\u2019s mean<\/em>, everybody out to get everybody else, there\u2019s no God<\/em>, \u2018cause he wouldna made no mess like this. He said I<\/em> got more sense then to make a mess like this. He said I wouldn\u2019t even have no children<\/em> in this world, such a mean world, then God\u2019s supposed to have children because he was lonely? That\u2019s what Billy Graham said, and that\u2019s what all your churches say, God had children, \u2018cause he was lonely. He made you \u2018cause he wants somebody to sing (Sings) \u201cHallelujah, hallelujah, we praise you, we love you.\u201d (Speaks) You think I\u2019m gonna fall over, honey, I\u2019m not gonna fall over, I\u2019m gonna be around for a while. (Laughs dramatically)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Normal tone) Now finally, finally they\u2019re gonna want me out of the way, because you see, I\u2019m gone get you\u00a0 free. Won\u2019t be just nigger Jim that\u2019s free, it\u2019ll be all the rest<\/em> of you.<\/a> And they\u2019re not gonna like that. Then they gonna lie in their newspapers and their radio, and they\u2019re gonna try to divide this house. It\u2019ll\u2013 It\u2019ll shake, it\u2019ll shake this house, but if you stand, you can go through it. You can go through anything, if we stand together. They can\u2019t get us if we stand together. No way they can get to<\/em> us, if we stand together.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>No, I\u2019ve never had a gamblin\u2019 man, nor a pimp, and I\u2019ve never had a whoremonger nor a whore ever do me any wrong, but I have never been able to trust a preacher further than I could throw him\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Never. I\u2019m gonna tell you the\u2013 the\u2013 the truth<\/em>. The other day I thought, the white man\u2019s tryin\u2019 to divide again \u2013 I\u2019m talking not\u2013 not you that are white, you are black, everybody in this room\u2019s black \u2013 but the, uh, the man tryin\u2019 to divide us so badly, so\u2013 Macedonia church, Macedonia, the man [George Bedford], the head, the Baptist man\u2019s head of the federation of the Baptist \u2013 I thought, well, I\u2019m gonna try to make up with the man. I don\u2019t like<\/em> him, but I\u2019m gonna try to make up with him, \u2018cause\u2013 \u2018cause, after all, he was a\u2013 he\u2019s a rascal<\/em>. He took two of my children that were minors<\/em> and tried to get them in bed<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Quietly affirms)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It\u2019s what he did. And\u2013 but\u2013 but he acted through the years \u2013 that\u2019s been some years ago, it was Janet Phillips and Bonnie Beck \u2013 and he acted uh, like he was tryin\u2019 to learn some sense<\/em>, and he was helping prisoners<\/em> get rehabilitated. So I thought, well, I\u2019ll uh, I\u2019ll try to give some help, so I called up and we offered some money for prisoners, and gave five\u2013 we raised 500 dollars to help prisoners get their way, find their way.<\/p>\n

Now what did he do, ly\u2013 just\u2013 just typical lyin\u2019 preachers. And he\u2019s the head one. Old Dr. George, what\u2019d he do, but get up and show that check, \u2018cause he knew<\/em> what he\u2019d done with those girls. And he waved that check and he said, \u201cHere\u2019s the check from Jones. He\u2019s tryin\u2019 to keep the\u2013 me from suin\u2019 him, so he sent us 500 dollars check.\u201d And the prisoners were supposed to get that check. He wasn\u2019t even supposed to get the check, and some of his members \u2013 he don\u2019t know I got some of his members don\u2019t like him \u2013 and they called up and says, \u201cHe\u2019s wavin\u2019 a check around there. That check you supposed to give to the prisoners, he\u2019s got that check and he\u2019s wavin\u2019 it around the pulpit.\u201d I called up and I said, George Bedford, you get that check into those prisoners, \u2018cause that check don\u2019t belong to you. He said, \u201cWell, I did.\u201d I said, \u201cDon\u2019t tell me you did, \u2018cause I know what you been doin\u2019 with the check.\u201d I said, \u201cGet that check to them, now<\/em>.\u201d (Pause) And then they got the check the next morning.<\/p>\n

Now I want you to hear this \u2013 now you just listen to this \u2013 what a liar<\/em> that was. You see, the reason I\u2019m sayin\u2019 again what he did, if I\u2019m tryin\u2019 to keep him from suin\u2019, I\u2019m still sayin\u2019 he\u2019s an old, lecherous, whore-mongerin\u2019 bastard.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Laughter, applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>He told it up and down, the reason I\u2019m saying\u2013 I\u2019m only saying it because he said I was tryin\u2019 to keep him from suin\u2019<\/em> me. I want you to know, I wouldn\u2019t try to keep any old devil like that, so if I\u2019m tryin\u2019 to keep him from suin\u2019 me, why am I still sayin\u2019 it?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Five hundred dollars? That wouldn\u2019t keep me\u2013 Oh, you know that old rascal. If he had a case against me, he could sue our church. But he knows he can\u2019t, \u2018cause we\u2019ve got witnesses. He tried to get those girls in the bed. He\u2013 we\u2019ve got witnesses<\/em>, and he knows he wouldn\u2019t dare get in the court, he wouldn\u2019t dare<\/em> face the court, so for three or four years, I\u2019ve been sayin\u2019 he\u2019s an old, lecherous whore-mongerin\u2019 bastard, and there nothin\u2019 he can do about it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Chuckles)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You say, what are ya talkin\u2019 so funny today, Father? I got\u2013 I got some folk here, they don\u2019t know whether they\u2019re comin\u2019 or goin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Laughter and scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Say, I want ya to get on with the healings, they might stay. Yes they might. Another one to be with their mouth open, go, \u201cFeed me, Father, Feed me, Father.\u201d I don\u2019t want nobody else to sit here and say, feed<\/em> me, Father. I can show you healings that\u2019ll cause your hair to stand on end, but I\u2019m not interested in showing you no healings. I want some of you people to get your mind<\/em> open. If you want to come in here and help us work for freedom and justice, fine. But I want you to know the score. The worst enemies we got are preachers. The worst enemies we\u2019ve got is religion and its churches. That\u2019s the worst. I\u2019m sorry to tell you the fact, we\u2019ve got a few preachers that are different than that, but they\u2019ve come out. I guess we got a few preachers in here, one been healed of cancer, I see him settin\u2019 back there, I believe in him, but I don\u2019t believe in very many of \u2018em. He\u2019s not a Baptist now, either, he\u2019s certainly\u2013 this\u2013 this Brother Hill, he never was a Baptist. So uh\u2013 I believe\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>He passed a cancer right here in our\u2013 in our meeting before our eyes, and I says, guess this\u2013 how many preachers are in the house? How many preachers in the house? (unintelligible word) A lot\u2013 One of \u2018em lyin\u2019, he sittin\u2019 back there, I look at ya, I know you\u2019re a preacher, come on now, honey.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Got any preacher over there? Ya got any preacher over there? No preacher over there. Hey, you people, you say you don\u2019t lie? You lie, you lie, you lie.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Laughter and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Chuckles). Well, Brother Hill, you and I are the only preachers in here, they won\u2019t\u2013 we\u2019re the only ones acknowledging it. We\u2019re the only one that gonna confess this.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Responds)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It\u2019s a big job tryin\u2019 to keep the house, and so I\u2019ve gotten some of you mad, so you won\u2019t come back. \u2018Cause I got too big a house to take care of people that wanna not face truth. And some of you don\u2019t want to face truth. You want to sing and be blind, and pray and be blind and be dumb. I don\u2019t need any more dummies, I got enough dummies, so we need some people now to start thinkin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Say, I never question, God\u2019s been so good to me. Well, if he had \u2013 and I doubt that, I doubt if there\u2019ve been all the cases where you\u2019ve never suffered, I spec\u2013 suspect you\u2019ve lost some children or some sisters or brothers, or you lost a wife or a husband, or you lost a mother or a father too young, that died before their time, that they work too hard, I\u2019m sure<\/em> that every one of you got a case like that, I\u2019m sure you got some cases that you can make in the court<\/em> as to why God, the Sky God, should be on trial, I\u2019m sure some of you could indict the Sky God, everyone here\u2019s got a case against the Sky God, if you\u2019re honest enough to say it, but most of you not honest enough to tell it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You won\u2019t admit the fact. You know you\u2019ve seen people, like the g\u2013 governor that don\u2019t pay any taxes, and he gets everything comin\u2019 his way just because he happens to be the right color and knows the right people, and d\u2013 deals in the crooked game of politics, and you\u2019ve suffered all your day, and you\u2019ve worked hard, and had to hold two jobs, some of you\u2019ve had to hold two jobs to make ends meet\u2013 you tell me you don\u2019t have somebody to blame. You say, well, that\u2019s not God\u2019s fault. Who made you? You said he made you. You said he can see all, he knows all, he does all. If he can do all this stuff, well, why don\u2019t he look after<\/em> you all the time?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Makes no difference to me. And the\u2013 the Christian church don\u2019t like it, it they can lump it, \u2018cause we just assume be atheists, you hear me? (Clicks tongue)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019m not gonna settle, br\u2013 br\u2013 bridle my thoughts for anybody. I\u2019m not here\u2013 if you don\u2019t like our money, then you can go and run<\/em> with it \u2018cause uh, I\u2019m not interested in it, I\u2019m tired of your foolishness<\/em>, ya won\u2019t do anything, you got just a few leaders that\u2019ll do something about Vietnam, or racism, ya just build big churches, so I don\u2019t care if you don\u2019t like us, we don\u2019t need you, we can get along without you too.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(Long pause) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Uh\u2013 Shh\u2013 I\u2019m tired of it, tired of the whole damn mess, that\u2019s what I\u2019m tired of.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019m gonna come out there and see some of\u2013 somebody in here spyin\u2019 out my liberty. I\u2019m gonna take a look at \u2018em, and go by and go, one two three whammy.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Responds) (Microphone noise)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Wanders through congregation) It\u2019s all right. I wanna see who\u2019s in this house<\/em> today. I don\u2019t have much\u2013 any volume<\/em> here enough to suit me. I wanna see who\u2019s in this house<\/em> today.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Shake it, sha\u2013 shake my arm. If I shook your hand, then I\u2019d have to shake everyone\u2019s hand, and I won\u2019t do that so you shake if you choose. Because I\u2013 I don\u2019t shake\u2013 if I can\u2019t shake one, I won\u2019t shake any. And I can\u2013 I\u2013 that\u2019s all right, that\u2019s all you want. I\u2019m just like you. My\u2013 my\u2013 my bein\u2019 comes from the same place yours does.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Unintelligible aside) (Normal tone) I\u2019m just wanderin\u2019 round here, findin\u2019 out who\u2019s around. (Long pause) How are you doin\u2019?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Fine.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019m doin\u2019 fine. You sure you\u2019re doin\u2019 fine? Good. (Long pause) Hi. I just wanted to see who slipped in. (Long pause) Hi, my (unintelligible word). I love ya. You don\u2019t know what a (same word) is, they do. (Pause) Well, I found out what I was lookin\u2019 for, and I neutralized<\/em> it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It\u2019s all right. See, you gotta neutralize<\/em> some folk that are up to stuff. They don\u2019t\u2013 they don\u2019t behave decently because they\u2013 they\u2019re nice p\u2013 uh, people. If they did, nobody\u2019d ever do any harm to me. And really, I don\u2019t care what they do to me, it\u2019s only what they do to you. They wouldn\u2019t never do anything that way, if they uh, were nice, but you know what people have to be reminded of is my power<\/em>, and you can feel<\/em> it if you\u2019re around me when you\u2019re not doin\u2019 right. It makes ya feel nervous. It makes ya feel real nervous. Gets people awful edgy. When you\u2019re not doin\u2019 right, you don\u2019t do too well standin\u2019 by me. If you\u2019re doin\u2019\u2013 if you\u2019re doin\u2019 right, like this sister, she\u2019s in good shape.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Responds)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Thank you, Father. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>But when\u2013 but when\u2013 ya see, that\u2019s all\u2013 you say, what am I doin\u2019? I\u2019m not\u2013 I\u2019m not down here clownin\u2019 with anybody, I\u2019m just doin\u2019 my walkin\u2019, I\u2019m just doin\u2019 my walkin\u2019. Because when I walk by ya, and you\u2019re not doin\u2019 what you ought to, all I have to do is just take an inventory.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Scattered voices)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I take an inventory and I just stand around, and all that you think you gonna do, I just turn it around. I\u2013 I know how to deal with boomerangs. I just turn all<\/em> that stuff around that you\u2019re gettin\u2019 ready to send out to do to somebody else, or to hurt<\/em>, and it goes right back in on you<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Mm-hmm, mm-hmm [Yes]. (Pause) (tape edit) I\u2019ve taken enough time\u2013 (Pause) It\u2019s all right. (Pause) I\u2019ve taken enough time. Now you shift yourself. (Pause) I\u2019ve taken enough time. (Long pause) My mi\u2013 micropho\u2013 my pen\u2013 pen here, I don\u2019t seem to have pens, I need to make notes. Thank you. Hands\u2013 Hands clasped. (Coughs, clears throat) Now what\u2019s gonna happen here, today, depends on what you<\/em> do. They\u2019ve told me, long before I started preaching, I had to tell the truth anyway, no matter whether we took an offering or not, I had to take\u2013 tell the truth. Before I took this uh, sermon message to you, and I\u2019ve spoken nothing but the truth, they told me how dreadful the offering was. Now\u2013 (tape edit) \u2013made history all<\/em> over this nation. I won\u2019t die easy. They\u2019ll have to kill me, and I mean, I\u2013 I\u2019ll be a fierce<\/em> one to die. And the torture of my death will be so wide-known that everybo\u2013 everybody\u2019ll know about it. Because I\u2019m gonna save you, or I\u2019m gonna die tryin\u2019. Did you hear what I said? I\u2019m gonna save you, or I\u2019m gonna die tryin\u2019.<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

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