{"id":27309,"date":"2013-06-16T00:19:09","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:19:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27309"},"modified":"2016-02-18T20:03:42","modified_gmt":"2016-02-18T20:03:42","slug":"q1023","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27309","title":{"rendered":"Q1023 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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(Note<\/strong>: This tape was transcribed by Seriina Covarrubias. The editors thank her for her invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

(Music of organ and choir plays periodically throughout tape)<\/p>\n

Woman 1: <\/b>(Unintelligible intro) big. Wait a minute. (Pause) Peace, family. I\u2019m so glad to be here with you tonight. I\u2019m so glad to be here with you tonight<\/i>!<\/p>\n

Man 1:<\/b> Oh my God.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Woman 1: <\/b>It\u2019s wonderful. I\u2019m here because of Jim Jones.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Woman 1: <\/b>Jim Jones took me and my four children and gave us a home when we had roaming around for thirteen years, no place, nothing, not gonna know what we\u2019re gonna do next or where we\u2019re gonna live. (Pause) Well, I guess it\u2019s gonna have to be that big. I\u2019m so thankful, I\u2019m so grateful. There is no one else in the world that cares for us like Jim Jones.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Woman 1: <\/b>Nowhere, no one. The caring that you don\u2019t even see. I think some of you haven\u2019t even been to the valley to even get a glimpse<\/i> of his caring. But the character<\/i> he has and the love<\/i> that he has, if you could see the love that he has for animals<\/i> and plants<\/i> and even weeds<\/i>, you would see what he has for you<\/i>. (Excited) You can imagine<\/i> the love he has for you. (Calms) And he works constantly,<\/i> and all you have to do is follow his teachings. Be good, and he will mentally take care of everything<\/i>. Just speak<\/i> on what you need taken care of. and it\u2019s taken care of. There is nowhere, no one like our Pastor Jim Jones.<\/p>\n

Voices in congregation:<\/b> Amen, yeah.<\/p>\n

Woman 1: <\/b>No one in the world like him.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Woman 1: <\/b>No one at all<\/i>. (Pause) I\u2019m so grateful.<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/b> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Woman 1: <\/b>I love you, family.<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/b> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Woman 1: <\/b>Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Woman 2: <\/b>Peace, everyone. I just want to tell you the wonderful miracle that happened right here in choir while we were singing. I don\u2019t know if you can see \u2018em, but there\u2019s lights all up and down the stage here, and while we were singing, one of them exploded<\/i>, and there\u2019re sharp pieces of glass flew all over the choir, and not one person was hit.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> All right.<\/p>\n

Woman 2: <\/b>The glass is so sharp, and not one person was hurt. Thank<\/i> you, Father, thank<\/i> you.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Man 3:<\/b> Now just think about that. Once you stand and praise<\/i> your God and give thanks, he looks out after you. And you know, we\u2019ve been told once before, what we\u2013 what we visualize, Jim Jones can materialize, and if we let him take over, if we become clay in his hands, he will mold and\u2013 and shape and develop us. But when we praise, things happen about us. That\u2019s something to think about. When our level of consciousness is raised<\/i>, glass can explode on our heads, and Jim Jones is there to make sure nothing happens. I think we have a mighty, mighty rock. I think we have a rock<\/i>. (Sings) Father\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman : <\/b>(Sings) Father\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Georgianne Brady<\/b>:<\/b> My name\u2019s Georgianne Brady, and I\u2019m from Redwood Valley, California, and I would like to thank our uncle Jim, because I think it was yesterday, um, um, our goat got of the pen and we were look\u2013 we had to stay in the house, \u2018cause she would buck us. We were looking out the window and the window was open and it slammed on my finger and it was\u2013 my finger was in there about two minutes until someone co\u2013 came and opened the win\u2013 window, and um, when it happened you could\u2013 you could\u2013 you could see part of my blood vein, and I would like to thank our Father, \u2018cause my finger could have been sliced right off.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Tim Carter:<\/b> Yes, yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Tim Carter:<\/b> Thank you. From the mouth of babes.<\/p>\n

Man 4:<\/b> That\u2019s right. Ha-ha. She knows.<\/p>\n

Tim Carter:<\/b> Peace, everybody. I want to tell you of another miracle happened this week that was equally beautiful. Tuesday night I was at the projects center in Redwood Valley working, and somebody came and knocked on the door, really urgent like and they said Rick Curful (phonetic) has his finger caught in the conveyor belt and they can\u2019t get it out. We say we\u2019re thinking we\u2019re gonna have to cut<\/i> it out. And you know, I thought my God, what\u2019s\u2013 what\u2019s\u2013 what\u2019s happening. So I ran next door and\u2013 and people were running around trying to figure out\u2013 trying to get scissors to do this and\u2013 and everything else and\u2013 and while we were doing this, he had uh, pulled it\u2013 it\u2013 there was a gas pump out there that he\u2019d been working on. He was trying to turn the gas pump off and as he was turning it off, it got caught in a conveyor belt and his finger was up\u2013 up to his\u2013 his first knuckle and it was s\u2013 smashed. And when he pulled it out, when he finally got it out, his finger was completely, it was\u2013 it was just pinched<\/i> like it was ready to fall off. It was totally smashed, completely<\/i> smashed. It was ready to fall off. There was no\u2013 in fact, when\u2013 the last time we had saw him, there was no hope whatsoever for him even to keep his\u2013 his finger on, outside of Jim Jones of course, but with Jim\u2013 Jim Jones there\u2019s always hope, because he is<\/i> hope.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Tim Carter:<\/b> So we made a\u2013 we made a phone call down to\u2013 down to the church and\u2013 and told him to expect him and\u2013 and to get him on to the hospital. I went back to my office and\u2013 and the phone rang, and I said hello, and it was Jim Jones, and he asked me what was going on and\u2013 and\u2013 and what was the situation with the accident, and was it all right. And I\u2013 I explained to him that\u2013 that Rick had\u2013 had gotten his finger out and he\u2019d just taken off in his car, nobody had a chance to talk with him or anything. And he said, all right, well\u2013 and he explained the pain that he was in. But he said, don\u2019t worry about it, \u2018cause I\u2019ll take care of it. And I walked outside, and it wasn\u2019t until I walked outside that I realized, nobody<\/i> had had the chance to call Jim Jones. Nobody had called him and told him that his finger was caught in the conveyor belt. Somebody did afterwards<\/i>. Somebody called Jim Jones after<\/i> he had called the office. He had already called the office and said I understand there\u2019s problems down there, can I take care of it, and five minutes later somebody called up and said Jim, Jim uh, this man\u2019s gonna have to lose his finger, and he already said, I\u2019m gonna take care of it. He\u2013 We don\u2019t have to call on him. He knows<\/i>, he knows<\/i>. He had called the office. Later on, I went to the switchboard operator, and I said you know that was Jim that called in the line, and she said, what line? Because that line was dead. She had not plugged in the switchboard. That was a dead telephone<\/i> that he called in on, people. That\u2013 that\u2013 it wasn\u2019t even hooked up. It was dead, completely. There was no way he could\u2019ve talked to me. I\u2019ll let Rick\u2013 I\u2019ll let Rick finish telling you what happened.<\/p>\n

Man 4:<\/b> My God!<\/p>\n

Rick:<\/b> Peace everybody, I\u2019m Rick Curful and I was down there and my finger was caught in there, and it was misery. And let me tell you. I called for Jim and it was\u2013 it was a miracle how my finger was smashed. And let me tell you, (Calls out) I thank Father for what he did for me!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Rick:<\/b> We went\u2013 we went down to the hospital, and before we went to the hospital, my finger was just demolished and totally smashed,<\/i> and there was nothing left of it. There was no way I coulda kept it, (Calls out) but when I got to the hospital, it was perfect<\/i> and normal<\/i>, and nobody around here can do that except for our God, Jim Jones. That\u2019s right, people, there\u2019s nobody around here. There\u2019s nobody around here that you\u2019ll find who has so much love over one little finger, but Jim Jones sure does. So I thank Father, thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Woman 3: <\/b>Peace, everyone. It is again indeed a pleasure to be here this evening. Over three years ago when I was sent home to die, Pastor Jones healed me. But hear what I want to say when a miracle happened to me about two weeks ago. I was on my way to Los Angeles, and I cried so much. I didn\u2019t know what was wrong. I couldn\u2019t even get my clothes on, and when I got to the airport, I usually get a wheelchair because I can\u2019t walk too far, and you know, when you go through that gate, the security guard, they examine you. It\u2019s not like the one down here. They have all kinds of tools \u00a0(Unintelligible word) and when he attempt to examine me, to search me, I had this picture in my bosom, Jim Jones\u2019 picture, because my chest had been hurting because I had cried so hard. Every time he tried to put his hand on me, that dog would almost cut his throat. He told the man that was rolling me round, he said I don\u2019t know what\u2019s wrong. He said it\u2019s only compacts you have in a pocket, but I had this picture in my bosom, I didn\u2019t know what was wrong. And then he said let me try you again, I said if you wished to I\u2019ll pull my dress up. He never could put his hands in my purse, he never could examine me, because this dog would not let him<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>He\u2019s worthy to be praised. Oh yes, he is. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Oh (unintelligible), \u2018cause we\u2019ve got God in our midst now, children. Oh yes, he is. He\u2019s wonderful to praise his name. Hallelujah, hallelujah. I want to thank him tonight, because he\u2019s good to me<\/i>, children. Oh yes, he is. Everything I undertake, he be there. I was at the doctor last Wednesday, and the doctor took examination of me. He said you was all right. You don\u2019t have to come back under six weeks. He ask me one time, is Jim gonna take you from me? (Laughs) Yes, he did. I said, well, he say you was a good doctor. He said, well that\u2019s good. (Laughs) He\u2019s all right, children, Oh yes, he is. \u2018Cause sometime I just tell it like it is, sometime he says some little things upset me, but he\u2019s all right. I don\u2019t want no other God but<\/i> him. He\u2019s the only one I calls on when I need<\/i> it. He\u2019s right there, Oh yes, he is, Oh yes, he is. (Pause) I\u2019m asking me to say, he\u2019s get us ready for that great day. Well, I know he is. I can tell how that president<\/i> [Jimmy Carter] was talking today. (Laughs) And I know he\u2019s getting us ready for that great day, because of the great day coming, children. (Sings) My God getting us ready for that great\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Hums) (Quietly) We will receive our offering at this time. Our commitments\u2013 (Tape edit) get out of life what we put into it. Nothing\u2019s going to be handed on a silver platter. If we give generously, all the parables of every world religion says we\u2013 we\u2013 we will reap pair\u2013 uh, then we will reap<\/i> generously. If we give sparingly, we reap sparingly. (Tape edit) We must think about what we have to do. Do you know what we have to do? (Pause) Do<\/i> you? You remember what we were talking about on Wednesday?<\/p>\n

Scattered in congregation:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What we\u2019ve been talking about, we have do to prepare ourselves for things that are ahead. (Hums) Now this offering\u2013 each one is to put everything in your envelope that you intend to give. I wish to see these envelopes. There was no other offering taken a while ago and there\u2019ll be no all\u2013 other offering for good members taken hereafter. We are separating the loyal from the non-committed. Now\u2013 now\u2019s the time, if you want to put down what you want to put down. Each envelope, after the treasurers have that this\u2013 the funds out of it, will been turned in. Any pledge that you can make, if it\u2019s a thousand dollars, or it\u2019s five hundred, or it\u2019s one hundred, put it down. I will look at each envelope personally. The miracles that happen this week, the young man you heard where they said they were gonna have to cut his hand out, and I\u2019d already called even beforehand and spoke to Tim Carter. I wasn\u2019t even aware of the time span of it, but I had told him there was no\u2013 nothing to worry about. Then we got a call, the same people that have to cut his hand off, and I said to the people present, no, they won\u2019t have to do that. Won\u2019t have to do that, and his hand is all right tonight, walking around here\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013helping and assisting. There he is right on the front row, hand perfectly normal, right on the front row, that young boy. Miracles like that come from giving generously. I mean that. If you give of yourself generously, you\u2019ll save yourself. Hold back, and everything will be held back from you. Now this is it\u2013 this is separation time. Our whole service has been changed tonight, so please take cognizance, take warning. Put down everything you can in the envelope of what you will do at this very moment. One minute. If you have need of help and being assisted to write, don\u2019t us\u2013\u00a0don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t hesitate. Someone will gladly come and help you. Some of the best thinkers in this world can\u2019t read nor write, so don\u2019t hesitate to ask for anyone to help you. (Tape edit) (Pause) The need is very great. (Pause) In one minute we\u2019ll collect our envelopes. Always remember to be as worshipful as possible in your offering. (Pause) (Hums) (Tape edit) Every member\u2013 every person who wants to be a member, take seriously what I just said. Each envelope will be looked at in the most special way that I have ever looked at an envelope, so tell them in the halls and the vestibules what they need to do. Thirty more seconds. (Pause) We don\u2019t want to take away from people\u2019s health by spending any more time. Fifteen seconds, please. Be sure each of these envelopes are bound together tonight. I want to see every one of them, what you\u2019re pledging, what you\u2019re putting in in cash. Of course, I don\u2019t handle the money but after the money\u2019s removed. Now\u2019s the time to turn them in. (Clears throat) (Pause) Turn them in quickly. If you don\u2019t want to participate, that\u2019s all right. If you can\u2019t, we understand, but if you can, be sure you do. (Pause) (Tape edit) Very generous to help, they won\u2019t\u2013 there\u2013 that\u2019s where our help\u2019s gonna come from, from you that\u2019re here in the Bay, in the valley that are faithful, (Clears throat) so please assist with whatever you can do right now. There are some people here that will be slated to have extreme tragedy in the next few hours. It\u2019s important that you clear up anything that\u2019s in your\u2013 your channel. That\u2019s why we\u2019re heavy. The house was filled on Wednesday. It was\u2013 It was a glory trip. People pass cancers, uh, delivered of cancers, crippling conditions, everything imaginable<\/i>. It was a glory<\/i> trip, a jubilee, but tonight, it\u2019s serious because I already see<\/i> things, and I don\u2019t want them to happen. Anyone have any question about anything that we stand for, or any point of information that you need about our teachings? (Tape edit) (Pause) Then you travel on your own time. This is your chance to clear up any question you have, any root of bitterness, any problem, any obstacle in relating fully, this is your chance. Let nothing come between you and your savior. (Tape edit) Fifteen seconds will tell you whether you have anything or not, fifteen more seconds to decide. (Pause) Ten seconds, if anyone has any question, you better decide it very quickly. Five seconds. No one else will be on the floor after that. That\u2019s it<\/i>. The ones that are on the floor already. (Clears throat) Sister there? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 5: <\/b>Father, I think of principle as a recipe like. Am I right in thinking that way?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> A principle?<\/p>\n

Woman 5: <\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Is a recipe?<\/p>\n

Woman 5: <\/b>Yes, just like a formula or a recipe, something to go by.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Conversational) In a great measure, yes. In a great measure, principle\u2013 God is principle, principle is love. Love is apostolic communalism where there is total<\/i> equality. There are no barriers in the family of God or Christ. Christ, I prefer to say, meaning the revolutionary, the anointed one, because God has no meaning without Christ. Christ in you<\/i>, the hope of glory. The hope must be in us, so Christ is a state of mind or state of consciousness. Now many say that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. This means nothing<\/i> at all in terms of literalism. A Father who would sacrifice his son for reprobates, evil doers, would be less than love. What was actually<\/i> the case, and has to be the case, a savior or God, a God must come himself<\/i>, and Jesus bore that out when he said I have come in my own name? No. I have come in my Father\u2019s<\/i> name. When you see me, you have seen the ultimate of good, or the Father. I and the Father are one. We see it of course as principle just being the highest source of good or the highest attainment<\/i> of good.<\/p>\n

Our own point of view is that we have been visited from higher dimensions. Paul called them third heavens \u2013 he was carried away to the third heaven once in a vision \u2013 or we say extra planetary realms. We have been visited from time to time by saviors from outer space. We see all over the planet today mentioning of u\u2013 uh, unidentified flying objects. It has even been said on the great body of scientific study, that (Pause) the Ark of the Covenant was a monitoring device from some spaceship outside, because when people touched it, they died from some electronic power, and it would speak<\/i> to the people, and the people worshipped it in Jeremiah\u2019s day (Clears throat) or in Joshua\u2019s day. They rent their clothes<\/i> before that Ark of the Covenant. Then it disappeared, it was lifted, and Jeremiah said we will remember the Ark of the Covenant no more.<\/p>\n

But wherever principle speaks, it\u2019s not important. Principle speaks on a lower plane. The farther you go back in history\u2013 Jesus says these things shall you do and greater, because I go to the Father, so we\u2019re living in a greater time of compassion, a greater time of love, a greater time of miracles. And there are no such things as miracles, only supernormal, supranatural, above what we consider to be natural.<\/p>\n

But it\u2019s a pretty\u2013 a pretty good point you make. Principle (Pause) is a recipe. The recipe today is total racial, social, and economic equality. The way to that recipe is love, but you have to define love. Some people think love means (Clears throat) sex. And that\u2019s the farthest thing from love. There\u2019s nothing farther from love than sex. Sex is animalism, sex is sensuality, sex is narcissism. I\u2019m not uh, knocking it, but there\u2019s no love in it. There\u2019s no love in sex, because people are seeking to be mirrored<\/i> in the partner that they\u2019re identifying with in sex. They want someone to uh, tell them how good a lover they are, and if they\u2019re not told how good a lover they are by a lot of emotional sounds or word verbalizing, they can\u2019t make love<\/i>. Particularity the man who is affected, because his organ has to be \u00a0(Clears throat) erect<\/i> and if\u2013 if the party that he\u2019s dealing with is unresponsive, uh, then he says he can\u2019t make love<\/i>, but indeed if you\u2019re making love<\/i>, your\u2013 uh, your composure<\/i> and your spiritual and uh, physical<\/i> stature or erection<\/i> won\u2019t depend upon what your partner wishes, or says rather. We\u2013 What they wish, yes, but not what they say. So this stuff called love out in the world, is the farthest thing from<\/i> love that I\u2019ve ever seen, \u2018cause love gives<\/i>, love sacrifices<\/i>, love does<\/i> what the other person needs. Indeed that might be physical, but 99% of the time, it would be something far<\/i> different, far, far<\/i> different than a biological uh, cohabitation. So this love has to be defined<\/i> today, and how do we define love? Some call it socialism. That\u2019s been badly m\u2013 abused by (Clears throat) Nazi Germany. They called them Nazi\u2013 National Socialists. Well, they\u2019re anything but socialists. [Adolf] Hitler was a Fascist. He had a\u2013 a war lord consul of the\u2013 (Tape edit) of the upper echelons of the rich. So there was no socialism at all, unless it was that all the poor workers had to fight on common ground. But the rich<\/i> had no socialism. So the word socialism\u2019s been badly abused<\/i>. The word Communism\u2019s<\/i> been badly abused, but on the day of Pentecost, they had all things in common. Perhaps we should call it Common-ism<\/i> or Communalism<\/i>. You have to share<\/i>, you have to think of your brother bit\u2013 or your sister above yourself. You give<\/i> your life and then you find it. That\u2019s the goal<\/i> we\u2019re working towards. No one\u2019s achieved<\/i> it, but I know (Clears throat) that our serving uh, in this ministry, I know no<\/i> one that\u2019s achieved it. (Pause) But it\u2019s the goal to be selfless. Jesus said deny yourself. Buddha said Nirvana, complete self death to where you identify with the cosmos, you become identified with others. You infuse with other people\u2019s lives. But Jesus taught the same thing, Buddha<\/i> taught the same thing, Krishna taught the same thing. All the great world religions taught the same, and even the political scientists of the highest order have taught the same thing. Lose<\/i> your life in service to others. So that is a recipe indeed, and it\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a formula for living and you have to begin in every little<\/i> way. Thoughtful little ways. (Tape edit) I don\u2019t think that we think enough of the little<\/i> ways. We will take the first seat on the aisle and make people tromp across us. Lots of ways that we don\u2019t think. It\u2019s constant vigilant effort to think. A moment ago I came and found my microphone ill-prepared. M\u2013 many times I\u2019ve asked for liquids to be prepared, microphone be prepared, because I have to the instrument<\/i> of people\u2019s health. If I don\u2019t say the right thing tonight, people will die<\/i>. On Wednesday night when I healed so many cancers, woman of the cancer of the breast and clear up into her arm and into the neck region of another. If I hadn\u2019t said the exact<\/i> words, someone would\u2019ve died, so the least<\/i> I can have is a microphone<\/i>, but then I spoke to the lad, and I said it\u2019s not your fault, because love<\/i> has to begin here<\/i>. Because I\u2013 I said I don\u2019t like<\/i> this, I said a few words up here, uh, not<\/i> curse words or anything like that, I just said I don\u2019t like<\/i> what\u2019s happening up here. I said I wanted these things prepared before I come. I don\u2019t like people disrupting the worship with pouring stuff or putting a microphone up. It should be done beforehand. But yet I was reflecting in the presence of a little<\/i> one, and he could feel all the guilt, and I said it\u2019s not your<\/i> fault, son. Love<\/i> or socialism begins in small ways<\/i>, and everyone wants to attain to the big<\/i> things. They want to talk about the glorious<\/i> collective of a great new day, (Voice builds) but they want to walk<\/i> over people, they want to push<\/i> and shove, they don\u2019t want to share their car, they don\u2019t want to share their money. And you cannot<\/i> get help until you share. You can\u2019t get life<\/i> until you get the principle. And God or Socialism is a principle. The law of life in the Christ sets us free<\/i> from the law of sin and death, but people\u2013 as long as they\u2019re selfish like they are tonight, the offering will be pitiful, holding onto their money, and they want me to heal them, but as long as you hold on and want to have a treasure above someone else, you are dying<\/i> because you\u2019re living<\/i> in the carnal mind. The enmity of\u2013 against the principle, the capitalistic mind, the selfish<\/i> mind, and that mind is enmity against God or good. So principle is indeed a recipe, and we should learn<\/i> that recipe. We should share our homes on Saturday nights when we\u2019re here every two weeks. It\u2019s a sin,<\/i> people run out of here, they never share their home, and some of the faithful ones of you share your home till you have people on the floor<\/i> and in your davenport and everywhere. You\u2019ve got them all over the house and you feed them. So good you are, and others don\u2019t know a thing<\/i> about it, and yet they come here tonight with their le\u2013 on the last leg and expect me to heal<\/i> them. Why, I could no more uh, heal them than a termite<\/i> could heal them, because you get what you give<\/i>. What you give<\/i> is what you\u2019re gonna receive<\/i>.<\/p>\n

(Voice calms) And I think that\u2019s a good point that you started us with. Principle<\/i> is a formula, it\u2019s a recipe, and you\u2019ve got to start on that recipe every day. No matter how many times people (Tape edit) do you harm, you<\/i> have to be principled. No matter how much things may be wrong<\/i> for you, you can\u2019t let a young lad feel, like in my<\/i> case, that he<\/i> was responsible for everything that\u2019s going wrong. Principle has to think of everything around you and all<\/i> that\u2019s happening about you. There been a whole lot of things gone wrong for me today, where selfish people have been inconsiderate, but that doesn\u2019t affect me, mustn\u2019t<\/i> affect me in the gross product or in my output. You can\u2019t keep the birds from flying<\/i> over your head, but you can keep them from nesting in your hair. You can\u2019t keep the thoughts out, but you can keep the words, or if you let the words slip you can bring the word back and some amenity for it or make some reconciliation for it.<\/p>\n

(Voice builds throughout) But there\u2019re very<\/i> few people that\u2019re saved. They talk about being born again. I<\/i> haven\u2019t seen anybody born again in these Baptist or Pentecostal churches. They\u2019re not new creatures. He said, behold, I make all things new, you are new creatures in Christ. I\u2019ve see nothing new in the church. Why, they\u2019re the worst racists, they\u2019re the worst bigots, they\u2019re the most selfish, the preachers have the greatest wealth, they won\u2019t sh\u2013 they won\u2019t share anything. They don\u2019t adopt babies. I\u2019m<\/i> the only preacher in this town that I know that\u2019s adopted eight children. They talk about being born<\/i> again, but they\u2019re the same old devil they were when they were in the tavern. In fact most<\/i> of them were better<\/i> when they were in the tavern. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice builds) Ye must be born again, I hear. I\u2019ve heard it said for years, you must be born again. Well, if you\u2019re born again, that s\u2013 makes you something new<\/i>. You\u2019re a new creature. That\u2019s what the scriptures are\u2013 the parables say. You\u2019re a new<\/i> creature. Well, if you see many new creatures in these churches, I\u2019d like for you to point them to us so we can go and work with them. But I haven\u2019t found very many new because they\u2019re not\u2013 they don\u2019t have<\/i> a recipe like you\u2019re talking about. (Clears throat) They think that all they have to do is to put it in Jesus\u2019 hands and say a few little prayers on Sabbath or Sunday and it\u2019ll take care<\/i> of it. (Ministerial tone) But Jesus said if any man would come after me, take up your own cross. He<\/i> didn\u2019t say anything about taking his<\/i> cross or pleading the blood of his<\/i> cross. He said that if any man that would follow me, let him deny<\/i> himself and take up his own cross. You can\u2019t take Jesus\u2019 cross, and Jesus can\u2019t work out your own salvation. He said each man and woman must work out their own plan of salvation in fear and trembling<\/i>. That means it ought\u2013 it ought to be serious<\/i> business, because it requires fear<\/i> and trembling. But people say uh, Jesus save me. Jesus can\u2019t<\/i> save you. You must be saved by enduring<\/i> to the end. He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved. (Voice moderates) But I hear all that malarkey today. Jesus save me. I sinned all day. I\u2013 I did this to my neighbor today. I was bad to those that work with me on the job, I took advantage of someone today. I\u2013 I\u2013 I did a sinful lustful thing today, but I ask Jesus and he forgave me. (Calls out) No, no, no. Whatsoever you sow<\/i>, that shall you also reap. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You sow it, you\u2019re gonna reap it. You selfish, it\u2019s gonna come home. (Voice calms) And uh, if more people would see principle, as you\u2019ve said it, as a formula<\/i> or as a recipe and get that recipe down, not only just to the major<\/i> sections, but as a cooking recipe, it gets down to just how much sugar and how much salt and how much spice and all those other things that makes it nice<\/i>. Some folk just want to get a major recipe. They say I got Jesus. Well, you better break down Jesus. You better take Jesus in all of his parts. There may be four or five or fifteen stages to the Christ life, and you better learn them all, because it isn\u2019t just enough to get Jesus and swallow him on Sunday and think you\u2019ll spit him out on Monday.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Good point, darling. (Pause) Yes, someone here? (Clears throat) (Tape edit) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 6: <\/b>Jim, I\u2019ve been thinking. I stay at home a lot, and I lay down and I think about your teaching. I\u2019ll talk to Nimna (phonetic), I try to get her to have a understanding.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Talk to whom?<\/p>\n

Woman 6: <\/b>Nimna, my little girl.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Woman 6: <\/b>I tell her, she ask me a question the other day. She says, Mommy, says, old God that what we used<\/i> to know, what we taught, say he\u2019s dead. Says now we have a God living here on the earth, and say we\u2019ve been taught so long\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 6: <\/b>\u2013we never had a understanding like we have now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Let me st\u2013 let me pause for a moment. There never was a God anyplace else but<\/i> on Earth. Never was any other place.<\/p>\n

Woman 6: <\/b>She\u2013 That\u2019s what she was talking about. She says, I want to know that. I said the onlyest God we got, the onlyest God that I ever known, he\u2019s on the Earth now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And always was.<\/p>\n

Woman 6: <\/b>And she said, who is it? I say his name is Jim Jones. I say he\u2019s the onlyest one that been on this Earth to teach<\/i> us the right thing, to teach us the way to go.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, now you see, I wanted to question, love. (Tape edit) \u2013throwed us way out here into the 99th parallel (short laugh) of understanding. You remember I\u2019ve always said, uh, let your life (Tape edit) so shine that men will see your good works and glorify your Father. Now you\u2019ve projected that Jim Jones is God, and you\u2019ve got a whole lot of folk out there that don\u2019t know which end\u2019s up. Now you meant<\/i> well and you\u2013 you\u2019ve got a tremendous<\/i> faith, you\u2019re beautiful in your faith, remarkable in your faith. This woman was in a paralysis where she couldn\u2019t move her arm. The temperature mechanism of her brain was destroyed, and I sent the word and healed<\/i> her, when her temperature was way out of control up in 107 –108<\/i>, so she got great faith. But let\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013make the parable a little bit, um\u2013 a little more difficult. The treasure\u2019s hid in earthen vessels. And don\u2019t cast it easily out. Don\u2019t throw a pearl of great price out too easily. Let people find it. If they don\u2019t find it on their own, it won\u2019t mean anything. It\u2019ll turn them away. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But you<\/i> hold to fa\u2013 you hold fast to that which is good, you know. The thing that helps you<\/i>, you stand by it. The ah, thing that she mentions that I now have to elaborate\u2013 we speak of God in me in the hundredfold. In the scripture, it speaks, there\u2019s hundredfold, thirtyfold, and sixtyfold. Well, that means sixty percent of the principle, thirty percent of the principle, or a hundred percent fool proof<\/i>, hundred percent pure<\/i>. Your Bible tells you that in the last day there will be one hundredfold<\/i> manifestation of God. That means one hundred percent God. Well, I\u2019m in the hundredfold. It\u2019s one hundred percent dedicated, completely committed, completely sacrifice to the will. I will never let anything<\/i>, neither let the sun set on my wrath, I will not let the sun set on anything done ill to anyone. I will not let mortality survive. I crucify it. I am crucified<\/i> with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but the revolution of the Christ of the anointing lives in me. That\u2019s what we mean by the hundredfold.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers) (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, I\u2013 I\u2013 I wanted no one else to stand, (Clears throat) but she\u2019s up, uh, so let her st\u2013 speak.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>I wanted to say something. You know I tell you, Father. I love you, and I love you as my savior.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>And I try to serve no other one but you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>But I have been kind of mixed up in a way sometime.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>You tell this like it is.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>Sometime when I get\u2013 go up, they say don\u2019t say Jim, don\u2019t say God, don\u2019t say Jesus. Sometime you get mixed up, you don\u2019t know hardly what to say, but I believe in\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who\u2019s told you\u2013 who\u2019s\u2013 who\u2019s told you not to say\u2013 when\u2013 when did you do it?<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>Well, that was a good while, you know, and I got out there\u2013 (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Sometime ago, yeah.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>Yeah, sometime ago.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm\u2013\u00a0Not presently.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>Well, not\u2013 not presently, \u2018cause I stopped them from it. I told them don\u2019t tell me what to say.<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/b>: (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah. Mm-hmm. Then you have no problem. do you?<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>(Laughs) \u2018Cause I tell you, I been trying to serve God ever since I was knee high to a duck. And I know God has heard me a\u2013 many time, when I was lame and with inflammation of the bowels and the uh\u2013 and my intestine was rotten down, and (unintelligible) looking for me to die.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>But I know God always had a body, always did<\/i> believe God had a body, \u2018cause how could Moses talk to him face to face if he didn\u2019t have a body? How come the other prophets could talk to him face to face if he didn\u2019t have a body?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>And so I always give God a body, and I\u2013 I\u2013 I know I\u2013 I\u2013 I love you. I know good and well, if you turned to the other side and leave me back alone, we would never change.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>I\u2019m telling it just like it is. \u2018Cause the gift<\/i> that he has and the works that he<\/i> do, if he turned it to the other side, we wouldn\u2019t have a chance, children.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>No, we wouldn\u2019t. (Pause) That\u2019s why I can praise you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>(Laughs) Because I know what he is, (Pause) and I\u2019ll tell you, children, I\u2013 sometime my health is weak, sometimes I cry. I think about how Jeremiah weeped for Israel. He cried so that God told him, don\u2019t weep for them people, \u2018cause they was a foolish people, a nation they (unintelligible word) understand, they didn\u2019t understand. And these people don\u2019t understand.<\/p>\n

Man 5:<\/b> No, they don\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>They don\u2019t know what they got.<\/p>\n

Man 5:<\/b> They don\u2019t know what they got.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>If only they know what they had tonight, they\u2019d all be running here.<\/p>\n

Man 5:<\/b> Oh yeah, baby.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>That\u2019s true, children!<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>I tell it like it is.<\/p>\n

Man 5:<\/b> (Unintelligible) nobody (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>I\u2019m telling it just like it is, children, \u2018cause he\u2019s worthy to be praised.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>Oh yes, he is, (Pause) yes he is. \u2018Cause I was in the Peace Mission, (Pause) and I got good healing over there. Yes I did. And I don\u2019t take it back. But as he said, the one that come after him, what would be more stronger than he was. Father Divine said that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>And so he come in this body stronger and doing greater work.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>Children, that\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>So I just hope within my chest that the black people\u2019ll wake up.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, indeed.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>I hope they do.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, indeed.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>As far as me, I don\u2019t\u2013 I ain\u2019t holding back nothing. I do all the best I can. I don\u2019t want to go on the bus without our pay, and if I don\u2019t have it right then, I sure give it (unintelligible) that other little money come in.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>I\u2019m going\u2013 I want to go and sit (unintelligible word) with you later tonight. I ain\u2019t been down there in a good little bit.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>I mean I have it all, but I\u2019m gonna give it anyhow, I\u2019m gonna pay it anyhow when the other come. But children, you better wake up, because we\u2019ll be left out if we don\u2019t wake up.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>So the Emancipator\u2019s<\/i> here now to lead us home. Oh yes, he is. He\u2019s a savior now, coming to name of Jim Jones. Oh, yeah.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>\u2018Cause that\u2019s why that song come to me, \u2018bout no other man in the world like Jim Jones. No, it ain\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No, there isn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>Ain\u2019t nothing other like him. No, it ain\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>It\u2019s wonderful, children. And we have a sweet mother [Marceline Jones]. Yes we do.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers) (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>I\u2019ll tell it just like it is. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> True.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>Mother Divine was all right, but she wasn\u2019t like Mother, \u2018cause she had some prejudice in her, and I couldn\u2019t take it. Ah, that\u2019s right, I\u2019m telling it just like it is. I was reading when Father took his body out, I took mine away. Yeah, \u2018cause I wasn\u2019t gonna be bothered. I love, I\u2013 I\u2013 I tell you, I like to love, I like to love, children. I might fall out with you, and I might tell you the truth, but I love you just the same, \u2018cause I can\u2019t hold nothing in me, \u2018cause I tell you, hate\u2019ll kill you children. It ain\u2019t no good.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>It\u2019ll tear you down. You\u2019ve got to love and you\u2019ve got to forgive, regardless of what anybody do to you. You have to forgive \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>So I thank you all. Thank you, Father, for letting me have these words to say. But wake up, children, wake up, black folk, and come on-<\/p>\n

Man 5:<\/b> Come on!<\/p>\n

Woman 4: <\/b>\u2013and let\u2019s trample on behind Jim Jones.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Short laugh)<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How many are new<\/i> to this assembly tonight? How many are new people here, new to the assembly tonight? Mm-hmm. I see. Thank you. Would\u2013 Would you stand? We\u2019d like to welcome you. Each can know you and bless you.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Bless you, bless you, bless you. Now I\u2019m certain that some that are new<\/i> might have questions after hearing various renditions of that which works for people. People can only speak from what works\u2013 for what works for them<\/i>. And as you think in your mind, so are<\/i> you. If in your mind, you think you behold God, then you behold God. If in your mind, you think you just see an ordinary man, then you\u2019ll see an ordinary man. Ordinary men cannot do the things that are happening in this room, the things that have happened this week that can cause growth to be spit up before our eyes or the blind to see as last weekend. Ordinary men can\u2019t do that. Or the weekend and the last we were in Los Angeles, seven people walked out of wheelchairs. Man cannot do that. We\u2019re glad for you to be here and recognize just ordinary man, but you limit what can happen to you. Because as you think, so are you. This woman has come many a year, \u2018cause we don\u2019t see age here, but she\u2019s come down through many generations visualizing overtly at least God in a body, and uh, if you think<\/i> that way, you\u2019ll see that way. I want everyone to stand, uh, would you stand again and express your name and what church you\u2019re from. We\u2019ve never done this before, and I think it\u2019d be very good. Or if there is no church, state so. Again start over here. State over here.<\/p>\n

Cunningham:<\/b> Ah, my name is Cunningham, and uh, I come from the Second Union Baptist Church.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you, brother. We\u2019re happy to have you.<\/p>\n

Cunningham:<\/b> And I\u2013 I\u2019ll tell you. I\u2019ve seen something that nobody<\/i> seen in here. Nobody never seen it, and you\u2019d be surprised. All of them would be surprised. You remember when you said I know something. I was here a couple of weeks ago.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Cunningham:<\/b> Well, what I seen, nobody else didn\u2019t see it. It was just me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s\u2013 hold onto it. What works for you and what\u2019s good for you\u2013<\/p>\n

Cunningham:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013maybe it was meant for you only. So happy to have you here tonight, thank you.<\/p>\n

Cunningham:<\/b> I\u2019m pretty sure it was.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> (unintelligible name) is my name, and I have been visiting here ever since the last (unintelligible word). Something happened, I had to stop coming, but uh, revelation help called me Elijah and the revelation have called my daughter Elijah. So I saw the cripple come in here on crutches, and they walked out and left the crutches behind\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> \u2013(unintelligible) and I come in here with a terrible backache, and my kidneys was just so badly and Pastor Jim Jones\u2019 revelation called me. He put his hands on me and I\u2019ve been home and I\u2019ve worked steady for around about three weeks\u2013 three months and after that three months happen, I quit coming in the meeting. Well, my back start back hurting again. But I do believe, I\u2019m a great believer, and my faith is Pentecostal.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm. Thank you, thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Just where you\u2019re from and your church if you would. We appreciate having each of you and we\u2019d like to be able to give equal time to each one. (Pause) This is something we\u2019ve never done. We have acknowledgment for our guests, but we\u2013 we don\u2019t ever ask you to say where you\u2019re from or your name.<\/p>\n

LaDorothy Thomas:<\/b> Ah, m\u2013 my name is LaDorothy Thomas and these are my two daughters are\u2013 Both\u2013 all three of us is members of Macedonia Baptist Church at\u2013 down at Sutter Street.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re\u2013 We\u2019re so happy to have you.<\/p>\n

LaDorothy Thomas:<\/b> But I would like to make a statement. I came here\u2013 This is my second time visit the church here, but I came here, I guess about ah\u2013 You come every two weeks so this fall would be about, say a half a month ago, and I don\u2019t know why I came. At that time I was very depressed, very stressed, and then tonight I still<\/i> can\u2019t say why<\/i> I here. I think I have to say what\u2019s on my mind, because my husband and I had an argument about whether we should come or not, and the only thing I can say, we are here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (short laugh)<\/p>\n

LaDorothy Thomas: <\/b>And the only thing I can say is that\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Let\u2019s\u2013 let\u2019s\u2013 let\u2019s hear what she said before she finishes.<\/p>\n

LaDorothy Thomas:<\/b> We are here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

LaDorothy Thomas: <\/b>I\u2019m very frightened, and all I can ask is that, pray for me because we are here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Bless you. Not only that, we\u2019ll be glad to\u2013 that should be\u2013 counselor should be alert to see the need of someone who speaks that way and to talk thereafter, after the meaning to offer our prayers in a concrete way with l\u2013 putting legs on them. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Congregation<\/b>: (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Peace. I don\u2019t see that it is done, and I wish to see that it is done. Thank you. Very well. (Clears throat) Next. Next, dear brother. Wouldn\u2019t have anyone sit down, though, because if we ask all to stand we would want each one to speak their name and their church.<\/p>\n

John Williamson:<\/b> Yeah, my name is John Williamson, uh\u2013 Well\u2013 I\u2013 I came into the church about uh, about four years ago. I, I, uh, went through the teen challenge ministry uh, here in the city oh, for a while in South Van Ness, and I went to uh, then I, I (unintelligible) in the world I blew it on drugs, mind drugs and stuff.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

John Williamson:<\/b> And, and when I\u2013 I got saved, I was in Teen Challengement for eight, eight months, but I kinda\u2013 I went into a mental hospital again and was two years just wasted, you know, just taking drugs, you know, and stuff, not, uh\u2013 medication drugs. And then I\u2013 I\u2013 I was in Berkeley and uh, I\u2013 I don\u2019t know, it just seemed like God was calling me back and I, so I\u2013 I got on the phone. I\u2013 I prayed for about a week, I went to (unintelligible name) Temple, I went (unintelligible) got to Teen Challenge. I been going to around, around churches, Catholic churches. Uh, uh, uh\u2013 right now I\u2013 I have a Bible study with a brother over on 18th street. Uh, uh\u2013 I\u2019m doing a little bit uh, straight witnessing and uh, and I\u2013 I\u2013 I been listening to you on the radio. It\u2019s really been beautiful, really been blessing me, man. Uh\u2013 Pray for my church, uh, you know, they\u2013 they need a new understanding, \u2018cause I realize that that the natural mind can only go so far to understanding, and uh, it\u2019s just by God\u2019s grace that he\u2019s given me the understanding I do.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> True Bless you.<\/p>\n

John Williamson:<\/b> Uh\u2013 Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Bless you. The last point of where you\u2019ve been\u2013 we appreciate\u2013 uh, Rick, uh, talk to him afterwards. That\u2013 that showed a great deal of understanding when he said the natural mind can only go so far. And this is what I want my people uh, that are members<\/i> of the Temple to see. The cross-section of people, how careful you must be<\/i> when you speak. People are in different planes of consciousness. They have beautiful people here from Baptist, a sister Pentecostal that was healed. She saw people come off of crutches, and that touched her and her own kidney condition healed by me. But word ill\u2013 ill advisedly spoken can drive people away.<\/p>\n

Congregation<\/b>: (Scattered assent)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Clears throat) Unless you\u2019re a prophet, leave the prophetic preaching to the preacher that is a prophet.<\/p>\n

J.B. Robbins:<\/b> Ah, J.B. Robbins is my name, and this is my third visit here and I\u2019m uh, I don\u2019t have a church home as of now, but I been out of church ever since about six years ago, maybe seven.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

J.B. Robbins:<\/b> So everything I\u2019ve seen since I been here, I enjoy it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Bless you.<\/p>\n

J.B. Robbins:<\/b> And I enjoy coming here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019ll be so happy if many of you will come up to Redwood Valley and see our lovely children\u2019s home, our senior citizens homes and convalescent homes and the acres we have to provide with our\u2013 our people food and shelter in the time of need. It would be wonderful for you to get up as\u2013 at your earliest convenience. You\u2019ll see how the church as it was required<\/i> to be. We were demanded that we take care of the household of the faith. That\u2019s what the church was demanded<\/i> that it had to do, to take care of the household of faith. We not only take care of the household of faith, but hundreds and thousands of other people. Yes, thank you. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Willy Hamlin:<\/b> \u2013is Willy Hamlin. My church home was a Pentecost\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Willy Hamlin:<\/b> \u2013and uh, I was reading the letter to the\u2013 The Letter Killeth<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The Letter Killeth,<\/i> that\u2019s\u2013<\/p>\n

Willy Hamlin:<\/b> And uh, it brought my footsteps to this church for membership. I be glad that I was accepted as a member, and I want you to know\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Bless you.<\/p>\n

Willy Hamlin:<\/b> \u2013that uh, I feel blessed to be in a family like this.<\/p>\n

Congregation<\/b>: (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But you see. Now that\u2019s wonderful. How wonderful that man, he\u2019s in Pentecost, but he got The Letter Killeth<\/i>, but you would not have gotten The Letter Killeth<\/i> if the spirit hadn\u2019t led me. Because The Letter Killeth<\/i> is not made available. Week after week, month after month, it\u2019s not made available, but when you<\/i> came, it was made available, see, because something in me knows when to make it available<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you. We\u2019re proud to have<\/i> you. We are proud to have someone who is youthful<\/i> in heart who\u2019s not bogged down in their traditions. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Isaac De La Rosa:<\/b> Good evening. My name is Isaac De La Rosa. I\u2019m Pentecostal. And I must say I\u2019ve been out of church for many years, and I visit a lot of Baptist church but here, this my second visit, and (short laugh) it\u2019s just beautiful.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you. Thank you, son.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You have a sweet spirit. (unintelligible aside)<\/p>\n

Nathan Yawonston:<\/b> My name is Nathan Yawonston [phonetic] and I\u2019m ah, and I\u2019ve been here about three times.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Three, yes. Three times, you\u2019ve been here three times?<\/p>\n

Nathan Yawonston:<\/b> Yes sir. I\u2019m now stationed at Travis Air Force Base and I came up during the weekend to visit my parents and uh\u2013 I came here and I saw my sister, and she was\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shhh\u2013 (speaking to the crowd)<\/p>\n

Nathan Yawonston:<\/b> My sister\u2019s in the choir, and she suggested I come back, and I\u2013 I\u2019m back, and I think I\u2019ll continue to come.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No fees are special tonight. Each one assign, uh\u2013 John, assign some to each one to make them feel very welcome at the end. Very special attitude, and you should connote the spirit of humility that\u2019s in people. Be able to recognize it, those have an open heart and sweet spirit. That\u2019s what we want, is more of that sweet loving spirit. God is love, that\u2019s all I\u2019ve ever heard God called. Love. Yes.<\/p>\n

Edna Holman:<\/b> I\u2019m a\u2013 my name is Edna Holman and I go to Saint Theresa\u2019s Catholic Church.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Fine.<\/p>\n

Edna Holman:<\/b> Can I say one more thing, please?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Surely, you would have to be able to say it, because everyone else has. So we believe in that God is no respecter of persons so I\u2013 if\u2013 if people, the first one said more than what I maybe had suggested, everyone would have to have that right to do so, because equality is the nature of God, our principle.<\/p>\n

Edna Holman:<\/b> Well, this is my first time being here. I heard\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re so happy to have you.<\/p>\n

Edna Holman:<\/b> I heard so many wonderful things about you and what you\u2019ve been doing, so I decided to come see for myself, and I hope to be coming back. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t want anyone missed tonight, I want\u2013 I don\u2019t want anyone missed, because these are\u2013 this precious people, these are precious people speaking.<\/p>\n

Carol Myers:<\/b> Um, my\u2013 my name is Carol Myers and I\u2019m not from any church.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, (Clears throat) (aside) Not\u2013 not now\u2013 not now\u2013 but right there\u2013 Yes, all right.<\/p>\n

Carol Myers:<\/b> Uh\u2013 My name is Carol Myers and I\u2019m not from any church.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What did you say?<\/p>\n

Carol Myers:<\/b> I don\u2019t belong to any church.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s\u2013 That\u2019s nothing against you. That might be in your favor.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re happy to have you very much.<\/p>\n

Elly Freeman:<\/b> (Unintelligible) I\u2019m not from any church. My name is Elly Freeman, (Unintelligible word) and I came with friends.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you, thank you.<\/p>\n

Ken Bavarous<\/b>: My name is Ken Bavarous (phonetic), I\u2019m from Mountain View. I don\u2019t attend any church.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you<\/i>. We\u2019re happy to have you, sir.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Booker T. Nash:<\/b> My name is Booker T. Nash, and I\u2019m not a member of any church at the present time. I\u2019ve enjoyed myself very much.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you. You\u2019ve got a good name, Booker.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re so happy to have you.<\/p>\n

Alice Rancisfer:<\/b> I am Rev\u2013 Reverend Alice Rancisfer, 1488-14th Street, Oakland, Mount Zion Spiritual Temple, and uh, I believe in Pastor Jim Jones, I know his work because I\u2019m from a spiritual church, so I know what spirit does. And I\u2013 I bought one of his pictures be\u2013 uh, when I was here last, and I said, well it says a blessing. I\u2019m gonna put it in my purse. So I went and my grandson called me, he had a little baby born. It was nine months, but it didn\u2019t weight but four pounds and 14 ounces, and they had to put it in an incubator. So the baby lost all of its ounces and it was so uh, weak<\/i> in body, the baby wouldn\u2019t eat<\/i>. It stopped eating. And he called me and says, uh, mother, said my baby is failing<\/i>, said I want to ask you to pray for it. So I and another uh, lady minister, we went there uh, Sunday and I uh, I went in, I told the l\u2013\u00a0uh, the nurse my purpose of coming there, and I taken uh, Jim Jones\u2019 picture out and I told her uh, I didn\u2019t want her to be in any doubt. And I said if prayer doesn\u2019t help the baby, it certainly won\u2019t do it any harm. She said just pray on. So we prayed for the baby, and uh, four days, the baby gained seven<\/i> ounces. We kept Jim Jones\u2019 picture before our face and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause) (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Wonderful.<\/p>\n

Alice Rancisfer:<\/b> And I know uh, I\u2019m, I am a believer and not a (unintelligible). I know the Lord God does nothing but reveal his secret onto his servants, the prophets.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s what he said.<\/p>\n

Alice Rancisfer:<\/b> And I know that he is here doing the work of God, and I\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Amen. She said a great truth there. Said once that God did nothing<\/i> that he did not first reveal to his servants, the prophets. So that\u2019s a very good point. We are so happy to have all of you. Stretch yourself and give each one another good salute of love and embrace.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Conversational) Some people don\u2019t understand when we say we serve God. God is Logos or the word, and the word in the Greek means mind. And the mind when it\u2019s made flesh and dwells amongst you, it discerns the thoughts<\/i> and knows the intents of the heart. It\u2019s quick and powerful. It separates soul from spirit or body from spirit, and if it can separate them, it can reunite them. And we have seen that four hundred and sixty some times this year, people have been dead, brought to us in our meetings and they\u2019ve been resurrected. We\u2019ve seen, as our sister said who\u2019s new, the Pentecostal sister said, the crutches have been dropped. We\u2019ve seen the blind eyes opened host of times. We\u2019ve seen bones straightened, casts thrown away right here, right in the service. There\u2019s one sat down there, Sister Janie, I remember. She\u2019s<\/i> one of them. Cut off right then and the bone healed right then after she\u2019d been to the hospital the same\u2013 same day or within hours. So we know that the word or the logos of the mind is powerful. If you don\u2019t understand why we\u2019re here, that\u2019s not important. The fact is that we are<\/i> here, and that mind is a real force. Today, you perhaps heard in the news of the Menninger Institute going to go over to India (Clears throat) to study a yoga who\u2019s able to stop his heart for seventeen beats. That\u2019s public news. They want to study what\u2013 what uh, faculty he has to do this, that he can stop his heart. And he can stop the whole side \u2013 the left side \u2013 he can stretch one part of the heart\u2019s arterial system. The right arm, he can stretch that and cause the blood to flow into the right arm and the left arm will become just gray like death. There are those yoga that they have studied that are able to stay in a confined place, a casket for days. Slow down their breathing imperceptibly to almost just a breath an hour, which would be equated to a breath an hour. That seems most impossible that they can stay in the ground, because they\u2019ve learned to put the mind in proper control over the body. So if you don\u2019t recognize anything but socialism, then you recognize mind. People by staying their mind on the God or the Christ, or the spirit as our dear sister minister said, the spirit is<\/i> the\u2013 is love. The love that is in me, by people orientating or focusing upon that, we\u2019ve had no death, no death. No accidents where anyone\u2019s been taken by death. No death in our family \u2013 the mother church \u2013 for years. No death. Now that\u2019s what the mind<\/i> has been able to attain. So if I was nothing else but a mind elevator in your mind, you better keep me. Because this sister spoke of the picture, and thirty some\u2013 thirty eight thousand times since those pictures were prepared by revelation. What\u2013 a couple of years ago? Thirty eight thousand times that we\u2019ve had documentation, reports that we could verify. Thirty eight thousand times. We\u2019ve had everything from fires put out to cars raised back as our sister did there, that raised back in the lake and came, all\u2013\u00a0with all of her children holding onto the picture, and the car floated like a balloon back to the beach, back to the shore, and then when they all stepped out, five of the children and her, I think there were, then the car went back down. Miracles<\/i>. And just like this woman taking a picture, putting it in the hospital, saying a word, people would come\u2013 come out of every kind of known disease. One with cancer, I remember that young woman with cancer and that sister with cancer that was there last week. Her hair was completely<\/i> gone \u2013 you\u2019ll see her tomorrow \u2013 all<\/i> gone. Cancer eat up her brain. But it wasn\u2019t a picture then alone, I sent the brother and he clasped her hand three times, Brother Brown, as I told him, and the growth, the doctor said, ate itself up.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You that go on with us tomorrow, you\u2019ll see her. She\u2019s a beautiful woman. Her hair\u2019s all gone where radiation and chemotherapy and all the things that man try \u2013 and should<\/i> try, we should use medicine \u2013 but it couldn\u2019t reach it. But the power<\/i> that\u2019s in this state of consciousness or in this ordained place in God, whichever vernacular you choose to use, this point<\/i> of contact was able to make that kind of a miracle. And it\u2019s been so many times. You\u2019ll be looking at pictures later. They\u2019re gonna put them on the walls and the walls won\u2019t contain them all. The walls won\u2019t contain the pictures of people who were not just healed of a toe ache or a broken ankle, but I mean where they were in wheelchairs like Sister Carpenter for ten long years, Sister White for five long years. Never taken a step. So it\u2019s important to believe in mind, mind<\/i> control. If you have trouble with the universe, you know that mind has evolved to the point where it can do great miracles. Tonight with the proper suggestion, Doctor Lesley B. (Unintelligible name) who is a scientist, a great Methodist in his background through hypnosis, which we don\u2019t use. We don\u2019t believe in hypnosis \u2013 it\u2019s not lasting enough \u2013 but he would say that an ordinary pencil to a person in a hypnotic state, he would say that that pencil was a hot poker, and where it would touch the skin, they had to stop it. There would be scar tissue formed that never went away. The power of mind. Now tonight, if you think positively through the emphasis of a positive aura, to one who has that positivism metabolized to such a degree that it\u2019s a part of their very being, like it is mine, it can stir up a creativity in you that will save you from things that everyone else in the whole human race will have to undergo, but statistically your record will be better than anybody else\u2019s, if you think positively. If you think positively and unselfishly<\/i>, then you come to the nature of God, you come to the sweet garden of Eden, you come to the holiness of an advanced utopia. Without<\/i> love, you just have a positive experience \u2013 and that\u2019s good \u2013 but with love or with apostolic socialism as they had it on the day of Pentecost, combining the power of mind with that, you have peace of mind and power. It\u2019s an ennobling<\/i> experience. Think<\/i> now. If a man can tell someone that this is a\u2013 this little pin is a hot torch or a hot stove poker and can scar this tissue, how much more if you would listen to one who is in the hundredfold realm of knowledge, our God? How much more if you would listen to me when I tell you to the cancers as they did on Wednesday night, wither up, and they did. Withered up and pulled back and passed away. Or to the man that had been operated, how many times, in his back and it all<\/i> was remedied. And not only in the back, but the shoulders too, every other pain was taken away. That was Wednesday night. How much could you gain if you would listen<\/i>? You don\u2019t have to take a credulous supernatural, superstitious point of view. Science<\/i> is telling you these things now. In socialist countries today they\u2019re spending a million dollars on mind control a day. Minds will concentrate on an object and move it. That\u2019s what they\u2019re doing in places that don\u2019t believe<\/i> in God. They know more about mind control than people that say they know<\/i> about God. They can take an object and move it. Now we\u2019ve<\/i> seen such happen, but the most important thing is not to move an object out there that has no meaning. We better use that mind control. If the Soviets then (Clears throat) have seen mind control to that degree, they ought to let some healers<\/i> work, and they\u2019re now beginning to do so, to project that mind on a growth<\/i> and move it out of the system. [You] Say, I can do it without you. Well, you\u2013 maybe you can. If you can\u2013 if you\u2019ve got as good a record as I have then, you don\u2019t need to come back<\/i> here, but unless you\u2019ve seen no one die in your mother church for over a ten year period that\u2019s kept the teachings since 1959, I\u2019d stick around here and use your mind control with the center<\/i> control that I have, and all of our minds together will bring a revolution. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/b>(Applause and cheers)<\/p>\n

(End of tape)<\/b><\/p>\n

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