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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/b> (Hoarse voice, but ministerial fervor) \u2014may say, time has come for us to stop worrying<\/i>, because some of us worry about dying, every<\/i> day, and you could only die once<\/i>, so let us cease<\/i> from our worryings, and lay aside all<\/i> these heavy weights that have held us back, and go forward with me. I\u2019m going to speak absolutely more and more, and tell you of the assurance<\/i> of wherein I stand and wherein I speak, for I know<\/i> where I am going, better than anybody in the universe.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I am saying to the world, damn<\/i> the torpedoes of capitalism, their newspapers. Damn<\/i> the torpedoes of religious systems that will try to put our light out. Damn<\/i> their jails. Damn<\/i> their assassin bullets. Damn<\/i> whatever torpedo they have. I say, full speed ahead<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We can only go to jail once<\/i>, we can only go to the electric chair once, and I\u2019m going to tell you, I have no intention<\/i> to take you through an electric chair or a gas chamber. I\u2019m going to bring you through victorious<\/i> in life<\/i> and victorious in the best of the great transition. I will have my way. (Voice moderates, then builds throughout) Spirits of God, body of God Socialism. So you just look out. We\u2019re going to be absolutely much more determined. I\u2019ve been too humble. I\u2019ve held back, trying to see others go forward, looking for someone to stand in the gap of the hedge. I have tried to reduce myself as a person, but there\u2019s no way that you can reduce the center and circumference of the universe. I am the only fully socialist. I am the only fully God. So I\u2019m now on the scene. I\u2019m going to project<\/i> myself, I\u2019m going to push<\/i> myself, I\u2019m going to declare myself.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice moderates, then becomes intense) And if you can\u2019t stand the heat, as Harry Truman said, you better get out of the kitchen, because I\u2019m going to stir up more fires than you have ever seen in all your life. I\u2019m going to stir up more tornadoes than you have ever heard of. I\u2019m going to establish a hurricane<\/i>. I\u2019m going to shake the whole nation with my spirit and my mind socialism, I\u2019m going to shake<\/i> the whole creation.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Hoarsely, voice builds throughout) Everything we do will be radical. Ever step we do will be radical. Every time they oppose us, we\u2019ll be like a bunch of wild cats on a hot tin roof, every time they touch us, we\u2019re going to fight<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We\u2019ve had plenty of heat. We\u2019ve had plenty of warmth. We\u2019ve had the love of each other. We\u2019ve seen our beautiful children. We\u2019ve looked upon the faces of a thousand angels, or who\u2014 I shook hands with over thirteen hundred people today before I\u2014 and the staff quit counting. So we have hundreds of beautiful things that\u2019ve come to our life. We\u2019ve eaten the best of food<\/i>. We\u2019ve had the loveliest trips<\/i>. We\u2019ve taken vacations down to the ocean of Mexico and up into the wilds of Canada, so now, child, we\u2019ve had our moment. We don\u2019t care what you give us. You better look out, because when you come to attack us or oppose us, we\u2019re going to fight like hell<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Sustained cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You\u2019ve been concerned about the Black Panthers and the White Panthers, but we\u2019re going to be more than the Black Panthers, White Panthers, Green Panthers and Red Panthers all wrapped up in one. (Black ministerial tone). Look out, injustice, wherever you are. Look out, old landlords and capitalist class, whoever you oppress, whether it be in Wounded Knee or Harlem, whether it be in Madison Avenue or in Watts, look out<\/i>, child.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Wherever someone is hungry, wherever someone\u2019s impoverished, wherever someone faces jail sentences, wherever my people are in prison, look out<\/i>, because I\u2019m going to shake<\/i> the jails, I\u2019m going to shake<\/i> the creation.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Voice lowers, intensifies throughout) And this is avant-garde, the advance class, and we\u2019re going to move forward. There is no way to look back. Put blinders on now, quit letting your thoughts bother you, intellectualism is the greatest defeating force, don\u2019t let your own mind of self-preservation try to destroy you. Don\u2019t think about what will happen if you venture for faith. You know this faith is right<\/i>. You know it is God<\/i>, and you know it is beautiful<\/i>, so don\u2019t take any thought<\/i> for tomorrow, take no thought for what you shall wear, take no thought for you shall put on. I have commanded you in the Sonship degree, to go into the prisons and bring them out. I have commanded you to feed the hungry, I have commanded to give water to the thirsty, I have commanded you to let the captives go free, I have commanded you to fight against capitalism from the beginning of time, and now I say, put your blinders on and go forward.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Spirit. (Pause) (Conversational) Remember the beautiful things we\u2019ve shared. Remember the tender kisses and the warmth we\u2019ve had for each other. Remember that we\u2019ve loved like none have loved. And we\u2019ve known the beauty, the beauty of honesty and sincerity as none others have known it. So now, having all that treasure hid in earthen vessels, we\u2019re able to proceed in a high vibration. So don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0don\u2019t consider that things are going to be easy, but they\u2019re not going to be boring. From this time forward, it\u2019ll not be boring. Because we\u2019re not going to wait for our enemies to come to us. We\u2019re going to go and shake their<\/i> nest.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Sustained cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Single voice sings<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>When I was once a basketball star, I never liked to be on the defensive. It was always bad to let a team take the offensive. But when I would take the offensive and move forward as a forward and dribble about, and get just that certain sense of drive and perspective for that silly little game, I could win games one after another, hardly would ever lose a game, when I was on the offensive, and we\u2019d been waiting for our enemies always to make their move, now enemies, (hushed tone) watch out, watch out.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause. Whistling.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Sings) (Hymn) Let God, let God arise and his enemies be scattered, Let God, let God arise and his enemies be scattered, Let God, let God arise and his enemies be scattered, Let God arise in the earth. Oh, now let\u2014 (tape edit) (Speaks in conversational tone) \u2014for picketing on the behalf of someone that is being oppressed, not in our group, but we are fastly seeing them come to our group, and we want you to do whatever you\u2019re bidded to do. We have not been emphasizing overly<\/i> much the physical healing today, although one woman with a hand that was like this was healed, another woman danced that was paralyzed on her side\u2014<\/p>\n

Single voice:<\/b> Yes, yes\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What a glorious<\/i> witness to see her dance and move that arm that was crippled, and the man there at the door that couldn\u2019t even raise<\/i> his right hand, raised it. It was marvelous to see the cancer healed of the brother back there, that sets in the back row, of prostate, it was so wonderful<\/i> to see those things. Now we want to heal the cancers of mind, the cancers that have oppressed us oh, all too long. I will say that I wish Sister Bryant, the cloth be placed by words she has written someplace, that she is a soldier in the army of God, \u2018cause I raised her from the dead. Her pulse was gone, her heart was gone, and I\u2019ve got to keep that heart (unintelligible word). Where is that? Where is this woman? (Clears throat) Place it on the chest, and place it, as I said, by the words<\/i>. And she must speak to Sister Mary Levine. (Pause) And tell her of this truth<\/i>, and that\u2019ll take care of it. She was dead today, and I brought her back.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Slight applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hands clasped.<\/p>\n

Organ plays<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Someone that knows a Sharon Keesling [phonetic]. Who is it knows Sharon Keesling<\/i> in this house? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> I do.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>All right. (Pause) This cloth must be placed on you<\/i>. Now the time has come for you to join<\/i> us, socialist comrade. And get in fully, we need you, because this<\/i> has saved your life, that cloth being on your body will save you from a tragic accident. Keep it now.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Sings) Let God\u2014 (Conversational) You know\u2014 You know you\u2019ve no\u2014\u00a0told me nothing of your affairs. You\u2019ve told no one of this lady, have you? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Sharon.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes. So just like\u2014 One little thing, \u2018cause I don\u2019t have to give you much. The Principle is the most important. Just keep the Principle uppermost in your mind.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Pause, then cheers and applause. Organ plays<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Sings) Let God\u2014\u00a0and his enemies be scattered, Let God arise and his enemies be scattered, Let God arise and his enemies be scattered, Let God arise in the earth. Oh, Let God, let God arise and his enemies be scattered, Let God, let God arise and his enemies be scattered, Let God, let God arise and his enemies be scattered, Let God arise in the earth, Oh\u2014<\/p>\n

Another male sings<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018S all right\u2014\u00a0(sings) and his enemies be scattered\u2014 (Tape edit) (Conversational) \u2014that I call James, just also give a message of this truth to Janice about socialism, and let it\u2014\u00a0let it fall where it will. (Pause) Did you hear what I said? Yes. Umm-hmm. (Pause) What? That\u2019s another one. I\u2019m telling you another one. I know Sharon Keesling, I know that. But I\u2019m telling you another now. (Pause) Our hands\u2014\u00a0Just keep on standing. Don\u2019t move. Don\u2019t move. When you\u2019re standing in a position, don\u2019t move. Who lives on Denker, 9450 Denker? (Pause) (Clears throat) 9450 Denker Street. Hands clasped. Hands clasped. (Pause) Hands clasped. Everyone reaching out in faith. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Do you know a Gertrude Mitchell? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yes, I do. (unintelligible as Jones speaks over her)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She had a\u2014\u00a0she had a cancer of the throat.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yes. She\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She had a patient she dealt with who had a cancer of the throat.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> This entire family died of cancer.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yes. She\u2019s\u2014\u00a0she\u2019s my aunt. My husband\u2019s aunt.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2014 Yes, I know. This person was in the hospital three days before he died. He asked [for] candy from Gertrude.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Oh, yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She went and got some and returned and found him dead.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I want to give you the faith that you could have. Eight years ago<\/i>, you were s\u2014 paralyzed by stroke and you have had that condition\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yes, yes\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I want you to live on it, eight long years ago. I know nothing of your life.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019ve lived in Los Angeles for 26 years.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yes, I have.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You were born in Minden, Louisiana\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> That\u2019s right, Father\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thirty miles on the other side of Shreveport.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2014 You have no children.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Your husband [is] a foreman in the shipyards at San Pablo, and have worked there for 25 years. Yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> San Pedro. Yes, yes, yes, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm. He has two hundred and two people working under him, or had\u2014 name is Cliff or something like that, I think, they called him on the job.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yes. Yes. Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, my child, I\u2019ve given you this. You\u2019ve had\u2014\u00a0You got trouble in your own<\/i> throat. You\u2019re unable to walk with this stroke. I want you now\u2014\u00a0(Enthusiastic) I want you now to bolt out of there. Bolt<\/i> out there. Go! Go! Spirit! Spirit of God! Go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go Spirit. Go! The Spirit of God. Spirit of God.<\/p>\n

Singing<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Sings) Spirit of the consciousness, of the presence of God. He is the source of all (unintelligible word). He can and he will\u2014 (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

(Silence for several seconds)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014just as normal as she has, the first time in eight years today, and I want her to keep<\/i> it, I want her to keep it. Do you hear me? We\u2019re going to be determined now. We\u2019ve seen too much. (Pause) We\u2019ve done this time and again. We\u2019ve crippled [delivered] the paralyzed\u2014 We\u2019ve crippled [delivered] those that were paralyzed with fear, and we\u2019ve le\u2014 delivered those that were crippled from the paralysis of capitalism, we\u2019ve lifted those that were bound<\/i> by the capitalist, and we\u2019ve set them free to be healed. We\u2019ve done this too many times. We can unseat the oppressors. I said, we can unseat<\/i> the oppressors. (Pause) Good God. Just spit that growth out, and know that the god of your salvation has come. (Sings) He can, and he will, and he actually does, Satisfy every good desire. Don\u2019t you know the spirit of the consciousness, of the presence of God, is the soul (unintelligible phrase) (tape fades, then edit)<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (could be Jones at slower tape speed) \u2014praising people, look at her, wandering around there, shaking hands with people, hugging them.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> There\u2019s the cancer that she spit up. I want to tell you. Wear everything you\u2019ve got as a loose garment. If I\u2019ve given you houses, wear them loosely. If I\u2019ve given you cars, if I\u2019ve given you communes, businesses, all of our beautiful things, wear them loosely, because the only people that can have real peace are those that are free to take on the battle<\/i> at any moment for a (unintelligible)\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman sings<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calls out) So wear the world as a loose<\/i> garment. Wear this old rotten<\/i> stench-ridden racist America as a loose<\/i> garment. Don\u2019t be afraid to walk out in the street. And if they want to start something, to be able to finish it right tonight.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause and cheers<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Spirit<\/i>! (Pause) Now you see, that makes your blood<\/i> feel better. That makes your lungs<\/i> feel better. That makes your heart<\/i> feel better. That makes your mind<\/i> free. Spirit. Living is a dull business, if you\u2019re going to live it like a scared rabbit. Living is a dull business, if you\u2019re going to run scared like a rabbit. But if you\u2019re gonna be free<\/i>, free as a great deer, free as one of those that\u2019ll run right out in the face of their enemy, and look at him, at least you\u2019re free for the moment, so be free and enjoy this great salvation. Enjoy the honesty of (unintelligible word\u2014 “for witness”?) socialism. Spirit of God, Mind of God. You look at her. Eight long years, paralyzed. Eight yong lears [long years]. Look at her getting around. Eight long years. You better praise. You better praise.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

One man:<\/b> Thank you. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So glad. So<\/i> glad, God almighty. So<\/i> glad, God almighty. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.<\/p>\n

One man:<\/b> Praise his name. Hallelujah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Think about that. You never saw a man that could speak out to a woman eight years and say, bolt<\/i> out of there. I think I said, Bolt<\/i>. I think I said, Bolt<\/i> out of there. Though she was paralyzed. (Quieter) You\u2019ve never seen a man could do that? Then is it too much to ask from you to get out of those old churches? Stay out of them? You\u2019re committing adultery<\/i> when you do that to me. You\u2019re breaking my heart, because they\u2019ve crucified me. They\u2019re the ones that would nail me to the cross. Don\u2019t ever do it. Look at her, how beautiful, getting around. Look at that hand, straightened out now. That hand was all paralyzed too. Good God, good God, good God, good God, good God, good God, good God, good God.<\/p>\n

Singing<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Sings) I\u2019m a Socialist today, (unintelligible word)\u2014 I\u2019m a Socialist today, I\u2019m a Socialist all the way\u2014<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (Sings) I\u2019m a Socialist today, and I\u2019m glad (fades). I\u2019m a Socialist today, and I\u2019m glad. I\u2019m a Socialist today, and I\u2019m glad. (tape edit) (Singing and trumpet)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Singing) What a socialist father we have, what a socialist father we have, well, we were out in this world when our father brought us in, what a socialist father we have. What a socialist father we have. I said, what a socialist father we have, what a socialist father we have, we were out in this world when our father brought us in, what a socialist father we have. What a socialist father we have\u2014<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014dancing that was dead. I see the sister, broken leg out there, dancing. See the sister over here dancing on my right that was dead. Dancing like school<\/i> children. What you talking about? What are you talking about?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s been so mighty. It\u2019s been so mighty. It\u2019s been so mighty. I wonder if this day could be any better. Couldn\u2019t<\/i> have been any better. But we\u2019re going to make them better and better.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause. Organ.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Thank you. Thank you. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause. Organ.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019re welcome.<\/p>\n

Woman screaming in ecstasy. Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Bless you, darling. Bless you. Can\u2019t help but get turned on to socialism every now and them.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Good God. Good God. Good God. Good God. Hey! Hallelujah, hallelujah. So<\/i> glad. So glad. (Pause) (Conversational) I\u2019ll meet you down the stairs, I\u2019m going to ask you, rather than take up any time with this joyous occasion, each of you will have your o\u2014 offering in hand, a special love offering at the end<\/i> of the day. I\u2019m going to be at the stairs to again minister to you, not<\/i> to receive the offering \u2014 that\u2019s important that we have our funds \u2014 but that\u2019s not the reason. I want to give you plenty of energy for tomorrow. So if I don\u2019t mind shaking hands with several hundred and over a thousand, thirteen hundred that we counted this morning, and then we quit counting, certainly you<\/i> can shake my hand. It may delay things a little bit. It\u2019s only now twenty of nine. They will come up, I suppose, take care of transportation and uh, housing at the same time. Not housing, that\u2019s over with. Just a little bit of transportation. So the housing problem\u2019s over. Remember, Wednesday night I have a very special film. Don\u2019t move<\/i>. No one move out now. I have a very special film that I wish you to see. Midweek service in Redwood Valley, make your plans to go on with us, as many as possible. I\u2019m looking, and I want others to notice who participates<\/i> in these meetings and those that never<\/i> go abroad with us to\u2014 or our precious Los Angeles assembly, and those that stay outside so frequently, out in the hi\u2014 aisles and the halls. I looked out and saw people playing with a dog out the window. I can always know where you are. And I watch where you go and talk to you, and I think it\u2019s important that all of us get in<\/i> these days, to be a solid<\/i> united front, solid family, a working family, that\u2014 that we can be able to be prepared. We got a big adventure starting tomorrow. As I said, if you\u2019re contacted about picketing, you do it. I have instructed it. We\u2019re going to go forward<\/i>, we\u2019re going to take on the issues. We\u2019re not going to let them<\/i> pick the issues, we\u2019re<\/i> going to pick the issues.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So I\u2019m asking everyone, some of you that could give five, ten or twenty, or even a hundred<\/i>, please do it tonight. We need it. It\u2019s the uh,\u00a0short end that way financially, but it\u2019s not short any other way. And we\u2019re sure that every one of you will give at least a dollar. We\u2019re trusting that. As we come down. Greet everyone with a holy kiss now, as I would kiss each of you, if I could, because I love you with all of my soul. (Pause) So glad. See you downstairs.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (unintelligible exclamation) Hold it for\u2014\u00a0(tape edit)<\/p>\n

(Pause for several seconds)<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

<\/a>Part 2:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014who couldn\u2019t even set up at two years of age from starvation. My son Lew [Jones] is now a fine young man, in school, and a gentle<\/i> man, a gentle, good<\/i> little boy. Ga\u2014 a young man, though, he\u2019s not a little boy anymore. He had nothing but rice<\/i> water from the time he was born. And little leafy vegetable, the leafy leaves off of some vines, until he was 18 months of age. Tonight across the world, Sister [Marceline] Jones, as you know, the mother of this church \u2014\u00a0and you\u2019ll do a disservice when you don\u2019t come to her meetings \u2014 she has great power, faith, because she was an invalid, would never have been able to walk again, till she gave up that Methodist Church and all that religion. Came down to that. I said, you\u2019ll have to trust it, that the only God that there is, is right here before you. To help you. She said, I<\/i> believe it. And when I first married her, it was a tro\u2014 it was a cross to her. \u2018Cause I\u2019d stand up and speak against the racial injustice in their church, and got throwed out, and the poor woman, her father [Walter Baldwin] being the superintendent of the church, he\u2019d just like to tear her up. She believed in all<\/i> that Skygod, but now you heard her say Wednesday night, he healed me when no one could heal me. He raise me up. Now she works every day. Three hundred miles she drives every<\/i> day, and comes to you every Sunday, tonight\u2014\u00a0today, she\u2019s in Los Angeles. When her back was severed<\/i> from a spinal deterioration, not<\/i> just a spinal ailment, but wasting away of the spine. Now she [is] so strong that she carried a black woman out<\/i> of a cheap convalescent hospital that was mistreating her. And she put her over her shoulders, because the bedsores were so bad, that if she would carry her this way, the skin woulda fallen off her body. And she had that much strength, as you know, to carry her out and save her. And it really<\/i> shows a lack of concern, when she drives 300 miles a day and is an inspector<\/i> of hospitals, she makes more money in this church than any woman, and puts it back into the work, and then comes every weekend, and it\u2019s a shame when you\u2019re not with me in Los Angeles. And if you\u2019re not here, it\u2019s a shame.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You won\u2019t find any woman any better than that woman. Adopted our children\u2014 when our black baby [James Jones Jr.] was first adopted, they spit on her, spit on the baby, fought her, stoned her, she held her head up high, and never once wavered, not an inch, as Mother [Marceline] LeTourneau and Sister Edith Cordell and some of the old-timers can say, she went through the battle of Ku Klux Klan territory, and she never once<\/i> bowed her head. She held it up high. And it\u2019s a shame that you<\/i> won\u2019t give her the respect<\/i> that you give me.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Time oughta come, if you don\u2019t go<\/i> with us to Los Angeles. We ought to always try to have these big rallies, she wants it that way, so each place that I\u2019m present, there\u2019s a large number, that shows the enemy that we are together, but it also shows the enemy we\u2019re not together when you that don\u2019t go, stay at home and don\u2019t get here and support her. And the time oughta come\u2014 you\u2014 you go one place or the other, if you want all the blessings of this house.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But through all that, her Methodist father superintendent has given up God in the sky. If I could convince him that there was no Skygod\u2014 Even though he\u2019s got a long way to go to get over material things, he won\u2019t go to church. He got the conviction that God is within. The only God there is, is within. (Pause) I would not eliminate God from the scene, in the terms of an abstract idea, if it was not that wherever God is worshipped blindly and superstitiously, freedom\u2019s light goes out. Fascism took over Italy, the center, the seat of the Catholic Church. Communism and fascism threatening \u2014 fascism particularly \u2014 threatening to take Italy again, the seat<\/i> of the Catholic Church. Chile, stronghold of Pentacostalists, the bloodiest dictatorship tonight, where people are being tortured, women are being g\u2014 given the most unmentionable tortures\u2014 (Pause) You ought to read the papers to see what\u2019s happening to them. (Pause) Anyone that disagrees. Strong religious c\u2014 center in South Korea\u2014 Spoke of a woman minister the other day in South Korea that they ran the spike<\/i> into her vagina, and the men ran it back and forth. That goes on all<\/i> the time. That device was on this very boat that docked out here in our harbor, and yet the prostitutes were the only ones that concerned themselves about liberty enough to get out and protest the presence of that heinous<\/i> boat. (Pause) America is dying because it\u2019s lost its love of liberty. If one person loses their liberty, then everyone<\/i> is in danger. I say again, it ought to be on our walls, and I\u2019ve asked before for it to be so and it\u2019s not there yet. The evangelist [Martin] Niemoller (phonetic) in Germany, when the Communists were taken away, he said, I<\/i> didn\u2019t worry about that. I always had no use for Communists, \u2018cause they didn\u2019t believe in God. They came after the Jews<\/i>, he said, I didn\u2019t worry much about that<\/i>, because the Jews, we had always been taught, had been responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. Said they came after the trade unions and he said, I had a good job as a pastor, I didn\u2019t have to worry about that. So I didn\u2019t do anything. They came after the Catholic<\/i> workers finally, he said, I always had been taught that the Catholic Church was a great whore<\/i>, and I did nothing about that. He said then finally, I said one little thing wrong, and [Adolf] Hitler\u2019s stormtroopers came after me. And there was nobody left to speak out for me. (Pause) [You] Say, I am not interested in protecting Communist. You better be. For when a Communist lo\u2014\u00a0loses their right to speak, it may be the John Bircher next day. (Pause) This house of America must be free for all<\/i> to express themselves non-violently, or we\u2019re in trouble.<\/p>\n

And I can give you account after account that I\u2019ve already given you, of people that are in prison today for nothing more than their political ideas. (Voice rises) It\u2019s interesting to note \u2014\u00a0(Voice falls) and I will close with this \u2014 (Pause) the man that was arrested, that invented Parkinson\u2019s law, Doctor [C. Northcote] Parkinson, he was arrested last week, and nobody did anything about it. His secretary\u2019s a Christian Scientist. I called up and offered my help, she said, no one\u2019s called. [She] Said, he feels like committing suicide. He was in his office at the time they accused him of a crime. It was all over your paper, that Doctor Parkinson, the head of the National\u2014 or the National Chairman of the Republican Party, was arrested, supposedly having his mouth on the genitalia on the\u2014 the penile organ of an officer. A homosexual. His reputation is ruined. And you went right on about your life. Did you know that just a week before, he had protested [Nelson] Rockefeller\u2019s appointment [nomination to Vice-Presidency], and said he would have no more to do with the Republican Party? (Pause) [You] Say, you mean that they do that? Do you mean they do<\/i> it? They have done it to so many of my people, (stumbles over words), it\u2019s so much a practice, I\u2019ve had to get them out, and the only way, they would have smeared us, we told them that if you do this to any of our people, we\u2019ll protest like we did that Examiner<\/i> when that man [Lester Kinsolving] wanted to crush us, and we marched till they fired him. (Pause) You\u2019ve got<\/i> to stand up<\/i> for liberty. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty<\/i>. And if you won\u2019t stand up for it, you\u2019ll lose<\/i> it. And a lot of people in this room don\u2019t have enough concern about liberty, unless it\u2019s yours. And if it\u2019s your<\/i> liberty that you\u2019re concerned about, it\u2019ll be too late when they come for you. Because all those that stood for liberty will be gone. (Pause) That\u2019s why\u2014 people wonder why we get our money in support of a John Bircher who\u2019s been arrested for practicing laetrile remedy for cancer? We\u2019re concerned when anyone<\/i> loses their liberty. That\u2019s why we\u2019re concerned when Miss [Angela] Davis was pounded and persecuted, because anyone\u2019s<\/i> liberty is our liberty. You can\u2019t separate it. Freedom of speech means freedom for all<\/i>, or freedom for none. And you better protect it with all your heart, your mind and your soul. (Pause) Any last, concluding remark before we proceed into the healing aspects of the service.<\/p>\n

[The] Thing that concerns me gravely about this church is, that many of you would not<\/i> be here, if it were not for healings. (Pause) Make it a\u2014\u00a0a question about something of a uh, civil liberatarian or question concerning freedom or justice or something that is not proper in\u2014 in our co\u2014 compassionate work uh, where we could improve it. Let\u2019s don\u2019t get off on a vision<\/i> or a dream or delusion, illusion or something like that, because I\u2019m telling you, I\u2019ve had enough of it. I\u2019ve had enough of it, till I can hardly stand it anymore. I<\/i> don\u2019t know why people\u2014 I know the meeting\u2019s a little long, I hope all of you got excusable reasons for leaving. We\u2019ve been (unintelligible word) normally until I got back from the Promised Land weeks, we got out at 2:30, and we will continue that again, but we\u2019ve got to get an understanding<\/i> of where we are. I want you to understand<\/i> me. I\u2019m telling you, that when two out of three babies go to bed hungry, I worship nothing in the sky. You say, a devil<\/i> was made by God, and he is the wa\u2014\u00a0reason that all the people are sick. Well, why<\/i> did the God<\/i> that was omniscient, omnipotent, omniluscent, omnipresent, with all<\/i> that intelligence, why did he make<\/i> a devil? (Pause) (Calmer voice) Makes no sense. And then the most beautiful angel turned out to be the devil that led a third of his angels astray. And the Bible itself has all<\/i> sorts of contradictions. All you have to do is pick up the book [The Letter Killeth<\/a><\/i>] that I\u2019ve given to you freely, and you can read it. Thomas Paine told you about it, the founder of this country, he warned people about superstitions. Worshipping Bibles. He said, “You won\u2019t love liberty, if you worship unknown gods.” Paul<\/i> told you not to worship an unknown god. Paul himself<\/i> said don\u2019t worship an unknown god. (Pause) My contention is, when people are caught up in religion, they\u2019ll always say, like I just mentioned about the torturing, just mentioned about the one that was in jail that we helped that was being persecuted, the Lord will take care of it. If they are meant to be free, the Lord<\/i> will free them. (Emphatic) That is the cheapest excuse I ever heard, from a yellow-bellied coward.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s not in the Bible, but what did your grandparents tell you: God helps those that help themselves. Why does everyone in every church quote that? And it\u2019s [in] no Bible on earth. God helps those that helps themselves. What it really<\/i> means, if you get any help, you\u2019ll help yourself.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice starts to rise) Because the people that get the shaft all the time\u2014 Before you knew me\u2014 We\u2019ve had no deaths of anyone in my presence that hasn\u2019t been resurrected. But how many of you lost a child before you knew me? (Pause) You know the pain of losing a child. Look at the hands in this room. (Pause) Now, if God loved us and wanted to share something with us, why did all these mothers and fathers lose their children before they were grown? How many here lost your mother before you were grown up? (Pause) My goodness. How many lost your father before you were grown up? (Pause) You know the hell of that? Some of us do. Eating mush and greens? Some of the people I\u2019ve healed, the sister I healed, raised from the dead, paid her way back from where she was in a hospital that wouldn\u2019t receive her in Chicago because she was black. She\u2019d been a slave, treated like a dog all of her life. Sister here that I raised that was paralyzed, lost all of her children, one after another, in the cotton fields, because they wouldn\u2019t let her take time, they\u2019d drop out like\u2014 There she is. She was paralyzed, and I healed her, from a stroke. All of her babies dropped in the cotton fields. Nobody would even give her time or mercy. Oh, that\u2019s only two. I could tell you some stories here that would break your hearts. Your stories. You\u2019ve all got them. (Voice rises) Why do you do, as Paul said, why are you so superstitious, that you worship an unknown God? (Voice moderates) Jesus said, worship what you see. Ye all are gods, these things shall you do and greater, because I go to the Father, or I return into life or into energy. (Pause) [He] Said, when you\u2019ve seen me, you\u2019ve seen the only god there is. And that\u2019s the truth today as it was yesterday. (Voice rises) Someone will stand here and say, well, how did something come out of nothing? I don\u2019t care how something came out of nothing. I know that buzzard feces comes out of a buzzard, but I\u2019m not huntin\u2019 for a buzzard.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Moderates) The buzzards that sit around our property, and used to bother our children, now I\u2019ll tell\u2014 I\u2019ll say that in closing. That will be it. Finally. That will be<\/i> the truth. (Pause) We have no animals even die in our place, it\u2019s a miraculous sort of thing, life, energy, purpose, is a remarkable<\/i> therapy. Even the old goat, must be 20 years old, geese, twelve, fifteen years of age, don\u2019t die. They just keep on living. The old buzzards used to fly over and wait and watch, and they quit flying over all of our church property. But there was one that was more patient than others. He set back at the end<\/i> of the property on the railroad trestle, looking out, hoping something finally would die in that Jones family. And the children once said, Father, how did we get here (Pause) if there wasn\u2019t a god? I said, well, I could explain to you some things about combustion and energy and the perpetuality of energy and the process of chemical reactions that would explain it on a scientific level, but I\u2019m not saying there wa\u2014 that there isn\u2019t something there that caused<\/i> it\u2014 us to be here. But I want to show you this buzzard here, out by the trestle, and I want you to look down beneath, where the buzzard sets. So I took our children, and I showed them the b\u2014 this big pile. And one of them said, Father, that looks like the world that you see, on a planet in the school room, or as you see it from a picture on the TV from outer space. I said, (hushed tone) that\u2019s just it. (Normal tone) And I said, who put it there? A buzzard. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Now, I know in Scientology who we\u2014 we wer\u2014 we worked for human rights, they say we came from an outer\u2014\u00a0a\u2014\u00a0another planet<\/i>, higher developed planet, and that we got lost. (Pause) And they we are finally going to get ourselves back to that planet. Well, if that planet\u2019s so highly evolved, I say it<\/i> should come down here and do something about this mess. (Pause) Anybody\u2019s got power and won\u2019t use it, with the kind of suffering I<\/i> see every day, coming through here, and the pain, not<\/i> to mention the animal pain. As Brother [Archie] Ijames told you, the little broken dogs that I healed, and got up and run away healed, but how many I don\u2019t see. \u2018Cause if you come to me, I have the most unusual power I know of. Most unusual power, when people don\u2019t die, when people that\u2014\u00a0not one of our people that have had a stroke that has not been healed. Again, think on that. I\u2019ve disturbed some of your religious minds. How many in this room had a stroke that I healed you? (Pause) How many had cancer<\/i>, and I healed you? (Pause) How many have seen me raise the dead, not once, but hundreds of times? (Pause) Kidney and bladder trouble, and I healed it? How many have I given the prophecy to that saved you and your loved ones, not once, but hundreds of times? How many in this room today, and there\u2019re many downstairs, have been raised<\/i> from the dead? Remember the socialist spirit of non-violence. (Pause) Have been raised from the dead, some three times. Stand up. Look at them. (Pause) Balcony, here, in the uh, choir, raised from the dead. This lady was dead for three<\/i> hours, right there. You know, in the churches you used to go, she couldn\u2019t go to a black church, because they made fun of her, because she has a little scar on her face. (Pause) They told her she wasn\u2019t welcome, didn\u2019t make her feel welcome. I wouldn\u2019t even notice the little scar, she\u2019s so beautiful. She takes care of one sister, night and day. She\u2019s so<\/i> beautiful, you\u2019re the most beautiful woman I\u2019ve ever looked at. You radiate beauty.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What I\u2019ve said is hard to bear, and I hoped that I will not have to say it. That\u2019s why I\u2019ve said, be careful who you bring. Be careful who you bring. Only one white sister got in this church today, because every white person, fifteen of them, said they did not care what happened to black people, if it came to a choice and black people were annihilated, they wouldn\u2019t do anything. So there\u2019s only one white woman in this church today as a guest, because she\u2019s adopted children. And that shows to me that she has love. Anyone who will adopt children, instead of bringing babies into the world\u2014 That\u2019s why I never had any use for the Skygod. I adopted eight children [six known: Stephanie Jones (died in 1959); Suzanne Jones; Agnes Paulette Jones; James Warren Jones, Jr.; Lew Eric Jones; Timothy Glenn Tupper Jones], children that were brought into earth. I know my wife\u2019s needs, so we had a child [Stephan Jones], but I did not wish to do that, \u2018cause I know how painful life is. It\u2019s fraught with pain. That\u2019s why I adopted legally<\/i> eight. And I think anyone in this room that has adopted children is higher than that unknown Skygod that you worship, because Billy Graham and all the preachers say, he<\/i> made people because he was lonely. If I<\/i> had been up there in the darkness of space, see hurricanes and famines that promises to wipe out at least half<\/i> the human race by the year 2000, nuclear hell<\/i> that could leave only 20 million alive after 30 minutes, if the bomb were to drop in a milli\u2014\u00a0just this minute. Look out over the hell of hunger, disease, and as my wife, who went to a seminar, they\u2019re not telling you, whole doctors conference, bubonic plague is running wild all over every area of the world except China and America and Russia. It\u2019s even in places in Europe, in lower Europe, but it\u2019s running rampant<\/i> through Africa, running rampant<\/i> through Asia. It kills in the most horrible way. (Pause) You say, there\u2019s a god sitting up there that\u2019s got all power. (Cries out) Then he ought to use it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Ministerial tone) And if he\u2019s all-wise and all-intelligent, he shouldn\u2019t have made a devil that could create this kind of hell. Then if he has created a devil that it can make this kind of hell, the devil has now out-won the battle, has been his match, and the devil is the victor, and God is defeated. You used to laugh<\/i>, when they said out there, that God was dead. The world is saying it, the colleges are saying that God is dead. We don\u2019t have to say it, because there\u2019s a savior<\/i> in our midst. We know that there\u2019s a living hope in our midst.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But I hope you\u2019ll be more sympathetic for those dear hearts outside that say, (Voice lowers) God is dead. (Pause) God is dead. If he ever was alive. That God of the unknown variety is dead. (Pause) (Normal tone) I remember the times that you used to worship that unknown God. You never would do anything for the cause of justice. Some of you that now have adopted children, you never adopted them then. You quote that silly scripture, the poor<\/i> will be with you always, and it isn\u2019t even in the original Bible. [You] Say, well, if children are there\u2014\u00a0we had a man last night, he\u2019s a very ignorant man, though he was a lawyer, worshipping some guru. [He] Said, well, if the people are starving, they\u2019re meant to be, because of their karma, their reincarnation. (Pause) That\u2019s what religion does to people. That\u2019s why there should be, for a moment, as the good John Birch leader said, he said he wished that everybody for a moment would wake up to what I\u2019d said, (Pause) just for a moment, think that there\u2019s no God. He said then maybe we might do something to help ourselves. Otherwise, some of you will sit right here\u2014\u00a0You say you don\u2019t believe, uh, in God, but you really do. You substituted your Skygod in me. (Pause) Now, if Father was a Skygod, he would eliminate all poverty. I\u2019m amazed that I have as much power as I do, with people not paying any attention to me. I\u2019m amazed that every person that\u2019s ever had a stroke in all of my churches have been healed, because people don\u2019t listen to me, and people, very few of them, know me. But don\u2019t you ever<\/i> insult me by calling me your creator Skygod. I am a savior, because I save everybody that comes to me.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But don\u2019t call me your creator Skygod. I would rather you call me the devil, because he had the sense to rebel. (Pause) He had the good sense to rebel. I mean the myth. I love that story, and I wish it were on our walls, but we have so many new guests today, I must relate it again, and I\u2019m tired of speaking. I hope we can get to the place where we can get our crew down to the number and work for freedom and quit trying to have to do this, because it\u2019s too hard. \u2018Cause I\u2014\u00a0if you think I enjoy speaking, I enjoy it no<\/i> more than some of you enjoy having to sit here and listen to it. But some people are new<\/i> and babes<\/i> in this. Someone met that devil, and said, why, devil, did you leave heaven? You, the most beautiful angel. [He] Said, don\u2019t bother me with that question. He said, it\u2019s simple<\/i>, if you\u2019ve got any understanding. And you know the story. [He] Said, well, I\u2019ll show you. The guy kept dogging him, he said I\u2019ll show<\/i> you why I left heaven. (Pause) (Unintelligible instructions away from mike) (Voice comes from some distance from mike) Now. You run around here. You want to know why I got tired of heaven?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Hallelujah! Halle\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2014 you say Hallelujah?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Hallelujah!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You say, Praise God.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Praise God.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Hell, I\u2019m tired.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s just exactly what happened to me.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mark Twain. Why is it that they believe that their Bible and their religion is so pu\u2014 pure, that they wouldn\u2019t let Mark Twain, the greatest writer, who was a great conservative, why would they not let his writings, Letters from the Earth<\/i>, free for\u2014 until he died. Sixty years he was dead before they would let him\u2014 the people see his books that show the lies that are in the Bible. Go home and read Mark Twain, Letters from the Earth<\/i>. Why<\/i> is it that they hid them from us? People said, oh the Bible\u2019s true. Oh, they put all things in there to make you afraid to doubt it. Say if you take one jot or kittle from it, you\u2019ll lose your life. Yet it does not tell the truth, my friend. It does not tell the truth. [It] Said Adam and Eve was the first man and the first woman, and that\u2019s why we have women subjected as they are. Man was made carefully, but the woman only was a rib. And the woman started slaving and waiting upon the man immediately, she goes and gets an apple. God meets her and tells her, don\u2019t go and eat of the knowledge\u2014\u00a0of Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, because if you do\u2014 the day you do, you\u2019ll die. The devil said, don\u2019t listen to that guy. Said he don\u2019t want you to eat of that tree, because if you eat of that tree, your eyes will get open and you\u2019ll be like him. (Pause) Well, if she hadn\u2019t<\/i> eaten of the Knowledge of Tree of Good and Evil, if you haven\u2019t known good, the right or wrong, or what\u2019s good or what\u2019s evil, you wouldn\u2019t be able to be judged<\/i>. (Pause) You gotta know it\u2019s wrong to pick apples. Child shouldn\u2019t be spanked if he goes out and picks an apple, unless the mother\u2019s told him that the apple doesn\u2019t belong to him. So that was like spanking a child for eating an apple without being told it was wrong, to go and pick an apple off of somebody else\u2019s apple tree. She would have to eat the apple to get knowledge of right and wrong. (Dismissive) Oh, such a stupid story. Such a stupid book. (Pause) (Scornful) Well, she went and ate the apple, (laughs) she went home\u2014\u00a0Her eyes got opened all right. They had two children. The devil told the truth, and the God lied. Then the story\u2014\u00a0You don\u2019t have to go any further than the first pages of it, till it becomes idiotic. Cain kills\u2014 God messed up with his angels, he couldn\u2019t make perfect angels, so\u2014\u00a0He couldn\u2019t even make perfect humans. \u2018Cause then Cain kills Abel, hit him with the jawbone or something, whatever. That\u2019s not in the book, but I\u2014 I don\u2019t want to get silly. (Voice rises) Cain kills Abel, his own brother. (Pause) But then, now, we\u2019ve got the strangest set of circumstances. Adam and Eve are the first two, the only two\u2014 only two. (Unintelligible exclamation). He didn\u2019t make three. He made two. (Pause) Please don\u2019t be looking around here, you\u2019re getting people distracted. (Pause) Made only two. Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve has two. Now, I\u2019m\u2014 now I\u2019m rather stupid in mathematics, but I know two and two makes four. (Pause) Then minus one, we got killed with the jawbone of an ass, makes three. (Pause) So you got Cain and Abel and Eve (stumbles over words)\u2014 You got Cain, Adam and Eve left. Yet the Bible can make people believe anything, and they do it. Cain goes over to the Land of Nod, and gets him a wife. Where in Hades did she come from?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Moderates) And, that\u2019s only the beginning. The whole book, the New Testament\u2014 This is the thing that will lead us back into slavery. It says, “Slaves, obey your masters.” It\u2019s in the\u2014 in the second chapters, the New Testaments\u2014 Even the ancestry of Jesus is wrong. That\u2019s why you have to have a living oracle, someone to speak the truth\u2014 speak the truth for yourself. Say, I know as much truth as you do. Fine. If you do, go home. But you still better come back. Because a group must stand together. It takes group action. Reader\u2019s Digest said it, Psychology Today said it, unless people get together in a group and stand up for each other, they\u2019ll be rolled over by the oppressive forces that are taking away liberty. But I don\u2019t know anyone else that has raised as many dead people as I have. How many have I\u2014 of your loved ones have I gotten out of jail again? How many have loved ones I\u2019ve gotten out of jail? (Pause) Unless you can do that, you better stick with the old man up here, \u2018cause this old man didn\u2019t create you because he was lonely, he found you by that other sucker that created you, because he was lonely, and he\u2019s been saving you from that mess that that other fellow created, and he will continue to save you, (tape edit?) could do what I would love to do for you, I\u2019d give you peace, so you\u2019d never have to have any more feeling of this old earth and its pain. (Pause) Shift yourself. (Clears throat) (Pause) I did not get to the question over there, I\u2019m sorry. What was the question? (Pause) Shh.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/b> Father, from what I observed yesterday morning, I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What you heard yesterday morning?<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/b> What I observed yesterday morning, I mean, ah, last evening, I am perfectly willing to remain where I am, and win them over for Christ. It was beautiful this morning, Father. We all sat at the breakfast table, and they started singing, “Somewhere Hallelujah, Somewhere,” and glory, you\u2019ll find me listening and working for my name. And Father, I am willing\u2014 It is not\u2014\u00a0She is willing\u2014 I didn\u2019t\u2014 I repent from what\u2014\u00a0for what I said, I do.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, it\u2014 it\u2014 it\u2019s good. Uh\u2014 I always protect a person\u2019s reputation, and that\u2019s why I spoke it last night. When I saw the sister, uh\u2014\u00a0We don\u2019t want to impute someone of being uh, crooked. (Pause) That\u2019s a very hard charge to get down, to lay down. And that\u2019s good of you to acknowledge that uh, the erroneousness of it. You uh\u2014 I\u2019m sure you ask her of\u2014\u00a0or your money like you wish to do, and she\u2019ll give you her hum\u2014 you\u2019ll uh, you\u2019ll get your money.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/b> Yes, she said she would give it to me. And Father\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Of course she will.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: One ot\u2014 one other thing I wanted to mention, she belongs to the Inter\u2014 the Na\u2014\u00a0Interdenominational Temple. And after their meetings, they uh, have a banquet. And Father, she had\u2014 (Clears throat) She had a bucket \u2014 uh, just a minute \u2014 she had a bucket this\u2014 this wide of chitterlings to carry to her bre\u2014 her banquet. She had uh, uh, uh, three bags of new beautiful potatoes to carry to her banquet.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman<\/b>: I thought, Father, of the\u2014 of the quarts of\u2014 of food our family bring here. It is something to consider. In other words, it is a disgrace.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, let\u2019s see now. Uh, if we\u2019re going to glorify another interdenominational temple, you find out if that interdo\u2014\u00a0denominational temple has a Promised Land with 27,000 acres, a boat, twelve Greyhound buses, the pastor who won\u2019t own any car, or take any anniversaries or any birthdays, or the pastor doesn\u2019t take any pastor\u2019s wife teas, pastor appreciation. We have lovely temples with housing in, and\u00a0those that can\u2019t pay, don\u2019t have to pay. Several senior citizen homes, several convalescent homes, a catfish pond filled with catfish, in case there\u2019s just a depression here, and if there is a dictatorial takeover, we have a place beautifully in the uh, jungles of South America with all the food we ever need growing even wild, and not to count the food we planted, I\u2019ll bet you my life, my eyetooth, that that interdenominational church does not have those things, for if it did, I would close this one up, and we\u2019d join it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/strong> (Too soft for first sentence) \u2014don\u2019t pay for our meals, out of all of that she\u2019s donated, still, they don\u2019t pay for their meals.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who don\u2019t pay for their meal?<\/p>\n

Elderly woman<\/b>: Uh\u2014 uh, the banquet that she uh, asked me to go to, to her<\/i> church this morning, and I said, well, I put nothing against my\u2014\u00a0uh, my father and my<\/i> family, and still<\/i>, the\u2014 the uh, banquet, she said, af\u2014 they served after the\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I just told you that no one should supervise your money. Don\u2019t call them a crook, though, until you\u2019ve asked them for the money, say you want your money back, and you should get your money back, \u2018cause no one else should supervise $2000 of your money. That should be your<\/i> money, and you don\u2019t need anybody to supervise her. You\u2014 You not\u2014 You\u2019re not a person in a zoo.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/b> Well, she said she would give it to me tomorrow.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s right. Then, get it tomorrow. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/b> (too soft) \u2014she said she would pay her commi\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m glad she\u2019s taking chitterlings over to the interdenominational meeting, and I believe she\u2019s not a crooked woman. I\u2019d\u2014 I believe she\u2019s a deluded<\/i> woman to be going to any other church like that, when this church is available here<\/i>. But uh, now\u2014 I don\u2019t want people\u2019s uh, re\u2014\u00a0honesty imputed when it\u2019s not uh, so<\/i>, you know. We\u2014\u00a0And it\u2019s good of you to correct that matter. Now, if she doesn\u2019t give you the money back, that\u2019d be different<\/i>. Then the\u2014 we could talk about dishonesty, but let\u2019s first get them\u2014\u00a0ask them\u2014\u00a0demand your money back, then find out where you\u2014 where you stand.<\/p>\n

Woman too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, you\u2019re not making it very clear, dear. I\u2014 I didn\u2019t uh, quite understand that, so I beg your forgiveness.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/b> (Starts too soft) \u2014her granddaughters go to this same interdenominational temple.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, what\u2019s\u2014 what\u2019s all about this chitterlings that\u2019re in this interdenominational temple. The first<\/i> place, I ate too many chitterlings when I was young, uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Chitterlings may taste<\/i> good, but they\u2019re bad<\/i> for the health. And I have never thought\u2014 I\u2019ve never particularly wanted to go back to eating the genitalia of pork, uh, hog, I\u2014 I\u2019ve had enough hog marbles to suit<\/i> me for the rest of my day<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light laughter and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> You ain\u2019t kidding. (Laughs) You\u2019re not kidding. You\u2019re not kidding. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So let them eat<\/i> the hog marbles if they choose. (Pause) But I think it\u2019s appropriate, you get up and clear this lady, because that uh\u2014 we don\u2019t want to put anyone in a\u2014 in the bad light of uh, being a crook, until they prove<\/i> they\u2019re a crook. (Pause) Yes, if you\u2014 (Pause) Quickly. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/b> Uh, last night, you said that uh, you were considering having us\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They\u2019ve got you off.<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/b> Last night, you said that you were considering having a service, I thought I understood you to say, once a month. Does that mean\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, for guests. I think that the trouble we\u2019re running into, if we don\u2019t\u2014 \u2018course, we make it clear on the radio, (Pause) those that came in\u2014 fifteen of those people came in by radio<\/i>. Now we make it clear<\/i>\u2014\u00a0Now of course, [if] you<\/i> bring in someone, that\u2019s a matter of different\u2014 Be sure you determine their beliefs and their purposes, their practices, and their\u2014 their ideals<\/i>. Someone first thought one sister wasn\u2019t (Pause) open to all the ideals<\/i>, so I felt to check it out, and I found that she was<\/i>, and passed on her coming. I don\u2019t let these things go bass\u2014 go by easily<\/i>, and I think some people uh, need to thoroughly<\/i> look into matters, because the entire committee missed<\/i> on a sister this morning. (Pause) White sister setting back there. She\u2014 I can tell, she\u2019s a very open-minded woman<\/i>. (Pause) They missed on her. And I can\u2014 sure you can understand [what] an ordeal it is for our committee when they meet people, who are very nice apparently, until you come up to the point of adopting a black child, or what would you do if black people were oppressed and put in concentration camps<\/a>, and they say some stupid thing like they\u2019d pray<\/i>. We don\u2019t<\/i> feel that that person will do us any good, or we will do them<\/i> any good. So we let them\u2014\u00a0we\u2014 we just ask them to return another time, and take their name, that we\u2019ll let them know of a later meeting<\/i>. (Pause) But we\u2019re having so<\/i> many people come, and so many people turned away from the door\u2014 We turned away 50 some people today, they said\u2014 That\u2019s a lot of people to be turned away from the door. So perhaps it\u2019s better to have a meeting. But the trouble is uh, that they won\u2019t be content with one meeting<\/i>. What we\u2019re going end up is schizophrenic<\/i>. (Pause) We\u2019ll have one meeting for the guests, and that\u2019ll continue for the rest of the life, and we\u2019ll have another meeting for the family, in which we give total protection<\/i>. I\u2019m really in the dilemma as to what we\u2019re going to do about that<\/i>, \u2018cause you see, this church guarantees. We provide for our people from the cradle to the great beyond<\/i>. The Promised Land\u2019s 27,000 acres, we have a boat, a beautiful boat, we have tractors and backhoes<\/i> and bulldozers<\/i> and gardens<\/i> and fields<\/i> and commune<\/i>, lovely houses and apartments, individual houses, too, we don\u2019t make everyone live in one barn. We\u2019re not that kind of communalist. But what\u2019re you going to do with these people who start coming to church, just for the loaves and fishes, and we cannot offer them the same thing that we offer the rest, because they won\u2019t have the same understanding, won\u2019t be willing to give of themselves as much as the others who are involved in this family. I don\u2019t know what we\u2019re going to do. I think sometime we oughta stop radio and all, the whole thing. \u2018Cause they won\u2019t<\/i> pay any attention. The radio clearly<\/i> says, before coming, write<\/i>, that our seats are filled, to write so that we can let you know when to come. But folk won\u2019t<\/i> pay any attention to it, and still come.<\/p>\n

(Pause) But it\u2019s up to you. I\u2019ll\u2014 I\u2019d be willing, if we want to set the side, say the last uh\u2014 but they\u2014\u00a0We have such a problem, you see\u2014 It\u2019d probably have to be the last Friday of a month, and then that last Friday sometime, I\u2019ll be in Los Angeles. What\u2014\u00a0How we going to set it up? It\u2019s really difficult. (Pause) How would we set up one month\u2014 one day a month for people here? Because I alternate<\/i>\u2014 Now like Wednesday, I\u2019ll be in Redwood Valley, Friday I\u2019ll be here, Saturday and Sunday I\u2019ll be in our beautiful Los Angeles Temple and apartments. (Pause) How\u2014\u00a0What will we do<\/i>? How\u2014 How would we announce that\u2019ll\u2014 that there\u2019ll be a meeting here, or uh, one meeting in Los Angeles. \u2018Cause you can\u2019t\u2014 No one knows when those weeks are going to fall. (Pause) Anybody got a solution to it? You bring up a very good point: We ought to do it. I don\u2019t like to turn people away, (Pause) but I certainly<\/i> don\u2019t like to bring somebody in like we had (Pause) the other day who\u2019d turn people into the CIA, now\u2014\u00a0and [Secretary of State Henry] Kissinger and all of this dirt has been brought out about how they murdered Chileans with our tax money. (Pause) And the woman knew<\/i> it when she brought her. She said, oh, I forgot<\/i> it. You ought to know<\/i> who you\u2019re bringing to church. \u2018Cause she was mean<\/i>. She set on us with hell and fury on Thursday night. Meanness was all over her. Sister [Margrette] Jeffery set next to her. You could feel<\/i> the rancor in her. (Pause) So I think we ought to re\u2014 we ought to resolve<\/i> it. We\u2019ll go back to shorter meetings next Sunday. We ought to resolve<\/i> this. Because I wouldn\u2019t have to teach all this long sermon, but there\u2019s some good<\/i> people here. Nice young couple over there didn\u2019t understand when they came in, but I can see they understand me<\/i>. They may not accept everything I<\/i> stand for. That\u2019s not what I\u2019m up<\/i> to. I want us to understand that we\u2019ve all<\/i> got one thing in common, the need to fight for freedom<\/i>, and defend liberty.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And if we had a service, we could take people apart, and then we\u2019d see how the people reacted during that service, and we could invite people then into other main services and up in our valley, beautiful projects and our senior homes, and let them see what we\u2019ve done through cooperative, non-violent<\/i>, true apostolic<\/i> socialism, as an alternative to totalitarian fascism or communism. I\u2019d\u2014 I\u2014\u00a0I think it\u2019s a good idea, but what are we going to do<\/i> to be able to set that one day a month. How do you do it? Anybody got an idea?<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> Well, I\u2014 I\u2019ll think on it. I had\u2014\u00a0I didn\u2019t understand you to say that. I understood you to say that you were only going to have one service per month, and that was for everybody, and I was thinking, how can I make it? (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No no no no no. We would go on, but our meetings would not have to be so long<\/i>. (Pause) See, I got out before the Promised Land at two o\u2019clock, 2:30, two o\u2019clock. When you have 20, 30 new people, and they\u2019re decent<\/i> people, if you\u2019re kind, you\u2019re going to give them an opportunity to hear your point of view. (Pause) If you\u2019re kind. Because all they come in here\u2014 they come in here\u2014\u00a0The first thing some people say, I don\u2019t know it\u2019s wise, I don\u2019t know why you don\u2019t say he\u2019s\u2014\u00a0this is savior, the savior\u2019s with us. Mother LeTourneau will watch it very carefully, and (unintelligible word) others, say God<\/i> is with us. You (unintelligible word) have to know that God<\/i> is here. But she doesn\u2019t say, Jim Jones is God, but some of you, invariably<\/i>, you\u2019ll stand up and say, (Breathless) Jim Jones is Almighty God<\/i>. Then you create a whole afternoon\u2019s work for me. Because I sure<\/i> don\u2019t want to be that almighty god that everybody\u2019s worshipped. (Pause) I\u2019d be ashamed<\/i> to be called that Almighty Skygod, \u2018cause he<\/i> is\u2014\u00a0As I said, I\u2019ve long since put out a, an awar\u2014 a warrant for his arrest, charging him with murder, abandonment of his children, abandonment of his people, desertion, torture, cruelty, inhuman treatment beyond description, so I would not want to be called that, but sure as the world<\/i>, somebody hits me at the door. You can\u2019t wait for me to get the truth out. Why don\u2019t you tell the works<\/i> that I do? Why don\u2019t you tell the blessings<\/i> that I give? But all up and down the town\u2014\u00a0and then some of you, the worst ones to tell it, are people that can\u2019t get along with their neighbor \u2014 I\u2019m not talking about people (tape edit for brief instant) up here, I\u2019m talking about some of you that tell it out in the streets. You don\u2019t get along with your neighbor, you\u2019re calling the police<\/i> on your neighbor, you don\u2019t speak<\/i> to your neighbor, then you tell your neighbor that your pastor\u2019s God. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And they\u2019re good\u2014 (tape edit) You better live better than some people do. (Voice rises) We have had one of our lovely<\/i> sisters that runs one of our beautiful<\/i> homes for senior citizens, and she takes care of them well. But a white neighbor<\/i> \u2014\u00a0she\u2019s white too, white sister that runs the home \u2014 the white neighbor\u2019s dog<\/i> was giving us some trouble in her flowers. She called the dog<\/i> pound on the neighbor\u2019s dog. With all the work I\u2019ve done to take care of little animals in the shelter, and the dog pound is so cruel<\/i> to them, they throw them in a vat, they\u2019ll stack them in till they\u2019re packed in, till the poor little creatures can\u2019t even move, and they\u2019ll put in those gas vats 20 and 30 dogs where it\u2019s only meant for two. (Pause) Or they\u2019ll put them out and shove monoxide on them, and they won\u2019t be\u2014 uh, they\u2019ll be half dead, and our people have brought them in and nursed them back to health. Throw cold water in and freeze them to death. (Pause) (Incredulous) And a member of mine would turn anyone over to a dog pound<\/i>? The most insensitive people I know are those dog pound workers. (Pause) You couldn\u2019t<\/i> have any feeling to do what they do. People say, they gotta make a living. Well, the German kapos said the same. The Jewish kapos. Those that led the people into the concentration camps. They said, we had<\/i> to make a living. I don\u2019t buy that. By God, I\u2019d rather starve<\/i> than make a living at the expense of somebody\u2019s suffering or someone being hurt or something being tortured.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> My life is not that important. I refuse<\/i> to be a dog catcher. (Pause) (Normal tone) It\u2019s too bad, I know I\u2019ve got one that\u2019s a relative of a dog catcher, I\u2019ll probably\u2014\u00a0I\u2019m gonna lose another member, but that\u2019ll be one more seat we can give to somebody else.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice rises) I would quit<\/i>, and go on welfare, as much as I don\u2019t like bureaucracy and government. I would not<\/i> be a welfare\u2014\u00a0I would not be a dog catcher. Taking those poor innocent little animals. That\u2019s another reason, why do you believe in anything. These poor<\/i> little things that\u2019re the most loyal creatures on earth, dogs love you and people just treat them so terribly. They\u2014\u00a0The word\u2019s well said, they treat them like a dog. Don\u2019t feed them, beat them, it\u2019s awful, awful, awful. (Pause) So I wish you people would say, Jim Jones has adopted eight children. Jim Jones helps everybody that comes to him. Jim Jones has never turned an older person away, he gives them a home, whether they have money or not. Jim Jones has never turned a little animal away<\/i> even. Jim Jones has done this, that, or the other. Jim Jones healed<\/i> me when doctors said I could not live. But you don\u2019t have to say he\u2019s God<\/i>. I\u2019ll tell you, when you do that outside, and cast those pearls outside, you are on an ego trip.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019re like a little child with\u2014 that used to play with a couple of toys. I got a better bicycle than you. And you trying to hurt<\/i> people, and there are a lot<\/i> of good people out there today that are in the churches of this town that don\u2019t<\/i> like these preachers, that know<\/i> that they\u2019re living a lie, saying Jesus is coming soon and having anniversaries planned from one year to the next, having to have Cadillacs and tailored clothes. They won\u2019t dress like me. They sure won\u2019t<\/i> dress in used clothes and hole-y shoes. They won\u2019t dress like that. And there\u2019s a lot of people that would come<\/i> here, but you have scared them away, because you don\u2019t live the life, you don\u2019t show concern, and the first thing you say to them, he\u2019s God. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If somebody come up to me on the street and say, there\u2019s a man over there that\u2019s God, I\u2019d think they were kooky<\/i>. (Pause) But after awhile, if I saw a good neighbor that helped people out, and took the stranger in, and was neighborly, to help in every emergency, and kind and gracious and smiling and friendly and helpful, I wouldn\u2019t care if they believed the totem<\/i> pole was God, I\u2019d go look to see what they had.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Why do you suppose Jesus said, Go tell no man. [He] Said I\u2019m the only God there is. But he said, go tell no man. (Voice lowers) Why do you suppose he said it? (Pause) \u2018Cause he knew that that wasn\u2019t the way, even in his<\/i> understanding, and he said, this is a greater day than his, he said, after he went away, these things shall you do and greater<\/i>. He said, everybody after him would be greater. But he<\/i> had more sense than that. (Pause) Well, I know I\u2019ve really made some people angry. (Short laugh) I can tell. You can always tell by the quiet, quiet manner that\u2019s in the congregation. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Pause, then light clapping<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Listen, I want to tell you the facts. I don\u2019t want you to tell anybody<\/i>, anyone else that I\u2019m a savior. I\u2019m working night<\/i> and day, sleeping no time \u2014 ask the people \u2014 getting\u2014\u00a0when I lay down on a davenport or bed or floor, it\u2019s dawn. Emergencies of every variety\u2014 I was with Tim Stoen on three<\/i> calls this morning, helping somebody\u2019s life out of misery. The assistant district attorney that\u2019s a member of our church. I don\u2019t want<\/i> to be God to anybody else. Do you understand? I\u2019ve got enough children. Don\u2019t make me God to anybody else<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And all God meant was Jesus said, when they took him away to crucify him, he said, ye all<\/i> are gods. He said, why do you cru\u2014\u00a0stone me, what for\u2014 He didn\u2019t know why. He said, why do you do it? For what good work. [They] Said, none. Because you being a man make yourself god. [He] Said it is written, (deliberate) ye all are gods. Gods, humanism, the highest developed refinement in the superego, the most conscious love, that is God. God means good<\/i>. We want people to recognize that (Breathless) they are God<\/i>. And quit worshipping the sky, because the rich, the oppressors, the international bankers will use<\/i> that to tell you to quit<\/i> working against injustice, because (sings) by and by, when the morning comes, when all the saints of God are gathered home. (Conversational tone) You know, (unintelligible word), uh, you know, as Mark Twain said, people are always talking about going up there and singing 10,000 years, (Sings) Amazing Grace, when we\u2019ve been there 10,000 years, we\u2019ll have no less days to sing God\u2019s praise. (Conversational tone) Mark Twain said, now let me tell you, you can\u2019t get a man in church, he\u2019s uncomfortable after twenty minutes, and he\u2019s going to stand up there and sing Amazing Grace for 10,000 years? [He] Said, that\u2019s a lie, and you know it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But we\u2014\u00a0we go on with that nonsense, you know, so, and we must\u2014 we must termina4e someplace. I do<\/i> hope I have an understanding how many will tell the works, as a key to life, twenty a day, but how many will tell the works instead of who you think I am. (Pause) Tell<\/i> the works. (Pause) Show<\/i> the fruits in your own life. But then<\/i> I\u2019m going to ask you, if you\u2019re a gossip<\/i> and a troublemaker and a grouch, don\u2019t tell anything.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Affirmation and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If you don\u2019t pay your bills and don\u2019t keep your word, you lie faster than a horse can trot, just keep your mouth shut.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Tell them Presidick\u2014 President [Richard] Nixon is God and\u2014<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You know, I feel even compassion for that poor man, \u2018cause I think we got a pig in a poke. It made us think we got some help, and we\u2019re in more trouble than we were. And Mr. Rockefeller\u2019s even more trouble than Mr. Nixon. I told you he\u2019d be cre\u2014 he\u2019d be coming on the scene, and you\u2019re in more trouble with Mr. Rockefeller than you are with Mr. Nixon. I don\u2019t take any pride that the man is going to die, a defeated, demoralized man. It\u2019s a powerful, powerful monetary interest and conspiracy that can cause a man with the power that he<\/i> had to be put out of office. Awful powerful. (Pause) So I don\u2019t take any delight in it, I\u2019m sorry that he\u2019s going through the hell that he\u2019s going through. But that\u2019s the world. (Pause) Anyone else has any question about anything I preached? We understand it? (Pause) By the way, how many feel we should<\/i> have closed meetings? (Pause) How many feel we should not<\/i> have? This is democracy<\/i>. You have a right to express yourself. Well, we have an agnostic and a believer speaking. One who believes I\u2019m almighty God, one who\u2019s an agnostic socialist, and the conservative over here. So we ought to hear from the three of you. Grace [Stoen], Sister Cox, and this good brother [Robert] Rankin, we ought to hear from you. You don\u2019t believe in church, and so if you<\/i> can say you think we ought to have clo\u2014\u00a0ought to have closed meetings, we sure<\/i> ought to hear from you. (Laughs) \u2018Cause he don\u2019t believe in church. (Pause) Yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/b> Uhh. (Clears throat) Father, I was saying that uh, that all the members we got at all the churches, if we all get together like I did in the thirties, and where they\u2019d know\u2014 you know, I didn\u2019t know what I know now<\/i>, I think we can really get the program over. If every member in each\u2014 in each block get together and start thinking<\/i> and start doing<\/i>, and give up some of the things they have at home, TV\u2019s and things and phones and things, I<\/i> think that we will get the job done<\/i>, Father, and you won\u2019t have<\/i> to do that extra<\/i> job, because that extra<\/i> job causes extra people come in there unnecessarily. Maybe I\u2019m saying wrong, but if I am, you can straighten me out.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, you\u2019re\u2014 you\u2019re\u2014 This is a how\u2014\u00a0this is a hall of democracy, where the spirit of our god is, (unintelligible word) liberty.<\/p>\n

Single voice:<\/b> Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So you have a right to speak your expression and, you\u2019re a tremendous woman of faith. This woman was dead, the doctors gave her no hope, her heart had been stopped for three<\/i> hours, the right lateral side of it, but I<\/i> told her she would live.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>More than that, they wouldn\u2019t take her in the hospital because of the color of her skin in Chicago, till I promised to pay, and did. First day\u2019s bill was thousand dollars and eighty-one cents\u2014\u00a0thousand dollars and eighty-one\u2014 one thousand eighty-one and some cents. (Pause) Then I sent Sister Jones. That\u2019s why you ought<\/i> to stand by that woman. She took all<\/i> of her vacation days to stay with her\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/b> She did\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014Till she got her on that uh, uh, plane and brought her back, to see her back home safe and sound. And then you<\/i> don\u2019t stand with uh, when Sister Jones is in this congregation, when she gave her vacation<\/i> days to stand with her, and was proud<\/i> to do it, because you\u2019re a beautiful<\/i> soul, but I tell you, it is disgraceful when you don\u2019t stand behind her, because she\u2019s a wonderful mother to you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Affirmation and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/b> Uh, Father, they probably don\u2019t understand what I mean, but I mean, get out and work. When you see something (balance of sentence under Jones\u2019 interruption)\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I know what you mean, because you\u2019ve done it.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/b> These people here don\u2019t understand what I\u2019m saying, but perhaps maybe you can explain it better than I<\/i> can. Also, I did the same thing in Boston, Massachusetts<\/i>. We set the whole uh\u2014 during the wartime, we was in the laundry, and that\u2019s a (unintelligible word; foreign?), you know that\u2014 what that is. We shut the whole laundry<\/i> down because we all<\/i> got together. Those [that] didn\u2019t get together, brother, we got them on the end. \u2018Cause we won<\/i>. And I mean, with the bigshots was there, paying out the money, didn\u2019t want to pay us any money, and we sure\u2014 put all the, all the linen in the machines and shut the machines down and let them cook<\/i> them up. So they had to still pay us, plus buy more linen.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice rises throughout) She fought unjust practices in the welfare department, and got it changed firsthand, without education. She can\u2019t read nor write. That\u2019s what it takes. They\u2019re creeping over this land, tax\u2014\u00a0taxing the small business out of existence. OSHA, its laws, till uh, the small businessman can\u2019t exist, the small property owner. Said on the TV this morning, in another year, it will be impossible for a young couple to buy a property, and yet [former California Governor Ronald] Reagan gets by and leaders get by without paying their income taxes. People go to jail for three years, like we have 15 years, this man last evening, for an unjust crime, for taking some food<\/i>, and then Mr. Nixon robs the entire Treasury of the United States department, using it for dirty tricks, even to bring down Mrs. Hunt\u2019s plane in Chicago, it was brought out by the man that left the CIA and told all, and all those people were murdered, while the Treasury agents went through the plane and the CIA agents went through the plane. They were burning, and they didn\u2019t try to get them out, they just wanted to get the papers that she had. (Pause) All that money, every bank\u2014\u00a0You might say he robbed every<\/i> bank in America. And then gets pardoned? (Pause) It is time the little people got together.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Voices too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, now, and I do wish to hear and cl\u2014\u00a0And this is so<\/i> long, but I do wish to hear the opposition, the three opposed to closing our meetings. Sister Cox.<\/p>\n

Cox:<\/b> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shh! Wait, wait. (Movement of microphone distorts short sentence) (Pause) Sister Cox.<\/p>\n

Cox:<\/b> I said I felt\u2014 I felt that there\u2019s too many younger people out in the streets and uh, senior citizens that are looking for what we<\/i> have. If we close it, then what do they have? (Pause) I mean, wha\u2014 you know, how are they going to find<\/i> it, if we close it?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2014 I concur wholeheartedly, but if someone comes in here before we get ourselves st\u2014 together and in the place of refuge, because, really, I hear both the conservatives<\/i> saying\u2014 (Pause) I know<\/i> that both conservatives of being the personal<\/i> friend of the rancher next to us, Mr. Heddy, who\u2019s the secretary of the John Birch Society, and I know the conservatives\u2019 Independent Action, and I know the\u2014 (Pause) you know, the nonviolent left, all<\/i> say that we\u2019re going to have concentration camps, and all this bugging system, as you heard, our head of our justice commission, that goes in the courts when they set people beside us, when we defend<\/i> someone\u2019s rights with a radio on them, I\u2014\u00a0I mean a transmitter on them, in their socks<\/i>\u2014 (Pause) Uh, we are having\u2014 with all the police agents, and I don\u2019t mean police in a negative word, because we believe in law and order, but law and order for everyone<\/i>. Law and order in the streets<\/i>, and law and order in the suites<\/i>. But I\u2019m tired of hearing all this talk about law and order in the streets<\/i> without any law and order up there in the Washington suites<\/i>. (Pause) But anyhow, you\u2019re taking a great chance to speak your liberty in this assembly in front of people in this age. If you wish to get to the Promised Land, and uh, be ready for the time when America is<\/i> prepared to resist totalitarianism\u2014 be sure that you come to this film, by the way, they\u2014 they have it, they announced, someplace, Big Brother, I don\u2019t know where I put it\u2014 Yes, thank you. Movie, 1984<\/i>. There\u2019ll be a banquet dinner for Jonestown. The president of that free country has named it Jonestown, as you know. (Reads) The menu will be baked or barbecue hens, wild rice, green beans, peas and carrots, fresh tossed salad, Jell-O fruit salad, varieties of cakes of all sorts, peach cobbler, and various punch and non\u2014 non-caffeine coffees. These tickets will go to help Brother Ijames, who\u2019s standing to my right, to get the equipment to build our agriculture\u2014\u00a0agricultural community, who\u2019s one of the\u2014\u00a0He was a pioneer and coordinator of the Promised Land. That will be\u2014\u00a0what date is that? Is the date set? November first<\/i>. So be sure to get tickets, will you? There are different tickets for children, children\u2019s tickets are only seventy-seven cents. So help<\/i> the cause with that.<\/p>\n

Now that is my<\/i> thinking, but your thinking\u2019s right, love. Yesterday, I found a poor lad on the streets, and I gave him some food, and he was helpless, homeless, despaired, but so paranoid. He said, why are you helping me? (Pause) I said, young man, I\u2019m a minister. He said, I don\u2019t believe anybody helps anybody without a reason. I said, well, just come to the church door, or call even some of our professional people, and I gave the name of the Assistant District Attorney, gave him Reverend Ijames\u2019 and Reverend [Bill] Purifoy\u2019s num\u2014 name here, said, you can call them. He did not call, and yet I know he\u2019s near death. He was so far out on drugs, he\u2019s near death. I don\u2014 I don\u2019t know. There\u2019s a\u2014 (stumbles over words) It is<\/i> true, that this is the only refuge<\/i>, we, uh, we\u2019ve gotten all<\/i> of our young people off of drugs. The government\u2014\u00a0federal program\u2014 before he was dismissed, said the\u2014\u00a0Van Dusen said that it was the greatest drug rehabilitation program in America. (Pause) So you bring a good point. And the opposition has spoken\u2014\u00a0one of them. Now let\u2019s hear the next one that\u2019s opposed to closing the meetings.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> Uh, Father, the reason I s\u2014\u00a0didn\u2019t vote, I know when we’re having our business meetings, we shouldn\u2019t have no guests or nobody\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> \u2014in our business meeting<\/i>. But I didn\u2019t vote, because I know their\u2014 that their house of God look like people could come to church some time. But I don\u2019t invite nobody<\/i>, white or colored. I don\u2019t\u2014 I don\u2019t invite \u2018em here. But I just speak abou4 the work that you do, the good works, but that\u2019s all, I don\u2019t tell nobody to come here. And this\u2014 I\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0I\u2019ll get this out while I\u2019m here, saying this.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, if you just\u2014 You made a good point there, dear, if you would just stick it to that, and you made a very good point\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> Yes\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014that the house should be open, if it\u2019s a church, open to people, all people\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014and that is the truth<\/i>. Maybe we should consider changing it from a church. But that\u2019s very difficult and very dangerous<\/i>, in that if we change it to church, we will not have been\u2014 be able to utilize<\/i> what we now have. Many churches do close their doors, however, to people. The Mormons have a very definite practice, that blacks cannot even enter their temple or become members of the priesthood. We<\/i> do not discriminate based on color. As many people of one race as another are turned away here, and asked to come back at another time, and are given later invitations, if<\/i> they are unprejudiced<\/i>. We do<\/i> not invite prejudiced people back.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> You know, I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If they openly admit they have prejudice. But it is a problem there that\u2019s represented, that we are, being a church, having to close the doors. We didn\u2019t used<\/i> to do that. But we\u2019ve have people come in and plant bombs<\/i>, we\u2019ve had people come in and try to do physical harm\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> I know. I know. Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We had the man that came in with the submachine gun. If I hadn\u2019t had a revelation\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> That\u2019s right. Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And I\u2014 we\u2019ve never used violence against them, until that time. We did give him a good shellacking. And I think, in spite of it, I think Jesus must have had something when he throwed the money-changers out, \u2018cause when\u2014 we haven\u2019t had nobody<\/i> come back in with a gun, since I\u2014 since we gave him a good shellacking. And the custodian wasn\u2019t even a member of our church, and white, and he said, give it to him more. (Pause) So, uh, I think there comes a time when you got to speak<\/i> to people that want to do harm. If he\u2019da shot that gun through this church, there\u2019da be 25 people, at least, that have got a bullet in them, \u2018cause it was an automatic weapon that would\u2019ve fired 25 times.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> I\u2019m not against that. That\u2019s right. I know<\/i> you\u2019re right. Whatever you said is right. But just one thing I want to say before I sit down.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> I\u2019m thanking you for the Peoples Temple people, all<\/i> of them in here. And all of them that work<\/i> with me, and all of them that helped me, because I\u2014 I couldn\u2019t make it by myself, the journey by myself. And uh\u2014 (Aside) You don\u2019t tell me what to say, sister.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Tentative laughter<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> Don\u2019t tell me. I gets tired of people trying to tell me what to say. I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If God can\u2019t tell her what to say, dear, you know you won\u2019t be able to.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> I thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> Just leave me alone.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> (Voice rises) I thank you for what you blesses me with. But it\u2019s the Peoples Temple than gives me this money. And it\u2019s the People Temple that help me bag up this money, ask for this money. The other time, I turn in more, but I thank you to turn in fifty dollars today. (Pause) All gleaners, for gleaners.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Tentative applause<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> I took up this project, because I\u2019m not able to work, I\u2019m not able to cook and sell and do like some are doing, but I\u2019ll took this up to try to help the cause. And you really blesses me with it. \u2018Cause just Sunday before last, our church is 74, but this day, I\u2019m turning you 50. And I thank you for it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> I ain\u2019t doing this to be seen, but I want the people to know that the money they giving me, that I am turning it in<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause (Pause)<\/p>\n

Unknown male voice (Jones?): <\/b>(Unintelligible phrase)<\/p>\n

[The audio for this tape continues two-thirds the way through Q 218<\/a>.]<\/i><\/p>\n

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