{"id":27340,"date":"2013-06-16T00:19:32","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:19:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27340"},"modified":"2014-04-06T21:50:04","modified_gmt":"2014-04-06T21:50:04","slug":"q135","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27340","title":{"rendered":"Q135 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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General hubbub. Takes place on a boat, with sounds of water periodically, and motor.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Angry) \u2014have a seat. The rivers are blocked to the rest<\/i> of my people. So, my God, if they won\u2019t let us all go, then none<\/i> of us go.<\/p>\n

Cheers. Barking dog.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Yes, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We have to stand here night and day to (unintelligible word) on them, goddamn them. They offered me<\/i> protection, they offered me<\/i> a way out. But I cannot go without you<\/i>. And there\u2019s no way we can get you out<\/i>, because the rivers are blocked<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>We wouldn\u2019t go without you, anyway.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>We wouldn\u2019t be here if it wasn\u2019t for you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s me they (tape edit), not you. They\u2019ll let me<\/i> get out. (Pause) They think I\u2019m\u2014\u00a0They don\u2019t understand what a socialist<\/i> is made of, that I would go any place without you.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Thank you, Father. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>But not you. And obviously I don\u2019t take that kind of offer.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>No, no.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(tape edit) \u2014a frame-up. They want a set-up. Already there\u2019s a whole host up\u2014 It\u2019s like opening a dike. We couldn\u2019t afford to let them take 20 or 30 of our people.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The next time they come back for 60<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The next time, it\u2019ll be all 700, or a thousand<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They offered me<\/i> a way out, but I say no<\/i>. Said I can go and get out, and get to Cuba, but they won\u2019t let us all<\/i> out. All of us can\u2019t get into Cuba. They must have known that\u2019s<\/i> true. (unintelligible sentences)<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>He don\u2019t want anyone going unless everybody going.<\/p>\n

General noise for few minutes<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>My family and a few others. But I say, if we can\u2019t all<\/i> be\u2014\u00a0get allowed into Cuba, then we\u2014\u00a0I will die here.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Right. Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>If any of you live<\/i>, if you are unfortunate enough to think of your miserable life to ask, you ask Charles Garry if that\u2019s not the truth.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>We believe you.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You ask him if that\u2019s not the truth. And Dr. Kahn, a delegate from the Soviet Union, the peace<\/i> counsel. We\u2014 They let me<\/i> and my<\/i> family get to Cuba, and a few<\/i> leaders, but no one else. And the rivers are blocked for the rest of us. The oceans are blocked to the rest of us. But our goddamned land \u2014\u00a0we fought<\/i> to build it, so we\u2019ll fight<\/i> to die<\/i> for it.<\/p>\n

Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And you\u2019re out there, sonabitches, start the first goddamn shot.<\/p>\n

Cheers.<\/p>\n

(Pause) (Tape cuts off and on)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Cuba, my family, and my (unintelligible word) leaders, but the rest of you can\u2019t go<\/i>, I said to hell<\/i> with it.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019m not going without all of you.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Some of you are protesting that. I appreciate that, (unintelligible phrase) that I should go<\/i>, but I wouldn\u2019t be a leader worth to take a shit<\/i> if I did that. (Pause) (Unintelligible phrase) if I can\u2019t live for all of you. So no one\u2014 (tape edit) \u2014myself and anybody I wanted to save, my family, their wives and their children, and uh, all my leaders<\/i> that I wanted to. But they wouldn\u2019t let me save all<\/i> of you. That\u2019s the last\u2014<\/p>\n

(People talk over him)<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Thank you, Father. Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014Charles Garry. They make that offer with Dr. Kahn. (Tape edit) goddamn radio, make a phone patch to the United States. (Unintelligible word) I said, if they can\u2019t take all of us, they\u2019ll take none of us.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014 we have no place but to stand here, and I don\u2019t<\/i> want to go back to the fucking<\/i>, sucking United States.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We\u2019d only go back to our death anyway, from\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>No, no no.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014see that nobody moves (unintelligible phrase\u2014 sounds like “replace you”) because they won\u2019t let us all go.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right. Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014there\u2019s only one Communist survive, by God, and I\u2019ll die one.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Miserable sonabitches afraid to stand up to the United States. You have any doubt about it, and you survive (tape edit) Mr. Charles Garry said a few of\u2014\u00a0myself and a few of my trusted people, and my family, my children, my children and their wives, could go to Cuba. But all of you couldn\u2019t go. And I said, no, thank<\/i> you. Any leader that\u2019s worth anything stands with his people and dies<\/i> with all<\/i> of his people.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>So their offer has been declined<\/i>. If I\u2019m the only socialist<\/i> alive, then I\u2019ll die<\/i> a socialist.<\/p>\n

Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I hardly think that\u2019s true<\/i>, that I\u2019m the only one, but I know one thing. I\u2019ve not found any better one.<\/p>\n

Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, no, not one. I got a (unintelligible word\u2014 sounds like “girl”) coming with something big enough that we can all go together.<\/p>\n

Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They\u2019ve offered me and my family and just my in-laws and outlaws and a few leaders safer in Cuba, if I would go<\/i>, and leave the rest of you here. Do you hear what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s how treacherous the goddamn infamous bastards are. There doesn\u2019t seem to be much<\/i> true socialism<\/i>\u2014 everybody\u2019s bowing<\/i> to the United States imperialism, but by God<\/i>, we won\u2019t<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Cheer. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014Uganda, if Idi Amin will take us. I\u2019m asking if Libya will take us. But they\u2019ve got to come here and we\u2019ve got to all go out together, because I wouldn\u2019t trust them taking us 15 people at a time, they would do<\/i> some of us in, they\u2019ve got to\u2014 we\u2019ve got to all go out here together or we don\u2019t go.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>Don\u2019t go.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Made an appeal. I\u2019m doing everything short of dying. I\u2019ve made an appeal, that if they\u2019ll take us to Libya who\u2014\u00a0that stood up to America, if they\u2014 I\u2019m sending an appeal now, they\u2019ll take us to Libya or to Uganda or someplace and give us freedom, then we will go. But we have to all<\/i> go together.<\/p>\n

Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They won\u2019t c\u2014 come in parts, they\u2019ve got to have a ship down there and put us all<\/i> on that ship, and they got to have a ship out in the ocean, and all<\/i> of us have got to be on that ship, because I don\u2019t trust these people anymore.<\/p>\n

Cheers. Thank you Father. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014to die<\/i> for Guyana. We would have given our blood. No one would have crossed the borders, because we considered this to be a socialist country. And somehow it seems that many are more interested of the approval<\/i> of the special interest of the ruling class<\/i> in United States than they are standing up for socialism. So if that\u2019s the case, then we will die for what at least we have built here in this country.<\/p>\n

Right.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Segment 2: Radio room<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What?<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Oh, forget it. Go on. Continue.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Trying to take the child from the legal father who has the legal rights. (unintelligible sentences) we got another 17,500.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible) the district attorney that knows that in a Guyana court, then we got another 10,000<\/i>. (unintelligible) minimum, 37,000 dollars. (Pause) Get whoever they send out here, maybe try to kidnap the child?<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible exchange)<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Segment 3: Crisis Broadcast<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014 promise, that this, this would not happen<\/i>, that no one would be taken<\/i>, that we would have complete sanctuary here. We were also given the promise of Dr. [Ptolemy] Reid [Deputy Prime Minister of Guyana]. I cannot imagine<\/i> him, that they have gone back on their word, but I also don\u2019t understand why they did not call you. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Static <\/b>Reply unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You understand how this country works<\/i>, or any socialist country works, this would not have happened. The Minister of Justice [Shahabadeen, Mohammed] can stop this from happening.<\/p>\n

Static<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And I can be arrested any moment.<\/p>\n

Static<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And if you\u2014 if you don\u2019t get control of your emotions, you can destroy the greatest decision in history. We are asking for asylum for all <\/i>of you people and our<\/i> people. We want asylum in any country that will give us the right to build in peace. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Static <\/b>(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Nothing more, nothing less. That\u2019s all. We\u2019re just saying that we will not allow any of our people to be taken, and of course, we cannot wait here endlessly<\/i>, endlessly, because we have only so much food and so much resources. Do you copy?<\/p>\n

Static <\/b>(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We are not insane people. We\u2019re people who live by pacifism, obviously wi\u2014 that\u2019s the way we chose it when we turn people away from our gates. We could have taken hostages<\/i>, we could have done any number<\/i> of things. But we do<\/i> have the right to die, and everyone made that decision. Anyone that wanted not<\/i> to was given permit\u2014 permission to leave. But we will<\/i> die unless we are given freedom from harassment, and given asylum, somewhere. Tanzania, Libya, even Uganda. That chap seems to have enough strength to stand up for what he believes. We want someplace where we can live in peace<\/i>. That\u2019s all we\u2019ve asked. We don\u2019t want any \u2014 be a political pressure, we don\u2019t want political power, we\u2019ve been building this community, as I look out over it, it\u2019s the most fantastic thing, and everyone that visits<\/i> it say it\u2019s a\u2014 we\u2019ve made<\/i> this part of the country, we\u2019ve enriched<\/i> it by everything that\u2019s growing and all these beautiful buildings, and our medical clinic, and our lovely homes. But if we cannot have this peace here, we want it somewhere, and we want it very soon.<\/p>\n

Static <\/b>(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Get [San Francisco Chronicle<\/i> columnist] Herb Caen, he\u2019s at least been more honest than some (laughs), get Dr. [Carlton] Goodlett [publisher of the San Francisco Sun-Reporter<\/i>], get people that have got some character, that you know, there are people on the Chronicle<\/i>, you ask for who you want. (Tape edit) Where\u2019s [Mike] Prokes, where\u2019s\u2014 (Tape edit) We\u2014 we\u2014 we\u2014 we\u2014 certain people. I wish to see\u2014 I want Steve Gavin and I want\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Bob Levaree\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Bob Levaree, and I want that nice chap that said he would try to get the truth out, and I saved his family when they were persecuted many many years ago, he was just a youngster, I can\u2019t think of his name.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Dean Galbreath. (name repeated several times)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ben\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Dean Galbreath.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Dean Cal\u2014 Galbreath. And we want Katy Butler from the Examiner<\/i> (tape edit) the chap that I know is the (tape edit) Rauol Ramirez. Rauol Ramirez. Do you copy? (tape edit) And Fleming of course. And there\u2019s\u2014 that, that chap that did print the right side of what we were doing for young people. I don\u2019t mind if he comes. (tape edit) \u2014 right. Do you copy? (tape edit) And Skimmerhorn. Skimmerhorn.<\/p>\n

Prokes: <\/b>Some of these names are listed in my book.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Some of them are listed in Mike\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes: <\/b>Green metal book<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014 Prokes\u2019 green metal book. Art Silverman. Do you copy? (tape edit) \u2014 the networks and everyone. Because I will answer every<\/i> charge, every one of their abominable charges, the only reason I didn\u2019t do it was because of what the attorney advised, because he felt they wouldn\u2019t do it justice. (tape edit)\u2014 was just a promise. We were informed that they could come any time to be arresting me.<\/p>\n

Static<\/b> (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We will attempt it. We will attempt it. We are peaceful people, but we do not know how they will come in. They came in, in the most obnoxious fashion yesterday, but I was not here. Do you copy? (tape edit) They used a, a Guyana Defense Force plane, they\u2019re giving great<\/i> dignity to these people who\u2019ve spoken so evil of Guyana (tape edit) socialism, and cooperated\u2014 this counselor that\u2019s cooperated with that criminal, Mrs. Grace Stoen. Believe me, I also offered to be arrested, but the people voted unanimously not to let me go.<\/p>\n

People in radio room: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019m glad to go.<\/p>\n

People in radio room: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019m glad to go.<\/p>\n

People in radio room: <\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No problem about it, Marceline. I\u2019m glad to be arrested.<\/p>\n

People in radio room: <\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Life has no meaning other than principle, and I could<\/i> not let this child go to her. She, by his own testimony<\/i>, but his own testimony from his heart \u2014 when I asked him if he wanted to go back with<\/i> her, it would be all right with me, I wanted him happy, he told me some of the most horrible<\/i> things she did that you could ever imagine, that she did to him and said to him.<\/p>\n

Static<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I don\u2019t want to believe it either. But you should have been called. You\u2014 They should have honored your call. When\u00a0I was\u2014\u00a0The order for arrest came today with an improper hearing. I was not served. I wasn\u2019t even here<\/i> when they served papers. The whole process of habeas corpus was illegal\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>According to Lionel Luckhoo.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014according to the most eminent authority here, who\u2019s been very kind and has given us free counsel, Lionel Luckhoo, a very eminent jurist attorney here. This was totally<\/i> illegal, and even our regular counsel for business affairs, Mr. Clark, has said the same, that this is an illegal thing. And, I don\u2019t want to name names for harassment, but some, as I said, powerful influences have to be behind this, or bribery. (tape edit) I will\u2014\u00a0I have never had more calm, I want peace<\/i> for my children, I want them to live<\/i>, I want them to have a future<\/i>. They\u2019re wanting to die<\/i> too quickly, some of them. I<\/i> am the one that\u2019s holding back. Here is your son. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Are you sure?<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted January 1999<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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