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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Song 1:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Woman 1<\/b> sings \u201cThat\u2019s the Way of the World,\u201d by Earth Wind & Fire)<\/p>\n

\u2013\u2019cause the world seems cold
\nStay young at heart, and you\u2019re never never never never old
\nThat\u2019s the way of the world, yeah yeah
\nHearts of fire creates love desire
\nHearts of fire to your love desire
\nHearts of fire to your place on the throne
\nYou will find that\u2019s the way of the world of the world
\nHearts of fire create love desire
\nHearts of fire.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Man 1<\/b>: \u2013for medical attention, having the fear of black lung disease that kill most miners in their mid-forties. It costs a lot of money for doctors, and us miners still can\u2019t get insurance. I\u2019ve worked in the mines all my life, some twenty-odd years, and my family lived in fear that each day when I would go to the mines, that I might never return home alive. And my dad didn\u2019t one day. I still miss the old home place, because the city\u2019s sure no easy place to earn a living, especially when you\u2019re like me, all I know to do is work in the mines, and even that\u2019s no easy job with the poor working conditions. Lots didn\u2019t even eat breakfast in the morning because I\u2019d just vomit it up from laying on my back and crawling on my knees in that dirty old mine. We walked out on strike, protesting poor working conditions and no insurance benefits and low pay, but with no help from the unions and our family\u2019s facing starvation, we were forced to return to the mines. I wonder where it will all end. When will people start caring for one another? I believe that\u2019s<\/i> the answer. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man 2<\/b>: The house I live in. These bars of steel. They\u2019re designed to break my spirit and destroy my mind<\/i>. But they only serve to make me stronger. And more<\/i> determined to defeat my enemy. The ruling fascist elite has ruled me a political<\/i> prisoner, and has thrown me amongst the ranks of the forgotten, expecting never to hear from me again. But being here only gives me more time to plan my next move. (Pause) Inside these walls, there\u2019s a whole different kind of world. A world where power is absolute, and the actions of the pigs<\/i> that run this place are never<\/i> questioned. No one on the outside could ever imagine the mass genocide of our people that goes on in here. Remember Attica. Remember George Jackson. Remember the Wilmington 10. Remember all of our brothers and sisters that have been tortured and murdered and buried within these walls. And remember, this house is only able to stand because you<\/i> dare not speak out in the face of truth. So speak out<\/i>. It may be you<\/i> the next time.<\/p>\n

(feedback and static)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Song 2:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Man 3<\/b> sings, \u201cA Change is Gonna Come,\u201d by Sam Cooke)<\/p>\n

\u2013by the river in a little tent, yes I was,
\nAnd just like the river
\nI\u2019ve been a-runnin\u2019 ever since
\nIt\u2019s been a long, a long time comin\u2019
\nBut I know a change is gonna come
\nIt\u2019s been a long time comin\u2019
\nBut I know a change is gonna come
\nWhen I go to my brother and I say, \u201cBrother, help me please\u201d
\nAnd he winds up\u2013 And he winds up knocking me,
\nKnocking me to my my my my my my my my my my knees
\nWhoa
\nThere\u2019ve been times that I\u2019ve thought woo-oo
\nI couldn\u2019t last\u2013 I couldn\u2019t last too long
\nIt\u2019s been a long, a long time comin\u2019
\nBut I know change is gonna come
\nYes it is<\/p>\n

(Spoken) A knock comes to my<\/i> door. (Pause) And who turns out to be, a human just like you and me. And I\u2019m bitter<\/i>. Each day my bitterness grows deeper<\/i> and deeper<\/i> as I search for reasons to what we were really fighting for. You see, I volunteered my life to fight in the war, a war that was supposed to guarantee freedom for my people here at home, that they would have a better life, and I\u2019m bitter<\/i>. It was not<\/i> the Vietnamese, it was not<\/i> the Japanese, it was not<\/i> the Communist who pulled a gun on my mother because she was one minute late for work in the fields. No, she had a sick baby at home to care for. And oh,<\/p>\n

(sings) There\u2019ve been times that I\u2019ve thought
\nI couldn\u2019t last\u2013 I couldn\u2019t last too long
\nIt\u2019s been a long time coming
\nBut I know change is gonna come, yes it is.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Song 3:<\/i><\/p>\n

Woman 2<\/b>: (Song in Spanish composed by Chilean poet Victor Jara [Complete words<\/a> and Music<\/a>])<\/p>\n

El derecho de vivir
\nEl poeta Ho Chi Minh que golpea de Viethnam a toda la humanidad
\nNing\u00fan ca\u00f1\u00f3n borrar\u00e1
\nCadena que har\u00edan triunfar el derecho de vivir en paz
\nT\u00edo Ho, nuestra canci\u00f3n es puro fuego de amor
\nEs palomo palomar
\nOlivo de olivarEs el canto universal
\nCadenas que har\u00edan triunfar el derecho de vivir en paz
\nEl derecho de vivir en paz.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Man 1<\/b>: \u2013I\u2019m being asked, what false figures and doctored statistics must I feed into this computer so that it will give the generals the excuse<\/i> that they need to carry on a war that not only can\u2019t<\/i> be won, but should not be won. What is the morality of trying to destroy a brave people, the Vietnamese, whose belief in their cause is so<\/i> strong that they fight back harder, with firmer<\/i> resolve each time that their land and their babies are blown up by America\u2019s bombs. Beautiful land. Precious babies. I\u2019ve seen<\/i> them. Human beings, so proud and so bold, and yet we call them gooks, because it\u2019s so much easier, don\u2019t you know, to drop napalm on gooks<\/i> than it is on human beings. What kind of vicious inhumanity is this? What kind of sick<\/i> and depraved minds would look at persons as if they were things<\/i>? This<\/i> is racism, like the world has never known before. And you want me to tell you this war can be won? It\u2019s already lost. It was lost long before it was started. It was lost<\/i>, America, when you told that poor young black man whom you wouldn\u2019t provide a job for that you would pay him to fight. You gave him no choice, and then you lied<\/i> to him. You told<\/i> him he was gonna fight for someone else\u2019s<\/i> freedom, when he did not have his own. And now he\u2019s dead. You<\/i> killed him, America, and you don\u2019t even care. God damn you, America, and God damn<\/i> your system<\/i>, your war<\/i>, and your men who created it. God damn<\/i> you, Secretary Rusk [former U.S. Secretary of State Dean Rusk] and Secretary McNamara [former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara], for lying<\/i> to the people to hide the death and destruction<\/i> you cause, and God damn you<\/i>, General [Maxwell] Taylor and General [William] Westmoreland. I charge<\/i> you with the premeditated<\/i> murder of innocent babies, whose blood drips from your<\/i> hands, and God damn you<\/i>, President [Lyndon] Johnson, you<\/i> who could\u2019ve stopped it all, but kept it going, because you didn\u2019t want to look weak<\/i>, or admit you were wrong. You blinded<\/i> yourself to the tortures<\/i> and suffering<\/i>, all because you wanted to perpetuate your immoral and corrupt power. And you want me to feed your statistics into this computer? I\u2019ll feed it all right, but I\u2019ll feed it with the truth. And I\u2019ll take the truth that comes out, the truth which reveals America\u2019s committing one of the greatest atrocities in the history of mankind. I\u2019ll take<\/i> that truth, and expose it to the world.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Song 4:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Duet of women singing, most lyrics unintelligible with reverbs and overlapping vocals)<\/p>\n

Brothers in the sun
\n(unintelligible lines)
\nPeople running from the law
\n(unintelligible lines)
\nAnd they make me get the feeling
\n(unintelligible lines)
\nKids playing in the street
\nStealing just for fun
\nArrest one (unintelligible line)
\nThey got you on the run.<\/p>\n

(two women overlap)<\/p>\n

No, no, I said, don\u2019t you worry
\nGonna talk about worry
\nNo, no, white man, don\u2019t you worry
\nOf what I\u2019m a gonna do
\nWorry, worry, worry, worry, don\u2019t you worry.
\nWorry, worry, no no no, don\u2019t you worry.<\/p>\n

Song 5:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Woman 5<\/b> sings \u201cNever Can say Goodbye,\u201d by the Jackson 5)<\/p>\n

I never can say goodbye
\nNo, no, no no, I never can say goodbye
\nEvery time I think I\u2019ve given up
\nAnd start heading for the door
\nI get this very strange vibration
\nIt seems to call me back for more
\nIt says turn around you fool,
\nYou know you love him more
\nAnd more
\nTell me why is it so?<\/p>\n

Never can say goodbye
\nNo no no no I never can say goodbye
\nEvery time I think I\u2019ve given up
\nAnd start heading for the door
\nI get this very strange vibration
\nIt seems to call me back for more
\nIt says turn around you fool,
\nYou know you love him more
\nAnd more
\nTell me why is it so?<\/p>\n

Don\u2019t want to let you go
\nI never can say goodbye, girl
\nI never can say goodbye
\nNo no no no no no no no no, hey
\nI never say goodbye, girl
\nI never can say goodbye
\nNo no no<\/p>\n

Never can say goodbye
\nNo no no no I never can say goodbye
\nEvery time I think I\u2019ve given up
\nAnd start heading for the door
\nI get this very strange vibration
\nIt seems to call me back for more
\nIt says turn around you fool,
\nYou know you love him more
\nAnd more
\nTell me why is it so?<\/p>\n

Don\u2019t want to let you go
\nI never can say goodbye, girl
\nI never can say goodbye
\nNo no no no no no no no no no no
\nHey, I never say goodbye, girl
\nI never can say goodbye
\nNo no no no no no no no no no no
\nHey, I never can say goodbye, girl
\nI never can say goodbye<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/b> Ka\u2019ba, by Amiri Raraka<\/p>\n

[Woman recites variation of the poem \u201cKa\u2019ba,\u201d by Amiri Raraka]<\/p>\n

A closed window looks down
\non a dirty courtyard, and black people
\ncall across or walk across or scream across
\ndefying physics in the stream of their will
\nOur world is full of sound
\nOur world is more lovely than anyone\u2019s
\nthough we suffer and kill each other
\nand sometimes fail to walk the air
\nWe are beautiful people
\nwith African imaginations
\nfull of masks, eyes, arms and noses,
\nthough we sprawl in gray chains in a place
\nfull of winters, when what we want is sun
\nWe have been captured,
\nbrothers. And we labor
\nto make our getaway,
\ninto the ancient image, into a new
\ncorrespondence with ourselves
\nand our black family. Now we need magic
\nnow we need the spells, to rise up
\nreturn, destroy, and create. What will
\nthe sacred words be?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Emcee:<\/b> And now, ladies and gentlemen, it is comedy time right here at Jonestown. She is 77 years old, and every bone in her body that works. Let\u2019s give a round of applause for the Jonestown Moms Mabley [likely Bertha Cook]. Woo! Come on.<\/p>\n

Moms:<\/b> Hey, hey hey. Hey, hey hey. (Pause) Ain\u2019t nothing jumping but the peas in the pot. Now they wouldn\u2019t jump if the water wasn\u2019t hot. I\u2019m limited tonight to just three of them, three little ones. Well, I want you to know, it was a surprise to me today. I picked up an old box of Ex-Lax. And ate the whole box. Didn\u2019t nobody tell me that wasn\u2019t all chocolate. (Pause) Now there was a young man that went to the city. And he wanted to get a date. So he had plenty money, and he knew he was\u2013 he was on the ball. So he went up to a fellow on the street and said look, said, I\u2019d like to know where I could find some girls. So the fellow says, I know exactly where you can go too. Ya see that house down on the corner. You go down there and you do exactly<\/i> what the instructions tell you to do. So he went down, and in the living room he saw a little po\u2013\u00a0a little card that said, Take off your\u2013 (pause) Take your billfold out and put it on the table. Take off all your diamonds. Lay them here too. And go to the next room. (Pause) So he did what the note said, and he went on. When he got to the next room, the note says, take off your tie. Take off your suit and your shirt. Go to the next<\/i> room. (Pause) So when he got to the third room, the note says, take off your shoes and your shock\u2013 socks and your underwear, and proceed. (Pause) So he went\u2013 He did that and then he went through the door. And he found himself standing in the alley.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Moms: <\/b>Well, the door closed real fast behind him. And he looked, and it said, you just been screwed.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Moms: <\/b>Bye! (Pause)<\/p>\n

Emcee:<\/b> That\u2019s Moms Mabley. One more time for Moms Mabley.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Song 6:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Woman 7<\/b> sings variation of \u201cLove ballad\u201d by K-ci & jojo)<\/p>\n

I have never been so much
\nIn love, before
\nWhat a difference, a true love made in my life
\nSo nice, so right
\nJonestown gave me something new
\nThat I\u2019ve never felt, never dreamed of
\nSomething\u2019s changed
\nThough it\u2019s not the feeling I had before
\nOh, no now,
\nWhat we have it\u2019s much more than they could see
\nLove, I never knew so much
\nCould mean so much
\nWhat a difference
\nAnd we walk hand in hand
\nI feel so (unintelligible word)
\nTill Jim Jones gave me something new
\nThat I\u2019ve never felt, never dreamed of
\nSomething changed
\nThough it\u2019s not the feeling I had before
\nOh, no now,
\nWhat we have it\u2019s much more than they could see
\nWhat we have now
\nWhat we have it\u2019s much more than they could see
\nWe got so much (unintelligible word)
\nWhat we have it\u2019s much more than they could see, now
\nWhat we have it\u2019s much more than they can see
\nWe got so much
\nWhat we have it\u2019s much more than they can see
\nThey can see
\nWhat we have it\u2019s much more than they can see
\nOh yeah, now
\nWhat we have now it\u2019s much more than they can see.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Spoken:<\/i> One more time<\/p>\n

Song 7:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Man 4<\/b> sings variation of \u201cHow deep is your love?\u201d by the BeeGees)<\/p>\n

(unintelligible phrase) sun
\nI feel you touch me in the pouring rain
\nAnd the moment that you wander far from me
\nI wanna feel you in my arms again
\nYeah, \u2018cause you may not feel that I care for you
\nKeep me warm in your love and then softly leave
\nAnd it\u2019s me you need to show
\nHow deep is your love
\nWhoa yeah
\nYou know it\u2019s me (unintelligible line)
\n’cause we’re living in a world of fools
\nBreaking us down
\nWhen they all should let us be
\nWe belong to you and me
\nI believe in you
\nYou know that love (unintelligible phrase)
\nAnd the light of my deepest darkest hour
\nYou\u2019re my savior when I fall
\nAnd you may not feel
\nThat I care for you
\nKeep me falling in love
\nThen you know I do
\nAnd it\u2019s me you need
\nHow deep is your love
\n(How deep is your love)
\n(How deep is your love)
\nYou know it\u2019s me (unintelligible line)
\n\u2018Cause we\u2019re living in a world of fools
\nBreaking us down
\nWhen they all should let us be
\nThey belong to you and me
\nLa-la-la
\n\u2018Cause it may not seem that I care for you
\nKeep me warm in your love
\nAnd you know I do
\nAnd it\u2019s me you need too
\nHow deep is your love
\n(How deep is your love)
\n(How deep is your love)
\nYou know it\u2019s me (unintelligible line)
\n\u2018Cause we\u2019re living in a world of fools
\nBreaking us down
\nAnd they all should let us be
\nBelong to you and me
\nWhoa yeah
\n\u2018Cause I\u2019m living in a world of fools
\nBreaking us down
\nWhen they all should let us be
\nThey belong to you and me
\nWhoa yeah
\nYou know it\u2019s me (unintelligible line)
\n\u2018Cause we\u2019re living in a world of fools
\nBreaking us down
\nWhen they all should let us be
\nThey belong to you and me<\/p>\n

Spoken:<\/i> Goodbye.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

(unintelligible phrase)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Song 8:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Marthea Hicks<\/b> sings \u201cLovers,\u201d covered by Natalie Cole)<\/p>\n

Everywhere I go, in every face I see the signs of love
\nShining oh so brightly, it\u2019s in the air, it\u2019s everywhere, I can feel it in my bones
\nPeople holding hands, making love, really, really getting it on
\nI\u2019m talkin\u2019 \u2018bout comrades, beautiful comrades,
\nAnd everywhere I go, I hear people say
\nThat they wouldn\u2019t mind checking it out, ah getting down
\nDon\u2019t you know that life can be beautiful, life can be wonderful when you
\nCan only have that special someone around,
\nI\u2019m talking \u2018bout comrades,
\nBeautiful comrades
\nLover, beautiful lover<\/p>\n

Spoken:<\/i> Diane Wilkinson on the piano, let\u2019s give her a hand<\/p>\n

Sings<\/i>: There\u2019s a feeling and it\u2019s catching
\nLook what\u2019s happenin\u2019
\n(unintelligible line)<\/p>\n

(sings scat)<\/p>\n

And it\u2019s catching, look what is happenin\u2019, look what\u2019s happenin\u2019
\nTake a trip, \u2018cause it\u2019s hip, and the trip
\nLovers, I\u2019m talking about lovers
\nLovers, beautiful lovers
\nBeautiful lovers
\nLovers, beautiful lovers
\nLovers<\/p>\n

Spoken:<\/i> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Song 9:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Marthea Hicks<\/b> sings \u201cEverybody\u2019s talking,\u201d by Harry Nielsen)<\/p>\n

Everybody\u2019s talking about me.
\nI can\u2019t hear a word they\u2019re saying,
\nOnly the echoes of their mind.
\nPeople stop and staring,
\nI can\u2019t even see their faces,
\nOnly the shadows of their eyes.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m going where the sun keeps shining
\nThrough the pouring rain,
\nGoing where the weather suits my clothes,
\nBacking off of the northeast wind,
\nSailing on a summer breeze
\nSkipping over the ocean like a stone.<\/p>\n

(sings scat)<\/p>\n

Everybody\u2019s talking about me.
\nI can\u2019t hear the words they\u2019re saying,
\nOnly the echoes of their mind.
\nPeople stop and staring,
\nI can\u2019t even see their faces,
\nOnly the shadows of their eyes.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m going where the sun keeps shining
\nThrough the pouring rain,
\nGoing where the weather suits my clothes,
\nGoing where the sun keeps shining
\nThrough the pouring rain
\nSkipping over the ocean like a stone.<\/p>\n

(sings scat)<\/p>\n

Emcee:<\/b> Yes, Miss Unforgettable, Marthea.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Song 10:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Marthea Hicks<\/b> sings)<\/p>\n

I\u2019ll make the first step
\nAnd you will make the next
\nAnd we\u2019ll join hands the farther we go
\nThe hills may sometimes seem hard for him to climb
\nBut I know he\u2019s gonna make it by and bye
\nHe\u2019ll go on fighting
\nUntil the whole world is free
\nWe\u2019ll live together in peace<\/p>\n

I\u2019m gonna make the next step
\nAnd you will make\u2013 make the next
\nAnd we\u2019ll join hands the farther, the farther we\u2019ll go
\nThe hills I know seems hard sometimes
\nAnd it seems hard for him to climb<\/p>\n

But I know my friend\u2019s gonna make it by and bye
\nWell, he\u2019ll go on fighting
\nUntil the whole world, the whole world is free
\nWe\u2019ll live together, together in peace.
\nTogether in peace.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Song 11:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Marthea Hicks<\/b> sings variation of \u201cYou Are So Beautiful to Me\u201d by Joe Cocker)<\/p>\n

Jonestown is so beautiful
\nTo me
\nJonestown is so beautiful
\nTo me
\nYeah, yes, I see
\nIt\u2019s everything I\u2019d ever hoped for
\nAnd it\u2019s everything
\nTo me
\nJonestown is so beautiful
\nTo me<\/p>\n

Jonestown is so beautiful
\nIf you look around
\nTo me
\nJonestown is so beautiful
\nTo me
\nYes, I see
\nIt\u2019s everything I\u2019d ever hoped for
\nAnd it\u2019s everything everything everything
\nTo me
\nYeah yeah
\nJonestown is so beautiful
\nI just want to clap my hands
\nYes, Guyana is so beautiful
\nI want to clap my hands
\nGuyana is so beautiful
\nOne more time one more time
\nGuyana is so beautiful
\nTo me
\nYeah yeah
\nYeah yeah<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Song 12:<\/i><\/p>\n

(Marthea Hicks<\/b> sings)<\/p>\n

To be strong, gifted and black
\nOh what a lovely prec\u2013 precious thing
\nOh when you\u2019re, when you\u2019re, when you\u2019re
\nStrong yeah, gifted and black<\/p>\n

We must begin to tell our people
\nWhen you\u2019re feeling real low
\nThere\u2019s a great truth we all should remember and know
\nThat we are strong, gifted and black
\nWhoa
\nWe got our souls intact
\nAnd that\u2019s a fact.
\nAnd that\u2019s a fact.
\nTo be strong, gifted and black<\/p>\n

Is this a quest that\u2019s just begun?
\nWorld waiting for you.
\nOr is this a quest that\u2019s just begun?
\nWhen you\u2019re feeling real low
\nJust a little low
\nThere\u2019s a great truth we all should remember and know
\nThat we are strong, gifted and free
\nWe got our souls intact
\nWe got our souls intact
\nWe got our souls intact
\nYeah
\nWe got our souls intact
\nClap your hands,
\n(unintelligible word) your feet
\nWe got our souls intact
\nWe got our souls intact
\nOne more time one more time
\nOne more time
\nOne more time<\/p>\n

Spoken:<\/i> As we go home tonight, we\u2019d like to thank our distinguished guests for being here. We\u2019re glad you came with us, and this is Mr. and Mrs. Baldwin [Walter and Charlotte Baldwin], and we\u2019re very glad to have you tonight.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Hicks: <\/b>We got our souls intact
\nWe got our souls intact
\nWe got our souls intact
\nWe got our souls intact
\nWe got our souls intact<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> I would like\u2013 Before we go, I would like to say that uh, Jim Jones is very sorry that he could not be up here tonight, but as he said over this microphone, he had a very high uh, fever today. He had a heart attack a couple of days ago too, and uh, uh, he\u2019s had to have medication but we know that he\u2019s going to be all right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> \u2013do want to say, before I introduce our guest to\u2013 to you and give him<\/i> a chance maybe to say just a few words before you go, \u2018cause it\u2019s been a pleasure to spend the day with him, that all of this would not have been possible, what you\u2019ve seen today, if it hadn\u2019t been for a vision of Jim Jones that started when I met him\u2013 I met him 30<\/i> years ago, and I\u2019ve been married to him 29. And many years ago, when he\u2019d have a dream or start to do something, I used to say, Jim, you can\u2019t do this. And I finally learned that whatever he set out to do, he did.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> And there was no sacrifice too<\/i> great, and I do want to say that I am indeed so<\/i> grateful to say that I have lived to see Jonestown. I\u2019ve had a lot of beautiful<\/i> and enriching experiences with Jim Jones, but this is the<\/i> most exciting and the most beautiful, and to live<\/i> life, not just to exist, (Pause) is so important.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

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Marceline:<\/b> He has been about the business of identifying problems in this world, but he not only f\u2013 identified the injustices, stood up against them, but he gave us solutions to the problem which is socialism.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

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Marceline:<\/b> \u2013return that you will be able to meet him. And I want all of you to give a warm welcome\u2013 and I\u2019d like to be able to\u2013\u00a0I\u2019d like for you to come and say a few words if you will. The gentleman that\u2019s\u2013 is in our midst is from Denmark. He\u2019s a socialist. He uh, is a filmmaker, and a little over a year ago, I met with his colleague in Charles Garry\u2019s office in San Francisco, and he was in another\u2013\u00a0This is Peter [Elsass], and I\u2019m going to have to admit, that be\u2013 his name is Danish and he\u2019s been very kind, he said, few people learn how to pronounce my name, if they don\u2019t live in Denmark, so I have a little problem with it, so he\u2019ll tell you, it\u2019s close to Ellis. But it\u2019s Alief\u2013 uh, he is\u2013 he has his Ph.D. in psychology, but he\u2019s about the business of making films, documentaries of the kinds of things that\u2019re happening in Jonestown, and it\u2019s been a pleasure having you here today. We hope you will return, and we\u2019d love to have you come and say a few words to the people. Thanks.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Peter Elsass:<\/b> Oh, you are many. (Laughs) Well, I think I will sit down too. (Pause) Four\u2013 about five years ago, I was traveling around with a theater group in south of Italy. And I think now I will tell you a little about what happened with that theater group. It was a theater group who normally do their performance in theater cities, in theater houses. It was people who only work with their brains, not with their bodies. It was people who lived isolated in the south of Italy in a little house, and only acting theater for themselves. And only educating their brains. So they stay there in the little community, in the little village, for four months, and after four months, the people of south Italy in the little village got more and more aggressive about our theater people. Because what were they doing there with their brains? What were they doing in this house? Well, one day it happened that this theater group had to walk through the city, through the little village to a friend of mine, and to do performance in his house. But when the theater people\u2013 when the actors, went out in the street, the people of the village surrounded them and said, when now we will see what people you are? What can you do? What is your work? And the theater people was a little afraid because they only have brain, they do not have bodies. (Pause) But there happened something what that day when they arrived to our friend\u2019s\u2013 to my friend\u2019s house, it was closed. So suddenly we were surrounded of the whole village which were very aggressive to all of us and say, please show our work to us. And we do not have any other possibility to show a theater piece on the street. It was the first time our theater group show theater to people who do not know theater beforehand. When we do our job, and thereafter the people that dodn\u2019t\u2013 that didn\u2019t clap their hands because they were not coming to theater work, they were not coming to be an audience. But little by little, (unintelligible word) they began dancing in the street, they began making music, they began singing songs. And that was the audience that our (unintelligible phrase; sounds like \u201caccess lie\u201d). And from this<\/i> moment, this theater group have only do their\u2013 done their performance \u2013 and still do their performance \u2013 on the streets, among people who do not know anything about theater. (Pause) The people who know the ground, who know their bodies, who have brown under their knees, and that was the experience who drove the theater group to real acting<\/i> people, not only people who are educating their brains, but their whole bodies. Well, I\u2019d just like to say, at least here, that this experience have been the same for me today. I\u2019ve been together with people who not only work the socialist in their brain, but with their whole<\/i> body, who know the ground, who know how to live<\/i> in a socialistic community. Not only talking<\/i> about it, but do<\/i> what you talk. That has been a great experience for me. Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/b><\/p>\n

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