{"id":27390,"date":"2013-06-16T00:19:50","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:19:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27390"},"modified":"2014-04-06T22:59:49","modified_gmt":"2014-04-06T22:59:49","slug":"q240","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27390","title":{"rendered":"Q240 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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(Note<\/strong>: Transcript prepared by Don Beck. The editors gratefully acknowledge his invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

Wanda Swinney:<\/b> (very faint) \u2013meet with farm equipment. We have to meet with this. We\u2019ve eliminated some of the expense of buying this new product. Um\u2013 one problem that we have is that during this time that there won\u2019t be the cassava to eat, so we\u2019ll have to buy uh, commercial feeds for the li\u2013 uh, the pigs during this time.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Female 1:<\/b> Wanda, this might seem like a silly question, but what\u2019s the difference between a cow and a heifer?<\/p>\n

Wanda: <\/b>Okay. A heifer is a\u2013 is a young female cow before she has calves. A cow is a milk\u2013 uh, it\u2019s a milk cow or any kind of cow that has dropped several times and had a calf. (Pause) Dropped means to have a calf.<\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/b> How long\u2019s it gonna take for the bull to be uh, eat-able? (Pause) (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Wanda: <\/b>Well, I\u2019m not quite that familiar with that breed, but it looks to me that it\u2019ll be about another six months before he\u2019ll be to the weight that we\u2019ll need. (Pause) Is that it on the questions? Okay, well, just wait before you go to the next question. You want me to do that now, Wesley [Breidenbach], wherever you are? (Tape edit) Agricultural Commission. Um. January 19th, 1978.<\/p>\n

Male 1: <\/b>If a problem arises with ticks or fleas or anything with the cattle, do uh, they have, you know, means of uh, taking care of that?<\/p>\n

Wanda: <\/b>We already have the medication which was applied on the cattle twice called berkatok [phonetic], and it\u2019s very effective. It\u2013 It eliminates all the fleas and the ticks on them. We\u2019re in the process of\u2013 we thought<\/i> we already had so\u2013 one type of malathion that we could use for flies on the cattle and the horses, but we don\u2019t, so we\u2019re trying to obtain it in Georgetown now.<\/p>\n

Female 3:<\/b> How soon will the cows be ready for milking, you know, some of them?<\/p>\n

Wanda: <\/b>Oh, we\u2019re not quite sure of the pregnancy dates on \u2018em. We have one that\u2019ll be\u2013 that should<\/i> be having a calf within three months, and the rest it\u2019ll be longer. And we\u2019ve got\u2013 some<\/i> of the heifers I bought are quite young and we can\u2019t even breed them for about another four to six months. We\u2019re starting out with a young herd. (Pause) Yes, they have to have a baby, and even after the first baby, they don\u2019t produce that much milk. It takes uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 2: <\/b>All right, now let\u2019s conduct the meeting right, okay? If someone asks a question they don\u2019t know, then I don\u2019t see any, you know\u2013 she\u2013 it\u2019s obvious she didn\u2019t know, and a lot of us are from the cities and never had a chance to uh, live on a farm till now. So I think it\u2019s really unfair on all your parts when you decide to laugh at that. So I think you should knock it off.<\/p>\n

Wanda: <\/b>As I was saying, there\u2013 a cow does not produce milk until they have one<\/i> calf and it was very good question on her<\/i> part, \u2018cause a lot don\u2019t know, but then the first\u2013 after the first calf is when\u2013 they don\u2019t produce that much on the first year. Uh, from the second calf on is when you get into your higher milk production. And one of our plans which I left out is that we\u2019ll be breeding first with this\u2013 this uh, Holstein bull that we have, but he\u2019s not a purebred Holstein and so we plan to later upgrade our herd through either purchasing a\u2013 a\u2013 a better quality Holstein bull or else through artificial insemination, and thanks to Jim making these good contacts here, it\u2019s uh, being made possible for two of us to go to the government dairy farm, and they\u2019re going to teach us artificial insemination, so we can do this for our own herd.<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/b> After the\u2013 uh, after she has her first calf, how long till she can be\u2013 be bred back up?<\/p>\n

Wanda: <\/b>Uh, she can have a calf, but uh\u2013 you can breed her back, I think it\u2019s three months after that, because it takes\u2013 uh, the gestation period or the period of their pregnancy period is nine months, so they\u2019ll give, they give milk 300 days out of the year. So they\u2019re only dry uh, 65 days out of the year. You breed them back during their milk (unintelligible word). (Pause) Questions?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Over P.A.) \u2013times a week to cut down on use\u2013<\/p>\n

Anthony Simon:<\/b> Okay, um, the egg count for\u2013 for this week was\u2013 for 1\/11\/7\u2013 for 1\/11\/78 we had 268 eggs (unintelligible word). For 1\/12\/78, we had 285 eggs, for 1\/13\/78 we have 281 eggs. For 1\/14\/78 we have 254 eggs, for 1\/15\/78 we had 198, for 1\/16 we had 381, for 1\/17 we had 289 eggs, and for the 18th we had 270 eggs. And uh\u2013 uh, for the chicks that we hatched out of the incubator, we had uh, set 186 eggs total, and out of that only 90 have hatched. And uh, out of the 90 that hatched, we lost four<\/i> in the incubator, and uh, that makes 11 we lost out of the chicken house from a\u2013 a cold, from draft. We was told to use a\u2013 a kerosene lantern which did not provide much heat for the chicks, and so we lost 11 down there. And for the eggs that uh, did not uh, the remaining eggs that did not uh, hatch, uh, hatch out, which was uh, (murmurs as he counts) 96 eggs, uh, we had checked the eggs by candling, which we couldn\u2019t tell they were fertile. So what we did was we cracked all the eggs the day before in the kitchen as they were being used, and we had a\u2013 about a 90% fertility of eggs, so we went on that. And I think the reason why the majority of them didn\u2019t<\/i> hatch was because we had the incubator in the laundry room where we used<\/i> to have it in Dorm One, and I think we have a problem with too much draft, because the eggs in the center of the incubator, they hatched, but those towards the outside didn\u2019t, so uh, I got to work and see if I can get rid of the draft and see if that was the problem. (Pause) For our needs<\/i>. What we need for the chicken house, uh, Wanda had told me to get together uh, how many bottles of vaccine we need for the year. And we need five bottles of Newcastle vaccine. Also we need uh, three automatic tray-type waters for the chickens. (Pause) And also we got to make some kind of arrangement for me or somebody to go to the ridge [presumably Matthews Ridge] Saturday to meet the baby chicks. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 4: <\/b>Yeah, uh\u2013 My question is\u2013 is that it\u2019s to my understanding that you\u2019re having trouble down there with the water, and there was a few chicks lost or something because of the water was bad. And the water shut off or something.<\/p>\n

Anthony: <\/b>Well, I don\u2019t know what\u2013 I don\u2019t know what the problem was. See, uh\u2013 from what I understand, K\u2013 all Keith told me was that they had\u2013 we had to order water and there was no water delivered down there, and the barrels ran out. Whoever was over at the cassava mill, they took buckets and put buckets in there for the baby chicks, and all I know is Keith had said when he got there two of them were dead<\/i> and uh, it appeared that they were wet<\/i>. I don\u2019t know if they drowned in the buckets or not, \u2018cause he just told me this this evening. So I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Wanda:<\/b> You\u2019re talking about\u2013 You\u2019re talking about today.<\/p>\n

Anthony: <\/b>Yes. Talking about today.<\/p>\n

Wanda:<\/b> No, Anthony, that\u2019s not<\/i> what the problem is. The problem is that that water\u2013 water system, it\u2013 to me isn\u2019t adequate because it operates off of a weight<\/i> system from the water, and when the\u2013 when the trough is full or else has a lot of weight on it, it shuts the water off. Well, the chickens, there\u2019re so many of them in there, that they\u2013 they pull down on that water trough and try\u2013 and shut it off. So we uh, had\u2013\u00a0we put water in the trough, and then we set down two buckets of water, and they were all so thirsty because they had shut that off and weren\u2019t able to get<\/i> water, and in the process they smothered two of \u2018em, what\u2013 even though we were trying to keep\u2013 pulling \u2018em off of each other. So um, I think that a different\u2013 as long as we\u2019re going to have that many in<\/i> a building, we need to work on a different water system.<\/p>\n

Anthony: <\/b>What I want to say, is that on the watering trays that we had uh, put wire screens going down the trays so they could not\u2013 see, \u2018cause it works by weight. When you get so much water in it, it\u2019s automatically cuts off. And the chickens were sitting on it roo\u2013 like roosting on it uh, and at that time we had put screens going down it and brother [Tommie] Keaton had took \u2018em off. And I told him that this was a problem and to put them back on. So I don\u2019t know if it\u2013 if uh, what you\u2019re talking about, if they leaning up against it or what.<\/p>\n

Wanda: <\/b>Yes, they\u2019re leaning up against it and pulling the tray down, so that it shuts the water<\/i> off.<\/p>\n

Anthony: <\/b>Well, that\u2019s one reason why we\u2019re\u2013 that\u2019s one reason why we\u2019re asking for more wa\u2013\u00a0automatic water, so we need two<\/i> actually per building, \u2018cause one is not enough. So we need two water. That\u2019s why I\u2019m asking for more watering t\u2013 watering devices.<\/p>\n

Male 5: <\/b>We have a problem\u2013 We have a problem where someone tried to make a readjustment on it, and I had it close to the ground where the chickens couldn\u2019t get under it. But when they\u2013 when they need water, they\u2019ll get under it and when they get under it, the others\u2019ll go over. And then it\u2019ll rest on the one under there, and they can\u2019t get out. So I put it lower to the ground where no chicken can even get his head<\/i> under it, but it\u2019ll still work. It works on a balance system. (unintelligible under interruption)<\/p>\n

Wanda:<\/b> It wasn\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 5: <\/b>It worked for me.<\/p>\n

Wanda:<\/b> Well\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 5:<\/b> Whoever tried to readjust it. That\u2019s what the problem was.<\/p>\n

Wanda:<\/b> We didn\u2019t readjust it or anything, but they were underneath it today<\/p>\n

Male 5:<\/b> Well, somebody had made adjustment. Somebody had made adjustment.<\/p>\n

Anthony:<\/b> I was the one\u2013 I was the one that made a readjustment on it the other day. Because the watering trays are supposed to be level with the uh, the tail feather of the back of the baby tail\u2013 of the chick And I explained this to \u2018em just this evening, that I was the one\u2013 that I had readjusted while I<\/i> was down there.<\/p>\n

Wanda:<\/b> All I\u2019m saying is I think you need another water or else a different<\/i> water, because they shut it off and then wind up with no water.<\/p>\n

Female 4:<\/b> I noticed when I was at the piggery, a lot of the chickens had uh, some of the feathers plucked. I mean not plucked, because they\u2019d evidently been fighting or something. A lot of the feathers are gone. I\u2019d like to know, is it dangerous to their health for that to happen? And how would you prevent it?<\/p>\n

Anthony:<\/b> Well, we discussed that in our last agriculture meeting. And\u2013 okay, okay\u2013 Okay, what we had discussed was, there was a pecking<\/i> order, where they were pecking each other. And we ordered\u2013 we ordered\u2013 we did order some more blinders, so uh, to put on them, the blinders so they can\u2019t see where they\u2019re pecking. That\u2019s what it\u2019s\u2013 That\u2019s what it\u2019s called, by pecking each other, the pecking order. Yeah\u2013 (unintelligible under interruption)<\/p>\n

Tish:<\/b> I put a uh, follow up on the radio on the debeaker, so hopefully we\u2019ll get something back on it. I\u2019ve got no feedback yet.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Gene Chaikin:<\/b> Anthony, can you tell us, how many laying hens do we have now?<\/p>\n

Anthony:<\/b> Ah, I don\u2019t\u2013 I would not know right now. I\u2019d have to uh, go back to my records and add and subtract.<\/p>\n

Gene:<\/b> Well, I\u2019d like to find out whenever you can get the information. Maybe for the next agricultural meeting?<\/p>\n

Anthony:<\/b> I\u2019ll have it ready for the next agricultural meeting.<\/p>\n

Gene:<\/b> Yeah. Thank you.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> All right. Um. Let\u2019s see. The next thing\u2013 the next thing is uh, Christine Talley. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Christine Talley:<\/b> Okay, all the uh, rabbit cages have been disinfected and uh, Wednesday morning we had a litter from the brown New Zealand, and she had um, she only had three<\/i> in her litter, but it\u2019s her first litter, and most uh, first litters are small. Uh\u2013 They\u2019re good-sized and they\u2019re healthy. Uh, the white New Zealand should be having a litter in two weeks. Okay, and uh, one thing I want to ask is, I was told\u2013 I was told by Russell [Moton] that there\u2019s a man either in Port Kaituma or Matthews Ridge, and he wants to borrow our buck to mate with some of his rabbits, and maybe we can uh, bargain for half the litter. I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t know who the man was or\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/b> I can check with him next time I go in.<\/p>\n

Male 7:<\/b> Uh\u2013 It\u2019s uh, King Green. He\u2019s uh, over at the agricultural program at the Kaituma school.<\/p>\n

Female 5:<\/b> I would suggest that uh, rather than\u2013 if we do make a deal with him, I think they should bring their doe out here to us, rather than us take our buck in to them.<\/p>\n

(Voices agree)<\/p>\n

Jan:<\/b> That\u2019s what I think too.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Christine:<\/b> Yeah, it\u2019s also true that they uh\u2013 the buck won\u2019t be uh, you know\u2013 when they get into a strange area they\u2013 they don\u2019t operate.<\/p>\n

Male 8:<\/b> Another\u2013 I have a comment about that. Also, is that\u2013 from my understanding is when you bring uh, rabbits or almost any stock into a new area, I know it\u2019s uh\u2013 rabbits are uh, kind of like a delicate thing, and like I know\u2013 the Kaituma rabbit could have something that our rabbit out here don\u2019t have. So uh, I think we should be pretty careful with this.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible in background speaking about agriculture)<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible question)<\/p>\n

Anthony:<\/b> (Interrupting) \u2013the chickens, you know uh\u2013 even the government, they do a sloppy job of raising their animals, and they have all kinds of disease and stuff, and they always losing chickens left and right, and it can be the same thing with rabbits. And I think uh, Christine ought to go in and check their bucks out and see how healthy they are, and if so, they ought to be put in some kind of quarantine or something like that for awhile before we breed our rabbits and bring something into Jonestown and destroy our flock.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Okay. Um\u2013 I\u2019m next. Okay. Um\u00ad\u2013 Yeah, we finished out livestock quite a while ago.<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/b> I\u2013 I\u2019d just like to bring one point, and I think that we ought to be considering two<\/i> people for uh, veterinary training. A sister and a brother. Uh\u2013 Because our\u2013 our stocks and we just talked about in\u2013 infesting or infecting our animals and so forth, so maybe during Peoples Rally or Steering Committee, we ought to really really consider this, and I\u2019m talking about someone to be, you know, a\u2013 a trained persons in\u2013 in this area.<\/p>\n

Wanda: <\/b>This is true, and uh, Jim Bogue and I had discussed this and we were going to get together with you and Jan, and find out how to come about this, what decision had to be made so that they could be chosen. We set\u2013 we uh, were debating either two or three people, in case one person didn\u2019t uh, complete the course. But uh, there\u2013\u00a0if we get all the livestock we need, including, you know, when you taken full s\u2013 scale of the chickens, the rabbits, and everything, and there\u2019s\u2013 there\u2019s enough for uh, two people.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Uh\u2013 I think it\u2013 uh, announcement should be made for people who want to sign up for it first, and then submit their names into Steering Committee. Qualifications, and how much schooling and \u2013 yeah \u2013 reasons why. John, you\u2019ll take care of that, won\u2019t you? Make that announcement? And experience\u2013 experiments with an\u2013 animals.<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/b> That\u2013 That\u2019s just\u2013 it\u2019s not a prerequisite, it\u2019s just uh, for informational sake\u2013 sake, right?<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Uh, I guess so.<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/b> \u2019Cause a lot of us didn\u2019t know anything about farming or animals\u2013<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> That\u2019s for sure.<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/b> \u2013and\u2013 and turned out to be pretty good farmers and animal care takers.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> All right (unintelligible name) you\u2013 You make that announ\u2013 get that announcement? All right. Okay, um, this is for um, work done since last\u2013 the last agricultural meeting. Okay, uh\u2013 Completed planting of 10 acres of sweet potatoes, um, collecting about 150 pounds of cutlass beans, uh, 65 pounds of green papaya, uh, completed maintenance of old pine field which is about an acre, um, (Pause) about 50 some bags of planting material collected for eddoes and planting out of a three and a half acre eddo field, um, completed maintenance on a five-acre eddo\u2013 eddo field, (pause) and then there\u2019s a whole lot of other things just started. Like another\u2013 two more two-acre eddo fields and then a 10-acre cutlass bean field. But mainly, we\u2019re all just working on maintenance right now. (Clears throat) Any questions? (Aside) (Unintelligible word) Aren\u2019t you gonna work that out? (Normal tone) Okay, uh, there was something\u2013 uh, let\u2019s see, Teresa [King], you were going to try to get something started for a\u2013 a maintenance thing on\u2013 on Saturdays?<\/p>\n

(Long pause)<\/p>\n

Teresa:<\/b> Um, I misunderstood, I thought you were going to um, do it, and I haven\u2019t done nothing.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> All right, when you brought up the idea, I said, you go ahead and try to get it implemented. I said I would ask for more tools to be made. Like um, the hoes put together. (Pause) He said, uh\u2013\u00a0Charlie [Touchette] said, it was announced yesterday that it was to be done.<\/p>\n

Teresa:<\/b> Okay, well, uh, I’m willing\u2013 I’m willing to do some work on it, but I don\u2019t really know what to do, to how to go about getting it going.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Well, this is just mainly for what, seniors and uh, other young people around here that aren\u2019t on crews to go out Saturday? Everybody who can.<\/p>\n

Teresa:<\/b> Right, it would uh\u2013 It would\u2013 Yeah, it\u2019d be people that are not on crews and if, if some of the other departments could spare people on Saturday on some kind of rotation basis, but every department would have to work that out.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Well, I got the places to put \u2018em at. I mean it just\u2013 they\u2019re gonna\u2013 I guess they\u2019ll just have to report to me, I don\u2019t know. Then we\u2019ll\u2013 I can put them in various places. But they\u2019ll have to report\u2013 I\u2013 And that\u2019s what I wanted\u2013 I thought you were going to do, is try to see which ones come out and whatever. Get that set up.<\/p>\n

Teresa:<\/b> Ok. Um, what is today. Today\u2019s Thursday\u2013<\/p>\n

Tish:<\/b> I have\u2013 I have a list of the departments, and all the department heads. If you want to see me in the morning, I\u2019ll give you that and you can\u2013 that might help you implement it.<\/p>\n

Teresa:<\/b> Okay, um, on\u2013 In the morning I\u2019m working. Can I do it after the meeting? Or\u2013 Okay.<\/p>\n

Philip Blakey:<\/b> I\u2019ve got a\u2013 a few things now, um\u2013 Thanks to Dad\u2019s uh, getting us involved in the PNC [Peoples National Congress, the leading political party in Guyana], we\u2019ve been able to get the sugar cane machine that we\u2019ve\u2013 we\u2019ve uh, been talking about for so long, and we\u2019re gonna get it tomorrow. This is\u2013 No, this is for the farm. I wanted the farm to get lined up to cut the sugar cane. We\u2019re gonna harvest<\/i> it.<\/p>\n

(Dogs bark)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Just ask the question. They\u2019re not hearing. I hear one side. It\u2019s very disconcerting not to hear but one side.<\/p>\n

Blakey:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, somebody was asking you a question. We hear you, Phil, but we can\u2019t hear who asked you the question.<\/p>\n

Phil:<\/b> Well, this\u2013 they\u2019re telling us this was on the agenda for later on. So I\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ll skip that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I see. Well, we\u2019re grateful that you got it, and that Peoples National Congress, of course, is the government\u2019s ruling party, and that\u2019s encouraging that we were able to get that machine, the only one of its kind here.<\/p>\n

Phil:<\/b> We\u2019ve already got the planter through them which we have now, and we\u2019re trying to get it working as well.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Good, good, good.<\/p>\n

Phil:<\/b> And I also wanted to bring up the rice field. And I think um, the whole top half of that hill could be used, could be plowed up and used again for anything. And just keep the strip along the bottom end where the rice is growing, and try and see if we can get anything out of it. And uh, anybody got anything to say about that? (pause) Okay, well, there\u2019s another thing what\u2013 we\u2019re trying to cut some hay too, we\u2019ve got the tree cutter set up to where we can cut some hay, and we need some people to turn it and uh, gather it when we\u2019re\u00ad\u2013 if we can get it to cure, if the weather holds out good. Want it picked up and put in the trailer and hauled to the cassava mill. (Pause) And the next day uh, probably tomorrow, if I\u2019ve got it cut, I don\u2019t know how long it would take to dry, but we just wanted to have some people available to do it, whether\u2013 whether we can get the farm crew. Jim Bogue didn\u2019t think his crew could get to it. So he<\/i> suggested that the Learning Crew\u2013 I don\u2019t know. (pause) (Tape edit) Take care of that, anyway? I think that\u2019s all I have right, for the (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Tish:<\/b> I don\u2019t know, perhaps this is a Steering Committee item, and if so, then we should uh, refer it to Steering. But there should<\/i> be a schedule uh, planned out ahead on the work that the Learning Crew has lined up to do, and somebody should keep that schedule, and be<\/i> at both Steering and agricultural meetings, so that we know what we can or cannot refer to Learning.<\/p>\n

(several speak at once)<\/p>\n

John:<\/b> \u2013Responsible. Pardon?<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> He\u2019s\u2013 He\u2019s been coming to me.<\/p>\n

John:<\/b> Right, well.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Both him and Ronnie, they come and ask me what work needs to be done.<\/p>\n

John:<\/b> Okay so, so like that, so that what\u2013 what you\u2019re\u2013 what you\u2019re saying is, then Sebastian [McMurry] and Ronnie should be inclusive in\u2013 in the Steering and\u2013 and in here, and I agree. And since I have the floor\u2013 When we were looking into this, to the sugar cane, uh, there\u2019s a\u2013 a red eye<\/i> that\u2019s in the sugar cane that was in the sugar cane up in the\u2013 up in uh, Matthews Ridge. And they discontinued\u2013 that\u2019s why they\u2019re not using the cane grater or the chopper, they discontinued using<\/i> it because of this red streak that\u2019s in the sugar cane, and I noticed in our<\/i> sugar cane, uh, it has the same kind of red circle in it, and uh, we were told the other day that it meant that the sugar cane was\u2013 was uh, infected<\/i> and that when it was given to the animals, to the cattle particularly, it affected them. So I\u2019d like some research<\/i> done on this uh, in terms of our<\/i> sugar cane and\u2013\u00a0and what can be done to cure it before we put into this big old project of planting sugar cane and it\u2019s all infected. \u2018Cause I don\u2019t know how much of that is like that, but there is<\/i> some of that sugar cane that\u2019s out there now for seeds or\u2013 or seeding that has that red stuff in it.<\/p>\n

Russell:<\/b> Okay. I\u2019ll check into it.<\/p>\n

(Several males talk)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Uh, with dispatch, with dispatch. I\u2019m sure we can conquer this. Only a matter of\u2013 we are more scientific in our approach than any of these other cooperatives, including the government institute, and we\u2019ve got to get even more<\/i> industrious, but that\u2019s a very important and salient point, John. We need<\/i> to get that cured before we go into mass farming. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Okay, I think, um, (clears throat) Russell, and that besides (clears throat) just checking the roadway, you should check down in the nursery also. All<\/i> the cane.<\/p>\n

Russell:<\/b> Also I think it\u2013 uh, what might be done also is that since some people here who have raised sugar cane before, we had some people come to agricultural meeting a couple of months ago who said that they had worked with sugar cane, and I think that if anybody uh, has any experience in that, if you could get with me, you know, it would be very helpful. (Pause) Well, I think probably the best bet is, I don\u2019t know if everybody\u2019s here, is that, you know\u2013 Yeah, Peoples Rally would be the best place to make the announcement.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Get started with it. We need to get started with it. Only let\u2019s make the announcement and get to this as quick as we can.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Start\u2013 Start taking\u2013 We\u2019ll get the names now. I\u2019ll have someone get the names. Um, Christine, you got\u2013 you got a pencil and paper? Will you get that\u2013 All the people who had your hands up, can you raise your hands again, so Christine can get your\u2013 your names down? You may be\u2013 Stand up. Just stand up, so she can see you better.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And make an announcement over the p.a. system too, about p\u2013 anyone that\u2019s familiar with sugar cane to get their selves to the agricultural commission immediately.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> (quiet, unintelligible) (Normal tone) Okay, um, is there any more questions about the farm? All right then, we\u2019ll go on to the garden. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> This week we haven\u2019t\u2013 (Pause) This week, uh, we haven\u2019t done not too much. We have\u2013 we\u2019ve done a little planting. We planted uh, about\u2013 No about any\u2013 we planted two<\/i> rows of garlic about 200 foot long, we planted three rows of shallots about 600 foot long. And I planted three rows of cabbage, about 300 foot long. And one row of mustard green about f\u2013 almost 800 foot long, and this week\u2019s report on the gathering, we\u2013 we gathered 135 pounds of okra, we gathered 625 pounds of mustard greens, mustard and whi\u2013 dill callaloo, and eggplants was 81 pounds, 220 pounds of radish, 126 pounds of lettuce, and 422 pounds of squash, cucumbers, 289 pounds, and pumpkins, 45 pounds, and bora beans, 101 pounds. (Pause) Any questions?<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 11:<\/b> Plant more next week.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> Sure will.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Smart ass\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 11: <\/b>Any questions?<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/b> Come to the microphone please. Would you come to the microphone please?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s good, that\u2019s good. I\u2019m just teasing. I just like that. \u201cAny questions?\u201d<\/p>\n

Female 7:<\/b> Didn\u2019t we plant cucumbers? And\u2013 and corn and\u2013 and uh, radishes, about six rows of radishes.<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> That was not on this week\u2019s planting. That would be next week.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thank you. Let me give you\u2013 That\u2019s\u2013 That man\u2019s precise. You know\u2013 (unintelligible under interruption)<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> My, uh, my schedule goes from Sunday to Saturday night.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Don\u2019t fuck with his schedule. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(laughs) By the way, we\u2013\u00a0we ought to give Alleane Tucker a good hand. She bailed that water herself, most of it today, and here and bright and chipper after a\u2013 a war in the agricultural commission. She was the one who was doing all the bailing, and that\u2019s really something.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> Thank you, Dad. I would like to thank the junior high and the senior citizens for a nice job they done today until they had left and then everybody<\/i> left. Not\u2013 not\u2013 not quite everybody, you know what I mean, but the majority of the senior citizens left.<\/p>\n

(Voices in audience)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>By God, we got their names.<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> If I had a been collecting names, I\u2019d a still been down there.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We got their names that were\u2013 that stayed on. That three hours that I was there was uh, was fantastic. It\u2019s a shame<\/i> that they would leave in that important work. We\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll talk about that in Peoples Rally. We will<\/i> talk about it.<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Uh, is Selika [Bordenave] here? She\u2019s gonna give a report on the seniors\u2019 garden.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Next time anybody leaves like that, you tell them, when they leave, they got to go to the radio room with me, because that\u2019s why I was called away, because I wanted to stay there. So they gotta say, come on, you gotta go the radio room with Dad. And see if they leave.<\/p>\n

Selika:<\/b> I\u2013 I planted uh, two rows of cabbage, one row\u2013 two rows of cabbage, one row of beets, and I planted two rows of kale and one row of turnips and Swiss chard and carrots, tomatoes, peas, and lettuce. White lettuce, one row of white lettuce. Today. Planted that today.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Now, that\u2019s marvelous, Selika.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And raised hell with Ernest Green this week on top of that. That\u2019s pretty good.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Selika\u2013 oh\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 12:<\/b> (interrupting): I believe uh\u2013 Selika should be sitting at the table with us.<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Yes, she should.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I think that she\u00ad I think she should. That\u2013\u00a0Wha\u2013 That sounds like\u2013 That\u2019s a good suggestion, comrade. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Female 8:<\/b> How long are the rows, Selika?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Female 8:<\/b> How long are the rows?<\/p>\n

Selika:<\/b> I really don\u2019t know that much about farming, so I wouldn\u2019t be able to tell you.<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> (unintelligible) and 75 foot.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(laughs) That\u2019s a good way to get out of that, Selika. That Louisiana kid there!<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> They\u2019re between 50 and 75 foot.<\/p>\n

Tish:<\/b> I\u2019d like to report that Selika is turning in a weekly report uh, with the rest of the agricultural commissioners, and the people who turn out will have the exact time that they worked out there reported, and this will go into Dad, by the way. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Okay. The next thing on the agenda is cassava, and trip to Matthews Ridge. (Pause) If you\u2019re going.<\/p>\n

Male 13:<\/b> Okay, on the trip to Matthews Ridge, as far as I know Patty and Rheaviana [Beam]\u2013 Patty and Rheaviana are going to go and check it out and then let us know what the situation is, then we\u2019ll decide whether or not we go. (Clears throat) Okay. Since the last meeting, we collected approximately eight acres of bitter cassava planting material. We dug up about 110 bags of bitter cassava and collected approximately four acres of sweet cassava, planting merial\u2013 planting material the last time we went up north. We also collected uh, 29 bags of sweet cassava. This\u2013 This week we\u2013 we weeded 11 acres of newly-planted fields which is all the new fields along the road. It\u2019s supposed to be weeded two weeks after it\u2019s planted, and we completed all of that. There\u2019s approximately another 18 acres of\u2013 of land that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s in the process of being made ready for planting, but on each part of that, it either needs to be plowed again or it needs soil sample or something like that. We haven\u2019t been able to plant yet. We should be able to get it into next week. (Pause) Are there any questions?<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Tish:<\/b> Would you come up to the microphone while the person is speaking, if you\u2019re going to have questions, so that we can cut down on time at the end of these? We do open debate at the end of every report.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> No questions? All right, uh\u2013 Bananas.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Danny Kutulas:<\/b> All right. This week we helped planted\u2013 plant a hundred and fifteen citrus trees out in the cottage area. Uh\u2013 We planted\u2013 we completed<\/i> the fertilizing of all the bananas on the farm. We cut 118 prop poles\u2013 180 prop poles and we pran\u2013 plan\u2013\u00a0propped over 180 trees. This was down in the uh, head of the road with the uh, apple bananas.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Good.<\/p>\n

(Dog barks)<\/p>\n

Danny:<\/b> We dug out 14 suck, uh\u2013 I\u2019m sorry. We dug out 14 sacks of cassava, 11 bundles of planting stock and uh, s\u2013 stacked it and we\u2019re setting it out uh, for drying so we can burn what\u2013 whatever uh, mess we had left in the field. (Pause) We\u2019ve been spraying the back fields for leaf spot, and we have about a week to go in the back field so we\u2019ll have the back fields completed and we have the other half to do. We picked up and carried 32 bunches of bananas at 370 pounds, and uh, in between all this we have done some weeding. (Pause) Is there any questions on bananas?<\/p>\n

Female 9:<\/b> The citrus trees you put out in the\u2013 in the cottage area. Are they supposed to be watered a certain amount of times a week, and if so, have you made arrangements for them to be watered? Did the fire\u2013 I mean, did the fire that we had, did it destroy any banana trees, and if so, how many?<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Uh\u2013 Well, maybe I can\u2013 The thing is like, Danny and them helped plant it, but they\u2019ll have to be directed to the people in this\u2013 that have worked with the citrus. If Becky\u2019s [likely Rebecca Beikman] here?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Good question\u2013<\/p>\n

Jan Wilsey:<\/b> Or Dorothy\u2013<\/p>\n

Dorothy:<\/b> Um, with the citrus\u2013 Okay, the first time\u2013 Excuse me, Becky, the first time, it got planted okay\u2013<\/p>\n

End of tape
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