{"id":27400,"date":"2013-06-16T00:19:56","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:19:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27400"},"modified":"2025-03-16T16:32:10","modified_gmt":"2025-03-16T23:32:10","slug":"q265","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27400","title":{"rendered":"Q265 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

(Note: <\/strong>This tape was transcribed by Vicki Perry. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/i><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (speaks with difficulty) \u2013very candidly. We talked to the Guyana Defense Force, \u2018cause we\u2019ve had so much of it, and they said they didn\u2019t care, with our licensed weapons, if we shot<\/i> you in the legs and laid you down. So that\u2019s what we\u2019re going to do.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re going to go\u2013 quit trying to run you, just shoot your legs, so you won\u2019t be able to go and you\u2019ll fall down. You understand what I\u2019m saying? There\u2019s no sense that a good project like this\u2013 Commander [Clarence] Price said, there\u2019s no sense that a good project\u2013 he\u2019s head of all the armed forces, Army, Navy, and Marines. All<\/i> the military forces. He says there\u2019s no<\/i> sense in a good people trying build that put up with this shit of chasing people down every day and trying to locate them. And so he said, shoot<\/i> them in the legs and that<\/i>, by God will stop you.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Won\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Yeah. (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013found you. Much<\/i> of this is government forbidden area. This<\/i> is all forbidden area out here. And if you get into a government<\/i> area, they won\u2019t shoot you in the legs, they\u2019ll shoot you through the heart, \u2018cause they don\u2019t know what you\u2019re up to. So you guys better cut<\/i> this running away and better cut it right fast. They better tell those people down there that\u2019s manipulating in that ward to get special attention. I hope we\u2019ve done something about that, because the uh\u2013 these mental cases that are now conveniently getting the\u2013 some milkshakes<\/i> and some of this shit, they\u2019re gonna get\u2013 they\u2019re gonna get some vitamins and some food that isn\u2019t so tasty.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013here. I remember years<\/i> ago, we lived in a community of 900. I remember three<\/i> suicides or four, I can\u2019t quite remember. In one<\/i> year, we\u2019ve had none. And no successful suicide. I remember deaths<\/i>, two and three funerals a week<\/i>. And we have had three or something like that. So we\u2013 really, some people say, well\u2013 well, why we have all our troubles? I\u2019ll tell you why we have all of our troubles. We air all of our troubles in front of everybody<\/i>. (Short laugh)<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Everybody knows their neighbor\u2019s business<\/i>, that\u2019s why you see all the troubles. You live in a typical American community, you may not know your neighbor next block<\/i> or even next door<\/i>. Now, I do<\/i> think so that these\u2013 there\u2019s some people have distress and that\u2019s legitimate, but we\u2019re going to determine<\/i> whether it is stress<\/i> that is (stumbles over words) legitimate or if it\u2019s deliberate anarchistic provocateur activity. So we\u2019re going to have a different diet. We\u2019re gone have yellow food and green food, orange food and black food, and uh, it\u2019ll have all the nutritions that\u2019s are there, and they\u2019ll be doing calisthenics. And we shall see how long these people remain mentally ill<\/i>. If after they eat five or six plates of that and they still have a problem, we will conclude that they have an emotional problem.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered response)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013permitted in dorm one. The psyche of the emotional department, those who\u2019ve having problems related to emotions\u2013 and it\u2019s as easy for the emotions to become ill, we know<\/i> that. We\u2019re not going to be arbitrary. We know some people have real sincere problems. But I happen to be of the philosophy of the Chinese general who walked into the lunatic asylum when they freed<\/i> China from the imperialist<\/i>\u2013 when China had a really pure revolution\u2013 they still<\/i> have a pure revolution domestically, it\u2019s just their foreign<\/i> policy that stinks, due to the fact that the white Russians came into China, invaded China and made such an image of white people that they are suspicious of the Russians. But he came in and he said okay\u2013 and they were all babbling and shitting in their dishes and rolling in their shit. He said well, I know what we do with these people. They\u2019re of no value to themselves or anyone else. He said if in fifteen minutes you haven\u2019t lined up, I\u2019m going to shoot all of you. In fifteen minutes, all of them were out hoeing the garden.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Fifteen minutes of \u2018em, all of \u2018em got cured. I think mental cases, for the most part, is a manipulation. You don\u2019t\u2013 you let yourself have an out<\/i>. Anybody can go under pressure\u2013 snap under pressure. Do silly ass shit and run off, try to take their life. We could all<\/i> do that if we wanted to go ape shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered response) Right on!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But it\u2019s not fair to those who endure<\/i>, carry their burden for some people to be getting milkshakes<\/i> at night because they\u2019re in the mental division.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/b> Right on!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013tried to go crazy. Be sure you really are, because uh, you won\u2019t necessarily like the environment. You\u2019ll get all the vitamins you need, but you will not get the taste<\/i> that you like. After all, all you cares about, is nutrition, isn\u2019t it? We\u2019ve had people said they wouldn\u2019t eat. We\u2019ve already had somebody say, I\u2019ll starve myself to death, I am not going to eat a bite. We notice how quickly they get in and they take one of those milkshakes when they\u2019re given a milkshake. So we get the funny feeling that some people are pulling our leg, I don\u2019t know why.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered response)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If anybody else had any suggestions about that department, we\u2019d be anxious<\/i> to hear, because all of a sudden, there\u2019s an outburst<\/i> of mental problems. Seems rather strange, you know\u2013 oh, in three or four days we would have about seven mental cases. I got a feeling it\u2019s um, (laughs) O.R.\u2013 R and R. I tho\u2013 I have a feeling that they\u2019re just wanting a little rest<\/i> time at our expense, but<\/i> what\u2019s going to happen is, that in their department they\u2019re going to do calisthenics every hour and they\u2019ll be kept active<\/i> because it\u2019s important that you keep their body active, right?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> Right on!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You don\u2019t want a body to be sluggish, do you?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> No!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Some of you want our bowels to get tied up with uh, constipation<\/i>, so we\u2019re going to be very, very active in that department. And nobody\u2019s to go into the department at all, until the people are knocking on the door to get out.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, comrade? (tape edit) \u2013not want separate foods from the people. You know, when people that are chickens out there letting out our meat\u2013 (Pause) Those chickens. You believe your child\u2019s an angel, you\u2019re a damn fool!<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible) I never even ask. I\u2019ve seen enough fairness around here, and I know the leaders that pick on leaders\u2019 children, but I\u2019ve seen enough out of my<\/i> kids to know that he easily could deserve public service. And some of these little guys think that you can\u2019t handle them, teacher don\u2019t know what the hell to do with them because there\u2019s nothing\u2013 you could put \u2018em in that will teach ’em structure, so by God, let \u2018em be on<\/i> public service a night and a day, or two nights and a day. That\u2019ll teach \u2018em. (tape edit) \u2013empathy with them and uh, or going against the organizational structure. You see, the w\u2013 why we\u2013 it\u2019s a miracle we\u2019ve existed. Because we picked up the rubbish of all<\/i> the garbage of the world. USA\u2019s filled with nothing but garbage. You know we all come out of garbage.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We were spoiled<\/i>, we were self-centered<\/i>, we did our own damn thing<\/i>, we were anarchistic<\/i>, we weren\u2019t used to following any damn rules, and so we couldn\u2019t have fought a revolution if our life had depended upon it.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We couldn\u2019t save anybody because we were looked after our own self. Do your own thing.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So don\u2019t even ask. When you see your child on the\u2013 the public service, just say\u2013 just greet them, you know, don\u2019t have to be mean<\/i> to them, just say hello, comrade, and go on your business. That\u2019s what I\u2019ll say if I see Jim [Jones Jr.], I\u2019ll say, hello comrade. You\u2019re building up for this, I don\u2019t know what he did this time, I don\u2019t even ask. I have enough faith that whoever put him on there did it, not because he was my<\/i> son, but because he was not acting out. I don\u2019t even know who<\/i> put him there. It\u2013 To me, I didn\u2019t even ask. I have enough faith in the institution. I\u2019ve seen enough fairness out here that I don\u2019t want to ask the question even. (tape edit) \u2013dramatically, immediately be put in public service. We do not tease people because they have emotional problems. I happen to believe that most emotion problems are a manipulation. I don\u2019t care how crazy they act, I think it\u2019s a manipulation for attention or to get something done that they want to achieve done. Anybody can go ape shit. You understand what I\u2019m saying? Right now when we\u2019re tired, it\u2019s after twelve, and all the work things I\u2019ve had on my mind, (unintelligible word) a mess. I\u2019m trying\u2013 or coordinate this stage before I ca\u2013 could get in here. Anybody could go ape shit if you let yourself. You go (imitates blithering idiot). You could do it, I mean, just like that. But some of us don\u2019t let ourselves it. But still, I want no<\/i> fun made of anybody on special care. (tape edit) \u2013un. If there\u2019s any jesting, or anyone on public services, you go<\/i> to public services, right<\/i> then, you go to public services. I don\u2019t want to develop a class<\/i> consciousness here. It\u2019s easy<\/i> to have public services in a special class and special care and special class and people pointing at them and making fun. We won\u2019t have it.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013the GDF and they\u2019ll\u2013 they\u2019ll gather around the whole<\/i> family, and they\u2019ll move in with their army, just move in and surround the whole area, and they\u2019ll catch your ass. Then they can take \u2018em away. I\u2019m through with them. (Tape edit) Somebody better very kindly tell them that we talked to GDF. GDF said that we can get them, we can shoot \u2018em in the legs, we can do whatever we want to, to stop them. We can stop them with a bow and arrow, or whatever in the hell we want to stop \u2018em with. We have licensed weapons, so you can tell them all that that\u2019s what the hell\u2019s going to happen. We\u2019ve got people parked outside. We\u2019re not going to run<\/i> the halfway across this entire damn Jonestown of thousands of acres and chase these people down. It cuts down our work force<\/i>. Thirty people chasing after fools. (Calls out) Let \u2018em get caught. Let a\u2013 let a goddamned labarria snake\u2013 let \u2018em step on the tail of a labarria snake. Labarria snake has a memory. He never<\/i> forgets who steps on him. If the car\u2013 front wheels of a car rolls over him, you better not have your windows lowered down, because the time the back wheels comes, he\u2019s in your car biting you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered response)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s how fast he is. S\u2013 All right, and it needs to be told, some of these. Right out here, we have Debbie Touchette some place. Debbie Touchette went into the bathroom<\/i> when we had rainy season some years ago that was too much like we\u2019re having now. And a labarria snake was in the bathroom that\u2019s now the uh\u2013 um\u2013<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>Therapy building.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2013therapy, physical therapy department. She went in the restroom and she slammed the door. And by God, she hit the snake, and that made the snake mad. He stood up on his head and looked at her and she tore down the aluminum. I never saw anybody uh, so powerful. She tore all<\/i> the aluminum down between her and the male section. Got over on the other side and the labarria was waiting on the other<\/i> side. And she jumped back on the other side and went like hell, like blue lightning and got away from him. (Voice builds throughout) They will\u2013 they have a memory<\/i>. If you walk like you\u2019ve got some sense, don\u2019t<\/i> slam doors and don\u2019t run in through grass and keep on the paths, you got no problem. You are crazy<\/i>, you damned fools running through this place are crazy<\/i>, \u2018cause some of these snakes don\u2019t kill, they rot<\/i> off your legs. I told you, you could go down to the doctor\u2019s office, but you never believe a goddamned thing. You can look<\/i> at the pictures and see whole<\/i> legs rotted off.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Agitated) Blindness<\/i>, paralysis and death after four or five hours of agonizing<\/i> suffering. I want told that to, please\u2013 see that that\u2019s all told\u2013 uh\u2013 take the notes down or the tape and play<\/i> that for those people down in the special care and in the uh\u2013 in the hospital and in the uh, I guess public services are all here. (tape edit) We\u2019ve had thirty of our people take a chance of running into a labarria snake. Why should thirty<\/i> of our people be out there, run around, chasing after some idiot and taking a chance of running into a tiger or running in to some\u2013 one of those goddamned snakes, some of them eighteen feet long. They never<\/i> come in here, because it\u2019s a protected zone. We\u2019ve never<\/i> had any problem. We\u2019ve never had a snake bite<\/i>, but I\u2019ll be damned, when we get out in there chasing some fool in the woods, we\u2019re running a risk<\/i>. We\u2019re running a risk. Thirty times more than the person that\u2019s running loose<\/i>. There\u2019s thirty of us hunting the person, so we\u2019re running a risk<\/i>. I\u2019m against<\/i> it, by God!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Agitated) \u2013some people don\u2019t want to go to Russia. Let us know. When we get ready to go, we\u2019ll send your ass right<\/i> back to fascist America and let you rot in a goddamned concentration camp<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (calms) \u2013union. We also have a fine African nation that\u2019s offered us an opportunity, but we\u2019re not telling it, \u2018cause some people got diarrhea of the mouth.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s in a warmer\u2013 warmer zo\u2013 uh, zone and very prosperous nation that likes our work. One of their representatives were here about six\u2013 five, six months ago, and it\u2019s got back to the president of that government, and they uh, would like to have us come here and do the exact<\/i> thing, and they would even help us. So we got some op\u2013 opportunities. And we ought to appreciate those opportunities. So you act like fools.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So you better get your act together \u2018cause the next time you go, I didn\u2019t do it with uh, Garnett [Johnson]. I got my ass\u2013 I said, I just got down, I\u2019ve been up all night and five minutes of eight, I lay down and ring, ring, ring. They said\u2013 uh, Lee\u2019s loose. I said, he can stay<\/i> loose, by God!<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice rises) I said I\u2019m going to get me at least three hours sleep, and when I got up, I come up here, but I didn\u2019t call<\/i>, nobody called. I didn\u2019t care if he went to China<\/i>, goddamn it, I\u2019m sick of this shit!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Intense) \u2013energy. What does that mean? Just look at the last week. Somebody [Ricky Johnson] took gasoline. The smell of it should have killed \u2018em. They took three cups of gasoline, or nearly so, and that should have eaten through their esophagus and their stomach and then one\u2013 couldn\u2019t\u2013 their kidneys wouldn\u2019t even move, and I walked by and touched them, and they immediately started sounding like cement broke loose out of their penis. And then we have uh, we have Teri, uh, Smart, who had septicemia. Septicemia. A rare<\/i> blood disease, bacterial. You\u2019d never<\/i> get over it. You\u2019re in coma the rest of your life until you die. Well, how many more\u2013 I can\u2019t remember all. [Marianita] Langston fell out of the roof. M\u2013 Mary Griffith in the death<\/i> throes, rigors, tongue back in her mouth, and she saved twice. Now some<\/i> of these fools, running away\u2019s going to cost<\/i> me to be so<\/i> tired, that when an emergency<\/i> comes, I\u2019m not going to be able to help the person. (Pause) (Calms) Well, I\u2019d like to ask the question about kill<\/i> yourself. (Tape edit) Something like some of the mess that you pick out of America. It\u2019s amazing. There\u2019s so much beauty we\u2019ve created here. So many beautiful children. If you look at the children \u2013 their improvements, their growth \u2013 it\u2019s worth it all. And some of you, even the adults and seniors. But there\u2019re some people that are American assholes<\/i>. They\u2019re the duck\u2019s ass of America.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All they put out is shit. Yes, workers here, six months ago weren\u2019t worth a tinker\u2019s damn. (tape edit) (low tone) Your heart aches, you<\/i> love and you\u2019re up all<\/i> night, all day and then another night, run into somebody run away, three<\/i> times like Garnett did in one<\/i> night we caught him. By God, it makes you madder than hell.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Intense) I don\u2019t want any teasing of it, but I want this stopped because I mean business. I damn well mean business. People want to run away. I\u2019m calling right<\/i> off, I\u2019m calling the authorities, the Police Commissioner is a friend of mine. Doctor [Vibert] Mingo, minister of home affairs. The head of GNS, Norman, is a personal<\/i> friend. He eats at our house just a few days ago. The head of the Guyana Defense Force\u2013 the amer\u2013 the force that uh\u2013 the Army, Navy, Marines, is a personal<\/i> friend, he\u2019s eaten at our house. Brigadier General Price. I\u2019m turning<\/i> \u2018em over. I\u2019m tired<\/i> of it. I didn\u2019t want to cause them trouble. I didn\u2019t want to cause them trouble, that\u2019s the only reason I haven\u2019t done it, so this better be played<\/i>. I\u2013 I don\u2019t think this is fair<\/i>. I think they\u2019re being damned inconsiderate<\/i>, and by God we do mean business. The next person takes off, (emphatic) you are on your own.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>If we don\u2019t shoot you first.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Irene Mason:<\/b> \u2013mean it, (Unintelligible word) Yeah, he the one got you out of all your troubles, by God, and feeding your ass. You don\u2019t thank him for nothing he do for you. By God, one right after another are getting into a lot of trouble. Well, go to hell, that\u2019s what you do.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/b>: (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Irene:<\/b> Hey, yeah, I\u2019ll say it and I\u2019m not taking it back. Go to hell, that\u2019s where you ought should go!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Irene:<\/b> Just go to hell and be done with it. Don\u2019t worry, Dad. All we\u2019ve got in this world is him, and you God, (Unintelligible word) you folks, always trying to run him to death. You don\u2019t care\u2013 he tell<\/i> you he don\u2019t sleep. Ya\u2019ll don\u2019t give a damn, but you try to kill him. So you can just go to hell, for what Irene Mason care. I don\u2019t give a damn about you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Irene:<\/b> I really don\u2019t give a damn about you. I\u2019d feel better off if you had (unintelligible) in here. and I have (Unintelligible word) from ya.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Irene:<\/b> (Laughs) I don\u2019t care. I really don\u2019t care. That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you. Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Irene:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you, Irene. Any other\u2013 any other remarks? Every time. What in the hell\u2013 Nobody in their life ever lived through gasoline. The very smelling those fumes\u2013 was uh, in the lungs. Instant death, like Aurora Rodriguez said. It caused the eyeballs to turn till you see the whites of their eyes, and they die an agonizing death. Jesus Christ. And then drink three gallons\u2013 or three c\u2013 cups of it, and I saved them? Fuck this shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered response)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s what I\u2013 That\u2019s what I\u2019m uh, concer\u2013<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Low and emphatic) I saved his life, and I said I would, but he shit fire. I mean that m\u2013 boy\u2019s ass was on fire, and his mouth was on fire for six<\/i> hours. He was shitting<\/i> gasoline and I mean that\u2019s fire<\/i>. And he was vomiting gasoline and that\u2019s fire. And by God, I let him do it because he needed a lesson.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And they get an arrow in their legs, they may get shotgun in their leg and they get a damned rifle in their leg, \u2018cause we\u2019ve got licensed weapons. We\u2019re sick and tired of chasing all over this goddamned jungle, running through weeds\u2013 sometimes we\u2019ve had fifty people hunting for people. It\u2019s a miracle we didn\u2019t run into a snake.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> We have people from (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> An\u2013 uh, and if we don\u2019t get them, the GDF will and the police. We\u2019re a friend of the Commissioner, police, who\u2019re head of all<\/i> Guyana. We come\u2013 we see him every<\/i> week. We\u2019ve wined and dined with him, and we\u2019ve wined and dined with Brigadier General Price who\u2019s the head of Guyana Defense Force, the Army, Air Force, and their Navy. We are the head\u2013 friend of GNS, that\u2019s the youthful\u2013 the youth<\/i> corps, are being trained to be soldiers. Guyana National Services. Norman. He\u2019s been in our home many times and eat with us. So all hell\u2013 I ain\u2019t\u2013 I was just showing mercy. I didn\u2019t want to put those people to trouble, but hell, they said \u2013 I talked to them about it \u2013 they said, hell, they\u2019ve been surprised we haven\u2019t had more trouble, said that uh, Brigadier General Price\u2019s children run\u2013 got run off. By God, they\u2013 they\u2013 they let them<\/i> stay out in the jungle for a while too. The assholes. Spoiled assholes. (tape edit) \u2013about it. So they\u2019re not bothered about it. So don\u2019t think you\u2019re going to get us no trouble. Piss on ya. (Tape edit) (Daring tone) Go across the Venezuelan border. I\u2019ll bet you a thousand dollars to one you don\u2019t make it. If they\u2013 if the infiltrators that come through \u2013 these are the kinds of things that need to be mo\u2013 mentioned \u2013 if the infiltrators uh, don\u2019t catch you as they come through every night, then somebody, the mercenaries, no doubt have got somebody out there, waiting for a weak point. So just go out there and get\u2013 take your chances. That\u2019s what I say. Or the Guyana Defense Force that\u2019re guarding the border ha\u2013 heavier than they ever had guarded them before. Let them<\/i> getcha, by God. They\u2019ll shoot<\/i> ya. You try to cross that border, they\u2019ll shoot<\/i> ya. You\u2019ll get shot from either<\/i> side. It\u2019s illegal<\/i> to cross that border. So I mean, just\u2013 just face<\/i> some facts and grow up. And you say, I want to die anyway. Well, you may not die. They may hit your spine,<\/i> and you\u2019ll be paralyzed for life. Come on, wake up now! Wake up now! And then see, if you get into Georgetown<\/i>, see how easy it\u2019s gone to get out. You got to go to the Guyana Tax<\/i> Board and get a clearance, and they promised to let us know if anybody does. You got to go to the Em\u2013 U.S. Embassy and they<\/i> promised to let us know if anybody\u2019s trying to get out. So we get you every way you go. I ain\u2019t worried about you. (Pause) (Voice builds) I worry<\/i>, I love you, but I don\u2019t like people that pull on our heartstrings, pull on their mothers and their grandmothers. Have their grandmothers all so\u2013 upset and their mothers that\u2019ve reared their children from babyhood, have \u2018em all upset. By God, I think it\u2019s shit<\/i>, that\u2019s what I think it is.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013force in the police. Anybody disagree, I want to see, I wanna hear, because I\u2019m\u2013 uh, that\u2019s my policy, and unless I see somebody makes it\u2013 well, I\u2019m sick of this. We lose thousands<\/i> of dollars, every day, every time we chase after one of these fools. (Pause) Anybody opposed? Okay, that\u2019s the way it is. Don\u2019t bother to call me. Next one runs off, let him go. (Tape edit) Or she or it go.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Gets his automatic rifle out and he\u2019s got a hundred fifty mental cases go (makes sounds of gibbering idiot). (Voice speeds up) Says, oh, there\u2019s no use to keep you alive, you\u2019re all sick and you\u2019re in pain and misery and useless. So line \u2018em up on the wall, we\u2019re gonna shoot you. And all of them in five minutes are out a-hoeing the tomatoes. Shit, I don\u2019t believe in no mental case.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause, murmurs)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (lecturing tone) \u2013is a phenomenon that people use to appeal for manipulation. They use it to try to get our attention. And be goddamned if they\u2019re gonna get our attention by it!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013are going to learn, aren\u2019t they? That they\u2013 it\u2019s a good point. Let\u2019s get the whole program organized in special nurses section, please. Uh, educational people, they\u2019re gonna get in there and they\u2019re gonna hear Russian. They\u2019re gonna hear news and they\u2019re going to do up\u2013 push-ups\u2013 uh, push-ups up and down, and they\u2019re going to clean the\u2013 if they got constipation, instead of taking a laxative, they can use their finger and break it up in their ass.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered calls)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I mean I\u2019m sick<\/i> of it. Anybody<\/i> can go crazy. The pressure of life could cause anybody to go crazure\u2013 crazy, but some of us won\u2019t let ourselves go crazy.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause) Right.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (agitated) \u2013before you get \u2018em, le\u2013 let the\u2013 what is it that\u2013 the big bad\u2013 that big\u00a0 (unintelligible word), uh, the bushmaster, yeah, in the (unintelligible word, sounds like Kaboti)\u2013 35 feet, let him<\/i> get you. You run into him<\/i>, by God, you won\u2019t have no problem. (Pause) Pitiful. They lived in a ghetto. Here we have no white police breathing down our neck. We got simple rules, we have TV, I rush in how many pieces of equipment so they can have closed circuit TV. It\u2019s cost tens of\u2013 not thousands, tens<\/i> of thousands because some of it was broken by Customs and the CIA. I give you movies, goddamn it and\u2013 and library and you can have dance if you want to. I\u2019ve never curtailed it, even though I think it\u2019s dangerous to dance on this dust till we get wood, but I\u2019ve done everything<\/i> I know. There\u2019s no goddamned excuse to this shit!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause) Right.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calm but intense) Drink gasoline and do shit like that. They\u2019re going to stay there and have a sweet lullaby. Or the girl, I talked to her, so loving. Christine. I talked to her as loving as I could. I said I feel guilt\u2013 I took on guilt that I\u2019ve got no business taking on, \u2018cause it\u2019s not my responsibility. I talked to her loving, and I\u2019ll be goddamned if she didn\u2019t go out and try to cut her wrists. (Pause) Fuck this shit. Uh\u2013 a common factor of life. We\u2019ve been here fourteen, sixteen months, and some of you\u2019ve been two and three years \u2013 it\u2019s been over three, about three \u2013 that founded this movement and started it and not one have killed themselves. Ain\u2019t no\u2013 no\u2013 nobody going to question that. What the hell we care if you\u2019re a pub\u2013 uh\u2013 uh\u2013 headline? You don\u2019t give a goddamn about black people. Sure\u2013 sure they\u2019ll be some newspeople have a little fun with it. They\u2019ll say they didn\u2019t like living in socialism, they didn\u2019t like living in interracial society. What the hell, we\u2019ve had everything said under the sun about us. What the hell do I care? My goddamned\u2013 my goddamned no good for nothing daughter [Suzanne Jones] who\u2013 some of you trust her. I don\u2019t know how you trust your relatives because they\u2019re natural born. I adopted her when she was three<\/i> days away from being put on the streets of being a whore. That\u2019s the only way she coulda made it in the streets of Seoul, Korea, the dictatorship of South Korea. She had charged that my son had sex with her. She\u2019s\u2013 May\u2013 That\u2019s how low down she is. That dirty, low-down bitch. She suggested that sexual overtures been made to her by various members of our family. Piss<\/i> on this kind of shit. I\u2019ll sue<\/i> her too. Let her say one goddamned word, and she won\u2019t get one bit<\/i> of her twelve hundred dollar paycheck \u2018cause I\u2019ll get eleven hundred dollars of it every da\u2013 every week, because I\u2019m going to sue<\/i> it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause) Right.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Some of our people are not here today. We found out she come on to Danny Curtin. So wherever he is, he ought to be written. How in the hell\u2019s he know what kind of insanity. I\u2019ve got a daughter that comes on to him sexually and tells him a bunch of lies about my family. Son of a bitchin\u2019 no good lousy ass anarchistic capitalist bitch. That\u2019s what I say about my relatives, but you won\u2019t say it. Some of you won\u2019t say it. You say, oh, my daughter, my son. Let me tell you, if my daughter, adopted at seven years of age\u2013 uh, twenty thousand dollars put in initially, and all the years of education and patient training, and she<\/i> becomes a bourgeoisie and turns against this goddamned movement, if she<\/i> turns about this beautiful movement, turns against it and says every goddamned lie she can think on this movement, then you better be sure your relatives are no different than mine.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause) Right.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013come down here if we\u2019d pay her check\u2013 ticket. I said she can swim<\/i> down here, by God. I\u2019m not paying her ticket anywhere<\/i>. (Tape edit) She\u2019d get in here, by God and she\u2019d have to qu\u2013 and she won\u2019t get in here. (Pause) \u2018Cause we\u2019ll drown her in mud before she gets five feet inside the gate. (Pause) I mean it. I mean it from the soul\u2013 you don\u2019t think I mean it, I do. When people\u2013 who is my father, who is my sister, who is my brother, but he who does the wills of socialism, he that doth the will of socialism, and if you trust your damn relative, you\u2019re a fool<\/i>, because if they were where they ought to be, they\u2019da got out of that mess and be over here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause) Right.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice builds) But the Indians have lost their land. It\u2019s all over<\/i> the newspapers. It\u2019s Senate Bill 1437<\/a> going to put us in a dictatorship, and it was co-sponsored by Senator [Ted] Kennedy. It\u2019s all over<\/i> the newspapers that Ku Klux Klan rising in every town and causing\u2013 setting fires and burning down houses, even in the north. It\u2019s all over<\/i> the newspapers. They don\u2019t give a damn. They don\u2019t give a damn. They don\u2019t have any race pride. Piss<\/i> on \u2018em. (Pause) I mean piss on \u2018em. I\u2019m through with her. I\u2019m through with it. Don\u2019t mention her name to me. I have forgotten her name. I don\u2019t want her name mentioned to me. She is over<\/i>, after what the shit she pulled last night, she<\/i> is over<\/i>. I mean it. Over<\/i>. Don\u2019t you even ask<\/i> me about Suzanne. Don\u2019t you even mention her goddamned name, because to me, she\u2019s a class enemy and if there was a revolution, I\u2019d take her with all the other goddamned enemies! (tape edit) (Calms) It\u2019s like, Castro, when he was dealing with his sister [Juanita Castro] \u2013 closest sister, he\u2019d given her all of attention \u2013 Doctor Castro built that beautiful socialism on the island of Cuba, and his sister called him on a radio of Miami, she does it every day for fifteen years. He\u2019s a monster<\/i> that needs to be destroyed. He said, what do you think about a sister who would say that of her brother, that he\u2019s a monster that needs to be destroyed? Said I\u2019d rather<\/i> she call me a monster that needs to be destroyed, rather that than she said that she\u2019s my sister and getting special privilege. Said I have chosen socialism and she has chosen capitalism and I have forgotten her. (Voice hardens) And that\u2019s what you ought to do with your damn relatives\u2013 forget<\/i> them! (tape edit) You think they\u2019re different, but they wouldn\u2019t piss on you to put a fire out. (Pause) You say, well (stumbles over words), I know my daughter. Let me tell you, if you brought a daughter or a son into this earth, they hate<\/i> you for bringing them into the earth. I adopted<\/i> mine. And I paid twenty thousand dollars, just the first round to get her to freedom, and I treated her just as sweet as I could, and her mother indulged her far<\/i> too much. I\u2019da jumped her earlier if Marceline [Jones] hadn\u2019t been a sweet, kind of motherly type like she\u2013 uh, she\u2019d give her mother a threat<\/i>. She threatened her mother this week on the radio \u2013 Marcy\u2019ll be back to\u2013 the end of this weekend, she\u2019ll be back \u2013 but she threatened<\/i> her mother over the goddamned telephone. I got my\u2013 if I had my hands on her fucking neck, I\u2019d run her through a wringer.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (agitated) \u2013these people ever walk down the path. Sell that goddamned shit on her. And then start some shit, threatening her. Goddamn it, don\u2019t let her get close to me, \u2018cause I\u2019ll grab her\u2013 you\u2019ll have to\u2013 you\u2019ll have to pull me off. It\u2019s a good thing I\u2019m<\/i> not back there. Goddamn these fucking liars. It\u2019s a good thing I\u2019m not back there, \u2018cause in about two<\/i> hours I\u2019d have several of them taken care of. I mean it, I\u2019m not just kidding you, I\u2019d take care of some of these damn liars.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They\u2019re lower than a snake\u2019s belly.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What kind of sickness is this? He didn\u2019t want to tell me\u2013 Lew [Jones] told me tonight what she tried to do. Honest to God, and Danny Curtin too\u2013 she tried to do it. Don\u2019t wonder he\u2013 and he\u2013 but he told\u2013 he sent a letter and then said the\u2013 it was the best place for the boys. He wished he\u2019d stay here\u2013 so you\u2019d ought to write him. You ought to write him. Because how in the hell\u2019s he going to know? Stupid ass sister\u2013 daughter of the leader carrying on like that\u2013 fucking everybody comes down the road. (Pause) Some of you just won\u2019t face that about your relatives. (mimics woman) Lord, Jesus, I\u2019s in trouble, they\u2019d come. (Normal voice) Yeah, they\u2019d let you lie in a damn nursing home till you had a bed sore (unintelligible) that went all through to your spine. They could\u2013 watch your spine. That\u2019s how little they give a goddamn about you. We got a case now<\/i> we\u2019re trying to get out of a nursing home, where the relatives have not visited in three<\/i> damn years, and she wasn\u2019t even a member of the church. (Pause) Three<\/i> years. Laying there with big\u2013 great big sores on her. I said, well, get her down here where we can give her some care. \u2018Cause I\u2019ve got a heart. I\u2013 I\u2013 Fuck these people. I\u2019m saying fuck them. There\u2019s a difference between night and day, between communist, socialist and these damned filthy capitalist fascists. And you\u2019ve got to recognize, if your family\u2019s living there and enjoying it and talking up that country and asking you questions why you enjoy living over here where there\u2019s no<\/i> racism, no<\/i> genocide, no<\/i> concentration camps<\/a>, no<\/i> honky police looking at you\u2013 looking at you just waiting for you to make a move. No plans to destroy whole races when the security advisor, Brzezinski [Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter\u2019s national security advisor], talks about wiping out all<\/i> of the minorities and he\u2019s the head of the Trilateral Commission that picked [Jimmy] Carter and picked [Gerald] Ford, so he\u2019d be sure<\/i> he\u2019d have a winner. He\u2013 he\u2013 if Ford lost, he\u2019d have Carter, if Carter lost, he\u2019d have Ford. And you\u2019d save those people sit there and eat and sleep and watch that TV. They ain\u2019t worth shit<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013trying killing people in Chicago uh, and the police wiped out I don\u2019t know how many dozen, just shot down innocent bystanders in Philadelphia, and then they go along with that? Not to mention all the tax dollars that they\u2013 they spend when they buy food in the grocery store and taken out of their check when they make the\u2013 when they get their pay and blowing up all of these innocent babies all around the world. We ought to be our brother\u2019s and sister\u2019s keeper. That means our brothers\u2019 and sisters\u2019 keeper in Africa too.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m sick of \u2018em! (tape edit) \u2013I\u2019d fight them until the last ded\u2013 bitch I had. I didn\u2019t have nothing but cutlet, with the cut of my fingernails, I\u2019d go after them. Some of you don\u2019t hate<\/i> that system enough. You\u2019re still in love with that goddamned system.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> No, I\u2019m not!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (confrontational) Oh, don\u2019t tell me you\u2019re not! \u2018Cause you\u2019re always griping about some little old damned thing you don\u2019t have. I don\u2019t miss<\/i> that shit. Out here, I don\u2019t miss<\/i> all those white faces I don\u2019t see. I don\u2019t miss<\/i> it. To me<\/i>, if we never got further than this<\/i>, it\u2019d be heaven, by God.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013for her trade with uh, and the USA on their headlines, hit Britain and<\/i> USA for trading and been secretly<\/i> trading with Rhodesia and Union of South Africa that\u2019s got concentration camps, and they put it right in the damn front headlines. Sure, I\u2019m glad we got this African nation. I believe in having a lot of aces up your sleeve. I\u2013 I\u2019m still telling you, it\u2013 this is ten times better than anything we ever had. You\u2019re a damn fool<\/i> if you don\u2019t see it. You put that down to these people.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013the trouble with some of you, you can\u2019t see beyond your ass. Your love affairs. We got a couple of young fine Guyanese that come in, we\u2019ll get more in. Why in the hell don\u2019t you wait? You\u2019ll get plenty of boys. Young men coming in. But just as like more of the girls than there are boys. You have plenty of time, but by God, this business of drinking gasoline. All this shit, running off because of your love life. If that\u2019s all you are, you\u2019re just no more than a damn monkey.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2013 your\u2013 your commitment\u2019s no de\u2013 deeper than an animal<\/i>. As much as I love Marceline, and I believe in her, nobody could move her, but by God if she had changed tomorrow, I\u2019d still not desert you. \u2018Cause I believe in communism. You\u2019re my family, just as much as she<\/i> is. See, you don\u2019t see much\u2013\u00a0 (Unintelligible word). They don\u2019t understand that, they don\u2019t want to relate<\/i> to that. If my wife said, I\u2019m not going to be a communist, I\u2019d say, well, forget<\/i> it, by God, I\u2019ll forget you too<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013(unintelligible) shits. Suzanne, Mike Cartmell been behind\u2013 behind the scenes helping Tim Stoen all along. But they don\u2019t want to get their name out in front, but I got \u2018em now. I got my witnesses and I got my evidence. I\u2019ll sue the shit out of them. They won\u2019t have enough to eat, they won\u2019t have enough to fi\u2013 buy kidney<\/i> beans when I<\/i> get through with them. I\u2019m sw\u2013 we got a new set of attorneys now. We got attorney Mark Lane, world<\/i> famous. I ain\u2019t dealing with old toupee [Charles] Garry now. I\u2019m dealing with Mark Lane, and by God, you open your mouth, he\u2013 he threatens to sue your ass<\/i>. He stopping\u2013 he stopped New West<\/i> and he stopped the Enquirer<\/i>, flat ass. Said I\u2019ll sue you for seventy million dollars.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013But we didn\u2019t have a way of knowing him. It takes time to get to know people. Linus Pauling\u2019s going to use our whole community\u2019s an experiment, it looks like, for vitamin C, because vitamin C is the wonder<\/i> drug of all creation. He\u2019s going\u2013 he wants us, and it looks like he\u2019s going to furnish us all<\/i> the vitamin C we want, see\u2013 because it eliminates cancer, heart disease and all kinds of disease. So he\u2019s going to use us as an experiment to show the wonders of vitamin C. Gone to give it to us free.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013ner. Famous scientist. It\u2019s working, it\u2019s coming. They thought they had us stamped down in the ground. And they had our asses here setting wondering whether we go living or dying. But by God, we\u2019re still here and some of those sons-a-bitches are going to be dead in their grave, but we\u2019ll still be here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause and shouts) That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013got something to say here. (tape edit) All them people in special services get the high points without names, they be\u2013 they better know what the hell\u2019s in store for them. One more leap, by God. And they can leap in a goddamned tiger\u2019s mouth. (short laugh) (tape edit) \u2013course it\u2019s got this place\u2013 the border protected. They have sub-machine guns and in just seconds<\/i>, they shoot about 80\u2013 80 rounds. (tape edit) \u2013get to bed. Some son-bitch running loose. Let them run loose. Let them run loose. Fuck it, we\u2019ll go on and eat our breakfast and go to work.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013got some kind of rare disease and it\u2019s been tak\u2013 took about two weeks to cure it. We don\u2019t have no diseases in here. When you get in that damn jungle and don\u2019t know what you do, you\u2019ll get an\u2013 a\u2013 a\u2013 anything<\/i>. We have no mosquito here that carries any\u2013 any kind of disease. In the US, they\u2013 even the mosquitoes<\/i> carry brain<\/i> fever. We don\u2019t have<\/i> that here. It\u2019ll paralyze you and cause you death. And they got one that causes arthritis till you can\u2019t even move your joints. But you get out in the jungles, there\u2019s a circle around here like (calls out) Nehemiah\u2019s wall<\/i> that is protected us from any of that. We\u2019ve never had the first<\/i> snake to bite us, and I don\u2019t need to talk about the miracles of somebody landing on their head and that\u2019s a miracle. I don\u2019t need to talk about the greatness of a young woman that was dying of bacteria in the blood and there\u2019s no way you could cure it and she was in a coma just slobbering at the mouth and I said come to, and she came to.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t have<\/i> to talk about James Baisy when I walked by him and said move my hand over and said he\u2019s going to be all right and he was, and that\u2019s just one day. I don\u2019t have<\/i> to talk about it. The fact that we\u2019ve not had any accidents that hasn\u2019t been cured, the fact that we have not had one snake bite, that\u2019s a proof enough of (calls out) who I am<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers)<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/b><\/p>\n

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