{"id":27403,"date":"2013-06-16T00:19:58","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:19:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27403"},"modified":"2014-04-03T23:06:36","modified_gmt":"2014-04-03T23:06:36","slug":"q269","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27403","title":{"rendered":"Q269 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

(Note<\/strong>: This tape was one of the 53 tapes initially withheld from disclosure.)<\/em><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All right. Nothing else? That\u2019s the final praise. (unintelligible name) good attitude and very good worker for the past three weeks, we praise him, highly for that and we\u2019ll reward you. All you that\u2019re praised, let\u2019s stand up please.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Tell your neighbor three miracles. There\u2019ve been plenty of them.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Hums)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub) (organ plays)<\/p>\n

(rhythmic clapping)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (sings) I\u2019m grateful, I\u2019m mighty grateful, I\u2019m so grateful\u2013 (speaks) Everybody now, join in\u2013<\/p>\n

Unknown male 1:<\/strong> (sings) I\u2019m mighty grateful\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible word) listen\u2013<\/p>\n

Unknown male 1:<\/strong> (sings) He has led us\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (sings, harmonizes with male) \u2013another day, I\u2019m so grateful, I\u2019m mighty grateful, He has led us on our way\/ He\u2019s in my joy, my joy, my joy\/ My joy and sorrow, (unintelligible) tomorrow\/ He\u2019s been my shelter\/ In the time of (unintelligible)\/ He\u2019s been my friend\/ When we got lost\/ That\u2019s why I\u2019m grateful\/I\u2019m mighty grateful\u2013 (speaks) Come on, let\u2019s clap our hands, (unintelligible under male\u2019s singing), Come on\u2013<\/p>\n

(tape edit) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jack Beam:<\/strong> Well, they found one where I did it. Two of \u2018em, in the trash. Now these steel packs are for your protection. If you get a cut or a tourniquet or something on uh\u2013 in those, to be able to help you out<\/em>, uh, supervisors. So I want an accounting of every one of those, so I\u2019ll know who lost their packs in the trash. And we\u2019ll take care of that in our department, we don\u2019t have to take care of that, and then we\u2019ll feed you to the people next rally. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Tomorrow, the junior high will work in agriculture, from 8:30 to 11:30 am. They\u2019ll be with their teacher, uh, we\u2019ll harvest young cutlass beans. They should wear boots if they have them. In the past, the junior high school has rendered valuable assistance in agriculture. They have proven themselves to be hard workers in the field and a real credit to Dad and socialism. We\u2019re looking forward to seeing them in the same good work out there tomorrow. And I\u2019m sure that they\u2013 that the family is looking forward to having some of those good cutlass bean patties from the young cutlass beans that they will be harvesting. The teachers will be with their students, should meet Gene Chaikin at the dining room tent, and they will all go together out to the field.<\/p>\n

Also, I\u2019d like to report: three weeks projection. And we would like to have everybody\u2019s<\/em> uh, cooperation in this. If we ask you to uh, uh, do things, and some of you people will be called on to fill in for some of the younger, more uh, energetic folk that we have here, and uh\u2013 so we\u2019ll be asking, maybe you seniors uh, that we see, uh, and try to get you involved.<\/p>\n

Uh, here\u2019s the schedule. And also before I say that, I never had a chance to say it to our crews, but don\u2019t come and tell me<\/em> that we\u2019ve got a field harvested, if you said we just harvested the potatoes for that day, uh, because I have to arrange tractor time or Cat time in the field and\u2013 for plowing and to get it ready for our new crop<\/em>. And so somebody told me, after we had those 700 pounds of sweet potatoes harvested that we\u2019d harvested the field<\/em>, or they\u2019d harvested it all<\/em>. Anyhow, I got the message out of it, the field was cleared, and there\u2019s a lot more sweet potatoes out there to be harvested, so I don\u2019t want that mistake.<\/p>\n

But here\u2019s the three week projection. In other words, if you harvest that day, let us know whether stuff\u2019s still in the field so we won\u2019t arrange tractor time in there.<\/p>\n

Charlie Touchette:<\/strong> (unintelligible), Jack [Beam].<\/p>\n

Beam:<\/strong> It\u2019s six\u2013 uh, it\u2019s a ten-acre field.<\/p>\n

Touchette:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Beam:<\/strong> I know<\/em>. I found that out<\/em>. We\u2019re going out there and harvest topa\u2013 potatoes in the same field tomorrow. But \u2013 listen to this, bu\u2013 (unintelligible word) brought this up, you\u2019ll hear it. Three week projection. Field 6. Harvest sweet potatoes and plow and plant beans, ten acres. For black-eyed peas and beans, all of that\u2019s going in there. So I\u2019ve only got one\u2013 one\u2013 one harvest<\/em> out of there, so as Charlie said, it\u2019s about one-tenth done.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Beam:<\/strong> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> It\u2019s four to five acres done.<\/p>\n

Beam:<\/strong> Four to five acres left. Uh\u2013 Field X, harvest black beans, plow and plant uh, with sweet potatoes. There\u2019s 13 acres there. Field 11, reap (unintelligible word) and stake the field out. Plant bananas, (same unintelligible word, sounds like \u201cseckers\u201d), and eddoes. There\u2019s nine and a third acres out there. The uh\u2013 uh, field 17, rotoplow and plant black beans, eight acres there. Field 19, harvest<\/em> black beans, uh, plow, then plant kidney beans. There\u2019s ten acres there. Windrow East House, plant with bananas and eddoes, three acres there. Field 14, plow field and plant beans and cassava. Fifteen acres there. Field 7, intensive agriculture field, we\u2019ll uh, do drains and uh, roads and plow to get it ready for planting crops. Lastly\u2013 Well, I think you got this last week, (unintelligible word) harvested black beans, sweet potatoes and rice. On uh, the 16th, six hundred and uh, s\u2013\u00a0ninety-eight pounds of sweet potatoes. Also harvested 95 pounds of rice. Uh, we\u2019ve got the uh, rice, as we\u2019re running a race with the blackbirds out there, to see who\u2019s going to get our rice this year, and I think we\u2019re\u2013 we\u2019re just uh, holding our own out there, and that\u2019s why you heard<\/em> the report that Dad<\/em> gave that uh, we\u2019re picking it a little\u2013 little green and cutting it off, and it\u2013 if you see a\u2013 a tarp<\/em> laying out here at the side, uh, Comrade [Jewell James] Simpson has got the rice laying out that where he can roll it up in there to bring it in when it starts to rain. But we\u2019re having to dry it that way. Also we uh, (pause) are going to have some black beans, I think, probably in the next day or two, to eat., because uh, we had another uh, neglected\u2013 a negligent act. Uh, I\u2019d started\u2013 I got permission to use our clothes<\/em> dryer uh, to dry the black beans in \u2013 two hundred pounds of \u2018em \u2013 and I left a\u2013 a brother in charge<\/em>, and uh, when I left<\/em> him, I showed him everything to do, and he left one whole sack and didn\u2019t dry \u2018em, so we tried to dry \u2018em the next day, but they had just started to get a little mildew on \u2018em. They\u2019re good to eat, they\u2019re not\u2013 there\u2019s nothing wrong with it eating, but we\u2019re afraid if we would go on and dry \u2018em out with that little bit of mildew started, if they\u2019d ever get damp or anything, we\u2019d put \u2018em away. We chan\u2013\u00a0take a chance of losing \u2018em. So, what we\u2019re saying is, when we ask you to do a job, especially if it\u2019s harvesting time, the people that are in charge that uh, tell me, I don\u2019t begin to know, uh, uh, a tenth of what I should about farming. I know how to work, I know how to stir people up, and I know how to make people mad, but I have to com\u2013 I have to use every person on this\u2013 on this panel to tell me what\u2019s happening. And if I come to you and I tell you a way to do something, I haven\u2019t taken that\u2013 that on my own, I have conferred with one of my comrades up here, that that\u2019s their field or that\u2019s their specialty, and we want you to follow it out to the tee. All right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Beam:<\/strong> So much for my report. And I thank you.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Anybody here who has any suggestions on how to keep birds out of\u2013 out of the field\u2013\u00a0the birds out of the rice field, uh, could you turn in your suggestion to the agricultural office.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> I\u2013 I didn\u2019t say voice them all, you know, out loud\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Don\u2018t\u2013\u00a0don\u2019t speak like birds. One at a time. (Pause) We ask you for some rec\u2013 uh, recommendation. If anybody know enough to stand on your own or to mumble like a bunch of clucking hens. What is it?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/strong> Father, when I raised a garden, we\u2019d make something like a scarecrow, and we\u2019d take the uh, bottoms out of, you know, uh, vegetable cans, those little round pieces that come out of the cans, and stick a hole in it and tie a string on it, and tie it on the arm of the scarecrow, and the\u2013 the wind, you know, (unintelligible) scare them away too.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I hope they\u2019re not the kind of birds we get over here on these goddamn wires here. They were\u2013 they wouldn\u2019t even get scared when you shoot<\/em> \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What?<\/p>\n

Woman 2:<\/strong> Uh, you don\u2019t have to make the scarecrows, you can just fix up some poles and put some wires across them and take the tin\u2013\u00a0the tin tops, and string them on the wire. And the wind\u2013\u00a0when the wind\u2013 get \u2018em, hanging down, and when the wind blow, let them hit together and they\u2019ll scare the birds away.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> (Faint)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Laughs) Oh, shit, what is the damn\u2013 Let\u2019s eat\u2013 let\u2019s\u2013 let\u2019s shoot the birds and eat them<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> By the way\u2013 By the way\u2013 By the way, someone gave a, uh\u2013\u00a0a, uh\u2013 I don\u2019t know, the driver hasn\u2019t always been that (Stumbles over words)\u2013 You caught a turtle, and you gave the turtle to\u2013 away. Shouldna done that, that shoulda been brought here to put in for our children and\u2013 (unintelligible word) nutritional food, great big land turtle, and you gave it away<\/em>. (Pause) I met\u2013 I met \u2018em right in the damn drive, he said, well, uh, it was\u2013 it was given to me<\/em>, by one of you<\/em>. Well, I almost wanted to take it back, but it\u2019d cause quite a public relations problem. Don\u2019t give anything away. These turtles are delicious<\/em> food.<\/p>\n

Young man:<\/strong> Dad, the turtle was found on our road and uh, when the guy picked it up, he put it in the back, and he asked us if he could have it, and I said no, we\u2019re gonna keep it, and then, when I drove up in the truck, before I could turn the truck around, he asked Bob Rankin if he could have it, and Bob said yes. And that\u2019s when all the guests were\u2013 were standing right there in front of him.<\/p>\n

Rankin:<\/strong> Uh\u2013\u00a0uh, he had got out of the truck and\u2013 and\u2013 and\u2013 and then picked it up, I do\u2013\u00a0I didn\u2019t know who had (unintelligible under Jones).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You had (unintelligible word) food, Bob. I\u2019m telling you, there\u2019s a protein lack in some people. The beans are gonna help a great deal on this, but uh, uh\u2013 Well, not great<\/em> protein lack, but we can always use the extra. And turtle\u2019s one of the most delicious and rare meats there are. I\u2013 I uh\u2013 I don\u2019t uh\u2013 You make turtle soup, it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s ridiculous. Ridiculous. I don\u2019t know. That man\u2019s not ve\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t particularly like that<\/em> man, uh, it wouldna made any difference if it\u2019d been public relations with some of you, but I don\u2019t like it, anybody (unintelligible) pick up a damn turtle, you guys oughta been looking around to find it yourself. You people oughta look when you go through there. There\u2019s a lot of things you can see like that. Turtles, and they\u2019re great big ones. They\u2013 He gonna kill it, so we might as well have.<\/p>\n

Rankin:<\/strong> He asked me\u2013 He asked me what we used the turtle for, and I told him that we\u2013 we ate \u2018em all the time. And I say, we find \u2018em all the time and we eat \u2018em, we put \u2018em in our soup, and he agreed, yes. As a matter of fact, that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s what he said he was gonna do with it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But he did it.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If people will be observant enough out there, you could run into a lot of things that would help our protein. (Pause) Well, don\u2019t make that mistake again, anyone here. Okay?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Beam:<\/strong> Uh, the last uh, two or three times that I\u2019ve been out in this area here in the jungle, right in the front end of the jungle, we\u2019ve found several of these uh, uh, what they call a bush turkey. It\u2019s a powees. It\u2019s rather a large bird with\u2013 it\u2019s all black except a large area of white under its tail, and uh, they\u2019re pretty good eatin\u2019, and I think maybe if somebody go over there huntin\u2019, I found\u2013\u00a0I found a flock of about a half a dozen of them over there. And uh\u2013 (unintelligible under Jones).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> Powees. Powees is the name of the bird.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I know\u2013 I know what they are. What\u2013\u00a0what field.<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> It\u2019s uh, it\u2019s in that road that\u2013\u00a0directly west of Camp One, right\u2013 right down into the jungle there. All the way back \u2018cross the field into the jungle.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, can uh, an arrow\u2013 with a bow and arrow do\u2013 do that?<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> Y\u2013 Yes, if he had somebody uh, good enough and uh, get to \u2018em, uh, they\u2013 they\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do we have anybody good enough, (unintelligible word)?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (faint)<\/p>\n

Male 4:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry to say, uh, I\u2019m the only one at\u2013 at this time that I know of here that is accurate at any range.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Why don\u2019t you try your luck at one wi\u2013 An arrow won\u2019t fi\u2013 Uh, if it don\u2019t, we can use our licensed\u2013 Yeah, we have no weapons. Anybody ever ask if you have guns? No. No. Guyana\u2019s licensed some, plus we do not admit that to anybody coming in. Guyana doesn\u2019t care, but it could hurt our people back there, because they say we\u2019re an armed camp, gonna come back and take over the United States. Do you understand what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So you see no guns, we don\u2019t have them, we obviously don\u2019t see them, and uh, we uh, remember certain things because we don\u2019t want our people hurt back there. If you want your freedom here\u2013 because I\u2019ll be back there, if they start on our people. I\u2019m telling you, I\u2019m not gone let \u2018em be up against the wall. You better all breathe sigh of deep, deep concern, and uh, work hard so we can get them over here and quit wastin\u2019, because if one of \u2018em gets into some difficulty due to uh, our stupid mouths or some traitor, there will be quite a reaction to me\u2013\u00a0from me. (Pause) And all those who caused it will regret it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I do mean that. And I can carry out my word.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. There a number of things you talk about constantly. They ask you if you get your mail, don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t (unintelligible) you remember what you want to, then open your big fat mouth, \u2018cause we got somebody here. You get your mail? Yes, I get my own mail. Did anybody help you write it? No, I don\u2019t need any help to write it. You understand what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You better not say anything else now, you rea\u2013 better get your ears open and don\u2019t make any big mistake now. Don\u2019t you make any mistake. \u2018Cause some of you like to make mistakes. You like the end of the world, then make a mistake. (Pause) Okay? What else was it? Obviously, we don\u2019t have to talk about beatings and whipping. We don\u2019t do that. We don\u2019t hit<\/em> people, \u2018cept one here today, and that was not\u2013 that\u2019s done with the total disapproval of this body, and another one is now permanently in\u2013 in uh, mental care because she bit. And I\u2019ve warned<\/em> you people to watch her, but some people think that I\u2019m inhumane when I say those people should be kept under medical care<\/em>. Any\u2013\u00a0In so\u2013 society keeps people under care. That woman tried to kill me with the cutlass. If I hadn\u2019t had a revelation and looked<\/em> around, she\u2019da cut my head off. Orde Dennis. Now today, when she was required to take her medicine, she talked about slave camps and all sor\u2013 sort of\u2013 uh, so forth and so on, because she was required to take her medicine, and then turned around and bit to the\u2013 into the bone, into the skin, uh, one of\u2013 one of the Simon brothers. Mike Simon. Now, I\u2019m telling you one thing, and it required tetanus. So\u2013\u00a0so she\u2019s just permanently<\/em> isolated from this community, and Guyana, the United States, anybody else would support us in that. So I don\u2019t care about that. But we don\u2019t talk about that either. But I\u2019m not letting nuts<\/em> run loose. We\u2019re not going to have violence done to anybody. So don\u2019t play your nutty game. And don\u2019t uh, carry on with hysterical fits, because we\u2019re not going to reward them. Stop<\/em> your hysterics. That\u2019s why I said, come off your game earlier tonight to someone. Don\u2019t play any hysterical fits here. You go mad? We\u2019ll treat you with a strait jacket.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019m sick of this shit. Now (Pause) we do not uh, obviously have sermons on the air. We don\u2019t have sermons. Six hours in every field, the P.A. system, we only have P.A. system in central area of the community. We don\u2019t have them in the fields at all. That\u2019s asinine. What else\u2013 You better get this stuff in your brain. We don\u2019t bury babies, uh\u2013 uh\u2013 and uh, punish them by burying them. We don\u2019t bury seniors up to their heads. We don\u2019t bury people in boxes. We don\u2019t put<\/em> people in boxes. What in hell else?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (faint)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We don\u2019t make our seniors go naked. Yes. Or go barefooted. What?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (faint)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh, we don\u2019t give a damn who marries who. Nobody has to get approval for marriage. That\u2019s ridiculous. Uh\u2013 people don\u2019t even have<\/em> to get legally married. That\u2019s their choice. We don\u2019t impose rules on the community in that way. So don\u2019t\u2013\u00a0don\u2019t\u2013\u00a0Uh\u2013 What is it?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (faint)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All families live together? Of course. They have their own individual homes and plenty of room and all<\/em> we want to eat and all kinds of variety of fe\u2013 uh, food, and we have protein \u2013 that means meat \u2013 at every meal, and you do have it, in one form or another. Protein and meat is the same thing. You understand?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Plenty of fruit\u2013 And you better not complain, damn you, not one, to anybody that comes in here. You hear me?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And don\u2019t start no more crap, \u2018cause I\u2019ve had enough of it. Don\u2019t go out and start no more crap. (Pause) I\u2019ll haunt your ass clear down\u2013 I don\u2019t care where you hide, you hide in the ballyhoo, in the swamps of Mississippi. (Pause) I found one of the suckers in West Germany.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Nobody hearing<\/em> from him these days either. Take note, child. Take note. Don\u2019t mess with this movement. We\u2019re trying to harm no one, and never have harmed anybody. We\u2019re peace<\/em>-loving people, but don\u2019t try to hurt my people and get my people in trouble back there. Don\u2019t you do that. You can\u2019t hurt us here, but don\u2019t<\/em> you do it. And I mean, don\u2019t be mouthing off in front of people that come in here. You don\u2019t know who they are. They may come in\u2013\u00a0Well, most of the people come in very friendly, but you don\u2019t know CIA, someone can in\u2013 infiltrate, or a reporter could come in under false disguise. You got to be aware. Why, goddamnit, uh, even the Rolling Stone <\/em>spoke of thousands of reporters working for the CIA. And I gave you a story about one [Martha Peterson], that\u2019s named the same as our dear Rosa Peterson that I healed from cancer when she was in the Georgetown hospital, and the doctors gave her up. She has the same name she<\/em> did. Do you remember that name? Who was that name? How many know that name, Rose Peterson, that connected this very week with the news. New York Times<\/em> foreign edition spoke about it. What\u2019d the woman do? She was\u2013 She worked for the CIA, and was acting like she was an innocent member of the US Embassy. A Consul. And she was putting the poison in a rock and explosives and slipping around in the busses of Moscow, and hid it under a bridge. Playing an all-American girl and good Christian, beauty queen, and now, by God, she\u2013 even in the USA, she\u2019s not popular. What is it? What\u2019s that? Oh uh\u2013\u00a0Okay.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (faint)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Said she not happy doing that cloak and dagger work, even though she got paid the money, she has to stay in exile in the Miami community. (unintelligible) with anybody.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (faint)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You don\u2019t know who in the hell anybody<\/em> is anymore, and you don\u2019t who in the hell\u2013 So your best practice is to\u2013 You can talk about how happy you are and how wonderful it is. If they ask how you like the place, well, who wouldn\u2019t like the place? Hear what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Who wouldn\u2019t love the good food and the g\u2013\u00a0the good television and the wonderful shows. By the way, they tell me that I can\u2019t show these television, because we cannot get the general\u2013 generators stabilized. Is there no way electricians\u2013 Uh, we got electrical problem, (unintelligible word) too, and the transformer shoulda been uh, uh, put on a priority<\/em>. Is there\u2019s no way that when that uh, cur\u00ad\u2013 current is going uh, below par that we can\u2019t disconnect? Someone monitor it? I hate to be put without television.<\/p>\n

Television one of the great educators in uh\u2013 that we have. How many remember the golden years imprinted on your heart? Last night was a hell<\/em> of a good movie, uh, when I saw it, it was a re\u2013 remarkable (unintelligible word), just exactly what US hospitals do, just exactly what it\u2013 they do, and yet a comedy of comedies. A take-off on all the religious nuts, and it\u2019s so goddamn true, and yet it\u2019s so goddamn funny. You\u2019d laugh about it, if you didn\u2019t\u2013 if\u2013 if you\u2013 you were living it, you wouldn\u2019t. If you were in those hospitals\u2013 Say, it really happens every day. How many saw The Hospital<\/em>? You must<\/em> see it. It\u2019s gonna be required. Tomorrow night, uh, set it up for tomorrow night, to see it, those who haven\u2019t seen it. See it tomorrow night. It is funnier than hell, George C. Scott, and you\u2019ll laugh your ass through it (short laugh), but it\u2013 you\u2019ll\u2013 you\u2019ll know\u2013 you say, (Stumbles over words) that can\u2019t happen, somebody say, well, that\u2019s too ridiculous. Ridiculous? I remember Helen Swinney who was gonna help this cause (Stumbles over words), the best surgeon in g\u2013 in the\u2013 Ukiah, and the best orthopedic specialist were gonna operate her knee, so she was gonna collect some money for this church, and she hadn\u2019t even had a fall. She was just saying so. And by God, they were going to operate her. They said, yes, the X-rays say you\u2019ve got it. That\u2019s a bunch of butchers that want to do that.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And\u2013\u00a0What?<\/p>\n

Male 5:<\/strong> And they operated on Cleave\u2019s [Cleave Swinney] wrong knee.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They operated on Cleave\u2019s wrong knee?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, no, no, Debbie Curtin. I don\u2019t know about Cleave.<\/p>\n

Male 5:<\/strong> Cleave was a long time ago.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They did operate on Cleave\u2019s wrong knee?<\/p>\n

Male 5:<\/strong> On (unintelligible word) my brother.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And they were gonna operate on Mike? Mike Lund [Michael Rozynko] over that time, he was gettin\u2019 goddamned concerned, he put an x on the knee, he said, heh, heh, heh, heh. He put an x on the knee, that\u2019s the only thing saved him.<\/p>\n

Male 5:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause they had his ass\u2013 they had his ass runnin\u2019 there to Mount Zion Hospital, and they\u2013 they gonna operate the wrong knee. He said, no, this is not the knee. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd:<\/strong> (laughs).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Mike was pretty wise. (Laughs) He was scheduled for somebody else\u2019s operation. I mean, that\u2019s crazy shit, goes on at US hospitals.<\/p>\n

Male 5:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They took the transfusion\u2013 you heard the crap, we\u2019ve brought nurses on the floor that took in\u2013 took out the life-saving intravenous, cut their bells off. There one old fucker that was committin\u2019 murder in this movie, he said, well, I knew<\/em> the way I could get by with the murders was to ring my bell<\/em>. I knew<\/em> that would guarantee me an hour and a half.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd:<\/strong> (laughs).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s the damn truth. You ring your damn bell in the hospital, they\u2019ll all ignore you, in US hospitals.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So he said the best way he could know he\u2019d have four\u2013\u00a0he\u2019d have time to carry out his murders was to ring the bell. Nobody came. (Laughs) Funny, but it\u2019s true<\/em>. You don\u2019t know what you\u2019ve been<\/em> saved from. By this time, some of you\u2019d have been operated, and they\u2019d been taking out shit from your bodies\u2013\u00a0over one-third of all cancer surgery\u2019s unnecessary, in USA. (Pause) Something like one half<\/em> of the breast surgeries. (Pause) You save yourself from a lot, and you need to be grateful for what you have. You say, there wonderful medicine? Sixty-some people in the medical profession here. Well, what do you ever see, a ratio of adults\u2013 that\u2019s one (short laugh)\u2013 that\u2019s one out of five adults, devoted to your medical care. That\u2019s quite\u2013 That\u2019s quite a program.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> It is.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd:<\/strong> (agrees)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now, you seniors better wake up, and you better give the right answer, \u2018cause I better have nobody uh, gettin\u2019 up and saying, well, (Stumbles over words) somebody come in, how do you feel, I fell off the top bunk of the bed.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd: <\/strong>Ooh.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We\u2019ll see if you can fall off the\u2013 two<\/em> bunks the next time.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd: <\/strong>(laughs).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/strong> Well, first of all, there\u2019s a standby generator which we had planned to\u2013 to reinstall over here, and uh, we had hoped to run uh, another line from it to uh, to isolate this system. And that we hope will solve a lot of the problems. There is no guarantee on that for sure, but we\u2013 though, except by trying it\u2013 though we are pretty sure it will help a lot.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Is there any way we can monitor, so we can cut it off when we see the low voltage come in, because I\u2013\u00a0I\u2013 I\u2019m understand (Stumbles over words) facing indefinite, or are we gonna face all the sets burned down, or what?<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/strong> Uh, again, when we uh\u2013 when we run this uh\u2013 what we\u2019ll (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Can they monitor it?<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/strong> Yes, we can, and also\u2013 also on the standby generator.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But they don\u2019t. Professor [Richard] Tropp says they don\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Male 7:<\/strong> (fades in from off mike) \u2013When the color goes\u2013\u00a0When the co\u2013 When the color goes out, and that thing goes black and white, you got low voltage. If it keeps flickering like that, you might as well turn the thing off, as far as I\u2019m concerned, unless someone has got a better opinion, because the last time, we blew the thing out, we were out four<\/em> months without that equipment<\/em>, and we\u2019re gonna do it again. If we keep running it on its fluctuating low voltage. That\u2019s the way it looks to me.<\/p>\n

Male 8:<\/strong> Well, we send around a whole new line through the uh, uh\u2013 single line for the generator that can hasndle this, you know, uh, TV gets along, it won\u2019t be mixed up with the uh, radio.<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/strong> Nevertheless, uh, there\u2019s\u2013\u00a0like we said, we still cannot guarantee (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible intro) \u2013I understood that\u2013 (unintelligible) always understood that amperage, watt\u2013 wattage to run a radio, though they make all 600 watts, is actually 2000 watts. And I understand some of the radio operators say it\u2019s not true. What is it?<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/strong> I\u2019m not sure. We\u2019ll have to look at the book. It couldn\u2019t\u2013 They say\u2013 (pause) I looked\u2013\u00a0I looked today, we had\u2013 had a big fi\u2013 uh, argument over that and uh, the radio\u2019s a long\u2013 they uh\u2013 it takes 300 watts to run \u2018em apiece. We let\u2013 I can get a book, showing anybody who wants to right now. That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible intro) \u2013what I\u2013 what you read, but I\u2013 I\u2019d always heard that we were putting out\u2013 I\u2019ve heard them talking over, during this Q sewing they used to do all night, that these suckers to\u2013 that you\u2019re doing a lot of it now, uh, I appreciate that much \u2013 to build up goodwill, but they would say that it was actually a 200\u2013 uh, 2000 watts.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs.<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/strong> Yeah\u2013 yeah. It\u2013 When we use the amplifier, but we don\u2019t use it, \u2018cause they don\u2019t have proper voltage for that either. Uh, we always running the wrong voltage in the radio room for the radio, it\u2019s down to uh, about a hundred three volts right now, and we did a lot of tests uh, w\u2013 just tonight, and there was low voltage in, you know, uh, everywhere. I don\u2019t know if anything can be done about it, but I know that\u2019s one\u2013\u00a0one of\u2013 one of the reasons we uh, didn\u2019t have to go through radios so much is that you run the radios at low voltage so long, that\u2019s what messes them up. If we\u2013\u00a0If uh, it would cut down\u2013 (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible intro) \u2013wonder why we was using one radio after another. Well, we won\u2019t have an endless supply of those radios. It\u2019s gotta be stopped, chaps, it\u2019s gotta be stopped.<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/strong> There\u2019s\u2013\u00a0There is uh\u2013 There is uh, a\u2013 a\u2013 a leaflet which we got from uh, States just very recently which has a type of equipment which will regulate the voltage within a half a percent, for up to fifteen percent variation.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible) \u2018em to get that crap?<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/strong> And uh, I wanted to put that over the radio as soon as I could.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I told you uh, this afternoon, to make \u2018em do it. Say it\u2019s my order to get it done. Tonight<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs.<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/strong> We were\u2013 we were in the radio room tonight (clears throat) and for some reason or oth\u2013 for some reason or another, the radios in there are taking the voltage down 60 volts, just in that room alone. Now\u2013\u00a0for some reason or another, I cannot believe that something\u2019s not happening out here at the same time with the voltage. But the operators say that nothing happens out here when the voltage drops and there are 60 volts. So we operated both\u2013 both radios at the same time the other night, it dropped the voltage 60 volts in there. Also, I still\u2013 I brought this up to Chris [Rozynko] today, and I\u2019m gonna bring it up again, because I still think it\u2019s wrong, I suggested that this third line be run in here before<\/em> you move the generator. And you went ahead and said no, that wasn\u2019t necessary. We switched generators, you st\u2013 you didn\u2019t help the problem at all. Now<\/em> you\u2019re gonna switch back and run a third line. I think that you should take a note and listen to people more than what you do. I think you have a problem that you don\u2019t listen to people, and I think from what I heard in the meeting today, even your comrades on the electrical crew also suggested that this third line be run before these generators were switched. I\u2019d like to have the answer, Chris, as to why you went ahead and switched generators when it\u2013\u00a0now you\u2019re switching them back again. It cost a great deal of time to do this.<\/p>\n

Male 11:<\/strong> (in crowd, faint) \u2013about the fourth or fifth time, that something like this has happened, where they gave\u2013\u00a0where they gave you a suggestion and you just override it. The\u2013\u00a0the\u2013\u00a0Another time, we uh, acquired some uh, motors, very expensive motors, and they told you, don\u2019t wire it a certain way, and we lost fifteen hundred dollars on those motors. So why don\u2019t you follow instructions from your\u2013 from your fellow people that work with you.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Okay, to begin with, uh, uh, they\u2013 they had their idea about the w\u2013 the wiring\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 11:<\/strong> (talks over Chris, unintelligible) And, just a second too, we\u2013 we do have a law, says when somebody\u2019s on the floor, if you\u2019re a companion or in a relationship, you\u2019re supposed to be on the floor with them.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Okay, to begin with, uh, as far as this uh, this line is concerned, what uh, uh\u2013 they had their idea about it and I had my idea there about it, and there was uh, no particular\u2013 You know, we didn\u2019t know for sure which was which. Now uh, in the end, I do agree with uh\u2013 within that we tried it, because uh, other methods were exhausted, but uh, uh, as far as this generator is concerned, uh, it was a simple matter of uh, it would take less<\/em> time to change the generator out and try it than it would be to run an extra line.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (faint intro) \u2013uh, cost are you going to have here? We got a hundred and uh\u2013 We got, my God almighty, a half million dollars here already in supplies to uh\u2013 we gotta call\u2013 uh, call from the States, I haven\u2019t got<\/em> a half million uh, Guyanese, I haven\u2019t got it. No way, shape, nor form. Now what have you got in electric\u2013\u00a0electrical. It took up to two hundred thousand dollars already nearly. U.S. What is the electrical cost to get this up to this? I haven\u2019t got<\/em> it in the States. (more emphatic) I just have not got it.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> It\u2013\u00a0it appears that our\u2013 our biggest cost will be in transformers and uh, other equipment for power line supplies.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Have you got\u2013\u00a0give me some rough<\/em> estimation? I\u2019m gonna have to (Stumbles over words) runner, but\u2013 and then I\u2019m afraid to do<\/em> it, uh, I\u2019m going to have to transfer a thing back out of uh, some socialist country.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> In reference to these transformers, we\u2013 it looks like to\u2013 to be able to standardize so we\u2019d be able to get more transformers in the future, we would not<\/em> be able to get them from the States, because that\u2019s not standard in other countries. So our biggest uh, cost will not be going to the States for transformers. It\u2013 it appears as of now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Where we\u2019re gonna have to go?<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Um, from feedback we got over the radio just a couple of days ago, is a possibility we could get transformers here in Guyana through a\u2013 uh, which would be adequate, but uh, the engineer apparently is not sure uh, whether they\u2019re available. Also, uh, he said something about transformers in England.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, interesting (unintelligible under Rozynko)\u2013 (Stumbles over words) Anyplace you have to go outside, you have to go back to the dollar, unless the uh, economic market falls, and that\u2019s what US capitalism agreed to do, to restrict US, uh, people\u2019s ability to have oil or, there even\u2013 there\u2019ll be layoffs in their jobs, there gonna be a com\u2013\u00a0a total cutback in many of the oil\u2013 the oil-dependent industries, and uh, driving of your vehicles. Uh, that\u2019s the only way they can strengthen the dollar<\/em>. Otherwise, there\u2019ll be a new medium of exchange<\/em>. However, in the\u2013 in the\u2013 in the meantime, ev\u2013 ev\u2013 everywhere we go, we have to convert back to dollars to buy, so I\u2019m uh, still wanting to know, what is the guesstimation of what uh, we\u2019re going to have to pay for electrical equipment to bring us up to what uh, is par.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Uh, my\u2013 my records are\u2013 are back in the uh, back in the shop. I\u2019m not sure exactly of the price. I hate to\u2013 to say something right now without looking at it. It\u2019s uh\u2013 It\u2019s\u2013\u00a0You know. Be a lot of money, but uh, I\u2013 if I could get just a matter of a minute or so, I could go down there and get uh, my prices on it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (fades in) \u2013\u2018cause I\u2013\u00a0I\u2019m going apeshit, wonder what the hell we\u2019re gonna do. If we sell everything we have<\/em>, we haven\u2019t got this, uh, because what\u2013\u00a0one thing we\u2019re selling will not be\u2013 uh, well, I won\u2019t go into that<\/em>. But it will\u2013 it\u2019ll net us, but it will net us in a different form<\/em>. (Pause) Yes, yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/strong> Uh, they told me that the sewing cottage was on a hot line, and today, everything just went off, \u2018cept one fluorescent light, just barely was burning. And I\u2019m afraid that this is gonna damage the machines something terrible, and if it goes on tomorrow, we won\u2019t be able to run \u2018em at all.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> This is gonna be blackout day, uh, there\u2013 we have to have\u2013\u00a0uh, all electricity will be stopped on Thursday, is that not uh, uh, correct?<\/p>\n

Male 12:<\/strong> That\u2019s correct. That\u2019s correct.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause we have to repair generators. Part of this is generated.<\/p>\n

Male 12:<\/strong> That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s the reason that uh, we had blackouts, the lights went dim today, \u2018cause the generators, \u00a0they uh, overhauling, they got a problem in the generators. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So plan your day to be not need electricity on thirty\u2013 Thursday. (Pause) All can work in the farm on that day. All people, uh, depending upon electricity, sewing and so forth, they can devote our time to agriculture that day, we\u2019ll need every hand. Convert the uh, industry.<\/p>\n

Male 12:<\/strong> All right. Uh, uh, Rob, do you want to ask about the chickery, we\u2019ll get a standby generator for you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you, for the question. Yes, Larry, quickly. (away from mike) Quickly, give him the\u2013 give him the microphone (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Larry:<\/strong> I was wondering, when you have the sawmill going on around the clock, are you\u00ad\u2013 are\u2013 is the present generator going to be ample to handle that and the other needs (unintelligible)?<\/p>\n

Male 12:<\/strong> Uh, what we\u2019re gonna do, is we\u2019re gonna set up uh, certain equipment in the sawmill. We\u2019re gonna have to run on a time schedule, so that\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (interrupting, unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Male 12:<\/strong> Right, but\u2013\u00a0but only certain\u2013 during certain times it\u2019ll be, because there are certain\u2013 uh, certain pieces of equipment take a lot more electricity than others. So uh, there\u2019re several things they\u2019re gonna have to be run during a certain time of the day when there\u2019s not, you know, as much equipment uh, throughout Jonestown running. We\u2019re gonna have to shut down. There\u2019re gonna be certain times of the day we\u2019re gonna have to shut down the\u2013 the mechanics and uh\u2013 and the machine shop in order to run this equipment in the sawmill.<\/p>\n

Larry:<\/strong> Oh, what I gather but what\u2013 from what you\u2019re saying then is, we don\u2019t have ample electricity to\u2013 to run a re\u2013\u00a0to realistically run a sawmill and our other industries, and so, that\u2019s what I g\u2013 that\u2019s what you\u2019re saying to me.<\/p>\n

Beam:<\/strong> That\u2019s\u2013 That has been a problem for quite some time, Larry, that there\u2019s\u2013 the generator is right up to the end. We\u2019ve been there, and we\u2019ve been there for a long time. What we\u2019re gonna do is run the (clears throat) edger, which is a twenty horsepower machine, from 12 to 1 in the afternoon when everybody is eating and not using the machinery. We\u2019ve done this before (unintelligible) in the workshop. Then we\u2019re gonna turn it back on again around 5:30 at night, which means the fellows\u2019ll have to knock off in the workshop at 5:30 and start cleaning up, or at least do work that doesn\u2019t requite electrical equipment, and run it from two hours then from 5:30 to 7:30, which is also in the daylight<\/em>, when uh, your light load will be very\u2013\u00a0will be extremely light at that<\/em> time. And three hours on that big machine in\u2013 in any 24-hour period, they\u2019ll usually carry you through the\u2013 the\u2013 the following workday.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Beam:<\/strong> No, it\u2013\u00a0it has nothing to do with\u2013 We\u2019re not shutting the generator down, we\u2019re only shut\u2013 shutting down the workshop, so it has nothing to do with the water. Oh, the water? The water in this area, yes, the pump\u2019ll be off all day on Thursday.<\/p>\n

(Young men converse away from mike, faint)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> Not for the kitchen area. Just in the East House uh, uh, well.<\/p>\n

(Young men converse away from mike, faint)<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Okay. So the total price, to get our system as we have it presently, of just transformers alone, it cost about 15,600 dollars. And that does not include an industrial area or the new housing areas which we plan to install.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, give me what you have a projection on. That makes the\u2013 Okay, okay, now\u2013<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Now. As far as uh\u2013 we wrote up a projection for\u2013 which includes everything, which would be in the industrial area, the buildings which they gave me, the\u2013 and\u2013 as well as uh, here, the housing, everything, for a hundred cottages, and uh, the\u2013 this\u2019d include the new generator house as well as uh, all the equipment needed for the generator house, transformers involved, and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (off mike, unintelligible) \u2013You interested in g\u2013 having your goddamn lights, if you want to walk around with the light of your dick. (Pause) Or your wick. There won\u2019t be no kerosene for<\/em> it.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> A rebuild\u2013\u00a0uh, another rebuilt generator and a junker\u2019s generator, all that included came to about\u2013 about uh, 48,000 dollars (voice trails off).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> No, not\u2013 not in addition. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The total<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> That\u2019s the total.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s all electrical, and then I\u2019ll be out of the wood?<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> That would\u2013 uh, that would be uh, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

(People converse away from mike)<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/strong> We got two generators, you\u2019re talking about a one.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> We\u2019re talking about a rebuilt generator uh\u2013 which is just like the 621 we have that they\u2019re working on now, as well as a uh\u2013\u00a0a generator\u2013 uh, a junker generator, which would be just the generator parts for the gener\u2013 you know, the (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Larry:<\/strong> Once you have that accomplished, would you be able to run uh, the woodshop and the sawmill around the clock. Because we\u2019ll lose money if we don\u2019t run it around the clock (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Once this is all uh, purchased and installed, we would be, yes.<\/p>\n

(People converse away from mike)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, they ask me whether\u2013 I want to know what about the sale of the ranch. Supposed to be sold. Is any other m\u2013 monies that\u2013\u00a0I want to find out what is required, did they (unintelligible) already there, what is required \u2013 somebody taking this down so we can ask the question over there? \u2013\u00a0what is required of what money they have on hand to be used to transport our people here to freedom, how much money they have on hand, how much they\u2019re going to have to have to pay for what they already have, order (unintelligible word), which are into the tens of thousands, and uh, if there\u2019s any left over\u2013 if there\u2019s not, that means we\u2019ve got to turn back\u2013 we gotta turn back and take a loss<\/em>, on turning back uh, other assets into dollars. And getting \u2018em back in<\/em> there is not easy. It\u2019s not easy to reverse the process. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> One thing that this uh\u2013\u00a0when this engineer comes in here will be particularly useful, he\u2019ll be able to tell us if there in any way we\u2019re uh, over-buying in one area, and he\u2019ll als\u2013\u00a0and he should also be able to tell us if there\u2019s a\u2013 we\u2019re going to need to buy in other areas, like (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, now, he\u2013 he wants to know the layout of the project first, as to location, in just the industrial site. Do you uh\u2013\u00a0and generators and power lines, et cetera. He wants to know the loading<\/em> and how many houses and uh, the kilowatts per house. Will you please stop talking over there and get uh, back uh, behind\u2013 from behind me. The amount of horsepowers for industrial site. He said the initial conductors must<\/em> be able to able to handle the entire five-year plan<\/em>. He wants to know the type of wires and equipment et cetera, so they can be prepared when they come out. (reading) Any power plants scheduled for the Northwest District? Of course, that answer is uh, no. Uh, and\u2013 the\u2013 You\u2019ve got to have the answers to these questions. Are there any 2400 volt systems available in Europe? Yes, uh, there may be, in England. England has three-three KV generators. But our switching to 6.5. If above system is not available, are there any transformers in the medium voltage range? Some are in operation here, but he doesn\u2019t know if any are for sale. We\u2019ll supply names to the co-op. Uh, GEC using 4 KV transfer\u2013 transformers? Not sure if they\u2019re available. They were purchased from England and Canada. Fill in dollar matter. He\u2019ll supply the information if we want it. Have you got the layout that he needs?<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Uh, Bob Christian\u2019s working right now on a map and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2013 Gotta move fast on that. That\u2019s got to go.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> And the loading, I\u2013 (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible) airplane coming in tomorrow, which you could send something back if uh, one of our comrades uh, is able to come\u2013 come in.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> The loading in all the uh, everything we have here, as well as the industrial site, I believe all the buildings is already worked out. I\u2019ve prev\u2013 done the previous one.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, (unintelligible) ready to go, that\u2019s what I want to know. You\u2013 all you\u2013 all this messing around, we gone\u2013<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> My\u2013 my work is\u2013\u00a0is finished. I\u2019m waiting on Bob Christian.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Stumbles over words) Whoever. I don\u2019t know uh, the names (unintelligible) (Stumbles over words) gotta get\u2013\u00a0gotta get it done<\/em>. Gotta get it in<\/em> there. So this man, this expert can come out<\/em> here. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Christian:<\/strong> The drawing\u2013 the drawing itself is ready except uh, the power poles are not put on it yet. They still have to be measured\u2013\u00a0They have to be measured off. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (off mike, fades in) \u2013go by tomorrow and uh, Thursday morning at four o\u2019clock. We gotta\u2013 gotta get it going. There\u2019ll be\u2013<\/p>\n

Christian: <\/strong>It\u2019ll be\u2013 It can be ready by Thursday.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thursday morning at four o\u2019clock in the morning.<\/p>\n

Christian:<\/strong> It\u2019ll be ready by four o\u2019clock in the morning.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh, that\u2019s when the\u2013 the Cudjoe<\/em> will be headed right to Georgetown. (coughs) Right?<\/p>\n

Christian:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah. That\u2019s why I want to be sure. Very well. Shift, please. (Pause) You ought to worry about some of this stuff. Other people have to worry about it. You ought to get under this. You think, you set there on your ass, you can waste food, you can throw stuff away. Is that inspection program working now that people not getting chance to throw their food away?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> (softly) Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You just think that, well, you can goof off, don\u2019t have to worry, don\u2019t have to carry any burdens and uh, Father\u2019ll feed you. But it won\u2019t be<\/em> that way. It won\u2019t be that way. We ought to really be concerned. How many uh\u2013\u00a0We have 13 operations of the eyes where people woulda been blind, in most instances, that are on\u2013 in\u2013 went in on the\u2013 our big freighter. Fifty thousand dollars cost. Those people would\u2019ve been blind<\/em> if they\u2019d been in USA. You better find\u2013 you better learn from this so you can talk and open your mouth besides something that\u2013 that complaints that come out. You hear what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Not to mention the dental surgeries, and all the other surgeries in one week, five<\/em> surgeries that saved women from cancer. And on, on, on, on we go. Blocked bowel by a sister, I think she\u2019d due back now. A senior that would\u2019ve\u2013 would\u2019ve died, that collapsed here. She never\u2013\u00a0never would\u2019ve had any chance stateside. She laid in her apartment for days and died. Her bill alone is in the twelve or fourteen thousand dollar bracket. Be seated. And please remember some of that, when you\u2019re (unintelligible word) ungrateful. You may be the one that\u2019ll drop over the next time and need the help. (Pause) If you don\u2019t get grateful, we\u2019ll ship you back so you can be alone. You always kickin\u2019 and complaining, (Stumbles over words) grabbing at everybody, and every time they go by, about something you don\u2019t have, why don\u2019t you start thinking about some of the things you do<\/em> have?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Reads) We haven\u2019t sold our four 8000 gallon fuel tanks that we have in Willits. The fuel is getting hard to get, we shouldn\u2019t have much trouble selling. (Conversational) Yeah, that\u2019s true. Well, there\u2019s a Catch-22 to that. I don\u2019t know what the hell\u2019s gonna happen to that. The law up there is so bad, that you can\u2019t get your own rights in uh, Northern C\u2013 northern California since the honorable Jim Cobb and [Tim] Stoen and Debbie [Layton Blakey] cooperated in saying that uh, two black people attempted to rape uh, that ugly old bitch white reporter [Kathy Hunter of Ukiah Daily Journal<\/em>], \u2018cause they thought\u2013 you can\u2019t even get your\u2013 you can\u2019t even get your rights. They don\u2019t even honor your rights. They take something away from you, won\u2019t even let you get it back. Steal it. Say, well, you\u2019re not here. That\u2013 that\u2019s what the sheriff of Mendocino County had. He took one of our compressors, two thousand five hundred dollars, and just stole<\/em> it. They just stole it. Say, well, that\u2019s your problem. You\u2019re over there, and we\u2019re here. That\u2019s USA that you love, some of you. Thought I\u2019d have to go back there and live in it. You\u2019d find out, it wouldn\u2019t be near as easy anymore.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Okay, I\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2013 Well, that\u2019s the finish of that. Anybody else want to say anything about electrical matters? These errors, though, must be stopped<\/em>. That\u2019s what (tape edit) to be stopped.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> (too soft in beginning) pull more than the generators we got now.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Yes, they would. They\u2013 With the right system set out there, we\u2019ll handle everything we have presently<\/em> in Jonestown, by itself. (Pause) But uh, not much more. (Pause) By itself.<\/p>\n

Larry:<\/strong> We\u2019ll count uh, that order that came to uh, twelve thousand dollars that Lee [Ingram] cleared?<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Uh, on that particular order the chan\u2013 transformers have been cancelled until further notice, so it\u2019s not quite that amount. And uh, that does not include that amount, no.<\/p>\n

Larry:<\/strong> The six thousand for the transformers, is that what you\u2019re saying?<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Uh, that\u2013 that has been uh, taken off, as well as a few other items, and that has not been taken into account, no.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Well, on the\u2013\u00a0No, that\u2019s not what I told you, that\u2019s not what I told you.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong> I\u2019ll tell you, we just having a problem on this uh\u2013 (clear throat) I would appreciate very much if in the future, if you have Lee<\/em> with you, if you go to the radio to do any changing of orders once they\u2019ve passed Finance and been cleared by Dad, if there\u2019s a problem<\/em> on it, then tell them to hold up on it until you consult<\/em>, but don\u2019t go ahead and cancel things. You cancelled the transformers, which apparently should\u2019ve been cancelled. But it was done without consultation, and we don\u2019t operate that way. And then, I understand\u2013 uh, somebody came to me today and said you were complaining to Dad that the transformers hadn\u2019t been ordered when you\u2019d been the one to cancel \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> I\u2019m not referring to\u2013 There\u2019s this one particular transformer which I was uh, referring to in particular, and uh, that is what we\u2019re\u2013 what uh, Dad asked for, first of all. Now, the other transformers had to\u2019ve been cancelled until the engineer comes in here. Now as far as consultation, I did re\u2013 talk to Lee before I made any decision, and at the time<\/em>, it seemed to be a very pressing\u2013 the issue was very pressing, uh, and uh, so together, Lee and I made the decision.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong> Did you go to Ruby [Carroll] before you wrote the note to Dad today?<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong> Why?<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> Well, first of all, I\u2019ve had uh\u2013\u00a0Lee is on my uh\u2013 not\u2013 not my coordinator or my supervisor. No. It\u2019s\u2013\u00a0it\u2019s uh, Charlie [Touchette]. Uh, I\u2019ve had trouble going\u2013 be\u2013\u00a0because Charlie\u2019s had so many meetings and, you know, it\u2019s been very difficult for me to get\u2013 get a hold of Charlie. Yesterday, I tried to get a hold of him, and uh, it was\u2013\u00a0it\u2019s been very upsetting to me about this uh, electrical system, trying to get things done, and so uh, I couldn\u2019t get hold of Charlie yesterday, so I finally decided I\u2019d write up a note to Dad, and that\u2019s what I did.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong> That\u2019s a bunch of bullshit, and you were at the meeting yesterday. I took the things out of my folder and handed to you and told you then to get together with Charlie. But I was dissatisfied with what we had there, and I felt there was some urgency on some of the things that should be gotten, you would\u2019ve come back to the meeting this morning\u2013 If you couldn\u2019t<\/em> come back to the meeting this morning with<\/em> Charlie, you should\u2019ve come back without<\/em> Charlie. (Pause) You should\u2019ve been back to the meeting to at least explain one way or another, and there were enough people there, including Johnny Jones and uh, Jack Beam, who have plenty big mouths that are able to go ahead and get something done if it needs to be done, without running to Dad with something which you haven\u2019t cleared.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, all right, all right. But I want to know uh, vital things. I work all night and day anyway, don\u2019t get any sleep, up trying to listen to the news at 5:30 in the morning, uh, when I haven\u2019t even been to bed while some of you people are\u2013\u00a0are just getting up. But I don\u2019t mind that at all. But in the afternoon when I was talking to you, uh, I didn\u2019t get this total perspective, and it\u2019s true, I\u2013\u00a0I need to get facts<\/em> so I don\u2019t go getting on people\u2019s backs uh, for things that are not warranted.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, come on, you know what about the\u2013\u00a0You know the normal procedure. Jesus Christ.<\/p>\n

(several conversations at once)<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong> Sorry.<\/p>\n

Male 13:<\/strong> Well, he\u2019s been on the floor for\u2013 for not following\u2013\u00a0not following his own crew members\u2019 uh, uh, advice and stuff.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (off mike, unintelligible sentence) (cries out) I\u2019m gone to tell you elementary. When you cannot\u2013\u00a0you can tear up other people\u2019s ass, but if you cannot be with this man, I\u2019m suspicious. That\u2019s why uh, Lenin abolished all marriage and abolished the entire family<\/em> unit, because it was self-serving, cover ass, and was anti-revolutionary, and I\u2019m suspicious<\/em> of any companion that doesn\u2019t immediately get on their<\/em> feet and tear<\/em> into their companion.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If it\u2019s nothing but style<\/em>, by God, I\u2019d rather have style than passivity.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Marthea Hicks:<\/strong> (fades in) \u2013you\u2019re absolutely right, Dad, and I\u2013 I didn\u2019t tear into him, I was just waiting to see\u2013 to hear the whole story. And I do think\u2013 I\u2019m not\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (murmurs disapproval)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I got the floor. I just want to tell you all, though, \u2018cause that wasn\u2019t just aimed at you<\/em>, that\u2019s aimed at a lot of folk who move ass like a sloth. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Hicks:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019d just like to say that, Chris, you should get your business together and Charlie says that you\u2019re not taking orders, and you\u2019re jumping over people\u2019s heads, and you should be more considerate about your<\/em> job and what your job is and how to handle the whole situation, and not\u2013 I know\u2013\u00a0I know lately, you\u2019ve been uh, sort of uh, (pause) feeling sorry for yourself because your orders were not uh, the things that you had ordered or had planned to order wasn\u2019t okay. Pardon?<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> (unintelligible under Marcie) \u2013I\u2019ve heard you be awful rough on people, and you\u2019re being awful gentle.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> Well, if it was anybody else up on the floor, Marthea , you would be saying shit, your ass, and everything else. Now, you need to get your shit together and talk to him.<\/p>\n

Rozynko:<\/strong> I tell ya, I\u2019d\u2013 I really don\u2019t appreciate this from you, you know, so I\u2019d appreciate it if you would get your<\/em> shit together about me<\/em>. If you have anything to say, say it now, okay?<\/p>\n

Hicks:<\/strong> Well, I was figuring you ought to get your\u2013<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013didn\u2019t like the response, I like that, too. That\u2019s uh\u2013 uh, don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t let people cover ass for you. We\u2013 We forget everything. Just (Stumbles over words) it\u2019s the following of\u2013 of rules, if you follow rules, we don\u2019t remember mistakes. Hell, everybody makes mistakes. But it\u2019s the procedures we do want followed.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Hicks:<\/strong> Well, I figure you should get your shit together and stop fuckin\u2019 around, running from here to there, worrying about what somebody else is not going to do for you. And if you don\u2019t like it, you know, go through the right procedures. If you\u2019re supposed to show up to a goddamn meeting, then show up there. And stop feeling sorry for your a\u2013 for your ass, because you were saying that, you didn\u2019t get the orders that you wanted, and because you didn\u2019t get the orders, you were still in bed and you were go\u2013\u00a0lo\u2013 actually letting down on production, and I think it\u2019s not the right type of thing to do. And whatever it is that should be done, then that\u2013\u00a0you know what your job is and you do that. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (claps hands once) Okay. Let\u2019s get going here. (unintelligible word) let\u2019s get going, I don\u2019t want to be\u2013 I don\u2019t want to ding dong all night here on this i\u2013 issue, I\u2019ve got anything that (unintelligible) want to find, uh what\u00a0I\u2019ve got to do and get it done, and let\u2019s do work through the chain of command, uh. C.T. [Charlie Touchette] can be found uh, normally, he\u2019s a very\u2013 one of the more involved<\/em> administrators, so I hear from most people. He will work and not give orders he won\u2019t do himself. It\u2019s the high quality. Uh, okay\u2013 And he will be busy. But<\/em> uh\u2013 If not, I say, one of the few, but I know he is uh\u2013 all people say the exception<\/em> in that regard, of people who are older. Okay. Let\u2019s clear the deck, unless there is anything else pertinent. Okay, now let\u2019s move on down\u2013 (pause)<\/p>\n

Uh, there sister here that has a serious complaint. (Reads) I got in line to sign up, and Johnnie Mae Yates stepped on my foot. And I asked her to get off my foot. She would not move, and I had to pull my foot out, and she took her fist and hit me in the breast. Then no one would let me touch her\u2013 that\u2019s better\u2013 better right, you\u2019da been in\u2013 both<\/em> of you\u2019da been in serious trouble. They said you must write it up. And my breast in still hurting. Uh, Juanita Green. (Pause) (away from mike) \u2013tolerate hitting and that\u2013 If that breast cancer comes from this goddamn mess, then it\u2019s thousands<\/em> of dollars, not to mention the risk of her life, but that\u2019s not much anymore, because we catch things where there woulda been dozens of women die, and some men<\/em> were found too, uh, we\u2019ve been able to stop that. Men that were in pain, like Brother Johnson with a growth, horrible growth and pain, no one gave a damn for years, passed him by in the United States, and it\u2019s surgically removed and in a bottle down there in the doctor\u2019s office. We uh\u2013 we will take care. But the cost<\/em> factor of them. Let\u2019s talk about the cost<\/em> factor, uh, and then we have said absolutely no violence, and then goddamnit, I mean no violence. You\u2019re not to touch<\/em> another human being, not<\/em> to touch<\/em> another human being. If we can\u2019t reason our way, then uh, I just as soon we all stepped over the other side. I\u2019m sick and tired of all the hassle and fightin\u2019 and wrestlin\u2019 amongst ourselves. We got too many racist enemies out there that want to kill us.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. (delayed applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Come on. Come on. Let\u2019s get to the bottom of this. Get to the bottom of this. What\u2013 what\u2013 what occurred?<\/p>\n

Yates:<\/strong> I was up\u2013 I was up there to sign up, and she stepped up behind me\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013 witnesses here?<\/p>\n

Yates:<\/strong> \u2013and put her feet up on the line, and she turned around and kicked me. When she did, I turned grabbed her hand. I started to hit her, which I did not.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Ooh.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> Wait a minute, wait a minute.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019ll be goddamned, if uh, this isn\u2019t the damndest thing, uh, uh, I\u2019d sure hate to face a jury of people like this.<\/p>\n

Yates:<\/strong> My leg\u2019s still hurtin\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Witness 1:<\/strong> Dad, it is true, because\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What\u2013 What is true?<\/p>\n

Witness 1:<\/strong> It\u2013 She just\u2013\u00a0she just slaps\u2013 she\u2013\u00a0she hit it, and she hit in\u2013 in\u2013 in\u2013 in her breast. She did hit her in her breast, \u2018cause I turned around and I watched the whole thing. \u2018Cause everybody was rushing up there to get in line to saign\u2013 to\u2013 to sign their names. And I told her\u2013 I told her\u2013 she wanted\u2013 she wanted to hit her back, and I told her no, it wouldn\u2019t be right, to go ahead ands write it up, and she\u2013 she\u2013 she\u2013 I mean, you know, she kept insisting she wanted to hit her, but I said no. \u2018Cause they would both go on Public Service. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Exhibit one, witness one. That she did hit her in the breast. Uh\u2013 Witness two.<\/p>\n

Witness 2:<\/strong> Dad, she did hit her in the breast, (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Witness, with the same story, reasonable same description? Witness three.<\/p>\n

Witness 3:<\/strong> Yes, Father, I saw when she uh, took her elbow and just pushed her in the chest with her uh, elbow. I don\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Elbow?<\/p>\n

Witness 3: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It was fist<\/em>, in the other witness. (Pause) Is it elbow, or was it a fist?<\/p>\n

Green:<\/strong> It was did so quick, Dad, I don\u2019t know (unintelligible under Jones)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019m asking these witnesses.<\/p>\n

Witness 2:<\/strong> When I (unintelligible), she turned around and she had hit her, and then she put her fist back, and Regina got in the middle of them, everybody was telling \u2018em to shut up\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You saw the fist strike the breast?<\/p>\n

Witness 2:<\/strong> Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Did you see the fist strike the breast?<\/p>\n

Witness 1:<\/strong> Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Did you really see what<\/em> struck the breast?<\/p>\n

Witness 3:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I uh\u2013 when I had turned around, I heard a whole bunch of arguments and so\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Did you see what hit the breast?<\/p>\n

Witness 3:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I saw. Her elbow.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hit the breast.<\/p>\n

Witness 3:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Two witnesses to one, discredit the one, two witnesses here. Unless somebody else. What is\u2013 Let\u2019s hear another description.<\/p>\n

Witness 4:<\/strong> I seen her elbow hit her. She socked her (unintelligible under Jones)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Two\u2013 Two\u2013\u00a0Two elbows and two fists. And all supposed to got two eyes.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> There\u2019re four unreliable witnesses, who say that she was hit, but they don\u2019t know whether she was hit with a fist or an elbow. Do we have another witness?<\/p>\n

Witness 5:<\/strong> I seen her hit her, but I don\u2019t know what it was with.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now how could you see her hit her\u2013 how could you see her hit unless you saw her contact her body?<\/p>\n

Witness 5:<\/strong> She went\u2013\u00a0she\u2013\u00a0She went in like this, and then she yanked it back.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Right. Did you see\u2013 did you see the contact?<\/p>\n

Witness 5:<\/strong> Yes, I seen her hit her.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What did she contact?<\/p>\n

Witness 5:<\/strong> It was right up\u2013 right in there\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All right. In the middle in the breast. What\u2013 uh, what did she contact her with<\/em>?<\/p>\n

Witness 5:<\/strong> She went in with her fist like a (unintelligible word) fist, and then you know how you yank it back, and you couldn\u2019t really see what she did it with.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I see. Well, I could see how that could be confusing. There are mixed\u2013 We have five witnesses\u2013<\/p>\n

Witness 6:<\/strong> Dad, I saw her hit her with her elbow.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Third witness with an elbow, but all admit that she\u2019d been hit. (Pause) Anyone see\u2013 uh, did anyone see the plaintiff? The person making the charge? Did anyone see the plaintiff uh, uh, strike her or kick her in the foot?<\/p>\n

Witness 7:<\/strong> (unintelligible) when the people come back and uh, sign up to attend this thing? There was a lot of pushing and shoving and stuff, so if she did kick her foot, it probably was a accident, \u2018cause there was a lot of pushing and stuff.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Any witness that she kicked her foot, other than the uh, defendant? (Pause) Who is? Johnnie Mae Yates. (Pause) All right. Any other uh, evidence?<\/p>\n

Male (Johnny Moss Brown Jones?): <\/strong>(faint) Anybody hear anything (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What did you hear, comrade?<\/p>\n

Witness 8:<\/strong> I heard your lip. I was standing right behind\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You heard the lip.<\/p>\n

Witness 8:<\/strong> Yeah, I heard her, but what she did, I didn\u2019t know. I heard her say, boof, like that, and then she said, don\u2019t hit me. I heard that. I heard that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (talking under witness 8) That\u2013 All right, that\u2019s possible. That\u2019s enough evidence.<\/p>\n

Witness 8:<\/strong> And I was right there behind her.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s enough evidence. Case closed. Public Services. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Green:<\/strong> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Praises. Willie Sneed, volunteered seven and a half hours of work Sunday at a production rate\u2013 What\u2019s this? What\u2019s (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What\u2019s this? What is your (unintelligible word)? Where is your statement? No, no, I don\u2019t close the case. I was asked for more evidence. What is it? What is it? What is it, uh, evidence?<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/strong> Well, I came up \u2018cause I struck a person the other day.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You struck a person?<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s ho\u2013 ho\u2013 honorable for you to tell us. Who did you strike?<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/strong> Pauline Scott.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh, what\u2013 what was the condition?<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/strong> Uh, I was standing out there, I was going to help buzz some boards, uh, Sunday morning, and she came up and she was hollerin\u2019 at me\u2013 hollerin\u2019 at me out of the food line, and said I shoulda been over there in the cottage instead of being over this way, and uh, she kept after me and kept after me and kept putting her fingers in my face, so I just haul off and hit her.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Why didn\u2019t you report it, Pauline?<\/p>\n

Scott:<\/strong> Father, that was not true, I was\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Why did you not report being hit?<\/p>\n

Scott:<\/strong> I was going to report it Friday.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Friday?<\/p>\n

Scott:<\/strong> \u2018Cause I had some more reports to write in, I was going to write it all up together.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, not violence. You report it immediately.<\/p>\n

Scott:<\/strong> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because she reported it herself, I\u2019m going to vi\u2013 uh, cancel it this time. But I don\u2019t want to have any more. No more hitting. And all take warning.<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/strong> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We will not tolerate hitting. From anybody.<\/p>\n

Male (Johnny?):<\/strong> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>Are\u2013 are both of the accused (too soft)<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/strong> (unintelligible) the same time. We in the same cottage.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> You are in the same cottage?<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> (too soft, come to mike) Because that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s\u2013\u00a0You know\u2013 If I\u2019m not mistaken, that\u2019s the one reason why you guys having a fight, is because of the cottage, right, where you guys stay?<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/strong> One thing, since she brought it up, Father, she don\u2019t want to take her chores when it comes to do her chores around the house and do her chores out inside the yard. Most when it all happened about Sunday.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(too soft)<\/p>\n

Scott:<\/strong> I do my chores.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(too soft)<\/p>\n

Male 14:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s different. You can\u2013\u00a0you can\u2013 ju\u2013 just second. You can work with somebody and then have to go home and sleep with them and it\u2019s just\u2013 I mean, that just don\u2019t work out, but if you just have to do one thing with them, that\u2019s not so bad. I mean, I may be wrong, but if they get \u2018em out of the living quarters, the working situation is (unintelligible word twice) outdoors that way. (Pause) But can we\u2013 can\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman 8:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 I\u2013\u00a0Why do we have to discuss it, at 12 o\u2019clock at night? Can we just get you guys moved out of your house, (unintelligible name, sounds like Garrett)?<\/p>\n

Male 14:<\/strong> I\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ll listen to you. But if the end result\u2019s gonna be moving you out, I don\u2019t know why we gotta discuss that.<\/p>\n

Woman 8:<\/strong> You know, there\u2019s just one more thing I want to say.<\/p>\n

Male 14:<\/strong> Okay, you can say it.<\/p>\n

Woman 8:<\/strong> Uh, the way she go about it, she act like it\u2019s her private home and uh, she\u2019s coming off\u2013\u00a0uh, she\u2019s\u2013 she jumps up and doing everything, and like her and uh, Karen Layton was supposed to uh, mop uh, Sunday morning, but she jumped up and did Karen\u2019s part. Karen asked her uh, to let her do her own party, but she just jumped and did it anyway, and she\u2019s always doing stuff like that, jumping ahead of you. And she always claiming, she\u2013 she act like it\u2019s her private home.<\/p>\n

Carrie:<\/strong> Since you brought me into it, sister, why don\u2019t you just tell it like it is. You\u2013 you don\u2019t cooperate uh\u2013 I don\u2019t know, it look like you have a pick whenever she says something. You use (unintelligible word) and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All right, all right, well, she know she undermining your own testimony, your testimony how it\u2019s beautiful, you Carrie, not to uh\u2013 to be pulled into that, because you were praising<\/em> her, and she come up and say why don\u2019t you tell it like it is, that you uh, undermine, and I think it\u2019s very strange thing to have complimented around here as a (Stumbles over words), to be criticized as a complaint uh, that she jumps up and does work<\/em>. That\u2019s a\u2013 (short laugh) an unusual re\u2013 reason to complain on somebody. (Pause) Now, Carrie is saying, uh, you\u2013 you\u2013 Carrie is saying tell it like it is. Go ahead, Carrie.<\/p>\n

Carrie:<\/strong> Well, she does (unintelligible word), since I been there, she been that way.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Where\u2019s the rest of the people in the house?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> (fades in) She was not only an excellent housekeeper, but she was easy to get along with.<\/p>\n

Voice off mike:<\/strong> Okay, why don\u2019t y\u2019all be (unintelligible word)?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, they better be the utmost of cooperation with the sisters. She sounded like she\u2019s taking great concern about the house. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, that was a good idea, but the\u2013\u00a0but they didn\u2019t seem to respond to it, so we\u2013 they\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019re together until death do thus\u2013\u00a0do us part, I guess.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Laughs, stirs))<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Praises. Willie Sneed. As I said, seven and a half hours of work on a Sunday, beautiful, two hundred percent on a day off. That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s beautiful. Willie, make uh, big business, he coulda been a big businessman. I\u2019m so glad to see that some who worked out in capitalism and didn\u2019t do too badly<\/em> at it, will carry more of a load than some people that were never energetic enough to uh, get out and get<\/em> a job. Right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Jerrica Walker was promoted to another class this week. Traytease Arterberry was promoted to another class this week. Sherri Evans\u2013 Sharla Evans uh, assisted Irene Mason for the restroom to the community building on her own. The two of them had a very pleasant and cute conversation. Beautiful, Sharla. Extra candy for that. Clevyee Sneed and Lois Ponts, nursing class. We\u2019re praising them, I gather. It\u2019s not clear. Mary Griffith Jr., good worker in the senior citizen center. Keith Wade volunteered his off time to work with Zelline O\u2019Bryant \u2013 that\u2019s beautiful \u2013 and has done a beautiful job. Julia Guevara [Julie Cordell] studying under Sharon Jones in pediatrics and working in the medical office on her off times. I\u2019m so appreciative of this kind of praises. Diane Casanova working in the medical office, very responsible in the care of sick babies. Marvin Janaro has been assisting the doc\u2013\u00a0medical doctor in surgery. Beautiful. Brenda Warren \u2013 that\u2019s beautiful \u2013 progressed to become a very good student. Pat Houston works extra time in the nurse\u2019s office. Joyce Johnson does a marvelous job in research. Joyce Johnson does a mar\u2013 marvelous job in research. That\u2019s what I said. Denise Johnson working extra time in the nurse\u2019s office does a beautiful job. Florence Heath applies what she has learned in her nursing class to practice in the senior center. Regina Jackson [Regina Duncan] works extra time in the nurse\u2019s office. Beautiful, beautiful. Shajhuanna Harris, good student in the class, spent extra time with Regina Duncan on a Lamaze couch. That\u2019s beautiful. Regina was a miracle, you know. Uh, that shoulda been a death there, the baby [Ebony Duncan] was not uh, alive and uh, then a great miracle done. We\u2019re\u2013\u00a0we should not forget the miracles so that we can keep our minds in the center\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (applause).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now, now, now, now. Where\u2013\u00a0where is the (unintelligible word)\u2013 where is\u2013 (Pause) Observers. I don\u2019t see observers. Uh, are there observers here?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Back there.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (off mike) What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> I see one of them back there (too soft).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I see, (unintelligible) (back to mike) Warnings<\/em>. Cheryl and Kenny Wilhite have been late in picking up their youngster [Janilah Wilhite]. The Cudjoe<\/em>. One of the 255 dollar life preservers that we keep on the Cudjoe<\/em> was broken into. Clifford [Gieg] found the two pieces under the ren\u2013\u00a0uh, wench. Who did this? Anybody know anything about this? (Pause) I can\u2019t stand this.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> We just bought them, too.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Just brought them. (Pause) Does anybody know anything about this? Any witnesses to it? Surely must be. Well, we\u2019ll go and ask. If you don\u2019t respond, we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll see if we can find out from some of the passengers on them and uh, some of the people that\u2013 upriver that came on it. Yes.<\/p>\n

Charlie Touchette:<\/strong> Um\u2013 (clears throat) I\u2019m the one who reported that, because when I got to the boat, I saw this preserver had been broken in two, and uh, we have been ding donging on this for three years that we\u2019ve been down here, that these preservers are not to be used when people swim off the boat. And uh, Michelle Touchette and Herbert Newell about\u2013\u00a0oh, when all the flour came in, we had to change the flour not that long ago, but anyway, I took it out of the water that<\/em> day, and since then, I understand that Herbert\u2019s been swimming in the water with the preserver even after he was told not<\/em> to swim in the water with the preserver in there, so I\u2013 he\u2019s not here, so I don\u2019t whether it can be\u2013 he\u2019s the one that did it or not, but Herbert uh\u2013\u00a0Clifford told me that he did<\/em> catch Herbert swimming in the water with<\/em> the preserver after he was told not to.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (Too soft)<\/p>\n

Touchette: <\/strong>He\u2019s in Camaca with him right now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, I see. Mark this down, that we bring this matter up. We can\u2019t stand this kind of loss. And somebody may be lost at sea because of some fool that wants to do his little uh, swim. Sucker, you can\u2019t swim, then don\u2019t put your damn preserver out there, stay out of there.<\/p>\n

(Pause) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013is. Karen Baker had to be asked several times to get out and help pick beans. Eugene Smith and Billy Jones both helped with the wood but would not go help with the\u2013 with the beans. Robert Paul, twenty minutes late, returning from lunch. Joyce Johnson and Beverly Mitchell, working slow in the rice field, stayed one place too long. Joe Johnson, late coming back from lunch, he was in his bed at 1:25. Yolanda Brown\u2013 I found some of you in bed uh, afternoon before, it was right after lunch, it\u2019s strange time, uh, it would seem to me, uh, people who were not uh\u2013 who were supposed to be on work\u2013 So you better (unintelligible) is, and other observers. Yolanda Brown did a poor job in the area she was working in the rice field. It had to be redone. The following junior high students were 15 minutes late: William Jones, Wayne McCall, Curtis Smith. (off mike) Who? (back to mike) Yolanda Brown, uh, Public Services. You had one, missed one, one makes two. (Pause) Where\u2019s Yolanda Brown? (Pause) What?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Tony Linton (sighs) recommendations. Took off from work, hard to find on job. Bad attitude. Work on a crew. Work has been good, attitude has been from bad to fair to good. (Pause) David Goodwin is on the crew and has a definite negative effect on Tony. On his own, Tony\u2019s attitude has been fair to good. Says, it\u2019s best to have them not on a crew together. Absolutely. (Pause) The law, is uh\u2013 he\u2019s been there extra\u2013 extra time, so we\u2019ll give you a chance to be off. But you better change that work pattern, son.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Stay away from Joe Johnson. There\u2019ll be no communication with Joe Johnson or David Goodwin.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Joe Johnson:<\/strong> No, not me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> James Johnson, James Johnson. (clears throat) Rose Marie McKnight\u2013<\/p>\n

Young man:<\/strong> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you. She has worked steadily with a good attitude, she has talked too much. What\u2019s better than running too fast. They spent more than your time for the third uh\u2013 third time. Okay. Off.<\/p>\n

McKnight:<\/strong> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Cut down on talk on your work. Eda [Alfreda] March (Pause) (mutters under breath) Fast responsible cooperative worker every day, even though it\u2019s on her time off. Juanita Bright.<\/p>\n

March:<\/strong> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019re a fast cooperative worker, with a good attitude. She worked overtime Sunday on her free day, even though it\u2019s not time off. Even though she has seven days yet to go, but that kind of work, I will pray it\u2013 pay it\u2013 pay it off. (Pause) Uh, not enough, rest of them, not enough. (Pause) Somebody here destroying eddoes. (Warning tone) Boy, you\u2019re going to be on there a long time if you\u2019re not careful. Better cut this out. (Pause) (Reads) David Goodwin, who we\u2019re watching very closely these days. Attitude has been gray\u2013 uh, been better, great problem when he is\u2013 his supervisor is Joe Wilson and Laura Johnson [Johnston]. Ronnie James, Willie Malone, and Sebastian McMurry haven\u2019t had attitude problems with him. (unintelligible name, sounds like \u201cIz\u201d) has talked to him, also Bob Christian, about his attitude. (Pause) What we\u2019re going to do, man? USA is not very friendly these days. Did you hear what all has been happening to black people? Eighty cities with crosses burning in them, the Ku Klux Klan? (Pause) Hear the news I actually gave tonight?<\/p>\n

Boy:<\/strong> Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Police brutality? (Pause) Okay. (Pause) Violence. She also answers back at times. Okay, we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll let her off, but she not been there long enough anyway. Oooh, (mutters under breath) Very good worker. (unintelligible) for defiance three days in school and school class. Chris Murrell. Uh. A good worker and responsible, except two times. Each time, it should be a four more days. With the work record, if he uh, does an exemplary day tomorrow, he\u2019ll be off.<\/p>\n

Young man 2:<\/strong> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> After tomorrow, by Sun\u2013 when they\u00a0come in for dinner. (Pause) Dave Goodwin. Bad attitude about having to work on free day, complain, played around when senior had asked Tony Linton to carry a chair, David picked it up, said it was light, she could carry it? No. (Pause) \u2013then tried to manipulate supervisor to do his own thing, he had a terrible attitude, is talk\u2013 is\u2013 is talked to him, and Shirley Gi\u2013 Gieg also. When Laura followed him when he was walking alone, he said, I swear to Dad I\u2019m going to fuck your ass up. Later, with Willie and Ronnie, he worked well with a good pace.<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

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