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If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here.<\/a> Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

(This tape was transcribed by Katherine Hill. The<\/em> editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

Part 1:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (speaks in monotone) Attention, attention, news of the day. (tape edit) Many in England are disenchanted by the Labor Party due to the fact that the principal leader of the Liberal Party, [John Jeremy] Thorpe, was involved in conspiracy to murder a former homosexual partner who was trying to blackmail him, or whitemail him<\/a>. Great Britain suggests that the U.S. intelligence services are involved in this sup\u2013 (tape edit). The Prime Minister [James Callaghan] says it is an attempt to cause allo\u2013 to allow the conservatives to win the next election, which is very frightening, because Margaret Thatcher has pledged that she will with\u2013 remove from England all<\/em> people of color. She will allow none<\/em> to immigrate and also, is an anti-Semitic tone. She said, \u201cWe need English\u2013 we need England for English culture,\u201d was her quote.<\/p>\n

Rhodesian aircraft\u2013 (pause, covers microphone while speaking to someone in background) Rhodesian aircraft shot down. [Rhodesian Prime Minister] Ian Smith plans to take tough new tactics measures against the guerillas before elections, very tough actions against proponents\u2013 opponents. Ian Smith has de\u2013 developed this tough new tactic because of USA giving him what is estimated a billion<\/em> dollars in military hardware because the regime was toppling. That should make us feel good. A billion dollars of our taxpayers\u2019 money that could\u2019ve helped rebuild cities. So bombing in Zam\u2013 Zambia in retaliation is taking place. Rhodesia is striking uh, Zambia. As you know, Zambia is back\u2013 backed by the Soviet Union and<\/em> China, as well as Mozambique. The retaliation has been severe. Police measures internally, it is estimated that now three thousand people are under arrest and under varying degrees of torture, black citizens of Zimbabwe, as Ian Smith makes a desperate<\/em> last stand that was made possible only<\/em> because of the fascist<\/em> cooperation of US tax dollars that were meant to help the people, going there to give him military hardware that can bomb the villages of those poor, innocent peoples into oblivion. Smith does not worry, he said, about what the outside world thinks. Now that the USA has lifted the ban on economic aid and military aid, there is much speculation as to what his new tactics will be. Some feel it will be the employment of the neutron bomb. They feel, said BBC, that United States is not keeping enough controls over the neutron bomb, that partial<\/em> control already has been taken over by Rhodesia and South Africa. You know what the neutron bomb<\/a> is. It destroys every living thing in all the concentration camps and reservations without destroying one piece of property. Rumor has it also that there will be more private talks between Ian Smith and the United States Secr\u2013 CIA. Air Force is 100% white. Most of them have been trained in United States by our tax dollars at the air force base, particularly in New Mexico. And they are a formidable<\/em> force and a cruel<\/em> bunch of operators, said BBC. Rhodesian civil servants said they are willing to work for a new black government if Great Britain will give them certain concessions. Bra\u2013 Great Britain said, we are [in] no positions to give the concessions. The country belongs to Zimbabwe. It\u2019s a matter of their own internal decision. At least that was a fair admission that they had intruded too much in the past in Rhodesia or what we call Zimbabwe. It was the British that put up Ian Smith, the racist, in the first place, and it was Ian Smith that declared an illegal regime that broke away from<\/em>\u2013 broke away from<\/em> the uh, Commonwealth.<\/p>\n

Johannesburg. 170,000 tons, two weeks \u2013 shut the door, please \u2013 two weeks ago\u2013 170,000 tons, two weeks ago. Railway resumed to bring the fertilizers into Johannesburg after those who were fighting the South African members of SWAPO [South West Africa People’s Organization] and other ra\u2013 black liberation groups had destroyed an entire railroad system, and 170,000 tons of important fertilizer meant for the regime in South Africa. It got to Zambia through a roundabout route, however. Instead of the English\u2013 or instead of the Afrikaners, the white racists getting ahold\u2013 (pause) instead of the uh, situation allowing for the total destruction<\/em> of the 170,000 tons of fertilizer, the guerilla operations managed to get it through to Zambia, through help, traveling by night, by covered wagon, by truck. So Zambia got all of the fertilizer that was meant for the Republic of South Africa, the fascist dictatorship of South Africa.<\/p>\n

Venezuela visit by England. They\u2019re trying to decide some agreements on oil. Crude oil.<\/p>\n

Cuba normalizing relations with the West. It\u2019s felt the USA is going to pull away from this ridiculous boycott that has existed so long between Cuba and the United States.<\/p>\n

Crawford [Francis Jay Crawford, International Harvester executive arrested and tried in Moscow]: Five years suspended sentence. It shows the humanity of the Soviet system. He plans to leave the country soon. He was guilty of white marketeering of money, on the black market \u2013 or white market \u2013 exchange<\/a>. In any other nation, he woulda been arrested and convicted for ten years, but the Soviets are known for their humane treatment of people. The BBC claims that their activities would be normal and okay in the West. Not\u2013 not okay, though, by Soviet law, to try to apologize for him being arrested in the first place. It\u2019s a known fact that England and all<\/em> nations do not allow money to be sent or sold on the black market, white market.<\/p>\n

Did this case stifle foreign business? Yes, it has, according to BBC, and they feel that the Soviet Union wants it that way. The Soviet Union and the Cold War atmosphere is uh, learning\u2013 is\u2013 is\u2013 as having less and less faith in the Western nations. And they\u2019re cutting off more and more commerce with them as the Cold War heartens [hardens].<\/p>\n

British and Americans are developing an advanced air field attack system bomb, designed to pick up Soviet air fields. The bomb opens up over the target, and the crater makes it very difficult to fill in because the bomb is so dangerous if, on an airstrip, it puts it out of commission for many, many months and makes everything around it radioactive for thousands of years. No mention that Warsaw Pact has anything like this. The Soviets said, \u201cWe do not tell what we have,\u201d said, \u201cUS talks like a little child, playing marbles. We keep our secrets until it\u2019s time to fight.\u201d This is nei\u2013 the\u2013 the Congress of the United States is har\u2013 crying out for neutralization of the Soviet naval superiority. The So\u2013 Soviet Union\u2019s naval superiority is now approximately five<\/em> times that of the United States.<\/p>\n

Another Rhodesian aircraft was shot down by rifles by black guerillas. A people\u2019s court was held for all 70 of them, and there were 60 \u2013 there were 90 originally, 20 died \u2013 and all 70 were shot<\/em> within four hours. They uh\u2013 they represented different parts of the regime, and they\u2019re tired of being tortured. It\u2019s probably excess, but anybody could feel<\/em> for the Zamb\u2013 for the Zimbabweans, when their villages are being br\u2013 burned out, their children being napalmed to death, and so they are really getting back at some of these Rhodesian white oppressors.<\/p>\n

Nearly 900 have died in Indian floods. Whole population has been affected. Today, another 900 died. It looks like that there will be nothing left of food for that subcontinent. The situation remains grave. The Soviet Union has been the first nation to promise excess of food supply. In a terse remark from TASS, there was an accusation that the CIA has seeded clouding to cause this mess over India. And if it keeps up, the Soviets said, if you want<\/em> war, we are prepared to fight a war. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Now, continue here, a few more points. Voice of America News. One million Iranians marched in the streets of the capital city, demanding political freedoms<\/em>. It\u2019s out of control<\/em> in Iran, when one million can gather in the capital. This was the act of defiance against the Shah\u2013 (pause) Shah\u2019s ban on public demonstrations. Peaceful except for police shooting. The police are afraid to move, the army\u2019s afraid to move, and it looks like Shah\u2019s government \u2013 one of the richest in the world \u2013 may topple soon. Tear gas was shot into the air, but the police are afraid to confront the masses. Never has there been that much resistance in a capital of people opposed to a government. One million people, approximately, in Tehran, Iran, protesting the unjust system of the Shah. (Pause, microphone moved) S\u2013 Stand by. (Muffled talking, unintelligible) (pause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013no plans for general elections in the fall. A date for the general elections will be continued and postponed in the interest of na\u2013 uh, democratic security, he [James Callaghan] said. He said, \u201cIf I conduct elections in the fall, the neo-fascist coalition, that includes the National Front and Margaret Thatcher\u2019s conservative government, will destroy<\/em> England and bring about a fascist state.\u201d And even though no Prime Minister has ever defied an election when Parliament called for one, he said he<\/em> will, if it means he goes to jail. He said, \u201cWe\u2019re not<\/em> going to see England turned into a racist<\/em> and fascist<\/em> state.\u201d That\u2019s a brave action on his part. Actions have already been picked \u2013 I mean, the\u2013 the elections have already been picked by the newspaper and general public as October fifth. He announced to the House of Commons that he is challenging the opposition parties to defeat him, and he said the newspapers can go to hell. They do not run England. Exports\u2013 Experts predict that he would not get the minority vote in an election.<\/p>\n

US dollar. S\u2013 Slight fall today on the Japanese yen. Experts say it is because Japanese businessmen will be on the market for oil and US currency soon.<\/p>\n

Soweto. Demonstration in South Africa in memory of Steve Biko assassination. Although there is a public ban on demonstration, speakers got up on the platforms and read former speeches of Biko\u2019s, including one that criticized the education pro\u2013 program of South Africa. Immediately after the speakers finished their speech, they were all arrested and put in house ales\u2013 house arrest for the rest of their life. That was one hundred and ten people were put under house arrest for the rest of their life. So there are some brave people around. They were black and white that were put under house arrest in the dread fascist state that oppresses black and Indian people in South Africa.<\/p>\n

United Nations. General Kurt Waldheim announced the United Nations\u2019 liberation plan for Namibia which provides free elections and ensures national liberation by the middle of next year, so they say. The Soviets are very<\/em> skeptical. These are the wishes of the Western nations. SWAPO, the revolutionary command of Namibia, wants a ceasefire<\/em> and the removal of all African troops and<\/em> the presence of some Cuban and Soviet troops in a peace<\/em>-keeping force before they will accept any negotiation with USA and its puppet Union of South Africa.<\/p>\n

France. Major French seaport. All ship movement suspended because of a four meter\u2013 40 feet whale who is\u2013 (coughs) who is stranded there since early this week. French navy firing blank shells into the harbor to try and scare him back into the ocean, but he still stands there and looks at them, and it isn\u2019t working, and the public is aroused in France about him. He\u2019s such a bus\u2013 beautiful specimen, they won\u2019t allow the government to fire upon him and kill him, so he is just basking in the sunlight in the major port of France.<\/p>\n

This is the end of the rue\u2013 the news for the day, and I\u2019ll give you later news from Moscow, perhaps in the afternoon. Be sure to study your news well. Keep up with the news. Remember, testing this evening. I love you.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Part 2:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Attention, attention. Be sure that you recognize that the distinguished guests come in tomorrow and the agent provocateur [Joe Mazor], who has stepped forward out of fear for his life, and he says that even though he wasn\u2019t a socialist, he could not condone kidnapping, murder, mercenary actions. As you know, he has indicted several of our ex-members as being CIA. In fact, some like [Tim] Stoen and Deanna Mertle go back before the membership began. There\u2019re a number of questions we will wish to ask him. We will wish to ask him \u2013 Radio Room do not help but\u2013 help me to remember \u2013 why he was talking to Marvin Swinney, talking to the Claims\u2019 Office, Deed and Trust Office in Ukiah. And why it was that he told Carol Dennis that I would be assassinated, and moreover why he told Carol Dennis, when he was against us, he was running the big office for the conspirators, why he told her that no one could come and go from Jonestown without him being in\u2013 informed by CI agent here. We will demand and see that we get those answers. If not, we will turn him over to the authorities, but don\u2019t say anything about that. They will happily agree with us, as they did with the woman who took the cameras and didn\u2019t listen to us, they confiscated all of her cameras and her films. It\u2019s good to be in an environment, a socialist environment, that\u2019s not afraid to stand up to CIA agents. And that woman was also an agent \u2013 we have now been informed, she was an agent \u2013 and Valerie did such a good job of standing up against her mother. It was obvious she had no interest in Valerie, beautiful as she is, all the years she was reared and educated without her help at all. So she was here for mischief.<\/p>\n

Now, remember: you don\u2019t speak to strangers other than to say hello and good-bye. If I bring the person to you, you can say \u2013 I\u2019ll rehearse you what to say beforehand. We say one thing with (pause) the Rush to Judgment<\/em> author, uh, Don\u2013 oh dear, Don\u2013 not Don Freed, but Mark (pause) Lane, Mark Lane, who wrote Rush to Judgment<\/em> and Code Name Zorro<\/em>, that showed the FBI killed Martin Luther King. Rush to Judgment<\/em>, that showed President Kennedy was killed by oil interests. We will speak one<\/em> way to them about our views, our socialist views. But we will be very<\/em> careful. He\u2019ll be in the East House. No one is to approach that house, and no one\u2013 we\u2019ll have tight security to see he doesn\u2019t come or go. We will be careful to look for the fact that he could be\u2013 That doesn\u2019t make much sense, he\u2019s given so much information, and there\u2019s not much more lies he could say, because so many good<\/em> people have been here and went away praising the place. But we must still be mindful that he might<\/em> be a double agent, and he might<\/em> try to contact some agent in our midst. So everyone is to watch him all the time. Smile, be friendly, but just keep an eye on him. Never, never once.<\/p>\n

When I uh, get up to uh, the gentleman, I will make a certain expression. I will shake his hand very, very soundly. I will hug the other brothers. I will shake his hands very, very soundly. Uh\u2013 The large handshake \u2013 that will point out to you who the conspirator has been who has now defected to tell us that, not only is Stoen in the CIA and has been since it was the beginning of the church, but is in the Nazi movement, connected with INTERPOL. Apparently, the only reason Stoen didn\u2019t do harm to us earlier was because my power had touched him in a healing, and that caused him to bide his time. But as time went on and work was too much, he turned and has been working as an agent constantly since. But it\u2019s good to know, that even through this conspirator, he reports that the entire conspiracy is nervous because there are elements that do not approve in the Bar Association of their attack on Peoples Temple, and they consider uh, Stoen is breaching the attorney-client privilege, and that he\u2019ll be losing his license very soon. We want to also, Radio, see that they write letters here, all sorts of letters to that effect, Professor [Richard] Tropp, so they can go out with uh, our attorney, Charles Garry, or Mark Lane, the great author. Don Freed won\u2019t be coming at this time because he\u2019s making movies and writing another book. But he\u2019ll be back very soon.<\/p>\n

In something in the Soviet news I thought of interest: In praise of snakes. There are more superstitions, myths, and legends about snakes than almost anything on earth. First, only about 500 of the twe\u2013 2,500 known species are [in] any way poisonous, and very few of those are deadly. What concerns experts much more is that human ignorance by cam\u2013 campaigns to wipe out snakes disturbs the ecological balance of nature. The Soviet Union has made it a crime to kill snakes. Uh, that\u2019s how tender they are to life. They want to keep the balance that nature\u2019s created. Where they have been most zealously killed off, they are replaced by plagues of mice and rats and other things much more dangerous. The Soviet government has made it a crime, and a sentence of three months, if anyone kills a snake, unless the snake was in the actual attack, about to bite them. But then they want you to prove it for sure, because they say you can get out of the way of a snake if you care to. And snakes are the sole source of snake venom, which is of the utmost value in medicinal research in the Soviet Union in the fighting of cancer, in heart disease, in various other kinds of conditions. Snake venom has rich and valued use. In the Soviet Union [then pronounces \u201cUSSR\u201d in Russian], many snakes are now protected, and special nurseries have been set up to ensure a regular supply. And that\u2019s important that uh, some people in the world do regard life a little more sacred than we who have religious backgrounds and are afraid of snakes. There\u2019s only twenty-five hundred snakes in the world, 500 that are [in] any degree poisonous, and less than 50 that are in any way deadly poisonous. So take care where you walk. Don\u2019t handle them. We have, unfortunately, in the jungle, more deadly snakes than most, but they never come inside here. If you stay out of their way, they will never bother you. If you\u2019re working on Father\u2019s mission, wherever you\u2019re supposed to be, you don\u2019t have a thing to worry about. Not one thing.<\/p>\n

[Editor\u2019s note<\/em>: For the following section, we have included phonetic transliterations of Russian names and places which we were not otherwise able to identify in italics and brackets]<\/p>\n

I thought I would give you the third installment of Lenid\u2013 Leonid Brezhnev\u2019s war reminiscences. That\u2019s the president of the Communist Party.<\/p>\n

The night of February 3, 1943 was an especially dark one. The assault boats shipped\u2013 slipped silently out of [Ganinjik Fortumiskia<\/em>] Bay. From there, the point of deployment, they scurried for the shore as signal flares shot into the air, the same moment our artillery began pounding the pre-designated strip of shore. The flaming salvos of the [kiachua<\/em>], this was the first time in the war that a rocket projector had been mounted on a trawler. The [skumbria<\/em>] thunderous burst into rolling, thunderous explosion. Two of our torpedo boats\u2013 (pause, speaks away from microphone) Two of our torpedo boats swiftly cut across the assault craft\u2019s course, sending up a smokescreen in their wake and blinding the enemy\u2019s fire from the shore. A patrol launched open fire against the area, where the fish cannery was neutralizing the weapons sites that had survived the artillery attack. At the instance Kunikov\u2019s men hit the shore, our bat\u2013 our batteries halted their fire. In war, not everything proceeds as planned. Often the course of battle runs somewhat differently \u2013 and sometimes very differently, indeed \u2013 from the way it was mapped out at headquarters. That is when the courage, dedication, and initiative of every commander and every political officer of every soldier and sailor becomes something priceless.<\/p>\n

War historians know that there had been an attempt to gain a beachhead at another point near [Yusnia Oserika<\/em>], thirty kilometers from where we were. That is where the main landing was to have taken place. But a storm arose and delayed the departure of the landing vessels. The ground forces were also late reaching the starting point. But the breakthrough by Kunikov\u2019s men, which took the enemy completely by surprise, proved to be exceptionally successful, and we immediately took advantage of it. Being outnumbered by 100 to one, we were able to breach the curtain of fire. Our landing detachment was able to seize a still very small but very important sector of a shore near Stani\u2013 [Stanashiki<\/em>], a Novar\u2013 Novorossiysk (Pause) suburb. About a thousand Nazis were killed and four guns were captured, which immediately opened fire against the enemy. Ninety minutes later, a second group reached the shore, and then another, which brought up the landing force strength to 800, and we were still outnumbered. They were in the al\u2013 they were in the 400,000s to our ha\u2013 800. The enemy moved new units to the site. Fascist planes bombed it. Heavily artillery began hammering away at it, and desperate counterattacks came one after another in staccato succession. But it was too late. The troops had managed to get a firm foothold, capturing several blocks in [Stanashiki<\/em>] and uh, three kilometers of railway. And although they suffered considerable losses, they didn\u2019t retreat one step.<\/p>\n

Over several nights, two marine brigades, an infantry brigade, a fighter, and a tank regid\u2013 regiment, and several other units, were landed on the beachhead. Hundreds of tons of ammunition and food supplies were unloaded. Five days later, there were 17,000 fighting men with machine\u2013 submachine guns, motar\u2013 mortars, guns and anti-tank cannons in the vicinity. Then five partisans detachments were landed. I would like to take this opportunity to salute the partisans. Those who think of them as isolated group in the enemy\u2019s rear are quite wrong. Many detachments did\u2013 did come into being spontaneously, but their actions were coordinated from party-led centers that were never broken up, even though the Nazis had conquered half of the Soviet territory. At times, they carried out large-scale operations, in full keeping with regular unit command plans. This was the situation on the small land Mali\u2013 Malaya Zemlya. The successful landing by the first assault detachment, and the operative troop build-up, and the advance by the regiments and corps, along a well-fortified and mined shore, all<\/em> demanded clockwork coordination of infantry, engineer units, sailors and artillery. The artillery could not afford the slightest error. At many points, our units were a grenade thrown from the enemies. It was even tougher for our pilots. We were outnumbered by four\u2013 40,000 to 800,000\u2013 uh, 40,000 to 400,000. That\u2019s a hell of a number.<\/p>\n

I recall how our men, said Brezhinski\u2013 uh, uh, Brezhnev, rather, the President of the Soviet Union, I recall how our men laid out their undershirts on the trench, breast work prior to our air raids, as a way of designating our uh, forward lines. It should be noted that, logistically, oor position was not at\u2013 at all a good one. We held a narrow strip of shore \u2013 long, bare, and flat \u2013 while the Germans controlled all the heights in the forest. This was the fir\u2013 the time it first dawned on me, said Brezn\u2013 Brezhnev, President of the Soviet Union who fought in the war, that, apart from everything else, war was tremendous labor. A labor of yesterday\u2019s steel workers, fighters\u2013 fitters, miners, farmers, combine operators, stock breeders, construction workers, and carpenters. All Malaya Zemlya had been transformed into an underground fortress. Two hundred and thirty well-concei\u2013 concealed observation posts were its eyes, and 500 gunpits its iron fists. Dozens\u2013 dozens of miles of communication trenches, thousands of foxholes, emplacements in slip\u2013 trenches had been dug\u2013 had been dug.<\/p>\n

We were forced to bore approaches through rocky ground and build underground ammunition dumps, underground hospitals, and an underground (Pause) city to shelter the\u2013 the inhabitants. We were forced to move only along the trenches. It\u2019s not an easy thing to do, but if you uh, just stick your head out a bit, you are finished. You had to stay in a situation\u2013 sitting position for long stretches of it at the time. I sat at one time 36 hours in a sitting position. Some of us ought to had to go through some of this. S\u2013 USA shoulda had to go through some of this, then they would hate capitalism and fascism, and know how dangerous nuclear war is and how important it is to have peace. And later, when the fascists were finally forced to retreat, some of our men suffering from what we called \u201csitting sickness.\u201d They couldn\u2019t get up. They were stiffened in the motion of being s\u2013 uh, seated.<\/p>\n

The inventiveness\u2013 the inventiveness of the engineers was really amazing. Sappers connected shell holes with the trenches and turned them into dugouts. Three de\u2013 defiant defense lines, a kilometer apart, about a mile apart, were built and mine fields laid along them. We had well-functioning underground communication lines. The command post stationed in premises cut into a clip\u2013 cliff at a depth of over two\u2013 20 feet, could secretly move troops through the communication trenches to wherever the situation became perilous. There was no man\u2013 there was a No Man\u2019s Land. In one section, the enemy positions were 50 or 60 feet from ours. The fortified beachhead became a kind of fortress city. Streets even came into being. (after several attempts) [Gospital Nalia<\/em>], Hospital, [Sapfyor Naya<\/em>] Sapper, [Beth Hok Naya<\/em>], Infa\u2013 Infantry, and [Matroskia<\/em>] Sailor streets. None of them had a single house, and no one knew who had made up the names, but they didn\u2019t come out of an empty air. [Sapfyor Naya<\/em>] was a ravine, well-shev\u2013 shelled s\u2013 and well-sheltered from enemy fire, while Gospen\u2013 [Gospital Nalia<\/em>], Hospital was on a stretch of hilly terrain, totally exposed to fire. And men frequently landed in hospital straight from there. There was no machinery, no building materials, but our able chaps, dedicated to Marxist-Leninism, ingeniously bur\u2013 burrowed into the ground, moving into stray\u2013 into stay, and never give up, to die first. Everyone who took part in building that fortress could be called a hero.<\/p>\n

The reader may get the impression that the life of the thousands on the beachhead was a constant diet of attacks, bombing raids, and hand-to-hand combat. It wasn\u2019t. During that long period, life there had all the elements that usually fill a person\u2019s life. We put out and read newspapers. We held party \u2013 Communist Party \u2013 meetings, celebrated holidays, and attended lec\u2013 attended lectures\u2013 lectures also. We determined to keep human civilization alive. We even organized a chess tournament. The Army and Navy song and dance companies put on shows, and artists worked there. I remember how Central Committee of the Communist Party team once arrived. It was the first time they had been in our area, and they asked me, President Brezhnev, head of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, if I would acquaint them with Malya\u2013 Malaya Zem\u2013 Zemlya\u2019s fighters. That time we set out in a torpedo boat. As soon as we had left, our side fired a flare, signaling our existence. Just about over. The Germans kept up an incessant barrage of fire as we approached the landing point. They had high-angle guns, so it was very uh, important that it\u2013 we\u2013 that we hug the shore, skim along the edge, and again, shells began exploding quite nearby. For a moment, we forgot that they were aimed at us. It was an extraordinary sight, indeed. A long-range coast battery, looking something like the [Saw Bell<\/em>] was there on the beachhead. It had been turned into a command post, and it was to this post that we had to make our way under fire. And we were greatly outnumbered. I was already in\u2013 injured. And\u2013 And I\u2019d had similar situations that made me somewhat apprehensive. But I think our guests were very impressed.<\/p>\n

At times, things were definitely very tough. We were cut off from the mainland. There was a shortage of salt, and we sometimes ran out of bread and had to go two or three days, fighting endlessly without food, because the\u2013 the Germans had uh, blockaded our supplies, and USA and our allies were nowhere to be seen with the support that we needed. But we fought on. Whole units were sent out into the woods to collect wild garlic. To make matters worse, it was extremely damp in the catacombs. The men were chilled through to the bone at night, and the political department communist officers and to\u2013 had to concern themselves with heating<\/em> facilities, ordering iron stoves, and gathering firewood. And yet, Malaya Zemlya, this so-called small land remained Soviet land, and the people on it remained people of liberation. They made plans, joked, laughed, and even organized birthday parties for every soldier that was in the ranks. On February 15, eleven days after the first landing \u2013 this is in \u201943 \u2013 on February 15, eleven days after the first landing, one commando, Sha\u2013 [Shava Karaspira<\/em>] turned 23. His inseparable friend\u2013 (pause; speaks an aside with microphone covered) his inseparable friend [Petor Pyort\u2013 Pyort Virashogoven<\/em>] gave him 23 cartridges from his own submachine gun. This, as a present. It was a very precious gift. Ammunition was in short supply, and an enemy attack was soon to come.<\/p>\n

A great deal in that life next-door to death seemed at first glance absolutely out-of-place in a war situation. I, [Dorotayif<\/em>], Chief of the Political Department of the 255th Marine Brigade, once did a count, and found that there were fifteen counselors to city, district, and rural Soviets in the brigade. All the city officials, the mayors \u2013 every one \u2013 all the important elements of the Communist Party, were right on the front line, fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with all the working class. It was decided to call a session. Now what problems could they possibly tackle? The same ones they had to deal with in peace time. The needs of the people. Public services. Their first decision involved (pause; microphone covered) building a bath house. (Pause) That was their first and major problem was to build a bathhouse and an outdoor toilet. And it was built in four hours. An excellent Russian bathhouse was built, as [Iwan<\/em>] would put it, after only five<\/em> hours. That\u2019s where they have steam. The Russians like to get the impurities out of their bodies. They use uh, bathhouses, and it\u2019s quite effective in the Scanavia\u2013 Scandinavian. It relaxes them, both bones and muscles. We probably ought to look at such a thing here<\/em>, when we have other things, priorities, taken clare of\u2013 taken care of. I was invited to try it out also, and, although small, the steam room preserved the steam well.<\/p>\n

Resourcefulness, invention, and wit were very much appreciated in Malaya Zemlya, and there were no few people of such abilities. I remember that certain fella with a bit of inspiration sent once on some business to [Jelandinjik<\/em>] came upon a lost cow wandering in the mountains. He immediately made up his mind to bring it to Malaya Zemlya. He made his appearance on the pair\u2013 uh, pier with the animal, and asked the motor launch commander to let him take it on board. Everybody standing around had a good laugh. What were\u2013 uh, what were all for the in\u2013 initiative, the wounded would have milk. Uh, (stumbles over words) there\u2019s something, there\u2019s an error here. Everybody standing around had a good laugh, but were all for the initiative. The wounded would have milk. They managed to hand\u2013 land the cow safely, and she was housed in a reliable shelter. And where do you think the shelter was? They put her in the cabin\u2019s quarters. Her milk was regularly supplied to the hospital, which was in the cellar of what was once a state farm vineyard before the war. But the important thing wasn\u2019t the milk. The cow brought the men a lot of joy, especially those from the countryside. After each bombing or shelling, they would come running to find out whether their darling was safe. She became the mascot, the pet, of the entire fighting force of the Soviets that were outnumbered ten-to-one, 400,000 Germans to 40,000 Soviets. They would always ask how their darling was, whether or not she had been injured, and would stroke her gently. It\u2019s not an easy<\/em> thing to explain, but the appearance of this purely peacetime creature in a situation and atmosphere that was enormously tense, where we expected to die any moment, helped people preserve certain psychological equilibrium. It helped remind the men that all life\u2019s joys would<\/em> return, that life was still going on, but that that life had to be defended and fought for, and one day socialism would be a reality all over the world.<\/p>\n

Thus ends the news and commentary. Thank you, and I love you very much.<\/p>\n

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Jones: <\/strong>Attention, attention. There\u2019re too many people I\u2019m observing going around through the yards that are sitting around, chatting, walking slowly, aimlessly. I think it\u2019s a shame, friends. We have so much money to spend out. We gotta protect<\/em> this conspirator. We have to run him around all sorts<\/em> of places. That\u2019s going to cost us money, so that no one in the conspiracy can kill<\/em> him. And we\u2019ve got to bring uh, Mark Lane here. He has gone all the way from Washington to San Francisco to take care of our affairs. He\u2019s a man who charges<\/em> $1,000 an hour. And so naturally, we gotta pay for his airplane fare. We need some people to work<\/em> and to make things, and you set around here. You pain me badly. I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019ve got a fever of 103. You ask the doctor. And uh, I\u2019m carrying right on, doing my work, and I\u2019ve got diarrhea like a goose<\/em>. And I\u2019m going right on with my work. I don\u2019t<\/em> know why it is that you just stand<\/em> around, and I ask administrators and supervisors to do<\/em> something about this. Because some\u2013 apparently some supervisors are covering ass for their workers so the workers won\u2019t say anything about them. But there\u2019s too much dilly-dally. Too much lack of enthusiasm<\/em>. By God, we\u2019ve got to make this place shine<\/em>, so that we can be a model<\/em> for the rest of the world<\/em>. If we win the battle here, and it certainly shows this government is backing us up in this matter of CIA\u2013 CIA agents when they confiscated over a thousand dollars of cameras on our word alone on that bitch that came in here who was also an agent, trying to act like she\u2019d been interested in her daughter, Valerie, a beautiful girl, who she deserted. But I\u2019ll tell<\/em> you: this has got to be made a place of productivity. The Soviets are coming any<\/em> day, and I want this place to blossom<\/em>. You could be looking around for eyesores if you got so many\u2013 much time to sit on your ass and talk, whether you\u2019re in Security or what you\u2019re in. You can plant<\/em> some things \u2013 go ask Gene Chaikin \u2013 and plant<\/em> things, get rid of all the ugly eyesores. There\u2019s a path that is uh, behind\u2013 as I said, behind the schools. That\u2019s got to be planted in. I want all<\/em> that area planted in. We don\u2019t want any of these old, dry areas that sh\u2013 uh, that look so uh, unbeautified, the lacking in beauty and attractiveness. Let\u2019s all get our minds on it now, and Inspections and Public Services, let\u2019s get with this, because the first ones are coming tomorrow<\/em>, and we\u2019ve got to be on ball for that measure\u2013 for that matter. We must<\/em> be. We\u2019ve got to make this place spick and span. Pick up debris and wood around where you\u2019ve been working. Remove<\/em> that stuff and get it out of sight. I have to urge upon you that this is the case. We don\u2019t want any barren space. We want plants covering all<\/em> areas that have been just simply cleared, and they look like just bare patches of ground. I urge you to do this immediately<\/em> and make better paths between the two schools, rather than that piece of old stick. I don\u2019t want to see that kind of crap. I\u2019m asking for you to make the best of the beauty of this place. And I\u2019m asking especially Inspectors that I name, plus the Inspection Committee and the Public Services, to do something about it right now.<\/p>\n

Thank you. Remember the People\u2019s Rally uh\u2013 the teaching will be under the pavilion for testing at 7:30. Thank you so much. And I love you. Please, show that you care about others, so we can get this place beautiful and get into some of these magazines and some of the picture companies that want to do something about us around the world so we can get some funds<\/em> in here to make your life the happiest that it could be. Or whatever. You\u2019ve got this life, then you\u2019ve got the life in the Soviet Union that\u2019s paradise, if you want that. So we\u2019ve got so much to look forward to. Let\u2019s be more energetic. Thank you so much.<\/p>\n

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Jones: <\/strong>(speaking slowly, with some difficulty) Attention, attention. There\u2019s still not enough energy shown by workers. Around the cottages, in my review, they\u2019re not clean. The porches are not presentable. Their beds are not presentable. The shoes are not put away and cleaned. This is essential, absolutely essential. We must<\/em> stop the dilator\u2013 dilatorness\u2013 dilatorness\u2013 (deliberate) dilatory way in which some people regard their own property. The collective property belongs to all people. Waste has got to be cut down in food, and we must<\/em> have people not demanding medications for hypochondriac conditions. If I were to go on the basis of my pain, they\u2019d be giving me dozen pills a day. So I\u2019m urging<\/em> you, before you have to be brought up in People\u2019s Rally, to take heed. Tonight, there will be set up the screen for Russian for a brief time. Then there will be a test. The test on the news up until last People\u2019s Rally. So be prepared for that. Those who do not pass will have three extra classes. Some good people don\u2019t pass, but they need learning skills enhanced so that they\u2019ll be acceptable to the beautiful paradise of the Soviet Union if we need it. I urge you to pick up little pieces around the schools, pieces of paper. Teachers, please, set the examples, and in the pavilion, all around. I endlessly<\/em> have to pick up literally hundreds of pieces of paper because people are not careful. We\u2019ve got to teach that our property belongs to everyone, and I\u2019m urging you to follow suit.<\/p>\n

Remember, the conspic\u2013 the coof uh\u2013 the coin\u2013 co-conspirator top man who knows that Stoen is in the CIA, has connections with where the money is coming, is coming here. I will shake hands with him, but I will hug uh, Charles Garry and Mark Lane, the world-famous writer who wrote Rush to Judgment<\/em> and a number of other fantastic books, Who Killed Kennedy?<\/em> So I\u2019ll hug them and I\u2019ll shake hands with the conspirator. No one is to be seen seeking him out. If he seeks you out, you just say, \u201cI\u2019m so happy here, I wouldn\u2019t dream of you\u2013 returning to the United States, to the pollution, to the gangs, to the drugs, to the (Pause) lack of school opportunities, to the pollution.\u201d It\u2019s important<\/em> that you get this in your brain<\/em>. I cannot impress this again. The kitchen tables must be cleaned immaculately, as well as the vegetable stand. We must to have very good food starting tomorrow, very good fo\u2013 food throughout the visitors, guests. We always have very good feud\u2013 good food, but we want to be extremely careful in case he\u2019s a double agent. So I want you to again warn<\/em> your neighbor, that anyone caught talking to this person will be dealt with as a traitor, in the severest fashion.<\/p>\n

Please decorate the porches of the apartments. There\u2019s more that could be done. Plants and\u2013 plants and, p\u2013 and boxes hanging down. The apartment dwellers themselves could make it look beautiful, like one has made the flag of the South American continent. You can make flags of African continent. We\u2019ve got to do more fastly, more rapidly. And plant, as I said, behind the school building all the way to the dormitory pathway, so that it will look beautiful. Every idea to beautify, please put it into practice, and we will give you special honors for it. It\u2019s urgent<\/em> that people get off their duff and quit this laziness or we\u2019re going to take it into our hands. Much love.<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

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