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(Note<\/strong>: This tape was transcribed by Vicki Perry. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/i><\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Test, test, one two, testing, testing, testing, testing.<\/p>\n

(Mike Prokes\u2019 voice taped over woman\u2019s voice)<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Greetings from the Peoples Temple Agricultural Project from Jonestown near Port Kaituma of the Northwest District in Guyana. Music you\u2019ve been hearing is by the Jonestown Express and one of the several senior choirs. I\u2019m Mike Prokes and I\u2019m here with Jim Jones, the founder and administrator of the Peoples Temple Agricultural Project. Jim, I thought you might like to review some of the things that have been happening in Jonestown, including some of the recent prominent visitors we\u2019ve had here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, we\u2019ve had a number of people who have come to our satisfaction, and gone through the community with a thorough, microscopic eye. We wanted them to do this because there\u2019re people who do not understand collective living or cooperative living, and they went away extremely<\/i> impressed. Doctor Mark Lane, who\u2019s written such books as Rush To Judgment,<\/i> and Doctor Don Freed, who\u2019s also written The Innocence<\/i> about the Rosenbergs [Ethel and Julius Rosenberg] and Who Killed RF Kennedy <\/i>[Who Killed RFK<\/i>]. They make it their purpose to look into uh, various groups that uh, receive harassment, and we have had our share of harassment. We have not been in any way desirous of making a big issue of that. What we want was a inquiry, and it\u2019s been\u2013 it\u2019s to our satisfaction, because the truth always comes out in the end. We wanted them to be able to report what they saw. We had uh, uh, Doctor Paul and Doctor [Carlton] Goodlett, two that I had mentioned. President of the National Newspaper Publishers who owns several newspapers, Ph.D., medical doctor, and he said he was overwhelmed<\/i>. In fact all of them said they were going to retire<\/i> in beautiful Guyana, because they said they had never seen such a thrilling<\/i> environment and thrilling community<\/i> as Jonestown here in the Northwest District.<\/p>\n

We are in love with uh, Guyana. And we hope that we can do more. We\u2019ve just achieved some new breakthroughs. We found some inherbal remedies, and even one of the remedies were used by Doctor Goodlett himself that had brought down an edema<\/i>, swelling that he had had for some years<\/i>. We\u2019ve had uh, some success, to say the least, in uh, making small industries uh, such as dolls and things of that\u2013 bunny rabbits uh, for the Christmas season that will help with our free clinic, as people come in by large numbers, and we of course operate on the basis of no monetary system. We don\u2019t condemn those who do<\/i>. Other cooperatives work very well who use<\/i> a monetary system. I gather from what I\u2019ve heard from various socialist countries who have visited<\/i> us, or we have visited, that we\u2019re one of the few<\/i> where there is absolutely no monetary system in dealing with each other internally<\/i>. And anyone who comes in to our clinic uh, gets all the free medicines that they need<\/i>. It\u2019s a heavy burden<\/i>, and so we attempt to make up for that by uh, sales of our clothing. We\u2013 we\u2019re clothing manufacturers. We are s\u2013 also good uh, toy makers, and make various furnitures, and we\u2019re getting into other ideas all the time.<\/p>\n

We\u2019re into bricks<\/i> now. We hope that we found something that will be helpful to the cooperative republic of Guyana in uh, building uh, brick houses. We think we have the potential of building a brick house a week and we\u2019re in our long landscape or our long range view for Guyana uh, for Jonestown, (clears throat) and we intend to build a hundred and one new dwellings<\/i>. Not that we\u2019re bringing that many more people<\/i> in, but we want to give that more\u2013 more expansion<\/i>. More Guyanese are integrating in our community every day, and that\u2019s a thing that makes us feel very good. We are Guyanese, but I say neighboring<\/i> Guyanese.<\/p>\n

We also are making our own soap,<\/i> and that we\u2019ve refined to the degree that it\u2013 I find it\u2013 I even shave<\/i> with it. I find it to be very satisfactory in every sense of the word. We\u2019ve had a number of other celebrated people come through, but I don\u2019t just happen to remember them. I think we\u2019re due to have a visit from some uh, Hollywood actors and a couple of movie companies who are fascinated by Jonestown to film it thoroughly and to live with us for some time, and that\u2019s the way you can only\u2013 the only<\/i> way you can catch the spirit<\/i> of Jonestown. We are deeply<\/i> appreciative of Guyana for allowing us to exist and to build along these pacifistic and socialist lines that we have found so satisfying.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> (tapes has echo in question) What significance beyond just the vacation uh, did the visits of Doctor Lane and Doctor Goodlett and Doctor Freed have? I know Doctor Freed, who incidentally referred to Jim Jones yourself as a saint<\/i>, said that he wanted to bring anthropologists and sociologists and uh, even psychologists here. What is it that makes him want to do that?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, I think it\u2019s a social phenomena where you find, uh, as Doctor Lane said\u2013 after a few days he was struck in awe by the fact he never heard anyone raise their voice<\/i> to someone else. Well, it was a factor that I had not observed<\/i> but it does\u2013 it does exist<\/i>. People are calm<\/i>. Now\u2013 We are non-violent people, the community forum voted out from the beginning we don\u2019t spank and uh, we reason<\/i> and logic and uh, I think he finds it an unusual phenomenon.<\/p>\n

Now about this saint business, I am sure that I am not a saint. It\u2019s a compliment and I appreciate that, but I would think that uh, any anthropologist or sociologist would have uh, uh, real<\/i> uh, insight from seeing Jonestown. In a world where two out of three babies are going to go to bed hungry, undoubtedly<\/i> many are going to have to learn<\/i> to live on collectives, or cooperatives as the socialist government here called them. I\u2013 I think too they need to realize it\u2019s not unpleasant<\/i>. If one lives<\/i> in them and sees<\/i> the benefits<\/i> that you get, medical<\/i> care, the recreation. Here we have this video television, tape television of the best television in the world and uh, dances<\/i>, you know and all sorts of sports. Chess, uh, volleyball, soccer, football, softball, baseball, basketball, and they have a great library<\/i> of thousands<\/i> of books, and a tremendous<\/i> medical staff here in the seventies, working very<\/i> cooperatively, teaching others<\/i> in a\u2013 the style of uh, some socialist around the world to learn as much as they can about uh, examinations, physical exams so it can be\u2013 they can be conducted by many<\/i>. That way you catch things in time. We were shocked<\/i> at the number of people who had gone through fine<\/i> medical institutions, when they went through our own in\u2013 very<\/i> intensive medical examinations and therapies by our practitioners and the MD, that they\u2019d overlooked<\/i> things that could have meant death. So how people can live together without strife and be every race under the sun represented. We have\u2013 You name the race that we don\u2019t<\/i> have. I can\u2019t think of any. Chinese, we have Amerindian, East Indian, we have uh, Native American Indian of the North, from North America, Chief who has gone to a great history, and we are trying to keep his language alive here. He\u2019s a Pomo, along with the uh, other languages that we are studying, which are diverse. We study many<\/i>, many languages here. Uh, I would think that anyone would want to know how<\/i> can this be and how can it work so easily? Certainly there\u2019s a strain to get it started, and I feel that. I felt that, but you see leadership growing and taking responsibility, and we\u2019re going to have to learn<\/i> to live this way. Some segments of the world. That doesn\u2019t mean everyone can live this way or to impose<\/i> it upon everyone. But obviously<\/i> when people are going to bed hungry, we\u2019re going to have to learn a lot<\/i> about collective and cooperative living<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> When you expressed the idea of wanting to build a community in this fashion, some people thought the idea was crazy<\/i>, taking people from such diverse backgrounds and putting them in the middle of the jungle and trying to get them to live harmoniously in peace and productively with all their needs met, as is happening<\/i> here. What\u2013 what is the key<\/i> to this uh, beyond cooperative living? Is it the fact that you mentioned before? There\u2019s no money exchanged and thus no human exploitation as a result, or what it\u2013 can you put your finger on?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Meanness is ex\u2013 extemporaneous and uh, impromptu. I\u2019m not probably capable of giving you the quickest uh, answer or perhaps the most precise. I think that there is a lack of competition, that people relax<\/i> when they realize that they\u2019re working cooperatively<\/i> for things. When we do things here, if we increase production, we have a feast. We have some new movies or\u2013 then there are individual<\/i> achievements too. Books, traveling to Georgetown, uh, scholarship later for university.<\/p>\n

But I think<\/i> for the most part what has happened to the youth can happen to anyone in the large industrial sectors. The cities are asphalt jungles filled with dope, gangs, all sorts of alienation. Joblessness, so youth resort to crime and uh, seniors are not even safe to walk down the street to cash their Social Security checks. Uh\u2013 We read that in the most prestigious magazines. It\u2019s inconceivable<\/i> at first to be in a community where you don\u2019t have to lock your door because no one steals and it\u2013 for a little while, some who came that had been accustomed to stealing, that was their way of life, they found themselves stealing silly things like toothbrushes, (stumbles over words), soap, you know, and what was the point of it? After a while they found out everybody has enough soap, everybody has enough uh, toothbrushes. And we reason with people. We find a very logical basis of uh, dealing<\/i> with people\u2019s problems. I\u2013 I couldn\u2019t give you all<\/i> the answers but I can say this: we\u2019re not experts or geniuses, so if we<\/i> can make a cooperative work, it can be done all<\/i> over the world because you\u2019re taking people from a system, a society that emphasized<\/i> competitive struggle and a great deal of alienation<\/i> existed, and a lot of these youth had tremendous<\/i> backgrounds of self-destruction, and now we have no anti-social problems at all. So I<\/i> believe in the cooperative life. It doesn\u2019t work for the other person? It certainly works for us at Jonestown.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Thank you, Jim. We\u2019ve run out of time, but we\u2019ll be back again, next week at this same time. Until then, we invite you as always to write us or call us. Our phone number in Georgetown is 68787. Our address is Post Office Box 893. On behalf of Comrade Jim Jones and all of us here in Jonestown, all the best.<\/p>\n

(Several moments of silence)<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Greetings, family. This is Mike Prokes, and I\u2019m here with our leader who we refer to as Dad here, and we are looking out over the Jonestown community which has grown by leaps and bounds, and all the modern conveniences that you could imagine. As Doctor [Walter] Thain was here recently, he said it\u2019s like a town in the USA with all the public conveniences. I\u2019d just like to have Dad describe some of the things that\u2019ve been done lately and tell about the visitors we\u2019ve had and what those of you who are\u2013 still have the\u2013 uh, still have the unfortune [misfortune] to have to be there can expect<\/i> when you get here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We are looking out over Jonestown, by the way, my beloved family, at four-thirty in the morning, and the nights are so<\/i> delightful because they\u2019re just right for sleeping. Breezes, gentle and all<\/i> that lovely perfume of the flowers about us, and the daytime the same. This is a land that doesn\u2019t know earthquakes. It doesn\u2019t know typhoons or tornadoes or any<\/i> natural disaster. I looked out over our tables and chairs here in the theater that\u2019ve been made by us. We\u2019re into the doll<\/i>-making. I look over to my left, I see Ruby [Jewell Carroll] still supervising the evening shift of uh, doll<\/i>-making. We\u2019re making dolls and uh, bunnies and things of that sort for Christmas that\u2019s going to help the project, because we need all the help we can get. We\u2019ve adopted<\/i> a number of little children who\u2019ve been brought, some of them, miles<\/i> thruogh the most gorgeous creeks. The people in Venezuela even, where they didn\u2019t know\u2013 uh, they didn\u2019t know uh, anything about medicines like we do.<\/p>\n

Guyana is a modern and a deeply rich country. We have, you know, our small boat and the bigger boat that we lease. Small boat we send back and forth nearly weekly with people from the neighborhoods for medical purposes where Dr. [Larry] Schacht can\u2019t do the surgery. He does most anything<\/i> though anymore. He\u2019s becoming a powerful<\/i> doctor, and we\u2019re developing what we call the barefoot doctor after the socialist example, and that is that everyone will be able to examine under that program, everyone for all major<\/i> illnesses. The reason for that is that we\u2019ve had too<\/i> many people arrive from the States here, and I want you to go and get those exams and be sure you have. We have\u2013 and not be just content with one. We\u2019ve had too many arrive here with diseases<\/i> after they\u2019d gone through the best medical so-called centers in USA, and mostly those diseases we\u2019re talking to about is cancer.<\/p>\n

To talk about Jonestown would take a lifetime. We\u2019re making soap. Etta Thompson looks like she\u2019s regained youth. Life has been renewed. It looks like aging in many instances has been turned back. She\u2019s being assisted by the new white sister who just came and joined the family, Sister [Donna] Stanfield. And (clears throat) you name the activity, and we have it here. Bananas everywhere\u2013 we don\u2019t have our yards like ordinary people do. We\u2013 Why should<\/i> we, when we can grow pineapples and bananas or coffee trees in them and they all blossom<\/i>. Or lemon or lime or tangerine or orange or grapefruit or breadfruit. You can go on and on and on, not to mention that delicious eddoes and oh, I love the\u2013 the cassava which we make our bread out of. And from that also comes a\u2013 a\u2013 a base that can make (unintelligible word) and a medication for athlete\u2019s foot. And oh, our tasty bread. You can smell off in the bakery section out here going on quarter of five nearly in this uh, Sunday morning. I\u2019m making this rather rapidly to go back with Jean [Brown]. You\u2019ll see how beautiful Guyana is, to see how pale she looked and how well she looks now that she\u2019s gone back.<\/p>\n

The miracles, the miracles, the miracles. We\u2019ve had so many this week, I can\u2019t even count them all. A ship was lost at sea, and I prophesied it was all right. But it looked like it was total disaster, but in spite of the fact that uh, there were some broken parts, they got home safely, just as the words spoken brought it about.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> They saw a light, they said, that uh, flashed twice and then disappeared, but they followed the direction of that light, and that\u2019s what led them back.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s indeed true. All<\/i> things are possible to them that believe. Now you\u2019re learning from people who are intellectuals like Dr. Mark Lane who\u2019s written Rush To Judgment <\/i>and Doctor Don Freed, Who Killed RFK<\/i>, Robert Kennedy, and Innocence,<\/i> a book on the frame-up of Rosenbergs. Now<\/i> you\u2019re beginning to see how much a frame-up all this has been. All<\/i> the lies. Truth<\/i> will come out in the end. You can press it down and beat it down, but finally truth does triumph.<\/p>\n

This is a community not only where we ridiculously don\u2019t eat rice. I can\u2019t see anything but bananas right now from my left out through the windows of the theater, and we have all kinds<\/i> of bananas. Not only is that stupid, but we have thousands of chickens, hundreds of pigs and the same of beef cattle. We\u2019re not producing quite as much milk with the beef cattle we want to yet, so we\u2019re going to mix<\/i> them a little bit more, and breed<\/i> them a little bit more. But you\u2019ll see\u2013 Brother [Richard] Parr will be back. He has seen this glorious example of unity as it was on the day of Pentecost when they brought their possessions and had all things common.<\/p>\n

We\u2019ve had remarkable healings like Sister [Rosa Lee] Peterson, who had been given up with cancer, and cancer was all<\/i> through her body and they gave her up to die and she now lives, made whole because she knew from whence<\/i> came her strength. She knew that her Redeemer<\/i> lived and stood on the latter day on this earth. We\u2019ve had the remarkable blessed<\/i> and wonderful things that have happened that uh, go beyond uh, human imagination to describe. Julius Evans and [Sandra Evans] his wife\u2019s child fell off the house and was a vegetable for life, they said, medically. I said, \u201cno.\u201d And in a moment, the child was restored. So we have all these beautiful healings, and I could just go on and on. Ava Inghram went up to uh, had an infection that she\u2019s had some problem with for years. She went up to the point where her brain should have been baked. I said, \u201cIt\u2013 It\u2019ll come down, she\u2019ll be normal.\u201d She had not the slightest bit of damage, though she had over a hundred and six degree temperature this week.<\/p>\n

I\u2013 I won\u2019t go back many weeks. If I went back many weeks, it would tell\u2013 I could give you a thousand<\/i> miracles, to say the least. Trees<\/i> falling on people, explosion in a garage. \u2018Cause people at first didn\u2019t learn the safety precautions that they\u2019re now following. We\u2019ve got really good safety committee and tremendous follow-through in that order. But Tommy Beikman was blown to pieces, his body just a shamble of bones and his eyes blinded and his body just looked like something that had been crushed by a steamroller. But I spoke the word and Tommy is every (unintelligible word) whole. Yes, there\u2019s the (draws out word) same<\/i> redeemer, and he lives and he does work miracles, the same<\/i> liberator, the same<\/i> great non-violent social revolutionary.<\/p>\n

You couldn\u2019t see the end of Jonestown. I look over here, I see one apartment building oh, what, uh, nearly half a mile. I can look further down and I can see buildings a mile<\/i> away. And I can look through over by our schools, past our library, and see buildings as far as a mile and a half<\/i> away. And then if I turn around in my chair, I see all<\/i> that remarkable medical facility, laboratory, x-ray and the warehouse, the tool and die shop, the machine shop, the furniture-making shop, the woodshop, uh, what can I not mention? The bakery, herbal kitchen, yes, the chemical lab where they test foods and test funguses that uh, we get on plants to see they don\u2019t spread<\/i>, and test disease. We have had such remarkable results. Like Mother [Marceline Jones], who somehow, the enemy had given her cancer. I also had been diagnosed with cancer, but I didn\u2019t see fit<\/i> to lay down my body. No man takes my life from<\/i> me, because it was written long ago by Jesus<\/i> that these things shall you do and greater<\/i>, because I go away, so obviously<\/i> if he said no one took his<\/i> life from him, I\u2019m not going to let anyone take my<\/i> life away from me<\/i>, and I\u2019m reporting to you the victory<\/i> that\u2019s in the name<\/i> of Christ socialism. It has never<\/i> failed us yet, and to the doctor\u2019s<\/i> amazement, but not to mine, I have no cancer.<\/p>\n

You\u2019d be surprised to see people. You should look at the pictures of some who were due for strokes. Over a hundred people have lost their blood pressure problem. An\u2013 nother two dozen have lost their sugar diabetes. Kay Nelson couldn\u2019t eat any sugar at all while having it in her urine and her blood. She eats anything she wants now, our fudge and our pies, and I\u2019m telling you, you never ate anything like the pastries that come out of this bakery.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s a remarkable<\/i> place to be able to look as far as your eye can see, and see peace and your land and to have tranquility and justice. To live in a country where people are not judged by race<\/i>, creed or color, but are judged on the basis of their commitment<\/i> to social justice, to egalitarianism, to socialism. Yes, it\u2019s a fantastic community, and you\u2019ll love it. You\u2019ve got everything you need. Our circuit television here brings the best of movies, and people who do extra things for the community get special books and trips to Georgetown and special extra things they want to have made for them. It\u2019s a remarkable community, and you have no doubt wondered, has it been worth it all? Not<\/i> only has it been worth it all, it\u2019s worth ten times what you paid. Everything we ever took, we put right to use here. They could never<\/i> make that accusation, could they? They tried everything about lying on all sorts and varieties, but they never could say Jim Jones took the people\u2019s money, and nobody can say it now, when they look out over these thousands of acres and sees all kinds of buildings\u2013 soap factories, brick factories, making\u2013 able to now nearly make a brick house a week. Garment factories and various other household industries, so we can make funds to help liberate you quicker.<\/p>\n

No, you know the truth. I told you long ago that, enjoy the good days from the press, because the press was the arm of the\u2013 it was the very arm<\/i> that smashes<\/i> the opponents of the ruling class. And we are in opposition<\/i> to the ruling class. We are the liberators. We never recommended violence but peace. Our way was to help people out of drugs and criminality and gangs, and we saved the US people tens of m\u2013 millions of dollars in taxpay\u2013 taxpayer dollars, but that doesn\u2019t matter, because there are elements in society that feed<\/i> on dope even if it has to drug\u2013 destroy the minds of our children, and elements in society that feed on our young women being prostitutes, and elements that feed upon our young, our seniors being mugged. Can you imagine a community that stretches two, three, four miles across that doesn\u2019t have any crime? Where a child\u2019s never spanked? I don\u2019t care what the liar [Debby Blakey] said. She was probably turned into a culprit by her old drug habits. Very easily done and the CIA played plenty of tricks when you go into the capital, and she stayed in the capital for about three months. But we\u2019re way out here, in the midst of paradise<\/i>, Shangri-La. You can\u2019t hardly get people to go to town. Several had to go to town tomorrow to sign some affidavits against these liars, (unintelligible words) these conspirators\u2013 conspiracies so we can take them to court, and it was like pulling teeth<\/i> to get these people to go on that boat. (Emphatic sentence) They just did not want to go whatsoever. So, I\u2019m looking forward to your working, en\u2013 enduring and doodling\u2013 doing like we do. We\u2019re doing extra things now, especially so that you can get here sooner and be with us, because this is a little bit of heaven. I never dreamed it could be so heavenly as it is, and I\u2019m sure I speak for the over a thousand that are here. And to my\u2013 my knowledge right now, I don\u2019t know anyone that\u2013 where there\u2019s a sick one amongst us. No one passing in the meeting tonight. We have a People\u2019s Rally each week where we discuss the business. We don\u2019t have to go through all the folderol of churchanity. Healing is automatic. I just send the word, and healing takes place, but I didn\u2019t see a one in the meeting tonight that was not smiling and beaming and in perfect health. So, you knew, and I knew in time, we\u2019d win. It\u2019d come out. Fascism had to try its best to destroy us, because we were a light and we\u2019re still<\/i> a city set on the hill which cannot be hid.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> It\u2019s no wonder after seeing this community that Dr. Donald Freed who is a very sensitive man and certainly one of the most articulate that we\u2019ve met, called our Dad a saint<\/i> and said that he wants to see sociologists and psychologists and anthropologists come here and study this community. And it\u2019s no wonder that Dr. Goodlett, who has long been our friend said, \u201cI have lived today in the future.\u201d And the same with Mark Lane, the prominent attorney and investigator of conspiracies, who said this community is beyond one\u2019s imagination, and you could go on and on with the descriptions given by our visitors, such as the head of the Guyana Livestock Corporation [Peter Fernandes], who said \u201cthis is the purest egalitarian community I\u2019ve ever seen.\u201d And he\u2019s traveled all over the world. And the same with an embassy, high embassy official, who said this is the\u2013 the purest<\/i> form of egalitarianism he had seen throughout the world. And it\u2019s just no wonder, once you\u2019ve seen it, and we can\u2019t wait for you to come. You don\u2019t know what you\u2019re missing. Pictures can\u2019t tell the story.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No way<\/i>, but I will tell you one thing. The liars and deceivers that have risen up to touch this movement, they<\/i> are the ones that will lose in the end. They can\u2019t possibly<\/i> tell such wild-haired schemes and lies without being shown up. People are here<\/i>, you see? They know<\/i>. Nobody is want\u2013 trying to get out of here. We have no fences. We\u2019ve got all kinds of walkways that go right to the road and to the free\u2013 rail\u2013 railway track. You can go down and catch any boat. Our boat\u2019s leaving in a little bit now. Our people go on the boat forty and fifty a week some time, take care of one matter or another.<\/p>\n

No, they\u2019re too ridiculous, and though Mr. [Tim] Stoen and some like that have tried. Truth<\/i> on our side. They\u2019re<\/i> the ones that have so much to lose because they\u2019re trying to maintain a false image. They\u2019re trying to live<\/i> something that they cannot be and be pure and be good. There\u2019s only one<\/i> way to save a world where there\u2019s two out of three babies going to bed hungry, and that\u2019s through socialism.<\/p>\n

And you remember now, be careful. Don\u2019t listen to those people that come along uh, with their different voices and say, \u201cOh, we\u2019re going to make changes.\u201d If you read your own Penthouse<\/i> magazine, not long ago, Playboy<\/i> too, you read where [Zbigniew] Brzezinski, the Chief Security Aide, the Chief Advisor to the president<\/i>, [Jimmy] Carter, is actually the ruling force of the United States. He represents the top of the Trilateral Commission. That multi-national conglomerate had picked both<\/i> presidential candidates. So you don\u2019t have a president that represents you. You don\u2019t have a government<\/i> that represents you. As [Thomas] Jefferson said, \u201cIf the government did not represent the people, it was the duty and the right<\/i>\u2013 not only the right but the duty<\/i> of the people to alter or abolish it.\u201d They said any government that lasted more than a score of years sh\u2013 should probably be overthrown. But we\u2019re non-violent and we\u2019re not recommending that. We\u2019re recommending to come out from amongst the unclean thing, because you<\/i> know they don\u2019t care. All around you, you see what\u2019s happening, you see the food crisises, the unemployment, the cutbacks like Proposition 13 and now they\u2019re getting ready to do a federal-level one.<\/p>\n

Don\u2019t<\/i> listen to these voices. The system will remain the same. As Dr. Goodlett once said, \u201cYou can change the faces and you can change names and call them Republican and Democrat, but it\u2019s two sides of the same coin, two complexions of the same old<\/i> capitalist erection.\u201d Remember the enemies of socialism are revisionism<\/i>, Trotskyism, uncalled-for violence, anarchy<\/i>, doing your own thing like some of you\u2019ve done and you\u2019re going to feel so guilty that you didn\u2019t put more of your money and time here because we\u2019ve had people cry when they reached this ground and kissed it because it\u2019s like a Mecca, it\u2019s a holy ground. They said, \u201cOh, if I\u2019d only saved more and not wasted so much.\u201d So I\u2019m sure<\/i> that you\u2019re not going to get involved with revision\u2013 revisionism and decide that there\u2019s anything better than so\u2013 socialism, pure sharing. It\u2019s the only answer to us<\/i> folk anyway. We don\u2019t have enemies because they don\u2019t agree with us. That\u2019s other people\u2019s right to live their style, and certainly you<\/i> know that social democracy \u2013 the voting process \u2013 is not going to bring the change. So why don\u2019t you get out from a\u2013 amongst the unclean thing and start getting your house in order, and don\u2019t look back like Lot\u2019s wife to Sodom and Gomorrah. Make every penny you can make while you can, cooperate with all your workers, coordinators, like Leona [Collier] and the other many good people, and listen to the words that Mother\u2019s spoken so wisely. She\u2019ll be coming back and forth, and who knows when you may be seeing me because this is a Universal Principle. Here I am, and there I am, and the world<\/i> cannot hinder. The world did not make me. The world did not create<\/i> me. The world did not shape<\/i> this socialist concept \u2013 the word made flesh \u2013 and the world<\/i> cannot take it away. Don\u2019t have any fears about rumors or suggestions that things are any way negative, just laugh. I told<\/i> you it would be so. I said they that live goodly in Christ\u2013 what\u2019s Christ mean? The anointed, the revolutionary Jesus, the revolutionary body. I said, they that live Godly in that\u2013 goodly in that revolutionary<\/i> body shall<\/i> suffer persecution. They\u2019ll say all<\/i> manner of things against you falsely, for the namesake. What is the namesake? Why, it\u2019s socialism<\/i>. The day of Pentecost, that\u2019s all they built. They sold their possessions and had all things common. That\u2019s socialism<\/i>. That\u2019s what the church was about. Jesus Christ established his church<\/i> upon that foundation. The first thing<\/i> after they\u2019re in there from a union and baptism with fire, was they went out and sold their possessions, brought them to the apostle\u2019s feet and shared and had all things common. We<\/i> know why we\u2019re being persecuted. Let<\/i> them bay<\/i> at the moon, the little dogs bay at the moon. They cannot stop<\/i> this fire. It\u2019s alive here, and we mean no harm to anyone. We\u2019re not going to be involved in any violent activity. (Ministerial cadence) We are peace-loving people. But you cannot<\/i> put out the light of socialism. It sprung up everywhere and every day you look at it, children, it\u2019s getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And no matter how<\/i> many corrupt alliances are made, or how many kind of patchworks are made in the systems that don\u2019t believe in sharing, s\u2013 it will<\/i> come tumbling down, because the truth<\/i> is that God<\/i> is love and love is socialism, and it shall<\/i> prevail. That cannot be denied. I wanted to tell you at this hour of five o\u2019clock in the morning, I am in good<\/i> health. This leaves me in the best<\/i> of mind and spirit. The same<\/i> power is in this name. So call<\/i> on it and run<\/i> into that power and follow what I told<\/i> you to do, to go forth and shed your\u2013 shed that old system. Shake the dust from your feet and march<\/i> forward, and don\u2019t<\/i> look backward and run<\/i> into the ark of safety while you have time, because I know who<\/i> is that shelter in the time of storm, and you know also.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> From Dad and all of us here in the beautiful community he\u2019s built for us, hurry home, family. You don\u2019t know what you\u2019re missing. You just don\u2019t know. Our love to all of you.<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/b><\/p>\n

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