{"id":27445,"date":"2013-06-16T00:20:14","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:20:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27445"},"modified":"2024-07-17T14:09:05","modified_gmt":"2024-07-17T21:09:05","slug":"q401","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27445","title":{"rendered":"Q401 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

(Note<\/strong>: This tape was transcribed by Katherine Hill. She also prepared the summary. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/i><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (recording begins mid-sentence)\u2013 neighbor Venezuela, V-E-N-E-Z-U-E-L-A, has to say about Nicaragua, N-I-C-A-R-A-G-U-A? (Pause) to Marxist-Leninist, it would have encouraging<\/em> aspects. (Pause) People who live believe in liberation\u2013 (Pause) Until we can find some change\u2013 We\u2019ve got to work out the blackboard (unintelligible word) tonight between the school and the uh, (Pause) librarians so we can have access, equal access. (Pause) So if you thinking about ways of res\u2013 of resolving that. (Pause) So we can go on, work at your level.<\/p>\n

Question number 2. You can work on as many\u2013 You should\u2019ve had that one done by now, but we\u2019re not gonna take a great deal of time. Name some of the major fascist dictatorships. Fascists. It\u2019s the last stage of capitalism, when the state takes over, with the repressive force of violence and coercion, the executive becomes a dictator, under martial law and estab\u2013 it\u2013 it usually establishes concentration camps, as would be provided under martial law emergency. The President of the United States [Jimmy Carter] is now threatening against certain element of striking people, the American railway industry. He threatened it against the mining industry. (Pause) That\u2019s how fascism begins. The Congress no longer has any real effect or a token effect. The press is controlled<\/em>. Say, well, that\u2019s already happening in USA. Yes, so we call that de facto<\/em> fascism. USA has\u2013 has fascism uh, de\u2013 in fact, it\u2019s there<\/em>. But fascism de jure<\/em> is where it\u2019s obviously called<\/em> such. They make no pretense,<\/em> so there\u2019s no democracy, no voting, or if it is, then it\u2019s sham voting, and there\u2019s no two-party system and the military takes over and takes away the black people and the socialists and puts them in concentration camps or gas ovens<\/a>.<\/p>\n

So, name some of the major fascist dictatorships in the world today. The more you can name, the better. Fascist: F-A-S-C-I-S-T. Monopoly capitalism in United States today is in a de facto<\/em> stage of fascism. There is fascism in many respects, because if you tend to go against<\/em> the system, the press and the elements of government will ally<\/em> themselves \u2013 will organize \u2013 to destroy<\/em> you. They will find all sorts of means of uh, getting at you. And the foreign policy of the United States\u2019 openly fascist. Why? Because of the places it supports<\/em>. But if I give you the name of those countries, then I\u2019d be helping you pass this test.<\/p>\n

Fascism. The United States openly<\/em> supports fascist governments. No other. The greatest amount of support given by United States government is to openly fascist states, racist states, states that make no<\/em> bones about the fact that people live in concentration camps or that they\u2019re napalming their populations and uh, already<\/em> you should\u2019ve known one<\/em> fascist state, you should have no trouble with\u2013 We already ought\u2019ve known one<\/em> fascist state very easily<\/em> tonight. Just within the last few minutes I named one fascist state. So you\u2019re looking around like you don\u2019t know. It\u2019s time we knew fascism. (Ice clinks in a glass ) Teresa [King] has some ideas, and I\u2019d like all of these ideas compiled. The secretaries have \u2019em, I\u2019ve been working all day on this and reviewing on films. I was up all night, of course, with our Soviet friends. But we can review this so we can structure our time, get the best benefit of a visual picture (Pause) of the news, but I\u2019ve got to have some help. Yes, comrade?<\/p>\n

Female in crowd:<\/strong> (too faint to hear)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Female in crowd: <\/strong>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, you always get help. Soon as they get through. You can always get help, those that are still having difficulty reading and writing. But we want you to be sure and be in Professor uh, [Edith] Roller\u2019s class because they would like for all<\/em> of our people to be able at least to write and read something when we make our move<\/em>. They would like<\/em> for us to speak Russian<\/em> if we make that move, which we\u2019re gonna talk about that move in a little bit, in a little while. (Stumbles over words) Even if you\u2019re not prepared<\/em> to make that move today, you better uh, have<\/em> uh, uh, preparation for that move because you never know what may take place<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You certainly better be prepared<\/em>, not sittin\u2019 on our bony\u2013 People say, there\u2019s too many meetings. I\u2019m rather tired<\/em> of hearing about too many meetings<\/em>, in that we\u2019ve got uh, Democratic Peoples Republic\u2013 which I could\u2019ve shown you tonight but I\u2019ll probably show you tomorrow in the language session. And all will be required to attend. Say, \u201cI don\u2019t like these meetings.\u201d Neither do I. But we\u2019ve got<\/em> to get ourself in readiness now to meet certain elementary requirements. In the Democratic People\u2019s Republic of North Korea, people work automatically<\/em> 16 hours a day. And you will see their faces shining and beaming and healthy. I know that some of you gruntle [grumble] and\u2013 disgruntle and cry over that, but if you get in the Soviet Union, you don\u2019t have that. You have a seven-ho\u2013 hour work day. But in order to get<\/em> to the Soviet Union, we\u2019ve<\/em> got to produce this to the maximum<\/em>. That means we got to make this a model<\/em>. Everything\u2019s got to be up to par. It\u2019s going to take more work than we\u2019re now doing. You understand?<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because they want a model of pure<\/em> communism. Do you understand what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They said we are the purest communist model that exists. No monetary system. It does not exist any place in the world. We don\u2019t use money between us. They want that to continue<\/em>. But they also want productivity<\/em> to continue, good health and hygiene, good education. So that means a constant input of correction. We already won this man [Feodor Timofeyev], this ambassador, the head of the embassy\u2013 He\u2019s virtually the head of the emba\u2013 embassy, acting ambassador to the Guyana Consular, chief of the Soviet press section of South America<\/em>, for that matter. We already have his<\/em> approval. (Pause) And we have other<\/em> invitations, by the way. We\u2013 You say, \u201cWell, I don\u2019t\u2013 I\u2019m not interested in going anyplace.\u201d You don\u2019t know what<\/em> you\u2019re interested in. You better always have friends. There\u2019s an old proverb says, \u201cIt doth well that you make friends of men.\u201d Everywhere. A\u2013 Men\u2013 Wherever you can find \u2019em. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They said, unrighteous man. Well, you better\u2013 said, make friends of \u2019em, wherever. People who may not necessarily the same nationality or exactly the same persuasion, you better be uh, sure you got some alternatives. And that\u2019s what I\u2019m trying to build up for you, and when I get this constant shit, people complaining, say \u201cI\u2013 I\u2013 why\u2019d I have to watch Harlan County<\/em> twice?\u201d Well, I\u2019ll tell you, fool, why you have to watch Harlan County<\/em> twice: because the first<\/em> time around, you didn\u2019t understand it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (takes a drink) (aside) Is this going out over? I hope. We ought to\u2013 (back to mike) All right, now, that\u2019s uh, question number 2. (Pause) What is the official national figure for unemployment among blacks? And you have the wrong answer here, teachers, so if you have a wrong answer, the uh\u2013 the people<\/em> must have a wo\u2013 a wrong answer, too. Eight percent is white. So, the official<\/em> national figure for unemployment amongst blacks is uh, you put two and two together. You\u2019ve heard me say it 10,000 times. I\u2019ve said it was either (Pause) quadruple, something, treble, or something, that of the white community. You can easily figure out<\/em> what black\u2013 what the\u2013 what the black unemployment is, I just told you the white<\/em> unemployment. I always told you how much higher it was than the Indian<\/em> and the white communy\u2013 community, right? If you listen. If you listen. How many listened? How many remember? If you don\u2019t, you don\u2019t\u2013 you ought to remember, take a look at your skin<\/em> in the morning and see who you are.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Said amongst the Indians, it was higher than that of blacks. They have the highest rate of unemployment. And I said it was blank-blank-uh, blank many times higher than white<\/em> unemployment. Amongst the blacks, it is so many times higher than whites. Now, if you can\u2019t answer it now, ain\u2019t much uh, hope for\u2013 for you. All you have to do is add. Or multiply. (Takes a drink) You understand what I said? Just add or multiply. I\u2019ve said how many ti\u2013 how much money does a black person make in proportion to a white person, how many (Stumbles over words) have heard me say this? I\u2019ve either said\u2013 I\u2019ve either said three-quarters uh, one-quarter, one-half, one-third, one-sixth, one-eighth<\/em>. And I\u2019ve said, with the Indian the same thing\u2013 Amer\u2013 American Native. It\u2019s either three-quarters, one-third, one-half, one-eighth, or one-sixth<\/em>. Very simple, very simple answer to both of them. It\u2019s not in some s\u2013 uh, complex fraction either, like one-sixth or one-tenth or one\u2013 I mean uh, one-sixth or one-twelfth or one-eighteenth. It\u2019s very simple. (Takes drink) I\u2019d like for you to get certain elementary things down. Now, if you listened last night, all of you\u2019d been in good shape.<\/p>\n

Describe the situation in Chile<\/em> today. Say, why should you understand? If you were here<\/em> last night, you heard these same questions answered. They were answered right in front of your ears. (Pause) Did you\u2013 You\u2013 Were you here last night?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, you shoulda<\/em> been. Everybody was supposed to be. Our honorable Soviet Embassy guest, Ambassador, acting Ambassador, Consular, Chief Consular, and chief of the Amer\u2013 the press section of the USSR South America was speaking<\/em> to us. We should give honor to whom honor is due, and he certainly has been most<\/em> kind. He gave us the absolute assurance that a move against us would be a move against the Soviet Union. That\u2019s the thing that I was talking about last night. I didn\u2019t want to embarrass him with it. That\u2019s quite a\u2013 that\u2019s quite a measure of freedom<\/em>. If there was ever a move against the dictatorship to ca\u2013 take over here\u2013 a U.S. invasion, they set up special Morse codes to get it in contact with us so we can know what to do to get to freedom<\/em>, and where to meet people, so we can get<\/em> to freedom. That\u2013 that\u2019s very rewarding<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That isn\u2019t to say that that\u2019s the only way we\u2013 we\u2019ll ever be visiting the Soviet Union. The band better get your<\/em> act, because there\u2019s a possibility of twenty\u2013 twenty people will be going to the Soviet Union free<\/em> before the end of this year<\/em>, in musical cultural exchange. But it will not<\/em> be people who won\u2019t<\/em> cut their hair. Soviet Union have a strict policy. They believe that certain things are important to give up for the sake of other things. And they\u2019re very peculiar about long hair, which I don\u2019t think is very peculiar<\/em> because there ha\u2013 they had quite a difficulty among so-called communal lifestyle hippies<\/em> in Europe passing drugs<\/em>, and they let them in the Soviet Union, and they did the same thing<\/em>. Now then, if\u2013 if com\u2013 if drug passage has been connected with long hair, then we ought to shorten<\/em> our hair.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If drug passage have been connected with those who have long<\/em> hair and long<\/em> beards, we should stop it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Now, you get the message?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Affirmations)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now, that\u2019s exactly what the prime minister [Forbes Burnham, but may be referring to Timofeyev] said. I said, I know you people, but he said, but it would be good<\/em> if you could overcome that. We have been covered well<\/em> in the Soviet press and they never referred to it, but in the Yugoslav<\/em> press, we\u2019re called a hippie commune. Yes. Because they saw \u2013 when someone came in here, a delegation \u2013 long hair<\/em>. (Pause) That\u2019s what you bring down on yourself. And I think\u2013 I\u2019ve told\u2013 I told you for years that certain things were not worth the goddamn effort.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Say, \u201cI don\u2019t care what the Yugoslavs think.\u201d Well, you better<\/em> care because they\u2019ve offered us certain discounts on medications<\/em>, and they been very, very assisting and offered us to be able to purchase things at wholesale rates<\/em>. Also, Poland<\/em> referred to us as a pro-Soviet but hippie<\/em> commune. So I think it\u2019s time now that we got our hair cut.<\/em><\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right! (applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Please<\/em> don\u2019t make me have to say more about it. I know you\u2013 who you are. But, you see, this<\/em> country\u2019s also<\/em> having lots of trouble with it. That\u2019s where a lot of the reports go out. We\u2019ve been covered all over the world, DPRK, Democratic People\u2019s Republic of North Korea, but the Guyanese press was aver\u2013 asked to cover\u2013 They said, they\u2019re socialists. Very surely, they\u2019re socialists. But they also have hippie cos\u2013 costume\u2013 hippie customs in their dress, in their manner. So we end up with that reference in the DPRK. Now, I\u2013 I\u2013 if I didn\u2019t love<\/em> you very much, I\u2019d be highly upset<\/em> by that. Beca\u2013 Why does the Guyanese government have concern about long hair? Because just five miles through here, fe\u2013 three years ago, a group of white and black American people were allowed<\/em> to settle with long<\/em> hair and they got into the dope<\/em> business.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And it took the Guyanese government just 24 hours to pick them up by plane and load their ass off and drop them in Trinidad. (Pause) Now I don\u2019t think you should bring that kind of stuff down on us, gentlemen.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019m telling you right strict, gentlemen, I don\u2019t think you should bring that kind of shit down on us, when you don\u2019t need to bring that shit down on us.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Why do we want to look like fuckers who\u2019ve given Guyana trouble? And that was a terrible<\/em> load, and we ought to try to do everything<\/em> we can not to look like it. Say, \u201cWell, that\u2019s not fair.\u201d Well, in Yugoslavia, they let a group of people in with long hair, and they did the same thing. Poland<\/em> had a group with long hair. They did the same thing. All the long-hair people of the so-called free style, anarchist, socialist, communal life, utopianists have been passing drugs<\/em> in Europe. (Pause) Now to me, it\u2019s not much to give up<\/em>, friends, that we make our hair moderate size. And so I\u2019m not\u2013 I\u2019m not gonna ask<\/em> you now.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019m demanding<\/em> it!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yeah! (sustained applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Tape edit) \u2013the Soviet Union is not important to get to. It\u2019d be goddamn important to get to if someone\u2013 if the United States decides to\u2013 they\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019re not letting Nicaragua<\/em> go. So I can\u2019t go any further than that. That isn\u2019t answering the question, though. Nicaragua\u2019s every<\/em> city has been leveled. To save the dictatorship of Nicaragua, the\u2013 [Anastasio] Somoza, (emphatic) every city has gone down, by U.S. bombs and planes, provided by our tax dollars. Now, by God, it may be someday that they\u2019ll decide they don\u2019t want a socialist<\/em> country here<\/em>. We\u2019ll be given abs\u2013 absolute assurance \u2013 not just maybe \u2013 but absolute<\/em> assurance that if a move<\/em> is made against us, it\u2019ll be a move<\/em> against the Soviet government. Now, nobody gonna make a move against the Soviet government. But it is only<\/em> fair to meet their request.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And that was one of the requests they asked: try to conform your dress a little more to the Soviet standard. All right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So we\u2019ll conform our dress a little bit more to the Soviet standard, right?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You gentlemen will lose nothing<\/em> by the fact that you cut off your hair. Samson\u2019s\u2013 uh, Samson was still able to fuck after he had his hair cut.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Mmm-hmm [Yes]. And that shit about pushing the pillars apart has nothing to do with how long your hair is. You\u2019ll be able to pick up just as many lugs\u2013 uh, logs. In fact, you\u2019ll be able to do more, and fuck<\/em> more, if you want to, those of you who may\u2013 that have long hair, and some of the best people in the world<\/em> in this community. But actually, you put a lot of energy<\/em> into that hair. Say\u2013 Energy has to go into that hair to maintain it. That\u2019s life, uh, produ\u2013 you have to maintain that, but your body\u2013 and then you cut it off, you can put\u2013 some of your energy\u2019ll go elsewhere, and we could use<\/em> it from some of you. So I got\u2013 I\u2019m not making no<\/em> indictments on people with long hair here, because some of the best<\/em> people here have long hair. You understand that?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (scattered) Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But last night \u2013 and beards \u2013 but last night the Soviet Union says it\u2019s causing us some trouble<\/em>. I don\u2019t want no fuckin\u2019 trouble for our babies<\/em>!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right! (applause) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Somebody came to me and said, Father, you said something about this just the other day, and I\u2013 I\u2013 I don\u2019t have a razor blade. Now let me tell you, don\u2019t give me that shit. I have been shaving with the same<\/em> razor for over a year by scraping<\/em> it on a mirror, and I think Reb [James Edwards] knows even a better way. Several people here know several different ways, they\u2019ll tell you how to save your blade and manage to shave your face.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So let\u2019s all accommodate that. I ha\u2013 It\u2019s not my idea. (unintelligible phrase) you can ask all those who were in the meeting, that\u2019s what they told us. And we\u2019ve been up all<\/em> night with the Soviets. So I don\u2019t think we want to look like the bunch they picked up five miles away from here and had to dump<\/em> out of here because they were passing dope instead of helping Guyana. And then Guyanese who even like us, don\u2019t know us any different, they don\u2019t know what the hell we are, all they can see is long hair, beards, and uh, various dress styles that are different that theirs. So let\u2019s\u2013 uh, let\u2019s avoid<\/em> those kinds of things. And I\u2019m telling you what they said. (Pause) I ain\u2019t gone lie to you. They didn\u2019t say it would keep us from<\/em> the Soviet Union, but it said it would be more<\/em> difficult because we have to pass through several scrutinizing eyes. If\u2013 We\u2013 we would be the first<\/em> community ever accepted from America in the Soviet Union. And he thinks that there\u2019s no question it can be done, but that we must make our<\/em> efforts also. He even talking about building buildings for\u2013 uh, even in the Black Sea, where they have oranges and tangerines, and it\u2019s very warm kind of season\u2013 he said uh, you people wouldn\u2019t be able to just jump right in there. We<\/em> know that, some of your seniors. So we\u2013 we would love you enough and care enough about a black and interracial model communist community that we would have buildings set up<\/em>. Heat would be provided, it\u2019d already be ready. So there\u2019d no question for seniors, \u2019cause the temperature would be a little slight\u2013 slightly uh, cooler than here. Depends upon what time of the year, you know. Well, don\u2019t get nervous, any place where there\u2019re oranges and tangerines there\u2019s\u2013 that isn\u2019t uh, much different than here. But they have a little snow, like Redwood Valley, that sometimes just barely melts<\/em>, in certain places, even there<\/em>. The land in certain places is just exactly almost like Guyana, but we can\u2019t ask them for their resorts<\/em> of the Soviet Union, right?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All we can ask is for free<\/em> medicine. That\u2019s what all the Soviet citizens are guaranteed. Free<\/em> surgeons. Free<\/em> dentists. Free<\/em> glasses. Free<\/em> eye doctors. Free<\/em> education. Mm-hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And almost<\/em>, now, free housing. Free telephones. So, I don\u2019t think we ought to quarrel over some the things give \u2019em some trouble. But the house\u2019ll be open for discussion because otherwise, and it\u2019s not open for discussion, I expect by tomorrow night to see everybody\u2019s hair cut<\/em> here, and every beard gone.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Calls and applause)<\/p>\n

\u00a0Jones:<\/strong> (tape edit) \u2013in need their hair cut, Nancy Sines is doing some of it now. We will allow it to go on, even during this meeting. Because I\u2013 I want by the time the Soviet delegation\u2013 which could be in a matter of days, or a few weeks\u2013 it\u2019s coming. And we\u2013 if the group that goes outta<\/em> here has to go before the end of this year\u2013 Twenty. Now I\u2019m gonna tell you very frankly, from the\u2013 my heart to yours, that some<\/em> of these musicians, you don\u2019t know applesauce<\/em> about Marxist-Leninism. And I better hear some Marxist-Leninist talk, or you\u2019re not going.<\/em><\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because he liked the four black mothers that sang spirituals just as well as he liked some of the individual talent that sang some of the modern songs. He was impressed by both. He asked to hear the four\u2013 you know, it\u2019s the four\u2013 (unintelligible word) elderly sisters were asked to sing again. They liked<\/em> Moms Mabley [likely Bertha Cook]. They liked<\/em> the humor. They\u2019re not purists. They\u2019re not some kind of prudes. They liked Moms Mabley\u2019s jokes. But I\u2019m telling you, goddamn it, ever\u2013 you<\/em> know, I<\/em> don\u2019t have to tell you what\u2019s been associated with long hair.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t need to tell<\/em> you what\u2019s associated with it. We saw it in Redwood Valley, the damn long hair that came along and tried to kill<\/em> us and our animals, right in front of our damn church, and they had their long hair, and it didn\u2019t mean a goddamn thing. They were still fascists under their long hair.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t care if you like it or not. Shove it up your ass. I don\u2019t care if you like it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (applause, laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So I\u2019m not say (unintelligible phrase), would you like to uh, then enjoy yourself here<\/em>, for a while, \u2018cause you gone stay here till we get ourselves together and make our total exodus to freedom from the couple\u2013 three-hundred more there in the States that want to do so. Then you can stay here if they\u2019ll let you, or you can go wherever in the hell you want to. You can go back to New York, or San Francisco.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>(Stirs, delayed applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I might remind<\/em> you that they made fifteen major arrests<\/em> yesterday of black leadership<\/em> in San Francisco \u2013 you better take that into consideration \u2013 and they didn\u2019t have long hair. Power figures in the community. I remind you of the facts<\/em>, but you\u2013 you\u2013 it\u2019s up to you. You\u2013 I\u2019ve given you enough facts, you do what you want to with them. I\u2019m tired of arguing with all of you people. (tone imitates a female) \u201cI want to go back and see my cousin Mary.\u201d I want you to go back and die<\/em> with your fuckin\u2019 cousin Mary.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Cheers, sustained applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s what I mean. I mean it from the depths of my soul. I\u2019m sick a hearin\u2019 it. I\u2019m sick a hearin\u2019 it. I got assurances from them\u2013 that we have some of our people, we have relatives, we have loved ones, that want to be where we are\u2013 I got those kind of assurances, too. But I\u2019m\u2013 I don\u2019t give a goddamn<\/em> about your cousin Mary.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If your cousin Mary is a communist and wants to get her ass over here in the meantime, she\u2019ll go where we<\/em> go.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. (applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And it\u2019s likely that, as time goes on, there\u2019d be a chance that they could go directly from there [the USA] to there [the USSR], but don\u2019t wait too long, \u2019cause he leaned over to me, and he said that\u2013 \u201cWho\u2019s that young woman singing that \u20181981\u2019?\u201d He said, \u201cIs that the young woman you were talkin\u2019 about that they threw acid on?\u201d I said yes [Deanna Wilkerson]. He said, \u201cI\u2019ll bet that\u2019s right.\u201d He said, \u201cI\u2019ll bet it\u2019s 1981.\u201d I said, be 198\u2013 He said, \u201cI\u2019ll bet by 1981, Comrade Jim Jones\u201d \u2013 he calls me Comrade Jim Jones \u2013 he says, \u201cI\u2013 I\u2019ll bet there\u2019ll be no uh, people\u2013 people won\u2019t be able to pass freely out of USA or in USA by 1981.\u201d Said, they\u2019re very\u2013 he said, \u201cI like that song. It\u2019s a sad song, but I like that song.\u201d It\u2019s very true. When they say \u201cno\u201d to your kind. (calls out) Ah, that ain\u2019t going to happen to me! (moderates) What you talkin\u2019 about, it ain\u2019t gonna happen to you, fool nigger? You\u2019re just like me. Fool nigger, you\u2019re a poor<\/em> nigger.<\/a> Paul Robeson had doctorate degrees and was the best actor in the entire world, the greatest singer in the entire world, and they took his passport and told him that he couldn\u2019t go anywhere<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Don\u2019t you wait too long, honey. You\u2019re not Paul Robeson. When he came home out of concern for his sister, the\u2013 the stress of living in United States was so much that the last year of Paul Robeson, he went totally mad. His mind snapped, after leaving Russia. He\u2013 That man up here tryin\u2019 to defend\u2013 he felt he needed to defend because somebody asked him a question. A lot of people have been beautiful, but some people were dumb asses. \u201cHow many black people you got in the United States? In Russia? I don\u2019t see no black people in the films.\u201d I wonder. Ah, people. I\u2019ll be\u2013 I\u2019m talking about idiots out here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Response)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Say, why don\u2019t we see more black faces? (Calls out) How in the name of hell are you gonna see black faces in a country that did not engage in buying black slaves<\/em>?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now you tell me how in the fuck you\u2019re gonna find a lot of black faces<\/em>. Say, there\u2019re plenty. But the first place you looked in the goddamn film, you\u2019d see<\/em> it. [Alexander] Pushkin, the greatest writer of the Soviet Union, was black<\/em>. [Transcriber\u2019s note: Pushkin had a great-grandfather who was black.]<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know what the fuck is the matter<\/em> with some of you people, that you don\u2019t listen<\/em>. But he stops, he talks, and you ask questions, he\u2019s very friendly man, he took it. But I wish you\u2019d keep your goddamn mouth to yourself, and learn to shut your damn mouth, \u2019cause we\u2019re gonna watch for you next time, with a shotgun<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs, delayed applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Fill it with pepper so it\u2019ll burn your ass and maybe shut your mouth<\/em> a little while.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>That\u2019s outrageous<\/em> to make that man get up here and talk about race, when the second<\/em> major cardinal point in the constitution, anyone who discriminates against a person based on race<\/em> or religion is guilty of a crime punishable by an offense of one to five years. That\u2019s\u2013 It\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s uh, it\u2019s disgraceful<\/em> that you\u2019d ask him a thing like that. They got one of the best racist\u2013 racial policies in the world<\/em>. Got blacks all over<\/em> the Soviet Union. What the hell do you think he\u2019s here offering us? How many of us are black? The last time I looked<\/em>, nine out of ten<\/em> of us are black.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(Cough) Indian Chief, he said, how many Indians we got. He say, oh, I got\u2013 I got so many Indians, I don\u2019t know. He said that\u2019s wonderful. He talked like a chief. He was thrilled about that. But he\u2013 he\u2013 he\u2013 there was no question about race. He didn\u2019t ask us how many blacks, how many whites, how many Indians. He didn\u2019t give a shit. He wanted an interracial<\/em>\u2013 But he said the problem we get is that black people want to come through, like [Lee Harvey] Oswald, uh, the white<\/em> man, they want to marry some Soviet<\/em> woman, and we don\u2019t<\/em> know their goddamn communist views. All they\u2019re interested in is sex<\/em>, and we take them in, and we get a capitalist<\/em> married to one of our women. Said, we want to get a group of communists<\/em> into the Soviet U\u2013 the Soviet Union, and we want to be sure you\u2019re teaching communism from the uh, various\u2013 baby up to the adult stage, and thar\u2013 that was obvious. That\u2019s obvious, we\u2019re teaching it from the baby up to the adult stage. And we got to keep<\/em> doing it.<\/p>\n

Say, \u201cI don\u2019t like the schedule.\u201d We got to make it more<\/em>. \u2019Cause he wants us all<\/em> to know the Soviet constitution. I\u2019ll be taping<\/em> it in a while, and you must listen<\/em> to it \u2013 it\u2019s not that long \u2013 so you can know<\/em> it. There\u2019s certain factors we need to know<\/em>, that they\u2019d like for us to know, coming in. And they\u2019ll be giving us\u2013 they recognized the mistake, they didn\u2019t give us the English portion of the uh, test\u2013 I mean the English portion of the uh\u2013 they got a movie on how to study Russian. (Stumbles over words) We got the Russian<\/em>, but we didn\u2019t get the English. And I said, well, we\u2019d not heard<\/em> the language. And he\u2013 that was fine, that took care of that. Fortunately, no fool uh, made me look un\u2013 unknowledgeable there.<\/p>\n

Long. It\u2019s this long. It\u2019s a little book\u2013 booklet, it\u2019s very (unintelligible word) print, but we don\u2019t have that many. We want to have more, and so I\u2019ll be reading it off in tapes, so\u2013 or have someone can read it off in tapes, so you can study it. See\u2013 see, this is what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about: the essentials of certain things. You don\u2019t go into a country and not know anything about it. Said, uh, takes five years<\/em> to be a citizen. He say, no, not for you people, it wouldn\u2019t take. He said, it could be a matter of nine months. Said, then\u2013 well, said, well, some of us\u2019d like to be able to be in a position, if worse\u2013 best came to best, that we could uh, help the American revolution, but we don\u2019t like having any of these US consuls coming in, tromping in \u2013 like Brother [Marshall] Farris \u2013 been pulled out for the third or fourth time now, to ask by his simple-minded damn relatives. Said, we\u2019re gettin\u2019 tired<\/em> of it. He said, no, no, not in the Soviet Union. He said, they will see your representative in Moscow<\/em>. They will say\u2013 We will tell them, yes, they\u2019re alive, and they will never come near your community.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(tape edit) He said that doesn\u2019t work that way there. Says it doesn\u2019t work that way. Say, while our Social Security checks\u2013 they have to assure that people be alive. He said, we<\/em> will assure them that you\u2019re alive. The same laws that they do to us in\u2013 in USA. They require that we do certain things, in certain ways, and we require they<\/em> do certain things in certain ways. And he said there\u2019s certain places US embassy cannot go. And where you\u2019re<\/em> probably going to be settling, he said, they won\u2019t be allowed to go.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Delayed applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Said we\u2019d lose our checks\u2013 said we\u2019d lose our checks\u2013 He said in the first place, I want to tell you, Comrade Jim Jones, we\u2019re not interested<\/em> in the money of Peoples Temple. He said the Soviet Union\u2019s a rich nation. We\u2019re interested in the productivity<\/em>, the work. That\u2019s why, he said, put as much into this community and make it go, make it flower, make it grow, so we can leave it as an ideal. I\u2019ll tell you, how little interest it was. I said, we have the government on the run in the USA. He said, don\u2019t worry about the USA government, he said, keep \u2019em off your back, I\u2019m not (Stumbles over words) I\u2019m not a US lawyer. He\u2019s a prominent international lawyer. He said, I recommend, don\u2019t get in any suit<\/em> with the United States government, because they\u2019ll only put more force<\/em> down. Said, use a little pressure, a little threats of suits. But, he said, Mark Lane may know more about it than me. I said, well, we wanted to have 40 million for the USSR. (unintelligible word) said, Comrade Jim Jones, we don\u2019t need your 40 million dollars, we are rich people. All we want is you communists<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (delayed applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (tape edit) Then, if our people were cut off\u2013 he said, I don\u2019t care\u2013 Don\u2019t make no difference if it\u2019s cut off, he said\u2013 cut off checks. He said, what if we cut off the checks. He said, we have free hospitals, we have free education, we have free houses. So what if they cut off your checks? They can\u2013 They can take their checks and do whatever you\u2013 what is it you say, you say, Comrade Jim Jones, why pay you\u2013 why pass on.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>(laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We\u2019ve already made him a s\u2013a sort of second citizen of Jonestown. And Moms Mabley started it by all her cussin\u2019 on that joke night. First, he (unintelligible word), he hadn\u2019t (laughs)\u2013 he hadn\u2019t heard this before, he said, is this\u2013 is this a senior? I said, yeah. She\u2019s up there in years, a very straight, organist teacher. He says, this is funny. I said, can\u2013 could she not make jokes like this? He said yes, but some of our people have not heard\u2013 heard such jokes. (laughs) He said he liked her jokes. He just chuckled\u2013 (unintelligible under breath) the fat fellow\u2013 he just chuckled when she came up\u2013 no matter what she came up with, he\u2013 he\u2013 he enjoyed it very much. All right, we\u2019ll give you uh\u2013 and I\u2019ll try to get to the conclusion of this test. (Pause)<\/p>\n

What did the Soviet Union uh, recently achieve in space<\/em>? This was this morning, honey. I told you. I been up all night. I told you. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Then, the next question, \u2019cause I\u2019m getting close to the end: What did the Chinese defense minister [Xu Xiangqian] have to say about war<\/em> today? (Pause) It\u2019s a little different, a little different than he usually says it. Two words would take care of it. You know how the Chinese feel, if you listen<\/em> about war, nuclear war, he said, it can be, uh, but it will be blank-blank-something. Can be blank. \u201cP.\u201d And uh, it can be blank \u201cP.\u201d Begins with a \u201cP.\u201d But it will be \u201cI\u201d blank. Word beginning with \u201cI.\u201d (Pause) What did the Chinese defense minister have to say about nuclear war<\/em> today? Okay. We\u2019re moving on. Give you the other questions so you can work on them. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit) \u2013anniversary is China celebrating today? (Pause) And what did the USSR do<\/em> about the anniversary? What\u2019d the Soviet Union do<\/em> about that anniversary? Soviet Union are a peace<\/em>-loving people. They do more than I\u2019d do. But they don\u2019t want to see anybody die in nuclear war, if they can avoid it. So the Soviet Union did something about it. Said, I\u2019m not gonna do\u2013 I ain\u2019t gonna cut my hair. Well, the Soviet Union went further than cuttin\u2019 their hair today. Say, I don\u2019t cut my hair, I don\u2019t give up my independence. The Soviet Union did something that amounted to eating shit<\/em>. But they showed their\u2013 they showed their tremendous<\/em> compassion, their willingness for coexistence. I made that plain. I made that answer simple. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Woman in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s number 8. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Woman in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Didn\u2019t get it clear, honey? Who said that? Somebody said they didn\u2019t get it clear. Well, what I think I said was\u2013 \u2018cause there something else not written. What day are the Chinese people celebrating today? Right? And what does the Soviet Union, USSR, (pronounces \u201cUSSR\u201d in Russian), what did it say\u2013 what did it say to China about<\/em> it? What did it do to China about<\/em> that day today? Did they throw mud at them? What\u2019d they do<\/em> today? I told you. I\u2013 You listen to my goddamn news. The news is only one-half hour long today. I\u2019m trying to shorten<\/em> it and concise<\/em> it and make it to the point<\/em>. And we played<\/em> it just before uh, meeting, that\u2019s why you\u2019re going to have to make a purpose of seeing it in here. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible word) now, that was 8?<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All right, let\u2019s see what we can do about that. Let\u2019s be easy on people. Give them another of the thing that we said. (tape edit) \u2013ism [Fascism] was a response to something that had happened in the world that showed the workers of the world that power<\/em> could be wrested from the ruling class, the bourgeoisie. What<\/em> event was this? Explain. Anybody shoulda been listening to our speaker last night, and me, and a couple or three children. Anybody knows the greatest event. It was the birth of Jesus.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (scattered laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If that don\u2019t give you some hint, you\u2013 you\u2019re not listenin\u2019. Yes. Anybody ought to got that, right there. I gave you a hint, and if you put \u201cthe birth of Jesus,\u201d you\u2019re on\u2013 be on a Public Service Unit.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> He didn\u2019t do nothing<\/em> for us, only confuse us.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If he ever got born<\/em>, in the first place. (Pause) What is it? Well, I\u2019m reminding what, darling? (Pause) Repeating the question. Say it louder, please. Okay. Fascism<\/em> was a response\u2013 I told you what fascism was a little bit ago\u2013 that\u2019s where capitalism gets mean<\/em>. Capitalism in the United States still act like there\u2019s Republicans and Democrats, yeah, but all the time they still pass this Senate Bill 1437<\/a> that says con\u2013 (Stumbles over words) concentration camps are gonna be reopened and that Indians\u2019 lands are being taken from them, reservations and treaties<\/em> are being broken<\/em>. They\u2019re doing all of this. They\u2019re still saying, though, that there is a chance that you can be a Republican Democrat. Which means that you can vote for a brown<\/em> shit or a blue<\/em> shit. I mean if (stumbles over words)\u2013 that\u2019s about what it amounts to mean to me. Because if you listen to me, [Zbigniew] Brzezinski is the head of the Trilateral Commission, and he<\/em> hand-picked both<\/em> candidates so he would be sure that he would run, and he\u2019s a man that says the same thing that China does about nuclear war, and he\u2019s the man who jokingly said, excuse me, reporters, he got up \u2013\u00a0that\u2019s shows a man that\u2019s arrogant, ignorant, and with a lot of power \u2013\u00a0said, I\u2019m going into the office to discuss my genocidal<\/em> plans. That meant only a plan to exterminate black<\/em> people, Indian people, parts of the world. Amazing that a man would have the nerve<\/em> to say to the press<\/em> of the world, excuse me, gentlemen, I\u2019m going into my office<\/em> to discuss my genocidal plans. That means plans to wipe<\/em> out races in the country that he doesn\u2019t like, or classes<\/em> he doesn\u2019t like in the country. It\u2019s the same<\/em> stupid man that said, why, nuclear war is\u2013 to think that nuclear war isn\u2019t an answer to a\u2013 a problem of defensive capitalism, is being egocentric. He was stupid<\/em> in the first place. If the man had been intelligent, he woulda said \u201cethnocentric,\u201d but he\u2019s still stupid<\/em> looking at nuclear war in terms of the United States<\/em>, when they tell us in the first 20 minutes<\/em> now \u2013 less than 20 minutes, 17<\/em> minutes, thank you \u2013 how many\u2019ll die?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible replies)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible shouts)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What\u2019d you say, sister?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> (unintelligible) \u2013nine out of ten.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s nine out of ten, approximately, yes, I think that\u2019s right. I remember a figure.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Over<\/em>\u2013 over<\/em> 200 million. But Brzezinski<\/em> is the chief<\/em> advisor, he is the head of the security, advisory commission of the United States. He advises the President. He just came back from China, and he and China see eye-to-eye on one question. I sure give you a lot of help tonight. Now that\u2019s ninth question, isn\u2019t that right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now. (long pause)<\/p>\n

How much do we feel<\/em> about other people? I said this morning. This is a simple question. How many civilians have been killed in Nicaragua, definitely<\/em>, that they know? The cities have been destroyed. Bombed to hell. The people\u2019ve taken flight to the hills, but how many do they know \u2013 citizens \u2013 have definitely<\/em> been destroyed, and there\u2019re many missing? I\u2019m not even asking that. They think the number of missing may be five to six times the number killed. Now you can feel good, if you want to, about being a US citizen, but I feel miserable because we still have had, some of us, to deal with tax (unintelligible word) issues this year. And we\u2019re not finished with it, \u2018cause we still have to deal with this last year\u2019s taxes. All<\/em> the bombers sweeping in at\u2013 to level Managua to the ground, practically, are US planes, they\u2019ve been sent in in the last few days. You feel good about being a US citizen, if you want to. Say, say, uh, we\u2019re free in the USA. No, you\u2019re not free. You stand up and speak against US supporting the dictatorships, which I\u2019m not going to mention because that\u2019s a part of your question, but USA sends all<\/em> of our tax dollars \u2013 instead of helping the poor \u2013 they\u2019re all going across the world to destroy people, little children, particularly certain colors, destroying<\/em> them, wiping<\/em> them out, killing<\/em> mothers and children \u2013 not only fighting forces \u2013 and then they make the dirtiest<\/em> bombs in the world. Only one<\/em> nation on earth has made two kinds of bombs. Only one nation. That\u2019s USA. Now that pains<\/em> me. When I say over the air, \u201cI\u2019m guilty,\u201d I mean that. But some of you\u2019ve never felt that guilt about it. You never felt it. You say, \u201cI eat a ice cream cone.\u201d You\u2019re a\u2013 You\u2019re a murderer. \u2019Cause the money you spent on that ice cream cone, at least, at least, 10 to 20 percent of it, went to kill little children. There\u2019s a tax<\/em> on the ice cream. There\u2019s a tax<\/em> on the loaf of bread. There\u2019s a high<\/em> tax on gasoline, isn\u2019t there? You ever drive anywhere? You ever go on a bus, city bus? There\u2019s tax every time you drop that quarter in the little slot. See, you help commit murder around the world. Is that the tenth question?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (faintly) Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s it.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The number ninth question is still a\u2013 a problem of confusion. Fascism<\/em> was a response<\/em> to something<\/em> that had happened somewhere in the world<\/em> that showed the workers of the world that power could be wrested from the ruling class<\/em>, the bourgeoisie, B-O-R-U-G-E-O-I-S-E, I think it\u2019s spelled. What event was that? Was it the birth of Jesus? (Pause) The birth of something. And I already told you it wasn\u2019t the birth of Jesus, so don\u2019t give me no shit, now. (Pause) \u2019Cause all Jesus has done is confuse us. Been waitin\u2019 on him. It probably woulda happened a long time before, if we hadn\u2019t been waitin\u2019 on Jesus<\/em> for 20,000 fuck\u2013 2,000 fucking years. As I said about Jesus long<\/em> ago, and you heard me before you ever got over here, said, I didn\u2019t know<\/em>, Father, I didn\u2019t know when I was coming over here as to what you\u2019re into, (stumbles over words) what I really was. Oh, don\u2019t lie to me. You just weren\u2019t listenin\u2019, and didn\u2019t want to listen, didn\u2019t want to hear. I said long ago, anybody ever<\/em> been gone that long \u2013 Jesus, 2,000 years \u2013 the son-of-a-bitch ought to stay<\/em> gone. You heard me say that from the first day you met me.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Yeah! (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, if he ever came. Yes. Yes, comrade. (Pause) Gotta have some help. When the\u2013 when they finish. As you finish, lift your hands, will you? Then people that need help will lift their hands. And be sure to put the name of the helper on the bottom of the paper in a circle, too. So workers, you take note. The testers, take note, of those that helped so that they can be uh, also given special consideration. (Pause) What is it you want, uh, M\u2013 Mark? (tape edit) I said it to him, and he said, I understand you, Comrade Jim Jones. I said it\u2019s too<\/em> goddamned bad that the Japanese and Germany didn\u2019t hit Chicago, New York, San Francisco and Houston and bomb the hell out of our cities, and then maybe some of the fuckin\u2019 American people would not be so damn cocky as they are right now.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (tape edit) Let the comrade (Stumbles over words) ambassador, you\u2019re supposed to give people titles. No, no, no, no, no, Comrade Jim Jones. He says just call me, you know, by his first name. I\u2013 s\u2013 which is difficult. I\u2019d rather call him Ambassador Feodor, Feodor. Uh, anyway. Feodor Timofay\u2013 Timofeyev, Timofeyev. Uh, he said, no titles. And I thought it was so<\/em> beautiful that he was the only person that noticed, he saw me in that meeting when I had that ribs and all shit over there on the banquet, and I saw you settin\u2019 out here and I knew how some of you loved the ribs, I couldn\u2019t eat that rib to save my ass. And I\u2013 I couldn\u2019t, I wouldn\u2019t eat anything. But Johnny [Moss Brown] brought me a plate, and I thought, well, I won\u2019t make a scene. But he was so<\/em> perceptive, he caught that. He said you were troubled over this banquet that uh, we were getting special style. I said, oh yes, we never have two\u2013 we never<\/em> have two dishes of meats. Never<\/em>. And I said, ribs this is a\u2013 is an American uh, delight, a meal that most people like. I said, I can\u2019t\u2013 I couldn\u2019t eat my ribs, I took them back over. I wouldn\u2019t touch them. And, the first goddamn\u2013 we\u2019ve had Americans, we\u2019ve had Guyanese, we\u2019ve had people from all over the world, and the first time anyone\u2019s ever been sensitive enough to say, \u201cDon\u2019t set us out there in the middle, let us eat right with the people, let us\u2013 Whatever you go through, you do.\u201d Well, that\u2019s what gave me\u2013 I\u2019d had for weeks, had the idea, why in the hell can\u2019t we\u2013 of course, we\u2019re having good meals, a lot of our meals are very good. All we\u2019d had to do was just add a very little touch, and it\u2019d be suitable for anybody.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I mean (Stumbles over words)\u2013 I mean the most modest when we have\u2013 the most modest. But what we ought to do is for incentive<\/em> plan is, if some of you people could come up with\u2013 is so we get some more people back there involved in selling some extra dolls. Then, when the time the Soviet delegation comes, we can have a buffet banquet, and every person in the entire<\/em> place can go by and get ribs and chicken, if you understand what I mean.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Affirmations)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know why people can\u2019t see<\/em> that as we work<\/em> and prosper<\/em> and make money, we have more privilege to eat<\/em> better things. You see what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2019Cause it costs how much for me to feed each person here, give medical care, and get them here, and maintain them, now?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Eighteen hundred dollars a month. So that\u2019s a hell of a cost. You look at the cost of medicines, and you understand. Says, \u201cWell, I haven\u2019t been sick.\u201d Well, you will be<\/em>, if you keep that attitude up.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Agrees)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Just because uh, somebody back there washes the dishes, didn\u2019t was\u2013 didn\u2019t boil the water high<\/em> enough, we are between one<\/em> thousand and two<\/em> thousand dollars in just a few<\/em> days of Kaopectate\u2013 US dollars. Now, anybody foolish enough don\u2019t boil that water. (Pause) Hm? I\u2019d like to know who in the hell is responsible for it, too, that\u2013 it\u2013 it\u2013\u00a0you\u2019d do that. I\u2019ve said enough<\/em> about that, and Mother [Marceline Jones] said enough<\/em> about boilin\u2019 that water. Not to run anything through that hadn\u2019t been boiled. And you cause us to have the runnin\u2019 shits, and you could be glad you didn\u2019t eat that shit that one night. We got exactly what we deserved. I was glad. I ate with it\u2013 I wasn\u2019t goin\u2019 to, but Johnny gave me\u2013 everybody<\/em> that ate that got the runnin\u2019 shits, there.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That special food give us the runnin\u2019 shits.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> A few folk may have not\u2013 have gotten it, but it was\u2013 it was\u2013 I don\u2019t give a goddamn. You folk didn\u2019t miss a thing<\/em>. I mean, we shit that off the next day, somethin\u2019 else.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now if I\u2019da been able to do what I wanted<\/em> to, I wasn\u2019t gonna eat a bite. I can\u2019t stand to look around, seein\u2019 you folks, knowin\u2019 I\u2013 knowin\u2019 that you like ribs, or you like a piece of pie. No way, no, no, no, no, no, no. I\u2019m sick of this shit and I ain\u2019t eatin\u2019 no more, we can get them down in that little aluminum roof. You can\u2019t treat everybody like that, though, we can\u2019t let everybody go through our arrangement. We got to get to them apart. But uh\u2013 What\u2019d you say? Somebody say something to me? (Pause) But I don\u2019t know why we can\u2019t all join over there and more get into that and take the names down. We get the special list of those that\u2019re involved in dolls, we can step up that assembly thing, and we know<\/em> that we can sell the damn dolls<\/em>. We got an already existing order. And the toys<\/em>, they\u2013 we\u2013 we ought to be on the toy<\/em> market. I hope they\u2019ve done something in Georgetown. Here we\u2019re getting\u2019 right into the damn Christmas season, and they promised to buy every<\/em> toy we made, and I don\u2019t know whether we\u2019ve done a damn thing about it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Tape edit) \u2013ear, about the Ambassador, Timofeyev. Uh, loving. Uh, he said there\u2019s four things that\u2019s deep to the Soviet people, and he almost said it said tearfully, last night about 5 o\u2019clock in the morning or 6 o\u2019clock in the morning when we closed our session. He said, is love peace. He said that\u2019s why I love this song so much, \u201cWe the People Here Want War No More.\u201d Love, Communism, and, he said, Moscow. I said, Moscow? He said, yes, because that city has represented all<\/em> that was equality, all<\/em> that was just. Said there\u2019s more centers of research and universities in Moscow. He said our president [Leonid Brezhnev]\u2013 He said, he may\u2013 yes, he may have made some mistakes. I said, yes, there\u2019s only two things I disagree with, with the Soviet Union. I never would\u2019ve admitted that [Josef] Stalin made any<\/em> mistakes, \u2019cause US never admits their damn mistakes. And I woulda never\u2013 I never would\u2019ve given up Austria. And he laughed, he says, I like you, Comrade Jim Jones, you a very frank person. I said, we are allied with the Soviet Union, but I never\u2013 I never woulda give up Austria. No way. They had Austria, I\u2019d have kept a hold<\/em> of it. He said, well there was\u2013 he\u2013 you could tell that he thought\u2013 he said, we\u2019re not perfect, and that\u2019s what we\u2013 last night, he wanted you to understand. He said, not everybody lives<\/em> on a commune like this. And he said, there are different ones in every dre\u2013 every region, and he wants others. He don\u2019t like the monetary system. He don\u2019t like it. He loved<\/em> it here. He said, there\u2019s a lot\u2013 this is ideal communism<\/em>, you see, we\u2019ve reached<\/em> the ideal communism. Only thing is, we haven\u2019t got enough<\/em> yet. I want more protein. I want a little more of uh, everything here. But, he said the ideal\u2013 Uh, I told him\u2013 I said, what we ate\u2013 well, I said, you ate eggs yesterday morning, but we ate biscuits and gravy. He said, I\u2019da been glad<\/em> to eat biscuits and gravy. I said we put some meat in every day\u2019s meal. By the way, that raises a question. I\u2013 That\u2013 that damned suggestion box is poured full of those who are fightin\u2019 with me who want their chicken in one<\/em> piece, or their chicken cut up each time in their rice, or different things. So, I want it resolved for the last goddamned time, so I don\u2019t have no fuckin\u2019 issue over whether we have fried<\/em> chicken. I want it decided once and for all.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They got a whole damn petition about it. All we want is you. Said, threaten \u2018em with it, do what you want to\u2013 threaten \u2018em to get off your back, but don\u2019t get involved<\/em> with them because when you sue<\/em> them, they only do something else dirty to try to make more<\/em> harm for your people. And I tend to incl\u2013 And I\u2019m tending to be inclined to agree<\/em> with that. Although I\u2019ll have to convince uh, some of our attorneys of this. Although he\u2019s\u2013 he admitted\u2013 he was a very humble man, he said \u201cI don\u2019t know.\u201d I told him how we had threatened and gotten things done. I told him about our uh, (laughs) Mrs. White [likely code for “final White Night”], and he said, he\u2013 he\u2013 he laughed, Jesus Christ, he laughed. He said, I wouldna laughed if I\u2019da been<\/em> here but he\u2013 I told him I was on the army band, preaching Marxist-Leninism, going on for seven days and six nights, raising hell around here, people shootin\u2019, and the old ladies with their cutlasses and such hell goin\u2019 on, and he said you\u2019d never seen the like in your life, pigs bein\u2019 poisoned, warehouses bein\u2019 stoled, then we guard the warehouse, they took all the shoes off our porches. Some of us\u2013 some of us know what it meant. Oh, that\u2019s a year ago, don\u2019t worry, honey, some of you (unintelligible, may be mocking someone). It\u2019s all done. That war\u2019s over, honey. It\u2019s already been won.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (tape edit) \u2013(unintelligible) again, but I\u2019m glad we had it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now<\/em> I can say I\u2019m glad we had it, \u2019cause I don\u2019t think some of us knew<\/em> what war\u2013 We didn\u2019t know what communism meant.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s why a lot of you folk can set out here and hear him say 20 million of our people died. It don\u2019t mean shit to you, \u2018cause you never saw a bot\u2013 bomb hit Richmond, California, Oakland, or San Francisco or Fresno or Los Angeles. If you\u2019da ever seen<\/em> one of \u2018em leveled\u2013 I was reviewing today a beautiful film on the People\u2019s Democratic Republic of North Korea, I want you to see it tomorrow, 16 hours a day, that goddamn USA leveled\u2013 leveled that country\u2013 that country to nothing but rubble. There were three houses left standing. There was a bomb dropped for every person. For every person in North Korea, there was a bomb. One\u2013 I don\u2019t know the tonnage of the bomb. One<\/em> bomb. And those<\/em> beautiful people, by working like that and caring<\/em> and not being like some of you, gruntled, always disgruntled. Why you have this? Why you got to have to g\u2013 watch the show? Why we have to have a meeting every night? Goddamn, why don\u2019t you quit gripping a little bit and understand and know what the hell I\u2019m doin\u2019? I make various exceptions, so why do we have to watch the film twice? You<\/em> can\u2019t get Harlan County<\/em> in one time.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You can\u2019t get<\/em> some of these films in one time. You got to get your heart\u2013 you couldn\u2019t get that film on Molly McGuire<\/em> first time.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You gotta get your soul<\/em> into it and begin to feel <\/em>those miners goin\u2019 down into that dirt and debris and being shot at, and bein\u2019 drug away, and the last scene. And that\u2019s all real, it was all true. You gotta feel<\/em> that thing of that miner bein\u2019 there in that cell and that detective comin\u2019 in and tryin\u2019 like Pilate to wash his hands and clean his hands up so he can go on. Said, I\u2019m not going to give you no guilt-free bit, Bill, but he said I will<\/em> beat your ass. (Stumbles over words) He\u2013 he whip\u2013 he throwed him up against the wall, he said, that is not going to clear you. That\u2019s not going to clear you, man. Then later in history, he got it, that\u2013 that inform\u2013 that was a true story. But you<\/em> don\u2019t see \u2019em\u2013 I\u2013 you see\u2013 I ain\u2019t got no time to see that. What\u2013 what you doin\u2019 that\u2019s better right now.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>(Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What you doin\u2019 better? Say, I want to make love, I want to talk. We ain\u2019t\u2013 Right now, goddamn it, get to Russia, you can make all the love you want to.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We won\u2019t have the problem. We won\u2019t have to deal with US consul. We won\u2019t have to have a model here. Now we gotta have a model because we want to be approved<\/em> by those coming in. We want a model because also that\u2019ll keep us peace in Guyana in the meantime. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And he asked that most urgently. That was one question. Everybody could tell you that was in the meeting, that is the most urgent question. He said, don\u2019t let down. We heard him say it last night.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> He said, build this into pure communism, keep building it. All you do, he said, everything, work<\/em> hard, make this the best, because as the people come in, that will help him champion our cause. He\u2019s already<\/em> championed our cause and already got the clear signal. If things are like he<\/em> says they are, that\u2019s fine. Now, the next<\/em> time anybody comes here, if we have any bullshit from \u2019em\u2013 That\u2019s why I said the next time they come, we want to all have the same meal<\/em>, but we can\u2019t have the same meal until some people get back there and produce at night. And I want to see how many tomorrow have gone down to Ruby [Carroll] and said I\u2019m gonna give some extra hours, I wanna give some extra hours. Right now, we got a project right there that can make us some money, we got $33,000 order \u2013 one order \u2013 and we can get more<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/strong>(unintelligible) \u2013Kay said that people (unintelligible word)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, Kay [Nelson] said that people raved when they took \u2018em to the store. We got these wood toys. I want to see how many of you\u2019ll volunteer time. Show the little North Korean children going out and uh\u2013 and harvest. And I mean, some of \u2018em were so<\/em> small that the rice they were carrying, may\u2013 you couldn\u2019t see \u2019em. They were carrying the rice along on their shoulders, around them\u2013 on their heads, and they looked like little rice bodies movin\u2019. But they loved and they laughed and they danced and they jumped, and you never heard such singing, you never heard such synchronization, you never saw such orchestration of unity in your life. I\u2013 My heart wanted to cry because here, every time we try to organize\u2013 You been ruined, some of you assholes.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You been ruined on a diet of US<\/em> capitalism, and you don\u2019t like to change your fuckin\u2019 structure and you want peace<\/em> when we\u2019re still in war.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Our people back there, still in war. We shouldn\u2019t expect to have a light schedule until we get our people free.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Stumbles over words) See, now, that\u2019s what I mean, that\u2019s right. Until tomorrow night, we\u2019re all gonna see the People\u2019s Democratic Republic of North Korea.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Stumbles over words) and when they get through with their eight-hour day, when they get through with their eight-hour day, and you look at the happiness on those little faces and they march, those little children march (stamps feet in march cadence). The sound\u2013 they call \u2018em\u2013 Kim Il-sung calls them the\u2013 the kings and queens of the\u2013 of the revolution. They\u2019re our future. They\u2019re our gems, he called \u2019em. Those are our treasures. Wake up, please. Wake up<\/em> your neighbor! (Pause) He said those are our treasure. But the laughter, the joy, the sunshine\u2013 because those children have rebuilt a nation that was torn to hell<\/em>. E\u2013 Even though it\u2019s a US film \u2013 it\u2019s full of propaganda \u2013 but you can see as clear as day. There nothing left standing, and you see the most beautiful cities, that looks like any modern American city. Great, big, lovely apartments, and they\u2019ve done that in twenty years. You don\u2019t do that like some of you fuckers work.<\/p>\n

Scattered Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, no, no. You don\u2019t rebuild in twenty years like that. (Pause) But the trouble<\/em> is, some of you got Americanitis. And I told him, I said, Comrade, we want to speed it. He says, well, it takes time, the processes of time, consuming the delegation, (Stumbles over words) some need to go there, some need to come here. I said, yes, but one problem I got is the goddamn women go into uh, Georgetown, and they haven\u2019t got enough sense to know shit from apple butter. Well, that\u2019s what caught Debby [Layton Blakey]. Got her on drugs. They tried the same\u2013 they tried the same thing on three different women. You women better listen to this, and they better remind them in Georgetown again, too, hear? Secretaries better take this down. Say, well, I\u2013 I\u2013 Mary, I\u2019m interested in you, I want you, I\u2019ll give you nice things. Then they get somebody like Debby on dope<\/em>, and she steals $25,000 and takes off<\/em>. That\u2019s a problem we got here. I said in Moscow, we don\u2019t have that. When you go to Moscow, they don\u2019t have any dope. The homosexuality, he said\u2013 homosexuality, we\u2019re not prudes, he said, we don\u2019t have it. It\u2019s the frustration that comes out of rebelling against the system. (Pause) We don\u2019t have<\/em> it, because we understand. I told him about homosexuality, I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about it\u2013 he said it\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a form of rebellion<\/em>, but we don\u2019t have the problem, because we don\u2019t need to rebel. There\u2019s no need<\/em> to rebel. He said sex is uh, not emphasized, but he said sex\u2013 and it\u2019s not glorified. It\u2019s for pleasure, if they wish it, but primarily for productivity, and should be. Should be<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> As long as capitalists are producing, socialists have<\/em> to.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And that\u2019s what we want to say about the People\u2019s Republic of North Korea. They say, no man marry till you\u2019re 32. No woman marry until you\u2019re 30. Say, you don\u2019t know your own mind. You haven\u2019t been educated. You haven\u2019t been fulfilled. You don\u2019t have enough self-image. You don\u2019t have enough uh, awareness of yourself. You understand what I\u2019m saying? Shift, please.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>You know\u2013 you don\u2019t know no what shit from Shinola at 19.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> 21.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Not even at 25. You need to get (stretches word) all the things behind you before you start messin\u2019 around \u2018bout decidin\u2019 who\u2019s going to be your permanent life figure. Set down. And some of you here are marrying at these ungodly uh, early ages, you\u2019re gonna be sorry<\/em> as hell.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. (applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (tape edit) \u2013so I\u2019m in love. You don\u2019t know sh\u2013 you don\u2019t know yourself<\/em> at 19, much less anything about love. (Pause) Please get one thing straight, too, about me. Some of you assholes. I don\u2019t do anything but for c\u2013 the cause of communism. I wouldn\u2019t let my life be led but\u2013 anything but the cause of communism. I got good people and difficult, that needs my attention, I got sick people that need my attention. I got uh, some weirdos<\/em> that need my attention. I deal<\/em> with \u2019em. But there\u2019s only one thing uppermost in my mind: that\u2019s the revolution.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I better not have no more scenes like I had last night from some of you sons-of-bitches in the middle of the Russians. And you know who I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about. Carryin\u2019 on, makin\u2019 me have to run out\u2013 uh, don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t give me no more shit. I been\u2013 two nights in a row, I had to be\u2013 I had to be interrupted by nonsense<\/em> when I was trying to negotiate your <\/em>future. Twelve hundred children. Sick and tired of that kind of shit. \u2019Cause I\u2019m not like you. You put your ass above anything else. Someone said very thoughtfully to me, and I thought it was a very nice thing, said my commitment to this organization is above my ass. I wish half the people in here could say that they\u2019ve commitment to this organization, to communism, was above their ass. Do you understand what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. (applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. If you don\u2019t\u2013 If you don\u2019t, you\u2019re gonna end back in hell. Some of you set there like s\u2013 bumps on a log, you never listen, you think it\u2019s never gonna happen. It\u2019s gonna happen as sure as sh\u2013 hell. Dr. Daniel Ellsberg came to our church last night, addressed our church in San Francisco. He said it\u2019s hopeless, the only thing you\u2013 you people could do is to do what you\u2019ve done, to build a soci\u2013 soci\u2013 a society where you people can come to, because the USA is gonna be a wasteland and a desert, nuclear war is gonna happen, \u2018cause USA doesn\u2019t care. USA thinks they\u2019re a big bully. USA thinks that the G\u2013 God\u2019s on their side. USA thinks they can get by with pushing everybody around, and it\u2019s gonna happen. And he\u2019s almost in a nervous breakdown over it. He said it\u2019s horrible<\/em> for me to think, at 46 years of age, just a man of my age, he said it\u2019s horrible<\/em>, he said, for me to think, horrible<\/em> for me to consider that my nation is g\u2013\u00a0going to look like nothing but one great big bomb crater.<\/p>\n

And that\u2019s the way North Korea looked. And the way they\u2019ve built it now, there\u2019s not one bit of poverty, not one slum, not one piece of rubble, not one piece of dirty street. You don\u2019t see litter or anything, and even that film, that was made by US film company, you see nothing but beauty. How\u2019d they get it? Because the men didn\u2019t marry till they were 32 and the women didn\u2019t marry until they were 30, and then they were willing to go a year and a half, like China, and some of \u2018em, a year and a half out into various communes and educations \u2013 even after they were married \u2013 to do projects for the people. If you think and care about babies, that\u2019s the best<\/em> romance you can have. So don\u2019t get me ever confused, I\u2019ll never<\/em> put anything between me and the babies of this organization. We want them to have the brightest future in the world.<\/p>\n

Now one of the sisters, Marlene uh, Wheeler, as one of the recommendations tonight, has recommend that we give toys to our babies. I cannot give all these toys to the babies right now. I can\u2019t give \u2019em. I\u2019d love<\/em> to, unless Marlene Wheeler and others can come up \u2013 Marlene Tarver \u2013 can come up with some ideas<\/em> on how to get extra time<\/em> outta you people so you\u2019ll make uh, uh, enough dolls in addition<\/em> to what we\u2019re making for profit<\/em>. I can only do so much<\/em>. \u2019Cause we have to continue to build this place<\/em> into a model. It\u2019s not so much the Soviet Union<\/em>, but we have to deal\u2013 uh, build this place into a model,<\/em> and we got expenses and court actions and attorneys to face back there, and it take\u2013 costs money<\/em> to find out conspirators. You have to p\u2013 you have to pay<\/em> some. We paid one off<\/em> [Gordon Lindsay]. We paid<\/em> one to find out what was going on.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Some people sell their mother<\/em> out for a dollar<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We got a whole lot<\/em> for $5,000, but we had to pay<\/em> $5,000. Say, is it worth it? Oh, yes, it was worth it. It stopped the National Enquirer<\/em> from the damnedest uh, lies you ever saw in your mortal days. Dr. Mark Lane who was here, who wrote Rush to Judgment<\/em> and all those famous books, say he never saw anything like it in the world. It woulda got our people killed, our people killed in the United States, it was so vicious. And he got the article killed<\/em> because he got\u2013 he paid\u2013 he paid to get somebody that lied<\/em> on us, so he went in the National Enquirer<\/em> and he said here\u2019s one liar, I got their affidavit. They lied. You print this, and I\u2019ll sue you for 70 million dollars. National Enquirer<\/em> thought\u2013 they\u2013 they said, well, we\u2013 we won\u2019t print the story. But we had to pay 5,000. Well, you think $5,000 is worth 70 mill\u2013 70 million? Oh, yes, yes, indeed, indeed. $5,000. I managed to (unintelligible word) 70 million dollars, he print a bunch a lies. National Enquirer<\/em> is a m\u2013 is a magazine that\u2019s the largest read in the entire United States. It got a circulation goes all over the world. It got a circulation of I don\u2019t know how many millions. It\u2019s filled<\/em> with lies. Every time it writes about communists, it writes the damnedest, ugliest, meanest things they can write. Last thing it wrote was on some communist supposed to\u2019ve been livin\u2019 in a\u2013 in a Cuban prison, and it was the most damned bunch of lies ever existed. Terrible<\/em> things, horrible<\/em> things, how they beat and did sexual things, and he said, anything you can imagine \u2013 Dr. Mark Lane said \u2013 anything you can imagine and can\u2019t<\/em> imagine was in that article. (Pause) And uh, it was worth<\/em> $5,000 to keep that article from going all over the world. It\u2019s worth<\/em> paying Mark Lane his expenses. That\u2019s all he\u2019s asked, too. Expenses of him and his staff, and it takes a lot of staff<\/em> to get this shit done, when you\u2019re diggin\u2019 for it. He said what\u2019s it cost you? Well, it\u2019s cost us $15,000. But by God, that\u2019s a uh\u2013 you say, fifteen thousand plus five thousand, that\u2019s twenty thousand to keep out of the National Enquirer<\/em>, I\u2019da paid a hundred thousand. \u2019Cause I don\u2019t want one of our people to be shot when they walk out of the parking lot.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/strong> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You don\u2019t realize how devastating the N\u2013 uh, National Enquirer<\/em> can be. It\u2019s in every supermarket, every drugstore, 12 million circulation. Twelve<\/em> million. The largest circulation of any magazine, any newspaper in the world, except Pravda in the Soviet Union and Tass. Do you think it\u2019s not worth something to keep you\u2013 your\u2013 out of\u2013 bunch of lies out of there?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Huh. And it was outrageous.<\/em> Outrageous. We all have free sex, we have sex orgies, there\u2019re homosexuals here, molest children, all kinds of things<\/em>. All kinds of things. All kinds of lies you never heard in your life. The women have\u2013 the old women have to do all the work and carry the\u2013 the le\u2013 the c\u2013 coal and the uh\u2013\u00a0the wood and uh, c\u2013 the water, and the\u2013 the young people sit around and the\u2013 and the whites are waited on by the blacks.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Any kind of shit<\/em> to peel to keep\u2013 And you know what? Some of our black people who read that? They never woulda come. They\u2019d believed it. You believe that black people sittin\u2019 around here waitin\u2019 on whites? I don\u2019t believe so. I see a whole<\/em> lot of folks setting around, but there\u2019s both<\/em> white and black.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Huh?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> (louder) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And if you see whites sittin\u2019, it\u2019s your duty to get up on this floor and say it. If you see blacks<\/em> sittin\u2019, it\u2019s your duty to get up here and say it. And that\u2019s what I\u2019ll<\/em> do about it. We\u2019ll correct anything. But it was a\u2013 and that isn\u2019t even\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2013 that doesn\u2019t even touch it. Oh, God, it was awful. It was awful<\/em>. Connected with the Mafia, and we supposed to kill this one and we\u2013 we killed uh, that young man [John Head], and throwed him off the damn building. Such awful, awful, lies and lies, lies. Even though the coroner\u2019s report clearly showed how the man died, they were printin\u2019 all that shit. Only one thing they understood. That Charles Garry, it\u2019s been too bad, uh, nice man, but he don\u2019t understand how to deal in the world of USA. Trouble with Charles Garry, he wants to look after Charles Garry as well as Peoples Temple. And when you got an attorney, he\u2019s got to be interested only in Peoples Temple.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> He can\u2019t be interested in his image with the press. Charles Garry: oh, no, no, no, no, no, don\u2019t bother the press. Every time I want to sue \u2019em\u2013 oh, no, no, no, no, don\u2019t bother \u2019em. They won\u2019t hurt you. The hell<\/em>, they don\u2019t hurt you. The hell<\/em>, lies don\u2019t hurt you. We had folk right now quit comin\u2019<\/em> over those goddamn lies.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They hurt<\/em> you, and from the first\u2013 I\u2019ve\u2013 I\u2019ve taken entirely different course of action. But we were stuck with him. Say, what do you mean stuck, \u2019cause when you get an attorney, you have to tell him everything. Wasn\u2019t anything wrong. Everything we did was right<\/em>. But he\u2013 You know certain facts about your organization, and he<\/em> goes against you, you have some difficulties. So I had to edge in slowly and get friends of his that was acceptable to him so he could make this move. \u2019Cause up till now, he would\u2013 never would do it. He\u2019s an old fool. There ain\u2019t no fool like an old fool.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Got his toupee and his eyes uplifted. Had his eyes s\u2013 sewed up so the droops are out so he can try to screw with the girl 32 years of age. Uh, uh, any man 70 years of age trying to screw with a girl 32 years of age has got to\u2013 he can\u2019t do<\/em> nothin\u2019 else but try that \u2019cause take him all week long<\/em> just to get one screw.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered laughter.)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019m not kidding you. I wish some of you\u2019d grow up now<\/em> rather than wait ti\u2013 at our expense later. He great man, Charles Garry, a lot of un\u2013 a lot of understanding. But now he\u2019s\u2013 he\u2019s\u2013 he\u2019s acting like a juvenile. When you\u2019re\u2013 really, when you\u2019re young, be young, then go, go through with youth. That\u2019s why I say don\u2019t marry at 17 and get hurt. Study, study, study yourself and study others. Know yourself, don\u2019t wait, don\u2019t wait, don\u2019t wait, don\u2019t wait. Get things out of your hair\u2013 your system. Talk<\/em> it out. Feel it out. Find out how other people have learned through the hard way. No, but some of you don\u2019t. (mocking) \u201cI want to do this. I want to have sex.\u201d Whyn\u2019t you talk to some of these women here? Whyn\u2019t you talk to some of them? One woman went home, went back to the battle. Whyn\u2019t you talk to her? Some of these women have had 300 men. Hm? And every one of \u2018em treated in the same way. Whyn\u2019t you talk to some of our women that\u2019ve had their\u2013 their anuses have to be operated where they been torn apart, when they were in debt, \u2019til they st\u2013 they lost everything, and even some of \u2018em had to go to jail, because the men had used their credit cards or taken their money and used them for prostitutes and every other thing. (shrill, mocking tone) \u201cThat didn\u2019t happen to me.\u201d It would if you\u2019d live long enough.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If you\u2019d been on the streets, the chances are, it woulda happened to you.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You say it never happened to me. But what is it that some of you dummies, that has to\u2013 you have to wait for it to happen to you<\/em> before you understand that it can<\/em> happen. If it happened to beautiful people like June Crym. Hm? They\u2019re beautiful people, right?<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s a lawyer that was a se\u2013 a secretary, very prominent, just left. I could go on down the list, black and white. How many women know what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about here? Dirt that\u2019s been put on your ass? Why don\u2019t you learn? And wait. Don\u2019t get involved. And here this fool, he don\u2019t know anything about himself, and he waits till he\u2019s 70, and now he starts acting out, and we\u2019re needing him for an attorney and he\u2019s already written a book about how he\u2019s gonna\u2013 what he\u2019s gonna do in the courtroom<\/em>. So I had to work with him slowly<\/em>, over these 10 months, to get another attorney with<\/em> him, to work with<\/em> him, so that when we got to court, we got another b\u2013 person in that court. I am nobody in court for us, that\u2019s already told at how at he uses the jury. He\u2013 ain\u2019t nobody gonna\u2013 You\u2013 How\u2019s he gonna know\u2013 Uh, what\u2019s he gonna do, is he gonna ask every uh, juror that ever came to court. We\u2019re not up against any court action yet uh, civil court, but he\u2013 not up in any criminal action\u2013 What we gonna do, he\u2013 he\u2013 when he comes up to every juror, is he gonna say, \u201cHave you read my book uh, uh, Street Fighter in the Courtroom<\/em>?\u201d Is that a legitimate question, lawyers? Huh? Is it a legitimate question? Wonder if he\u2019ll have sense enough\u2013 I wonder if his ego will be sensible enough to ask it in the right way.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (too soft.)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Is it a legitimate question? Is everyone going to tell him the truth? Hm?<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> He can\u2013 he can exclude\u2013 He only has so many times<\/em> that he can exclude jurors. Charles Garry, man supposed to represent Huey Newton, and you tell folk not gonna read his book. You think every juror\u2019s gonna tell the truth up there? They read his book, don\u2019t like him. Read his book, they got pissed<\/em> at him. If they read his book, some people would<\/em> get pissed at him. And so uh, it just gets\u2013 yeah, I don\u2019t know about your book, go on into the jury room and see how he works against the jury. \u2018Cause he brags<\/em> in his book how he deals with the jury. You don\u2019t do<\/em> that. That\u2019s stupidity. So, when you\u2019re a child, you\u2013 long as you\u2019re a practicing lawyer, he shouldna written any book about how he\u2013 any of his courtroom techniques<\/em>. And it\u2019s worried the hell<\/em> out of me\u2013 We\u2019da had a lot less trouble if we hadn\u2019t had the advice to get him, and that was all we had available. \u2019Cause some of the people we wanted to get wouldn\u2019t\u2013 th\u2013 they go for hiding, you know. First he\u2013 we\u2013 he took all he could take from us, but he went for hiding. Mr. [Fred] Furth, you can\u2019t find now (unintelligible word), understand, he\u2019s friendly with \u2018em\u2013 our people meeting, but for a long time he went\u2013 he went into hiding<\/em>. He didn\u2019t mind using<\/em> us, taking<\/em> from us \u2013 shift again, please \u2013 but he didn\u2019t want any<\/em>\u2013 anything to do with us. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

We had a lot of good<\/em> things happen to us this last month. And we ought to be grateful<\/em>. We oughtna mind having to work a few extra hours. But I\u2019m gonna say now, Marlene has made these requests, and I listened to it.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (faint)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Aside) Sit off to the side. Where is it? Did uh, uh, Chris\u2013 Christine do that for me? That\u2019s good, I appreciate that. (Back to crowd) May be seated. She feels that children should have two<\/em>-week sentences on PSU [Public Service Unit] (tape edit) \u2013SU. She feels three days should be maximum sentence for children, since they are younger<\/em> than adults and less mature<\/em>. She feels that children need a better playground to develop motor skills<\/em>. We have put this off for some time, and she thinks it\u2019s a priority.<\/p>\n

Well, now, that\u2019s her\u2013 that\u2019s what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about, that suggestion box. That\u2019s what the point\u2013 that\u2019s the point of it. That don\u2019t mean I\u2019m gonna agree<\/em> with everything. My<\/em> opinion is that the priority, when I walked out here into a mess last night when I\u2019m right in the middle of the Russians\u2013 fortunately, I walked out there\u2013 uh, everything is always a blessing in disguise. I had to be called out into a mess. Goddamn, you better not create no more messes for me, I\u2019m tellin\u2019 you. You know who in the fuck I\u2019m talkin\u2019 to. This clan and love and bullshit. You better stop<\/em> this shit. You better try and stop manipulating and telling somebody who they should go with. You better stop it, I mean, you better stop it. \u2019Cause your ass is gonna be in front of here and you\u2019re gonna be thrown on Public Service. This the last<\/em> warning. I don\u2019t care who you are, or whether you got a loved one, a mother, a grandmother, an aunt, or brother, or sister in the highest levels of this church, your ass is all\u2013 I\u2019m gonna throw whole<\/em> families in Public Service. You better not tell nobody<\/em> that they should go with somebody. (Pause) That\u2019s right. You should lea\u2013 uh, your damn mouth to yourself about relationships and write<\/em> it up to me if you see something is wrong. Not bein\u2019 gossipin\u2019 around in back\u2013 behind people\u2019s backs about what\u2019s going on. And put no pressure on someone that they should go with someone when they don\u2019t, and then cause me a da\u2013 a damn-near suicide. When somebody don\u2019t want to go with somebody, you leave \u2019em alone.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I\u2019m pretty pissed<\/em> at it, Now I\u2019m pissed<\/em> at it. It better not happen no more. You think I don\u2019t know what\u2019s goin\u2019 on in this fucking place. I know all <\/em>what\u2019s goin\u2019 on in this fuckin\u2019 place. But s\u2013 some of it is such small<\/em> shit, I was entertaining angels for our uh\u2013 our freedom while some of this small shit\u2019s going on. But I know<\/em> about this small shit, and I took it to your front door last night, and it\u2019s a damn wonder I didn\u2019t come in there, lick the whole damn household. But in the process I found out that the toilet over here smells like hell. So the priority, in my<\/em> opinion, in all<\/em> good uh, respect to Marlene Tarver \u2013 and I respect her \u2013 is not a playground for children, but it\u2019s another toilet<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s my opinion.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because that toilet smells like hell.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If you can\u2019t smell it, you\u2019ve not got very good oh\u2013 nose. I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about this l\u2013 the toilet way over here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We need another toilet<\/em>, seems to me. But that\u2019s her requ\u2013 that\u2019s her uh, putting on a form. Now that\u2019s what I mean by a suggestion<\/em>. Maybe some others would agree with her. Now she says no two week sentences on children for\u2013 She says children can\u2019t be expected to know as adults. What the hell\u2019s the matter? What\u2019s he\u2013 What\u2013 What\u2013 Oh, oh, what\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Excited hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calls out) Anybody\u2013 You bring this motherfucker up that started this shit. Who<\/em> started this shit?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Willie started it. Willie started it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Who?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Willie Malone.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Willie Malone? He\u2019s the one I\u2019m talkin\u2019 to last night, too. Get his ass up here! Goddamn you and your fuckin\u2019 fightin\u2019! Don\u2019t you give me no shit! Get the strait jacket? Doc\u2013 Get the doctor!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do\u2013 Doctor! Get the doctor! Get the doctor! Get the doctor! Do that which is lawful. You\u2013 Willie Malone. You better stop it, goddamn your ass! We have every (tape edit)<\/p>\n

(Calm) \u2013it seems to me<\/em>, I\u2019ve seen some Guyanese<\/em> with long hair, but I don\u2019t know. Apparently, they don\u2019t see their own. We\u2019re standing here under a fish bowl. We don\u2019t mind it. Hell, what\u2019s a little sacrifice of hair? That\u2019s all the complaint they have, that\u2019s the only complaint they had, other than boiling our water<\/em>, and they damn well had good reason for that. And antisepticizing the toilets, huh<\/em>?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Right, right. But the education was marvelous<\/em>. They thought the entertainment was superb. But I know, and Comrade [Tom] Grubbs, I want you, while you\u2019re up, too, that some of the educators, Professor [Richard] Tropp, I\u2019m\u2013 they\u2019re going to have to get special classes, \u2018cause this\u2013 uh, this musical department\u2019s not going to go until they know Marxist-Leninism. Some<\/em> of them know<\/em> it, but you cannot go through Russia, representing us, making money<\/em> for us\u2013 uh, they\u2019ll be asking questions<\/em> of you. You people got to know Marxist-Leninism. And I\u2013 I know some of you\u2013 and you\u2013 we\u2019ve got a reputation. They love us for being teetotalers<\/em>. They love us for not drinking and not smoking. Said, you make us feel guilty, Comrade Jones. But now in the Soviet Union, they\u2019re developing whole<\/em> cities where you cannot smoke. Whole<\/em> cities. Said, I just feel guilty. They both smoke. And he said uh\u2013 and he wouldn\u2019t drink at all. We offered him a drink, \u2018cause we have some for the hypertension people, who need alcohol, not very little, but uh, we give a couple teaspoons full, but nonetheless uh, he wou\u2013 no, no, no, he wouldn\u2019t drink. And you cannot smoke in a restaurant in the Soviet Union, you can\u2019t smoke in a theater, no place where other people are. Where people are eating, you cannot smoke. And that\u2019s strict about consideration of other people\u2019s feelings<\/em>. So we want to uh\u2013 wonder what I get on that for?<\/p>\n

Jack <\/strong>(from Crowd):<\/strong> (unintelligible) in the band\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah. I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about liquor<\/em>, was where I was going. Thank you. Thank you, Jack. B\u2013 because the la\u2013 the last time I went\u2013 we went out, we didn\u2019t even go no further than the goddamned mouth of the river, and some people in the band were takin\u2019 liquor. Now, I\u2019m not gonna have<\/em> it. I\u2019m gonna send the ones\u2013 I\u2019ll pick Norman [Ijames] and I\u2019ll pick some that I know<\/em> will not do<\/em> that shit to go over there, because I\u2019m not gonna have no goddamned some son-of-a-bitch go over there and get sn\u2013 soused, because Russians drink<\/em>, in some circles, and then maybe some CIA might happen to be in a public function, sure as hell when US entertainers, \u2019cause they\u2019ll be thousands come. He says there\u2019ll be thousands that would come to see\u2013 to hear us in Moscow, for instance. And if you fucker drink or can\u2019t open your mouth and talk Marxist-Leninism, you\u2019re not goin\u2019<\/em>. And you haven\u2019t got much time<\/em>\u2013 This is the end\u2013 You got October, November, December. That\u2019s it. Go ahead. Now what\u2013 back to\u2013 say, what\u2019s this feeling of\u2013 (tape edit) you\u2019re twelve years of age. My father [James Thurman Jones] started smoking at fourteen years of age. Fifteen years later, I\u2019m born, so genetically, they gave me a disease that both of them had, emphysema. The thing that my mother [Lynetta Jones] died of. That\u2019s the curse<\/em> of you people who smoke. You curse your children. Hm?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> He said I don\u2019t know how you handle it so well. He said the cancer cells that did appear or to be looking atypical, they\u2019re gone. Well, I know how that happens, and I think by the time the ambassador last night\u2013 he begin to wonder that l\u2013 how a lot of things happened, too. He\u2019d heard about Don Jackson, he was amazed this man\u2019s walkin\u2019<\/em>, he gets hit at 60 miles an hour, he said uh, he understood about the healing, he understood. We didn\u2019t pursue it very much, but he understood very<\/em> well. He said, I wish you could do some of this\u2013 he said, you could convert our Pentecostals, you could convert our Pentecostals in Russia. He said, I know you could. And I could<\/em>, \u2018cause we know how to sing. We know how to put the emotion and heart. And he said that\u2019s the thing we know how. We put emotion into communism. He said, and you<\/em> would appreciate Russia. He said, I know you<\/em> would appreciate the Soviet Union. You would not take it for granted<\/em> like a lot of our people in the Soviet Union do. They get free medical care, they get free dental care, they get free education, they get free glasses, they get free everything. He said, you<\/em> people would appreciate it. He said, I know. And I said, yes, we\u2019d kiss the ground.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because that meant that much. Although some of you want to go back, some of you don\u2019t appreciate free medicine until you\u2013 and in\u2013 You will<\/em> though, you will though. You\u2019ll be sick one day. You\u2019ll be sick one day. (Pause) And when you get your ass in a hospital and don\u2019t\u2013 can\u2019t afford the\u2013 the nurse, can\u2019t afford somebody to watch. You say, I been in the hospital and I didn\u2019t have nothin\u2019 but welfare. And you don\u2019t know how close you may\u2019ve come to losing your life, either.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All they\u2019re moving against the welfare. Proposition 13\u2019s already cut back all<\/em> Medi-Cal, Medic-Aid in California. Better listen now, I\u2019m reviewing the news a little bit. I want to\u2013 I\u2019m going to give the answers to the questions too, give me the answers to the questions\u2013 the questions tonight. Got a reason for that. Uh, now J\u2013 Jarvis-Gann [reference to Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann, the co-authors of Proposition 13] and\u2013 and Mayor [Frank] Rizzo has proposed an entire<\/em> federal plan for the entire United States to cut back all<\/em> property taxes. There\u2019ll be no way to fund the schools. That means people\u2019ll have to set up private<\/em> schools. Who\u2019s going to go to school? The rich. The poor will have to go to work in sweatshops. They\u2019ll be put in\u2013 in uh, uh, garment factories, or p\u2013 put in concentration camps \u2019cause they don\u2019t need any workers. They can\u2019t even employ their adults<\/em>. And I mean, this is a real fact<\/em> of life, and some of you talk about, well, I want to go back to the United States, but the United States isn\u2019t what it was<\/em> when you left it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>(Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s a changed<\/em> United States. You\u2013 When you left the United States, it had five and a half billion dollars in California treasury. Today it\u2019s not got a penny one. \u2019Cause they had to spend it on all their budget, \u2018cause the damned fools cut back taxes. For who? Who? The poor? No. The people\u2013 the only people that really benefited anything from it were people who made over $40,000 a year. Did you ever make over $40,000 a year?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Okay, then shut up about America. (Pause) Okay, shift again, please. Now\u2013 (tape edit) uh, he thinks that the Soviet\u2013 he thinks that the uh\u2013 and Norman pointed out to me the featuring of high flying objects\u2013 uh, high flying objects\u2013 the Soviet Union said they are satisfied<\/em> that the CIA is cloud-seeding Guyana. They\u2019re cloud-seeding to get too much rain to try to screw their harvest up like they did\u2013 the the Cubans twice<\/em> in a row, twice\u2013 two years in a row. He said\u2013 and he gave us the\u2013 he gave us the most secret of secret information. He said, it hadn\u2019t been for Dr. [Ptolemy] Reid, he said they \u2013 the United States \u2013 demanded<\/em> of Guyana that they would get no<\/em> aid until we were kicked<\/em> out and made to return to the United States. And Dr. Reid said no. So for that reason alone,<\/em> we shall continue, but they have to go slow in their dealings, they can\u2019t praise us a great deal, and yet we do appear in the press, because uh, the United States wanted us back<\/em> to the\u2013 to show their wrath on, because we were the only people that ever made it out of fascist USA. They wanted us dismantled and destroyed<\/em> and uh, he told us absolutely the same thing, and then it was confirmed yesterday by [Carl] Blackman<\/em> of the [Guyana] Chronicle <\/em>and [Harry] Harewood<\/em> of uh, Radio Demerara. So the Soviet Union knows what it\u2019s talkin\u2019 about. And\u2013 and he said\u2013 he said\u2013 he told us a clever little way that the US Embassy works, one that acts like he\u2019s a very good friend of ours, and has<\/em> reported things when people have done things here that were wrong, but just two sides against the middle. He said how would you do\u2013 he said how would you feel if you had a thousand Baptists all uh, sexual molesters? (Pause) He said now anybody knew\u2013 he said uh, he\u2013 he didn\u2019t know how much I knew about Peoples Temple. But he said the obvious <\/em>reference of the US Embassy official was thousand Peoples Temple, referring to them as sexual molesters of children. He said how\u2013 how would you do if you had a thousand Methodists? How would you feel? He said he didn\u2019t say a word about Peoples Temple. He just said it that way. Clever, intelligence, espionage. You know, he said to him at a uh\u2013 at a uh, Peoples National Congress celebration, just come up to him, and just chattin\u2019 over cocktails, tryin\u2019\u2013 he said he didn\u2019t know\u2013 he said that I knew Peoples Temple better than he<\/em> did. But they were not<\/em> child molesters. That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s \u2013 See how evil<\/em> the system is? How many\u2013 How many just heard what I just said? Said how would you feel, Com\u2013 he said how would you feel, Minister, Ambassador, Consular, how would you feel if you had a thousand Methodist child molesters? That\u2019s all he said. He said that I knew automatically he was trying to plant in my<\/em> head that Peoples Temple was a thousand child molesters. You got a wicked country<\/em> to deal with.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It\u2019s a wicked<\/em> country, honey. And he\u2013 he told me a lot more that I\u2019m not telling you, too. You better thank your stars we hit here. \u2019Cause their intelligence\u2013 and they\u2013 they set up intelligence so closely that\u2013 that if anything ever attempts to happen, they will contact us by Morse code at various frequencies all over that band. Night or day. We\u2019ll be contacted. So that we will not ever be cut off or anything done with us\u2013 and he said an attack or a move<\/em> against us is a move against the Soviet Union. (Pause) That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s heavy talk.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Man 1:<\/strong> \u2013from a fishing trip yesterday. He said you\u2019re now entering the first American socialist territory in the world.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s the way he feels. That\u2019s exactly the way he feels. He feels even stronger. But when you put the whole apparatus\u2013 that\u2019s what we\u2019re referring to, he said some kind word, and I didn\u2019t want to embarrass him, last evening. I said, he gave me something\u2013 he put me at rest<\/em> about my people\u2019s future. That\u2019s what he said, put me at rest. \u2019Cause it takes time<\/em> to build a process of movement. But he said a move<\/em> against the people (tape failure) \u2013 into craters. We didn\u2019t have a bomb dropped on here for every person. We\u2019re going to have to get more motivated to be communists than we are. Okay. The situation is tabled for the moment. Hmm? What, uh\u2013 Look my way. When I\u2019m talking to somebody else, don\u2019t you dare<\/em> come up near me.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (too soft.)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now I mean, don\u2019t dare<\/em> come near me.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (too soft.)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I mean it, now, one reverend, better listen to me, \u2018cause I don\u2019t want to embarrass seniors, but I will<\/em> the next time I do\u2013 When I\u2019m talking, when I\u2019ve got a group of people, don\u2019t you come near<\/em> me. Don\u2019t you come near<\/em> me. I\u2019ve had enough<\/em> of this (unintelligible) (tape edit) (second track below first) We don\u2019t want people killed. We\u2019ve had people killed too many times. We don\u2019t want to see<\/em> war. That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s a noble\u2013 noble quest. People should do all in their power<\/em> to try to avoid war, even though we know<\/em> the likelihood of it. Even though he<\/em> knows and they\u2019ve got (tape edit) situation (unintelligible) rain, they ought to be there with some umbrellas to provide. I should never, ever get wet because of the conditions that are in my body. Mmm? I\u2019ve taken so much into my body to heal others. All right. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013English for ten<\/em> days, and then they all know how to speak English. That\u2019s what we ought to do here. We get another\u2013 we get a little Russian in, I say we\u2019re doing nothin\u2019, you can\u2019t get a damn thing if you ask for something in English, you won\u2019t get a damn thing done, we ought to require nothin\u2019 but Russian for ten days and you\u2019ll see<\/em> how much Russian you\u2019d be talkin\u2019. I know<\/em> some of you folk, you had to ask for your food in Russian, you would be talkin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (tape edit) (second track ends) The Soviet Union grants the right of asylum \u2013 that means the right to live peacefully, to be taken into their country and protected \u2013 to foreigners persecuted for defending the interests of the working people and the cause of peace or for participation in any revolutionary and national liberation movement or for progressive, social, political, scientific or other creative activity.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And what I\u2019d like to know is why in the hell Angela Davis and Albert Kahn, Dr. Kahn, author Kahn, Communist Party USA, and Charles Garry didn\u2019t know anything about that when they told it\u2013 when I wanted to go to Russia to begin with (unintelligible word). Bunch of damn\u2013 I think some of them are agents, that\u2019s what I think. That\u2019s what I told him last night, and he didn\u2019t deny it.<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/strong> Okay, the jury said\u2013<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(tape edit) (unintelligible string of sentences) make you pissed (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> Okay, look, it\u2019s almost two o\u2019clock in the morning. Maybe the jury can re\u2013 uh, reach a decision as a result of all of this good factual information they\u2019ve got.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> Ask ol\u2019 Dale [Parks]. Ask ol\u2019 Dale, you don\u2019t know what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about.<\/p>\n

Girl: <\/strong>Do you know what he\u2019s talkin\u2019 about?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Laughter, chatter)<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/strong> Okay, how many witnesses (unintelligible phrase) you want to go back to the States?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What\u2019d he say?<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> I mean I\u2013 he\u2019s\u2013 he\u2019s\u2013 he\u2019s spoken to me confidentially about\u2013 now what he took Father literally, when Father was tellin\u2019 that these people that want to go back so bad, he said, well, after all the people get here, you can get your money and go back or swim back or any way you go. But he<\/em> took Father literally<\/em> that\u2013 he took that and\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) He can. By the time we get ready\u2013 and all our people get ready to go back, he can float<\/em> back.<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> That\u2019s what you told him. And he took it\u2013 he took it\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) I mean that seriously.<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019m not playin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> By the time we get ready to go, by the time we get our people back, it\u2019ll be past nine months, and by that time he can float back.<\/p>\n

Man 2: <\/strong>Mm-hmm [yes], and then\u2013 and he said it in a way that he\u2013 he\u2013 he was goin\u2019 back to visit for a couple of weeks and come back. Now that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s the extent of him goin\u2019 back\u2013 He had no\u2013 no anarchy or nothin\u2019 about it or he was gonna go on his own or anything. If that\u2019s the way that he meant it, I mean, whether it\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) One man better stay close to the body.<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> I spoke that a-way \u2019cause I figured he was gonna run him out.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> So I spoke it that a-way.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>They all run your mouth and they\u2019re all talkin\u2019 and they\u2019re all nosey.<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) But the fact is, when you got here, you couldn\u2019t hardly move.<\/em><\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right!<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> That\u2019s right, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Old Man: <\/strong>I told him.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> He said, I really want to get away<\/em> from here, and by Christmas I will be gone.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That may be true. (more emphatic) That may be true. (Pause) By Christmas, do you want to be gone?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> Well\u2013 (stammers)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>By Christmas, do you want to be gone?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> (stammers)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (emphatic) By Christmas, do you want to be gone?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> I would ask you, could I go home to make a trip to see my people?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (more calmly) By Christmas, you\u2019d like to be gone?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> I would like to make a round trip ticket\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(interrupting) By Christmas\u2013 (voice rises throughout) I\u2019m asking you one<\/em> question. You have listened here many times to what I\u2019ve said, and I do not intend now to repeat<\/em> myself. I have established myself on this proposition unequivocally clear, and I\u2019ve now moved<\/em> from an administrative socialist office into the office of savior. Do you want to be able to go home \u2013 what you call home \u2013 by Christmas?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> No, no, I don\u2019t intend it until I see your people get here \u2018fore I could try to go home. (Pause) You said when you get all the folks\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) It\u2019s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of a living.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered voices) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now, you find this humorous, I\u2019m now in the office. I have the power<\/em> to send you home by Christmas, but it\u2019s not on Trans World Airlines. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Old Man: <\/strong>They just take anything and make a big thing out of it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calls out) That\u2019s not a big thing! That\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>!<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> Well\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Cries out) It\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>!<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> (under Jones) \u2013come to you\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>! It\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>! It\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>! They may find good<\/em> humor in your much badgerings\u2013 I do not. It\u2019s blasphemy <\/em>to talk about going back when you have not been given any approval.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> When there\u2019d been no s\u2013 even no s\u2013 requests or even any mandate made. (Pause) Now, if I cease meditating for you, you won\u2019t need to go home. (Pause) Do you understand how many things are wrong with you? Blindness faces you early. Death<\/em> faces you early by liver. Death<\/em> faces you early through diabetes. Death<\/em> faces you early through your kidneys. Do you want to go home?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(quiet) Well, then be seated and shut your mouth and don\u2019t be in my face any more. To have freedom, and for the sake of those who have ears, we have o\u2013 opportunities to go many places, Africa, all sorts of places. You understand what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So, knowledge of the news\u2013 We\u2019re gonna have that knowledge of the news. In the future, when anyone comes, by the way, put up your hands. Wisdom will be used, and wisdom will be justified<\/em>, but all<\/em> put up your hands as if you have some knowledge. You understand?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You will not be called upon to be embarrassed. Because it\u2019ll be directed as to who<\/i> shall be called. Whether I do it by mind or whether I do it by mouth or whether I do it by letter, it shall be directed. You will not be called to be ignorant in front of the guests. Do you understand?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And there were too<\/i> few of you that didn\u2019t put up your hands, and many of you knew que\u2013 answers to questions, didn\u2019t bother to put up your hands, and you should put up your hands when you have guests, whether you do know or don\u2019t know. You understand?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Pause) There\u2019ll be no danger of them being called on, unless they know. Do you hear what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If you put up your hand and don\u2019t know, there will be no danger<\/i> of you being called upon unless you know. (Pause) Resolved, in an organization, there has to be structure because that same<\/i> organization gives you your salvation. That same organization has sent people like Mom Jackson [Luvenia Jackson], here, who was given up to die<\/i> with cancer four years ago\u2013 sent her clear to another nation and resolved it, and when the doctor said there<\/i> there was no hope, I healed her, and she\u2019s walkin\u2019 around here, fit as a fiddle.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Applause) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>: So you have to follow the rules of the organization. Right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Turn and give your neighbor three miracles. That\u2019s what keeps the faith. (tape edit) That song, learn to be able sing it upon command\u2013 We\u2019ll put \u201cGod\u201d in it, if it were necessary, if we have the right person here. You understand? \u201cAmerica, America, Socialism shed thy grace upon thee. And crown<\/i> whatever good you have with brotherhood \u2013 you need it badly \u2013 from sea to shouning sea.\u201d (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Organ plays \u201cAmerica, the Beautiful\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (sings) \u2013for spacious (tape edit) for amber waves of grain\/ For purple mountain majesties\/ Above the fruited plain! America! America!\/ Socialism have thy grace on thee\/ And crown thy good with brotherhood\/ From sea to shining sea! (speaks) Sing it again. (sings) Oh\u2013 (tape edit) (speaks) The American people?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The American continent?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, we don\u2019t like to think of it becoming a desert wasteland, prophetic as I\u2019ve seen it. And I\u2019ve seen the cities melt before my eyes. I remember the first time I saw it. The city of Indianapolis, Indiana, in a prophetic vision. It\u2019s not\u2013 It\u2019s not the American people or the American country, it\u2019s landscape that we\u2019re opposed to, it\u2019s the system<\/i>, the false system that does not represent the people. We represent the people, so we can sing it. (Sings) \u201cAmerica, America\u201d\u2013 (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (with organ playing softly in background) You have all kinds of examples. You can go back through the audience, you can talk to Rose Peterson, when the doctors in Georgetown gave her up to die with cancer. You can talk to [David Betts Jackson] Pops Jackson\u2019s wife, Mom Jackson, and find when she was given up with cancer. They\u2019re all through this place here today. How many miracles have happened since you been here? How many miracles? Lift your hands. (Pause) That\u2019s enough. I can\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t want to remember them all. The explosion that blew this place and sounded like an atomic bomb, blew Tommy Beikman into blindness, into a broken mess of flesh and broken bone and lifeless form. So, we don\u2019t have to talk about the miracles, but you better think on them. Bless your neighbor and sing \u201cHave Faith in Your God.\u201d (Sings) \u201cFaith in Your God\u2013\u201d (tape edit)<\/p>\n

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Part II<\/strong><\/p>\n

(Editor\u2019s note: This section repeats a portion of Part I of the tape; text in red font is missing from first part, likely due to tape failure. Text in black matches text from Part I)<\/i><\/p>\n

Man 1:<\/strong> \u2013from a fishing trip yesterday. He said you\u2019re now entering the first American socialist territory in the world.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s the way he feels. That\u2019s exactly the way he feels. He (unintelligible word) stronger. When you put the whole apparatus\u2013 that\u2019s what we\u2019re referring to, he said with some kind word, and I didn\u2019t want to embarrass him, last evening. I said he gave me something\u2013 he put me at rest<\/i> about my people\u2019s future. That\u2019s what he said, put me at rest. \u2019Cause it takes time<\/i> to build a process of movement. But he said a move against the people here will be a move against the entire<\/i> Soviet government. That point has already been achieved in our relations. And he said, that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s\u2013 uh, that\u2019s power, that\u2019s power.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2019Cause then the USA doesn\u2019t like to move against the Soviet Union when she gets\u2013 she goes to a certain point, she\u2019s gonna kick Tass out and uh, the Soviet Union said we will stop the SALT talks, we will stop Strategic Arm Limitation Talks<\/i>, and USA quit talkin\u2019 about kickin\u2019 Tass out. \u2018Cause USA is mighty concerned over the advanced missile systems and all them damn space satellites they\u2019ve got. But he definitely told us some stuff. He said a lot of stuff, too. He\u2013 By the way, let\u2019s follow up on the debugging stuff he said. He said, they get out there in the woods and they put little metal instruments on\u2013 on us, far out, and tape everything we say here. Say, he don\u2019t care, he don\u2019t care. He does not care that the United States knows that he is our friend<\/i>. That\u2019s why I\u2019m not going to say<\/i> certain things here, because we<\/i> may not be the only ones listening.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They found<\/i> bugs. And you know how many times Do\u2013 (tape edit; pause) surveillance-minded that you have to have debugging. He told me a lots of things that I\u2019m not telling you o\u2013 out here. He is definitely a friend<\/i>, and we want to maintain it that way. (pause) That\u2019s why I appreciated the uh, the hardy response from the brothers to do little thing about hair and beards, so forth. Now what\u2013 uh, what is going to be done\u2013 who\u2019s going to take the three children? (tape edit) \u2013would be here. But, the point is that we have had this undue<\/i> rain ten times more than they\u2019ve had in\u2013 in\u2013 in\u2013 in\u2013 in the years\u2013 in ten years, I mean. It\u2019s the worst in ten years. The worst we\u2019ve had in ten years. So we want to get that\u2013 and it will be straightened out. It will<\/i> be straightened out. All things straightened out. If we believe. Do you believe still?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We\u2019re eating and we\u2019ve done well, we\u2019ve produced well, but there\u2019s much more (Stumbles over words) they\u2019re be more room for improvement. Tomorrow will be a CAAO meeting, and I suggest also that Steering be involved in it because of some priorities that have to be decided. We can\u2019t do it tonight. (unintelligible) What hour will it meet? (tape edit) into craters. We didn\u2019t have a bomb dropped on here for every person. We\u2019re going to have to get more motivated to be communists than we are. Okay. The situation is tabled for the moment. Hmm? What, uh\u2013 Look my way. When I\u2019m talking to somebody else, don\u2019t you dare <\/i>come up near me.<\/p>\n

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Part III <\/strong><\/p>\n

(Editor\u2019s note: This section repeats a portion of Part I) <\/i><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You will<\/i> though, you will though. You\u2019ll be sick one day. You\u2019ll be sick one day. (Pause) And when you get your ass in a hospital and don\u2019t\u2013 can\u2019t afford the\u2013 the nurse, can\u2019t afford somebody to watch. You say, I been in the hospital and I didn\u2019t have nothin\u2019 but welfare. And you don\u2019t know how close you may\u2019ve come to losing your life, either.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> All they\u2019re moving against the welfare. Proposition 13\u2019s already cut back all<\/em> Medi-Cal, Medic-Aid in California. Better listen now, I\u2019m reviewing the news a little bit. I want to\u2013 I\u2019m going to give the answers to the questions too, give me the answers to the questions\u2013 the questions tonight. Got a reason for that. Uh, now J\u2013 Jarvis-Gann [reference to Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann, the co-authors of Proposition 13] and\u2013 and Mayor [Frank] Rizzo has proposed an entire<\/em> federal plan for the entire United States to cut back all<\/em> property taxes. There\u2019ll be no way to fund the schools. That means people\u2019ll have to set up private<\/em> schools. Who\u2019s going to go to school? The rich. The poor will have to go to work in sweatshops. They\u2019ll be put in\u2013 in uh, uh, garment factories, or p\u2013 put in concentration camps \u2019cause they don\u2019t need any workers. They can\u2019t even employ their adults<\/em>. And I mean, this is a real fact<\/em> of life, and some of you talk about, well, I want to go back to the United States, but the United States isn\u2019t what it was<\/em> when you left it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>(Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s a changed<\/em> United States. You\u2013 When you left the United States, it had five and a half billion dollars in California treasury. Today it\u2019s not got a penny one. \u2019Cause they had to spend it on all their budget, \u2018cause the damned fools cut back taxes. For who? Who? The poor? No. The people\u2013 the only people that really benefited anything from it were people who made over $40,000 a year. Did you ever make over $40,000 a year?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Okay, then shut up about America. (Pause) Okay, shift again, please. Now\u2013 (tape edit) uh, he thinks that the Soviet\u2013 he thinks that the uh\u2013 and Norman pointed out to me the featuring of high flying objects\u2013 uh, high flying objects\u2013 the Soviet Union said they are satisfied<\/em> that the CIA is cloud-seeding Guyana. They\u2019re cloud-seeding to get too much rain to try to screw their harvest up like they did\u2013 the the Cubans twice<\/em> in a row, twice\u2013 two years in a row. He said\u2013 and he gave us the\u2013 he gave us the most secret of secret information. He said, it hadn\u2019t been for Dr. [Ptolemy] Reid, he said they \u2013 the United States \u2013 demanded<\/em> of Guyana that they would get no<\/em> aid until we were kicked<\/em> out and made to return to the United States. And Dr. Reid said no. So for that reason alone,<\/em> we shall continue, but they have to go slow in their dealings, they can\u2019t praise us a great deal, and yet we do appear in the press, because uh, the United States wanted us back<\/em> to the\u2013 to show their wrath on, because we were the only people that ever made it out of fascist USA. They wanted us dismantled and destroyed<\/em> and uh, he told us absolutely the same thing, and then it was confirmed yesterday by Blackman<\/em> of the Chronicle <\/em>and [Harry] Harewood<\/em> of uh, Radio Demerara. So the Soviet Union knows what it\u2019s talkin\u2019 about. And\u2013 and he said\u2013 he said\u2013 he told us a clever little way that the US Embassy works, one that acts like he\u2019s a very good friend of ours, and has<\/em> reported things when people have done things here that were wrong, but just two sides against the middle. He said how would you do\u2013 he said how would you feel if you had a thousand Baptists all uh, sexual molesters? (Pause) He said now anybody knew\u2013 he said uh, he\u2013 he didn\u2019t know how much I knew about Peoples Temple. But he said the obvious <\/em>reference of the US Embassy official was thousand Peoples Temple, referring to them as sexual molesters of children. He said how\u2013 how would you do if you had a thousand Methodists? How would you feel? He said he didn\u2019t say a word about Peoples Temple. He just said it that way. Clever, intelligence, espionage. You know, he said to him at a uh\u2013 at a uh, Peoples National Congress celebration, just come up to him, and just chattin\u2019 over cocktails, tryin\u2019\u2013 he said he didn\u2019t know\u2013 he said that I knew Peoples Temple better than he<\/em> did. But they were not<\/em> child molesters. That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s \u2013 See how evil<\/em> the system is? How many\u2013 How many just heard what I just said? Said how would you feel, Com\u2013 he said how would you feel, Minister, Ambassador, Consular, how would you feel if you had a thousand Methodist child molesters? That\u2019s all he said. He said that I knew automatically he was trying to plant in my<\/em> head that Peoples Temple was a thousand child molesters. You got a wicked country<\/em> to deal with.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>It\u2019s a wicked<\/em> country, honey. And he\u2013 he told me a lot more that I\u2019m not telling you, too. You better thank your stars we hit here. \u2019Cause their intelligence\u2013 and they\u2013 they set up intelligence so closely that\u2013 that if anything ever attempts to happen, they will contact us by Morse code at various frequencies all over that band. Night or day. We\u2019ll be contacted. So that we will not ever be cut off or anything done with us\u2013 and he said an attack or a move<\/em> against us is a move against the Soviet Union. (Pause) That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s heavy talk.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Man 1:<\/strong> \u2013from a fishing trip yesterday. He said you\u2019re now entering the first American socialist territory in the world.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s the way he feels. That\u2019s exactly the way he feels. He feels even stronger. But when you put the whole apparatus\u2013 that\u2019s what we\u2019re referring to, he said some kind word, and I didn\u2019t want to embarrass him, last evening. I said, he gave me something\u2013 he put me at rest<\/em> about my people\u2019s future. That\u2019s what he said, put me at rest. \u2019Cause it takes time<\/em> to build a process of movement. But he said a move<\/em> against the people (tape failure) \u2013 into craters. We didn\u2019t have a bomb dropped on here for every person. We\u2019re going to have to get more motivated to be communists than we are. Okay. The situation is tabled for the moment. Hmm? What, uh\u2013 Look my way. When I\u2019m talking to somebody else, don\u2019t you dare<\/em> come up near me.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (too soft.)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now I mean, don\u2019t dare<\/em> come near me.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (too soft.)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I mean it, now, one reverend, better listen to me, \u2018cause I don\u2019t want to embarrass seniors, but I will<\/em> the next time I do\u2013 When I\u2019m talking, when I\u2019ve got a group of people, don\u2019t you come near<\/em> me. Don\u2019t you come near<\/em> me. I\u2019ve had enough<\/em> of this (unintelligible) (tape edit) (second track below first) We don\u2019t want people killed. We\u2019ve had people killed too many times. We don\u2019t want to see<\/em> war. That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s a noble\u2013 noble quest. People should do all in their power<\/em> to try to avoid war, even though we know<\/em> the likelihood of it. Even though he<\/em> knows and they\u2019ve got (tape edit) situation (unintelligible) rain, they ought to be there with some umbrellas to provide. I should never, ever get wet because of the conditions that are in my body. Mmm? I\u2019ve taken so much into my body to heal others. All right. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013English for ten<\/em> days, and then they all know how to speak English. That\u2019s what we ought to do here. We get another\u2013 we get a little Russian in, I say we\u2019re doing nothin\u2019, you can\u2019t get a damn thing if you ask for something in English, you won\u2019t get a damn thing done, we ought to require nothin\u2019 but Russian for ten days and you\u2019ll see<\/em> how much Russian you\u2019d be talkin\u2019. I know<\/em> some of you folk, you had to ask for your food in Russian, you would be talkin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (tape edit) (second track ends) The Soviet Union grants the right of asylum \u2013 that means the right to live peacefully, to be taken into their country and protected \u2013 to foreigners persecuted for defending the interests of the working people and the cause of peace or for participation in any revolutionary and national liberation movement or for progressive, social, political, scientific or other creative activity.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And what I\u2019d like to know is why in the hell Angela Davis and Albert Kahn, Dr. Kahn, author Kahn, Communist Party USA, and Charles Garry didn\u2019t know anything about that when they told it\u2013 when I wanted to go to Russia to begin with (unintelligible word). Bunch of damn\u2013 I think some of them are agents, that\u2019s what I think. That\u2019s what I told him last night, and he didn\u2019t deny it.<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/strong> Okay, the jury said\u2013<\/p>\n

Male: <\/strong>(tape edit) (unintelligible string of sentences) make you pissed (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> Okay, look, it\u2019s almost two o\u2019clock in the morning. Maybe the jury can re\u2013 uh, reach a decision as a result of all of this good factual information they\u2019ve got.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> Ask ol\u2019 Dale [Parks]. Ask ol\u2019 Dale, you don\u2019t know what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about.<\/p>\n

Girl: <\/strong>Do you know what he\u2019s talkin\u2019 about?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Laughter, chatter)<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/strong> Okay, how many witnesses (unintelligible phrase) you want to go back to the States?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What\u2019d he say?<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> I mean I\u2013 he\u2019s\u2013 he\u2019s\u2013 he\u2019s spoken to me confidentially about\u2013 now what he took Father literally, when Father was tellin\u2019 that these people that want to go back so bad, he said, well, after all the people get here, you can get your money and go back or swim back or any way you go. But he<\/em> took Father literally<\/em> that\u2013 he took that and\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) He can. By the time we get ready\u2013 and all our people get ready to go back, he can float<\/em> back.<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> That\u2019s what you told him. And he took it\u2013 he took it\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) I mean that seriously.<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>I\u2019m not playin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> By the time we get ready to go, by the time we get our people back, it\u2019ll be past nine months, and by that time he can float back.<\/p>\n

Man 2: <\/strong>Mm-hmm [yes], and then\u2013 and he said it in a way that he\u2013 he\u2013 he was goin\u2019 back to visit for a couple of weeks and come back. Now that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s the extent of him goin\u2019 back\u2013 He had no\u2013 no anarchy or nothin\u2019 about it or he was gonna go on his own or anything. If that\u2019s the way that he meant it, I mean, whether it\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) One man better stay close to the body.<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> I spoke that a-way \u2019cause I figured he was gonna run him out.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> So I spoke it that a-way.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>They all run your mouth and they\u2019re all talkin\u2019 and they\u2019re all nosey.<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) But the fact is, when you got here, you couldn\u2019t hardly move.<\/em><\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right!<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> That\u2019s right, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Old Man: <\/strong>I told him.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> He said, I really want to get away<\/em> from here, and by Christmas I will be gone.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That may be true. (more emphatic) That may be true. (Pause) By Christmas, do you want to be gone?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> Well\u2013 (stammers)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>By Christmas, do you want to be gone?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> (stammers)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (emphatic) By Christmas, do you want to be gone?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> I would ask you, could I go home to make a trip to see my people?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (more calmly) By Christmas, you\u2019d like to be gone?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> I would like to make a round trip ticket\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(interrupting) By Christmas\u2013 (voice rises throughout) I\u2019m asking you one<\/em> question. You have listened here many times to what I\u2019ve said, and I do not intend now to repeat<\/em> myself. I have established myself on this proposition unequivocally clear, and I\u2019ve now moved<\/em> from an administrative socialist office into the office of savior. Do you want to be able to go home \u2013 what you call home \u2013 by Christmas?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> No, no, I don\u2019t intend it until I see your people get here \u2018fore I could try to go home. (Pause) You said when you get all the folks\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupting) It\u2019s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of a living.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Scattered voices) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now, you find this humorous, I\u2019m now in the office. I have the power<\/em> to send you home by Christmas, but it\u2019s not on Trans World Airlines. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Old Man: <\/strong>They just take anything and make a big thing out of it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calls out) That\u2019s not a big thing! That\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>!<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> Well\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Cries out) It\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>!<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> (under Jones) \u2013come to you\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>! It\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>! It\u2019s blasphemy<\/em>! They may find good<\/em> humor in your much badgerings\u2013 I do not. It\u2019s blasphemy <\/em>to talk about going back when you have not been given any approval.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/strong>Right!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> When there\u2019d been no s\u2013 even no s\u2013 requests or even any mandate made. (Pause) Now, if I cease meditating for you, you won\u2019t need to go home. (Pause) Do you understand how many things are wrong with you? Blindness faces you early. Death<\/em> faces you early by liver. Death<\/em> faces you early through diabetes. Death<\/em> faces you early through your kidneys. Do you want to go home?<\/p>\n

Old Man:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>(quiet) Well, then be seated and shut your mouth and don\u2019t be in my face any more. To have freedom, and for the sake of those who have ears, we have o\u2013 opportunities to go many places, Africa, all sorts of places. You understand what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So, knowledge of the news\u2013 We\u2019re gonna have that knowledge of the news. In the future, when anyone comes, by the way, put up your hands. Wisdom will be used, and wisdom will be justified<\/em>, but all<\/em> put up your hands as if you have some knowledge. You understand?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You will not be called upon to be embarrassed. Because it\u2019ll be directed as to who<\/i> shall be called. Whether I do it by mind or whether I do it by mouth or whether I do it by letter, it shall be directed. You will not be called to be ignorant in front of the guests. Do you understand?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And there were too<\/i> few of you that didn\u2019t put up your hands, and many of you knew que\u2013 answers to questions, didn\u2019t bother to put up your hands, and you should put up your hands when you have guests, whether you do know or don\u2019t know. You understand?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Pause) There\u2019ll be no danger of them being called on, unless they know. Do you hear what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If you put up your hand and don\u2019t know, there will be no danger<\/i> of you being called upon unless you know. (Pause) Resolved, in an organization, there has to be structure because that same<\/i> organization gives you your salvation. That same organization has sent people like Mom Jackson [Luvenia Jackson], here, who was given up to die<\/i> with cancer four years ago\u2013 sent her clear to another nation and resolved it, and when the doctor said there<\/i> there was no hope, I healed her, and she\u2019s walkin\u2019 around here, fit as a fiddle.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Applause) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>: So you have to follow the rules of the organization. Right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Turn and give your neighbor three miracles. That\u2019s what keeps the faith. (tape edit) That song, learn to be able sing it upon command\u2013 We\u2019ll put \u201cGod\u201d in it, if it were necessary, if we have the right person here. You understand? \u201cAmerica, America, Socialism shed thy grace upon thee. And crown<\/i> whatever good you have with brotherhood \u2013 you need it badly \u2013 from sea to shouning sea.\u201d (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Organ plays \u201cAmerica, the Beautiful\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (sings) \u2013for spacious (tape edit) for amber waves of grain\/ For purple mountain majesties\/ Above the fruited plain! America! America!\/ Socialism have thy grace on thee\/ And crown thy good with brotherhood\/ From sea to shining sea! (speaks) Sing it again. (sings) Oh\u2013 (tape edit) (speaks) The American people?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The American continent?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, we don\u2019t like to think of it becoming a desert wasteland, prophetic as I\u2019ve seen it. And I\u2019ve seen the cities melt before my eyes. I remember the first time I saw it. The city of Indianapolis, Indiana, in a prophetic vision. It\u2019s not\u2013 It\u2019s not the American people or the American country, it\u2019s landscape that we\u2019re opposed to, it\u2019s the system<\/i>, the false system that does not represent the people. We represent the people, so we can sing it. (Sings) \u201cAmerica, America\u201d\u2013 (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (with organ playing softly in background) You have all kinds of examples. You can go back through the audience, you can talk to Rose Peterson, when the doctors in Georgetown gave her up to die with cancer. You can talk to [David Betts Jackson] Pops Jackson\u2019s wife, Mom Jackson, and find when she was given up with cancer. They\u2019re all through this place here today. How many miracles have happened since you been here? How many miracles? Lift your hands. (Pause) That\u2019s enough. I can\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t want to remember them all. The explosion that blew this place and sounded like an atomic bomb, blew Tommy Beikman into blindness, into a broken mess of flesh and broken bone and lifeless form. So, we don\u2019t have to talk about the miracles, but you better think on them. Bless your neighbor and sing \u201cHave Faith in Your God.\u201d (Sings) \u201cFaith in Your God\u2013\u201d (tape edit)<\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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