{"id":27473,"date":"2013-06-16T00:20:22","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:20:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27473"},"modified":"2015-05-06T00:02:12","modified_gmt":"2015-05-06T00:02:12","slug":"q588","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27473","title":{"rendered":"Q588 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Concerned) \u2014all of the kind of probing that must be done, have a quick review, while she\u2019s there, who\u2019s going with her. I think it\u2019d be interesting just to stop by the police and have a friendly chat, and just see if Port Kaituma airstrip is being, if anybody\u2014 if it can casually be mentioned, so we thought we might have a\u2014 we might have a charter coming in today\u2014 (Pause) No, I\u2019d rather not. I\u2019d like you to help, if you could. If it\u2019s necessary, all right.<\/p>\n

Voice of male too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You gotta be kind of savvy, though. To say, well, we\u2014 we thought a charter of doctors might be coming in today, you know. Have you heard anything we\u2019ve not been able to confirm? Our radio\u2019s out. That\u2019s a good thing. (Pause) Our radio\u2019s out, and have you heard anything about a charter coming in\u2014 that way we know if the land lies. If they\u2019re\u2014 they\u2019re planning anything on the airstrip. No\u2014 Nobody would ever dare invade here by helicopter, I don\u2019t think. I think, \u2019cause it\u2019s too easy to knock their only means of helicopter, and we could knock \u2018em all out. What helicopters they have in the country, we could knock them out.<\/p>\n

Voice of male too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, they\u2019d know the boat, say they might be coming by boat, that a good point. But you gotta be very cool about this. (Pause) Maybe Paula [Adams] can make\u2014 maybe she can\u2014she\u2019s had a lot of savvy dealing with these people, she probably ought to do it. (Pause) (Unintelligible name), don\u2019t you agree? (Unintelligible question)<\/p>\n

Voice of male too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who\u2019s going to divert? Somebody\u2019s gotta be clever to divert while she\u2019s doing all that talking on the telephone. (Pause) (More even) Sorry to set such a serious tone, but if there was ever an invasion, it\u2019d be an ideal time for an attempted takeover by uh, the fascists\u2019 direct takeover. This\u2019d be the ideal time, with the prime minister and the uh, the prime-minister to be, Hubert Jack [Guyana Minister of Energy and Natural Resources], who\u2019s a friend of ours, I mean friendly, never done anything unfriendly, helped get our bulldozers when nobody else could get them fixed for us, and processed different things, he and the foreign minister, all of them in the Soviet Union, and they\u2019ll be gone for two weeks<\/i>. That\u2019s why we got a loooong time of wondering. (Pause) And (stumbles for words) this is the st\u2014 second day of the 12-day journey. (Pause) And if you\u2019ll<\/i> study your history, more military takeovers take place while leaders are out of the country than (Firm) any other time. So you can just\u2014 at least you call anything other than the risks they\u2019re there. I don\u2019t think that means the ends of us<\/i>. I still think we have negotiating power, if people have sanity<\/i>. I do<\/i> think we have to get down to making it frank<\/i> uh, a frank interpretation of our will<\/i>, if it has not been communicated, and I think it has, to some degree. But we\u2019ve have to be sure that it\u2019s been communicated to every last one of the existing cabinet, both socialist and potential CIA or fascist. (Pause) Because that\u2019s all that\u2019ll keep their bastards away, is the will of the people to resist to the last man, woman and child. (Pause) And I think that\u2019s\u2014\u00a0I think that\u2019s a negotiable commodity, uh, in their<\/i> eyes. That\u2019s the way they look at it. We\u2019re just commodities to capitalists, and we may\u2014 But we represent bodies, bodies of power and action that can embarrass<\/i> them in the world arena<\/i>. So if a fascist coup took over, that doesn\u2019t mean we immediately are going to be attacked<\/i>. Which is always possible, that some people are so insane with narcissism that they might think they could get by with it. And that\u2019s what we need to talk about. Things that are really reasonable, and pertain to our revolutionary significance, our survival, in that order<\/i>. If we\u2019re really communists, we first concern ourselves about our revolutionary purpose<\/i>, and then secondarily our survival. (Pause) The temptation in a world without principle is for me to put it in reverse order. And I think there\u2019s an emotional position that I do take to that degree, that I put survival first and revolutionary perspective second, because I kn\u2014\u00a0I know that I\u2019m the most revolutionary, the most conscientious, the most dedicated\u2014 (Tape goes silent for several seconds) \u2014 but, whatever. I, I\u2019ll, I\u2019ll be putting a strong emphasis upon survival, because as I see it, our revolutionary impact at this time and survival are somewhat interconnected<\/i>. I mean our death<\/i> lends itself to misinterpretation quicker than our life<\/i>, and that, yet, some of you have got relatives that are determined they\u2019re going to visit here, and some of you are not emotionally geared to them not coming. We gotta talk about that. There\u2019s still conflict here about the relatives coming in here. Worst thing could happen is for your relatives to visit until we have total peace.<\/p>\n

Crowd reaction.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019ll assure\u2014\u00a0It\u2019ll assure a White Night, as certain as hell. And if they\u2019re caught in the middle of it, what the hell then. It\u2019s all<\/i> over. (Pause) Now, you people who have\u2014 have relatives and ask me the question, should they come or should they not come, you need to weigh<\/i> this shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And you got then\u2014 then those who have not<\/i> asked me, like Mr. and Mrs. Moton, whose daughter\u2019s coming, we should consider, what will she do? Will she stay? She\u2019s been friendly. What the fuck if a White Night happens while she\u2019s here<\/i>? (Pause) Her child\u2019s here. She\u2019s been in the movement. We got to decide<\/i> these things. We got to talk them out, and we\u2019ll need to t\u2014\u00a0tap the Motons\u2019 mind very strongly, because I think, she\u2019s one of their early<\/i> ones do. Did you write a letter trying to\u2014 tempt to postpone it till the fall?<\/p>\n

Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She\u2019s a nice<\/i> woman. I stayed in her home, but this is\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s one hell of a step from our socialist program back there to stepping into this revolutionary kind of a White Night situation. I think she can make<\/i> it if she got no attachments. I think a lot<\/i> of people can make it, they got no attachments down there, undue attachments. Her communiqu\u00e9 was one that j\u2014 didn\u2019t want the child to come back, she wanted to come here to visit here<\/i>. But we can always have to look for subtle messages and see if there\u2019s anything behind it, because anybody can be deceived, used, manipulated\u2014 your child, my child, anybody\u2019s child. So we need to discuss that, put that on the agenda. Anybody\u2014 who else\u2019s family was it that was coming? I told frank-ass<\/i> no to one of you sisters, \u2018cause I don\u2019t even know<\/i> your people, so it\u2019s a frank ass no.<\/p>\n

Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who? Yvette Muldrow\u2019s mother and, uh, shit \u2014\u00a0what is it? \u2014 Sandra\u2019s [Elois Christine Cobb]. (Struggles for words) She\u2019s due when?<\/p>\n

Woman: The 20th of April.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ain\u2019t this the shits. (Pause) 20th of April. Well, we have to talk about them first<\/i>. We\u2019ll have to talk about her the first. I don\u2019t know her from apple butter, in terms of consciousness. I do<\/i> know the Motons\u2019 daughter, I stayed with her for some days, and she seemed to be open<\/i> at that time<\/i>. And she of course has sent her son here, who\u2019s lived with us for nearly a year, will<\/i> be a year then. But it\u2019s a significant thing to think<\/i> about. (Pause) Do we meet them\u2014 Where do we meet them, if they do come? Do we vacation them in uh, Georgetown, what the hell do we do, you see? Uh, we gotta discuss all this stuff, so that you people do not hound me in the path as you did yesterday, wasn\u2019t no later than yesterday, my daughters and I\u2014 say that she\u2019ll come and she\u2019ll just go on her way. I\u2019ve heard that shit over and over again, about my daughter being a nice one\u2014 I\u2014 I had a nice daughter once. She was starving to death and I saved her from starvation, and now she\u2019s helping, trying to destroy<\/i> this movement, because we have absolute information that they are not content until they kill every last one of us. \u2018Cause you know why they want to kill every last one of us, \u2018cause they\u2019re afraid one of you will get back and get them.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Voice off mike too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ah, maybe we better discuss this quickly with Russell, \u2018cause Russell\u2019s going to have to go in town, he\u2019s good to de\u2014 he could talk agriculture to the man and divert him while she\u2019s talking. Uh he\u2014 he talks very sensibly on agriculture, one of our most knowledgeable people. Uh, let\u2019s talk about the Motons\u2019 case first, because he\u2019s got to go into town. (Pause) I\u2019d like your frank evaluation. Has the letter gotten\u2014\u00a0do we have the substance of the letter, Rita, that was transmitted into town? Can you get me the, the wording of it? \u2018Cause we\u2014\u00a0we open your mail to get your information to Georgetown, by the time it gets here, it\u2019s two weeks longer<\/i>. I hope you all appreciate<\/i> that that is a good thing to do<\/i>. \u2018Cause some sonofabitch could be trying to tear your life up, before it got out here, so we\u2014 we open the mail before it gets<\/i> here to let you know what the hell\u2019s up. That\u2014 That\u2019s<\/i> the reason we do that. We\u2019re not so much worried about incoming<\/i> mail as we are outcoming<\/i> mail. Frankly. It\u2019s the outcoming mail that can be devastating, when people make codes in flowers like some of our people have, and little shit. That\u2019s what can really destroy us. So we\u2019re not concerned about the incoming<\/i> mail. People say, I don\u2019t get my mail. You\u2014 you piss me off, \u2018cause you do<\/i> get your mail. If you don\u2019t get your mail, it\u2019s because the U.S. government is not letting your mail get through, or your goddamn relatives are just not writing, because we don\u2019t give a shit about you getting the mail. It\u2019s not the mail coming in that\u2019s gonna hurt<\/i> us. Now\u2014 if anybody uses their brain, they can understand that, can\u2019t they?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I think that\u2019s very understandable. (Pause) Okay, what do you think about uh, this situation, how we should handle it? I think she said she\u2019d come in June. Do you think\u2014 first place, do you think she will, um, accept a postponement based on the weather and the guest house, which we\u2019re planning to have by September or October. Do you think her schedule will lend<\/i> herself to that? (Pause) You don\u2019t know about it. Do you know about this, Russell? Do you know about the whole situation? They\u2019d know about it.<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>No, no I don\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Nah, I better\u2014 I better fill you in. Your sister, that I stayed with, it\u2014\u00a0whose son\u2019s here \u2014\u00a0was a very hospitable lady to me<\/i>, wants to come in June for vacation, told them not to bring the child back but she\u2019s coming in\u2014 that\u2019s the substance of that\u2014\u00a0I remember it from the radio\u2014\u00a0substance was, don\u2019t<\/i> bring the child, uh, home, I\u2019m coming there for vacation<\/i>. Two weeks, I think, I\u2014\u00a0I\u2019d\u2014\u00a0I can\u2019t remember the time. Now\u2014 (Pause) (Unintelligible aside). Um, so, that\u2019s the substance of it. Wasn\u2019t unfriendly\u2014\u00a0oh, and she was very concerned about your brother. Sounded<\/i> friendly, \u2018cause a brother \u2014\u00a0you have a brother, Glen \u2014 who\u2019s in trouble \u2014 and she was wanting to know if we could do something to help him. And I of course told them\u2014 you wrote to say that we would. Which I think will ease that<\/i> burden, if we take him<\/i>. And when a man\u2019s up against it\u2014 it sounded to me like\u2014 from what I got out of the communication, he\u2019s on his way to jail or in trouble with the law, and they\u2019re about to get him. That\u2019s why I said immediately<\/i>, we\u2019d take him, \u2018cause that would ease the situation there. (Pause) That was my, my strategy on that point. Send him ahead. Not wait\u2014\u00a0he<\/i> can\u2019t wait till September, for obvious sakes. If you\u2019re in trouble with the law, you can\u2019t wait<\/i>. (Pause) You don\u2019t wait\u2014\u00a0the law don\u2019t wait on you when you\u2019re black. Do you think, that, first place that she will\u2014\u00a0that\u2019ll be acceptable to her? Do you\u2014\u00a0I mean, we\u2019re just anticipating, we\u2019re trying\u2014 We don\u2019t know<\/i>, we can only think<\/i>. What do you think she\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0she\u2019ll react to that? Our\u2014\u00a0our response was, do you\u2014\u00a0what\u2019d you say, that we would help the child, the boy? Did you say we would? Okay.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Yes\u2014\u00a0yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Good. That\u2019s the instructions I gave. So that shows my instructions are getting through to you, though I didn\u2019t give them directly, I gave them through Rita. And it\u2019s a heavy\u2014\u00a0even though I gave them through a secretary, and the secretary gives them to Rita, and sometimes, things get lost in the chain of command. My instructions were to ask if it would be possible\u2014\u00a0the weather\u2019s more delightful in the fall, or because our summers are the same, uh, we\u2019ll have guest housing by that time, but your\u2014 your brother, of course<\/i>, we\u2019ll help, because of all that she\u2019s done, your family, what you mean to me, we\u2019ll help uh, we\u2019ll take the br\u2014\u00a0the young man in trouble. Is that the essence of what you wrote in the letter?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now how do you think she\u2019ll react? Can she change her vacation, or is it one of those things you cannot<\/i> change?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I\u2019m sure she can change her vacation, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, then we may not have a particular problem. Do you see it that way, Brother Moton, too?<\/p>\n

Moton: <\/b>Well, ah, ah, it sounds all right to me, but this is my first knowing about her writing a letter. She hadn\u2019t explained to me that she had wrote a letter, and uh, and what\u2014 and that Rita had talked to her.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well\u2014 oh no, she hadn\u2019t talked to her. Uh, hold it, now hold it. She hadn\u2019t talked to nobody\u2014 oh, uh, Rita, oh, I\u2019m sorry. I thought you said your daughter. Um\u2014 (laughs) well, don\u2019t uh, don\u2019t blame, it just happened yesterday, I think. So there\u2019s not much time we\u2019ve had to do much<\/i>. People call out to do things\u2014 but be certainly be told to you. We don\u2019t keep any secrets. The situation is<\/i> that uh, I had to move quickly, and I didn\u2019t care who<\/i> wrote the letter, I didn\u2019t give a damn if you wrote the letter or she wrote the letter, so there was no instruction to go to her. It was understoo\u2014 He<\/i> didn\u2019t know either, so I wouldn\u2019t\u2014\u00a0I wouldn\u2019t\u2014\u00a0he\u2014 I didn\u2019t have time to communicate to all three of you. And I imagine Rita found her more available. Um. I\u2019ve told you the substance of it. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s the issue in the first place. I don\u2019t think I need to get into the polemics of that, I don\u2019t think that\u2019s the issue. Nobody\u2019s trying to cut you out of any information, \u2018cause I\u2019ve just now give<\/i> you all the information. That\u2019s the substance of her letter of request, that you\u2014 so maybe she didn\u2019t want to worry you about your son. Your son\u2019s in trouble. Your wife probably had a good motive for that. \u2018Cause I\u2014 I\u2019m sure<\/i> that\u2014\u00a0father connects with sons more, and he\u2019s in trouble. He\u2019s in some kind of trouble. And she asked us if we could do something to help, and I said yes. (Pause) Now that\u2019s the issue. How do we respond to that?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Ah, oh, I, uh\u2014 Dad, I feel that uh, she\u2019ll prob\u2014\u00a0she will\u2014 I think she will accept, you know, what you said, and come at a later time. \u2018Cause she\u2019s usually pretty reasonable.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I figured even though it was a White Night, that if your son was in trouble, and it sounded like serious<\/i> trouble, he\u2019d rather be here facing the White Night than staying in Philadelphia going to an angry jail. How do you feel about that, Brother Moton?<\/p>\n

Moton: <\/b>Well, I\u2014 I imagine he would<\/i> rather face a White Night here<\/i> than to facing a jail in Philadelphia<\/i>.<\/p>\n

General conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Somebody, I think, uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Moton: <\/b>What do I feel like? Oh, I\u2014\u00a0I will\u2014\u00a0I would much rather<\/i> him to be here than to be in the jail in Philadelphia, or a jail anyplace.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, the\u2014 the tone\u2014\u00a0you\u2019ll have a letter\u2014\u00a0see, we cannot\u2014 the\u2014 the boat\u2014\u00a0you don\u2019t get mail till the boat comes, so we open<\/i> the mail in Georgetown to find out what the hell\u2019s going on, it gives us about a week\u2014 this case, it\u2019ll be two weeks. Maybe. No, it won\u2019t, it\u2019ll be a week. But that week, we\u2014 we feel is very important, I\u2019m sure all of you see the importance, is open the mail the minute<\/i> it hits Georgetown. Because it can be just<\/i> the thing like that. Now a week<\/i> might not wait on this young man. A week may not wait on him. Fact of the matter, if we can get some calm, I think, if we\u2014 we ought to pass on by Sa\u2014\u00a0San Francisco a phone patch to her\u2014 you hear me?<\/p>\n

Moton: <\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m sure she\u2019d take a collect call at a late hour \u2014 \u2018cause we\u2019ve got to watch every penny \u2014 but if she don\u2019t<\/i>, we\u2019ll still make the call, \u2018cause I\u2014\u00a0for\u2014\u00a0for the Motons, and tell them that they better send that boy\u2014\u00a0man on. \u2018Cause the man\u2014\u00a0uh, then tell them, there\u2019s\u2014 that a letter\u2019s coming about their vacation, it\u2019d be better that when we have a guest house and so forth, but that, that young man, by the time that mail gets back there, may be, the trouble may have hit him, um\u2014 (Pause) I gathered it was ah\u2014 so much traffic goes through me, but I gathered it was something to do with dope. Has he been in drugs?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>As far as I know, he hasn\u2019t, Father. He\u2014 At one time, he\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ah, they may have been setting him up.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>At one time\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But I think it was the implication of the letter. We\u2019ll know exactly, but there\u2019s some<\/i> trouble. He\u2019s in trouble. (Pause) Glen Moton, Junior. Is that his name? (Pause) That\u2019s okay, that\u2019s him.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>At\u2014\u00a0at one time, uh, Father, he was a policeman\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Uh-oh.<\/p>\n

\u2014 and I don\u2019t know whether this is the source or not. And uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If he is a policeman\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>He was\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014if he was ever a policeman and he ever left it, and they don\u2019t\u2014 they don\u2019t ha\u2014 they don\u2019t give you no peace (struggles for words), they will never give you peace.<\/p>\n

Moton: <\/b>He had a conflict with them ah, over a number of issues, and uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It figures.<\/p>\n

Moton: <\/b>\u2014and so eventually, he had that to\u2014\u00a0to get out of the uh, force, uh, he had, you know, some \u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He lives in Philadelphia?<\/p>\n

Moton: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Struggles for words) \u2014the police, that\u2019s where the police burned down a whole\u2014\u00a0a couple of sections\u2014 whole apartments, so they\u2014\u00a0they\u2019ve got his number. [Philadelphia Mayor Frank] Rizzo\u2019s got his own secret police. Ah, it may be wrong. I\u2014 I can\u2019t tell you for the fact, I wouldn\u2019t want to worry you about that, and if it was, if he didn\u2019t use it, I\u2019ll bet they\u2019ve set him up in it. Maybe is that what they\u2019ve done. I don\u2019t know. But he\u2019s in trouble.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>Um, a factor to be considered about your daughter coming, if she gets here, will she be apt to want to take the child home, when she gets here and fi\u2014 and, you know, possibly get upset about something or\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Attention. There\u2019s been the security arrangement, and they\u2014 they say that anybody that goes to sleep will be arrested immediately. There\u2019ll be no talk, ifs, and or but about it. (Pause) How is that\u2014\u00a0is that suitable?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(General response) Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All right.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>But I wondered if that might be a possibility\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Huh?<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>\u2014that she might want to take the child home once she got here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It did\u2014\u00a0The letter didn\u2019t sound uh, out to be\u2014\u00a0be candid<\/i>. Well, that\u2019s a good question, but the letter did not sound\u2014 He may\u2014\u00a0She may<\/i> want to take the child home, but it didn\u2019t sound<\/i> that way. The way that the letter was read to me. And they read it to me. And it\u2019s coded, it\u2014and you have to code<\/i> everything. You can\u2019t write\u2014\u00a0You can\u2019t give nothing<\/i> over the radio directly, but it didn\u2019t sound like she was coming in any unfriendly way<\/i>. \u2018Cause if she wanted the child home, uh, why vacation? (Pause) If she\u2019s hostile and wants the child home, why vacation, and tell you not to bring the child, or\u2014 evidently you\u2019d had some arrangement you might bring the child home in the summer. She said, don\u2019t<\/i> bring the child home in the summer, because I\u2019m coming this<\/i> way. (Pause) But it was<\/i> vacation. But then the next<\/i> part of the letter had to do with Glen Moton. Ah, to my knowledge, it was not anything unfriendly in the letter. But now, if you think there\u2019s some savvy shit, you think he\u2019s a capable of an agent, you\u2019ve got to look at that. If he\u2019s capable of being a police agent, and they\u2019re involved\u2014\u00a0I know you got one sister that\u2019s very hostile, very nasty. (Pause) Married to that doctor. Isn\u2019t she married to the doctor? Umm-hmm. I\u2014 I don\u2019t like her attitude. (Pause) That\u2019s more perceptive than anything else. I don\u2019t have anything to base it on, but just what I feel. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>I think\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And he\u2019s<\/i> the problem there. The goddamn doctor\u2019s the problem.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Uh, I re\u2014\u00a0recall uh, a few years ago, when we came out to\u2014\u00a0and spoke to the both of them about getting in\u2014\u00a0involved in the church, uh, (unintelligible name \u2014 Don Beck?) and some of us all went out and talked to him, ah, his whole attitude was<\/i> hostile. So, and um\u2014 she seemed\u2014 (Pause) His whole attitude was<\/i> hostile, and he seemed to follow her lead.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He followed her?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>I mean she\u2014 No, she<\/i> seemed to follow his lead in whatever he was saying, so uh, you know, I\u2019m really<\/i> not surprised, at least abo\u2014 about that situation. They said that they had, you know, you know, worked to get into this capitalist trip, you know, ah, this upper class shit, you know, for a long time, and that they\u2014 and they\u2014\u00a0they called us right from the jump, when we told them the things we were doing, say, oh, you\u2019re socialist. Well, you know, we\u2019re not going to get off into that, you know, and so after that, we\u2014 I just haven\u2019t ha\u2014 had anything more to do with them, myself.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Um. But as for ah, Glen, ah, I think that we should\u2014\u00a0since he has had a\u2014 since he has had a, a background in the police force, he has, he was on there for about ten years or so, I think we should consider that he could be coming here as an agent, you know, that should<\/i> be considered, because, ah, you know\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s he been doing since then? What\u2014\u00a0What instances\u2014 What issues has he had with the police? Has he had any run-ins with them?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Okay, uh, he\u2019s had\u2014 the, the run-ins he\u2019s had was, for instance, ah, when they, he, he arrested a uh, black woman once for, I forget exactly what it was, but brought her in, into the ah, police station. When he came back the next morning, they had ah, some of the p\u2014 white policemen there had beat her up, and he told them that the next time that they come in, ah, the\u2014 the next time he brings somebody in, that they better not mess with them, or he<\/i> would\u2014 he would deal with them. And so they tried to take his gun, and he said, ah, you can try<\/i> and take it, and we\u2019ll have a shoot-out right here. And after that, there was, you know, this was one thing after another, he was constantly having run-ins with them, because he wouldn\u2019t back down from them, so he ended up having\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (talks over him) Doesn\u2019t sound like an agent type. What did he go on to? What did he go on to? What kind of work did he go on to, then?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Ah\u2014 He went on after a bit to, to, he went on and finished his schooling, ah, went on to t\u2014 to the university?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019d he study?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Criminal justice.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Criminal\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Criminal justice. Criminal justice did\u2014 for what reason? If he\u2019s not in police work, for what reason did he study criminal justice?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I really don\u2019t know, Dad. All I uh, know, he was working at a prison<\/i>, but the last time I was in Philadelphia, in March\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Did he have any trouble there at all?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I really don\u2019t know. (Pause) I really don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He didn\u2019t tell you if he was having any.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>No, no. I only\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (talks over woman) Ah, we\u2019ll have to find out. I guess we\u2019ll have to find that from phone patch exactly<\/i> what this trouble is, in a coded way. The slant<\/i> of it sounded like drugs. Now that\u2014 that\u2014\u00a0that\u2014 that\u2019s a\u2014\u00a0but your codes<\/i>, so much can break down in codes. But if he\u2019s black, that\u2019s a typical set-up. If there\u2019s somebody wants to get his ass, they\u2019ll set him up with drugs. It\u2019s done all the time.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>It\u2019s possible that he might be off into that, ah, because his whole\u2014 in the past year<\/i> or so, his whole life has seemed to have just sort of broken down, his pattern and such is\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (angry) Will you shut up? If it\u2019s your son, you\u2014 you\u2019d shut your mouth.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>I had a long distance phone call from Winnie ah, last year, right before I came down here, when she was saying that she was concerned that\u2014 because he had uh, left his wife and, and children and ah, you know, and you know, was just showing all kinds of uh, attitudes that were uncharacteristic of him. He always was rather ah, stoic, you know, always, you know, never would cry, never would show weakness or anything, and, and he was, you know, just showing attitudes that there\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, if he thinks\u2014\u00a0if he\u2019s black and he thinks, and he obviously does, enough to say he\u2019ll shoot somebody if they mess with his\u2014 the people he b\u2014 he brings in when they\u2019re beating them up, sounds like\u2014 it sou\u2014 the man could very easily have uh, run amok of the goddamn fascist law, and realized that the law is not<\/i> worthy of its respect<\/i>. And all of his times spent studying it, then disillusionment because he\u2019s got into something that isn\u2019t worth shit, because the law only works for the rich and the white, and then the white rich, some of you better remember, so I\u2014 I would imagine that it\u2019s sincere, it\u2019s a sincere need that he\u2019s brought to\u2014\u00a0she\u2019s brought to our attention. We\u2019ll all know more when I get whatever notes I gave her. Well, go ahead. I\u2014 I think Glen wants to say something\u2014<\/p>\n

Glen: <\/b>Uh, speaking, I\u2014 I\u2014 I really don\u2019t know what his trouble could be, but he went\u2014 he had the job with the state<\/i>. Uh, he has a job with the state<\/i>. And so, uh, once upon a time, uh, was it five or six years ago, he was offered a, a job as a narcotic agent, and he told me he turned it down<\/i>. And that\u2019s why he didn\u2019t go with the\u2014 a couple more of his uh, friends that were policemen, they transferred over into the narcotic. But he<\/i> didn\u2019t go on account he said they would want to send him out west somewhere for the training, and he didn\u2019t want to go out West<\/i>, and so\u2014 But I\u2019ve never knowed him to have any, uh, connection with dope any kind of way.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, when you\u2019re black and you feel and you sense and you get aware, and you don\u2019t have a communist movement to come to, it\u2019s very easy to get caught up in drugs.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Very easy. You get totally despaired. It sounds like he despair of his ho\u2014 home breaking up, he not being able to maintain himself\u2014 All right<\/i>, if the\u2014 I said it\u2019s nothing\u2014 nothing uncommon to be set<\/i> up. If they don\u2019t like him, they just set<\/i> him up. But I wouldn\u2019t feel bad\u2014\u00a0I wouldn\u2019t\u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t\u2014 that don\u2019t bother me, I\u2019ll<\/i> take him if he\u2019s on drugs. Hell, half this place has been on drugs.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That don\u2019t bother me any.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I remember it, one time, Dad, he was telling me about uh, they were br\u2014 building concentration camps, that\u2019s before I came out to stay with the family?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>And uh, he was telling me that they wouldn\u2019t\u2014\u00a0the time that they were building the concentration camps, he said, uh, they had planned on taking all of the black policemen and marching them in first, because they knew\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>\u2014they knew that they would fight back. So I don\u2019t know whether this is one of the problems or not. I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ahh, well. I\u2019m glad for that s\u2014 bit of salient information, because one of the concentration camps is set up in Pennsylvania. Allentown<\/a>. He\u2019s right. He\u2019s right. That\u2019s the\u2014 one of the concentration camps where blacks will be put when the showdown comes. He\u2014\u00a0I would imagine, it\u2019s got to<\/i> him. He\u2019s probably said something, or crossed somebody, stepped on somebody\u2019s toes, maybe he\u2019s lost his job, maybe he did use<\/i> a drug, or maybe he got set up with drugs, whatever, it sounds to me like a legitimate story. I\u2019ll take my chances. Your opinion is, she\u2019ll probably then would uh, we take him<\/i>, and help him<\/i>, her\u2014\u00a0holding her off on vacation would not be that big a problem.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I don\u2019t think so. I\u2014 I don\u2019t think so, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> After all, we\u2019re only asking<\/i> her, anyway, we\u2019re not saying ab\u2014 absolutely, we just\u2014 I think you just ask her if that would be possible. Okay. Any more comment about it? (Pause) Umm-hmm. Okay.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>Just one more, ah, that you mentioned earlier, Dad. Where would they\u2014 Would they meet in Georgetown, or would she come here? If she vacation here\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It depends. It depends upon how much fascism has come down. By September, she might be more than willing to understand everything we\u2019re doing here. And prob\u2014 maybe not even want to go back<\/i>. See, September\u2019s a loooonng way away. And the way shit\u2019s coming down these days. It just depends. If not, then maybe they can meet her in Georgetown. We got a beautiful headquarters there. Whatever. I don\u2019t think that\u2014 I think that that\u2019s a good issue\u2014 I think we have to decide that, case by case, point by point. But we got a more immediate one to decide, and I do<\/i> think that that\u2014\u00a0your question becomes highly relevant, then. Ah\u2014\u00a0she\u2019s a very, to me, down to earth person, I think she\u2019d learn quickly\u2014 Has she got a husband? No, didn\u2019t have. She hasn\u2019t got that many attachments. (Pause) I\u2019m\u2014\u00a0I\u2019m\u2014I\u2019m believing that anybody\u2019s black and hears<\/i>, thinks and sees some of these meetings, uh, I think that it soon gets\u2014 the truth soon gets to them. Maybe she might decide never to go<\/i> back. You can\u2019t tell. That\u2019s always a possibility.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>I don\u2019t really think she has that much back there to hold her, because, uh, she\u2019s experienced a lot of frustration. Ah, she worked for ah, for instance the, the, one of the biggest, ah, insurance companies in the world back there, she worked her way up. They only hired\u2014\u00a0They have a, a limited amount of black<\/i> folks they\u2019ll hire, and she worked her way up in the company to a, like a, a high administration post, Assis\u2014\u00a0Assistant Director of Administration, and they wouldn\u2019t let her go any higher, and uh, and they\u2014\u00a0then they started trying to trap her and trying to fire her and all kinds of stuff. She fought it for a while, but then she just said, you know, hell with it\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (breaks in) Oh yeah, that opens up\u2014 I talked to her in the kitchen one night for two hours, she told me more shit done to her and black friends and relatives, people\u2014 I\u2014 I don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0I\u2014\u00a0I like her, personally. And so um\u2014\u00a0and she liked us<\/i> enough to put her child here. And she hasn\u2019t given us any trouble during this year. She hasn\u2019t made any issue, has it? And Glen, she\u2019s had\u2014 she hasn\u2019t made no issue of any kind, has she, this year? I haven\u2019t followed any mail and\u2014 I haven\u2019t followed it, because she\u2019s not one person I felt I had to ba\u2014\u00a0pay any attention to. \u2018Cause I had very good\u2014 She was very good to me, I was\u2014 I\u2014 the most pleasant stay I ever had in any home. She was more thoughtful<\/i>, she didn\u2019t impose<\/i> on me, didn\u2019t talk to me unless I talked to her. She never<\/i>\u2014\u00a0She gave me more<\/i> peace than I\u2019ve ever had in any home outside of our own congregation that I\u2019ve ever been in. (Stumbles over words) And that was, to me, significant<\/i>, \u2018cause there a lot of folk in that house, and she had lots<\/i> of us in that house. Coming out of her ears. (Pause) And it was yet peaceable. So I\u2019ll<\/i> do uh\u2014\u00a0we\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0we\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0we\u2019ll entertain her, if we feel\u2014\u00a0you people think in the meantime whether we\u2014 about whether she should come in here or not. And that\u2019ll a lot\u2014 I got a lot of faith in your judgments, and then we\u2019ll weigh\u2014\u00a0A White Night\u2019s a hell of a thing to run in to, though. We\u2019ve come through<\/i> so many of them, you get immune<\/i> to some degree, because you know there\u2019s a light at the end of the tunnel, but, for\u2014 to get in the middle of one of them is, uh, \u2014 I (Stumbles over words) hope that people slide through one. It\u2019d be nice for her to see this, because this is the most impressive. Georgetown<\/i> doesn\u2019t impress me<\/i>. This is what impresses me. The country.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, we got time. That\u2019s why I wanted to hold off, because I saw a month\u2014 Jesus. And, and, and our weather\u2019s off, it might be right in the middle of a rainy season, right up to, you know, her ankles in rain. Okay, I\u2014\u00a0I think that that\u2019s resolved for the time. We\u2019ll make a telephone call and see what the hell the trouble is and try to speed up the case, because I\u2019m a little hesitant waiting on your letter. You letter, ah, won\u2019t get there\u2014\u00a0if he\u2019s in immediate<\/i> trouble, it might be too late, so I think we ought to move with a telephone call.<\/p>\n

Two voices: <\/b>Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Here it is. (Pause) Um, here it is, here it is, here it is, ah\u2014\u00a0this is the c\u2014 code, decoded, as best we\u2019ve got. Glen has gotten himself\u2014<\/p>\n

End of side 1.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014\u00a0comes in and out, of house all\u2014\u00a0what\u2019s that? All mixed up. And then the suggestion is, anything we could do\u2014 and we\u2019re offering, we\u2019re offering, we\u2019ll see. (Pause) Now, there\u2019s Betty is the other<\/i> daughter, isn\u2019t she? Yeah, that\u2019s the one I\u2014\u00a0you got to watch that<\/i> connection. You really do have to be careful with that connection. Okay? (Pause) Thank you. (Pause) \u2018Cause I\u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0that doctor\u2014\u00a0the things he said to our people that was meeting with him, was, was cruel, they were not only ah, insensitive, they were cruel. He\u2019s cruel, and she\u2019s affected by him. She\u2019s like the typical woman in American society, she\u2014they give their mind over to the man.<\/p>\n

Isolated voices:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Monday, things\u2019ll open up. Lotta people\u2019s minds. Yes.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>Dad? I\u2019m concerned about another brother (unintelligible). Russell has, and\u00a0he\u2014\u00a0has written up the situation, and I just wanted to uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s the other brother?<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>The other brother\u2019s involved in a (unintelligible) don\u2019t know exactly<\/i> what he\u2019s involved in, but uh, I felt it should, it should be uh, brought back to your attention, that he might s\u2014 (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, this<\/i> brother\u2019s obviously not an agent, he\u2019s not pushing. She\u2019s<\/i> pushing for him. Your sister\u2019s put this one in Philadelphia. I don\u2019t think Glen, who\u2019s in all this trouble, and they\u2019re chasing after him, uh, I don\u2019t think he<\/i> is pushing, which she is more or less seeing if we\u2014\u00a0she can make the overture, if you know what I mean. The offer. So I don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t think he\u2019s an agent. Now who\u2019s this other brother? What\u2019s this about?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>This is one that ah, I\u2019d met in Los Angeles.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Distracted, talks off mike) Stop. Cottages one six seven nine ten 20 24 29 31 33 34 35 36 37 38 43 48 52, now please<\/i> report immediately. Or there\u2019s gonna be a matter of discipline. Truly two four. Two and four in apartment four. The\u2014 That\u2019s important<\/i> to the security of the\u2014\u00a0that\u2019s gotta be done. I don\u2019t want to have to tell you anymore. That\u2019s gotta be done, the moment session opens. Okay.<\/p>\n

Voice talking off mike:\u00a0<\/b>Rochelle [Halkman]\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Come immediately and see Rochelle and Mary Wotherspoon in the back. Yes, now what is this, uh, son?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Uh, this was the one who had\u2014\u00a0he had been\u2014\u00a0had been missing<\/i> for a long time, we hadn\u2019t seen him, he had traveled back and forth from Mexico, uh, and you know, like we hadn\u2019t seen<\/i> him in about five or six years, and I just happened to be riding down the street, and ah, in Los Angeles last year, and I ran across him, ah, and like he had done a lot of, ah \u2014 ah, what was that? \u2014 like, he had been making movies in Mexico and he was writing a script at the time, and he said he was, was trying to get into the movies in California and\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Did he cut off all contact with his family?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>He had cut off all contact, until that time when I ran into him, and chatted with him a bit. And he was\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And he never never attempted to make any more contact with his parents or you?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Since that time?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>Oh. Ah, I\u2014 since that time, he has, uh, he has talked\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shh! Quiet.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>I understand he made a phone call back uh, to the ah, East Coast and had said that he was going to try and come home last ah, Christmas, but he didn\u2019t come.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He didn\u2019t come.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Which is typical of him.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How many years he been separated from you?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Ohhh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Glen\u2014\u00a0Glen seems to know the\u2014<\/p>\n

Glen<\/b> Moton: <\/b>Oh, around\u2014\u00a0I haven\u2019t seen him, I think, in around seven years, I hadn\u2019t seed him. I think it\u2019s something around there\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t think there\u2019s a problem. If you know he\u2019s not interested in us, what the prob\u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t see any particular problem. He\u2019s not interested in you<\/i>. He\u2019s cut away, uh, what is it, what is it, I fail to see the relevance of what this has to do with you.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>(mike cuts in) \u2014 recall, I didn\u2019t recall exactly what he did\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>\u2014 but he\u2019d been in a foreign country\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. He\u2019d been in a foreign\u2014 but he\u2019s not trying to get a hold of us, we\u2019re not trying to get a hold of him. So there ain\u2019t no problem to us. Okay.<\/p>\n

Glen: <\/b>As the fellow spoke before, a while ago about ah, about George was hostile about or uh, however that words\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who is that?<\/p>\n

Glen: <\/b>My uh, my son-in-law. Well, you see, all right. He thought that you were (unintelligible word) a Christian organization. He (stutters) understand the literature with there said Pastor Jim Jones. Well, he didn\u2019t believe in no kind of a religion. That\u2019s for definitely<\/i> sure. And my daughter Betty was a member of the Rosticrucious.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Rosticrucians.<\/p>\n

Glen: <\/b>Yeah, and so she was a Rosticrucian for a, you know, a number of years. And\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shh! Well, it\u2019s a\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s a metaphysical group that believes in, I don\u2019t know, ah, a whole lot of um, symbology, astra\u2014\u00a0astra\u2014 astrological concepts, but<\/i> there was some\u2014 some of our people met with them, and they were hostile towards uh, he was very hostile towards socialism. Very hostile. That\u2019s what I mean by\u2014\u00a0they\u2014\u00a0our people\u2014\u00a0he, he made it very clear about that.<\/p>\n

Female voice too quiet.<\/p>\n

Glen: <\/b>Well, I\u2014 I hadn\u2019t heard that, Father, so I\u2014\u00a0I didn\u2019t know about that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They may change<\/i>, you know. She<\/i> may change. But uh, I just want you to be very cautious about the\u2014\u00a0about her. She\u2014\u00a0uh, yes, Sister Moton.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>And of course, Dad, uh, since that time that he spoke with Don Bacon, uh, the other groups, well he uh, went back to school<\/i>, and uh, he studied to be\u2014 become a doctor, that is, uh, podiatric um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Podiatrist.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Podiatrist, yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>And uh, he was ge\u2014\u00a0being given a very hard time and of course, he, he\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I do believe he believed<\/i> in you, because uh, like I gave him uh, one of your pictures, and I told him, I said, now you carry this on your key chain, because they were\u2014\u00a0he was being given a very hard time, and I said, I\u2019m sure you\u2019ll get through. And he did. <\/i>He kept that. And so I re\u2014\u00a0I really don\u2019t know, I\u2014\u00a0I\u2014 it\u2019s hard for me to say, yes, what\u2019s he\u2019s, you know really like, because I\u2019ve only visited\u2014\u00a0in fact, they visited me<\/i>, because I\u2019d never had a chance to really not, you know, in going back, with the\u2014\u00a0our time was so short and I never got the chance\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No, I just had this\u2014 no, I have this feeling<\/i>, you just want to take a little care\u2014\u00a0caution. There\u2019s something\u2014\u00a0There\u2019s something you need to be very cautious about. That\u2019s all I\u2019m saying. Was is it? Any writing\u2014 has he written anything? Have they written?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Yes, Betty has written several letters, uh, Dad, and I don\u2019t know\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Did she make any comments about the work at all?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Well um, I don\u2019t know whether she read\u2014 she reads quite a bit\u2014 I don\u2019t know whether she has read um, um, magazine article or what, but that was when she uh, began to get, you know, a little suspicious or something like that. As far as\u2014 that\u2019s what I<\/i> could see, you know. But I\u2019ve been trying to reassure her, in my writing, that, you know, everything\u2019s all r\u2014\u00a0all right, which it is<\/i>, you know.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, of course, it is. Principles are right. We\u2019d like a little more peaceful setting (short laugh), I\u2019m sure. We\u2014 we\u2014 we\u2019d love not to have enemies trying to get after us, but the risk\u2014 the principles are worth the risk. In one\u2014\u00a0anything worth\u2014 we said that all of our life, our grandmothers and granddads, anything worth living for is worth dying for, and anything worth having is worth fighting for. So, um\u2014\u00a0well, I\u2014 I\u2019d like for you to review some of those things she said of, of a negative nature so we can deal with some of it. Maybe there\u2019s some way we could help to educate her about specifi\u2014 specific things. I don\u2019t know what her\u2014 As I said, I haven\u2019t uh, kept my uh, tab on her.<\/p>\n

Woman off mike: <\/b>There\u2019s one comment she made\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What comment did she make?<\/p>\n

Woman off mike: <\/b>Mrs. Moton had written, saying something, Michael getting up, uh, Michael, I guess, you wrote and mentioned her that Michael, little Michael had gotten up in a meeting and testified something, you know, nice about the place. And she wrote back as having some concern that he was getting too much religion<\/i> pushed on him or something to that effect.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now that was the mother, wasn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Woman off mike: <\/b>Winnie. That was Winnie.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice starts to slur) That was Winnie, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But that was handled some time ago, wasn\u2019t it? How long ago has that been?<\/p>\n

Woman off mike: <\/b>That\u2019s been several weeks ago.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, well, she\u2019s had time to get the answer on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, sure, (stumbles over words) we\u2019re not very religious. (Laughs shortly)<\/p>\n

Glen: <\/b>Uh uh, see, that\u2019s what I was saying, Father. But George, he always spoke well of your speech. After you were there a couple of times \u2014 I wasn\u2019t there, when I\u2014\u00a0when I came back, and he and I was talking, and he, he, he, he laughed at the, uh, your program, and the way you speak. But ah, what I said, he never had nothing to do with religion<\/i>. He always<\/i> spoke well of, you know\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t know. I never met the man, and I wouldn\u2019t make a judgment, but others relayed in direct conversation his comments about socialism. So that\u2019s the only barrier you\u2019ve got to do there, is to educate the man. And time will take care of that. They\u2019ll all be educated. No black person\u2019s gonna be protected. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Tape off for several seconds<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, um, Sister Moton, I\u2019ve got to read something, (unintelligible) have to get these people started. Go ahead. You people can talk. Moderate this, Johnny, where\u2014\u00a0(voice fades off mike)<\/p>\n

Sister Moton: <\/b>I want to say, Dad, that uh, most of the meetings he and his wife attended wh\u2014 while you were in Philadelphia, and especially the uh, the last meeting he was there\u2014 in fact they both were there. And, matter of fact, their names were called there at the time that you were, spoke of um, having a place here in the Promised Land, you know, for different people, their names were called out in revelations.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I see. Oh, good.<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Uh, in reference to the, uh, the brother that I had met in Los Angeles, uh, I did\u2014 when I did run into him, it was on Pico, Pico<\/i> Boulevard, if that\u2019s something to consider, um, which was, you know, Pico was close to the church.<\/p>\n

Male off mike, unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Revolution?<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>We were\u2014 Right, we were on our way to<\/i> the store that we had down there and uh, he was\u2014\u00a0he said he had some sort of s\u2014 ah, store business there, ah, right there on Pico Boulevard. And he was acting rather strange when I met him.<\/p>\n

Male off mike: <\/b>He was at the jubilee also.<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Right, he came to the\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Huh?<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>\u2014to the Muslim Jubilee.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Huh?<\/p>\n

Female off mike:<\/b> I met him also, you remember (voices over her) listening to him at the Temple in the alley.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He was acting strange?<\/p>\n

Male off mike: <\/b>No, no\u2014<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Right, he\u2014 when I first ki\u2014 got off, got the truck and went up him, and you know, say hey, how ya doin\u2019?<\/p>\n

Male off mike: <\/b>Was this before or after the Jubilee, now?<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>This is af\u2014<\/p>\n

Male off mike: <\/b>This is before<\/i> the Jubilee, right?<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>This is after the Jubilee, I think.<\/p>\n

Male off mike: <\/b>This was before<\/i> the Jubilee.<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Well, I don\u2019t remember, to tell you the truth.<\/p>\n

Female off mike:<\/b> That\u2019s the first time\u2014<\/p>\n

Male off mike: <\/b>It was, it was before<\/i> the Jubilee. (Pause) We were in the truck, we was in that, that old truck?<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Yeah, uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Male off mike: <\/b>And the truck stopped running before the Jubilee.<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Okay.<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> Um, Russell, you introduced me to him in the alley at Peoples Temple\u2014<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> \u2014Church in L.A. at one time, and you told me that he had an upper Holt Street um, business on Pico.<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> So he was<\/i> at the Temple\u2014<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> \u2014in the alley.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What was that? I missed that, now.<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> Russell introduced me to his brother at um, in Los Angeles at the Temple, and uh, he told me that, that he also<\/i> had a business on Pico. So he was<\/i> at the Temple in L.A. It wasn\u2019t during a service time. It was some off time.<\/p>\n

Male off mike: <\/b>You said at the Jubilee that that was the first time you had seen him in about seven years. At the Jubilee. You said, there\u2019s my brother, you\u2019d been\u2014 you weren\u2019t sure, and then you said, I haven\u2019t seen him for about seven years. So then this other must have occurred after the Jubilee.<\/p>\n

Russell: <\/b>Yeah. It did, it did, it did.<\/p>\n

General crowd noise. Tape cuts off for undetermined period of time.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, okay. That<\/i> problem\u2019s resolved. Now what about the people connected with uh, Sandra and Yvette? Uh, what about this? We gotta discuss this very quick. (Pause) \u2018Cause that\u2019s upon us. What is today?<\/p>\n

Several voices: <\/b>Thirteenth.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thirteenth.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shh! Let\u2014 (Pause) Better cool it now, pu\u2014 people, put more security through the ranks here, and put these people uh, into, into line. We can\u2019t have it. One thing, it\u2014 very difficult for me, when I don\u2019t get rest is this (unintelligible word), this enormous amount of buzzing. (Pause) We\u2014 we have able\u2014\u00a0we having to wait\u2014 we can\u2019t\u2014 we can\u2019t know what way to move until we get some contexts and feedback on\u2014 One encouraging thing is the Attorney General is not directly<\/i> entering in the case now. United States. But, uh, there\u2019s other\u2014\u00a0(Short laugh) yeah, other answers we\u2019ve got before us. And we\u2019ve got<\/i> to go back to work and produce. We still have to realize the realities that are with<\/i> us. (Pause) Anything can happen, but I don\u2019t see that\u2019s the end. Um, the police\u2014 as I say, the gov\u2014 the army has been\u2014 the head of the army has been very friendly, told us that any of our people went\u2014 tried to go across the border and cause any difficulty, they\u2019d get<\/i> them. They beefed up the army, beefed up the security, we\u2019ve seen evidences of that. We\u2019ve had, um\u2014 (Pause) And certainly anybody\u2019d be a fool<\/i>, trying to go anywhere in these goddamn times, they, you wouldn\u2019t trust your ass for nothing. And then we gotta talk about, if worst came to worst, going<\/i> back, because the moment you go back, they\u2019ll think you\u2019re up<\/i> to something. They won\u2019t believe it, and they won\u2019t believe it, and they\u2019ll\u2014 they\u2019ll arrest anybody did<\/i> try to come back to do any kind of justice. (Pause) So it\u2019s going to be a trick getting people back in there. We\u2019re gonna have to talk about that<\/i> today. Be sure to put that on the list. (Pause) Okay, now what do you folk think about this situation with her, and where\u2019s her head, and how does she think about the movement and has she been poisoned, affected to what degree, and h\u2014 how does she relate to us in general?<\/p>\n

Another Female:<\/b> When I left, she uh\u2014 she was excited about coming to see Yvette, because she hadn\u2019t seen her in about nine months, and uh, she\u2014 she told me she was going to bring some uh, medical supplies for the uh, clinic, like thermometers and like that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Another Female:<\/b> And uh, she had heard a lot of negative things about the\u2014\u00a0about over here\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Name\u2014 would you name what? Name what, beca\u2014 or who? Or who? If you know who, then I know what. \u2018Cause I know the liars.<\/p>\n

Another Female:<\/b> She, uh\u2014\u00a0she uh, met this lady that lives about two blocks or so from, from her.<\/p>\n

2nd female: <\/b>She\u2019s Ruth Oliver\u2019s grandmother.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>What?<\/p>\n

3rd female: <\/b>Ruth Oliver\u2019s grandmother.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, Jesus. (Pause)<\/p>\n

3rd female: <\/b>She had told her a lot of things, when she had came over here to try to see her sons. And she uh, told a lot of stuff that had happened to her.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What was it that happened to her?<\/p>\n

3rd female: <\/b>Like um \u2014\u00a0let me see \u2014\u00a0she told her that, that when she came to Georgetown, that uh, she wasn\u2019t allowed to come into\u2014\u00a0to Jonestown to see uh, the two sons, and uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You bet your ass, \u2018cause they come in here and try to kidnap \u2018em.<\/p>\n

3rd female: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And that\u2019s true. That\u2019s one. I\u2019m glad to hear they can tell the truth on one<\/i> sentence at least. (Laughs) Let\u2019s go on the next one.<\/p>\n

3rd female: <\/b>And that uh, in Georgetown that, that uh, the people<\/i> would try to steal all your jewelry, and, and not to wear any jewelry and stuff like that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (incredulous) What?<\/p>\n

3rd female: <\/b>\u2014\u00a0and, and that\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Unintelligible sound of frustration) When the black folk talking about black<\/i> folk now, there\u2019s\u2014 those mean black folk in Georgetown. Isn\u2019t that awful? Isn\u2019t that the way all jewel\u2014 I hope they stole some. I hope that some sonofabitch did\u2014 that sounds like the\u2014 maybe the Olivers got some shit stolen from them. I hope they did. (High laugh) I meditated that somebody would<\/i> choke and rob \u2018em, but\u2014 (Laugh)<\/p>\n

3rd female: <\/b>Let\u2019s see, uh\u2014 she told her that uh\u2014 I\u2019m thinking. (Turns from mike to talk to someone) Can you think (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Gravely voice: <\/b>Yeah, \u2018cause she said, she had saw Eva Brown and, and uh, and\u2014 who else?<\/p>\n

3rd female: <\/b>Diane Louie.<\/p>\n

Gravely voice: <\/b>Diane Louie. And that they wouldn\u2019t speak to her, and if she ever saw Eva again, that she\u2019d cut her throat and\u2014\u00a0this is what she said. This is what Bruce Oliver\u2019s grandmother said, right?<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>That was Bruce\u2019s mother.<\/p>\n

Gravely voice: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>That wasn\u2019t\u2014 that wasn\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Gravely voice: <\/b>(Cuts off male) Yes, she\u2019s been constantly communicating with uh, Yvette and Sandra\u2019s mother, but uh, Sandra and Yvette\u2019s mother refuses to listen to her and be\u2014 believe<\/i> her. You know, she\u2019s still friendly toward the cause, and\u2014 Matter of fact, she uh, has made all kind of offers to get things for us<\/i> to bring when we came, you know, medical supplies. She\u2019s all right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She\u2019s a nurse.<\/p>\n

Gravely voice: <\/b>23 years.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What kind contact she had with our meetings in the past?<\/p>\n

Gravely voice: <\/b>Well, she came to, what, three or four meetings. She was at\u2014\u00a0uh, well, she\u2014 unlike Yvette, Yvette came with us the first time, she joined. Her mother\u2019s been there twice or three times, something like that. And you know, she, uh, we\u2019ve<\/i> invited her two or three times \u2014\u00a0well, more that that \u2014\u00a0and she, she never wants to come to, you know, to meetings<\/i> and that. But she never speaks negative about it. She\u2019s always positive about the meetings, and\u2014 the only\u2014 about the only thing is, she\u2019s possessive of, of uh, the children, she\u2019s possessive, she likes to be close to my kids, you know, my uh, children and, and uh, Yvette and Sandra and myself too, matter of fact, and uh, I\u2019m afraid that it\u2019s m\u2014 more concern about that than, you know, the positive aspect.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The cause. Oh yeah. Sure. I\u2019m sure that\u2019s the truth.<\/p>\n

3rd female: <\/b>She also, be\u2014 just before we left, she said that uh, she would pack up and come and go with us if it wasn\u2019t for my other sister, who was uh, about to have an operation.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s encouraging.<\/p>\n

Female talks to Jim in aside, unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Just a minute. Mazor followed us there? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>Betty, what do you have to say?<\/p>\n

Betty: <\/b>Well, in her letters to me, she seemed kinda positive, she always um, talking about how much she miss me and how much she want to see me and stuff like that, and um, before I left\u2014 I know that\u2014 well, before I left, she didn\u2019t want me to come, but in her letter, she seem\u2014\u00a0she seemed to change a little bit. Now she know I\u2019m here and I\u2019m not coming back.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, fact is, that she, uh, she didn\u2019t put up all that much tear to stop you from coming<\/i> anyway. Since then, another daughter\u2014 Well, I think you two will have to meet her, there though. I\u2014\u00a0I think it would be dreadful dreadful shit to\u2014 to take a chance on meeting her here. At the present state anyway. Be too bad, because this is an impressive place. (Pause) \u2018Course something gonna happen in eight days, (unintelligible). (Pause) It\u2019s too bad that she can\u2019t meet it here, in my opinion.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> I\u2014\u00a0I think\u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t know her that well, but I\u2014 well, I know her very little, but I have talked to her on the phone a few times, and I think she would be impressed with what\u2019s happening here, if in fact there would be a period of time when we (unintelligible as JJ talks over her) some kind of a crisis.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Has long is she here? How long is she coming here?<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> Two weeks. She\u2019s coming for two weeks, but she was planning to go to Georgetown, rather than\u2014 they told her that she couldn\u2019t come here until August, but she preferred to come\u2014\u00a0go to Georgetown in April, so she could see Yvette. She wasn\u2019t that interested in seeing ah, Jonestown right now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, then, let\u2019s take that then and leave<\/i> it there. (Pause) If she comes understanding<\/i> that, then there\u2019s no problem.<\/p>\n

Female off mike:<\/b> She going to the hotel?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But we want to watch where she\u2019s use\u2014 she going to hotel?<\/p>\n

Female off mike:<\/b> That\u2019s where I\u2019m asking her, or staying with us.<\/p>\n

Another female: <\/b>She\u2019s staying with us, until (Jones talks over her)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, she should stay with us. I\u2014 I have no objection to that.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>\u2014 hotel reservation when I\u2014<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>I\u2014 I\u2014 I said to\u2014 I gave her all the telephone numbers\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But don\u2019t fail to be\u2014 realize\u2014\u00a0don\u2019t blind yourself to any relative. It could be that she\u2019s a spy. That\u2019s conceivable.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> But she did offer to make hotel reservations\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They\u2019ll pay\u2014 they pay big money, till they get through<\/i> with the people. I don\u2019t\u2014 I\u2019m not saying she is, I don\u2019t have any inclinu\u2014\u00a0inclination about it, but I\u2019m just saying, don\u2019t underestimate that prospect. And you can pick up certain information, even in our headquarters, that uh\u2014 if it wasn\u2019t for you, wasn\u2019t for your kids, I wouldn\u2019t even consider it. But I\u2019d\u2014\u00a0I\u2019d like to f\u2014 offset some of this shit\u2014 (stumbles for words) obviously<\/i>, we were not friendly to the Olivers. They had tried to shoot Marceline, they had tried to stab her, they had tried to do all kinds of crap, there was no way <\/i>we could be friendly to the Olivers. They didn\u2019t\u2014 They were\u2014\u00a0They were insane<\/i>. If they\u2019d a tried<\/i>\u2014\u00a0If they had tried to be friendly at all, we would\u2019ve been most accepting<\/i> of them, and they were going to meet with them, there was going to be a friendly meeting, until they made demands<\/i>. (Pause) They demanded<\/i> that the Embassy pick up their children, they demanded<\/i> they were going to come in here, and they were going to take them away. Insane<\/i> people. \u2018Cause they were paid to do it. So we left them there. Indeed, we did. We didn\u2019t have another thing to do with them. You don\u2019t want a thing to do with people saying the evil things they<\/i> were saying. They were saying terrible<\/i> lies. And now, I\u2019ve done everything under the sun, they\u2019re so evil, I don\u2019t even want to think<\/i> about them, I can\u2019t even imagine that woman could ever have been in our church, and be as evil as she is. Be black<\/i>, on top of it, and go back and talk about, watch your jewelry, they\u2019ll steal it. Outrageous bunch of people. That\u2019s something you expect from a white person, being in a black country. Well, be careful. Be careful, because you\u2019re liable to get stolen from. That sounds just exactly what a white person say, be careful if you go down Fillmore. Somebody\u2019ll rape you. Dumb people. (Pause) Well, we all got shit-ass relatives, I guess that\u2019s all there is to it.<\/p>\n

Strong crowd reaction.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, yes yes. Luann, I\u2019m sorry.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> Excuse me, I\u2014 I just wanted to say I have had close confrontation with Beverly Oliver, and from the very beginning, I think she would\u2019ve shot me if she had a gun. And there\u2019s no comparison between\u2014 I know what you\u2019re saying, we can\u2019t take anything for granted, but there\u2019s no comparison between Beverly Oliver and your mother, and her reactions. And I gave, um, Leona Collier as her contact, and also gave all<\/i> the phone numbers, and she asked if she should make hotel reservations, and I said no, there\u2019d be a place for her. So (Pause) (Sighs) Uh, I personally<\/i> have a good feeling about your mother. I don\u2019t have the insight\u2014 (fades off, then mike comes back on) I don\u2019t have the insight that Dad has in any sense of the word\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (talks over her) Isn\u2019t a matter of insight. It\u2019s just a matter that anybody\u2014 the old saying, everybody\u2019s got a price. Have you ever heard that old saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Some assent<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s a pretty\u2014 It musta been fairly well true, or somebody wouldn\u2019t have been using it all these years. How many has heard that as long as you\u2019ve lived? Everybody got their price. (Pause) And sometimes I wonder if that\u2019s not true, about everybody except Father and a handful of others.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Scattered) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s all I\u2019m saying, just go into it with a clea\u2014 a wary eye, and look for anything. Then, if she\u2019s friendly, you know, give her\u2014 we\u2019ll give her hospitality, we\u2019ll do our best to share what we have. (Pause) And hope to win her.<\/p>\n

New male voice:<\/b> But, um, she\u2019s very<\/i> discontent with uh, the way she\u2019s living, I think, and she goes all out to help other people, you know, with her material<\/i> gains that she get in the States and that, uh. She\u2019s married to a alcoholic and\u2014 the whole trip is money, you know, which, I\u2014\u00a0before\u2014\u00a0before she started getting all this money and things and that, she was a different person<\/i>, you know, but she never stopped giving to people. Which to me is a socialistic way of thinking, if not, you know\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Muses) I wonder, if we shouldn\u2019t consider, though, thinking about bringing her in here, for the one, one point. Two weeks is the only thing bothers the hell out of me.<\/p>\n

Female off mike, unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Because, if she come back and settle<\/i> some of this shit, and\u2014\u00a0even if she\u2019s not inclined to be decent, if she wants her children so much, she won\u2019t be as apt to go back and lie. And you can make it very damn clear, if you go back and lie, Mom, we\u2019re through<\/i>. If you don\u2019t go back and tell how beautiful this place is, we\u2019re finished<\/i>. That way would be an incentive<\/i> for her to go back and talk about the beauty of this place. (Pause) So you see what I\u2019m saying? I think we ought to debate that.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> If they were to meet her there\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If we have a White Night, we can take (unintelligible phrase\u2014\u00a0her over?) to Camp One and put up a sudden tent and put you folk out in Camp One (Laughs).<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> Go on a vacation to Camp One.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You can say, yes, you\u2019re\u2014 you\u2019re going fishing, we\u2019ll take you to (Laughs).<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> Um, if they were to\u2014 If, say, they and we\u2019ll\u2014 I guess maybe Jim Junior could go into town and spend a week there, and then all of them bring her<\/i> out here, I think<\/i> she would be impressed with what\u2019s happening in the medical. She\u2019s worked in pediatrics.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, I don\u2019t know about leaving her there at all, because they\u2014 fucking place can\u2019t see at night nor day.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> Okay, well, maybe they should bring her, bring her on out here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If you\u2019re going to bring her\u2014 (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Female in crowd: <\/b>Dad, I\u2019m just wondering, could I ask you this\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> In an economy, or they\u2019re in total economics, (stumbles over words) they\u2019re trying to cut off the water, and if we have a\u2014 if we have<\/i> it, the woman\u2019s had nothing but a drunken husband, she might as well be here. I mean, if they come down\u2014 I<\/i> think they\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0we\u2019ll plow through that<\/i>, uh, I think a lot of communist furor that\u2019ll be raised in the world to resist that shit. If they don\u2019t<\/i>\u2014 I don\u2019t think they\u2019ll let a Guyana be taken over by a brutal dictatorship, and I still say a thousand people are not easy to dispose<\/i> of. I\u2019m just being practical. I\u2019m being practical. A thousand people represent a problem. And we could get somebody<\/i> in here that would go back and give a good report, you could make her, uh, conditional<\/i>, just say, Mom, now if we get contact, we will want you to talk to the press, we want you to go back there and talk<\/i> to these people, and get on there and say<\/i> something, and then you can come back and vacation with us again<\/i>. After all, shit, it\u2019s a free vacation. The grub\u2019s on the house, we can do little extra things for her, so she won\u2019t realize all<\/i> the austerity we\u2019ve had to go through now. We can fix a little extra things for somebody like that. It\u2019s worth our time<\/i>, don\u2019t you think?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And don\u2019t give any complaint. Don\u2019t give a negative shit to her. (Pause) What?<\/p>\n

Female off mike, unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, if they\u2014 they get near her, we\u2019ll kill \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They\u2019re supposed to stay away from her. It\u2019s a family, and uh, you\u2019re right, Kay. Nobody better be talking to her, except the ones that\u2019re assigned<\/i> to talking to her. The rest say hi and bye.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> I think\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I think that\u2019s good, Kay, we need to work on who, and the one, and the rest don\u2019t get in\u2014 (stumbles over words) you mother fuckers better not get near her. Ju\u2014 Griping \u2018bout everything. (Threatening tone) I mean, we will drop you in a shithole.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause and cheers.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> I think the fact that, first of all, she was coming the first of March, she\u2019d gotten all this negative input from the Olivers, that without any<\/i> reluctance at all, I\u2014\u00a0when I said, it would be better if you came in April, she said, I\u2019ll change my vacation. She could be a good P.R. person for us back there, if in fact she could come and see what\u2019s happening in\u2014in\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If she\u2019s like her kids, she\u2019s got a strong character, so I\u2019d\u2014 Now as I said, if it comes to the end<\/i>, it comes to the end<\/i>, the woman will\u2014\u00a0we\u2019ll be doing her a blessing, \u2018cause she\u2019ll be able to step out of this miserable sick existence and go over. The remote chances. We\u2014Our li\u2014\u00a0Our chances of (laughs) coming to the end is about as remote as the sun falling, though. Looks to me like we always endure, but it makes us strong.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, Sue.<\/p>\n

Sue: <\/b>Uh, something that\u2019s occurred to me this morning, is uh, is there any, uh\u2014\u00a0could we get anything out of a hostel how\u2014 not, not, you know, like hostile angry, but like, a, a place where people could stay in Kaituma. We\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Unintelligible word) shit. (Unintelligible phrase) off<\/i> Kaituma. I wouldn\u2019t impress nobody<\/i> by Kaituma at this stage.<\/p>\n

Sue: <\/b>I have\u2014\u00a0I\u2019ve never seen Kaituma.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, then, you\u2014\u00a0that\u2019s all right, she didn\u2019t\u2014\u00a0that\u2019s why you said it. (Laughs) I think we ought to work on a quick Kaituma, a quick house, though. If there\u2019s any way we could\u2014 if we get some peace, we could build some truly<\/i>, quickly, over in Camp One, if shit went to worse, then you got to decide to go down and go fishing. You could go fishing while the shit was going on, \u2018cause we always set these ah, fuckers through. No, but the\u2014 when she hears the whistle, you can say there\u2019s a fire or something (Laughs.)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> When there\u2019s shooting, we\u2019re out\u2014\u00a0we\u2019re out shooting bear. (Laughs) (Tape cuts off briefly.) \u2014that? (Pause) She be\u2014<\/p>\n

End of side 2<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted April 1999<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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