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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Side 1<\/a>, Side 2<\/a>).
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And Patty [Cartmell]- And Patty running through a crowd with those boobs<\/i>, she’d knock off two<\/i> with her boobs.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Be a hell of a day. (Pause) Wait, wait, wait, wait.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Hubbub and laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don’t want to get charged with indecent. It would be indecent.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> There ain’t nothing more indec- decent to look at, I can’t think of. Okay, where are we, what [are] we doing now, let’s get down to the bedrock shit. We’ve had enough light humor for you- us- I guess some folk need<\/i> it. (Muses) Who is Betty- Beverly Oliver called to say that she’s going to the police on Gary Young because he didn’t have ministerial license and he, uh, married Bruce [Oliver] and Shanda [Oliver]. Ain’t this the shits. She getting me- She gonna get me for being a witness. Guy (Unintelligible word) said he had a copy of the license and the marriage license made for her. Ain’t that the bitch? She don’t care who she destroys. But keep telling me. That’s good. Keep telling me all this shit, ’cause I- I do want to make mincemeat of her.<\/p>\n

Andrea Yvette Walker:<\/b> Dad, she said the same thing about Tony [Walker] and I, that how can he be married to Shanda, and marry Tony and I, that he was a false minister and-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He-\u00a0Uh-\u00a0False minister, my ass. He’s got a doctor, divinity from the Presbyterian Church, and<\/i> the Disciples, he’s ordained in our denomination- the bitch-\u00a0but that just shows how wicked<\/i> she is. She didn’t know it, and so she’s willing to get him- to go put him in jail. I gonna remember that bitch.<\/p>\n

Male in<\/b> crowd:<\/b> That’s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And Christine, a black woman, gonna put her in jail too, as being a false witness. I’m gonna remember her.<\/p>\n

Male in<\/b> crowd:<\/b> That’s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She better live-\u00a0She better- She better enjoy her- her hate<\/i> while she’s got it, ’cause that bitch is going to get it someway.<\/p>\n

Voices in<\/b> crowd:<\/b> That’s right. (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I think we ought to think about some good long way, though, to see that they last<\/i> a while. Life is its own worst ju- uh, judgment. Yes, Shanda.<\/p>\n

Shanda:<\/b> She told-\u00a0She also told the foreign minister [then-Guyana Minister of Foreign Affairs Fred Wills] here that I was a set-up to get Bruce over here, um, in a slave camp, and um, you know, so-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Unintelligible word) -that’s nice.<\/p>\n

Shanda:<\/b> -when I went in to talk to them, he said that um, I would- you know, so he wouldn’t believe anything I had to say. She told him that I was a set-up, to get him over here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, you’re a pretty set-up. But that’s a damn lie. (Pause) Boy, they sure tell you how they’d<\/i> do things, huh? How long were you gu-\u00a0you two guys uh, (unintelligible names) how long were you relating – My Christ – before that happened? Two years? Two years, before you ever come to (unintelligible word), weren’t you and Bruce together? It’s a long time to wait for a set-up.<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> Sure is.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The lying sons-a-bitches. (Pause) This is just- uh, wicked, wicked- I- wicked- I want-\u00a0just ge-\u00a0just, just write it up, I- I don’t want to get my mind on the bitch today, ’cause I can’t get my hands on her. And I want to-\u00a0I want to get her primarily for trying to kill your mother, who- who- you’re Nick’s best friend, I want to get her, come stormin’ ass in that church, trying to kill her. I’m gonna- I’m telling you, the bitch is going to pay for that shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Shift around. Shift around. And by the way, uh- It- To show you the evil of the CIA system, the Interpol system, our chief informant, Harold Rogers, has been uh, exposed to triple leukemia. It’s brought about by some type of radiation. He’s one of the chief informers that stepped out, and he’s dying – a black man –\u00a0who had been high up in police ranks. (Pause) A number of others have been killed by that- by just being exposed to the re-\u00a0the\u00a0tests<\/i>that are being done by these-\u00a0 (Unintelligible word) government done of their own officers and their own military, I told you about that. Now can anyone tell me anything about the news this morning? (Pause) Lew, tell me some point.<\/p>\n

Lew Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Um- Um- you um, Jan, um-\u00a0Jan uh-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Better shut up, now.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0Jane Fonda sold her body and got um, fifty thousand dollars for the Black Panthers, and um-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0She did one time, at her high moment.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0And um-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0To an old 70-year-old white prick.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0And it’s-\u00a0now she’s a sellout, and-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0She’s a sellout. That’s what pains. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(Voices in crowd unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0He’s still talking (Unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Amazing, some of the things that some folk can listen to. Sammy Days- Uh, Sammy Davis lost his manhood, if he ever had it.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah, that’s the point. (Laughs) That’s the point.<\/p>\n

(Voices in crowd unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0And um-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That pretty good, Lew. You got a- That’s a good- You caught that, I passed over that very fast, so, that’s pretty good.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0And uh-<\/p>\n

(Voices in crowd unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Hold it. Hold it. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b>\u00a0Lew Jones Junior, he worked with me the other night giving out uh, treats, and uh-<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b>\u00a0Can’t hear you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Said they can’t hear you.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b>\u00a0I just wanted to say about Lew Jones, Junior, I hadn’t had an opportunity to get to really know him too well, I hope to get to more, but he’s a natural organizer.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b>\u00a0We can’t hear-<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b>\u00a0He is a natural organizer. Lew Jones\u00a0Junior<\/i>\u00a0is a natural organizer. I’m just telling, from what I could pick up, from the way he helped me hand out treats, he could be really a general superintendent when he gets grown up.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah, I like the kid. I like that kid.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b>\u00a0Not everybody has that natural ability, to look at a situation and pull it together, and organize it, and push it forward. (Pause) He’s got it.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0And uh- Um- I don’t know his name, but he said we should have- they should have more police stories on TV, uh, and-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That’s what\u00a0Chlotile- I was very proud,\u00a0Chlotile\u00a0has a- uh, Butler has a little problem, that she was- she-\u00a0she caught that thing on television. That’s pretty complicated. That’s what you was getting ready to tell me, isn’t that what- (Stumbles over words) what you were saying, Comrade Butler.<\/p>\n

(Voices unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Butler:<\/b>\u00a0Excuse me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Listen to this, this is- this is our- she’s a senior, she’s a senior, come on, folk, come on. She has some arterio sclerosis, supposedly, damaged from diabetes, that- this is fascinating.<\/p>\n

Butler:<\/b>\u00a0I said, TV was set up back in [former President Dwight D.] Eisenhower’s time, and Harry Truman, uh, for the- for the black man’s benefit, that he would blow his mind on different kind of musics and all that hi- hi- hifi- hi- high music, and there were folks that- it was so high that they’d have to uh, almost knock their eardrums out, listening at it, but itworked<\/i>\u00a0with the young people. And of course, they are keeping it up all al- all along to keep the ru- older people ruler over the young man’s-\u00a0young people’s mind, that they won’t be able to think for themselves.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah, you got an important aspect. There’s more to that story, too, there. (Mumbles) It was very, very- (Pause)\u00a0We<\/i>\u00a0all\u00a0knew<\/i>\u00a0it, uh, but it now is revealed by the FBI papers as a sick mess. It was a long, complicated mess. Boy, they- they been anticipating the human mind for years. I’d say anything that that’s well-orchestrated, friend, you can\u00a0know<\/i>\u00a0is at a high level of conspiracy at this day. ‘Cause they weren’t-\u00a0they didn’t hardly know what TV was about, and they had already this concocted shit, and government funding to do it. What was some of the things they set TV up, they- all the purposes they tried to achieve through TV? (Pause) I don’t expect every one of you to remember\u00a0all<\/i>\u00a0of it, but you- yeah, yeah, what, what- what was some of it. (Mumbles) Well, hold it, now hold it. Uh- Let’s go down- let’s go down the line here. Let’s go down the line here.<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b>\u00a0Excuse me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Let sister-\u00a0that sister standing, you want to ask her?<\/p>\n

Voices unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Hold it. Hold it, hold it, hold- hold it.<\/p>\n

Ethel Mathilda Belle:<\/b>\u00a0John Wayne is dying from open heart surgery.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Good. I’m glad he is. But- thank you for the news.<\/p>\n

Belle:<\/b>\u00a0(unintelligible) I’m eighty- Today is my birthday, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0What’s that?<\/p>\n

Belle:<\/b>\u00a0Today is my birthday.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Happy birthday, honey. Happy White Night.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Belle:<\/b>\u00a0Today- (laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughs) You’re my sweet. You’re lovely. I love you.<\/p>\n

Belle:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Happy birthday, darling.<\/p>\n

Belle:<\/b>\u00a088 years today, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0How many?<\/p>\n

Belle:<\/b>\u00a088.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a088.<\/p>\n

Belle:<\/b>\u00a0Yes, darling.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Beautiful, love. You wait-\u00a0You left the Caribbean to go to the United States and come back. Well, that’s good.<\/p>\n

(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a088. Marvelous. (Pause) She’s sweet. Not only that, she heard something else about John Wayne today. What else do you hear about John Wayne today? I can’t get over these sons-a-bitches. I’d at least die with a little dignity if I had- I’d think even\u00a0capitalism<\/i>\u00a0could get over their fears. What happened to good old Johnny? Bruce? What happened to Johnny?<\/p>\n

Bruce:<\/b>\u00a0Uh, President Carter’s sister went to him to try to convert him over-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0No, she didn’t\u00a0go<\/i>\u00a0to him. He\u00a0called<\/i>\u00a0for her.<\/p>\n

Bruce:<\/b>\u00a0Called for her. He converted her over to-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Can’t hear. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(Voices unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Bruce:<\/b>\u00a0Uh, President-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Shut up back there.<\/p>\n

Screech from Mr. Muggs<\/a>, Jonestown chimpanzee<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Thank you, Muggs.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Bruce:<\/b>\u00a0Uh, he called for President Carter’s sister to come with him, uh, that convert him over to Jesus Christ and that in his last minute, that he think that, uh, Jesus Christ is uh, going to come out at the last minute, save him a spot maybe in heaven\u00ad\u00ad-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Said he had a feeling in the hospital room that Jesus entered his heart. The poor fuckin’ heart’s been just opened so it’ll flow with the-\u00a0let a little\u00a0blood<\/i>\u00a0in. I don’t know how he got that big fart Jesus in there on top of that-\u00a0something else.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0The old son-of-a-bitch. (Laughs) Stupid old son-of-a-bitch. It ain’t no- it ain’t any no- Fuck. (Bass voice) Big shoot ’em up cowboy John Wayne, find he scared of dying, so he gets on Jesus’ side, just before he dies. Throws his cigarettes away, just in time.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Bass) So he can be in that great Hollywood company up in the sky. Gonna shoot ’em up for Jesus. (Normal tone) Dumb ass. (Pause) I- I don’t mind White Nights, when I think of the maniacs that’s back in that country.<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/b>\u00a0That’s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah. What’s up?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0(Unintelligible about kitchen)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughs) She said, the kitchen wants us to die. I don’t know what the fuck’s going on.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughs) She said the kitchen wants the diabetics and the pregnant mothers to do what?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Raise their hands-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0To raise their hands, so you can get your potion first.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughs) Okay. Okay. Where are Moms Mabley [likely Bertha Cook]? You making any new jokes on all this shit? (Laughs) You ought to have eight new\u00a0lines<\/i>\u00a0on this shit. (Laughs) You-\u00a0You ought-\u00a0For Guyana, you oughta do-\u00a0you oughta do a take-off on John Wayne finding Jesus, in your next show.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Unintelligible) Don’t forget Mae West.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Mae West? Yeah, yeah. (Unintelligible word) (Laughs) Mae West! (Laughs) Mae West tried to have her\u00a0boobs<\/i>\u00a0tied up, and she got some fuckin’ infection, and they’re about to rot off.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub One person claps)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughs) I think she deserves it, the old bitch.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0All right, what- Lew Jones, what happened? What were some of the horrors of that TV business?<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0The uh- I was going to say something else about the FBI.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0The FBI?<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0Um-hmm. Uh, one-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Shh. Quiet, please.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0One um-\u00a0one of the FBI um, agents um, revealed about um, about TV’s, what, um, let me see-<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b>\u00a0(Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0A CIA storm. (Pause) All the meters are dead, all of our bands, they said. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0Oh-\u00a0And uh, that um, he said that it makes-\u00a0it makes people don’t want to stand up to the um, capitalist-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0When I’ve got quiet now, we’re going to get some news here.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0It- it-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0You can’t hear back there. What do you mean, you can’t hear back there.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0Okay. It makes the um, people don’t stand up to the capitalist- And so-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Is the PA dead back there? You’re having more trouble than usual?<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Well, everybody else is waving at the back row, and even outside, saying they hear it. So let’s get the-\u00a0Let’s talk on loudly. Come on.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0Okay. Um-\u00a0One of the FBI um, agents said that um, they can brainwash people by-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0What’s his name? Anybody remember it?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I’ve forgotten myself. That’s why I’m asking.<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b>\u00a0(variations on) Puchrio.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0Patrio. James Cabrio. James Cabrio. Cutrio.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. Shh.<\/p>\n

Lew:<\/b>\u00a0And uh, it makes-\u00a0it makes the people don’t stand up to the capitalist because it shows in the TV’s that the um, people who be trying to struggle, they always lose and they- it-\u00a0it make the people scared of the um, the police stories and stuff like that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Okay, now, let’s go down point by point. Each give a point of what – thank you, Lew, you have a good mind, a good sharp mind – what-\u00a0what are some of the very dangerous horrible things that the-\u00a0that this FBI paper revealed, this guy had held it for 25 years, and he’s dying. Um- I guess it’s the only way to feel safe to-\u00a0to reveal it. His wife’s dead too, wasn’t it?<\/p>\n

One<\/b>\u00a0voice:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Okay.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0Uh- Another thing about the TV shows that this- they’re-\u00a0they’re um- they’rebrainwashing<\/i>\u00a0the people by sh-\u00a0by showing them um- they use um, large guns so they-\u00a0that they won’t know that small guns can do the same amount of damage as the larger weapon, and also-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That’s what the mayor’s commission called for. (Pause) Yeah. This is a little different from the paper. That was a separate thing. The mayor who cau-\u00a0who concerned about the violence that (stumbles over words) the handgun, the Saturday Night Special, uh, gives people too many ideas that they can go out-\u00a0See, they don’t want- (Stumbles over words) That was something they didn’t\u00a0count<\/i>\u00a0on. They liked the violence because, what did it do? It release- it released the pent-up emotion. People get caught up in the shows, then they lose all their anger, and it- it works- it’s good thing for them on\u00a0that<\/i>\u00a0angle.\u00a0That<\/i>\u00a0was number one. Shit, it was so complex, I’m too tired without um, rest to remember all of it. It uh-\u00a0what the shit-\u00a0There was some new angle- Isolation. Promote isolation. But there some\u00a0horrible<\/i>\u00a0things that [former FBI Director J. Edgar] Hoover quoted, that when the population has to be isolated, when segments of the population have to be\u00a0isolated<\/i>, (Pause) then that- they what? They-<\/p>\n

Voice in<\/b>\u00a0crowd:<\/b>\u00a0Dangerous minorities.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Dangerous<\/i>\u00a0minorities, yes. When the-<\/p>\n

Another<\/b>\u00a0voice:<\/b>\u00a0Forget when they’re hungry-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0And forgets when they’re hungry, yes, it forget- cau- cause them to forget when they’re hungry, and that there was a governmental funding to see that the major television industries be able to put a TV- Westinghouse in particularly named-\u00a0to put a TV in every house, no matter if they had food. (Pause) And we\u00a0see<\/i>\u00a0that. Do you notice that everything in the United States is going up? TV’s were going down. We shoulda been able to\u00a0see<\/i>\u00a0that. That was plain. And when TVs went down down, you can even get\u00a0color<\/i>\u00a0TV for a damn cheap price.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Hell, you could buy a TV, all of a sudden, it’s 400, 500, then you could re- buy a son-of-a-bitch for 69.95.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0That’s right. That’s the only thing you can put on credit, almost.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0It’s about the only thing you can get on credit. That’s what it said. This FBI report said that.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0And also they had- the really (unintelligible word) you can rent (unintelligible word) for almost nothing.<\/p>\n

One voice:<\/b>\u00a0Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0You can rent TVs, almost nothing, on contract.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0But\u00a0Hoover<\/i>\u00a0admitted the ineffectuality of the system too. He said something else. I wish I could stick my brain on it. I’ll have to go back and get the notes. (Pause) So even though it’s the be-\u00a0the free enterprise system, it\u00a0cannot<\/i>\u00a0meet ne- the needs- (stumbles over words) of total employment, or something they needed to not- not be done. Can’t eliminate poverty. (chews ice) And eventually, it will have to isolate\u00a0whole<\/i>\u00a0segments of the population. The government’ll have to do that. So we want to make them\u00a0passive<\/i>. So they put the input on\u00a0police<\/i>\u00a0stories, so people would respect the police – wake up, dears, please – would uh, would uh, put the- the input-\u00a0the emphasis would be on\u00a0police<\/i>\u00a0to make them respect\u00a0police<\/i>, so they would not\u00a0resist<\/i>\u00a0when the police came for them. And we see that every\u00a0day<\/i>. Woman- Police Woman- Police Stories. I don’t know all them damn-\u00a0all those damn things. I never watch TV.<\/p>\n

Several voices.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0What is it?<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b>\u00a0Make them hate minorities.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Make them hate minorities. Yes. Subtle prejudices implanted- both in Hollywood too. [Walt] Disney was bigly-\u00a0was greatly funded for all these cheap shit comedies. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Gets people to convalesce early.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0And gets people to convalesce quicker, so they can be back uh, in the job market, and save the insurance companies\u00a0money<\/i>. Big business. I been dealing with human beings not like that for twenty- (unintelligible) The report’s 25 years old, and it started before that. (Pause) Now that- that’s a (stretches out word) bad business. If they were back there dealing with people like\u00a0that<\/i>, like a piece of shit, dealing with specks of dust, or like you deal with some kind of a one-celled creature, if they were doing it back then, you can\u00a0better<\/i>\u00a0believe what the hell they’re doing now.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Right. (Unintelligible) Lay awake in the night-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0If you lay awake at night, yeah, about insomnia. What-\u00a0what was it exactly. It’s insomnia-\u00a0Insomnia-\u00a0Insomniacs can be dangerous. So you’ve got to get them- divert them with the late, late sh- um, shows.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0But if they lay awake at nights worrying, they might get to thinking that the system was wrong instead of them.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0And uh, they-\u00a0people should not be allowed to have time to just\u00a0think<\/i>. They- they had to be kept diverted.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That’s right. (Pause) And they said, you don’t need as much food, too. With TV, they’d been proven, they’d done some study, that you don’t\u00a0need<\/i>\u00a0as much food. It’s wonderful. To think we were- we were lending ourselves, (stumbles over words) I wish every time I’d seen somebody looking at the son-of-a-bitch, we’da throwed something through it. Think that we were being\u00a0controlled<\/i>. Don’t need Adolf Hitler. We had Adolf TV. (Pause) You’re waiting too long. You’re waiting too long (unintelligible under radio interference) take over the world. When are you going to go back and fuck with Mrs. Carter [First Lady Rosalynn Carter]? Huh? When are you going to go back and fuck with Mrs. Carter in (unintelligible under radio interference)? (Pause) This is one thing, give me courage. I wish you would- It would make no difference what, just as long as they’re not- not one of them honky, (unintelligible word), (accent of stereotype yokel) come through with honky mommy, but she’d now a nigger mommy, but my God, he’d come through, just slid through. Slid through. Just give it some time, ain’t gone have no trouble, ’cause they all gone look like this.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That’s right. (normal tone) Then you-\u00a0what we’re gone fight over. Ain’t gone be able to fight over race. Say, look at me, honey. (unintelligible under radio interference)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I fuck, and I come\u00a0through<\/i>. (unintelligible under radio interference) (normal tone) Daddy is mixed, Asiatic\u00a0and<\/i>\u00a0white. (unintelligible under radio interference) And then his momma is white, and he\u00a0still<\/i>\u00a0comes through, you look like (unintelligible under radio interference)- express, right down the damn Asian mainline. Right? (Unintelligible) That’s gives me encouragement, not ’cause he’s\u00a0my<\/i>\u00a0grandchild, but because, by God, one day, Mr. White Man won’t have any- he thinks he’s racial purity, he-\u00a0shit, he can’t match that. (Yokel accent) You fuck her tonight, you fuck it, I want it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(unintelligible under radio interference) (Normal tone) -I sense has got plans for me, I don’t know whether I like him or not. ‘Cause I’m hardly off the bottle. (unintelligible under radio interference) -the bottle. The bottle- (unintelligible under radio interference). (Pause) I would call that a hostile look. Tch-tch-tch.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0He’s okay. Shit. I’ll share anything with Father, (stumbles over words), that, everything has to be going- (Laughs) Okay, what’s next on the damn mess?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Another thing was that Ramona [Lamotha] is holding her own and ga- and gaining more ground.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yes, yes (unintelligible under radio interference) It’s okay, Rose, she was up all night, she should be- she should be in bed. Uh, we don’t punish people- (unintelligible under radio interference) (Laughs) If she’da been nice (stumbles over words), I could\u00a0hate<\/i>\u00a0you one day, and if you get nice 24- get nice 24- 24 hours later, I\u00a0love<\/i>\u00a0you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Keep smiling, Kay [Nelson]. You look beautiful. ‘Cause with good work is what beauty-\u00a0You worked and didn’t make (unintelligible under radio interference) worked all night, I think we ought to give Kay a good hand.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Applause)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Do I have to be under supervision, Dad?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0What?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Do I have to be under supervision, Dad?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Is it important for you\u00a0not<\/i>\u00a0to be under supervision?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0I don’t know.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Well, what I’m saying, you want to\u00a0not<\/i>\u00a0be under supervision?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Yes, Dad, I’d like that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(unintelligible under radio interference) doing pretty well-<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Yes-<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Today (unintelligible under radio interference), they’re all sleeping-<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0I know, yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Well, honey, we’ll let you try. Don’t fuck up.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Thank you, Dad. I won’t.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0‘Cause some night, I think everybody ought to be under supervision, makes the- brings the best out of us.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:\u00a0<\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/b>I’m<\/i>\u00a0under supervision. (Pause) Yeah, they don’t understand it. It’s too complex to understand, I guess. (Pause) I’m under supervision. I’d- I’d just delight to come here and talk. Just delighted. Thirteen hours yesterday- I love that so much, hell, I went home and jacked off five times after that, I- I had so much fun here. (Pause) And I hope you (unintelligible under radio interference)- I’m\u00a0obviously<\/i>\u00a0a\u00a0prisoner<\/i>. The last thing I want to do is\u00a0talk<\/i>.\u00a0Hurts<\/i>too much, in the first place. Second place, it don’t work. And in the third place, people always mumble. So you- \u00adnobody could listen, and you people in security are going to have to take uh, more loosely in here to get it to under control, ’cause they just keep it up. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Alfred March:<\/b>\u00a0Well, Dad, the thing I was going to say about television was already said, but Lew asked me to say that um, TV- that they use it for propaganda, and that they said that they was going to get everybody having a T-\u00a0television, even the poor people, and I had another thing I was going to say, they said that um, UFO’s, that they is- they come and- that you had said, they come in groups of four and sixteen, (unintelligible under radio interference) and the Air Force has tried to go out and catch up with them, but they went up to them (unintelligible under radio interference), they went- they went fast or sometimes, they just went up higher, they just completely stopped. And the other thing that you had said, was um, that Sammy Davis Jr. was a-\u00a0was a\u00a0sellout<\/i>\u00a0and that he was going crazy ’cause he couldn’t\u00a0fuck<\/i>\u00a0anymore.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That’s the- You’re a smart kid. He’s a bright kid. And by the way, another thing he reminded me of, I forgot, and then I reported- they didn’t-\u00a0I didn’t- they didn’t make the connection. We remembered\u00a0before<\/i>\u00a0we had heard news about cable TV being put in the homes so that they’d be able to monitor every home both ways, it’ll be-\u00a0they-\u00a0you can see it, and they can see\u00a0you<\/i>, Big Brother can watch you, like 1984. Well, it said the\u00a0goal<\/i>\u00a0was to have a cable\u00a0TV<\/i>\u00a0system in every home, and it re- at that time of this report, it mentioned that currently- the- the current news was that there were twenty-one thousand five hundred homes in USA that have cable TV. Now\u00a0that<\/i>\u00a0would be, if your average family is five- (short laugh) be better than half of your people are already ge- under cable TV. I didn’t pick up on the cable TV. Uh-\u00a0that was in there too. So they can watch\u00a0you<\/i>. You worry about a little watching\u00a0we<\/i>\u00a0do, how’d you like being watched while you screw and watched while you blow your nose and watched while you wipe your ass or take your Tampax out, huh?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b>\u00a0TV on or off.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0TV on or off. It will-\u00a0It will monitor you. On or off. USA.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Um, they had something in Detroit, they were going to start a mandatory uh, situation where it cost six dollars that, you’d have to pay the six dollars and they would connect something to your television that would allow them to tune in (unintelligible word), like an emergency, they could just come into your home, and you would hear the government or the system speaking to you through your television. They would cause you- You’d have to put it on your uh, I think it was through the Edison Company, it was six dollars, that would be added to your-to your bill. It was sometime after that that if they were going to put on your television, that-<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/b>We could see.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0No, this was putting in through your home, start talking to you (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

(Several exchanges unintelligible under radio interference)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0-buying that TV ser- I mean that uh, telephone service, paying six bucks for it in all-\u00a0major cities now, and all the instructions are\u00a0what<\/i>– And-\u00a0And then they say it’s supposed to protect you and they- in case of a national emergency, nuclear war. What the fuck they going to tell you? “Hello, patron. The\u00a0bomb<\/i>\u00a0is coming. You have 18 minutes to get ready to have your ass fried.”<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Scattered laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That’s all the fuck you could\u00a0do<\/i>. What you going to do in downtown Detroit? No underground shelters. Only\u00a0Soviets<\/i>– Only\u00a0communist<\/i>\u00a0countries have underground shelters for their people. (Unintelligible word) dumb pricks, pay six dollars to have somebody say, “Bomb’s on its way, honey. Pray.” (Pause) You people don’t know what the hell’s going on out there, I’m- I’m not trying to be humorous, but\u00a0you<\/i>\u00a0show that\u00a0you<\/i>\u00a0don’t understand what’s going on.<\/p>\n

Female voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0What’s that?<\/p>\n

Woman:\u00a0<\/b>I don’t think they’d tell the people anyway. Oh, Reb [James Edwards] had overheard some stuff to the effect that if people know about this coming, they’d panic and run around crazy and that the decision was that (deliberate tone) they would not tell the people-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I’ve not read it, but I wouldn’t doubt it.<\/p>\n

Woman:\u00a0<\/b>And the-\u00a0the excuse was that more people were unsheltered right after they heard the news, ’cause they would panic and rush out from the stores and stuff, but the net effect was, if a bomb would be coming, they would\u00a0not<\/i>\u00a0tell the people, they would let it land on the people’s shelters without any warning.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Sure<\/i>. Makes sense. Keep the slaves in order until they’re fried. Till your eyeballs drop out. They ain’t gone tell nobody. ‘Cause you might run down the street and get in the way of one of their helicopters while they’re trying to get out to some refuge or to get to their jet to take off, if they\u00a0could<\/i>\u00a0make it in time. Or their underground tunnel that they got for all the rich ruling class, what they’d call that mother fucker, in the, in Silo Mount uh- Iron Mountain in New- New York, for [Nelson] Rockefeller. (Pause) Huh?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(unintelligible under radio interference) Vertical what?<\/p>\n

Voice in<\/b>\u00a0crowd:<\/b>\u00a0Vertical take offs and landings. VTOL.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Vertical take off and landing, so they can shoot right up a jet and get their asses out.And<\/i>\u00a0come down here, so we can shoot ’em.<\/p>\n

Scattered:\u00a0<\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That’ll make good hunting. We’ll be able to have these ovens hot.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0Oh yeah! Oh yeah!<\/p>\n

End of side 1<\/b><\/p>\n

Side 2<\/b><\/p>\n

Male:<\/b>\u00a0And also the problems her daughter would come home with. (Tape edit) There should be a-\u00a0a- a strong- (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0People- people feel- and you look tired. I thought I’d give you some hours, but obviously, you must not have got some rest. Sit down. Some of you look tired. Some of you look uh, tired.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Peace. (Pause) I don’t think while I’m talking, you want to be swatting the fucking flies. That don’t make not sense. We- we’ll-we’ll- we’ll work on it. Now you’re going to have to settle down here, too. It’s going to have to settle down up here. All of you [are] going to have to settle down. (Pause) Don’t climb up this high, nobody, because- They can’t do it. It distracts.\u00a0All<\/i>\u00a0right. Um- I- I was starting to say something, (mumbles), I don’t know. Oh, oh, last night. Now I’m going to tell you the kind of hell I had. I was setting in that chair, and I was reading these goddamn reports- where- where are those reports from- Steve [Stephan Jones], uh, Ji- Jim [James McElvane], I gotta go over them, Jim, the last I had of them, Jim, you had ’em.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b>\u00a0They’re all (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Murmurs) And I was reading reports that- books, they’re books long every goddamn night, you know, you- you-\u00a0to get even caught up. I went to sleep for fucking two minutes, and I’m a son-of-a-bitch if I didn’t have a dream about somebody being on a high bridges, and different ones of you were leaping off into the water, and I couldn’t stop this one, I’d try to catch that one, I’d try to catch this one, and I’d try to catch that one, and uh, then uh, one hit – one of you, I’m not going to say who – and you were paralyzed. Oh, what the fuck am I going to do. I wanted to jump so bad, I wanted to leap, uh, here the people down\u00a0there<\/i>injured, people up\u00a0here<\/i>\u00a0injured, I woke up and the sweat was pouring down my neck clear down into my belly button. Now if this ain’t the fuckingest life ever was on earth, that anyone cannot even go to\u00a0bed<\/i>\u00a0without getting reality so involved- I didn’t go to bed. I was in the damn chair. I woke up, I was-\u00a0It was just\u00a0horrifying<\/i>, ’cause I care so much. I had peopleinjured<\/i>\u00a0down in the fucking water, so you couldn’t die- just exactly the way my mind is, you see, subconscious, so real, they couldn’t die down there, and there was folk back up there couldn’t die, on the fucking bridge, and I couldn’t control the-\u00a0the situation. Now\u00a0you<\/i>\u00a0talk about hell. That’s as close as you can come to hell. And I thought they can’t all\u00a0leap<\/i>, because here’s one of them down there, he was screaming, he was screaming, begging me to do something, and he was paralyzed, ’cause he was- It was a\u00a0hell<\/i>\u00a0of a leap, and I watched each of your bodies go down into that murky murky murky deep. And- But one of them made it. (Pause) And so there wasn’t an answer. There was no solution. Couldn’t get everybody to jump off, ’cause there wasn’t no guar-\u00a0There was no guarantee everybody was gone die. And that’s just\u00a0true<\/i>\u00a0to life too. You can jump off into water, the Golden Gate, and many have tried it, and some old folk have tried it and come out who- whole, and young ones died. (Pause) So that’s life. (Pause) That is life. (Pause) If you care. But I would\u00a0still<\/i>\u00a0not be selfish. I don’t like to watch selfish people. They’re a\u00a0pain<\/i>, somewhere, close to the ass region. (Pause) What were we talking about? News? (Pause) What kind of dreams do\u00a0you<\/i>\u00a0have? Do you dream about fucking? Work on your socialism. Hmm? (Pause) Yeah. Work on your socialism. You might find you’re worrying about some children leaping off (pause) bridges. And then not being able to make it. No escape. (Pause) It isn’t that bad, but I’m-\u00a0I\u00a0care<\/i>\u00a0for you so much, I always look for the\u00a0worst<\/i>, so you carry that looking for the worst over into your\u00a0dream<\/i>world. I don’t even want to go to sleep. If somebody could find a way to keep me, just get a little rest, so-\u00a0By the way, you people ought\u00a0not<\/i>\u00a0have to be told, you ought to be checking my blood pressure right around the clock. It ought not to be told. ‘Cause\u00a0I<\/i>\u00a0am the best protection these people have at this particular moment.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0And I’ll tell you, subconsciously, you reveal something if you don’t\u00a0do<\/i>\u00a0that. But subconsciously-\u00a0whatever it is, uh- and I don’t want the doctor doing it, please- one of these medical, and uh, Marceline can do it, or Judy [Judith Ijames]\u00a0can do it. Somebody here can do it. One of these people around here can do it. (Pause) The only reason I said\u00a0those<\/i>\u00a0people, don’t want more people worried about it. ‘Cause sometimes it gets\u00a0worrisome<\/i>. There no need to have more people worry about it. A lot of good people here can take blood pressure. (Pause) (Muses) Okay, give me the news, while I’m working here. Let’s see, what reports are back.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b>\u00a0This-\u00a0this-\u00a0this uh, is regarding uh, about television. Dad, as I remember you hearing-\u00a0I remember hearing the news, you saying that uh, the CIA called it Operation Distraction for the People that uh- that the television shows there had a lot of involvement with police shows, and the shows uh, relax the minds of people, and when you s-\u00a0mentioned that uh, a person could be in a room or a hospital, you could have a major operation, and the television would kinda help get over his illnesses because he’d be in a relaxed state of con-\u00a0mind, not thinking of uh, the realities of the world, and then I was thinking of like an example of uh, uh-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0You know they miscalculate that, though. They miscalculate that, because some of them fuckers watching TV, and they’re dying off with the strokes and heart attacks at early age, so it isn’t working just exactly right. ‘Cause some of them people don’t have nothing but empty brains, and they never concern themselves about anybody, but they still drop over at 50 and 45 and 39. John Wayne could never have worried about nobody. He’s had cancer, and he’s had now heart attack. And he’s got the best m- medical- He got a personal doctor that he keeps with him every day, has for about 15 years. He ain’t keeping him from dying, though. (Pause) ‘Cause somebody- I know some anarchist who are in here say, it pays not to worry, and I want to live a long time. Then you must be, not only an\u00a0anarchist<\/i>, but you must be a moron.<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/b>\u00a0Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0The way some of you folk talk about getting older, and one of you (stumbles over words) you know, put it in the light of a- an\u00a0achievement<\/i>– I- I never-\u00a0When my birthday comes, just let it come and let it pass. (Pause) Go ahead, son.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b>\u00a0And uh, well, I was thinking of example of-\u00a0of TV viewing, and being people don’t eat, their regular nutritional values ain’t that high with- when they watch TV, as I was thinking of say, the average American kid who would spend about 24 hours a day or 21 hours a day watching TV, he runs to the corner store, buys him a candy bar and a Pepsi, comes home and watch TV, and usually doesn’t eat that much. I was thinking of that. And then you also said that um, about uh, the American visitors fund, where they spend- Congressmen spend money, or Congress spends money on touring uh, people from different countries, the lots of uh, money from taxpayers’ dollars and stuff like that, and uh, it’s just uh-\u00a0it’s just uh- just plans to get countries to uh, he- help support the uh, United States in some way or another, by being friendly to them, showing them on tours and stuff like that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Monitors asked some of the people to give you a new piece of news, you security, I- I’ll wake these fuckers up, you don’t want to-\u00a0we don’t make them public. Just go by ’em. Some of these-\u00a0the young ones, it’s ridiculous. I ask you to give one piece of news as you go by. (Pause) Whispering. You go wake some of these people up. ‘Cause some of these folks could never- they don’t remember one piece of news since they got here, that- as we found out there- last night. (Pause) I was\u00a0ashamed<\/i>\u00a0at the performance of a young person not knowing any more than that. There ain’t no damn\u00a0excuse<\/i>. You have to\u00a0try<\/i>\u00a0not to know any more than that. Unless I’m looking at things from a very tired perspective, and I feel so tired that anything would be pleasant. Any form of\u00a0death<\/i>\u00a0right now. But um- (Pause) Slow or long term. (Pause) But it\u00a0seem<\/i>\u00a0like- this is terrible when somebody been here for nine months and can’t give you a piece of ne-\u00a0news, that’s bad shit. (Pause) Sorry that our uh, black nights, uh, White Nights are in the middle of the day. This is the hottest time. But we can’t pick White Nights. If I ca-\u00a0If I can, uh, the next one I’ll order, I’ll order it from between 12 and 5. (Pause) I’m not hostile. (Laughs) Am I, Martin [probably Martin Amos]?<\/p>\n

Martin:<\/b>\u00a0(Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I love everybody, but I’m\u00a0still<\/i>\u00a0hostile. (Pause) Oh, lower the sheet. How many more times do you think one will have to piss before they step over. (Pause)\u00a0Please<\/i>\u00a0don’t prophecy. How many more times will you have to hold the ugly thing and aim it in a can? Hmm? Is life that miserable to you? Then you’ll be ready for revolution. How many times will you have to sit on a shithole and empty your bowels and wipe your ass and (unintelligible word) yourself and wait for the next time that you get something, and break out. (Drinks) Folks, some of you not ready for revolution. That’s how I been all my life. Ever since I was a kid, and had to go on living for some animals, and then finally some needy person down the street. I thought, what is-\u00a0what a waste of time to\u00a0shit<\/i>\u00a0when you could stop it all. (Drinks) Fertilize some greens for some poor people in Africa that long ago deserved to eat while we were wasting our fucking money, like some of you did, going out of style. And I\u00a0still<\/i>\u00a0haven’t had many people write about it. We’ve had people to have the nerve to write me notes. “I never did nothing back there, Father.” That’s true.\u00a0That’s<\/i>\u00a0true. (Drinks) You did\u00a0nothing<\/i>. ‘Cause if we’d all worked like we could’ve, we’da had us a goddamn submarine, an Air Force ship, and an atomic missile. That’s how much money we’ve throwed away. (Pause) Go on, I\u00a0hate<\/i>\u00a0a silence. I\u00a0hate<\/i>\u00a0to have to direct. Anybody go, do whatever they gonna do.<\/p>\n

Boy:<\/b>\u00a0Um, Dad, the um, the main actors of\u00a0M*A*S*H<\/i>\u00a0are- are going, uh, getting, yeah, are acting- are getting all uh, messed up and stuff ’cause they’re losing their popularity and-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0They’ve- they’ve lost uh, they’ve all lost their positions.<\/p>\n

Boy:<\/b>\u00a0And so-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0In Hollywood, you\u00a0come<\/i>\u00a0and you go. They’re the most po- uh, most celebrated. It’s good that you took note of that, son. The most celebrated actors, the most\u00a0popular<\/i>, have lost it all. And somebody\u00a0else<\/i>\u00a0lost. Do you remember another actor?<\/p>\n

Boy:<\/b>\u00a0It was Kojak [Telly Savalas]. He tried-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0What’s happening to Kojak?<\/p>\n

Boy:<\/b>\u00a0He tried to commit um, suicide five times.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Three weeks, I think. He’s on what?<\/p>\n

Boy:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah, he’s on Skid Row.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Skid Row. That’s all right, my lad. (Pause) (Calls out) I’m glad the fucker’s there, ’cause he never did nothing to help the ACLU or the NAACP, and he’s\u00a0certainly<\/i>\u00a0didn’t help no communist.<\/p>\n

Crowd:\u00a0<\/b>(Light applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0So\u00a0fuck<\/i>\u00a0him. I hope he\u00a0rots<\/i>\u00a0on Skid Row. (Pause) I’m glad he’ll li-\u00a0One thing that makes me\u00a0slightly<\/i>\u00a0overcome a little bit of my hostility is while black people suffering and going through hell, and poor white working class people and Indians, that at\u00a0least<\/i>\u00a0some of those son-of-a-bitches do get some misery-<\/p>\n

Crowd:\u00a0<\/b>That’s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0-that’s obvious. They’re all miserable. It’s all miserable. (Pause) Will I be quiet? Thank you, honey.<\/p>\n

Young<\/b>\u00a0man:<\/b>\u00a0Also you said about uh, this lady, she was uh, given medi-\u00a0uh, medicine for a dollar and two dollars, and she’s-\u00a0uh, she’s a 60-year-old doctor- (Pause) 68, and uh, she was charged for illegal medicine and she just wanted to keep the prices low so that the people uh, you know, so it could be lower for the people so they could buy s- afford some medicine, and she hasn’t changed her prices since 1947, and they’re charging her for illegal medicine.<\/p>\n

Another person:<\/b>\u00a0I want to add on to what Alfred has said, um, in the UFO’s. The um, America, um, they trying to find- they know-\u00a0they already know that there’s UFOs, and if-\u00a0they trying to find out if it’s going to help capitalism or if it’s going to destroy it. And if it ain’t gone help them none, then they gone um, try and make some kind of weapon that could destroy them.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I don’t know, I think I ought to have\u00a0something<\/i>\u00a0to eat, uh, probably, putting this stuff on, plus they ought to have the blood pressure pill there, as my blood pressure seems to be going up. I\u00a0missed<\/i>\u00a0that. What was that, sweetie? I missed it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Another person:<\/b>\u00a0I said that America was going to try to-\u00a0they already know there’s UFOs, and they gone-\u00a0and if the UFOs ain’t gone help- help capitalism, and if it’s going to help socialism, they’re going to try to destroy ’em.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That’s good. (Pause) (Groans) What?<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b>\u00a0The doctor?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Now I said, to start breakfast at\u00a010<\/i>:30, which would usually be the wake up time, but they said they woke up people at\u00a09<\/i>:30.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b>\u00a0Oh, that’s not true, Dad. People were-\u00a0People- People were\u00a0up<\/i>. People wereup<\/i>\u00a0at- at that. They got up at\u00a010<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Well, it was a complaint, so I-\u00a0I just was reading it.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b>\u00a0No. Peo-\u00a0People got up on their own. They had to run ’em back inside.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0People got up on their own, they had to run ’em back inside. Well, you can’t do nothing about that. (Pause) The security can move in, don’t get drenched. Save your clothes. Ain’t no- uh, nobody in sight. If it is going to be that, don’t-\u00a0which I doubt- (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0A nice, (draws out word) cool rain.<\/p>\n

Crowd:\u00a0<\/b>Yeah. (Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Sounds of rain.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0Paula [Adams]? Paula, you spoke about- to a Congressman-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Shut up now, you have to shut up, with the rain falling, you can’t hear.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0You spoke about to a congressman. You spoke about Congressman [Charles] Diggs, uh, which they had him charged with defrauding the government of a hundred thousand dollars, 35 counts, which would get 175 years.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0And he uh, he have had a pre-\u00a0preliminary hearing, and he pleaded not guilty.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0And he will have his trial the sixth of June. Then they spoke about Congress Miller, a New York Congress who was-\u00a0who was uh,\u00a0charged<\/i>\u00a0with molesting two boys.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0And he was outspoken Congress because he once spoke out when S- Senator [John] Stennis sent the two Air Force officers stayed behind, they uh, the black mayor from Mississippi who came to our church.<\/p>\n

Birds screech<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah, that’s true. That’s true. He was the one-\u00a0He was the one person that- (Pause) (Addresses birds) You little fuckers. Shut up. (Back to crowd) Uh, they, they- that’s true, that’s\u00a0exactly<\/i>\u00a0what he did, he was one of the few people that wrote a letter in condemning Stennis for doing it on our behalf, and now charged a Congressman on the streets molesting two boys. Now\u00a0you<\/i>\u00a0know there ain’t no shit to that. That’s a bunch of bullshit. No Congressman have to do that. He could\u00a0pay<\/i>\u00a0and have boys come\u00a0to<\/i>\u00a0him. (Pause) Right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That stinks. If he was that way. I mean, if he was that way. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Bird screech<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Addresses birds) I wish you two’d fuck each other and shut up. (Pause) Thank you. (Back to crowd) (Laughs) They quit. It’s almost as if they’d heard me, then. (Unintelligible, making bird noises?) Even before she walked over there, I wish people would behave as well.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Chile, USA and South Africa signed a genocide treaty. That’s another thing that was mentioned. And also uh, Rev- (Pause) Rev wanted me to-\u00a0to reiterate on uh, this doctor, her name was Doctor Emery and she’s from Oregon, and uh, she charged\u00a0one<\/i>\u00a0dollar for office visits and\u00a0two<\/i>\u00a0dollars for home visits. And the uh, medical-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0They’ve hounded her for years.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Yes, and the medical society is down on her now, trying to stop her from doing any type of medical work.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0They got her on some kind of goddamn malpractice. She facing uh-\u00a0she’s facing going to\u00a0jail<\/i>. I don’t know what the hell they’ve done to the woman. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Also the US has sent some uh, weapons to Somalia to start this war again with Ethiopia, and this time, it will be more or less a nuclear war. This is what people are afraid of now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Recent news was, when they pulled out the sack, where there’s a tight military- dictatorship is so tight that-\u00a0that a-\u00a0there’s a curfew, everybody has to be in by dark. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Uh, you also said on the news uh, something about in West Germany, concerning the satellite- (tape fades) Uh- Concerning the satellites that were seen over there. Uh-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0The uf-\u00a0The unidentified flying objects, yeah.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0And uh, it says that someone should uh,\u00a0study<\/i>\u00a0these satellites-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah, and that’s was what killed me. That’s what killed me.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0And see if they were friendly. And if they wasn’t friendly, they was going to use some kind of uh, gun or ammunition or something on ’em to kill them.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0No, it’s narcissistic as hell. They traced them all over the fucking skies, going to high altitudes trying to catch the sons-a-bitches, and can’t catch ’em. They think we got some kind of weaponry that’s going to be able to stop somebody from outer space that’s watching. I just- uh, hopeful. I don’t believe in liz-\u00a0believing in vague hope or notions, but it\u00a0is<\/i>\u00a0interesting that they’re watching the most important um-\u00a0they seem to be circling around that, whatever that German name, I can’t remember.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b>\u00a0Murmurs. Nuremberg.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0No, it wasn’t Nuremberg. It was something. I spelled it. I spelled it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Why don’t you get down and say it. Uh, give her the microphone, please.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0You said, N-U-B-I-R-D-I-G. Nubirg, Germany. In West Germany. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Well.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b>\u00a0How do you pronounce it?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I<\/i>\u00a0don’t know. Shit, this is- No, it’s not Nuremberg, it was not Nuremberg. I thought-<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0No, it not Nure- It’s N-U-B<\/i>–<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Nubliberg or something. Nubi-<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0I-R-D-I-G. (Pause) Nurbidig. In-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0It was an Air Force base for all U.S. major atomic arsenal’s kept in central Europe. I hope the sons-a-bitches\u00a0are<\/i>\u00a0intelligent enough to watch us. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/b>: Too low.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0He kept what-<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0-It kept going out- It kept going out gradually, until it was\u00a0out<\/i>\u00a0of sight, but it- it coulda been uh, uh, a satellite, it coulda been\u00a0anything<\/i>. Because you could see it for a good while.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0They’re red and green. They probably got one up there just for us. I hope.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0One with a high-powered nuclear bomb (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Lee Ingram:<\/b>\u00a0All right, quiet. If you have a news article, please come up to the microphone.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0People that spoke before, don’t keep popping up in the line.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah, do that. Thank you. We’re not up here for a stage presentations, we’re trying to get people involved. And some of you people never get involved. But I tell you, I want you people to go and do- ask, and everyone you can think of, ask them. Because some of you people quiet, and they hide in their quietness.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Another article that uh, was in the news was concerning um, (Pause) um, the shark that was on the beach, and it was attacking everything in its path, except children.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0It wasn’t just a shark on the beach. Whole fucking\u00a0school<\/i>\u00a0of them. It’s a new phenomenon they’d ever seen. Attacking everything that gets in the waters out-\u00a0off of Australia. Whole school of them, but they don’t bother children.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Uh, Dad, while I was on security at night, about these satellites, uh-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I hope nuclear radiation has caused a sudden evolution in some of these species. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0On security, I’ve seen uh, twinkling uh, lights up in the elements. It was smaller than uh-\u00a0it was\u00a0larger<\/i>\u00a0than our regular star, and uh, as uh-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0It’s a first-\u00a0It’s a first signal that Jesus is coming.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Woman at mike:<\/b>\u00a0(Short laugh)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0And if he comes, he’ll miss here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0And if he lands, he’ll have\u00a0holes<\/i>\u00a0in his ass bigger than the one he’s got.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b>\u00a0Oh, yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0And if we capture him, Reb will cook him.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub. One person claps)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I ain’t gone look for no satellites to save us, honey. I didn’t mean to get into no astral notions. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0Uh, Dad, the news about Guyana was this morning, when you were reading about uh, Mr. Jagan [Cheddi Jagan, head of the opposition Peoples Progressive Party], said that the uh, thing that he did yesterday was seen to be some part of a stage play, when he threw over- the papers over his desk.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0It’s possible. We’ve heard-\u00a0we’ve heard from the Soviet Union\u00a0two<\/i>\u00a0things that- We might as well get down to some basics, that’s true. We heard\u00a0two<\/i>\u00a0things. The Soviet Union has said, we have nothing to worry about, that this country is going to move\u00a0more<\/i>\u00a0socialist than ever before. That’s what the ambassador told us. Now, that was what- a week ago? No, hold it. Don’t- don’t get your- don’t get your ass in uproar. Then secondly – I told you that a week ago – then we heard that (Pause) that [Guyana Prime Minister Forbes] Burnham wanted to accept- the prime minister wanted to accept the joint government with Jagan, but members of his own party are opposed to it. So, he couldn’t risk a takeover by uh, the wrong elements, and Jagan had to deal with some people even in\u00a0his<\/i>\u00a0own East Indian community, so that they made an undercover, under-table agreement. Under-tub- Under-table agreement. Now. It may be – it may not be true – we’ve heard it with some reliability, we’ve heard a lot of reliable folks say some things that were reliable, and some things that were just full of\u00a0shit<\/i>. Now, it seemsstrange<\/i>\u00a0that Dr. Jagan would make that kind of move. It’s not his disposition. He’s a very controlled quiet sort of person. And it could be a diversionary tactic, to act all that upset, like everything is shot to the wind. The Russians tell us, don’t meet with him right now. That’s strange. They say, out of-\u00a0for our own welfare, don’t meet with him. Obviously, they’d want us to meet with him, because he’s their\u00a0man<\/i>. He’s\u00a0always<\/i>\u00a0been their man. Maybe they don’t want us to step into something and trouble something uh, that’s going to take place in the next few days, that would save us all, ’cause the Russians have been very\u00a0friendly<\/i>\u00a0to us. They told us, don’t get in public and make money- more statements-\u00a0‘course, that’s a little late for that. And don’t-\u00a0don’t make these statements about the USA. Well, shit. Fuck that. I won’t-\u00a0(Pause) (Sighs) That’s too late. We-\u00a0We handled it pretty\u00a0well<\/i>, but uh, I- we were worried the Russians would think we weren’t strong\u00a0enough<\/i>, because shit, we said we’d been, you know, President [Jimmy] Carter, he nice, and the Embassy was nice and all that shit. And they thought it was too strong. (Pause) That’s what they said, wasn’t it?<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b>\u00a0Yeah, they- they were worried-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0They were worried. They\u00a0admired<\/i>\u00a0us. They admired us. They said we were idealist, we were real-\u00a0we were\u00a0genuine<\/i>\u00a0revolutionaries like they were in the days of their revolution, but you got to become aware of realities, and you have to make compromises to survive. And we have to decide about what kind of compromises we’re prepared to\u00a0live<\/i>\u00a0with. (Pause) That’s what we have to\u00a0decide<\/i>. I say, Russians have to make compromises, because of nuclear\u00a0war<\/i>. It’s a terrible thing to unleash a nuclear war all over the goddamn globe, but\u00a0we<\/i>up- up here, I don’t think have to make the same kind of compromises. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0Uh, if we went over on- in- into Russia’s camp full hardy, would they probably in turn try to use us as pawns in a more, bigger scale on-\u00a0to threaten the U.S. And-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0They don’t seem to be inclined to. They seem to be very careful, and want us to be extremely careful about being seen with them. Want to be sneaked in, if they come in. I\u00a0really<\/i>think the Russians are pretty genuine along that line. They’ve been\u00a0most<\/i>\u00a0concerned and considerate. Most con- I would say, most concerned.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0Okay, thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0All right, I don’t believe they were trying to use us-\u00a0 if they wanted to use us aspawns<\/i>, they’da sure got busy. Excuse me, I’ll have them take some food- you-\u00a0any food I eat, you can see here, I haven’t eaten.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0Well-<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0So I’ve got to take protein, because I’m in a little blood sugar problem. Anyway, um- (Pause) Oh, what, and have to explain everything you do. Everything you do, you gotta explain. I’m so tired of it, I don’t know what to do.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Please, quiet.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0This is- This is a age-old piece of uh, chicken, I guess. It’s cold, so I’m- I can assure you, I’m not enjoying it. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Uh- uh, another thing, Dad, they know that we have- how we do White- uh, I’m sure they’ve heard about our stands and our White Night stands, uh- and probably not in the full detail, but in some instance, and yo- you know, wondering what we would do or how we would do, if, you know, if they got into the camp with us, and things didn’t go like, you know, just what they thought it would be.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I don’t want to stop your dissent. I like dissent now. That’s the only way we grow. Now what did she say that? I missed that. (Pause) Wait-\u00a0Will you people all shut up so we can hear it? It’s a point of viewing different minds- Will you take those fucking birds down and put them some place on the-\u00a0on that- on that curb and let them screw each other?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0You know, I was just saying, uh, probably that they’ve heard of how we re-\u00a0protect ourselves and you know, and White Nights, and what have you. I wondered, you know, were they just kinda, you know,\u00a0easing<\/i>\u00a0in and not just, you know, to see where we would-\u00a0how would we go and what would we do. That’s what I was asking. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I’m not following. I’m- I’m not feeling too good, so it’s possible- It’s not\u00a0you<\/i>, it’s me.<\/p>\n

Lee Ingram:<\/b>\u00a0Start from the top, and say it slowly.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0No, I was- What I was saying was, you know, uh, like, you said that they don’t want to be seen with us, when they was eat- you know, we were going about in different ways of meeting the Russians. We have-\u00a0You know, we’re not- having anything to hide, I’m saying, and uh, have they heard about how we have White Nights and what, you know-\u00a0in other words, how we’ve done demands with the uh, Guyana government, you know, would they figure that we would do this with them? That’s what I was saying. (Long pause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edits)<\/p>\n

Children whisper, unintelligible<\/p>\n

(Tape edits)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Put the blood pressure medicine\u00a0here<\/i>. And then I’ll take it if I need it. And I’ll-\u00a0Blood pressure- You can live with your blood pressure being high, (unintelligible under radio interference), ’cause you got a lot of\u00a0will<\/i>. There was 13- here, wake up now, wake up. Wake up. (Tape edit) (Unintelligible word)\u00a0That’ll<\/i>\u00a0scare the- (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/b><\/p>\n

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