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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(unintelligible beginning) We kept hounding Senator Stennis [John Stennis, (D-Mississippi)] and fought him all the way up. She [Unita Blackwell Wright, mayor of Mayersville, Mississippi] sold out. She gone get it. She gone get it. She gone get it. But she sold out. Yeah, she sold out. Hmm? She sure did.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>She couldn\u2019t take the fuckin\u2019 heat, and she sold out, and we tried to get the ones who\u2019re trying to kill her, and our ass (stumbles over words)\u2013 and we\u2019re the one that caught, uh, caught in the damn draft. (Pause) Fuck these people. If I\u2019da (stumbles over words)\u2013 If I was back there and s\u2013 saw<\/i> the son of a bitch there, I\u2019d said, what\u2013 what do you want? A little ice cream? (Pause) I\u2019d looked after our<\/i> people. Goddamn these people. When I was trying to get her to sign letters at the time<\/i>, she wouldn\u2019t do it. Her husband did, but she wouldn\u2019t. She was too\u2013\u00a0Wanting to get in politics. The only way you can get in politics is to be an Aunt Jane, kiss ass.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Murmurs).<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I wish we\u2019da never found those two. Penny [Dupont]\u2013 always looking for CIA and found<\/i> two [Thomas Dawsey, Kessler Air Force Base engineer and Leon Joly, March Air Force Base engineer] that time. And that\u2019s when our<\/i> trouble began, honey. (Tape edit) When we come up with the evidence and put\u2013\u00a0put that right under Senator Stennis, and from Kessler Air Force Base and those two damn pilots, uh, officers, and had \u2018em right out there, undoubtedly gone do her in. Undoubtedly<\/i>\u2013 up to trying to set her up, or kill her. \u2018Cause you sure don\u2019t need to be\u2013 see\u2013\u00a0be outside with all the government power centers Stennis<\/i> has, head of CIA and the Armed Services<\/i> Committee, you don\u2019t have to be out there to tape<\/i> anything. So they\u2013 we\u2013 we caught\u2013\u00a0we wondered onto some shit<\/i> then, it was like Parallax View<\/i>. Wish to hell we had that TV fixed. Ever gone get that TV fixed, so you can see that? And by the way, [Donald Freed] the man who wrote that has been completely<\/i> thrown out of all\u2013\u00a0they won\u2019t\u2013\u00a0except a book he writes or a movie that he does. That\u2019s how close he come to the truth. And he\u2019s offered to write on us, but he can\u2019t sell nothing. He said he\u2019ll write on us, but nobody\u2019ll buy a thing. You remember The Parallax View<\/i>?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>How many remember The Parallax View<\/i>?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Scattered response)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Showed the man getting into an assassination of a Senator. It\u2019s obviously<\/i> Senator Kennedy [Robert Kennedy (D-New York)]. It\u2019s a take-off on Senator Kennedy. And it follows around, he says, all the intrigue, he runs into a corporation of assassins, paid assassins, and then it shows how clever they manipulate and utilize, and he thinks he\u2019s after them, and they finally get him and set his ass up. And he dies looking like an assassin himself. (Pause) It\u2019s [Lee Harvey] Oswald all over. And nobody cared. It showed him at the end. He\u2019s\u2013<\/p>\n

(tape edit; technical problem)<\/p>\n

Unknown person:<\/b> (Clicks into microphone)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(voice fades in) \u2013I wish to hell we could do something about this, I really do, \u2018cause this is driving me nuts. We gotta get some back-up P.A. Uh\u2013 (Pause) He was trying to get<\/i> the assassin of the Senator, and then they got the next<\/i> one, they shot the next Senator, or the next leader, and hit\u2013\u00a0made him look like the fall guy. Had a gun right there at his feet. How many remember it? That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s a hell of a film. And he paid for it. They will not buy one<\/i> book. You don\u2019t believe me, you write Charles Garry, he\u2019ll write what he has done<\/i>. They won\u2019t\u2013 They won\u2019t sell him one\u2013 (stumbles over words) He can\u2019t write\u2013 And that\u2019s a marvelous<\/i> writer, and a marvelous<\/i> movie maker. But not a book. He got too close to the truth. Why else won\u2019t they let him\u2013 Why won\u2019t they let him have any uh, forum? He got too close to the truth. Obviously, it was one of the most intriguing movies you ever seen.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, I woulda done it over again, I\u2019da done it over again, \u2018cause it\u2019s right<\/i>. But I think I\u2019da waited a little while we got another couple of million, \u2018cause she wasn\u2019t worth it. \u2018Cause she didn\u2019t stand up<\/i>. She wasn\u2019t worth it. What the fuck should we got involved in her mess for? But that\u2019s what we\u2019ve always<\/i> done. We fought everybody\u2019s battles, and wondered where in the hell were<\/i> they, when we had ours.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hmm? Hmm? Hmm? Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>By the way, tell \u2018em to give that letter to Angela Davis, to Cuba. They don\u2019t even have that<\/i>, and they offered to take us. I don\u2019t think they have that letter from Angela Davis. Be sure that Cuba has the letter from Angela Davis. She remembers us, \u2018cause she wants someplace to come<\/i> to when she has to. (Pause while drinks)<\/p>\n

(Radio static for several moments)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, goddamn.<\/p>\n

(Radio static)<\/p>\n

(Click)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> (unintelligible) down here? (Pause) A film industry isn\u2019t that hard for a small company to set up.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t know. If you got any ideas, we\u2019ll pass it on. He\u2019s sure broke. He\u2019s broke as broke can be. (Pause) He worked a little something on Huey Newton, trying to scratch some pennies to produce something for Huey Newton before it\u2019s over with. Huey\u2019s\u2013 What is it?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> They have a film company here in Georgetown, they\u2019ve made a few movies here already.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, we\u2019re (unintelligible)\u2013 we\u2019re up here about Cuba, is that right? Sif\u2013\u00a0Scif\u2013 Skip, dump jamp, jump. Move your ass. Flim flam. Singin\u2019 Sam.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Give \u2018em hell, Irene.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub).<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, I like her, Christine, \u2018cause she helps me. Give \u2018em hell, Irene. Mmm. (pause) What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> She give \u2018em hell at the garlic table. All day.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) Gives \u2018em hell at the garlic table all day, huh? Oh, Irene. What do you think about the whole mess?<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thank you, Irene.<\/p>\n

Crowd: (<\/b>Scattered laughter. Voices.)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) (Pause) Huh? All you people better be good, \u2018cause I\u2019m\u2013 I got a traitor (stumbles over words) \u2013 by God, on the Learning Crew, I\u2019m going to call you a traitor, and put her hands on your neck. (Laughs) That\u2019ll keep you\u2013 That\u2019ll get you off the Learning Crew. (Pause) All right. What do you think about going to Cuba?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I was wondering about going to Cuba\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Can\u2019t do a thing unless we got two\u2013\u00a0one mike, huh? Well, this gone get (unintelligible). (Pause) Wes [Breidenbach], they don\u2019t move as fast since they fell in love.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter. Voices)<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> Let\u2019s go to Cuba.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You\u2019d still<\/i>\u2013 You\u2019d still<\/i> love that lovely black woman [Avis Jocelyn Breidenbach, aka Avis Garcia] you\u2019ve got, and you\u2019d still be slow<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> (Clicks) Mike\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He just been ruined since that lovely black woman came down his way two or three weeks ago. He just ruined<\/i>. That\u2019s all.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Wes is gone be colored. He gone be a blond-headed colored before it\u2019s over. (Pause) Wesley Pope, they called him in those days.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I thought that. That\u2019s why I\u2013 I knew\u2013 I thought she knew I loved you. That\u2019s why I changed your name<\/i>. (Laughs) That\u2019s a way out of your<\/i> dilemma. (Pause) Breidenbach\u2019s too long for anybody to deal with.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) (Drinks)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Quiet down.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, quiet down. They got a microphone for them now, honeys? For me.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> We\u2019re trading.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>All right, loves. You do a good job. But you got\u2013\u00a0we got to get some equipment for them to function with. Okay, it seems like I don\u2019t have as much support as I had\u2013 Is there ano\u2013 another\u2013\u00a0There\u2019s a pillow missing. Who\u2013\u00a0who been laying on my pillow?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I know there ain\u2019t been no fucking<\/i> on it, because everybody too tired<\/i> to fuck on a pillow, I\u2019m sure<\/i> of that.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter).<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> Lou<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Except Irene. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You know my (unintelligible). Get that together, will you? (Pause) Okay, uh, (stumbles over words) we\u2019re on uh\u2013\u00a0we\u2019re on the Cuban subject. Do we use it as an option, or how much of an option, or how much do we plan for it, or is it only in case of emergency, or do we just not plan for it at all?<\/p>\n

Dan: <\/b>Well, what I was wondering is, if we was to\u2013 to choose to go to Cuba now, uh, what would happen to Peoples Temple? Would we merge in with the people? And if so, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I can\u2019t tell you. You can ask them that\u2013 C\u2013\u00a0ask Cuba the next time. Ask Cuba if we can\u2013\u00a0I\u2013 I tell you, I have no zero\u2013 I\u2019ve got a zero consciousness, and I\u2019ve got uh, no ego, and so I didn\u2019t even think<\/i> to ask them about that when we\u2019re facing death. I didn\u2019t think to ask whether they\u2019ll accept me as a leader. I didn\u2019t do it. I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m sorry. Uh\u2013 I\u2019ll just be so glad to get our children from not having to die, I\u2019d be glad to uh, shovel\u2013 (Distracted) I ain\u2019t one to piss.<\/p>\n

Crowd: (<\/b>Laughter and applause)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Always\u2013 Leave it to Kool-Aid Calvin.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) Goddamn back. Okay, uh\u2013 I didn\u2019t know\u2013 You hear me over there, to ask Cuba, better\u2013 better relay her, to relay her to ask Cuba, could we go over there as a cooperative and be a model<\/i>, and\u2013 I don\u2019t know about that shit, boy. If I was Cuba, I would be mighty suspicious of anybody coming in as a whole group.<\/p>\n

Dan:<\/b> I would\u2013\u00a0I would too.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I mean, they can just see<\/i>\u2013 they\u2013 they can\u2013 they can see<\/i> that we\u2013 we\u2019re a hell of a solidarity.<\/p>\n

Dan:<\/b> Yeah, this what I was wondering too, is that, how uh, the people, with you being there, uh, how\u2019d they feel about uh, Prime Minister [Fidel] Castro. And that\u2013 that was another concern.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, that\u2019s the thing you (unintelligible word) bring up, because Prime Minister Castro\u2019s the prime minister. (Pause) And I don\u2019t want to be the prime minister. (Pause) I would be, if I had to be, anyplace, I guess, but I don\u2019t want to be. And that\u2019s unrealistic. We\u00a0were not going to go in there and\u2013 (Pause) I (unintelligible phrase) make a remark about that. (Pause) So we\u2013 uh, it\u2019s a matter of going there and surviving<\/i> and assimilating, and probably assimilation. They might give us land, they like\u2013 they like farming, and uh, we might get a cooperative. But you wouldn\u2019t have to worry so goddamn much about integration there<\/i> in some respects<\/i>, because you don\u2019t\u2013\u00a0you\u2019re not surrounded by a bunch of mother-fucking fascist pigs<\/i> all the time. Uh, you don\u2019t need Learning and guns<\/i> and all that shit, when you\u2019ve got the guns of the government<\/i>, uh, aimed against the capitalist heads<\/i>. Here we have to be our own defense<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It seems to me. Now there\u2019s other drawbacks. There\u2019re drawbacks. Well, you got on the subject. You posed the question. What do you think about the answers? (Drinks)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Oh, Reb [James Edwards]. Oh, Reb.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019ll tell you frankly, as I told you. I\u2019d be glad if they\u2019d locked me up in Morro Castle for the rest of my life, to give people freedom here. If they was questioning me<\/i>, and threatened by my leadership, and thought I was too magnetic a personality, which\u2013 whatever, you know, is worst to worst, uh, uh, I wouldn\u2019t\u2013 (stumbles over words) When I think about all these children have to be (makes whisking sound), uh, made to tr\u2013 make a transition, it\u2019s a very, very difficult thing for me to do<\/i>. (Pause) And I\u2019d rather die than do it, certainly, and I\u2019d rather go to penitentiary than do it.<\/p>\n

Dan:<\/b> Well, that was what I was concerned about, is how\u2013\u00a0uh, if they could go into a cooperative or something like that, that would uh, be a different thing, but it looks like uh, it would be\u2013\u00a0after all these years of work that you\u2019ve done, uh, then to take it and merge it in with another uh, country<\/i> like that where\u2013 (mike shuts off) I\u2013 I don\u2019t think they\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Here we go again. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019s that? (Pause) I didn\u2019t hear you.<\/p>\n

(Clicks)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I said it\u2019d be very nice if you did<\/i>\u2013\u00a0if they did take us over to Cuba and dropped us off, and then you could relax and go your own way\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Reacts)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, what the hell you doing? I thought there was some open democracy here.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(clicks) Testing.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I<\/i> understood what he was saying. If you don\u2019t, that\u2019s your<\/i> problem. (Pause) Each w\u2013 Each judge your loyalty your own way, huh?<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019m not some ego has to defend his throne, honey. You<\/i> may need it, so talk<\/i> about it. But uh, don\u2019t uh\u2013 that\u2013 that don\u2019t alarm me, what he said, at all<\/i>. I don\u2019t want to go my own way, though, I\u2019ll go right there with you, \u2018cause I ain\u2019t got no great visions of grandeur. I\u2013\u00a0What the hell good am I when there\u2019s young men there over in Ethiopia, you know. I\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ll get out there and shovel shit<\/i> and make fertilizer, whatever in the hell. I don\u2019t give a fuck, \u2018cause I have no ambitions but to fit into whatever the revolution can use me. I once could have been very good in broadcasting, bilingual possibilities, I coulda helped on Radio Cuba, something like that, uh, I can fight<\/i>, but uh\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2019ll do whatever in the hell the\u2013 the call comes. I have no ambitions, so don\u2019t give a shit what they do with me. Don\u2019t give a continental shit.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Or, what uh, in relation to what Dan said, I can understand what Dan said, and I can appreciate<\/i> it, uh, and uh, I mean, we can (short laugh) be thankful that you\u2019ve brought us a far cry from where we were. Uh, but this\u2013\u00a0this was\u2013 was<\/i> my concern of\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I don\u2019t mind what you were concerned about, either, \u2018cause we gotta discuss this, and\u2013 two of you, if you don\u2019t work hard at it, uh, all of you that talk about it, you still<\/i> don\u2019t have eighty percent that won\u2019t even know where Cuba is when we finish the conversation.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Well, what I was thinking about was\u2013\u00a0is how uh, they would accept you there\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(to crowd) Shut up! Now, I don\u2019t want to hear laughing back there. Come on, get the shit together. (Pause) Let\u2019s go now.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Uh, accepting uh, you there in, uh, in a coop situation, uh, which would be ideal, I would think, for us<\/i>. But I mean, how the other people would react to you, and how the government would react to you. These are just some thoughts that went through my mind.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, ain\u2019t got a right to go through your mind. Got no problem.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Dr. [Peter] Fernandes says that I\u2019m the purest socialist he\u2019s ever seen. This is the purest form of socialism. I\u2013 He said that there is\u2013\u00a0uh, we have less elitism\u2013 uh, the only place he didn\u2019t see elitism was here, what he said, and he is the head of the Guyana Livestock Board, and he been to Cuba. He said that there are little privileges for people who are in the communist ranks<\/i>, high up. But I still<\/i> can tell you that people have a very good standard of living, great degree of freedom, all the meat and all the food they want to eat, and lovely theaters and shows. We know a lot of things. Free medicine, free dentistry. And hell, it\u2019s\u2013\u00a0it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s\u2013\u00a0it\u2019s 15 years ahead of this place. (Pause) I can tell you that. That\u2019s smack-ass off. I don\u2019t mean here<\/i>. I don\u2019t mean our project<\/i>. But I\u2019m talking about other cities, it\u2019s 15 years ahead of, \u2018cause they\u2019ve had 15 years of revolution ahead<\/i> of them. That\u2019s not necessarily a knock on this place, either. This country\u2019s got basic riches beyond<\/i> them, if once it gets\u2013\u00a0if it gets its shit<\/i> together. It\u2019s got bauxite, aluminum, all the minerals that uh\u2013\u00a0potential oil. If it can get its shit<\/i> together, it\u2019s\u2013 (Stumbles over words) it\u2019s a richer nation. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> I\u2013 I stood to agree to take Cuba as an option, because, um, once we get many aces in the hole\u2013\u00a0you can\u2019t ever have too many \u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Uh, (Pause) I\u2013\u00a0I\u2013\u00a0I\u2019d like to ask some questions before I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, ask<\/i> them. And that\u2019s good, because they\u2019re on there\u2013\u00a0I think they\u2019re still on there, (unintelligible word under interruption) right at the gate, and they can ask more of Cuba.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Uh\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2019d like to know uh, just how would we handle what we have here. Would it come back to a later date, or how would we dispose of what we have, or how do we handle that?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That Cuba won\u2019t be able to answer. If we\u2013\u00a0if we\u2013\u00a0we go right wing\u2013 and the country goes rightwing, we\u2019ll be lucky to get out with our asses and, uh, what we\u2019ve turned into gold and money.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>And\u2013\u00a0And\u2013\u00a0And Cuba will accept us just as we are now, there\u2019ll be no restriction on\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Cuba\u2013\u00a0well, what do you mean? You mean on\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> On\u2013\u00a0On the uh\u2013 On our seniors or, say, our\u2013 the seniors that we have.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I won\u2019t go. If there\u2019s any\u2013\u00a0If there\u2019s anybody won\u2019t go, I do\u2013 I don\u2019t know how the rest of you feel, but if they won\u2019t let everybody go, I don\u2019t go nowhere.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t go. If they won\u2019t let us go, that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s\u2013\u00a0if there\u2019s one<\/i> person, if there\u2019s one<\/i> person they say no to, then the option\u2019s over. That\u2019s a question: the seniors\u2013\u00a0because our checks<\/i> are not good in Cuba. We have to live on our assets. And I\u2019ve not got all my assets here, by the way. They\u2019re not all here. You\u2013 Guyana can go tomorrow, and some of the money won\u2019t go. It\u2019s hid from them. (Pause) It\u2019s not in this country. That\u2019s what I\u2019m saying. But as I recall the law, you can\u2019t get no Social Security checks in Cuba. Right?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Cuba, Vietnam or\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Cuba, Vietnam or Hungary. Or Albania. Mmm-hmm. North Korea. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Right. I\u2013 I think we should uh\u2013\u00a0Well, what you just said, sorta almost changed my mind, \u2018cause that money is important.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t know. We need to research what other checks\u2013\u00a0Attorneys? Somebody taking some notes on that, we needed to check what other checks\u2013 what other kinds of monies are eligible to go there. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Well, aside from that, uh, what I was going to say before you mentioned that was, uh, my main reason for thinking we should seriously plan to go is, uh, because Cuba doesn\u2019t recognize any of the United S\u2013 in the United States courts.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Which is up (stumbles over words) what\u2019s been bedeviling us all along.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Right. That\u2019s\u2013 That\u2019s the main reason, be less pressure on you, and if they hostile towards the United States, they wouldn\u2019t be pussy-footing around with them when they try to threaten us. In fact, I don\u2019t think they\u2019d try to threaten us as much either.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Another thing, they got much more opportunity for recreation, and uh, (stumbles over words) the best beaches in the world, there are lovely, lovely beaches, and lovely sports facilities, lovely educational facilities. I don\u2019t know how Castro\u2019s going to react. That\u2019s an unknown factor to me. But I won\u2019t be threatening nobody, as long as you\u2019re protected. That\u2019s when I become like an old hen. (Pause) And I don\u2019t give a shit. And I\u2019ll be\u2013 I\u2019ll sit back and do whatever in hell they want me to do.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Then, another reason is, is it\u2019s closer<\/i> to here, we could make a lit\u2013\u00a0if we get the boat, we can make several trips\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s the only place we know for sure we can get<\/i> with a boat.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Right. Maybe take some of our agricultural equipment, and help out in the fields over there.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I think somebody needs to compute that boat. Three hundred and fifty ton boat? Can somebody get down\u2013 and down to\u2013 and how many ton\u2013\u00a0how much gallons of water you got to have, and how many\u2013\u00a0you got one thousand plus people. I think you got to get down to some statistical calculations. The Cudjoe<\/i> can travel along behind it with some stuff, uh\u2013 (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> We had it written down (unintelligible phrase)\u00a0I think it\u2019s somewhere around 500 gallons a day of water.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>A thousand<\/i> gallons a day, isn\u2019t it? (Pause) I don\u2019t know, but Gene [Chaikin]\u2013 Ask Gene what it would\u2013 Somebody better do some calculating on that boat.<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, we\u2013\u00a0we went through that shit before. What was it? A three-day, four-day journey?<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Another male:<\/b> I think it was about a four day journey.<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It travels\u2013\u00a0travels faster.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> No, it goes seven knots.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Huh?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> It goes\u2013\u00a0According to Gene, it goes\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, no, no, no. It doesn\u2019t. That\u2019s right. It\u2013 It uses less fuel. I\u2019m sorry. He uses less fuel in the Cudjoe<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> (unintelligible) \u2013500 gallons of water per day, what we figured this morning.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>3000 gallons of water?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> (unintelligible) 500.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, six days times 500 is 3000 gallons of water.<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(reads) Countries to which Social Security checks can\u2019t be sent. U.S. Treasury Department regulations prohibit mailing checks to anyone in Albania, Cuba, East Berlin, East Germany, Khmer Republic, Cambodia, North Korea, People\u2019s Republic of China, or Vietnam.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> How about Russia, (unintelligible word)?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(reads) (normal tone) No, nothing about Russia. You can get your checks in Russia. Poland. This is Social Security check, I think. I think it\u2019s only Social Security\u2019s. Government, other forms, you can. But there\u2019s ways around that, I heard, there\u2019s ways around that. You can send your check someplace, I\u2013 I think I heard some ways around that. (Pause) I know ways around it, is use a fucking White Night, goddamn them, they\u2013 (Clears throat) I can see some problems you got with some of these fuckers over here. We better let \u2018em go back<\/i>, I\u2019m gone tell you. Because, if some of them fuckers, when they go to Cuba, people would say, do you want to be in Cuba? I don\u2019t know. Then you got trouble. (Pause) \u2018Cause Cuba is notch\u2013 naturally gonna want to take somebody that\u2019s a\u2013\u00a0\u2018s elder, they can be (stumbles over words) some senior, that don\u2019t know where in the hell they\u2019re at, and don\u2019t know what they\u2019re doing, and don\u2019t know why<\/i> they\u2019re going and don\u2019t know uh, communism from Christianity. And [Karl] Marx from the second chapter\u2013 chapter of the book of the Bible. I don\u2019t think they\u2019ll care\u2013\u00a0I don\u2019t know, they may not be that severe, but it\u2013 they\u2013 they don\u2019t want\u2013 they want to be in a position of saying\u2013 taking somebody against their will<\/i>. (Pause) What\u2019s that? (Pause) We got to really look at that<\/i>. Something bothers about\u2013 some of these people here (stumbles over words), they\u2019ve always, they been following me around, \u2018cause I can turn water into wine.<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Tape edit<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I don\u2019t think Cuba should be considered as an option, because in the September White Night, uh, you got the message that the Cuban government would only accept you and a few others and not all of us.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, man, but hell\u2019s fire, we were in the middle of a warfare wh\u2013\u00a0Now they\u2013 they\u2019re talking differently now. That\u2013 This is\u2013\u00a0This is uh, this is uh, April. That\u2019s September.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Still, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They didn\u2019t know us from jackshit, man, all they heard\u2013\u00a0they\u2013 they\u2019d no doubt heard all that shit going on the radio waves (stumbles over words), all that shit carrying on, we were carrying on something terrible. (Pause )Yeah, huh?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I\u2013 I\u2013\u00a0I feel that uh, the simulation is uh, living uh, something less than we are living now, and I\u2013\u00a0I don\u2019t\u2013 I\u2013\u00a0I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay. You speak what you feel.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I just don\u2019t see going back or regressing. That\u2019s\u2013 That\u2019s what I wanted to say.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, if you had a child, a baby in your arms, you might uh\u2013\u00a0it might cause you um,\u00a0a slight different perspective. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Only one thing Cuba\u2019s got<\/i> to work out\u2013 One thing we got<\/i> to is a Guyanese child [David George] that wants to go. And another thing got to be straightened out is, uh, the registration of some babies. And that shit\u2019s got to work out. (Pause) Do you follow me? And they follow me over there? There\u2019re two babies [Marchelle Jacole Jones and Monyelle Maylene Jones] I\u2019m talking about. And they gotta find that out. I mean, (stumbles over words) I asked them a damn question, just say, we gotta get it done, we\u2019re gonna get it registered, that\u2019s all. (Pause) Well, that\u2019s what I\u2019m saying. They ought to\u2013 We ought to get\u2013\u00a0We ought to get started with it. To test<\/i> it. \u2018Cause if there any hang-up, here I die, with Johnny [Johnny Jones, aka Johnny Moss Brown, Jr.] and Ava [Ava Phenice Jones, aka Ava Cobb, Ava Cobb- Brown] and Sandy [Sandra Yvette Cobb aka Sandy Jones]. The rest of you can go, but I die. No, I\u2019m just telling you, I\u2019m just telling you for me<\/i>, that\u2019s just the way it is, I\u2019m sick of it, I ain\u2019t\u2013\u00a0I ain\u2019t gone through that shit no more. I\u2019ve had to give up babies, and be through that. I\u2019ve had babies snatched from me. I had it snatched. I went through it. And see it\u2013\u00a0see \u2018em take the baby, and\u2013 I\u2019d reared, and have the baby go two weeks later, die out two states away. I been through that shit, and I ain\u2019t gone see nobody I love go through that shit no more. (Pause) And I just want to say, we better move<\/i> on it, \u2018cause you\u2019re going to sure as hell get caught in a White Night, it ain\u2019t done\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> (unintelligible about passport)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I don\u2019t think that\u2019d be no big deal. I don\u2019t. Get you there, and talk about the passport afterwards. And we can get him to start the process. He did it for me without me going in there. If you get a picture, if he gets the right size picture, he\u2019ll do it. He did it for me. I don\u2019t know why he wouldn\u2019t do it for anybody else. I didn\u2019t go near the place. See, I didn\u2019t have a passport either. That was one of the reasons we couldn\u2019t go anyplace the last<\/i> time. I didn\u2019t have a passport. (Pause) Oh\u2013<\/p>\n

Gene Chaikin:<\/b> (unintelligible)\u2013 We may have a problem taking the money into Cuba, because the\u2013\u00a0this regulation hasn\u2019t changed. That probably has not changed. It\u2019s probably still in effect.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It is now. And I think it woulda been changed, if it hadn\u2019t been for all this shit in Angola and Ethiopia, but it\u2013 \u2018cause Cuba was warming up. But it may<\/i> change in time. It will<\/i> have to change in time. If the war<\/i> doesn\u2019t come.<\/p>\n

Chaikin:<\/b> As far as taking it in, (unintelligible) I don\u2019t see anything (unintelligible)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(stumbles over words) No, no, no, what we\u2019re\u2013\u00a0no, our money? Our money\u2019s our money. I\u2019m talking about what um, the\u2013\u00a0all other retirement checks? Yeah\u2013\u00a0yeah\u2013<\/p>\n

Chaikin:<\/b> Okay, any limitation whatsoever\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He sees no other limitation, only Social Security. All other kinds of retirement, he says, they won\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Chaikin:<\/b> (unintelligible) PSA? I don\u2019t think that I\u2013 PSA would be good.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Says you ask Treasury Department regulations pro\u2013\u00a0prohibits sending checks to anyone in Albania, Cuba, East Berlin\u2013<\/p>\n

Chaikin:<\/b> (unintelligible) issue CSA too\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s what I\u2013 That\u2019s what I\u2019m wondering.<\/p>\n

Chaikin:<\/b> That\u2019s good enough, too. That\u2019s going to have to be checked out.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, that\u2019s what I\u2019m wondering. Well, we better have them check it out. Might want this done, because uh, we\u2019re in the middle of a White Night, and we don\u2019t know for two weeks what the hell\u2019s going to take place, even though Cuba does not think that things are going to go\u2013 what\u2019d they\u2013\u00a0what was that statement there? Cuba? What\u2019d I give you about Cuba? Cuba did not also think that uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They didn\u2019t think they\u2019d go right? Did I say that? I want to be sure I\u2019m quoting right. Is that what I just said? She was standing here by my side.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Said they won\u2019t\u2013 (stumbles over words) The Constitution will not mean fascism or going to the right or just delay the elections, which the black do not feel comfortable with elections because it\u2019ll end up East Indian control, and they do not trust East Indians to be free of racism. That\u2019s what it boils down to. So the Cubans are not concerned. And\u2013 and the Cubans are predominantly mulatto. (Pause) Cubans are m\u2013 predominantly mulatto. (Pause) Well, uh, say that, Phyllis, it\u2019s all right, say it publicly. I\u2019d rather you said it publicly. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>I think we should hold Cuba\u2013 keep it in mind, and then the place that Dymally [Mervyn Dymally, Lieutenant Governor of California] was telling us about before when we were on the line, and then, somebody need to talk to the\u2013 (unintelligible under Jones interruption)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I can\u2019t\u2013 I can\u2019t\u2013 Well, let me tell you about Dymally (stumbles over words)\u2013 Grenada. The only way you can go to Grenada is that uh, (Laughs) that\u2019s the strangest damn twist of things I have ever seen in my<\/i> life. They\u2019re friendly to us. If we don\u2019t have any trouble here, they\u2019ll talk<\/i> to us about going. It\u2019s the most beautiful island under the sun. But it\u2019s going away from communism (pause) into an outright merger economically with Chile. Though the prime minister [Eric Gairy] had been very friendly to us, and is black. It\u2019s very weird.<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>\u2013want that either. So we\u2019ll keep Cuba in mind, and then, if these people\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I think you\u2019d being in a whole\u2013 I think you\u2019ll be in a Guyana shit all over again. I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013 Grenada\u2013 Grenada\u2013 (stumbles over words) It\u2019s so\u2013 It\u2019s beautiful. It\u2019s just a couple of days\u2019 journey up the river. (unintelligible word) down the river. But I\u2013 (tsks). I don\u2019t want to get no more of this shit.<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>Yeah, because things like these\u2013 things have a way\u2013<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(clicks)<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>\u2013a face on each side, the front and behind, and one on each side. Every time you try to screw it on right\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s true. It\u2019s true, sweetie\u2013<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>They got a face for everything come, so\u2013 And I would get\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They had it in US. They had it in US, too, we just didn\u2019t see<\/i> it as directly. And we didn\u2019t have no face of hope there at all<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>I know, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s why we\u2019re always better here, because we have a face of hope<\/i>. And in the US, it was always hopeless, everywhere you looked.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And we couldn\u2019t go in to talk to a foreign minister [either Fred Wills, former Foreign Minister, or Rashleigh E. Jackson], we couldn\u2019t go in and talk to the minister of health [Hamilton Green], we couldn\u2019t get in to see nobody<\/i>, and there was no way to talk about your uh, status, because you were losing your freedom more every day. They\u2013\u00a0they just take black uh, congressmen [reference to Charles C. Diggs (D-Michigan)] and do away with them in the USA. No questions asked.<\/p>\n

Phyllis<\/b>: <\/b>That\u2019s\u2013 well, whatever is best. Whatever you see. If you gonna die here\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> What do you say? What do you say, though? What do you say?<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>Oh\u2013 Well\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He said\u2013\u00a0He said, don\u2019t throw out the\u2013 whatever I say, because it puts a lot of burden on me.<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>Well, I\u2019ll die here. And I\u2019ll uh, go to the States if you want me to, and\u2013\u00a0or I\u2019ll go to the States period. (Pause) (Emphatic) I will go to the States.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>For what? For what reason? Shush. Hush, hush, hush. For what reason for the States, honey?<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>I will go to the States, and I\u2019ll meet with the people\u2013 with our enemies at\u2013\u00a0wherever they meet. And after I get there, I will get a pistol. And I will get some ammunition.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Phyllis: <\/b>And then I wouldn\u2019t mind shooting every one<\/i> of them, and then shoot<\/i> myself, but I wouldn\u2019t have<\/i> to shoot myself, because the police would shoot me. See, but I\u2019ll shoot every one of them.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(unintelligible) That\u2019s good, (unintelligible name), I like that. You talk like\u2013\u00a0You talk like you\u2019re realistic. Put her name down. (Pause) She\u2019s right. You wouldn\u2019t have to worry about shooting yourself. (Pause) (Sighs) Oh, sure, she\u2019d get done a lot more than some of these chicken-hearted uh\u2013 the uh, younger people even here are scared. You people go scared every time somebody talks like that.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That is true, they go\u2013 (Pause; pantomimes?) You\u2019re going to live forever, honey. You\u2019re going to live forever. (Pause) (Sighs)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Uh, Dad, I agree with Sister Sneed about that. But uh, what I wanted to speak about is um, L.A. I would like to go to L.A., although I don\u2019t want<\/i> to go back, but I would like to go there on account of the Mertles<\/i> [Elmer and Deanna Mertle, aka Al and Jeannie Mills]. And I would like to go there and kill a bunch of them and then let the policemen kill me, or give up and let \u2018em kill me, because I\u2019d like to get a lot of them before I\u2013 (Pause) before they get me.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Put her name down. How you going to do it? Somebody asked, that\u2019s a good question. How are you going to do it?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>What if I get me some kind of poisoned needle or gun or anything I can get my hands on to kill \u2018em. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> I don\u2019t think they would kill you. They would torture you first. (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Well, I\u2019d kill myself<\/i>. They were going to kill myself, then, if they wouldn\u2019t kill me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Quit eating, honey, they can\u2019t torture you long. That\u2019s one thing you can do. You can quit eating and quit drinking, and they can\u2019t keep you alive indefinitely with intravenous. No way. They can try, but they can\u2019t do it. There been plenty of black people have refused it, right in the prisons of USA, and died. I know histories, medical histories. They can\u2019t keep you alive. Don\u2019t let them feed you. Don\u2019t let them give you a drop of water. Then the torture will stop pretty soon.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>And about them meeting or whatsoever they gone have down there, what they ought<\/i> to do, whenever they come down there, they ought to go where all those uh, uh, winos\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hear what I\u2019m sayin\u2019, what I\u2019m telling you. If you\u2013\u00a0if you got a will<\/i> to die, and do your job, you\u2019ll do it. Drink your piss, grab your piss the first time they\u2019re not looking and drink it. Umm-hmm. (Pause) Go on.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>And um, get some of those winos, the ones would like to drink and fight, and bring them up there in\u2013 and let them get\u2013\u00a0get rid of the people what come in front of the police. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, unfortunately, most winos like to drink, but not fight.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Well, a lot of them like to fight, though.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2019ve often considered contract work, but contract work, even with people that I have had\u2013 uh, these sons-a-bitches are out telling some of that now, they\u2019re saying I got a contract with the Mafia, but if I\u2019da had<\/i> one and wanted to use<\/i> it, and thought it was fe\u2013 feasible, they wouldna been walking loose<\/i>. There\u2019s always some loose ends about contract work. (Pause) I believe in the loyalty of myself and in the inner core of us who know our principles. You start keeping people saying, get this gang, get that, get the Mafia, you don\u2019t know who in the hell you\u2019re getting. You don\u2019t know who in the hell you\u2019re getting. You get a double agent. You don\u2019t know what the fuck you\u2019re buying. (Pause) Buying\u2013\u00a0When you buying a killer, you got\u2013 you\u2013\u00a0it\u2019s\u2013\u00a0it\u2019s tough business. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(unintelligible) all\u2013\u00a0all the questions we need to ask. (Pause) Okay, let\u2019s go.<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> Now what are we going\u2013\u00a0Uh, if we do go to Cuba, what are we going to do about housing?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Honey, Cuba is uh, no trouble about housing. They got great big modern apartments, Havana is as uh, beautiful a city as you\u2019ve ever been in your life, it makes Georgetown\u2013\u00a0there\u2019s no gutter\u2013\u00a0there\u2019s no ghetto in Havana. Uh, it\u2019s way ahead of this revolution. In that way, it\u2019s ahead of USA. There\u2019s no ghettoes. You don\u2019t find any\u2013\u00a0You don\u2019t find no poor section. Some of their streets<\/i> are not up to par, because they been putting more care in the hospitals and\u2013\u00a0and the schools. But uh, they got housing. Nice<\/i> housing. Huey Newton had it made, and left. (Clear throat) One ad\u2013\u00a0One of the clear advantage I see you got with\u2013 of Cuba, some mother fucker sometime \u2013 we may win<\/i> it by White Nights \u2013\u00a0is going to go out here and lie. They can do all that they want to in Cuba, but here<\/i>, when you got a mixture<\/i>, and they\u2019re tied up with IMF \u2013\u00a0Cuba don\u2019t get no aid from USA \u2013 you\u2019ve got a\u2013 you got a problem. I don\u2019t want to spell out all the problem like crossword puzzle, but you got a problem. When the first one goes over the hill, if he makes it through the tigers and the snakes \u2013\u00a0which is good chances he won\u2019t \u2013 (unintelligible words under radio static) friendly to us in the GDF, Guyana Defense Force, keeping that friendship with the top man over<\/i> the entire defense force, but somebody said\u2013\u00a0by the way, which bothered me, because I account for a good bit out of a\u2013 John Harris, uh, I understood you said something, you knew a way out of here. I don\u2019t want you to tell about it, but I wanted to know why you said that, \u2018cause that\u2013 that uh, kind of shit gets me\u2013 it gets me nervous. (Pause) I believe in asking you, because it\u2019s going through the grape\u2013\u00a0the grapevine, and I want to ask you about it, because uh\u2013 (Pause) there ain\u2019t no point in mentioning<\/i> it, it don\u2019t seem to me. (Pause) I\u2013<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> I think there was some misunderstanding about that, if there was a conversation now with\u2013\u00a0Diane and I were having.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s the woman.<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Diane: <\/b>When I asked you, but\u2013 but before that um, it was\u2013\u00a0it was pertaining that\u2013\u00a0what we was talking about this afternoon about going back uh, uh\u2013 you know\u2013<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> Strategies.<\/p>\n

Diane<\/b>: <\/b>And uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Going back what?<\/p>\n

Diane: <\/b>I took it l\u2013 like\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I didn\u2019t catch a word you said.<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> Talking strategy. We were discussing strategies.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, yeah.<\/p>\n

Diane: <\/b>And I took it like, he\u2013\u00a0you know, he said that he knew uh, other air\u2013\u00a0airports or other airs\u2013\u00a0you know, ways of getting out of here. And I took it that, you know\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Other air?<\/p>\n

Diane: <\/b>Air\u2013\u00a0Airports or something like that<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He must<\/i> not have said that<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Diane: <\/b>Air\u2013\u00a0Air uh\u2013 strip down here in Port Kaituma, and I didn\u2019t know nothing about no air\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, there\u2019s a airstrip down in Port Kaituma, but they\u2013\u00a0he\u2013\u00a0there ain\u2019t nobody going come in out of that airstrip. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> No, in the strategy that we discussed, I think you\u2019ve got the paper on that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I got strategy on what you said was a very brave act, too, but\u2013\u00a0uh, but that didn\u2019t have nothing to do with airport, did it, uh, John, it was about killing people. Is that what you\u2019re talking about?<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> Uh\u2013 Uh, yeah, one part of it is, um, it\u2019s um, getting in and getting out.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see, well, if that\u2019s what it related to, then it\u2019s no\u2013 (stumbles over words) I just wanted to ask the\u2013 the goddamn question, \u2018cause anytime you hear anybody<\/i> talk about that shit, you gotta know what they\u2019re talking about, what\u2013\u00a0what they got in mind. (Pause) Cleared up. I want\u2013 the reason I\u2019m clearing it up for other people\u2019s minds.<\/p>\n

Diane: <\/b>And that\u2019s the way I\u2013\u00a0I understood it.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, he had a plan, a very sophisticated plan on\u2013 which I don\u2019t want to go into, it had to do with the uh\u2013 well, it had to do with uh, elimination of enemies (tape edit) which I told him to keep, \u2018cause it showed follow-up thought through, street knowledge and savvy. (Pause) Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Dad? Dad? I have a little cousin that made a bomb, and uh, he threw it in uh, the lake in uh, Oakland, and uh, they\u2013\u00a0they sent the\u2013 the Army\u2013 the uh, the Army, they had to\u2013\u00a0they had to\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hold it. Could you stop just a minute there, sweetie? Three thousand of gol\u2013 of gallons of water, (clears throat), 15, 13, 70 tons, 350 people. Is that 280 tons? Huh?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>That\u2019s 280 tons left over for uh, food and equipment.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>After the people?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>(unintelligible word). Only 13 tons for uh, the uh, water necessary\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, Christ Almighty, 280 tons, we can put a hell of a lot on a ship with 280 tons. (Pause) Bulldozer\u2019s only 16 tons. We could take a hell<\/i> of a lot out of here.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Yeah, well, that includes everything.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Take all of our medical supplies? We could strip everything, damn near.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And then\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> \u2013the draft of the boat into consideration?<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>What?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>The\u2013\u00a0The load\u2013 Let me have it. The load that\u2013<\/p>\n

Another man:<\/b> What he explained is, we may have 350 tons with the space\u2013\u00a0the area to put this in. That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s what he\u2019s talking about.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> No, I\u2019m talking about after you get 300\u2013\u00a0the boat may take that, but every pound that you add makes it go that much farther down in the water, and I\u2019m wondering about the way out, we got some places where the draft will only allow a certain draft on the boat.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Alan, that\u2019s right, (stumbles over words) the shallow draft\u2013 what\u2019s the\u2013<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, they\u2019re bringing in 500 tons laden<\/i>, don\u2019t they?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They\u2019ve brought them in laden, right down this river. So we got no trouble there. Two hundred eighty tons extra for weight. (Pause) Come on, now, folks, stay with it, for Goddamn sake, your fat ass is gone be on<\/i> there. We\u2019ll take you off, and then there\u2019ll be 281 tons\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Okay, the um, the Mertles have called up\u2013 (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Silence and technical problems for several moments<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We better get Claire [probably Janaro], you have to talk to her on a phone patch, or above band where they can\u2019t be followed.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Can\u2019t hear?<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Can\u2019t hear a thing. No copy, huh?<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Little. Barely\u2013\u00a0We\u2019re getting bits and pieces, I\u2019ve gotten\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, they\u2019ve made contact with the Medlocks [Mabel and Wade Medlock], so they\u2019re going to have them there.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Pat\u2013 Pat\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Pat Rhea, they think\u2013 they was thinking about using Pat Rhea. We could get in the middle of the mess, so we could\u2013 What about her loyalties?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Pat Rhea\u2019s mother.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Pat Rhea\u2019s mother. Said she\u2019s had a nervous breakdown, but she\u2019s close to Claire. What about her holding up and then we\u2019ll find out where they\u2019re going to be? (Pause) They\u2019re call\u2013\u00a0They\u2019re calling everybody in Los Angeles, trying to get \u2018em in this shit.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Huh?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>If Pat Rhea\u2019s mother is who they\u2019re talking about\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Pat Rhea\u2019s mother.<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> Yeah, Ozzie Holley in L.A., she seemed pretty positive, and she\u2019s a caller there, and I don\u2019t know how she would re\u2013 react.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, they called her.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hush. Let\u2019s hear it\u2013 Kay\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>(unintelligible) Monica Peters is not\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, she isn\u2019t, huh? No\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Monica would have a theatrical performance there.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Isn\u2019t that right, Comrade Rhea? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Let me see. You want to tell Dad something?<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Can we respond to how you think they\u2019ll hold up?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Oh, yeah, we\u2019d like a statement as to how you feel\u2013 if they\u2013\u00a0if they\u2019ll\u2013 they\u2019ll hold up under going into a den of traitors. Going into a press conference with traitors.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> My mom?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> I\u2013\u00a0I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She act\u2013\u00a0She have to act like she gone play one role and get a\u2013\u00a0do a switch inside, and embarrass the hell out of them.<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> I think she could do it. I think she could, \u2018cause uh\u2013 (clears throat) I\u2013 Well, you know, she\u2013 when she brought me in the church, and everything, the way she got me in, you know, and I really didn\u2019t want to come and nothing, and she um, she kept making me come, you know, my five times so I could get my card and everything, you know, and the whole time, I\u2019d still didn\u2019t want to come, and she was making me, you know, telling me different things, you know, about the church and Dad and everything, and um\u2013<\/p>\n

End of Side 1<\/b><\/p>\n

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Side 2<\/b><\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> \u2013Peoples Temple, you know, members were (unintelligible words)\u2013 they got 30 years, they tell me, so\u2013 now, I\u2013 I have Odessa\u2019s phone number, she\u2019s in Los Angeles. So if they\u2019re gone be there tomorrow<\/i>, uh, we could call Odessa, Odessa\u2019ll be there. If you wanted tape of whatsoever they said, she\u2019ll start something here. I know she will. I know how she is, just as bad as Hazel, about raising hell, that\u2019d be right to her hands.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Umm-hmm. Get her name, check with L.A.\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Odessa Barnes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Odessa Barnes. You know her address?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> I\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2013 I think I have the address, down to the house here, in my\u2013 in my government papers.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I see\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> I go\u2013\u00a0You want me to go see if it\u2019s there?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You got \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> You got \u2018em? Well, that\u2019s her. Yeah, uh, she\u2019ll be<\/i> there, I bet she ready to move out now (unintelligible words) went dry. I know her. \u2018Cause I was raised up with her.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Umm-hmm. (Short laugh)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> But if that news conference is tomorrow, we could use a little tear gas, or maybe a stink bomb. And that is very easy um, if they move to a different location, we can do the same thing all over again. And I don\u2019t think we can\u2013 uh, legally, it wouldn\u2019t be all that bad, but a stink bomb sure discourages people from staying where they are.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, Che\u2013 Chemist [Jack] Barron, what about that? What can be quick, (short laugh), I don\u2019t know, and lawyers, tell me what\u2013 how many years.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) Chaikin\u2019ll give you the statute and the number and the years. That\u2019s Chaikin.<\/p>\n

Chaikin: <\/b>It\u2019s six months, Dad, malicious mischief.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) Six\u2013 six months, malicious mischief<\/i>. A nice malicious mischief\u2013 yeah, you go\u2013 you know, don\u2019t you. Connie [probably Connie Frohm] got malicious mischief. (Tape edit) Come on, now, you people gone give me these notes, notes notes notes notes notes notes notes notes notes.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He sure would lie. Yeah, I agree with Ellihue [Dennis], Wade Medlock ought to be\u2013 ought to\u2013 (Pause) go visiting somebody tomorrow. (Pause) See, he lies just for the fun<\/i> of lying. I saw the\u2013 that. I saw it. I saw it. In just a moment, we will put the seniors first, and then we will proceed in the line to dinner over there, and then you\u2019ll stay in this immediate area. You\u2019ll stay in this immediate area. You can set down\u2013 the seniors in the geriatric section can lay down, then\u2013 in that area, you can lay down on the\u2013 (unintelligible word) can lay down on the floors, where we will not go far. On benches. Do you hear what I\u2019m saying? Does anybody have to be called back at a moment\u2019s notice, based on what comes over that telephone line.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> Can\u2019t hear you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thank you, (Louder) I said, I will be dismissing shortly (pause) to dine, the seniors first<\/i> will be taken care of, so they can get\u2013 then they can lay down in the area there. We will not move out of this immediate area. (Pause) Security. You understand?<\/p>\n

Scattered: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Quieter) It\u2019s important till we know what kind of a war we\u2019re in, or whether we\u2019ve found some peace<\/i>, as we have many, many times before. (Pause) Hmm? Oh, yes. (Pause) Well, then, here\u2019s another. I healed her when she fell in the water. She shoulda died, when they pushed her off the boat, when we were trying to get out the worst White Night we ever had, to Cuba. And we\u2019da made it on the boat, but some people got so damn selfish, but Bea Jackson was shoved off, and\u2013 she\u2019s written up, Bea, stand up. She supposed not to be able to ever walk again, they broke her hips so badly, she\u2019s walking all alone, just as well as she ever did. She said, you saved my life, I\u2019ll do such-and-such and such-and-such. Thank you. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>I said, I have last night, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>I said, I have last night.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, yeah. Well, that\u2019s good. That\u2019s good. I said some did last night.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Good. What was the name, what was the name, get the names down again. Check \u2018em out. (Pause) Carrie Langston.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Charlie Newhouse has had a suggestion. Pass that over to Kay Nelson. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> (Unintelligible word) while we\u2019re waiting\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Alfred March comes up with a good defensive posture. First, second waves of battle and so forth. That\u2019s excellent. Get the uh\u2013 get the\u2013 I like his thinking. The practicality, I\u2019m not\u2013 I think I\u2013 Amazing, our children get themselves concerned. Give a uh\u2013 (unintelligible word), then uh, each have a number, somebody give them a number they\u2019re after, case at some point here in a minute I close off for the re\u2013\u00a0for the dining.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Dad, in Los Angeles, they ru\u2013\u00a0the police really run, if you say there\u2019s a man with a gun. And if we had someone there that uh, when these people gathered, that you could\u2013 they could make a call to the police<\/i> department and tell them that there was a man there with a gun threatening some people, gee, the whole riot squad would be out there. At least they could break it up for a little while. Then another thing I was thinking of was, maybe Pearl Walton could do a crazy nigger act,<\/a> (laughs) she always has something in mind. And she\u2019s not afraid. Abigail.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Abigail?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Yeah, she\u2019s<\/i> not afraid to do anything.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ol\u2019 (unintelligible name), she\u2019s down there still?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> Yes, she\u2019s there, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Huh?<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> She\u2019s there.<\/p>\n

Another voice:<\/b> She\u2019s not here, but she\u2019s there.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know\u2013 I know where she\u2019s at. What is\u2013\u00a0Where is she at, in terms of her commitment?<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> She wants to stay there.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> She\u2013\u00a0She\u2019s in L.A., and she says she\u2019s gonna stay there, Dad.<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>She\u2019s gotta stay there? Why?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Um, I don\u2019t know\u2013 I don\u2019t know her reason, but she asked for her passport, she took it back and she said she was going to stay.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Why is it, (unintelligible name, sound like \u201cMitchell\u201d)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Service for the kitchen, please.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>One thing, Dad. She says that uh, she don\u2019t hear from nobody. She\u2013 she\u2019s uh, she\u2019s looking for mail, nobody writes to her, she\u2019s uh, just\u2013\u00a0she wants to hear everybody else\u2019s opinion<\/i> before she comes over here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Reacts)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>That\u2019s right. She told me that exactly<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Will somebody write\u2013\u00a0somebody write their opinion.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> I\u2019ll write to her, Dad.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Anyway\u2013<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>But a lot of seniors are like that there. Just\u2013\u00a0just worrying about, you know, how it is, they\u2019re scared<\/i> and uh\u2013 they know<\/i> it\u2019s a beautiful place, but they just gotta hear everybody else\u2019s opinion first. That\u2019s before\u2013 before they make their own minds<\/i> up.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> They don\u2019t trust Dad.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>That\u2019s it. That\u2019s another thing. They don\u2019t trust Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Don\u2019t trust\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Another male:<\/b> Be quiet.<\/p>\n

Older male:<\/b> Dad, I\u2019d taken this lady home a lot of many nights from the Temple, and one night, me and my wife was taking her home, and we was telling her about we was getting ready to sell out everything we had, we didn\u2019t want anything, we was going to join the cause. She said, you all ain\u2019t nothing but damn fools, to sell your property and go with him out there. You should keep some for your children. I said, I don\u2019t want anything. I don\u2019t have any children. I got some nephews and nieces<\/i>, and I don\u2019t want to leave them anything<\/i>, because they don\u2019t care nothing about<\/i> me. So I\u2019m going to sell out everything I got and go with him. That\u2019s what me and my wife did. This woman told us, we was damn fools to sell out and go\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019ve<\/i> never had uh, that much faith in the woman. I thought she was a lot of steam and not uh, much substance, as Mother [Marceline Jones] can tell you. (Pause) I never was that impressed by her.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I just don\u2019t want\u2013\u00a0I don\u2019t even need to discuss her, because I\u2013 I\u2013\u00a0I let people do a lot of things like marching, and naturally, somebody would not know \u2013 they wouldn\u2019t know, like Moms [Mabley, likely Bertha Cook] wouldn\u2019t know \u2013 but I\u2013 I do<\/i> know. And I never asked for her. First place, I never asked for her, and I\u2019d never\u2013 if I ever, uh, asked anybody to write<\/i> her. I am now to show concern, but I am not impressed with the woman. I never have been. I always thought she was much, much uh, noise and not much substance.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> My best st\u2013 strategy is, Dad, that um, if we\u2013\u00a0if we could get some\u2013 get some bombs and put on both sides of the largest county jails in Los Angeles, that would bring a lot of attention right there, because they\u2019ll hate to see a lot of niggers getting loose.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> I\u2013 I said that, the best strategy would be to put\u2013 to\u2013 you know, bombs on both sides of the jails, the largest\u2013\u00a0and the lar\u2013\u00a0largest jails in Los Angeles, and when they find out that a lot of niggers was getting loose, that would convert them to, you know, to move fast, and that way, we can get Tim Stoen who knows too much, we can get Garry Lambrev, which I<\/i> want, because he came down to my house, and made a special trip when Ron Talley was keeping \u2018em, and he was saying that um\u2013 no\u2013 no one had time for the children, when it was really him.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> And um\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> I feel that uh, I\u2013\u00a0I\u2013\u00a0I wouldn\u2019t mind going, but I\u2013 I like it here (unintelligible word). But\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You like what?<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> I like it here myself, but I\u2013 I wouldn\u2019t mind going. And if anyone decided that they wanted to become a traitor while they were out there supposedly working for this cause, all you have to do is pick up the phone, call the Mafia that you have connections with, and they just, you know, pick \u2018em off.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Umm-hmm. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Right now.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd:<\/b> (unintelligible phrase) large group of niggers, they\u2019d shoot first and ask questions later.<\/p>\n

Another male:<\/b> What\u2019s going to keep them blowed up with the bomb?<\/p>\n

(unintelligible voice)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Young person:<\/b> Dad, I was (unintelligible balance under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I listened, and uh, pass uh, judgments uh, based on time and reflection, and appreciate all of you doing the same. Make your judgments, that\u2019s fine. You can disagree with any of these folk\u2013\u00a0points of view. People, very sincere, can make wrong suggestions. All right, now that the uh\u2013 we shall dismiss and be ready on a moment\u2019s call. Moment\u2019s call. You understand. You are not to leave the center area, you are to cir\u2013\u00a0encircle that\u2013\u00a0uh, all this tent region round behind here. Do you copy? All the way back through the cottage areas, separated between the warehouse, out to the toilet. That\u2019s where guards<\/i> are to rotate. You\u2019re dismissed.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub).<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No one goes anywhere (unintelligible word). No cottages.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Because we\u2019ve not heard from our war call.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices:<\/b> Shut up.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(More severe) Do you want to all get called back?<\/p>\n

One voice:<\/b> Shut up. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Calms) Okay. Proceed. Seniors first, children\u2013 Uh, that order of eating. And do not eat\u2013\u00a0(Louder) do not eat as heavy as servings as you would ordinarily. We have not been in the fields. (Pause) You\u2019ll just go straight-ass to sleep, and we\u2019re in a war crisis emergency. Kitchen, take that in mind (Pause) except those that are under-nourished. (Pause) You\u2019re hearing in the kitchen hears me? (Pause) Be sure the kitchen takes note. (Pause) It always late, there\u2019s always chance for somebody snacking late. (Pause) Don\u2019t go far. Guards should your\u2013\u00a0Security should be encircled\u2013 You\u2019re\u2013\u00a0You\u2019re\u2013\u00a0You\u2019re not uh, far enough there beyond you<\/i>. Security is beyond you<\/i>. They\u2019re beyond you<\/i>. You should be beyond the crowd<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>(Call out)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Get organized here. (Pause) (Tsks several times) (Quietly) You got a lot to learn in that sector. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Can children play in the playground?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Children can play on the playground. But you\u2019re not to go\u2013\u00a0Seniors can lay on benches, they can lay on floors in the nurses\u2019 quarters (voice rises, then drops)\u2013 If necessary in the nurses\u2019 quarters, they can lay down there. Seniors can lay down, if they need to. If you need to lay down, talk about it. We\u2019ll talk, on a case-by-case\u2013\u00a0Nurses, you decide. If you have feeling of tiredness, you go and see\u2013\u00a0you go and see medical people. Okay. Let\u2019s go.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(responding to unintelligible male) Yes. What? (Pause) You can read in the library, of course. Read in the library. (Quietly) Thank you.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Tape edit<\/p>\n

(unintelligible voices)<\/p>\n

Unknown:<\/b> Test, test, test.<\/p>\n

Tape silence for several moments<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Will you please\u2013 (Pause) Uh\u2013 Security, take somebody that never is up here. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I don\u2019t always think that one should uh, strategize (Pause) to give good<\/i> news, and I don\u2019t think it\u2019s tactical strategy to<\/i> give good news. I uh, don\u2019t think that\u2013 either it\u2019s best to hold it to the end of the day so people feel good<\/i>. I give it to you as it comes. Meeting with the Cubans, in the possibility that there is indeed a rightwing takeover, and it certainly was in their frame of reference, that it was possible<\/i>, that there could<\/i> be a rightwing uh, fascist coup, they indicated that they had taken more Chileans than any nations\u2013 all the nations put together\u2013 and that there be\u2013\u00a0they could see no<\/i> problem, and it was sort of a bombshell<\/i>, we\u2019d never asked them, and they could see no problem in taking all of us into Cuba.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Enthusiastic applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(unintelligible word \u2013 could be \u201cpeace). And\u2013 And I can assure<\/i> you then that there\u2019d be no more hassle in terms of the um, (Pause) families<\/i>. I don\u2019t like the long range terms in terms of\u2013 (Pause) you know, what civilization holds in nuclear situations and that sort of thing, but who in the hell\u2013\u00a0Everybody goes sometime<\/i>, and it would be lovely to be where there\u2019re the most fantastic cooperatives I\u2019ve ever seen in my life. I have never seen such high schools where every high school had its own farm, and those farms will look so beautiful from one end to the other, and great stadiums\u2013 The boys can talk to you, all my sons were there. Great Olympic swimming pools and athletic facilities that would top anything you\u2019d ever dreamed<\/i> of or seen in United States, all the mansions of the former ruling class elements after the Revolution have been turned over to children, to seniors, for cooperatives and uh, nurseries, senior citizen homes, and uh, it\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a very lovely, lovely place. Ain\u2019t no question about it, it\u2019s a very lovely place. Ultramodern, interracial, and uh, revolutionarily committed. Our daughters and sons could train in any field and profession, and they can also volunteer for the Cuban forces, if they wanted to, to go and fight in the people\u2019s war of liberation in uh, Zimbabwe or wherever, the\u2013 the\u2013\u00a0the uh\u2013\u00a0the\u2013\u00a0the horizon<\/i> there would be total<\/i>. There\u2019d be no eclipse<\/i> in that<\/i> sense. Now that\u2019s uh, uh, something for us to hold on to, as a potential<\/i>, certainly beats it\u2013 (mike shuts off for one second) happens here, it\u2013\u00a0Just move this thing, and something goes wrong. It beats, it seems to me, just a\u2013\u00a0almost a\u2013 a complete conclusion you have to make, that you\u2019d uh, by necessity have to go to um, some form of death<\/i>. I need some liquids, as that\u2019s always imper\u2013\u00a0paramount. (Pause) And so that\u2019s what we need to talk about, because Cuba thinks there\u2019s trouble, the Soviet Union doesn\u2019t, uh\u2013 No. Any different than what they\u2013\u00a0we heard from the ambassador, and we cannot reach the ambassador presently. He\u2019s not in Georgetown. [Aleksandro Voropaev] The head of Tass news for the Caribbean, largest newspaper in the world, sell I don\u2019t know how many million in circulation, in the millions, 21 million, something like that, will be here. Will leave on the boat tomorrow. Be here one night, and one day. And so we want to have this place spic and span, and I do mean, I want more minds put together to look for beauty, and to get that into our radio office and in the coordinators, and into the\u2013 and I want the inspection people to do more than you\u2019ve ever<\/i> done to see this place is\u2013 Any<\/i> eyesore is uh, brought out to our attention, maybe tonight, so we can have the best for photography, get the benches that are not so good in the right places, and those that are, sit in park-like settings, or in little uh, trundle parks like we have in Eliza Jones\u2019 uh, ma\u2013\u00a0apartment that she manages. There ought to be more<\/i> of that. And it can be done by every<\/i> department, and it should<\/i> be done. Ought to have been done long before. Beautiful plants outside, things like this, hanging. These could hang from the porch<\/i>. There could be stuff be done tomorrow, and uh, of course the Soviet Union hanging high, and there ought to be all the pictures of the Soviet Union. We don\u2019t have any trouble with that. Soviet Union is our spiritual motherland, so we have no trouble with that. And of course, you have no danger of invasion in Cuba, because the Soviet missilery overshadows<\/i> Cuba. And<\/i> nuclear war is not only inevitable<\/i>, in that United States itself<\/i> admits \u2013 and the Soviet Tass said it\u2019s so \u2013\u00a0that they have killer satellites that can stop the incoming missiles<\/i>. So if that\u2019s the case, certainly you got uh\u2013 you have po\u2013 you know, strong potential that uh, even that prospects, that one can ride through a nuclear war, \u2018cause the Soviets have an umbrella around Cuba. They have a military treaty for life. Eternally with Cuba. Attack on Cuba is considered an attack on the United Soviet Socialist Republics. All of Russia will retaliate. And that was the agreement that came out of the attempted invasion of USA of the Bay of Pigs that failed. And then the Russians shipped in missiles to put land missiles aimed at U.S. cities, and Khrushchev [Nikita Khrushchev, premier of the Soviet Union] got an agreement when he took them out that there would never be an invasion. And it\u2013\u00a0it\u2019s sovereign territory, it\u2019s in a part of the alliance now with the Soviet Union, there\u2019s no question that uh, they\u2019ll not uh, invade Cuba. I don\u2019t think any chance of it. I don\u2019t think they\u2019d dare. I don\u2019t think Russia would\u2013\u00a0could uh\u2013 World opinion would completely destroy the Soviet Union, her own allies would have no faith in her, and I can see no<\/i> way that the Soviet Union\u2013\u00a0although that<\/i> could be debated here in geo-political thinking, maybe some of her allies that are prosperous would say, Cuba\u2019s worth sacrificing, but communists are not so pragmatic<\/i> in those gards of\u2013 regards of morality<\/i>. I cannot see communist sacrificing her. And then if she wanted to do anything<\/i> to maintain support\u2013 and see, the economics of Africa sustain communism<\/i>, she would never dare betray Cuba, because Cuba has been the strongest ally of liberation in Africa. And I don\u2019t mean betray in the se\u2013 moral sense, I don\u2019t think uh, the Soviet Union would do<\/i> so. But if it was nuclear blackmail\u2013 or whitemail\u2013 nuclear whitemail<\/i><\/a>, I can\u2019t imagine that uh, even so<\/i>. If US said we\u2019re going to do this, we\u2019d get\u2013\u00a0we\u2019re going to take over Cuba, we\u2019re going to annex Cuba, or we\u2019re going to nuclear war, I think uh, that Russia would have to meet her eyeball to eyeball, because no one in Africa would ever trust the Soviet Union again. And USSR is working too close with Cuba in the liberation of Africa to let her down<\/i>. I\u2019m talking about, if you look at it just from a pragmatic standpoint. (Tape edit) We don\u2019t have any details, and it was suddenly bombed on Cuba, and\u2013 (clears throat) today, in their embassy in\u2013 uh, (unintelligible phrase) said they could see no why it couldn\u2019t be done. They\u2019d taken in all the Chileans that have been requested to come, and they\u2019re getting more hostile to US by the minute. (Pause) So nobody\u2019d ever\u2013\u00a0Nobody even gets<\/i> in their courts there. Cuba does not recognize US courts. Period. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> (unintelligible) Uh, Ann wants to know who should come out with uh, tomorrow for (unintelligible phrase). Okay.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Why does anybody?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I think it should be\u2013 In the long run, I think probably\u2013 (Pause) (small laugh) (unintelligible word) the boat will only be in one day. Tass correspondent. Now all the people\u2013 Will the people\u2013 Who do the people here feel should come out with the Tass correspondent? Tim Carter or um, Sharon Amos.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Mixed calls for Sharon Amos and Tim Carter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, let\u2019s\u2013 let\u2019s hear a vote. Do you know\u2013 No\u2013 I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t know, you vote. Don\u2019t shout, I can\u2019t tell. I don\u2019t care. Sharon Amos, how many feel? (Pause) Tim Carter. (Pause) (unintelligible word) reporter with Russia. Reporter with\u2013 from Russia. I would like to hear the dissent, of why so, uh, Rebecca. (Pause) Reason it\u2019s not any other person there, nobody else feels up to it. Black or white, they don\u2019t feel that they\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019ve got the college education to cope with it. That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s the reason. Black, white or Indian. We\u2013 We\u2013 Loria Rod\u2013\u00a0Gloria Rodriguez. I\u2019d rather have some others who are not so essential in wartime confrontation. Carter and her\u2013 and [Mike] Prokes<\/i> is in there too, I suppose you could consider Prokes<\/i>. He\u2019s a\u2013 He\u2019s a newsman<\/i> himself.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Feedback from mike<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Jesus Christ. (Pause) Only thing is, that one of them to\u2013 It\u2019d be nice for her to get a break. But he\u2019s a newsman<\/i>. (Pause) Well, I don\u2019t know. We can all decide that. I\u2013 It doesn\u2019t make necessarily any\u2013 ny difference just because a person is a newsman, either. (Clears throat) So that\u2019s up to people. But Rebecca, why did you feel that Carter\u2013 it should be Carter? It\u2019s important<\/i>. We don\u2019t want nobody to fuck up on that boat. And we got Bruce [Oliver] coming in, who\u2019s uh, slightly agitated, only he\u2019ll be more<\/i> agitated when he gets here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs).<\/p>\n

Rebecca: <\/b>Well, I was thinking\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Bet he gets his mind off his butt<\/i> for a while. So we\u2019ll have to have\u2013\u00a0we\u2019ll have to have a rally<\/i>. Do you deal with that<\/i> situation in the\u2013 the security feels, I don\u2019t know what you feel about that, but I suspect that\u2019s bet\u2013\u00a0that\u2019s probably true, we have to have a rally, because if he\u2019s going home, and his wife will want him home\u2013 (Pause) Yeah, we\u2019ll have to have some kind of a m\u2013\u00a0short meeting at least. I\u2019d like for it to be short<\/i>, and then just put him in Learning, and Learning\u2019s gonna to have to give\u2013\u00a0make a substitute route for a day over to the uh, the\u2013\u00a0the best of Learning better get off, \u2018cause you\u2019re going to be spending the night at the piggery. (Pause) Right? Hmm? I think you better\u2013 You better have a very good work\u2013\u00a0work habit tomorrow\u2013 before tomorrow night, \u2018cause you (unintelligible word) his ass, you\u2019ll be\u2013 you\u2019ll have to go to the piggery, \u2018cause we\u2013\u00a0we can\u2019t have the usual format. The\u2013 Those Russians would understand it, I just don\u2019t know him<\/i>. Russians would think it\u2019s wonderful<\/i>. \u2018Cause Russians don\u2019t believe in fucking with people when they are anarchistic and go against the people\u2019s will. They don\u2019t believe<\/i> in it. And neither does Cuba. So they\u2019d uh\u2013 they would think Learning was fantastic. But uh, just in case the Tass<\/i> man is a double agent<\/i>, you see. You gotta always<\/i> keep your eyes open for every shit. (Pause) Okay. Now what is the\u2013 your thinking on uh, Carter. And here we threw another one, we have Prokes. I\u2019d like<\/i> it not<\/i> to be Prokes, if possible, because Prokes has not been in so long, and Sharon\u2019s been a long<\/i> time removed, and so has Carter, been a long time removed. (Pause) Yes.<\/p>\n

Rebecca:<\/b> The only reason I was thinking about Carter was I was thinking that he had uh, connections with the newspaper and things, and that he would know how to\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Carter?<\/p>\n

Rebecca:<\/b> Yeah, I had him mixed up with Prokes, Dad. I\u2019m sorry.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I see. I see. I see. Okay. You\u2019re arguing for Prokes<\/i>, then.<\/p>\n

Rebecca:<\/b> Yeah, I was actually voting for Prokes, because I\u2013 I thought that um\u2013 and that in fact, that\u2019s who I was voting for, was (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You ought to find out exactly who\u2013 (Stumbles over words) \u2013\u00a0what the Tass guy, they ought to judge by what the Tass<\/i> guy likes, and uh\u2013 Ann, he either takes or don\u2019t take. And they can look at his face and tell. I\u2019ve met<\/i> with him several times. \u2018Cause locked up in a boat, and if he gets seasick, he may be colored here for 24 hours by Ann. (Pause) You folk back there in the back kinda cool it? (Pause) Okay, now what?<\/p>\n

Rebecca: <\/b>I was thinking that, you know what, if he came from a newspaper background that he would know how to deal with people, uh, you know, that had\u2013 that were diplomac\u2013\u00a0matic type people, and I was just thinking that, from a newsperson\u2019s point of view, that he could um, maybe fish out information and get information and maybe, you know, somebody else that hadn\u2019t been in the kind of area would\u2019ve had access to, and he\u2019d know exactly how to go about getting it. And that\u2019s what I was thinking.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay. (Pause) Yeah, that\u2019s important, it\u2019s important (unintelligible under radio chatter).<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Uh, I was thinking that um, Sharon\u2013 in case it ever come up in town, that she might could deal with it better<\/i>, but then again, like you said, she\u2013\u00a0she hasn\u2019t had a\u2013 a break, so that would be good if she did<\/i> come, but I was thinking in terms of\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, she might get some instructions that might be helpful, \u2018cause she\u2019s in combative<\/i> warfare all the time. But there\u2019ll be damn little time I\u2019ll have to talk to her about anything<\/i>. It\u2019ll be entertaining him<\/i> all the time. That\u2019s only one day, and that boat has to come in, and it has to go back out, because there\u2019s a group of people here that gotta go in and secure our education, they gotta leave, what, Sunday night?<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That boat\u2019s got no more than 24 hours. Now tell \u2018em, get that goddamn boat on time. \u2018Cause if they\u2013 they fuck around here and don\u2019t, you can only unload a boat so fast. You people unload that boat? You gotta unload that boat, 20, 24 hours? Or is\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> 5000 pounds of fish (unintelligible under Jones interruption)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>5000 pounds of fish. Where\u2019s Stephan [Jones]? Boy, that\u2019s a\u2013\u00a0(stumbles over words). That off-loading of that boat is no\u2013 no small process. Where is Stephan?<\/p>\n

Stephan:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You may have 20\u2013 20 hours, is all. \u2018Cause (Stumbles over words) there\u2019s no way to break it. They gotta be in for a meeting. So they gotta leave Sunday night to get our school<\/i> approved. And we sure want our school<\/i> approved, so we don\u2019t have another White Night next<\/i> week over our school.<\/p>\n

Stephan:<\/b> We\u2019ve never done in any\u2013 in any more than 15 (unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Never taken any more than 15 hours. Oh well, then that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s remarkable<\/i>. \u2018Cause you got 5000 pounds plus of fish. (Pause, while radio interference) (Mimics radio operator) We think, we think, we think, you copy?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Light laughter)<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> Uh, and then uh, then again, you have uh, Mike [Michael Touchette] there and um, and Debbie\u2019s [Deborah Touchette] still there, so they should be able to take care of it, if anything comes up in town.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Prokes<\/i> is be\u2013\u00a0getting awfully tough in the\u2013 in negotiations. He was tougher on uh, the government leader that was threatening us. He backed him up this time\u2013 it was he<\/i> that backed him up instead of Sharon. In fact, Sharon\u2013\u00a0and I can imagine Prokes musta really come on like a tiger, because uh, it even\u2013\u00a0it upset Sharon<\/i>, he was so firm. (Pause) So we\u2019re go\u2013 seeing a new Sha\u2013\u00a0a new Prokes<\/i>, I guess. (Pause) All things can happen. (Pause) But uh, she did. Sharon said\u2013 Sharon\u2013 Sharon was (unintelligible phrase)\u2013 she said he\u2019s the one that backed him up, to put him to the wall, said, you\u2019re going to give us some straight answers, or shit. (Pause) So it sounds to me like Prokes could handle it, for a day<\/i>. I like a woman\u2019s touch, always in everything. But if you men get off this, some of this uh, this game roling that you\u2019ve played because of what US capitalism has done to us, way\u2013 it\u2019s fucked us up, give us false images, machismo bullshit, passivity, (unintelligible word) to depend upon the women when the real uh, hard confrontations came, if we\u2013 we would uh, get a little bit of the feminine in hom\u2013\u00a0in the uh, hetero\u2013 you know, hetero mixture, as it\u2013 whatever the hell there is, what the fuck\u2019s the other called. I despise it. Masculine. Masculine<\/i>. Yeah. (Pause) (Laughs) Shanda James says, that\u2019s perfectly okay, we don\u2019t have to have a rally. When he finds his clothes on the porch, he<\/i> knows what that means.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter, applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) She said, I\u2019ll handle it. You and the people don\u2019t have to put up with that bullshit. Thank you, Shanda James.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh shit. I still say we gotta\u2013 (unintelligible under radio) And Karen Lendo better be on\u2013 on\u2013 on\u2013 Karen better be nice to (unintelligible word). Right? We have an agreement, Karen?<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hmm.<\/p>\n

One person applauds<\/p>\n

Low crowd noise<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> Quiet.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Dad, there\u2019s um, a section of western India where they have a matriarchies, that is, the women rule in the\u2013 in the royal houses, and also in each home, and descent is through the women<\/i>. And uh, a woman, when she wants to divorce her husband, she puts his shoes<\/i> out in the uh, street. And that\u2019s that. He moves out.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hmm.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd noise<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You brothers always show that\u2013 I wish you\u2019d get adjusted and feel like life would have something else besides s\u2013 a leaning<\/i> post, because you always show your discomfort when that comes up. You ought to be so mature<\/i>, you could take<\/i> that shit, one way or the other.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Tell \u2018em, tell \u2018em, \u2018cause Tim has had that happen<\/i> to him, and he wants you to know how it feels<\/i>. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughter)<\/p>\n

(Tape break-up)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>She made a mistake. See, I love him.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Tell her that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Tell her that. I will. He can take it. He\u2019s a good kid. But you\u2013 you ought not to\u2013 You ought not to act like you\u2019re going to fall apart over\u2013\u00a0and you do it, your faces just drop like you\u2013 bigger than a mule\u2019s (tape break up) I don\u2019t know what the problem is, this son-of-a-bitch, but I don\u2019t like it. (Pause, radio interference) It must not be microphones<\/i>. Has to be something in the cord<\/i>. Can somebody uh, whose dishes are gone just set there on the\u2013 (Pause) Found cups over by the toilet. That\u2019s insane. (Pause) All right, now, so what do you want to discuss about Cuba? (Stumbles over words) We got Cuba as an option, do you want to consider it as an option or do you want to rule it out as an option? What\u2019s the arguments against it? I just threw it out on the floor.<\/p>\n

Crowd noise<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>There\u2019s always arguments against anything, my darlings, always arguments against anything. (Pause) (tape edit) I guess. Is it good news?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Um, (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We got a good news from Genesda (phonetic), who\u2019s the head of the uh, what is it, the legal\u2013\u00a0he\u2019s head of a public ad\u2013\u00a0public advocates in San Francisco, he wrote a letter for us, which I\u2019m so shocked, \u2018cause he\u2019s a careful liberal. What else is in there, huh?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>(unintelligible) (tape edit) (unintelligible) election.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Uh, S\u2013 Cuba does not feel that uh, the country will go right. It\u2019ll just delay the elections.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Okay\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s their opin\u2013\u00a0their opinion. What about Jagan [Cheddi Jagan, leader of People\u2019s Progressive Party]?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>(unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Who?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Mario\u2019s opinion.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mar\u2013\u00a0Mar\u2013 Our foreign minister friend, who\u2019s very ill\u2019s opinion is that Jagan and Burnham [Forbes Burnham, Prime Minister of Guyana] will get together\u2013?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Would not<\/i> get together\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Would not get together\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>They have a pathological hatred\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Have a pathological hatred\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>That the only way that they would get to\u2013\u00a0that Burnham\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The only way that we would get together\u2013?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Would be temporary, and then Burnham would drop Jagan. It\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The only way that Bur\u2013\u00a0Burnham would get together is what\u2013?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>A temporary basis and then Burnham would drop Jagan.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Would be a temporary basis, then Burnham would drop Jagan.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>That originally Burnham had offered to get together with Jagan, and Jagan\u2013 (unintelligible under Jones interruption)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Originally Burnham had offered to get together with Jagan, and Jagan refused.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>And then later on, Jagan tried to get back together with Burnham, and Burnham said\u2013 (unintelligible under Jones interruption)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And then later, Jagan tried to get back together with Bergen, uh, Burnham, and Burnham refused.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I been through that shit, honey, I don\u2019t believe in those pathological differences. If the imperialists are on their ass. I been doing a lot of reading. I didn\u2019t sleep any, I asked them to give me some papers in the radio room, and I\u2013 I\u2013 Clarence, I can\u2019t do this, baby, now you two are going to have to get down here, sweethearts. I told you about this. If you\u2019ll sit on this lower floor. Um\u2013 (Pause) Anyway, um\u2013 The New Nation<\/i> is so<\/i> goddamn anti-imperialist, which is the main organ of the Peoples National Congress, I<\/i> don\u2019t know how in the hell they\u2019ll ever be able to pole\u2013 poll the Peoples National Congress, that\u2019s the ruling party, I read that from page to page, cover to cover, two of them, and they\u2019re pretty thick copies, and I could see no<\/i> way in hell\u2013 I don\u2019t know how to hell they\u2019ll twist this around. It\u2019s anti-USA, it\u2019s anti-imperialist, he talks about imperialism in Central America, US imperialism in uh, Cuba, it talks about US imperialism in uh, in Africa, it talked about US imperialism in the Philippines, the whole goddamn paper<\/i> is so full<\/i> of Marxist-Leninism<\/i>, and praise of the Soviet Union, I\u2013 how in the hell are you going to turn the party to\u2013 totally around. Now you can argue that<\/i> point, too, but I\u2019m just laying out what I read, last\u2013 this last\u2019s week New Nation<\/i>, which is the organ of the Peoples National Congress. Now, i\u2013 it\u2019s going to be\u2013 uh, pa\u2013 pathological differences may be, and they may have some enmities\u2013 they used to be old friends, there ain\u2019t nothing like old friends that fell out, but um\u00ad\u2013 \u2018cause they were originally together, you know, in their formation\u2013 uh, they went to jail<\/i> together. Burnham and<\/i> Jagan. They used to be together. How many know that? The PPP and the PNC was one<\/i>. It was<\/i> the PPP \u2013 Peoples Progressive Party \u2013 and Burnham broke away<\/i>, and became the Peoples National Congress. But I uh, I don\u2019t know that the foreign minister, who is now s\u2013 ill and been replaced, due to his condition, and may be terminal, I don\u2019t know that he can judge the prime minister that well. I don\u2019t know whether his<\/i> authority would be any more than somebody else\u2019s authority. But anyway, we\u2019re pa\u2013\u00a0passing out. What\u2019d he say?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Okay that\u2013 the only other thing he said was that the IMF\u2013\u00a0he doesn\u2019t think that the restrictions are being resisted, that Burnham\u2013 that Burnham seemed desperate. He doesn\u2019t agree with the guidelines.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He did\u2013\u00a0He doesn\u2019t agree with\u2013 The foreign minister doesn\u2019t agree with the guidelines of the In\u2013 International Monetary Fund, and uh, but\u2013 but\u2013 but the coun\u2013 country\u2019s getting desperate economically? Is that right?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Yes. And overall that\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And he thinks they\u2019ll accept it.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>He didn\u2019t\u2013 she didn\u2019t get in touch. She said she doesn\u2019t understand it. She didn\u2019t ask questions about it.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>She didn\u2019t understand the IMF?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>She didn\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, somebody<\/i> better understand the IMF.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I told her\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What are<\/i> the guidelines? They got to get their ass back there and find out<\/i> what the guidelines are.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I can sure go back and ask (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Tight voice) Well, somebody<\/i> in there better study up on the IMF. That\u2019s<\/i> the International Monetary Fund, and it\u2019s very important<\/i>. Chaikin can help you over there, if there\u2019s some question we need to pose. (Deliberate) What kinds of controls? Does this involve deflation of a de\u2013 deflation of\u2013 devaluation of a currency? Being that we have some uh, uh, four million dollars in the bank.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>He said (unintelligible under interruption)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(unintelligible)\u2013 Guyanese. What the fuck does that do<\/i> to that? (Pause) That\u2019s the most important thing in the world, \u2018cause they devalue the money, (makes noise of flying away). And don\u2019t shook up over four million dollars, that don\u2019t mean jackshit, honey, \u2018cause when we\u2013\u00a0when we finish paying for a boat<\/i>, when we finish been paying for a boat, it\u2019ll be two hundred fifty thousand<\/i> of that gone. We bought for $110,000 worth of food<\/i> to get us ahead in case any shit<\/i> goes wrong. That\u2013 that place is packed down. So don\u2019t get\u2013 don\u2019t get starry-eyed with four million dollars. That ain\u2019t nothing<\/i>. And all the checks are being blocked. Huh?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That isn\u2019t all we got<\/i>, now. I don\u2019t put all eggs in one basket. That ain\u2019t all we got. We got some buried over yonder, and here and there and elsewhere. (Pause) And we got checks backlogged, they been\u2013\u00a0goddamn US government\u2019s got half these people, there\u2019re\u2013 there\u2019re nearly one hundred thousand US dollars, 257,000 Guyanese dollars\u2013 257,000 dollars that they\u2019re holding up, got people blocked off from. (Drinks) That any one of you that could possibly<\/i> think of USA and want to go back, a lot of you wrote up letters said I\u2013 I miss the food, I miss this, I miss that, I wouldn\u2019t go, but I miss it. I\u2013 Uh, listen, if you hate it\u2013 think enough of the sons-a-bitches, you won\u2019t even miss their hamburgers.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I mean it. I mean it. You\u2013 you\u2013 you\u2019ll hate the fucking place so bad, that even the thought<\/i> of McDonald\u2019s little corner store will remind you all of racism around it and all the meanness and ugliness till it\u2019ll\u2013 you\u2013 your mind\u2019ll get off that hamburger.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And you never<\/i> did eat fried chicken like we eating here.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And if we\u2019ll do some work and get out our asses tomorrow and double up production\u2013 we\u2019ve lost all this, we got 900 more chickens in, we\u2019ll have a chicken<\/i> farm around here and you\u2019ll eat<\/i> meat. I don\u2019t know what the hell you\u2013 the goddamn hamburgers are bu\u2013 ground up\u2013 if you ever was in one of them fucking US capitalist slaughterhouses and see what they put into hamburger, they\u2013 I\u2019ve seen them scrape\u2013 and I worked in a slaughterhouse. They scrape the shit right up, snot, everything else, bones, shit, run it right back through. They don\u2019t\u2013 If you knew what the hell you were eating, you wouldn\u2019t miss none of it.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And that\u2019s why you had so much fucking high blood pressure. You ate too much<\/i> of that shit.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s that pork. And by the way, don\u2019t out no more pork on me. I\u2019m off pork. Uh, my blood pressure, uh, my blood pressure went up be\u2013 directly in proportion to pork. So let\u2019s just hold off the pork. You don\u2019t get that much, but they give me more for protein, that\u2019s what I been eating, is pork. And I\u2013 and my blood pressure goes up. Pork\u2013<\/p>\n

(technical failure for several moments)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Anybody control this thi\u2013<\/p>\n

Unknown male:<\/b> Test, test, test.<\/p>\n

(technical failure)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Hubbub)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Isn\u2019t that right, Tish [Leroy]?<\/p>\n

Tish Leroy:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(clicks tongue) It\u2019s all right. Look for one, Tish, you\u2019ll find one. That like Penny. We used to laugh at Penny, but she kept looking and finally found one. I wished to fuck she\u2019d never found that<\/i> one. (Pause) Hmm. That one that was in between the two buildings.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Bet he was\u2013\u00a0she didn\u2019t find \u2018em either.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t know. He didn\u2019t (stumbles over words) We really the one got the short end of that shit. Some people believe the US system and tried to\u2013 and Goodlett [Carlton Goodlett, San Francisco physician, newspaper publisher], old Goodlett, fat ass Goodlett, mother-fucking Goodlett, I\u2019d like to send him to moon too. (Mimics Goodlett) There you all are, that\u2013 that\u2019s a hot story. Give that story. Yeah. (Normal) Well, why didn\u2019t he do something with it?<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> He also messed up Chris [Lewis] (unintelligible) too.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He messed up Chris\u2019 uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>When\u2013\u00a0when uh, Chris\u2019 uh, report of his death was in the paper, he put a lot in there, and he was told specifically not to put in there. A lot of stuff.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He did, huh.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>It just made him sound like a hoodlum off the street. It just didn\u2019t, you know\u2013\u00a0Evidently, he don\u2019t read his own paper.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, he does.<\/p>\n

(technical problems)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Clicks tongue)<\/p>\n

(technical problems)<\/p>\n

\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

End of tape<\/b><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted April 2006<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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