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(Note<\/strong>: Transcript prepared by Jeff Brailey. The editors gratefully acknowledge his invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

J<\/strong>ones: <\/b>\u2013still without water. Georgetown is under siege<\/i>. The enemy is trying to attack the morale of the people. Now I wouldn\u2019t be disheartened, although the struggle, wherever it calls, does not seem to disturb those who are truly committed. It seems to me that they really lack an effective way of doing business, or they wouldn\u2019t be pullin\u2019 this kinda jackshit operation. I mean they\u2019re tantalizing\u2013 antagonizing rather, irritating\u2013 No one\u2019s being killed and no one\u2019s being napalmed, no one\u2019s being shot down. (Pause) So you might want to discuss where we are on this humid evening, it\u2019s hotter than usual, but we have our beautiful family together. And those musical people, it\u2019s hard to rehearse. It looks like entertainment to you, but it\u2019s not entertainment to them. After a while it becomes a lot<\/i> of drudgery and irritation, over and over and over and over again, and I don\u2019t think (unintelligible under technical problems) can do something about stopping this, whatever it\u2013 it\u2019s uncomfortable to the ear tonight. I\u2019ve got blood sugar problems as usual. (pause) (Tape break-up) \u2013anyone the PA system (pause)<\/p>\n

(Several tape edits with bits and pieces of talking between)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Did the Foreign Ministry (unintelligible word)? (pause) That would have been nice for me, but it wouldn\u2019t have been nice for you (pause) (unintelligible under technical problems) walked in here and no way do I mind that, as long as I can see that kind of beauty of cooperation. I don\u2019t ca\u2013 I don\u2019t care what happens to me, other than that I can somehow make you happy. Then life has meaning. I thought today as I saw\u2013 as I was saying to John, my oldest son, John Senior [either Johnny Moss Brown aka Johnny Jones, or John Victor Stoen], I saw Kay [likely Kay Nelson] and uh, Dov Lundquist walking down, and she said, \u201cHe\u2019s teaching me all<\/i> the things about the farm.\u201d And I thought, this is worth it all for just a few examples like that. Here was a ma\u2013 grandmother and a child, who\u2019d adopted each other, in just a short while. What a bond, what a great bond of friendship. Socialism creates beauty for ugliness. In spite of all the problems we have, it\u2019s utterly fantastic to watch what socialism can do. And if you\u2019d be more cooperative yourself, we\u2019d live in a near perfect society \u2013 yes, we would \u2013 a near perfect society.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Anyone have any uh, questions? Night after night I read news to you, and you don\u2019t hear<\/i> the news, I presume, \u2018cause most people don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t listen<\/i>, I watched tonight, they didn\u2019t listen, does someone have any um, magnifying glasses or a magnifying glass around here? There used to be\u2013 (pause) I have to uh, put it 18 miles away if I give any news. In the meantime you might ask some questions, \u2018cause we\u2019re not going through reports, we\u2019re just gonna have a little bit of gathering. (pause) Hmmm\u2013 anybody have any questions on anything? (long pause)<\/p>\n

Female 1:\u00a0<\/b>(unintelligible) I can\u2019t understand that at all.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>In Japan and what?<\/p>\n

Female 1:<\/b> (unintelligible)\u00a0I didn\u2019t understand it\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What the Japanese will not do, and the Germans either, they will not\u2013 they have surplus, and they will not release any of their surplus nor will they import, they put up trade barriers to protect the capitalists of Japan and Germany. And if they would just increase, I don\u2019t remember the percentage, if they would increase their ig\u2013 their importing as opposed to their exporting, just by a small percentage, it would be able to balance out at least this awful tricky period in the capitalist scene. \u2018Course it\u2019s all just patchwork, you know, and then in\u2013 and then invariably and inevitably\u2013 (Deliberate) invariably and inevitably, you\u2019ll see the consummation of total destruction of capitalism. It\u2019s just bound to be<\/i>. You see, the United States cannot\u2013 United States is having to uh, import<\/i>, nobody will buy United States products and United States doesn\u2019t have sufficiency<\/i>. We\u2019ve re\u2013 we\u2019ve utilized most of our basic resources<\/i>. They\u2019ve been consumed. Been completely used up. So they\u2019re having to go to the world market to buy more and more, and so they\u2019ve got a\u2013 an unhealthy trade deficit. They\u2019re in debt<\/i>. No way to pay<\/i>. And this is a very difficult situation. If other\u2013 if Japanese would buy more things from the United States, and Germany would buy more things from the United States, it would balance that to some degree<\/i>, but capitalists have never been known for sharing. The nature of the instinct of capitalism is greed<\/i>. And so Japanese capitalists are going to look after Japanese, and the German fascist capitalists are gonna look after German<\/i> capitalists, and they have right now an unhealthy margin of\u2013 of\u2013 of uh, su\u2013 surplus. Anybody el\u2013 anybody else have any questions? Yes.<\/p>\n

Martin Amos:\u00a0<\/b>Um, I\u2013 I\u2013 I um\u2013 when we was in socialism class, um, Darren said that um, that in Algeria they have a lot of petroleum. But when I was reading in one of the um\u2013 one of those um, encyclopedias, it said that after the um, after the revolution, it left their economy um, left their economy um, weak, and I wanna know how it could be weak when they have all this petroleum?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Just a moment (whispering aside) You didn\u2019t (unintelligible word) it yourself?<\/p>\n

Female 2:\u00a0<\/b>Mm-mmm [No].<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Uh, okay now I want to hear that question again, obviously\u2013 she had to run in\u2013stay there, (unintelligible word) \u2013 I don\u2019t want to miss this question.<\/p>\n

Female 2:\u00a0<\/b>(unintelligible word) put it on tape, so I\u2019ve transcribed the tape\u2013 the details, but he didn\u2019t know anything about it, but he did (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Stand by, would you, son?<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>She had to go to Port Kaituma \u2018cause of the power failure to make uh, calls on certain important matters. Every day there\u2019s a crisis. Fortunately not every day a White Night.<\/p>\n

Female 2:\u00a0<\/b>(unintelligible) he did not remain. But he said the guys in the country, to supervise (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

(tape edits and technical problems)<\/p>\n

Female 2:\u00a0<\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The 21st of this month, we broke through the ice, we had some barriers being put up by the one in the CIA. But the 21st of this month, we\u2019ll become a legal Guyanese school.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That may not seem like much to you, but it\u2019s the fir\u2013 it\u2019s the first time any commune has been allowed self-government, the first time in the history of Guyana that anything but a government school has been recognized. Now that shows what solidarity of the people can do.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The entire Guyana Board of Education had nothing but praise for our school. So those who work against us have not been able to succeed here<\/i> at least, and that\u2019s good. That\u2019s where we\u2019re at anyway, and so anxious to get our people here. She\u2019ll finish up other worthy points of news. Things are looking up basically<\/i> in this country, \u2018cause we\u2019re getting a socialist course. I like that. I don\u2019t care what the hell that leads to. As long as you can fight on\u00ad\u2013 on the lines of your principle, and it shows that the country\u2019s majority wants socialism of the government, or we would not be recognized as a public school. \u2018Cause that gives us self-sufficiency. That uh\u2013\u00a0That can give us isolation from the rest of the community. That gives us an uh, opportunity to strengthen our internal security. Our people don\u2019t have to come and go, they\u2013 every other youngster, in Port Kaituma, they have to come for miles<\/i> to that school, and they stay there for six weeks, no less, at a time. And they live in there, and they stay there night and day, and work there at night and<\/i> day, and that\u2019s the way the government has of breaking up clanism and family\u2013 counter-revolutionary selfishness that ingrown families, and we were supposed to go to that Kaituma school\u2013 it was built<\/i>, Port Kaituma School was built with us in mind. And I refused to go, and we had a White Night over it. You remember.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We had a hell of a White Night. And anyway, we won<\/i> that and today, we won it officially. All the board voted unanimously, as of the 21st of this month, we will be a public elementary school and a public high school, incorporated and licensed.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Sustained applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Peace and love. Yes, little Martin, what were you asking?<\/p>\n

Martin:<\/b> Okay, ah, um, um, when we was in socialism class, Darren said that uh, that um, Algeria had a lot of petroleum, and then I was reading um, a encyclopedia and it said that after the um, after the revolution in Nigeria, there were uh, Nigeria became a weak count\u2013 a weak\u2013 had a weak economy, and I want to know it got that with all the petroleum.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019m not familiar with oil\u2013 uh, oil in Algeria. Yes, Jann?<\/p>\n

Jann:<\/b> I was going very quickly through a map of Africa, and they had a map about natural resources (unintelligible) take more time or I may have made a mistake, so I would uh, take the time next time and find out exactly what natural resources are (unintelligible)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s good. We need the socialist encyclop\u2013 what\u2013 what encyclopedia did you say it was\u2013 had a poor economy, honey.<\/p>\n

Martin:<\/b> It was um, it was an encyclopedia, the (unintelligible) encyclopedia\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>One thing, you can\u2019t believe everything you read uh, in terms of US approach, US will take facts<\/i> and twist them and make things look worse than they are. Algeria must have had a pretty strong people with a fair amount of resources, or they wouldn\u2019t have been able to won their independence from France. But it\u2019s a good question. Keep on reading and keep challenging your teachers like that. I hope that we\u2019ll be able to get more and more Soviet literature, and we should ask for this when they come, in English, so that we can get uh, free<\/i> of some of this goddamned propaganda that we pick up in every book that we read.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/b> They offered us movies. They have about fifty movies\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, that\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2019s a very good point. Thank you for reminding me. They have about 50 movies which we\u2019ll be able to get, Soviet movies, free, and that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s very good, we\u2019ll enjoy seeing something with some value.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

(pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 3:\u00a0<\/b>Uh, I\u2019m wondering uh, by uh, Japan\u2013 the Japanese not uh, helping Unit\u2013 United States out and their economy uh, also I notice that they did<\/i> buy lots of property in uh, on the west coast and I\u2019m wondering if this is their way of retaliating for the uh, atomic bomb being dropped upon them.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, undoubtedly, they don\u2019t feel too good \u2013 it\u2019s a good point \u2013 undoubtedly they don\u2019t feel too good about American capitalists who want to destroy them and uh, the\u2013 their people by such horrible act\u2013such a horrible act as the effort to destroy utterly Na\u2013 Nagasaki and Hiro\u2013 Hiroshima, and now it\u2019s been said that 344,000 people died in the\u2013 that dreadful bombing, so I\u2019m quite confident you\u2019re right<\/i>. The Japanese uh, took the advantage of building up their economy but down, intrinsically\u2013 Many are predicting a\u2013 a war between Japan and the United States in time. There\u2019s now what they call a trade<\/i> war, \u2018cause obviously a trade war exists, but they\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019re predicting another war because United States doesn\u2019t seem \u2013 thank you so much \u2013 The Unit\u2013 United States does not uh, (Pause) um\u2013 You can\u2019t\u2013 can\u2019t talk them into anything, just cannot talk them into any<\/i> kind of negotiations whatsoever. Anybody have any questions for um, how we can improve<\/i> or some\u2013 something going on here that you would like to see changed other than it\u2019s limited your narrow little perspective? By the way, (reads) now rape is taking a pattern in news events. It\u2019s a very, very, very frightening situation. (Pause) Here\u2019s a typical decision: First this excuse that a permissive society makes a rape natural response \u2013 and this has been upheld by the high s\u2013 high court \u2013 to the way women dress. Then that women hitchhikers advertise that they wouldn\u2019t mind exchanging sex for a ride. Now finally, Hawaii\u2019s highest district judge, Robert Rich\u2013 Richardson, has joined Wisconsin Judge Archie Simonson, California Judge Lynn Compton, in using sexist arguments to acquit an accused rapist. Richardson dismissed an accused rapist. Richardson dis\u2013 uh, dismissed the rape charge against a white Marine in Honolulu on March 24, because he said the victim had failed to put up enough resistance. Now notice this. The victim, Asiatic, had testified that she was hit by the Marine\u2019s car while jogging \u2013 she\u2019s out jogging, she wasn\u2019t hitchhiking \u2013 forced into the car by knifepoint and raped, sodomized, fucked in the ass that means, sodomized, when\u2013 then threatened with a broken cut bottle to cut her throat. On March 5, 700 people demonstrated at the Honolulu courthouse, demanding that the\u2013 the supreme court federal judge consider whether Richardson\u2013 uh, the supreme court consider whether Richardson is fit to hold his post. However, it will achieve nothing because Hawaiian judges are appointed to office and not subject to citizen recall. Real attitude. You\u2019d think that there\u2019d be a progressive attitude in the country, but not so.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)\u00a0(pause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Anyone knows anything about radio, Al [Touchette] and Mike Carter, would you go and see if you would please um, radio\u2013 we were thinking that our radio may be not functioning properly here. Anybody have a question?<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2013(unintelligible) this and that. A\u2013 A woman is raped, run over by a car at a block to stop her, run over when she\u2019s jogging to exercise, and the courts of Wisconsin and California in similar judgments uphold that uh, the woman is contributing<\/i> to it by being out on the street. And so uh, she\u2019s sodomized, or screwed in the\u2013 in the rear, in the an\u2013 the anus or the ass, and beaten, threatened to be cut by a jagged bottle, and she\u2019s<\/i> contributed to the rape and so the white man goes free, and\u2013 the little bit of racism there of course too\u2013 and the Asiatic uh, is uh, guilty, and scarred, all the newspapers, her name\u2019s printed and she\u2019ll bear the scars all of her life and he doesn\u2019t go to jail at all. Nice 24-year-old white Marine officer. (Pause) I don\u2019t know if you see the seriousness of these kind of things. They represent very dangerous patterns. Atheism is denied as a right to exist and get tax privileges by the Supreme Court, by the way. Madalyn Murray O\u2019Hara [O\u2019Hair], famed atheist spokesperson, has going\u2013 is going to take her movement outside of the United States. She has not announced where she will go. But she said it\u2019s a dark day in United States for anyone who has the\u2013 the feeling they\u2019re going to dissent. Freedom of speech or freedom of belief, it just doesn\u2019t exist anymore. And we\u2019re fortunate to be here. Whatever kind of problems we have, we\u2019re fortunate to be here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (murmurs assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes, yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Male 2:\u00a0<\/b>If uh, if the country would go over to the uh\u2013 part of the\u2013 the Soviet bloc, how would that affect the uh, the US, you know, with her\u2013 with the embassy here and, you know, just overall in general?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, interesting enough, our intelligence \u2013 and we have a considerable intelligence trying to work through Georgetown \u2013 our intelligence has it that uh, the US embassy is meeting more<\/i> and more these days with Arch\u2013 Cheddi Jagan, uh, Cheddi Jagan, and tryin\u2019 to act like they\u2019ve been friendly all the time. This would show to me that the United States is facing up to a new reality, um, in open meeting with our people, our delegation, [Mike] Prokes and Sharon [Amos] and Debby [Blakey], and uh, several others, he was talking about him being good friends with Cheddi Jagan. You were there too, on one occasion. And since then they\u2019ve had another meeting, so he\u2019s talking about being a friend of the Moscow opposition party here. What is it? How many know what it is? Hold it. How many know what opposition party is? (pause) Now you people ought to know this by now. If classes were doing their job, that oughta be basic thing you go over every time. There\u2019s certain basics you have to go over, you really do, so people can be sure they have them. The PPP \u2013 People\u2019s Progressive Party \u2013 is the opposition party. Dr. Cheddi Jagan just received the honors of the Supreme Soviet. They gave him the honors, said he was doing more for communism in the Caribbean and in Guyana than any other person. Now if the US am\u2013 ambassador is courting<\/i> him, it would show to me that the United States may be in a position economically where they\u2019re going to have to accept a government. Maybe it\u2019ll be a government coalition that promises not to bring direct military Soviet presence<\/i> here. I don\u2019t know, but it certainly is obvious<\/i>, if US embassy wants to let it be known that they\u2019re not an enemy of the PPP. I see us having no difficulty at all if the PPP comes into power. Much less difficulty than we now<\/i> have. And the PNC is\u2013 what is the PNC? People\u2019s National Congress.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(in unison) People\u2019s National Congress.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t know who else could come<\/i> in power. We\u2019ve met with the Working People\u2019s Alliance, it\u2019s the only other strong faction\u2013 Dr. Walter Rodney, who\u2019s over in the uh, GDR, the German Democratic Republic, a very modern communist country in Europe, uh, Comrade Christian\u2019s made a picture of our homeland, our motherland, our spiritual motherland, the Soviet Union, that\u2019s so much vaster. I guess the Soviet Union\u2013 what<\/i> is it in comparison to the United States? I think it\u2019s better than twice the size\u2013<\/p>\n

Prof:<\/b> It\u2019s eight million square miles and the US has got three million square miles.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes, thank you, thank you. It\u2019s almost three times the size\u2013 the Soviet Union is almost three times the United States size, and you see the red star over the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and you can then get the idea of its size by what Prof said, it is eight hundred thousand square miles as opposed to the United States three hundred thousand, almost three times the size of the USA. And Africa, you get an education and ought<\/i> to have an ed\u2013 education because there<\/i> is where history is going to be made. There\u2019s ex\u2013 probably<\/i> where western civilization\u2019s gonna fall. Because I don\u2019t see western civilization giving up Africa easily. They may be forced<\/i> to, but what are they gonna do<\/i> when they have no markets to exploit? They\u2019re already in trouble, they have to get cheap resources to keep up their high standard of living. That\u2019s a bad advantage, and you know when you first came here, you were accustomed<\/i> to certain things. Very difficult withdrawal you went through. Well, the US ruling class is not going to accept<\/i> that withdrawal. In order for them to have what they have today, in order for America to have the few comforts that they have \u2013 and a lot of people are starving<\/i> to death this winter, and freezing<\/i> to death \u2013 they have had to be able to drain South Africa at the bottom, Rhodesia\u2013 what is it, the very important and scarce metal, in fact, it\u2019s one of the singular places in the world where that metal is found. Hmm? Yeah. Say it loud\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> Platinum.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Platinum. Well, Rhodesia\u2019s being lost<\/i> to the liberation forces, the Patriotic Front. You see that purple there? Always when I point it out to you, there should be someone there to put their finger up and point where it\u2019s at. (Pause) Rhodesia \u2013 thank you, Ronnie \u2013 right there\u2019s Rhodesia. And even the capitalists right on the border it is of South Africa, the\u2013 the\u2013 where our people are in concentration camps, uh, right at the tip\u2013 Look over here, and try to learn. See the tip<\/i> of the map, the bottom, that\u2019s where all of our people are in concentration camps. But with all of the United States support and corporations and military presence even there, giving them the most modern jet aircraft, they\u2019re not able to protect little Rhodesia<\/i>. Rhodesia\u2019s falling<\/i>. Its uh, two tracks, its two main arteries into South Africa, have been cut off by the Patriotic Front. They regain them a few hours and they\u2019re cut off again. Patriotic Front is getting direct aid from the Soviets and the Cubans, being flown in and being shipped in from Mozambique by ship\u2013 Mozambique is right on the west coast, or on the east coast rather. See Mozambique? It\u2019s up just above\u2013 right there, right there, right\u2013 all that long, well, that\u2013 that\u2019s a communist government there. And Zambia also supplies\u2013 right above Rhodesia\u2013 and Tanzania is sending in supplies to Rhodesia, the Patriotic Front, to bring down the white racist regime of that purple area again. Point it out again. Rhodesia, which is what? (Emphatic) Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe. Shift, please.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Terry Carter, they need you, we have a contact. Teri Buford, I\u2019m sorry. Thank you, Sharon. Now, I think that you\u2019ll see a nuclear war come out of that situation. Today, Spain is being intimidated by the Canary Islands\u2013 they ought to be put on the map up there a little bit above, where is it just on\u2013 off the left\u2013 left above Africa. (Short laugh) Morocco\u2013 where\u2019s Morocco?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(murmurs reply)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible) is in a battle with the uh, Spanish Sahara. (pause) Algeria\u2019s trying to free the Spanish Sahara. Lot of oil there. And they were getting nowhere. United States of course\u2013 Who\u2019s backing Morocco? Morocco\u2019s one of the few fascist countries left, it\u2019s backed by USA, of course. And Algeria, the People\u2019s Socialist Democracy, is being backed again by the Soviet Union. And uh, (short laugh) Algeria\u2019s did a wisecrack, a wise thing today, they got Spain<\/i> all shook up, who\u2019s been holding onto the Spanish Sahara. They said, give her up, or we\u2019ll bring in the\u2013 then they\u2019re bringing in the Canary Island\u2013 the main broadcasting station and beaming in radio uh, transmissions to the Canary Islands, telling them to revolt and burn down Spanish government buildings and everything else, and so Canary\u2013 the little Canary Islands, just a few dots in the Atlantic Ocean, have a revolutionary red brigade, and they\u2019re settin\u2019 fire and raisin\u2019 all kind of hell, and US said they\u2019re gonna have to do something about this, but Algeria said, go fuck themselves, in so many words, because they want to free the Spanish Sa\u2013 the Spanish Sahara region that\u2019s under a terrible bondage, and Spain needs a little peace up in their Canary Islands, so there\u2019s some thought that there may be concessions me\u2013 made there, and at least some of the political hostages that are being held by the Spanish dictatorship, which has been moderated a little<\/i> bit, but still is a fascist military\u2013 Who was the founder of fascism in Spain?<\/p>\n

Solitary response:\u00a0<\/b>[Francisco] Franco.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Generalissimo Franco. Finally died, the son-of-a-bitch. But there\u2019s so much in Africa that can stir up any second, and United States is\u2013 have enough trouble now, it can\u2019t make it. What the hell\u2019s gonna happen when it loses its cheap labor for the chrome and platinum and the rubber and gold in South Africa? What the hell\u2019s gonna happen? We\u2019re workin\u2019 there\u2013 we\u2019re workin\u2019 those people for 16, 21 cents a day, 21 cents an hour, and they throw the yoke of oppression off. And now we can\u2019t make it go with our present economy as it is<\/i>. So when we lose all<\/i> of our poor slaves across the world and they arouse, their emancipation comes, arise ye prisoners of starvation<\/i>, arise ye wretched<\/i> of the earth, you have nothing to lose<\/i> but your chains<\/i>! And they\u2019ve heard that cry and they\u2019re keeping on and persisting, by God. Namibia, Namibia is promised independence, if you can show Namibia, I don\u2019t know whether uh, Comrade Christian marked it off. It\u2019s just the upper part of Union of South Africa, over\u2013 over to the east, the\u2013 the west coast, right to the west coast, you\u2013 the west coast\u2013 right\u2013 right down in that area. That\u2019s Namibia, Namibia. And the\u2013 South Africa thought they were gonna control<\/i> that little province and put in a puppet prime minister and he got\u2013 got assassinated<\/i> by the people today. I mean, uh, last\u2013 two weeks ago. So they put another one in and he got assassinated today.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And the news this afternoon said they couldn\u2019t get no takers to take the job! Nobody wanted the job. (short laugh) So Namibia is gonna be free. Angola, right above it. That was where Cuba and Ru\u2013 Russia piled supplies in and United States threatened nuclear war, but I guess they wanted to eat a few more McDonald\u2019s hamburgers, they didn\u2019t carry it out and Angola\u2019s free. Zaire\u2019s in trouble, US trying to hold it together, but Zaire\u2019s in trouble. That\u2019s the other main fascist hold of US, is right there in the Belgian Congo. That\u2019s where the famed Patrice Lumumba, that Marthea [Hicks] was singing about, that\u2019s where he was drug for miles. He was drug to death, killed by fascist reactionaries. And University of Moscow\u2019s most famous<\/i> university is named Un\u2013 University of Patrice Lumumba. Great African leader. The good die young, but his\u2013 his mark is felt there indelibly, because Zaire, Prime Minister Mobutu [Sese Seko], the dictator Mub\u2013 is having one hell of a time holding Zaire together. All<\/i> of Africa is aflame with liber\u2013 with liberation. And Africa has got so<\/i> many essential minerals to the US keeping its standard of living, they\u2019re in trouble<\/i>, real trouble, and I\u2019m glad they\u2019re in trouble. And the more they\u2019re in trouble, the more I can get our people out of there, while they\u2019re fightin\u2019 over other issues. The US is in so<\/i> much nervousness about any kind of cooperative existing. Old uh, Delancey Street and whatever that Maher [John Maher, co-founder of Delancey Street Foundation<\/a>] is, tryin\u2019 to kiss ass, his brother on the board of education has gone against the, uh\u2013 they\u2013 they fired all the black administrators, by the way. Re\u2013 Replaced every black teacher, the housing\u2013 the housing department that I was chairman, Willy Usary\u2013 Usary, who used to hate me, said, \u201cI wish Jim Jones was back,\u201d he told Vera Young, \u201cI wish he was back\u201d\u2013 Every black person has been removed from any supervisoral position in housing, and every black employee<\/i> in San Francisco housing department is being replaced. Deplaced, re\u2013 uh, redeployed. And Will Usary was cryin\u2019 on Vera\u2019s uh\u2013 he said \u201cOur differences were not too much when I think of the fact that he was chairman,\u201d the vote went \u2013 my vote \u2013 when I had to resign to save you, the man that took it, good old Uncle Tom Anderson voted against \u2018em, went with the majority. And so the board of education, some of the people they thought were liberals they put in, going with the system, in the firing of some 59 black prin\u2013 ten\u2013 teachers and uh, our good friend, I always think of her by her clode\u2013 code name, Yvonne Golden, she\u2019s very ill by the way, she has a very, very dangerous blood clot in her leg, and uh, they\u2019ve been marching around, tryin\u2019 to get some demonstrations, but it\u2013 it\u2019s a waste of time, Yvonne Golden\u2019ll wake up one day, it\u2019s a waste of time<\/i>. They not gonna do a goddamn thing about it. And uh, good old uh\u2013 this new black Tom that\u2019s in the town, that\u2019s taken over Third Baptist, I don\u2019t know, uh, Rev\u2013 Reverend Brown, yeah, Amos Brown is taking over and just uh, he\u2019s utterly decimating the NAACP. And they had a black man that was supposed to be the sheriff, what\u2019s our man that we supported?<\/p>\n

Male 3<\/b>:\u00a0(unintelligible about Richard Hongisto)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, no, no, they\u2013 no, they was gonna put the man that was uh, we thought, all the one we thought, Rod Williams\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 3:\u00a0<\/b>Rodney Williams.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Rodney Williams. He was gonna make it, and who cut him down? Who cut him down? Amos Brown. Cut his ass down and they put a Tom in who\u2019s kiss-assin\u2019 already. (Pause) Well, they put him in and he\u2019s uh, uh, and he\u2019s kiss-assin\u2019 already. And they said there\u2013 there\u2019s a lot of brutality charges against the San Francisco Sheriff\u2019s Department, and that\u2019s just one city. I\u2019m just talkin\u2019 about the city we came from. And I haven\u2019t began to tell you it all. Will Battle stopped and talked about the police brutality in the San Francisco Police. He sad, \u201cWhen are you people comin\u2019 back?\u201d (unintelligible word) when are we gonna come back. They didn\u2019t\u2013 They didn\u2019t worry about helpin\u2019 us while we were there<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And uh, Thad\u2013 what\u2019s the man that was with tax collector?<\/p>\n

Male 4:\u00a0<\/b>Brown, Thad Brown.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thad Brown? Oh good, let\u2019s get nervous now \u2018cause they passed him up. He, he (stumbles over words) he had uh, 21,000 petition to get him appointed the\u2013 on the University Regent Board. And Brown didn\u2019t even mention him as a candidate. Governor [Jerry] Brown didn\u2019t even mention him. [San Francisco Chronicle columnist] Herb Caen said, uh, \u201cWhat happened to Goodlett [Carlton Goodlett, San Francisco physician, newspaper publisher]? His name was passed over. Does he not exist<\/i>?\u201d Hell no, he doesn\u2019t exist, he\u2019s black, so now they\u2019re\u2013 Goodlett\u2019s calling for a campaign<\/i> to save Thad Brown\u2019s job. Now they\u2019re gettin\u2019 a little<\/i> bit of concerned, but no\u2013 Goodlett didn\u2019t call for no campaign to save Peoples Temple when it was about to go down. But his ass gettin\u2019 a little nervous now, \u2018cause Thad Brown, the most popular, the most powerful black leader in San Francisco, got the most votes, has been indicted<\/i>, (pause) and charged with whatever kind of felony it is, for stealing money out of parking<\/i> meters. Now that seems a little strange, that the tax collector\u2019d be takin\u2019 money out of parking<\/i> meters and puttin\u2019 it in his pocket. Yeah, that\u2019s right, that\u2019s what they accused him of. The money from the parking meters is ending up in his pocket. That\u2019s San Francisco. And now listen to the news \u2018cause you don\u2019t even listen to the news when you\u2019re here<\/i>, goddamn it. I don\u2019t know what to do<\/i> with you. You don\u2019t even listen while you\u2019re in here<\/i> under the roof. Now you better know this, \u2018cause your teacher\u2019s takin\u2019 these notes down. There\u2019s no excuse for not knowin\u2019 this, \u2018cause it\u2019s what you call a captive crowd. So you should know the new\u2013 news that I\u2019ve been talking<\/i> about. And we have\u2013 we\u2019re having a lot of black leaders, various gangs, various organizations, various unions are being shot. It\u2019s uh\u2013 It\u2019s a pattern, about one a week, are being shot. Pretty good evidence that there\u2019s a conspiracy. (Pause) And we\u2019re getting too hot to handle, Goodlett had his editors say, \u201cWell, we can\u2019t cover as much of your news as we did.\u201d (Pause) He was the communist, Goodlett was the communist. But he\u2019ll\u2013 he still wants my friendship. He wants to be able to visit us in July. Well, we\u2019ll see. We may put him in a\u2013 (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Our guest house is now taken, both guest houses, but we\u2019ll see what by\u2013 by July, maybe it will be vacant for seven days. Fuck these people, I\u2019m sick of these people.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(murmurs assent)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift please.<\/p>\n

Lee Ingram:<\/b> (Unintelligible) Dad, could you talk a little bit about uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I know a guy here, a little guy here. Thank you\u2013 and I\u2019ll come back to you, Lee\u2013 lu, a little guy here who wanted to talk to me. Did you want to say something?<\/p>\n

Young man<\/b>:\u00a0<\/b>Dad, I had a question about um\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Big guy, not little guy.<\/p>\n

Young man:\u00a0<\/b>I had a question about [Josef] Stalin. Because before, when I was reading in the book about [Vladimir Ilich] Lenin, they had Stalin and [Leon] Trotsky, it said Stalin and Trotsky was enemies, but they were both in\u2013 in the office, you know, with\u2013 alongside with Lenin. And then they said that they were\u2013 Lenin and Stalin were tryin\u2019 to um, get Stalin out of office. (pause) That\u2019s what Stalin had thought when he was in\u2013 that\u2019s what was wrote in the book about it, so to get even with uh, Lenin, he had made a um, attack on his wife by sayin\u2019 that she had\u2013 \u2018cause he was sick and had stroke\u2013 had a stroke and he wasn\u2019t supposed to get any political information or anything, um\u2013 he jumped on his wife and said that she had given him political information and started cussing her and stuff over the phone and then later on, she had wrote a letter to another official about it sayin\u2019 that she shouldn\u2019t be harassed about her personal life, and then later on, Lenin had wrote something in his um, testament, his last testament, that um, Stalin shouldn\u2019t be uh, general secretary of the party because he\u2019s too rude to people. Then\u2013 but it was never um, sent off to the, to the um, congress where they (unintelligible) put people in office and took \u2018em out. But then later on in the book it said that Stalin, if um, Lenin wouldna died, if Lenin woulda lived ten years longer, that Stalin woulda either had to um, shoot\u2013 shoot Lenin or just stay under him.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I see, you\u2019re a marvelous reader, and this is why we got to get Soviet literature in our\u2013 in our\u2013 in our libraries, and something for you to read. If he has a visual problem, and for him to press and read, there\u2019s no excuse for you not<\/i> doing it, \u2018cause he has real difficulty, like\u2013 like his dad<\/i>. He had difficulty seeing<\/i> anything close up to him, and to be able to see the book, and he\u2019s read so well. But unfortunately, you have done\u2013 undoubtedly read an American text and it\u2019s good that you brought this\u2013 the issue up. Stalin would have never shot Lenin. I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t believe that. I don\u2019t\u2013 I think there\u2019s power struggles, but I don\u2019t think we could possibly get the historical sense of it from the\u2013 from the USA version. The USSR does not subscribe to this. They\u2013 they do say there was attempts on Lenin\u2019s life, but it was not by Stalin. Stalin and Trotsky did have their differences. What was the difference? What\u2013 what\u2013 can someone tell is the major difference that Trotsky and Stalin<\/i> had? (pause) Yes, [Robert] Rankin. Real loud.<\/p>\n

Rankin:<\/b> Trotsky\u2013 um\u2013 Trotsky wanted to\u2013 to take the\u2013 the revolution outside of Russia before the uh, Russia had secured their own bases (unintelligible)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He\u2019s internationalist\u2013 he believed the international revolution, inspiring worldwide revolution at one time, and Stalin said that was impractical. If he did so, the reactionaries, the capitalists, would come down on Russia and there would be no base for<\/i> the international. Who do you think was right?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(murmurs) Stalin.<\/p>\n

Richard Tropp:<\/b> Proved right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Proved right, yes. Because the Soviet Union now has\u2013 that\u2019s a good point, Dick. The Soviet Union now has better than half the world population in its influence, for liberation, and if Trotsky had done his uh, rather idealistic dreaming, which is idealistic, indeed. To start revolutions, though, unless you\u2019ve got your ass secured, what would\u2013 that\u2019d be like us going down to Port Kaituma and takin\u2019 it over tonight. I think it would be a little premature. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(murmurs) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> When you go down to Port Kaituma, though, in a couple of weeks, I think, couple or three weeks, I think we ought to try to get another program, change a little program, a little style, go back and get another program. Maybe uh\u2013 or call them out here, whatever. Uh, I think it\u2019s probably better to go there, maybe take them some\u2013 some treats, and see what we can do to maybe make a little money for the party, a little money for us, see this time have a n\u2013 nominal<\/i> charge\u2013 That way, we\u2019ll take it over through education<\/i> (pause) and integration. Wake up now, wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up. You\u2019re supposed to all be smiling here.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(murmurs) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If I were\u2013 if I were being severe, you would<\/i> be. But you see, you\u2019re taking it easy because I\u2019m being nice, like I am. I love you and I don\u2019t like to raise my voice with you. But don\u2019t take advantage of this\u2013 this period because then we have to get tough again, and I hate toughness. But we can get tough. (pause) You\u2019d think we\u2019d be crazy<\/i>, wouldn\u2019t we, if we went down with our guns and took over Port Kaituma tonight?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(murmurs) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(louder) That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The USA uh, ah, wouldn\u2019t accomplish anything, as Stephan [Jones] said, and the USA would interfere. We\u2019d give them everything they want. Say \u201cThere they are, exporting revolution. A bunch of goddamn revolutionaries, they\u2019re gonna start communism all over the country.\u201d \u2018Course they know we\u2019re gonna do that anyway, that\u2019s why they\u2019re bitin\u2019 at their ass. But we\u2019re givin\u2019 them no proof<\/i>. We\u2019re providing no proof at all and we\u2019re playing it carefully<\/i>. That\u2019s the end justifies what?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/b>: The means.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Being pragmatic, being careful. I don\u2019t believe all those fictionalized stories, son, but it\u2019s good for you to read everything like you\u2019re doing, it\u2019s very good for you to read everything, but we need to get them, guide them in the library\u2013 the library needs to guide them towards some Soviet sources, and we need to call wha\u2013 uh, tomorrow<\/i> and tell them to get that Soviet literature out on that boat<\/i>, so that these kids can get some history<\/i> that\u2019s not filled with the poison pen of capitalism<\/i>, tryin\u2019 to make everything look that there\u2019s no\u2013 no uh, principles in anybody and everybody is a capitalist at heart, lookin\u2019 after power<\/i>. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s so. I think that Soviet Union has proven in their free medicine, their free education, their tremendous, the most compassionate counseling program for marriage, uh, and domestic difficulties, family difficulties in every<\/i> little city and village. Their world peace program, their humane kind of bombs they\u2019ve made, only in self-defense. What shows the Soviet Union is humanitarian? What\u2019s\u2013 what\u2019s\u2013 Give me an example of the Soviet Union\u2019s humanitarian uh, pattern in its warfare.<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> The military\u2013 uh, the military spends a lot of time uh, during their tour of duty uh, working in hospitals.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes. Over half\u2013 Over half their military spends time helping their people. But\u2013 now you take\u2013 the United States has been able to build only, at the best<\/i>, a working 40 megaton nuclear weapon. A 40 megaton nuclear weapon, hi\u2013 high over the uh, let\u2019s say 2000\u2013 3000 feet over Bakersfield, will burn up Los Angeles. But the Soviet Union have made a hundred<\/i> megaton. Well, what\u2019s the difference between the Soviet Union\u2019s? It shows humanitarian again. Yes. Can you tell us?<\/p>\n

Male 5:\u00a0<\/b>They probably refuse to use it.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, more than that. They have to have it prepared to use, \u2018cause you\u2019d be dealin\u2019 with vicious capitalist pigs. They\u2019ve encased it with lead, and brought its potency down to 60 megaton. They\u2019ve encased it so there will be little fallout with it, as little fallout as possible. As little radiation to damage human life. Soviet Union doesn\u2019t make a neutron bomb. Who makes it?<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/b>: (murmurs) US.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>US makes a neutron bomb. The Soviet Union has never made napalm. That\u2019s jelly that falls on people and the skin just slides off their body, like it was in Vietnam. You can tell<\/i> the humanitarians. You can tell<\/i> that socialism is effectual and honest in the Soviet Union by the kind of thing uh\u2013 the things that uh, Lee said. The army does peace work, the army does humanitarian work. Their kind of bombs, their military weapons, are humane<\/i>. US makes dirty weapons, dirtiest bombs there are. That shows that they\u2019re vicious<\/i> at heart. And shows the superiority<\/i> of our spiritual motherland the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR<\/i>. Now everybody should know that here tonight. And we should pound on these<\/i> fundamentals that I\u2019m bringing in the class, because we move too fast from news to news, they don\u2019t capture any of it.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)\u00a0(Long pause)<\/p>\n

Male 6:\u00a0<\/b>(unintelligible) at least (unintelligible word)?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Le Flora Townes is needed. Nat Swaney, Francine Howland\u2013 Hallman, and Claudia Bouquet, Pam Bradshaw, and Inez Conedy, I told \u2018em how to do that. They come in here in the order that I told them. They come in here and wave their hand like they\u2019re supposed to, they\u2019re supposed to go, but you all go out at the same time now, so we can get this done. Okay, quickly. Uh\u2013\u00a0When you come back, you\u2019ll wave your hands. Shift please, again, for just a little bit. (louder) We need the education!<\/p>\n

Crowd<\/b>: (murmurs assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Drinks) (Voice rises) <\/b>You ought to study those maps like you used to study your Bible<\/i>. You\u2013 you\u2013 you studied about pearly gates, and ain\u2019t no fucker but a drunk ever saw a pearly gate when he was hallucinatin\u2019 in the last stages of DDT. There ain\u2019t no pearly gates, and you dumb-assed fuckers, some of you, sit out there and you\u2013<\/p>\n

Side B<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(calls out) \u2013Union! Mother Russia! Mother Russia! The vanguard of Marxist-Leninism. It\u2019s real, and some of you people settin\u2019 down on your lazy ass, you used to rise when they\u2019d talk about heaven. You\u2019d rise, you\u2019d rise to your feet, you stand up and you\u2019d wave your hand, talk about heaven. And you never saw no goddamn heaven, \u2018cause no goddamn heaven ever existed.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And you make me tired, you motherfuckers.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Calms) Used to dance up and down the aisles, when we\u2019d talk about bullshit. And I don\u2019t see you dance tonight when they talk about \u201cAnybody see my old friend Patrice Lumumba?,\u201d somebody shoulda been cryin\u2019 out in the aisle. (low tone) Uh-huh [Yes].<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shoulda been a moving of the spirit<\/i> of enthusiasm<\/i> that used to move you when you danced about nothin\u2019<\/i> and sang about bullshit<\/i>. Talk about goin\u2019 away over yonder. In those days, you\u2019re talkin\u2019 about some heaven nobody ever ever<\/i> saw. But Africa\u2019s real<\/i>! Russia\u2019s real<\/i>! Guyana\u2019s real<\/i>! Up there! We know it\u2019s real, we\u2019re settin\u2019 in it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Calls of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And you can\u2013 I\u2019m sure glad I didn\u2019t take our money and wait on heaven, \u2018cause we sure as hell never got there.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right. (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes, yes\u2013 And you know what I wanta tell you? Some of you\u2019da liked me better, if I\u2019da drove around in Cadillacs and limousines and kept on healin,\u2019 tellin\u2019 you a little few sweet niceties about (full throat) bye and bye<\/i>. When we get over, gonna see Jesus! Gonna meet his sweet face!<\/i> Halleluiah! He\u2019s gonna open up his arms<\/i> and receive us into his own<\/i>. (Calms) You\u2019da been following me, you\u2019da been into it, you\u2019da been thrilled and I coulda lived in a mansion,<\/i> and you\u2019da like me better<\/i>, you\u2019da liked me better because that\u2013 all<\/i> the hell I\u2019ve gone through, all<\/i> the sacrifice<\/i> I\u2019ve gone through, you hate<\/i> me because I make you face the truth.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And not a soul hardly, but a couple or three (stumbles over words) fried chicken goes out, four thousand now, probably five<\/i> hundred dollars to get one meal. (Calmly) There\u2019re a few people that come by and say, \u201cThank you Dad for payin\u2019 four thousand five hundred dollars. Thank you for the times you gave your body, thank you for the time you went through hell to get that money, because it didn\u2019t come through offerings.\u201d<\/p>\n

Male 7:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thank you<\/i> for all that you did. No, they don\u2019t do it. See, in the aisle, they\u2019ll complain because it was not fr\u2013 uh, the skin was too thick.<\/p>\n

Male 7:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Uh, huh. Not grateful<\/i>!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And you stood\u2013 stood when\u2013 in the first days of Benjamin Franklin, and run up and down the aisles, honey, you run up and down the aisles! Didn\u2019t even know where in the hell you were goin\u2019. I<\/i> knew where you were goin\u2019. It\u2019s a good thing I did, \u2019cause you sure as hell didn\u2019t know where you<\/i> were going. If I hadn\u2019t been honest, I\u2019d be the richest man in San Francisco tonight.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh yes, I would. \u2018Cause I coulda taken all that money for your fried chicken and all your airplane fares, and I could put it in my<\/i> pocket.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Look at \u2018em settin\u2019 out there, don\u2019t even listen to a goddamn thing you say.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s pitiful. Breaks my heart. Not for me, because I\u2019m used to it, but the next person comin\u2019 along that makes a sacrifice, the youth following up, I hope you appreciate what they do for you. Really do. I hope you\u2019ll appreciate reality<\/i> from bullshit. Some of you, you\u2019d ra\u2013 you\u2019d rather have bullshit if it cost you. Livin\u2019 in some goddamn old rat infested joint, you had the few little knickknacks. Somebody said the other day, said, \u201cI didn\u2019t know\u2013 I didn\u2019t like it because I had to give up my little clock I had from my grandmother.\u201d (Voice rises) Honey, you probably woulda given it up by now, because some sonovabitch woulda broke in your house, set it afire, burned your ass alive or mugged you in the street, and you wouldna got to enjoy your li\u2013 grandma\u2019s watch.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I read you news today, came right over the wire, that the goddamn Philadelphia police set fire to Puerto Rican apartment building and black apartment building, and burned people alive, (voice lowers) and you set here worryin\u2019 about the little knickknacks you gave up. You give \u2018em up when you go die! Or when somebody knocks you down in the street<\/i>, when some racist shoots you or sets fire to your house<\/i> and you get burned up<\/i>, Honey, your grandma\u2019s watch\u2019ll go with<\/i> you. Ain\u2019t never seen nobody take their grandma\u2019s watch to the graveyard. And if you did<\/i>, you didn\u2019t hear it tick, as the maggots ate on your skin. Mmmmmmm. [Imitates satisfied diner]<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Some of\u2013 a lot of you sit here and complain, you\u2019da been dead if you\u2019da stayed there.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>When you think about eleven people\u2013 the last I remember, eleven people have had accidents and been killed<\/i> in the church because they didn\u2019t come here. Eleven folks<\/i>, wiped out on the highways. Not talkin\u2019 about other things, just wiped out on the highways. People crippled. One woman ha\u2013 settin\u2019 in a cri\u2013 wheelchair for the rest of her days \u2013 Reynolds \u2013 gonna be settin\u2019 in the wh\u2013 wheelchair for the rest<\/i> of her days, paralyzed from the waist down. She coulda been over here\u2013 If you\u2019d been\u2013 if you were in<\/i> that wheelchair, then you\u2019d understand it. But somehow you think you never woulda got run over by a bus. Hell, some of you can\u2019t hardly move now<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice rises) If you had to get outta the way of a streetcar, your ass would<\/i> be grass. That\u2019s true<\/i>. You move mighty slow, and San Francisco don\u2019t wait for old people. San Francisco don\u2019t wait for poor people. San Francisco don\u2019t care \u2018bout seniors. You get on that bus or they\u2019ll push<\/i> you in or push you out and let you break your hip. (Calms) No, don\u2019t say it doesn\u2019t happen, \u2018cause we\u2019ve had all kinds of indications and evidences it happened here. Lela Murphy complained about what she gave up back there, and I remember Lela Murphy gettin\u2019 mugged three<\/i> times in San Francisco. Three<\/i> times they\u2013 they mugged that old lady. She\u2019d always talk about what she gave up in San Francisco. She had medical care, constant care, all the thing\u2013 everybody could possibly look at her. We made a mistake reportin\u2019 her dead. (Drinks) We coulda kept her alive for two<\/i> years (pause) if you know what I mean.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (chuckles) (Calls out) I think that that\u2019s a parable! Glory to God<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We coulda kept her alive,<\/i> and her check woulda kept comin\u2019 in. And she woulda<\/i> (draws out word) signed it in the name of the Lord<\/i>!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thank you, Jesus<\/i>! That\u2019s the power of a mighty God<\/i>!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(tone moderates) You know better\u2013 the only\u2013 you wanna get caught in it, your heart wants to get in it, but you\u2019re afraid, you\u2019re afraid you\u2019ll go on the Learning Crew.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I know you, I know you, you got\u2013 (Calls out) you been brainwashed too long<\/i>! You got that thing in you<\/i>! You wanna escape<\/i>\u2013 anything, just so it sounds like a cry in the night that don\u2019t mean shit!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And you listen to those cries and you (cries out) jump up and down<\/i> and you weep<\/i> and you wail<\/i> and you moan<\/i> and you groan<\/i> and you shout<\/i> \u201cGlory to God!\u201d<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Didn\u2019t know a damned thing anybody was sayin,\u2019 just moanin\u2019<\/i> and groanin\u2019<\/i> like some old dyin\u2019<\/i> moose or some old dyin\u2019<\/i> bull and you (calls out) \u201cAah, glory to God!\u201d<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Female 3:<\/b> \u2013takin\u2019 money out of your pocket.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(voice calms) Yeah, takin\u2019 your money outta your pocket while you were shimmyin\u2019 and shinin\u2019 down the aisle. While you were shakin\u2019 and rattlin\u2019, all he was doin\u2019 makin\u2019 a fool. The fat ass never did a lick\u2013 a hour of wo\u2013 Never worried one time, never got you (voice rises) a meal<\/i>. Didn\u2019t worry about one<\/i> chicken meal, much less chicken meals every week, not one meal<\/i> did he hafta worry about. (voice fluctuates) All he worried about was gettin\u2019 you in that pulpit and gettin\u2019 you all worked up so you\u2019d put the money in so he could ride home<\/i> in his Cadillac that night with the money in his trunk.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Calls and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Responses and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Calms) In the name of the good<\/i> Lord, if I see another Lela, I\u2019m gonna (Calls out) resurrect her<\/i>! And keep<\/i> her by my power<\/i> and by my spirit<\/i>! You hear me, Reb [James Edwards]? I\u2019m gonna keep her by my spirit! Gonna move her hand even though she\u2019s in the grave!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hallelujah<\/i>!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Cook her ass in the meantime<\/i>!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You don\u2019t (draws out word) understand, but we do, glory to God!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ain\u2019t gonna make that mistake twice. (Pause) (Calm) Be good, and you won\u2019t have to get resurrected.<\/p>\n

Male 8:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mm-hmm [Yes]. (pause)\u00a0(Calls out) Thank you, Jesus! (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Some folk don\u2019t know whether to shit or go blind right now.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019s the next question? Lew Jones Junior?<\/p>\n

Young man:<\/b> Dad\u2013 Dad, I would like to know why come [U.S. President Jimmy] Carter um, put a hold on the bombs that they\u2019re makin\u2019 in USA?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Whaddya say, sweetie?<\/p>\n

Young man:<\/b> Why did they put a ho\u2013 hold on the bombs that they makin\u2019 in U\u2013 Carter put a hold on the bombs that they\u2019re makin\u2019\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ah, it\u2019s a good question. And you reminded me of the most important news. That\u2019s sweet. The USSR announced tonight that Carter\u2019s made a maneuver hopin\u2019 that the world opinion will die down, and they\u2019re gonna slip the\u2013 make the bomb probably in the summer. USSR said they not gonna get by<\/i> with that shit. Said they\u2019re not going to negotiate on any other thing until they make a contract<\/i> agreement, USSR\u2019s prime minister said, [Leonid] Brezhnev, they do not trust USA, and they said unless they put it in black and white that they will make no neutron bombs, the Soviets gonna start making a Super Duper weapon, (pause) next week sometime, gonna put it into production. Said we know Carter, we don\u2019t trust him, we don\u2019t trust none of the United States. That\u2019s bad too, it\u2019s a bad situation. But he said, the\u2013 That\u2019s a good ans\u2013 that\u2019s a good question. He said he\u2019s not<\/i> sincere. If he was sincere<\/i>, he will sign the genocide treaty, he\u2019ll sign it, there\u2019ll be no murder of any racial minorities or masses of people. He\u2019ll sign<\/i> and seal<\/i> it with a government contract. He\u2019ll make it real, he\u2019ll make it real by signing the deal, never make a neutron bomb. That\u2019s what they want, and they said otherwise they\u2013 he can go fuck himself too. Said they\u2019re gonna make theirs. They don\u2019t trust Carter\u2019s word. I don\u2019t blame \u2018em. (Pause) Don\u2019t take their word. Make \u2018em put it in black and white.<\/p>\n

Female 4:\u00a0<\/b>And Dad, I wanted to know, when true communism is reached, uh, when the third world\u2013 in the third world, won\u2019t\u2013 won\u2019t the monetary system be completely abolished?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Long way from the monetary system being abolished, but ideally when you have communism, you don\u2019t need<\/i> a monetary system, no more than we do here. What do you need money<\/i> for? You can\u2019t buy<\/i> nothin\u2019. When you go to\u2013 When you go to the meal, you get the same meal. You can get as much\u2013 I see your plate\u2019s heapin\u2019 with uh, with the go\u2013 the meat, the pork and the gravy and the rice tonight. Heapin\u2019 up. Nobody had to pay<\/i> for it. Ain\u2019t no Coca-Cola machine, thank goodness, \u2018cause Coca-Cola is also making napalm bombs to drop on little children in Africa<\/i>, so I\u2019m<\/i> glad that we\u2019re not buying Coca-Cola. We may make our own in a little while, though, we\u2019re trying to\u2013 we got someone in there looking at the soda, uh, soda. (speaks to a child) We made peanut butter today. (Softly) Gooood!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Softly) Heyyyyy!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Softly) Heyyyyy!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mm\u2013 What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Light applause continues)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019s that, sweetiepie? That\u2019s peanut butter, huh? Our own? My, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my. Yep. (pause) Yep, it smell like peanut butter!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Pause) Our own peanut butter. (pause) It tastes<\/i> like peanut butter.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Calls out) Mine eyes have beheld it, the glory of his coming! Hallelujah! Peanut butter! Thank you, Jesus!!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Ecstatic cry)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter and talking)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Calls out) And you know, it bothers some of you folk out there still got a little religion, but it sounds the same my\u2013 kind of bullshit when you thought it was real.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Responds)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>My grandson\u2019s [Chaeok Warren Jones] looked at me like he thinks I\u2019ve lost it all.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Chaeok Number Two says, (affects Asian accent) \u201cI\u2019m goin\u2019 back to Asia.\u201d Say, \u201cI\u2019m getting\u2019 outta this shit right now.\u201d (Laughs) I\u2019m all right, Chaeok, I haven\u2019t lost my mind. Just makin\u2019 fun of some of these old religious kooks out there that they still say\u2013still worship Jesus and mumble about the Bible. They won\u2019t go up there and find out where Africa is, but they wonder why\u2013\u2013 where heaven is. (shouts) City Foursquare.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Unintelligible word) (Laughs) Oh, look at this kid look\u2013 (Laughs) This kiddie, he says, \u201cToo much for me.\u201d Chaeok Number Two<\/i>. (Pause) Now, if you want to know what your grandchild is gonna to look at\u2013 look like, look. \u2018Cause you put white together and you put Lew together, and that\u2019s what come.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Mild laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Look just like Lew. Got a pretty\u2013 he got a pretty wife [Terry Carter Jones] and she\u2019s very white, (Imitates Asian accent) but you don\u2019t see her. All you know is you see Lew.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>So we got three<\/i> of them in this place and we\u2019re in trouble.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Mild laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Gonna take over the whole damned place, there not gonna be no more race problem. Three more generations, there won\u2019t be<\/i> no problem.<\/p>\n

Male 12:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) Right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Won\u2019t be able to talk about color, \u2018cause there won\u2019t be\u2013 then we got the (unintelligible word), got my two grandchildren [Marchelle Jacole Jones and Monyelle Maylene Jones], Johnny\u2019s [Johnny Jones, aka Johnny Moss Brown, Jr.] and Ava\u2019s [Ava Phenice Jones, aka Ava Cobb, Ava Brown], Tim\u2019s [Timothy Glenn Tupper Jones] and Sandy\u2019s [Sandra Yvette Cobb, aka Sandy Jones], and uh\u2013 they\u2013 they\u2013 they\u2019re Asian, they\u2019re Asian, those children are part Asian. And you can see it in their eyes. They ain\u2019t got but a little bit<\/i>, but it come through<\/i>, honey.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Mild laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And all<\/i> of it come through here, I don\u2019t know. He just passed through Terry on his way.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Imitates Asian accent) How ya doing, Chaoek Number Two. (pause) That\u2019s what we\u2019re talking about. We\u2019ll get a little education. Genetic superiority. The Asians have uh, the\u2013 the whites think they\u2019re so big shit, they may mix a white and it\u2019ll come out lighter, with black, but you mix anything with (Imitates Asian accent) this, and it comes out that.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It gonna come out dat! (Laughs) Look at him watchin\u2019 me, just \u2018cause you\u2019re gonna take over the world, don\u2019t give me none of that shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) Well, take a lo\u2013 Take a look at his face. Well, what\u2013 what next? Everybody behaving yourself?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Have you got the victory?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) How many will speak in tongues to get off the Learning Crew? (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Mild laughter and murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t know. Hmph. You guys\u2013 you think you can do it? (Pause) You have to start a church, you better\u2013 Joe<\/i>? What are you doing in the Learning Crew?<\/p>\n

Young adults:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Smack ass in the middle of it.<\/p>\n

Young adults:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>How did you get<\/i> there, Joe?<\/p>\n

Male 10<\/b>: Conspiracy.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughing) Whadja do, Joe?<\/p>\n

Joe:\u00a0<\/b>Violence.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Violence<\/i>? Against whom?<\/p>\n

Joe:\u00a0<\/b>Derek [Walker], Chris, all of them.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And you guys have to set together\u2013 each other. Was it worth it?<\/p>\n

Joe:\u00a0<\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hmm-mm [No]. Here you are (unintelligible word) violence, and you\u2019re setting together in the Learning Crew. (laughs) Looking for each other for support. (laughs) Have you\u2013 How does it\u2013 How\u2019s it feel in your soul<\/i> tonight? You feel good in your soul<\/i>?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You guys put on a little religious folk\u2013 I\u2013 I want some of these religious folk back here to see this spirit. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Where\u2019s Tim Night [Timothy Borl Jones], where is Tim Night?<\/p>\n

Young adults:<\/b> (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Tim Night! (Shouts) I\u2013 I hear the voice of the Lord callin\u2019! (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mighty God, (cries out) Mighty God!! Oh, thank you, Jesus!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs and shouts)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>None of you want\u2013 (pause) Tim, where\u2019s Tim (unintelligible word, sounds like \u201cStoen\u201d, probably means \u201cJones\u201d)?<\/p>\n

Male 11:\u00a0<\/b>Somebody going to get him.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I need my son Tim too, I need to\u2013 (pause) Tell him to come here. (Pause) You\u2019re a cute<\/i> kid. A house full of cute<\/i> kids. Any question? Any question? (Pause) Sometimes we hafta have meetings, gotta know<\/i> each other, gotta know how we think<\/i>. People gonna get extra food, is Ruthie Quinn, un, more candy tomorrow, Ben Barrett, Janet Lynds, Christie Smith, Mellonie Kemp, Harold Jones, Lew Jones Jr., Alfreda March, Marcus Anderson, Vern Gosney, Tinetra Johnson, Retha Merrill, Kim Fye, Doug Sanders, Eric Baker, Tom Bogue, Odessa Buckley, Chris Newell, Juanita Bogue \u2013 Don\u2019t give me that, I can\u2019t read it, tell me what\u2019s in it \u2013 Denise Johnson, Marvin Janaro, Linda Arterberry\u2013 Linda Arterberry. Okay\u2013 Rondell Carroll, Theo Williams, Elfreida Kendall, Rosa Jackson, Vernon Smith, these are for good steady workers, Arvella Cole, Carol Young Jones, Ernst\u2013 Ernst\u2013 Ernst<\/i> [Ernest] Thomas. By God, Ernst, he\u2019s getting extra candy here! Bertha Reese, Lenora Perkins, Larry Jones, Ben Robinson, Wesley Breidenbach (tape edit) did a good job at the keeping of the wood when the rest of the crew was away, Barbara Smith, Robert Paul, Aaron Hendricks, Ken\u2013 Kenny Wilhite, Willie Grady, Jerry uh, Ray, Ralph Jackson, Charles Williams, all did a good\u2013 it says \u201cdog\u201d here, but I\u2019m sure it means \u201cdo\u201d\u2013 \u201cjob,\u201d of unloading the tractor from the boat. Haven\u2019t I found the spirit yet moving? It hasn\u2019t arrived yet, huh?<\/p>\n

Male 12:\u00a0<\/b>What about the guys that unloaded the boat?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Huh?<\/p>\n

Male 12:\u00a0<\/b>What about the guys that unloaded the boat? I mean, I wasn\u2019t there\u2013 (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t know anything about that.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Male 12:\u00a0<\/b>Well, I just wanted to say that uh, these two preachers, uh, one preacher told the other one, he says, \u201cI can make your congregation shout off of fat meat.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He can sha\u2013 make the congregation shout what?<\/p>\n

Male 12:\u00a0<\/b>He\u2013 One preacher told the other one, he says, \u201cI can make your congregation shout off of fat meat.\u201d He says, \u201cOh no, you can\u2019t do that.\u201d He says, \u201cI betcha I can make \u2018em shout off of fat meat.\u201d So he takin\u2019 him on and the guy takin\u2019 his text to meet Jesus, and he told him all about the long white robe and the golden slippers and he build him all up there and he kept talkin\u2019 about \u201cGettin\u2019 ready to meet Jesus.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Male 12:\u00a0<\/b>And after he got them all stirred\u2013 all going in\u2013 and he hollered \u201cFat Meat.\u201d And he said \u201cWhoa<\/i>!\u201d<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Male 12:\u00a0<\/b>And then he\u2013 And he rear back and he said \u201cAhhh, fat meat!\u201d And he say, \u201cOh\u2013\u201c<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(giggling) Fat Meat\u2013 (giggling)<\/p>\n

Male 3:\u00a0<\/b>And the ol\u2019 preacher was settin\u2019 up there lookin\u2019 up at him and he got on him\u2013 he sittin\u2019 right side of him and he says \u201cFat Meat! Fat Meat!\u201d right in the preacher\u2019s ear, and they was just fallin\u2019 out and he\u2019s just hollerin\u2019 \u201cFat Meat, Fat Meat.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jack Beam:<\/b> Tell them about the time you preached over there on uh\u2013 in Indianapolis and them people kept sayin\u2019 \u201cAmen\u201d (unintelligible)\u00a0and you said (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I got tired in the Church of God in Christ, he was tellin\u2019 me \u2013 Jack wanted me to mention, I mentioned it to you \u2013 when I was in that meeting and I was tryin\u2019 to get \u2018em aware \u2013 and that\u2019s why I gave up and tried to give you a place to safety \u2013 and I had this Church of Christ\u2013 Church of God convention, they liked me to sing<\/i> \u2013 I could sing in those days \u2013 and they wanted me to preach incidentally to my singing. That didn\u2019t amount to much. And I was preachin\u2019 away and (shouts) amen, amen, amen<\/i>!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ha! (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs) (Calls out) Hey!<\/p>\n

(Commotion goes on for several moments)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Calls out) The Lord is moving. You just don\u2019t understand! (pause) (calms) Anyway, I was talkin\u2019 to those people about civil rights, and they \u201cAmen, Amen, Amen.\u201d I noticed they were covering me over just totally<\/i>, not hearing a word. So I thought, I\u2019ll try<\/i> these sonsabitches. And I said \u201cSatan<\/i> is good! The devil is wonderful<\/i>! Hell is a good pl\u2013\u201c (Calls out) Amen<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Quietly) I kept it up for ten minutes, I kept that shit up for ten minutes. Were you there? Remember that shit? (Emphatic) Ten minutes. Chri\u2013 it\u2019s in the Church of God in Christ convention, and I kept that shit up for ten<\/i> minutes, then I said \u201cYou people ought to feel (draws out word) ashamed of yourself.\u201d They didn\u2019t listen to a thing I was sayin\u2019. I was just shoutin\u2019 out anything, I just shout\u2019 out all kinds of nonsense. (Pause) And they got us into emotionalism<\/i>, religion, emotionalism, jumpin\u2019 up and down, you get into this music, you don\u2019t get the sa\u2013 seriousness of it and the communist purpose behind it, you get into the same thing<\/i>. That\u2019s why you got to have some seriousness<\/i> mixed in with the rhythm, because it\u2019s easy<\/i> to get caught up in emotionalism<\/i> and get diverted<\/i> from your goal. Carried away. Anybody got a question? (unintelligible word) move on. Hmmm?<\/p>\n

Mercer:\u00a0<\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes, Mercer. Comrade [Henry] Mercer. What the hell is goin\u2019 on here? (pause)<\/p>\n

Mercer:\u00a0<\/b>When Carter got back to uh, United States, he\u2013 he stated\u2013 he made a statement that this\u2013 this Christmas, two\u2013 that two stops in South America and the two stops in Africa was a complete success, but when he met Mr. Labasa, uh, the prime minister of uh, Nigeria, Mr. Labasa told him that the African leaders was\u2013 was pride of Russia and the Cuban troops had come to liberate Africa, so all the rest of the leaders in\u2013 in accord with that, and after he told him that, he says, uh, I am in favor of you having a majority rule in South Africa and Rhodesia.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mm-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Mercer:\u00a0<\/b>But he wasn\u2019t favoring\u2013 he wasn\u2019t in favor of Firestone and Rubber company uh, got a 99\u2013 99-year-lease on the property for six cent an acre\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/b>Isn\u2019t that awful. (Low tone) Yeah, yeah. Firestone ri\u2013 tire and rubber, 99 years lease on the black people\u2019s land for six cents an (Calls out) acre<\/i>! That\u2019s what Africa\u2019s tired<\/i> of!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (cries out) Six cents an acre for 99 years<\/i>?!? Six cents an acre where people been treated like dogs all their life?! And 15 million of our people taken from there, and before they got to United States, 12 million of us died in boats! Packed in like mackerel. Long overdue<\/i>! I\u2019m not talkin\u2019 about no Jesus comin\u2019, I\u2019m<\/i> gonna do Jesus\u2019 work. Hallelujah<\/i>!!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Fuck him, let him stay where he is! As I\u2019ve often said, \u201cAnybody been so\u2013 gone so long,\u201d and I wouldn\u2019t be talkin\u2019 about it because I heard some talk at the dining room table about Jesus, I say, \u201cAny mother fucker been gone so long oughta stay<\/i> gone!\u201d<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>All you ever wanted to do when your old man had taken off and left you with the kids\u2013 three months you ready to kill him.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And you\u2019re still standing saying, \u201cComing soon, Sweet Jesus.\u201d And he\u2019s left you two thousand years. That\u2019s a long time to be a deserter. That\u2019s a (draws out word) long time to desert the people\u2013 for two thousand years. It\u2019s two thousand years since the sonavabich was last seen. And you lookin\u2019 for him. I don\u2019t look for nothin\u2019<\/i> gone two thousand years.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2018Cause Reb can tell you he saw Lela day after she was gone and he weren\u2019t lookin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mm-mm-mmmm, no no, mmm-mmm.<\/p>\n

Male 13:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>When you\u2019re gone, better leave<\/i> \u2018em gone.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Any other last few questions (shouts) here<\/i>?<\/p>\n

Male 14:<\/b> Dad uh, I just wanted to say somethin\u2019 \u2018bout the uh, States. Uh, now, uh, it was said that uh, they\u2013 they\u2019re making a, uh, neutron bomb\u2013 But the poin\u2013 the point I wanna make out is uh, the United States sure as hell don\u2019t give a damn, \u2018cause, uh, United States hasn\u2019t got one uh, uh, ear\u2013 earth shelter for the people nowhere.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, no, that\u2019s a good point. Not one underground city. But the Soviet Union has all kinds, and so does Ch\u2013 China<\/i> for that matter, and so does all of the socialist countries of Scandinavia and Europe, but no, not USA, no bomb shelters for people. What the hell they care about people? They\u2019re gonna get the (draws out word) last squeeze outta the buck and then they think they\u2013 I guess\u00ad\u2013 I guess they know they\u2019re gonna get it so\u2013 that\u2019s dangerous too. That shows they don\u2019t even believe in their future. (Pause) They know<\/i> they\u2019re war criminals, and they\u2019re gonna live high and (Pause) take what they want, do what they want, and then just die. \u2018Cause surely they can\u2019t kill off all their wage<\/i> slaves. What they gonna do when they come outta their own<\/i> shelters? They\u2019ll catch \u2018em when they come out. Anybody got any other question?<\/p>\n

Male Youth:\u00a0<\/b>Yes, Dad, uh, I know earlier this week you mentioned that Eldridge Cleaver [Black Panther leader] had uh, joined in with Wallace Deen Muhammad [leader of Nation of Islam]. I just wanted to know if you can elaborate on that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t know how to elaborate on it. It\u2019s a sad state of affairs that Eldridge Cleaver, who wrote Soul on Ice<\/i> has now joined the Iman [Imam]. We change Black Muslims to whatever the world community of Islam in the West<\/i>. I don\u2019t know what the fuck it means. But uh, Eldridge was a Baptist preacher three weeks or four weeks ago, and he went to Washington, they wouldn\u2019t have his ass there, \u2018cause he was still black. All of his sellin\u2019 out, they didn\u2019t\u2013 they didn\u2019t believe in him. Doesn\u2019t make any difference how much you sell out. Some of you people always used to say, \u201cWell, white people never did nothing to me.\u201d \u2018Cause you, honey, you were so blind, you didn\u2019t see what they were doing to you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You could go in and set there and they\u2019d patronize you, and you was a token little gal in the choir, and they didn\u2019t never invite you to their home for no tea and you were settin\u2019 there and you say, \u201cWell they\u2013 they\u2019re nice to me.\u201d Hell<\/i> yes, they\u2019re nice to you. They wanted your voice<\/i>. They wanted to say, \u201cHey, I got wha\u2013 well, you\u2019re nice to black people, we got one Aunt Jane<\/i> singin\u2019 up here in the choir.\u201d But you didn\u2019t get invited to the preacher\u2019s tea.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of agreement)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, no, no, no.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You didn\u2019t know. You said, \u201c(unintelligible word) white folk were nice to me.\u201d You were too stupid<\/i> to know when people are bein\u2019 bad<\/i> to you!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hmmm-mmm.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>If you\u2013 if you didn\u2019t see folk bein\u2019 bad<\/i> to you back there, then you were stupid<\/i>, that\u2019s all I can tell you, because they were being bad to you every minute.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019ve had (unintelligible name, sounds like \u201cEusa\u201d) tell me right in this church, used to break my heart, I\u2019d say, \u201cWhy, they\u2019re nice, they\u2019re nice to me. I work for those folk, and they give me their leftovers every day.\u201d<\/p>\n

Male 15: <\/b>Yeah, let me clean out the refrigerator.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Let me clean out the refrigerator, that was Los Angeles.<\/p>\n

Male 15: <\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Los\u2013 they\u2013 some sisters in Los Angeles. Give me that shit every<\/i> time we get on the subject. \u201cNice<\/i>, always nicer to me.\u201d (Pause) What\u2019s the matter there, my love?<\/p>\n

Female 5:\u00a0<\/b>(unintelligible) I heard \u2018em say it.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, yeah, you\u2019re right, you\u2019ve heard \u2018em say it. How many have heard folks say that?<\/p>\n

Male 15:<\/b> Hell yeah.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs of assent)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh yeah. \u201cMy own folk are the ones done me wrong<\/i>! I am tired of troublin\u2019 with my own people.\u201d Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm [Yes]. We need Amenin\u2019 \u2018cause some of you are guilty<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Male 15:<\/b> Back in the States, they tried to make a supervisor out of a black person, and all the black persons tried to kill him.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yep, yep, yep, yep.<\/p>\n

Boy:<\/b> Uh, me and Jan Gurvich was talkin\u2019 about Kuwait. Kuwait is a country and it has\u2013 it has twenty-five percent um, more oil than um, any other country in the world, and I asked her, would it be possible for Guyana to get, to get um, different oi\u2013 oils and resources from that country?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, son, I\u2019m tellin\u2019 you, you people gonna hafta answer your own questions, you keep this up. You\u2019re really pretty good. I don\u2019t know that um\u2013 I\u2019m sure<\/i> that in time, that Third World nations, like Kuwait, even though they\u2019re now being fooled by the United States to be afraid of communism, I\u2013 I think the oil nations in time will wake up and unite with the Third World, and United States\u2019ll be the one that will be left hangin\u2019 in the dryer. Right now the United States, its only last ditch stand, is to try to convince the oil rich nations like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia \u2013 thank you \u2013 that uh, they\u2019ve got to be afraid of communism<\/i>. They\u2019ve got them so afraid of communism that they\u2019re letting US pull the wool over their eyes and take their money for investments and military protection. One day\u2013 one day the people will rise up in those Third World nations that control the oil. That\u2019s a cinch. (pause) You people will have to uh\u2013 (deep breath) Oh shit, this is ridiculous. Hundred and nine people have got to sign here. (Stumbles over words) Just hold their hands up and they can come in here and sign. Edith Cordell, Edith Delaney, Miguel De Pina, E.L. [Eddie Lee] Dennis, you gotta keep your hands up because they gotta sign something to get you outta some tax trouble, or you\u2019ll lose your check. Connie Frohm, Maureen Talley, Sylvester Fair, Mary Garcia, Claude Ga\u2013 Goodspeed, keep your hands up when they\u2013 they\u2013 bring \u2018em over here. Tom Fitch, Mary Griffith, Pat Grunnett, Eyvonne Hayden, Gladys Jackson, Clara Johnson, Earl Johnson, Magnolia Harris, Judy Ijames, Paulette Jackson, Shanda (pause) James, Robert Johnson, Laura Johnston, [Valerie] Yvette Jones, Ralph Jackson, Kathy Jackson, Eartis uh\u2013 Jeffrey. Who is J. Jones? (pause) Which J. Jones? So many Joneses around here. (pause) Well, J. Jones, it says.<\/p>\n

Male 16:<\/b> Ask Carol over there, will you, Dick [Tropp]?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Irra Johnson, Wanda King, [Forrest] Ray Jones, Agnes Jones, Edie Kutulas, Karen Lendo, L. V. McKinnis, Earl McKnight \u2013 (rapidly) the boat\u2019s gotta go out later tonight, so you\u2019ve gotta get these signed \u2013 Earnestine March, Audrey\u2013 Andrea Martin, Jane Mutschmann, Herbert Newell, Maud Perkins, Edith Roller, Glenda Polite, Lois Ponts, Ron Sines, Darlene Ramey. If you don\u2019t do it, we\u2019ll get you outta\u2013 outta bed tonight, sure as hell. Abraham Staten, Annie Rozynko, Santiago Rosa, Shirley Smith. Tell \u2018em come over here and sign \u2018em now, you people that got their hands up. Willie Sneed, Adeleine Strider, Bobby Stroud, Armella Tardy, Bernice Thomas\u2013 I guess it\u2019s Ernest Thomas, formerly at 1209 West Spruce. Would that be Ernest Thomas? Compton? Who lived on 1209 West Thomas. West Spruce. Thomas that lived on 1209 West Spruce in Compton. Harriet [Sarah] Tropp, Adeleen [Alleane] Tucker, Richmond Stahl, Inez Wagner, Cheryl Wilhite, Mary Wotherspoon, Peter Wotherspoon, Bea Orsot, Danny Moton, Cynthia Davis, Preston Wade, Mary Ann Casanova, Tom Partak, Mary Cast\u2013 Castillo, William Castillo, Rochelle Halkman, Sylvia Grubbs, Mark Boutte, Corlis Boutte, Roosevelt Turner, Christine Miller, Ernestine Blair, Dorothy Brewer, Rosie Burgines, Pauline Groot. Now, all the people come over here to sign, and you can sign \u2018em up\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 17<\/b>:\u00a0<\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Somebody\u2013 J. Jones that lived on\u2013 no, that\u2019s\u2013 yeah, that\u2019s Brother Jones. 84th Street in Los Angeles? So hold your hands up and they\u2019ll come and\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 17:\u00a0<\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Give me something to wipe my glasses with so I can see fol\u2013 well, maybe I can do it here. Hold this up\u2013 who\u2013 (aside with unknown person) They can talk to \u2018em here<\/i>. I\u2019m tellin\u2019<\/i> you, to come in here and talk<\/i> to \u2018em. (Pause) One by one. Not gonna disrupt this whole thing, they can get to \u2018em, one by one, they\u2019re uh\u2013 they\u2019re in here\u2013 Hands are up, you put your hands up, don\u2019t you leave without\u2013 they\u2019ll getcha at night. Just don\u2019t let \u2018em\u2013 when they come in\u2013 Miss Tisha [Tish LeRoy]\u2013 who is it, Tish and Harold [Cordell]?<\/p>\n

Male 17:\u00a0<\/b>Yes, that\u2019s them. Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>When you come in, they\u2019ll uh, talk to you. Don\u2019t\u2013 Keep\u2013 You keep your hands up, but don\u2019t let your hands go down when they go out of here. \u2018Cause you\u2019ll be wakened at two or three o\u2019clock in the morning. And I don\u2019t think you\u2019ll like that. Right! We\u2019ve got\u2013 hurry it up over here, get \u2018em over here, will you?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(unintelligible responses)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hundred and nine people.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit, long pause, faint radio traffic in the background)<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/b>Yes?<\/p>\n

Female 6:\u00a0<\/b>Dad, we got a\u2013 a hundred and nine files over there, and some of them we have questions on, some of them we have to have signatures, and some\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I can\u2019t take a hundred and nine people outta here, I can\u2019t take \u2018em outta here.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/b> I realize that.\u00a0That\u2019s why I had to put two names on (unintelligible) \u2013don\u2019t know how to handle it because some of these (unintelligible word) are complicated.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Give me the goddamn list. There\u2019s no way nobody can do it the way I say it, I\u2019m sure. There\u2019s always someway that I say the way I ask to be done that can\u2019t be done. Edith Cordell, Edith Delaney\u2013 So I\u2019ve got to announce one hundred and nine names again. Miguel De La Pina, L\u2013 E.L. Dennis, Cora\u2013 Corrie Duncan, Connie Frohm, Maureen Talley, Sylvester Fair, Mary\u2013\u00a0Mary Garcia, Claude Ga\u2013 Goodspeed. Go over in the tent now and take care of it. You go now, the ones I just named. (pause) Okay? (pause) Uh, Goodspeed there, he\u2019s got on his red socks and his yellow\u2013 uh, my God, that\u2019s the way to come to the Lord\u2019s house.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(unintelligible responses)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And his y\u2013 yellow swatter. His yellow swatter. Thank you, Jesus! How ya doin\u2019, Goodspeed?<\/p>\n

Male 18:\u00a0<\/b>He said it (unintelligible word) good time\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(chuckles) He got his si\u2013 (unintelligible word) That\u2019s true. That\u2019s all right. I like them red sock, that\u2019s\u2013 (laughs) Shows we\u2019re red. What is it, folks here?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(unintelligible responses)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We got it at seventy.<\/p>\n

Male 18:\u00a0<\/b>Oh, is that what it is? Okay. I\u2019ll change that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I think it was seventy, didn\u2019t you? What were we, at seventy now?<\/p>\n

Male 18:<\/b> Maybe seventy-five. I don\u2019t know what the last one was.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh Jesus, I can\u2019t remember either. Well, we can remember\u2013 uh, Richard would remember. Richard remember. (Pause) That\u2019s probably so.<\/p>\n

Male 18:<\/b> Think it was, seventy-five (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Tell \u2018em to go\u2013 (unintelligible) go over there.\u00a0I don\u2019t know shit. I think he\u2019ll probably get by with if you didn\u2019t do it.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit; long pause with unintelligible radio traffic)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I might as well shift around here for a moment uh, while we\u2013 because we\u2019ve got to get some of this done, so any other\u2013 got any other questions about the program? Some different ones, I\u2019ve heard from some of the same individuals, now let\u2019s hear, hear from some new uh, faces. Till we gotta get this all done. (clears throat) Yes? (pause)<\/p>\n

Male 19:<\/b> Dad, you talked the other day in the news about Joshua Nkomo and Robert Mugabe.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Male 19:<\/b> Uh\u2013 I\u2019m not quite as clear on uh, what they\u2019re about, and I know they\u2019re some leaders in Africa.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, you\u2019ve been busy\u2013 uh, I have to keep up with it, it takes up time to listen to this news, and keep\u2013 keep diversification of it, to be able to pick up, and read it. They are the\u2013 the heads of the Patriotic Front, in Rhodesia again. When I say Rhodesia, we\u2019ll come back then, do it again until everybody learns and learns and learns and learns, Zimbabwe. They are the uh, they\u2013 they are the uh, leaders of the Patriotic Front. Represents three out of four of the population. I\u2019ve forgotten what it is\u2013 40<\/i> to 1 more blacks there \u2013 40 to 1 more blacks than whites \u2013 one white for every 40 blacks, and a white nation, a white government, runs that country. Can\u2019t last<\/i>, can\u2019t last. Inhumane\u2013 inhumane, immoral, barbaric. (clears throat) That\u2019s (mispronounces) Mugabe, Robert, I think you said, it pro\u2013 you pronounced it probably right. Mugabe, and Joshua Nkomo. Nkoma, Nokoma, the \u201cN\u201d\u2013 N\u201d is emphasized. (clears throat) Anybody else has any questions? (pause) Yes, [Marshall] Farris. (pause) (stumbles over words) While he\u2019s coming. Let me see, first time, two days, too slow\u2013 (hums) Michelle Brady Bogue, first time, two days, ran with wood, the hardest worker, set the pace for the rest of the crew, Ellie\u2019s off, (stumbles over words) she\u2019s off, Michelle Breakley\u2013 Brady (Pause), off. Stay off, honey (clears throat)\u2013 Wade Bright, too slow, okay, needs to pick up pace. Stanley Clayton, second time, good attitude, good worker, all (pause) the day he\u2019s there. (pause) Off. Where is uh, the uh, Johnston girl, by the way? I want to tell her (unintelligible word) your girlfriend. I want to tell her something. You going to have to behave yourself. Um, Janice, yes, uh, where\u2019s she at? You\u2019re gonna have to behave yourself because there\u2019s a ma\u2013 there a man that\u2019s interested in her. I\u2019m gonna tell him about her right now. (pause) I\u2019m telling you what I\u2019m gonna do, so you gonna have to be good<\/i>, if you want to keep her. Good.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

(Sounds of laughter)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Don\u2019t you think it\u2019s right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Yeah!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Sure\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 19:<\/b> Yeah, what\u2019s good for the goose\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Be good.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(drums and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Be good. I<\/i> didn\u2019t tell her what to do<\/i> about it, I was just tellin\u2019 her, so she don\u2019t have to feel she\u2019s bound by you anymore, brother, don\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/p>\n

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