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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Jones: <\/b>\u2014 in ignorance, but I\u2019ve never seen ignorance and sensitivity go together. So I can\u2019t remember names. (Calls out) All right<\/i>. We understand that. There\u2019s age factors, there\u2019s different levels of educational ability, retentive abilities and ability to read. But I\u2019m making it audible \u2014 if you want to correct it, and say clarify some words here in a moment, I\u2019ll let you do that, to clarify some word about the news. (In a sigh, exclaims, “Oh, Jesus Christ.”) (Pause.) But the emotional<\/i> pressure of seeing people sit<\/i> in a meeting, when you, you know<\/i> you can\u2019t get them to listen when you\u2019re talking out in the open, but if there\u2019s six or seven that do, you think, well, they may be your successors \u2014 ah, potential. They may be a part of the leadership council that would succeed the movement and safeguard it if anything happened to me, so I continue<\/i> to give the news, if there\u2019s only six or seven that listen. It\u2019s most<\/i> disarming, and painful<\/i> and agonizing to watch people who are supposed<\/i> to be leaders show no<\/i> respect whatsoever, talk and even come in<\/i> after<\/i> I speak the news, as if that\u2019s their prerogative. (Shouts) Well, goddamn you to hell, it\u2019s not your prerogative. You have no right to do that. This organization is built upon the dictatorship of the proletariat, and I am, goddammit, very much in control. The one way I could ease my tension is to raise my voice and my level of anger. I\u2019ll raise that level of anger, invoke martial law, and see, goddammit, that we get some consistency in this sonofabitchin\u2019 place. Do you read me?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Still shouting) I know what corrects\u2014 I know that I don\u2019t like this stance. I hate it. But I know what relieves the pressure that I internalize. (Pause) (Still shouting) Now I am sick and tired of when you are here, under the goddamn earphone, you don\u2019t listen. Don\u2019t fuck with me next time. Do I make myself clear. Don\u2019t fuck with me next time. Don\u2019t any analyst take it upon yourself to laugh and do little cheery things amongst yourself, \u2018cause I don\u2019t give a shit that you listen to me, you dumb ass motherfuckers, I only want you to grow up and care like I care. And you piss-ass, damn dumb idiots that won\u2019t listen when you have the opportunity, goddamn you, goddamn you, goddamn you.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause and cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Normal voice) Work some people in the school system to death, educators have to pressure pressure pressure, I feel such a burden for them, that\u2019s<\/i> part of the emotion. I go to classic class today, this afternoon, and see some of you playing with your goddamn notes while Sarah [Harriet Sarah Tropp] was teaching\u2014 One little lad, I\u2019d like to catch his ass. He was next to Brenda. You all know what was going on? (Pause) He was right next to you. (Pause) No, he wasn\u2019t. He was right\u2014\u00a0ri\u2014 no, it wasn\u2019t you. Setting, playing, reading down under his nose, my smiling back and forth, when we\u2019re talking about the emancipation of slaves, when we\u2019re talking about 15 million slaves brought over, 12 million of them died, we\u2019re talking about the historic struggle, things you need to notice and take note of in Guyana. Slavery was abolished 50 years before it was in USA, in spite of the Dutch East Indies Company, which was noted for its mercilessness, its\u2014 its terror, its inhumanity, and yet they were emancipated 50 years, 50 years better than the slaves were before in USA, and then, even though they bred slaves awhile after, they still have 30 years. (Voice starts to climb) Blacks here in this country were freed 30 years before USA, a clear picture to you how wicked USA is. It was the last, in spite of England known for its brutality, and its barbarism, and the Dutch East Indie colony \u2014 Indie, East Indies colony, that\u2019s part of this goddamn circulatory thing. It\u2019s very<\/i> infuriating to have to talk and to be pressured and \u2014 the indifference, the indifference\u2014 then, when I\u2019m talking, to have people climb in on my ass, just like you, you got a right just to climb in on my ass, no matter who I\u2019m talking to. And move<\/i> in. (Voice moderates) Now when I\u2019m sitting in a chair, or sitting there, counseling, talking to one, that\u2019s doesn\u2019t mean that five more can line up. I\u2019ve called<\/i> for them. You go through the council. You go through the coordinators. The head of the council \u2014 who is (unintelligible) Ava, my daughter takes care I think of most council matters, you go there<\/i> if you want to talk to me. If it\u2019s serious enough, they\u2019ll refer you. (Pause) Now I say again, you counselors and coordinators, you<\/i> act like you got some sense. You<\/i> act like you got some responsibility. They<\/i> watch your ass come drifting in here, 45 minutes late. They<\/i> watch your ass doing that. What right do you think \u2014 I had to sit here and listen to me, you think I want to listen to me? I\u2019m talking to the Touchettes who did it. Goddamn it. I think it\u2019s insulting. I think it\u2019s grossly<\/i> insulting. I think it\u2019s inconsiderate and lacking in empathy. (Shouts) You are not privileged here. The rules apply to everyone. Do I make myself clear? I would rather die and shed my blood than see this fucking elitism that think you have a right, goddamn it, to put yourself above the rules. Well, the rules are for one and all, and goddamn it, every fucking one of you are going to keep the rules.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Normal voice) With the pain I have in my head, and the distress in my body, I\u2019d just as soon have a White Night, so go over the fucking hill if you want to, and start some shit. So if I strike coordinators, I\u2019ll strike you.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Sighs) (Quieter voice) But emotional<\/i> tension, as he said, the one thing I need to have reduced. Last evening and yesterday afternoon was the most ungodly of all times, because everybody stopped<\/i> me in the aisle, stopped me in the walks, sidewalks as I prefer have them called, than jackpaths. Let\u2019s give a civilized connotation. There\u2019s a lot of that done. Comrade Inghram\u2019s very articulate<\/i>, but we don\u2019t talk about this place like it\u2019s some goddamn hole in the wall, we talk about walks like sidewalks until they\u2019re built<\/i> that way. We want to convey a respect, not a fucking jackpath, in some swampland. This is a civilized community that took a hell of a lot of work to build. Goddamn (microphone moves, distorts word) amount of work to build, some of you don\u2019t realize<\/i> that, and I\u2019m sure\u2014 the coordinators have been here for three and a half years, you\u2019re getting tired, but (Shouts) I been tired for 25 years. I\u2019m tired of looking at people\u2019s faces that don\u2019t give a fuck for 25 years, I watch and they don\u2019t give a goddamn. You can lay it out in front of them, and they will not listen. They will not read. They will not do anything, and that\u2019s why I have to suffer every day and all night and all through the hours, because I will have nobody but a few that will carry the burden with me. Because you hide yourself away in ignorance. (Voice returns to normal) Jesse (Just as?) you say you\u2019re too dumb, you\u2019re stupidly, stupidly naive to say that. You\u2019re just being a revisionist deviationist to say that. You could be just as informed as the rest of us. But you don\u2019t want to take the price.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I\u2019d also like to say that many of you find fault with those that work day and night to help him carry the burden to make an excuse for yourself<\/i> to do what you want to do.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>Are you hearing me? I\u2019m gonna say that again. Those of you who stand off and criticize those that help<\/i> him carry the burden day and night, to make an excuse<\/i> for yourselves. I\u2019m talking about the remarks about the elite, you know, those that are close\u2014<\/p>\n

(Low voice in crowd)<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Well, I haven\u2019t heard any. I can\u2019t even name names, I\u2019ve just heard it in the past. You know, the elite in the radio room, the, you know\u2014<\/p>\n

Low voice in crowd: <\/b>\u2014 elite in the radio room.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>That kind of stuff. The people who\u2014 Some of those people stay up day and night, and some of you criticize<\/i> them because you want an excuse for not staying up day and night yourself.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Tapes cuts out two seconds in midst of applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Just like San Francisco. San Francisco, right this very moment, crying race. Except Leona Collier, the only one that isn\u2019t crying race. Goddamn people setting back, one minister setting back, with two women, can\u2019t decide to\u2014 which one he wants, and call over the radio to talk to both of them last night. Another one of them, proud black woman, a very beautiful black woman, that takes uh, the, the husband of the woman here that was pregnant, Dennis Allen, very young, goes off and\u2014 all they do is fuck and play around, never work and cry race, because white folk are up in the radio room working 24 hours a day. (Voice rises) I hate that hypocritical shit. I hate that goddamn shit, cry race, just so you can walk around in your fucking bourgeois clothes and not get your damned fingernails dirty, and you can be laying up, shacking up in a room and saying, (mimics black voice) I don\u2019t like it because white folk run it. What you mean is you\u2019re too goddamn lazy to help the white folk.<\/p>\n

Right. Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That goddamn bullshit. And I mean every last one of them. I mean every goddamn last one of them back there, except Leona. Have to haul them out of here, and have to bring them over here because of their fucking attitude, their funky goddamn shitty attitude. Sure, I got one white person that\u2019s shitty, I\u2019ve got at least uh, Martha, uh Jean Brown, a fucking room every day, holding t\u2014 two jobs and then going all night long with the radio, and somebody standing up and criticizing, (Mimics) We got white people in the radio room. Well, get your ass off and get in the radio room. Get your ass in the radio room. Bea Orsot\u2019s in her middle years and she<\/i> comes in the radio room at night. You can get your ass in there, if you want<\/i> to get your ass in there, it\u2019s up to you. It\u2019s, it\u2019s not the\u2014 you won\u2019t find it Pleasant Center. It\u2019s not Pleasantville. It, it isn\u2019t very funny<\/i> in there. I don\u2019t think you\u2019ll find it as popularized as you think<\/i> it wo\u2014 would be, and I notice a whole lot of folks start in there and aren\u2019t there<\/i> any more.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>With the exception of Lee \u2014 that\u2019s about all I see \u2014 and Bea. Hmm? Some have a lot of other things to do, there\u2019re black people here got other things to do. Coordinators and counselors. But I, I\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0some of you could surely be<\/i> in there and you could learn the procedure if you\u2019d wanted to.<\/p>\n

Isolated voices in crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The emotional tension, yes, all right. The emotional tension factor is what I\u2019ve got to watch. And when you<\/i> take advantage\u2014 when you do that, you\u2019re creating a hell of a lot of resentment. A lot of goddamn resentment. And other people watch you stride straddle-ass around, talk to whoever you want to, or come in when you want to, so who do the fuck you think you are? Who in the shit do you think you are, and they say, well I<\/i> don\u2019t have to listen to him. And yet, it\u2019d be different if some of you that don\u2019t\u2014 even some of you leaders that don\u2019t<\/i> get here on time, or straddle-ass around here, you<\/i> don\u2019t know what\u2019s going on either<\/i>. You couldn\u2019t tell me shad from bad. You don\u2019t ni\u2014 you don\u2019t know Niger from the River Niger. You don\u2019t know one fucking thing about Africa. So goddamnit, you be sure when you\u2019re walking around here and talking during my presentation of the news, that you know<\/i> the damn lesson, because I\u2019m going to personally eyeball you, and find out. I\u2019m tired of these generalized tests. We\u2019re gonna get down severely. I\u2019m gonna ask Comrade (unintelligible name) get down there, that we get these fuckers w\u2014 where we know<\/i> whether they know or not. It\u2019s easy to throw a test question out and get somebody pass<\/i> over some generalized bit of news. Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Teachers make great preparations of tremendous history, the great black souls that have died, like Cuffy, like Cuffy that have died on this soil and committed revolutionary suicide for freedom, and you don\u2019t know his name from black coffee. Some fool thought that the song that Marthea was singing about was about coffee. (Pause) That\u2019s right, that\u2019s right, I\u2019m telling you that\u2019s right. Thought they were singing about coffee. That\u2019s a great man, who struggled<\/i> and fought<\/i> for liberation in this country, and died, rather than be taken a slave again, he turned a gun on himself and shot himself, rather than be a slave again. Because it was all over. His rebellion was all over. And he knew he\u2019d be tortured, there\u2019d be no point to it, so he committed\u2014 he committed suicide. Until you get some knowledge, you don\u2019t (unintelligible word) walk around like you got such\u2014 your shit don\u2019t stink.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>All right. That\u2019s uh, the essential of the uh, things that bother me. It bothers me that people take advantage. It bothers me that elitism reigns<\/i>, and it\u2019s not in the radio<\/i> room. There may be some of it there. If you see it, you, you, you point it out. Anytime you put yourself above a rule, you\u2019re an elitist. I don\u2019t care what the rule\u2014 wha\u2014 who you are, or where you are or what your position. I\u2019m not bothered by nobody. (Emphatic) I am not bothered by nobody. I may let you get by with your shit, but you don\u2019t bother me. The reason I let it get by, I hope you\u2019ll change, voluntarily, I hope you\u2019ll feel. But I give up on feelings. I tried to be my kindly, gentle self. It doesn\u2019t work. First place, I just repress all of the anger that I see. I<\/i> don\u2019t want to take it and strike it at you, but I, I, I \u2014 anger<\/i>, it, it makes my angry, when people sit in here with the comforts of three meals a day, and all they want to eat, and they won\u2019t learn what\u2019s happening over in Africa, where a whole nation like Transky, the whole region breaks away, surrounded, landlocked in South Africa, and they could all be wiped out by the sophisticated weaponry and missilery, and the airplanes of the Union of South Africa, but they don\u2019t give a shit anymore, they\u2019d rather be free and die today, the whole region, the whole state of Transky in Union of South Africa on the tip of that continent, and some of you never even look when I point at it. And that, that\u2019s what irritates me. That gives me an emotional outburst. He says, that\u2019s where I have to watch my danger. If I have a stroke. But don\u2019t worry<\/i>, you won\u2019t be penalizing me, if I die. (Daring tone) You say, I\u2019ll get back to the States. I\u2019ll bet you don\u2019t. I bet you haven\u2019t read some of the plans that \u2014 I\u2019m reading some today that my security\u2014 I\u2019ll bet you, if you don\u2019t<\/i> function, you won\u2019t get back. I never told them one thing to do, but you ought to read some of them. If I drop over here dead, you won\u2019t go. So if you\u2019re wanting to kill me, you won\u2019t go, I\u2019m going to tell you, \u2018cause I\u2019ve read them, all day long, because I\u2019ve asked all of my security that I meet with a couple of times a week, I\u2019ve read all their plans, and they, they\u2019ve got you, baby. And I\u2014\u00a0They can all tell you, I never asked one of them to do a thing, but don\u2019t start no shit, if I\u2014 if s\u2014 if I die, don\u2019t start no shit, because some of them got some plans worked out from A to Z. You say, well, some of the security I don\u2019t trust. Don\u2019t worry, the tr\u2014 security you don\u2019t trust will be taking care of some\u2014 very<\/i> actively by the security that are<\/i> trustworthy. (Pause) Hell, it\u2019s quiet. You thought you were going to die, you thought I was going to die and you gonna get to go home.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Say it won\u2019t work, it won\u2019t work if I die. Oh yes it will<\/i>, it will \u2014 at the point of a gun. You listen to Marceline at the point of a gun. By God, you\u2019ll get your ass together, and you\u2019ll listen to whoever\u2019s in charge at the point of the gun.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I didn\u2019t come all these fucking years, waste my life down through the years, to see it come to nothing at the graveyard<\/i>. Oh no, you\u2019re not just going to put a little sign out there for me and then die. Huh-uhn. I didn\u2019t go through this sweat and blood to see this movement come to nothing. This is a part of the historical procedure, or historical change<\/i>. I don\u2019t give a goddamn whether you like me or not. Fuck you. I don\u2019t give a shit whether you like a thing I say tonight. Don\u2019t fuck with me, or I\u2019ll slap you\u2014 I\u2019ll slap you silly tonight.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Unintelligible word) (Pause) She\u2019s said my blood pressure\u2019s raging pretty high at this moment. (Disgusted) Well, I don\u2019t give a shit. I\u2019ll still rage. (Laughs) (Resigned) What the goddamn hell does it make a difference to me. You\u2019re<\/i> killing me anyway, some of you pricks, you elitist pricks. You\u2019re killing me. Start some shit when I die. Time for you to line up now, you could\u2019ve\u2014 you could\u2019ve organized yourself. (Pause) High blood pressure, that\u2019s a hell of a high blood pressure, isn\u2019t it.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>It\u2019s 110.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, well, I know, get me, get me the uh\u2014 (tape cuts out for 30 seconds). I don\u2019t worry about dying. You the one need to start worrying when I die. I ain\u2019t worried about dying. Nothing worry me. If I have a stroke, that don\u2019t worry me. I\u2019ll crawl out in the jungle and die. Fertilize (unintelligible word) the cassavas. They don\u2019t bo\u2014 they don\u2019t bother me. \u2018Cause you people gonna know who killed me. All you sonabitches that do your elitist trip. Stand up, thinking you\u2019re better than somebody else. Think you don\u2019t have to work the farmland. That\u2019s worried me all afternoon, to see that we haven\u2019t got\u2014 we don\u2019t have anybody staying two or three weeks. That\u2019ll be a major<\/i> decision, not a lot of damn fool ass reports, anybody going to farm<\/i> around here. \u2018Cause everybody want to be a uh\u2014 wear a white uniform. (Pause) Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, it\u2019s quiet now.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Anybody going to farm<\/i>. Is anybody going to try to feed<\/i> us? Or do you expect manna to drop out of heaven, like it didn\u2019t<\/i> in Egypt. I\u2019m sure it didn\u2019t drop out in Egypt, but the fool Moses couldn\u2019t get a leading from the Lord, to lead him 40 miles, it took him 40 fucking years to get him 40 miles going around in circles in the damn desert, I\u2019m sure<\/i> there\u2019d be no food dropped out of heaven to feed the son of a bitch.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I ain\u2019t never seen no food drop out of nowhere. Only bird<\/i> shit drops.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Pause) So. I want it clearly understood, that those\u2014 if I die\u2014 that are guilty are those who\u2019ve taken privilege. Those who walk around like cocks<\/i> of the walk. Those who stand back and backbite. Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Or take\u2014 take it, their liberty, to show up when they want to, to a meeting, or a security meeting, or do their security, or be late for their security, or to criticize security behind its back. Always these goddamn Monday morning quarterbacks, always know how to fight the ballgame on Monday. They know how to win the fucking ballgame after it\u2019s already been played on Saturday. I\u2019m sick and tired of hearing of these Monday morning quarterbacks. Why don\u2019t you talk up on Saturday, while we\u2019re playing the game?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Get your damn nose in it. Some people don\u2019t like to put themselves out, they like to be critics<\/i> all the time. Used to be folks like that in the medical department, that\u2019s been somewhat corrected, stand back\u2014 always \u2014 they knew how to do it better than the doc\u2014 the doctor, after<\/i> he\u2019d already won the case. It\u2019s a goddamn good thing he never lost<\/i> a case, because they\u2019d been\u2014 they stood up and howl ballyhoo to the moon. Just\u2014 I don\u2019t want to get involved<\/i> so I can stand off and criticize. I don\u2019t want to get involved<\/i> in any of these surgeries, or any of these medical treatment or uh, the deliveries, so I can stand back and criticize. Fuck<\/i> you Monday morning quar\u2014 quarterbacks. Fuck you. You don\u2019t want to get involved with all the burden I have to carry on my shoulders. I\u2019ve had to fuck<\/i> for this cause, I\u2019ve had to do every goddamn thing under the sun, and you still<\/i> won\u2019t give me no peace.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Tapes cuts off a few seconds)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014180 over 130, I don\u2019t give a shit if it is<\/i>, it can go up to 250 over 130, I\u2019m still going to talk. Well, get me the medication, now, I don\u2019t worry about it, I\u2019m sick<\/i> of all you people doing this shit to me. All of you ought to feel guilty as hell.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>To whom much is given, much is required.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t give a goddamn if I die tonight, I\u2019m entitled<\/i> to die tonight. If anybody deserved to die tonight, it\u2019s me.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Pause) (Conversational) That\u2019s the way I feel about it. I think if anybody on earth deserves to die tonight, it\u2019s me. I\u2019m in agonizing pain in my head, and I keep talking to the same motherfuckers who I put trust in, I put you in positions of trust, and you bu\u2014 abuse it. You abuse it. You can\u2019t put<\/i> somebody in trust. Ninety percent of the time, they\u2019ll abuse it. You give them a little bit of leadership, they take all the leeway they want to, to pull all kind of shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And it isn\u2019t enough that I do\u2014 satisfy you, somebody gotta block<\/i> me today. Get six people that say thank you for fried chicken that cost us $5000 perhaps, perhaps yesterday, and here, here (laughs) here. Today, they\u2019re griping about this and that and the other. Come in here to talk about Africa, and some\u2014 this one, that one, the other one stops me with some little picayune complaint. A lot<\/i> of shit bother me tonight. This goddamn organ could have waited until the news was over but they (struggles for words) I can understand the organist wanting a position, but six, seven people never<\/i> want to listen, grab a hold of the son of a bitch. All sorts of distractions. What\u2019s going to happen when I\u2019m not here any longer? Who\u2019s<\/i> going to stand and read all the news and listen to the static through your goddamn ear, you think you\u2019re going to go nuts, trying to hear it, listen to the static, and then get in an articulate, articulate it with fact, yet with a socialist<\/i> perspective, when you can\u2019t hardly get one socialist broadcast. (Calls out) Who\u2019s going to do it?<\/i> Hope you\u2019ve kept the tapes and safeguarded them.<\/p>\n

Low voice in crowd<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>A little something to ea\u2014 ease the pain so you can coordinate, that\u2019s all. Mmm. (Receiving a shot?) You know, killers are back there in San Francisco, they\u2019re<\/i> not killing me. Oh they are, all those people back there starting race, racism in our camp, um, um, black Ku Klux Klan \u2014 had a black chapter<\/i> of the Ku Klux Klan<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>In Mississippi. Joined the Ku Klux Klan. They didn\u2019t join them, whites won\u2019t have them, they made their own. (Sighs) Said they believe in separ\u2014 I don\u2019t know what\u2019s the matter with people but, in the United States, in my<\/i> church, Leona Collier fighting with her<\/i> blood pressure against (Stretches out word) motherfuckers that can stand back and play cards, people in the kitchen playing cards, goddamn their ass. People that should be packing our goods and wares, playing cards, goofing off. And Archie Ijames and Leona, the only one carrying it. (Cries out) I said that\u2019s all<\/i>. I didn\u2019t add no other name. (Pause) The only ones not hollering race. (Pause) I don\u2019t mind people hollering race, if there\u2019s racism and\u2014 and they\u2019re working. But it pisses<\/i> me off when people holler race, and they\u2019re sitting down in the kitchen all night long playing cards. I said, that pisses me off. Or, for that matter, if you\u2019re sitting here<\/i> playing cards all night, I don\u2019t object<\/i> to your playing cards, but stay off of us, black and white that are running the goddamn place in the radio room and putting up with this shit. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mmm. Anybody got anything what\u2014 anything to say<\/i> about your damn complicity and what\u2019s killing me? You won\u2019t hear me say that often, but that\u2019s what killing me. Indifference, insensitivity, ignorance and taking advantage of your position and rolling<\/i> around here like you\u2019re something special \u2014 I wouldn\u2019t give a goddamn. Some of you work hard, but when you roll<\/i> around as special, you give every person watching you room \u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014 every anarchist that may not carry the weight you carry, room<\/i>. That\u2019s why, when it says 7:30, everybody ought to be here, but there wasn\u2019t three-quarters of the people here. They weren\u2019t here. Not three-quarters. (Pause) (Drinks) Where\u2019s Jocelyn [Brown]? (Pause) Words with her too. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male voice: <\/b>(unintelligible)\u2014\u00a0say you\u2019re here so we can\u2014 (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Here.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah. Did you\u2014 did you give any difficulties in town? You don\u2019t listen to nothing. You got a beautiful baby. I took care of your baby and went to see the baby every day. I even diapered the baby. But by God, I\u2019m, I\u2019m telling you I don\u2019t appreciate the stuff I heard. I heard there was problems in town, that you \u2014 you didn\u2019t like to take advice, and you didn\u2019t\u2014 you were\u2014 you\u2014 you got in the race theme, you got in the race theme in town (Pause) Well, your husband knows something about it, \u2018cause I, I posed the question at the time. I counted on you. You were supervisor. You\u2019re part of my problem. We\u2019re counting on you, you were one of the field supervisors, I counted on you for the best<\/i> in town, girl.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>(tapes cuts in, like mike turned on)\u2014 ight, that\u2019s right, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Did I get the best?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>No, you didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019d you do wrong?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Um. (Pause) I um\u2014 I was argumentive, I was defensive um, (Pause) I (Pause) \u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You make it difficult for a black woman who doesn\u2019t show any concern of race. Working class people are not supposed to be concerned about race. (unintelligible) those supposed to be concerted about principle<\/i>. And uh, Debbie [Touchette] \u2014\u00a0you ever give Debbie any trouble, black sister?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>She was never\u2014 I never give her no problems. She was\u2014\u00a0She was never there<\/i>. I mean, I \u2014 my business wasn\u2019t\u2014 I didn\u2019t get no instructions or nothing from her. She didn\u2019t have anything to do with anything I got. It was mainly Karen that had\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You know of any remarks about uh, putting her down because she works with white people?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Debbie? No, I never said anything\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I didn\u2019t say you did. Did you know<\/i> of any remarks? I didn\u2019t say you did it.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Oh.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I didn\u2019t say you did it.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Oh. I never heard<\/i> any.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, they were made<\/i>. That stuff kills me. People use this shit just to hide their own laziness behind. (Pause) I chewed Karen\u2019s ass out every time something wrong. Every time she says something. Yesterday I chew\u2014 talked to her about the essentiality, saying to you\u2014 a person\u2019s face<\/i> what you think, and no snide ass remarks and her uh, something she said to Chris uh, Jones, uh, Chris Cordell Jones about uh, noticing somebody jacking off in their pants, I said what kind of damn talk is this, to uh a secretary. I jumped on Sharon, who\u2019s a marvelous<\/i> woman, who works her ass<\/i> off, but because she\u2019s too defensive, and too argumentive, when it\u2019s\u2014 we could have a White Night based on their judgments. Their judgments could mean a difference between whether we have a White Night or we don\u2019t<\/i> have a White Night. So I leaped on those people for two and a half hours, through the static, her and uh, I<\/i> don\u2019t know who all. She and Mike Prokes were taking a bicycle ride, not letting people know where they are \u2014 well, what all did you do wrong in town? You sure, you, you didn\u2019t get it.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Um. (Pause) At times, I blo\u2014 when I couldn\u2019t get\u2014\u00a0when I didn\u2019t feel like I was getting my point across, I blew up, and just start yelling at people, at the person I was arguing with. Um. (Pause) What did\u2014 Um. (Pause) I, I was um\u2014\u00a0(Pause) I didn\u2019t follow through like I should on certain things\u2014\u00a0on, on certain important things that I should have fellow\u2014\u00a0followed through on. I was forgetful. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Mike Carter <\/b>(mike clicks on): \u2014 didn\u2019t try, you didn\u2019t try to take any leadership either<\/i>. And you were asked to, you were asked to come in and take part of leadership and you\u2014 we all<\/i> could take it on, and you didn\u2019t even try<\/i> to do any of the leadership and the only time you even began<\/i> to try was when a whole bunch of people came to do<\/i>, but you still<\/i> didn\u2019t follow through with that<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Another male voice:<\/b> (low voice) \u2014 sent to Georgetown for that purpose.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Um, the duties I had, I was, I was, I<\/i> felt like\u2014 I<\/i> felt like I\u2014 my\u2014\u00a0my duties was towards medical and immigration and part of p.r. and some of the customs. I thought I was, I mean\u2014\u00a0I didn\u2019t feel like I could take<\/i> any more at that time, \u2018cause I was, I didn\u2019t know\u2014\u00a0when I got<\/i> there, I\u2014 my instructions were all written down. And I had to\u2014 I had to just read up\u2014 up on everything and feel my way through everything and I mean, I\u2014\u00a0When I, when I told Rhonda was what I had felt my way through so, I felt like I shouldn\u2019t try to put myself in any other position before I knew exactly what I was doing.<\/p>\n

Paula Adams: <\/b>Almost every pers\u2014 Every single day, we got a report back about your attitude, about using um, if you\u2019d, if you\u2019re\u2014 rather than be defensive about what it was, you always interpreted it as race. I don\u2019t remember specific uh, instances of what it was about, but every single day<\/i> for about a week and a half, we got a report back about your attitude.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>I had a bad attitude, but I, I had no\u2014 I\u2019ve never<\/i> said anything race.<\/p>\n

Adams: <\/b>It was not one<\/i> person that said it. Everyone that was there said it. (Deliberate) Every single person in Georgetown felt you had a\u2014 were using race.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Oh, that\u2014<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>\u2014 (unintelligible) use race?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>No I did not. I mean.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>You\u2019re lying. You (unintelligible) used race, one time or another. And all you come up with (unintelligible) lying.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Why, why, what were you doing when somebody white told you how to, about a car<\/i>, and you had an accident.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>(Pause) I didn\u2019t\u2014 um.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Struggles for words) When that white person gives you instruction and you react to it and don\u2019t listen to it, is that not race<\/i>? If it sound\u2014 if it\u2019s a sound uh, instruction?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I remember all these details, because I forgive very quickly, but there\u2019s something about a goddamn car and stupidness out there and a whole, whole\u2014 and you should\u2014 you were the driver, and they asked you about it, why in the hell you got no (unintelligible)\u2014 out in the middle of nowhere with no fucking tire. And it was parked out there. Patty and Evena (?) stick\u2014 stuck out on the damn road for, for hours?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Um. Oh! Well, see, I take Patty and um, Evena, we went up to Linden, and the tire was\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>But you had no extra tire.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>I didn\u2019t\u2014 I wasn\u2019t\u2014 The tire\u2014 I mean, that was just carelessness on my part. I shoulda made sure there was a tire in the car.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>But she asked<\/i> about it. (Pause) (Tapes turns off a few seconds) But he, whoever, he\u2019s responsible, whoever he talked with, but the point was, when she, when Patty made some suggestion about it, when someone said something to you, you got defensive<\/i> about it.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>(Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Unintelligible) here, her memory\u2019s like an elephant. I can\u2019t with all this blood pressure, it makes it difficult for me.<\/p>\n

Low voice from audience.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Angrily) He knows, he knows, it was something about a vehicle safety.<\/p>\n

Carter: <\/b>Right, okay, the vehicle \u2014 both of our vehicles (unintelligible) had spare tires, and it was our responsibility, even before she came in town. When I<\/i> first came in town, neither one of our vehicles had spare tires, uh, we just started last month looking for uh, spare tire for the Bedford, and uh, there\u2019s no rims. So, you know, if we had started early, we could\u2019ve got them. But uh, you know, so\u2014 but as far as it goes, you, you were listening to who you want to, and someone might say the same thing, but you\u2019ll accept<\/i> it easier from some people and (struggles for words) and it\u2019s\u2014 99% of the time, it\u2019s race. (Pause) I mean, about a year<\/i> ago, I remember you even said you had a hard time, you know, relating with me<\/i> sometimes. But uh, because of your past background. And that goes with everybody\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Radio people, in the future, will they take down these points, when there\u2019s criticism arisen, \u2018cause she\u2019s evidently drawn a blank on it. There was something about driving a car too fast<\/i>, leaving a car parked out\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>\u2014 just a minute, I\u2019ll talk to Lee about that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>People\u2014<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>What\u2014 what I\u2014 oh, I\u2019m sorry, excuse me, Dad, but I was careless, and Mother was\u2014 mo\u2014 mom was in the car, um, that was with Bea Orsot.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mother was in the car, yes.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>That\u2019s what Bea Orsot wrote up. I was<\/i> careless. I did not\u2014 I mean, the car was coming, I didn\u2019t\u2014 I didn\u2019t\u2014 my distances\u2014 I was just careless about that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Your Mother\u2019s spine was paralyzed<\/i> till I healed it. All she needed was just one crack, just one little whiplash, and that\u2019d been the finish of her. She\u2019d be paralyzed.<\/p>\n

Low voice from audience.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Don\u2019t tell me that\u2019s not racist hostility.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Not to sta\u2014 not to assume responsibility<\/i> is racism. We needed you. I begged you, take\u2014 (tape ends)<\/p>\n

End of side 1<\/p>\n

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Side 2<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>While you\u2019re out there with, with your friends, she\u2019s in town doing the techni\u2014 technical work of this cause, when this shithead wanted to take over my radio, when I\u2014 we\u2019re in the middle of crisises. Why<\/i> don\u2019t you think you should take of him? Make people so ashamed that they have got normal sized breasts, that they\u2019re, they\u2019re, they\u2019re some kind of peculiar creature<\/i>. You got what he needs<\/i>, honey. (Pause) Why don\u2019t you<\/i> take some responsibility? You played with him against our rules<\/i>. You sexually<\/i> carried on against our rules<\/i>, now you don\u2019t want\u2014 now you don\u2019t want to take your responsibility? Cause she wants to go on to dental college, and she should<\/i>. She wants to do something, she wants to train her mind, she wants to do something with her mind.<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>She put up with his madness. She\u2019s put up with his madness, by however it could be done. Seminars, whatever, she willing to do that. Now, why, why (struggles for words) now, now, now, all this shit that he\u2019s straight up, \u2018cause you don\u2019t want nothing to do with him.<\/p>\n

Carol Kerns: <\/b>It was, it was just my, um, all the drugs that I, that I did, I really didn\u2019t want Bruce or\u2014<\/p>\n

Low voice from audience.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ain\u2019t this awful. This is goddamn awful. (Off direct mike) Who does she\u2014 who was she with?<\/p>\n

Male voice in audience: <\/b>\u2014 all the time, and now you, now you gonna throw up a song about you know\u2014 (voice trails away)<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>I feel, I feel that I should<\/i>. I feel that I should.<\/p>\n

Male voice: <\/b>Well, I\u2019m glad<\/i> you feel you should.<\/p>\n

Penny Kerns: <\/b>Uh, I\u2019d like to say that it really\u2014 you, you and Carol Kerns make me want to puke, that when I accused you two of having alliance weeks and weeks ago, last month, you both denied it, and you both treated me like\u2014 and other people like shit<\/i>. You guys bad-mouthed different people on the Crew, and you guys did<\/i> have an alliance. And you ought to both be ashamed of yourself, you both ought to have your butts kicked.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>You know what, you know what, the only thing I disagree with you, Penny, that\u2019s it, no more violence. And you gonna, you, you gonna open the book on violence.<\/p>\n

Penny: <\/b>I (unintelligible word) I, I shouldn\u2019t have said butts kicked, I apologize for that, Dad, I didn\u2019t mean that. You guys\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Tom asked me about that, honey. Why do you play with this man\u2014 you like the mystique of the night, now he\u2014 he needs somebody to ca\u2014 carry him through. And you\u2019re not interested<\/i>. \u2018Cause he\u2019ll, he\u2019ll fall apart<\/i>. This kind of man\u2019ll fall apart. He don\u2019t have some woman to b\u2014 back him up, he\u2019ll fall apart.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Now you, you guys give him all this arrogant attitude that he could get on (unintelligible word) easy preys, an easy mark. You give it to him. You give him this. You give it this shit that boils him up. (Angrily) I\u2019m pissed. Get on the road. Get\u2014 get on the radio, \u2018cause (struggles for words) you and Tim been up to carrying on, and they hadn\u2019t even talked to each other.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He said that, he said that, he said that. He wrote me a goddamn letter, I\u2019m pissed. I want you on the radio. Well, she ain\u2019t going<\/i> on no goddamn radio, \u2018cause she don\u2019t want<\/i> to go on the radio, and I\u2019m not having that kind of shit talked over no<\/i> radio. He can sit there and live with his imaginations and his worries and his fears. He can think she\u2019s fucking whoever she wants to (unintelligible word)\u2014\u00a0whatever<\/i> he wants to, that\u2019s his problem.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience.<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>I will, I will take on responsibility for what I started, and I\u2019ll, I\u2019ll go ahead and marry him, whatever you\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Talks over her) Well, I wouldn\u2019t bind you, but you ought to, you ought to be nice, and everybody here better be, be nice too. Anybody else interested in him? You better speak, boy, you better stay out of her way.<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>Hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Anybody here\u2014 anybody else? Slept around with him, played around with him? (Pause) You cause these men\u2019s brains to go to their dicks.<\/p>\n

Right.<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>I would like to know, Carol, if you knew all this was going on, because I know that\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>How does she<\/i> know about that?<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>Oh, I\u2019m sorry.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>How in the goddamn hell\u2014<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>Okay.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Don\u2019t try to nail her to the cross for everything<\/i>, honey. (Pause) Is she watching him and her in the house<\/i>? (Pause) Okay, there better not be no more shit said, when you gotta be\u2014 you, you get up when I bring it\u2014 you have to go through it again, \u2018cause he\u2019s gonna be faced here. (Pause) All he\u2019s done. Everything<\/i> he\u2019s done.<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What are you going to say to him, Billy [Oliver]?<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Have to drag his ass out of here and take him out of Georgetown, \u2018cause he ca\u2014 can\u2019t hold together. (Pause) Where is he, in the damn notes? (Pause) I\u2019m not talking about Billy, Billy all right. What\u2019re you going to say<\/i> to her? What\u2019re you going to say to her or hit or it or she or him or whatever?<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>He wants to know what you\u2019re going to say to Bruce [Oliver] when he gets back.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Are you going to nail him for tel\u2014 for messing with you, even though it doesn\u2019t make that much difference, you got a woman you like now? Are you going to nail him for g\u2014 going to bed with your girlfriend?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mmm. Mmm-hmm. Yeah, and that\u2019s what\u2014 Yeah, that\u2019s what\u2019s been going on. A lot of others<\/i> who think you can get by with this shit, you better pull<\/i> it in. (Pause) Own brother. Nothing sacred. \u2018Cause he\u2014 he\u2019s fortunate. His mother\u2014 his mother preferred him<\/i> over Billy. You\u2019re fortunate. You\u2019re healthy, and he\u2019s unhealthy.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>Um, Dad, I\u2019m working\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Anybody\u2014 anybody going to make any smart ass comment if she takes this thing on?<\/p>\n

Few voices: <\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Then later you can do what you want<\/i> to do about it. (Pause) Hmm? Well, don\u2019t you think you have a moral obligation to it?<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>Yes, I do, Dad, I do.<\/p>\n

White male in crowd: <\/b>Collective obligation.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>Yes, Da\u2014\u00a0yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Collective. That\u2019s better put.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay. (Pause) Now don\u2019t let him start that shit with you<\/i>, now. You take it on, but don\u2019t let him\u2014 you\u2014 don\u2019t get under his goddamn domination.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Everybody should be equal in a relationship.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices in crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Now I want to say, anybody else, when somebody\u2019s in town, that carrying on this shit, you\u2014 it\u2019s going to be bad news. (Pause) Now always<\/i> one thing, when they start badging you with their jealousies. You can bet this. They\u2014 The reason<\/i> they\u2019re jealous, they\u2019re doing what you\u2014 what they think you\u2019re<\/i> doing.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s always the way it is. Invariably. (Pause) I knew<\/i> you\u2019d done something, even though nobo\u2014\u00a0nobody told me. I knew it. (Pause) Mmm-hmm. Let\u2019s go. Next.<\/p>\n

New voice at mike:<\/b> Um, I\u2019m work\u2014 I\u2019m sorry, from now on, I\u2019d like to work half my day, in the day, in the field. (Pause) I\u2019ll do that, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Do you want what?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>\u2014\u00a0want to do in the first place?<\/p>\n

New voice at mike:<\/b> Yes, ah.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

New voice at mike:<\/b> I mean, I keep up with my same job and still work half the day and my, my free time in the field, since I\u2019m working at night.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Another voice at mike: <\/b>Dad, I\u2019d like to say that I\u2019m sorry, I\u2019m sorry for saying what I did to Carol, because I didn\u2019t need to be tough when I was talking.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You want to have so much guilt? Well, one thing. If you\u2019d<\/i> had told me, the money that you, you\u2019d taken in, I would have been glad<\/i> if you had kept $300, if you had told me Grace Stoen had $5000 under their mattress. I could have nailed the bitch, and she would have had to uh, (struggles for words) let John be adopted, like he wanted to be, my<\/i> son, yes he is, and legally, he could have been made so. I coulda got on<\/i> to that thing and taken care of it. (Pause) You know anybody remembered the church had $5000 under their mattress, you knew<\/i> she didn\u2019t have no money. (Pause) She had to steal<\/i> it, off the church. And you, you just go round with a damn attitude. I don\u2019t know why you don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0you\u2014 well, I\u2014\u00a0you gonna have to correct it. I appeal to your reason, I think you\u2019d have enough guilt<\/i> to make your change, I<\/i> don\u2019t have\u2014 I take everybody\u2019s guilt on, to make myself change. But we always end up this thing, you should<\/i> have feeling. You should have\u2014\u00a0should have felt it. (Pause) Ho, God, my head is\u2014 feels like\u2014 going to blow up again. Go on, go on, go on, please. I\u2019m sorry (struggles for words)\u2014 I love you, but you\u2019ll have to understand the irritation that goes with the uh, the tension<\/i> of, of an in\u2014 infernal headache all the time. I\u2019ve got the strongest medication in me, so that\u2019s why I don\u2019t even believe in taking it. It doesn\u2019t<\/i> do any good. (Pause) It lasts for a few minutes, and you still got the sonofabitching problem.<\/p>\n

Young voice: <\/b>And I don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0When you\u2019re talking, I don\u2019t concentrate enough on what you\u2019re saying, and I\u2019ll start paying more attention. And\u2014 And I\u2019ll change my attitude.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Where\u2019s the magnifying glass? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>Carol, in relation to you, I wish you\u2019d stop flaunting your ignorance. The other night in the socialist teacher\u2019s meeting, you ah, seemed to enjoy saying (Mimics) I just don\u2019t understand. And when I said to you, ah, you know, make sure you ask\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s a damn shame too, \u2019cause she\u2019s ought to\u2014 she\u2019s k\u2014\u00a0smart enough to be a teacher<\/i>, much less without stand up there, I don\u2019t understand.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>This is in the teacher\u2019s meeting. This is<\/i>\u2014 She says she doesn\u2019t understand the news item, and she acted like it was something cute<\/i> about it. And I said, make sure you talk to Mike Touchette or Lee Inghram or somebody that could answer your questions, and you didn\u2019t have the decency to look up. I think you think it\u2019s cute, you know, ignorance is cute or something.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> It\u2019s all \u2018cause she was reading a book<\/i> in the teacher\u2019s meeting, while the\u2014 they were having the teacher\u2019s meeting (unintelligible phrase)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Reading a book. You\u2019ve developed an attitude that I don\u2019t like. (Pause) You got such potential. You stood up when all your other relatives were acting like shitheads. (Pause) Well, let\u2019s just ge\u2014 get\u2014 get on with it, whatever in the hell we\u2019re doing.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Middle-aged white man: <\/b>Well, I\u2019d li\u2014 I\u2019d like to say that I\u2019m, I am extremely sorry for what I did, and I feel extremely guilty about it, and it, and it definitely will not happen again.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Middle-aged woman: <\/b>I\u2019m very sorry that, that I was late this evening. Um. I will not be late again. In fact, I\u2019ll see if I can\u2014 I\u2019ll come a little early. I always stand on the outside, and I\u2019ll see if I can come in\u2014 I will come in to sit on the inside.<\/p>\n

Male voice in crowd: <\/b>What about your follow-through, what Mother was talking about?<\/p>\n

Middle-aged woman: <\/b>My follow through will be, I will follow through.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Normally<\/i> she does follow through very well with me, but you ought to make a list (unintelligible phrase) she does her mind, if she\u2019ve had paper, she\u2019d do much better. When I ask something to be done, I\u2019ve never had<\/i> this kind of experience, to ask something to be done and wait two days, I never<\/i> have had it, but I\u2019ll\u2014 I ask\u2014 to whom much is given, much is required. Now that\u2019s\u2014 I have no apologies, I\u2019ve got to depend on some of you people to follow through, \u2018cause some of these people don\u2019t give<\/i> a shit. They don\u2019t give a shit<\/i>, never will.<\/p>\n

Middle-aged woman: <\/b>So I will, I will definitely follow-through, write down<\/i>\u2014 I\u2019ll write down, you know, the things as they come, and, and check them and re-check them to make sure they have been follow through.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay.<\/p>\n

Young man:<\/b> I apologize for being late to meeting tonight, and I won\u2019t be late again. And uh, Charlie, I\u2019d like to say to you, is, I think your attitude generally is crappy<\/i>, um, like, like when you just came up this last (unintelligible word), you came out there where we were cutting wood, and I, I felt that, with your attitude with us, is we<\/i> hadn\u2019t done anything right, no matter what<\/i> you saw, you picked it apart and told us how we could have done it better. And, and that\u2019s true<\/i>, there\u2019s\u2014 I\u2019m\u2014 I know there\u2019s improvements we could make, but, but the way you come off and your attitude with us I thought was nasty<\/i>, and, and the time you were sick, we cut more boards that what had ever been cut on that thing before. And I think you should have gave us credit for that<\/i> instead of coming out and just, just putting us down like you did.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You gotta remember. That\u2019s one thing. You\u2019re a very talented man, but you gotta remember one thing, that if you want youth to grow up, you got to compliment them very<\/i> much, to be assertive. He\u2019s a remarkable<\/i> talented kid himself, and you\u2019ve got to be sure<\/i> that you note\u2014\u00a0take note of all<\/i> of his contributions. I\u2014\u00a0I think he can handle it without<\/i> it, but I think it\u2019s very important that we note the achievements of the young.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right, right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>As for you being late, I think I had you going around showing the vampire bats<\/i>, as I recall. It\u2019s good of you to take the responsibility for being late, but that\u2014 I wanted the people to see these goddamn vampire bats, because they can be\u2014 spread as long as your arm, and they attack you in the bush, if people go out in the bush at night. They won\u2019t<\/i> attack nobody in here. How many saw the vampire bats that he was showing through here? (Pause) You saw the big teeth? (Pause) They grab into your jugular vein and cut it open, until you bleed to death right there.<\/p>\n

Voice in audience: <\/b>They feed on rats (unintelligible end of sentence)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And they feed on rats, that\u2019s how big the sonsabitches are. They\u2014 they eat rats. I\u2019m glad for that<\/i> little favor. Then they got a poison frog<\/i>. Where\u2019s the poison frog?<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>One little touch<\/i> of him, and you\u2019re dead<\/i>, out there in the jungle, too<\/i>. You stay out (voice trails off).<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Voice in audience:<\/b> That lid, that lid\u2019s kind of easy to come off\u00a0 (unintelligible end of sentence)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He is, ah, he\u2019s a poison<\/i> baby. Normally they\u2019re not. Normally they not poisonous. But he, he he\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s his spe\u2014\u00a0is it his\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s his underpa\u2014 it\u2019s his back, isn\u2019t it? He touched it. If you touch it\u2014 There\u2019s the nodules. If any of that poison get you\u2014 That\u2019s what the Indians take\u2014 You won\u2019t get it if you don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0if you stay out of the jungle.<\/p>\n

Voice in audience: <\/b>Paralyze a deer in three to five seconds.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Paralyzes a deer in five seconds. Indians take from those little nodules, a poison put on their dart, and they can stop an army<\/i> with enough of those darts. (Pause) You better take a note of him, you better put him down too, but be careful<\/i>, don\u2019t let him out of the sombitch. \u2018Cause he don\u2019t mean<\/i> to be poisonous. He\u2019s not\u2014 he\u2019s gentle<\/i>, rather gentle kind of creature, (struggles for words) but just touch him\u2014 someway nature\u2019s equipped<\/i> him. It\u2019s one of those evolutionary strange things, why he\u2019s equipped that way and other frogs aren\u2019t, I don\u2019t know. I couldn\u2019t answer that, maybe you can.<\/p>\n

Low voice in audience.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>But he\u2019s, he\u2014<\/p>\n

Low voice in audience:<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hah? Yeah, well, you need, you need to take, they need to take a look<\/i> at him, because those little nodules on his back uh, can uh, do you in. (Pause) And no problem, if you stay out. If you\u2019re doing the work, and doing your work, no problem, you\u2019ll have no problem. But go trying to run away, and there\u2019ll be a goddamn vampire bat and a tiger and<\/i> a fucking frog will get you. \u2018Cause I\u2019ll meditate.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Thank you. Claps.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>There\u2019s somebody\u2014 If I get a chance, if somebody hasn\u2019t shot your ass first<\/i>\u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh (unintelligible word) wait. (Pause) Okay, let\u2019s move on here.<\/p>\n

Youthful black voice: <\/b>I\u2019m\u2014 Tonight I wasn\u2019t on time for service and um, I haven\u2019t listened to the news as much as I should, and Charlie, I agree with Albert [Touchette], what he said, and also, when you\u2019re hostile to one person, it seems like you\u2019re hostile to everybody, and you take your um, hostilities out on people you deal with.<\/p>\n

Young male: <\/b>Um, what I\u2019d like to say to Charlie is, I think you ought to look about the incidents with um, earnest (Jones talks over)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Young male: <\/b>\u2014 because, uh, I think that\u2019s part of your problem, I know that\u2019s one<\/i> problem that I\u2019ve had with me\u2014 with you for, ah, six years now, is, is I don\u2019t think you\u2019re, you\u2019re color conscious enough. I think you need to look at that more. And uh, Joyce, as far as \u2014 I think that you should look about your follow-through, and I also think that, um, you should stop pampering all of us together.<\/p>\n

(Tape cuts out for fifteen seconds)<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Young girl: <\/b>Um, I want to say that I feel guilty for the other night when I watched, um, we was only supposed to watch one movie \u2018cause it was too late, and I watched the second movie, and I feel guilty and I watched the second movie.<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I heard that, I heard that. (Pause) Ah, a clothing manufacturer said, North Korea, it was over at the North Korean Embassy, we\u2019ve become quite friends with communist North Korea, said he would ah, train our people into\u2014 how to manufacture clothes<\/i>. And then we could sell them\u2014<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>This is different. This is different. He\u2019s at the North Korean\u2014 (struggles for words) They\u2019re talking how they did\u2014 This is a businessman<\/i>, locally. We sure need to tell him to do<\/i> that, though, tell him to, to give us an instruction, we can make some clothes<\/i>. (Pause) (Signs) Oh, go ahead.<\/p>\n

Young black woman: <\/b>Um, Dad, you said that uh, tonight about people walking\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Shh. Go ahead, ah\u2014 Huh?<\/p>\n

Young black woman: <\/b>You said tonight about people, the attitude, the way they walked and\u2014 I know that I do um, uh, have a way of, you know, carrying myself that\u2014 I mean, I know<\/i> I don\u2019t know\u2014 I mean, my memory\u2019s very bad, and I don\u2019t know\u2014 I don\u2019t remember the news. I listen to it, but I don\u2019t remember it and um, also\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Take notes<\/i> down. Take notes<\/i>. That\u2019s what I saw Eva doing a while ago, I think. Take notes.<\/p>\n

Young black woman: <\/b>And also about the uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s a good way to do it. Take notes, and then study, then go and (struggles for words). Some of these words, they\u2019ll roll over your head. You<\/i> don\u2019t know what they are. But we \u2014 try to get them down like they sound, and then you can ask<\/i> somebody about them.<\/p>\n

Young black woman: <\/b>Dad, after I take the notes and read them, I still don\u2019t remember it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Disgusted) Oh, come on, now don\u2019t argue with me with this shit now, I<\/i> don\u2019t want to hear no arguing, yeah, as bright as you are? You can\u2019t remember where Zimbabwe is? You can go look at the goddamn map<\/i>. You\u2019d \u2014\u00a0After a while, you\u2019ll know where Zimbabwe is. (Pause) Like you know where your vagina<\/i> is, you\u2019ll know where Rhode\u2014 ah, that\u2014 it takes time. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Young black woman: <\/b>Yes, Father. Um\u2014<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>If you don\u2019t, all you have to do is just go and look at the map<\/i>, and you\u2019ll find it again. Don\u2019t give me no argument, with a brilliant woman like you give me an argument. You got a good mind too. Don\u2019t tell me you can\u2019t remember. I got seniors that can\u2019t read or write<\/i> that can point where Zimbabwe is.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>\u2014 (unintelligible) seems to be lazy.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> Somebody just ask, did she come up here to face herself or to get sympathy.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, that\u2019s true. Say that, say that, (unintelligible name \u2014 Violet?) that\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

More voices.<\/p>\n

Male voice: <\/b>Nooo, a sister over here just said, did you come up here to face yourself, or did you come up to get sympathy\u2014\u00a0symp\u2014<\/p>\n

Sympathy.<\/p>\n

Male voice: <\/b>\u2014 sympathy? I mean, that\u2019s something you\u2019re<\/i> going to have to deal with. You know, \u2018cause, it just dawned on me, everybody\u2019s coming up here and say what they did wrong, you come up, (struggles for words) you can\u2019t do it, don\u2019t<\/i> come up with no stuff like that. You can<\/i> do it if\u2014 Do you want<\/i> to do it? Do you want<\/i> to do it? Well, then, you do it then.<\/p>\n

Young black woman: <\/b>Yes, I do. I will. And may I say, um\u2014<\/p>\n

Unruly noise from crowd.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>Be quiet! Be quiet! Let her say what she\u2019s gotta say. Be quiet. Let her say what she\u2019s gotta say.<\/p>\n

Young black woman: <\/b>\u2014 And I\u2014 I\u2019ve also uh, I\u2019ve get\u2014 been guilty of this uh, problem of, you know, thinking about prejudice. And um, I will uh, um, you know\u2014 I mean, I, like I, I don\u2019t do anything myself but, I mean I have been guilty of looking at some, thinking of, you know, prejudice and uh, I will uh, alter this.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Angry low voice) Shit. What she mean, I made it (tape cuts out for two seconds) goddamn clear with that last question, how she should change her role. Defensive damn people. Go on.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>We gone be here all night. We\u2014\u00a0we gone be here all night. (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Low voices in audience<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(unintelligible) I said all I\u2019m saying to you people. Shift, shift now. Shift. Give me them\u2014\u00a0Any problems, uh, fields, a lot<\/i> of problems. I want\u2014 Is\u2014 Is there Steering tomorrow. Is there Steering tomorrow?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>Revolutionary woman\u2019s meeting.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Revolutionary ring\u2014 wo, wo\u2014 woman\u2019s uh, society. All<\/i> women are to come. (Pause) It should begin, seven o\u2019clock. And after that will be Steering. Women\u2019s revolutionary society, women\u2019s revolutionary socialist movement, patterned after Mrs. Burnham. I want you women to learn how to emancipate yourself, and how not to be dependent upon males to determine your own ego.<\/p>\n

Unruly noise from crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>There\u2019s too many, too many women, too many women here, your social acceptance depends upon a dick.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Your own<\/i> image depends upon how a man sees you, and that is insane<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s high time that this change. Measure of your social acceptability is not what some man thinks of you, but what you<\/i> think of socialism, and how you measure up to socialism. (Pause) Yeah. How you\u2014 much you know about the news, I want you can talk about it, and I want you to know about socialism, and how much character you have. It\u2019s been a disease<\/i>, and we\u2019ve been conditioned<\/i> so long that you judge yourself by how some man judges you. And where did we ever see such juvenile behavior as we\u2019ve seen from the men up here? For Christ\u2019s sakes, only\u2014 only some children coming on, is there any hope in them, there\u2019s a young teenager showing his ass. This young teenager ought to been known better that this, how long has he been with me? His brother Billy looks like a stalwart, but he acts like an asshole. (Pause) How long has he been with me?<\/p>\n

Various voices: <\/b>Way back. Four years. Five years. Six years. Way back.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>So you see the problem going to have to go down to the elementary<\/i> uh, levels in some degrees to get change, so we\u2019re going to have to change<\/i> this, you and (unintelligible) are going to have to learn about yourself, how you regard boy<\/i> babies, how you regard little boys that you deal with, \u2018cause it\u2014 I notice a lot of you deal much differently<\/i> with boys than you do with girls.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And it\u2019s got to change. You got to help each other\u2014\u00a0And don\u2019t give me no shit you\u2019re not coming. Every one of you in them sick mooney-eyed relationships, you better be here.<\/p>\n

Voices.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>If you\u2019re single and going on and minding your nit\u2014\u00a0nitwiting\u2014 mind\u2014 minding your\u2014 minding your business, not acting nitwity\u2014 (Pause) (Sighs: “Oh, brain.”) If you are following the socialist comportment that you should, we\u2019ll not not<\/i> bother with your case, if you\u2019ve got other emergencies<\/i>, but you have to have clearance<\/i> from me. But if you\u2019re in a relationship \u2014 sick, dependent relationship \u2014 you better find your ass there. I will haul<\/i> you out, no matter where you are. I know how many men going to say “Amen” to it, they, they uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014\u2019cause you\u2019re afraid they\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0you\u2019re afraid they\u2019re going to find out\u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Clapping.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Peace. You\u2019re afraid they\u2019re going to find out that they\u2014 if you<\/i> got a right to fuck around, they<\/i> got a right to fuck around. That\u2019s what\u2019s bothering you.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause and cries of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s exactly what\u2019s bothering you. If you really want to hold some relationship, though, you\u2019ll want your sisters, your wives, you\u2019ll want all<\/i> the people here to be emancipated, so you\u2019ll be glad, you\u2019ll be glad\u2014<\/p>\n

Scattered: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay, where are we? What are we doing?<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Could I\u2014 could I say something about the clothing from Korea, what they\u2019ve done in the way of clothing?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Go ahead. I\u2019m sorry (struggles for words), irritation, just irritation with th\u2014 this head\u2014 head so damn heavy. Go ahead. Go ahead, say what you\u2019re going to say.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>All I want to say, when I went to the Korean Embassy, uh, after the, the United States just wiped them out, and of course they won their revolution, they had\u2014 they couldn\u2019t grow cotton, they had no way to make ma\u2014\u00a0materials to make clothing, and so they learned how to make fabric out of wood, and out of limestone<\/i>, and out of reeds<\/i>. Uh, I don\u2019t know what were the kind of reeds that grow across\u2014 around the ocean, but I think it\u2019s very interesting, I don\u2019t know whether this is the same person or not, but at least, maybe they could show us\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He\u2019s a rich, a rich manufacturer here who likes North Korea. He\u2019s a, he\u2019s a bourge\u2014 he\u2019s a businessman, but he, he likes North Korea, and he likes us, so\u2014<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Okay, I don\u2019t know whether he knows\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014compensating for his riches, I don\u2019t know\u2014<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>\u2014 how to make fabric out of wood, but I think it would be a great thing if uh, we could learn how to do that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I agree. I agree. All right, now, tomorrow, the following people please attend: Ava Jones, Sandy Jones, from the leadership coordination, Kay Nelson, Marceline Jones, Terri Buford, Shaunda James \u2014 change his name, not like uh, Clayton, her name\u2019s changed (struggles for words) Dr. Schacht, whatever they make work out, then, I don\u2019t know, her name may be Schacht, I don\u2019t know, I\u2019ll bypass relationship committees often\u2014 Any more bullshit like this, you\u2019ll see me bypassing. (Pause) Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They don\u2019t need\u2014\u00a0They don\u2019t\u2014 They don\u2019t need their relationship approved, it\u2019s already approved. Stanley\u2019s available.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Paula Adams. Jann Gurvich. Teresa King. Carolyn Layton. Debbie Schroeder. Yvette Muldrow. And those are some that are uh, asking for some panel guidance. Everybody is to come. Anita Ijames, oh yes, Anita Ijames. (Pause) The emancipation<\/i> of women, it\u2019s the women\u2019s revolutionary socialist movement. (Pause) (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Low voices in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The panel meets 6:15, the names I just called. Steering panel, yes. Okay now, fields<\/i>. What problems do we have other than we\u2019re not producing? How many heard what I said tonight, you could pass a test? (Pause) Grave concern of Comrade Chaikin\u2019s, other analysts, myself. We\u2019re not<\/i> going to be shifting people from farm work<\/i> production, we\u2019re going to find some that will stick with it, if you will be willing\u2014 is willing to stick with it till we learn it, (Self-evident tone) it\u2019s the only way we\u2019re going to get through. Otherwise, we\u2019re going to have to bring some Guyanese back in here. That\u2019s all. But we can\u2019t, we can\u2019t go on this way. (Pause) Trial and error. (Pause) We can\u2019t do it. (Pause) So those of you that will consider farm work, you\u2019re in some other line, I wish you\u2019d uh, volunteer your name. If you\u2019re not essential to the health, welfare and security of the program, we\u2019ll put you there. (Pause) Janet Wilson, what\u2019s the problem with fields, or what\u2019s the major achievements? Just simple\u2014 simplify.<\/p>\n

Wilson: <\/b>Um, well, one problem we found is um, problem with our rice this week, we have ah, ah, stem bores in them and\u2014\u00a0but we got a formula for Russell and they\u2019re going to be sprayed, we\u2019re going to see what happens to them after that. Um, we\u2019re having\u2014 right now because of the rain and because of uh, certain things that happened, the uh, week ago, uh, some of the land is not ready to be planted yet, but as soon as we can get the, the Cats and the, the plow back on them, we\u2019ll have, we\u2019ll have quite a few acres to plant out. And one of the things that we did today was just plant six, six more acres of kidney beans.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Are we going to be able to plant them?<\/p>\n

Wilson: <\/b>Oh, we did. We planted them today.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, I know the six acres is kidney be\u2014 beans, that\u2019s wonderful, but are we going to be able to plant the land available?<\/p>\n

Wilson: <\/b>Uh, yes, we\u2019re\u2014 we\u2019ve got the stuff to plant it with, and we talked about it in analysts\u2019 meeting last night, and we\u2019re gonna have to bypass the um, the ripping of the land, the subsoiling, because it\u2019s too wet, but uh, after we take out the, the crops that we\u2019re going to put in, then we\u2019ll be able\u2014\u00a0it\u2019ll\u2014 perhaps it\u2019ll be dry enough then, that they can go in and do that.<\/p>\n

Male voice in crowd: <\/b>I have one question. The\u2014 the stuff that we\u2019re going to plant, will it come in season before the rainy season hits, because if things run the way they\u2019re supposed to be, we\u2014\u00a0we should be in rainy season up until August, right?<\/p>\n

Wilson: <\/b>Um, I can\u2019t really answer that, \u2018cause I don\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Male voice in crowd: <\/b>Well, I\u2014<\/p>\n

Another voice: <\/b>(unintelligible) the rainy season, the heavy rains in May and June.<\/p>\n

Male voice in crowd: <\/b>So all the thing I\u2019m ask\u2014 the\u2014 then my question is, the stuff that we\u2019re planting, will it come into, come into uh, to be harvested<\/i> during the rainy season?<\/p>\n

Another voice: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Wilson: <\/b>Uh, yes, yes, some of them will, um, and some will be\u2014<\/p>\n

Male voice in crowd: <\/b>And will we be able to harvest them?<\/p>\n

Wilson: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Male voice in crowd: <\/b>That was\u2014 That\u2019s my\u2014 Okay.<\/p>\n

Wilson: <\/b>Some of them will be growing, even two months after that.<\/p>\n

Another voice at mike: <\/b>We also discussed in the analyst meeting last night that would\u2014 was keeping the seasons in mind, as\u2014 but the way the seasons are jumping around uh, that we do our best to comply with them, but uh, we\u2014 we just have to keep the seasons in mind and, and can plant with them as best we can.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s very difficult\u2014<\/p>\n

The voice in the crowd: <\/b>(unintelligible) the harvest when the rain will tear it up, that\u2019s what I\u2019m saying.<\/p>\n

Speaker: <\/b>Uh, with uh, with beans and stuff like this, we can always use them as a green bean, so that they wouldn\u2019t be a, a waste in that respect. But uh, it\u2019s\u2014\u00a0like you say\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We\u2019re making considerations, then, for what you\u2019re suggesting.<\/p>\n

Speaker: <\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You\u2019re making, uh, making plans for it.<\/p>\n

Speaker: <\/b>Uh, yes, just what we had discussed last night in the meeting, that we were planning in this direction.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay, okay, okay. Now. Kasala, Teena Turner\u2014\u00a0is it true that you went out of uh, out of the farm and (unintelligible phrase) supervisor, Teena Turner?<\/p>\n

Answer too low.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I would imagine<\/i>, after I got through with my pronouncements.<\/p>\n

Low voice in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>When my blood pressure speaks, everybody quakes.<\/p>\n

Turner: <\/b>Dad, um, in the steering meeting that night, um, I really (unintelligible phrase), but um, after that, I found out there was more to cassava, and I found out that we could better<\/i> it and stuff, I decided I wanted to stay in it.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, please<\/i> do, \u2018cause we need some experts, and we\u2019re going to have to have that expertise. We got two agronomists, we got Moton, Comrade Moton who\u2019s an agronomist, and Simpson who knows farming from years, and then we got the obstacles of transferring that knowledge to a different<\/i> zone. We haven\u2019t done that badly, overall, but it\u2019s not good enough.<\/i> Not good enough. What was the yield on uh, cassava, uh, the yield on sweet potatoes, only one-third of its uh, expected yield? (Pause) Isn\u2019t that right? (Unintelligible word) we can\u2019t do this. We can\u2019t do it. Anything else, on cassava?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Um, the only think that I can see \u2014\u00a0I\u2019m not experienced in it at all, but \u2014 that we\u2019re not going to be ready in June, because of the droughts that we\u2019ve had. But now that it\u2019s started raining, the cassava\u2019s really coming up and looking a lot better, though I\u2019m pretty sure that it\u2019s not going to be ready until August or September.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>To be self-sufficient in cassava, we\u2019re not going to be ready until then.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019d like it\u2014 I\u2019d like you to crash thr\u2014 and break through and try all ma\u2014\u00a0means possible to do so.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Pause) Yeah?<\/p>\n

New male voice: <\/b>Um, I\u2019m the one that had formally requested Marguerita Romano, or \u2014 yeah \u2014 to be uh, transferred to education, and I\u2019d\u2014 would want to comply with the will of the people, and this would<\/i> be taking her off the leadership of that cassava crew<\/i>. Um, as I say, I\u2019d rather comply with the will of the people, and uh, I\u2019m not certain how to interpret<\/i> what\u2019s been said, whether this is to include her.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, how to interpret it, I\u2019m afraid what I\u2019m saying is, how interpretive\u2014 we\u2019re not going to eat. We have a remarkable educational department, teaching skeletons, and a hell of a good nursery dealing with bones.<\/p>\n

New male voice: <\/b>I don\u2019t interpret that. I do not interpret that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I hope uh, they start cooking the potato peelings, and not peel them\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They say, to cook the pota\u2014 say it, please, I don\u2019t have (voice trails off as mike passed over)<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Uh. I hope that the people that do the cooking will start now \u2014\u00a0and I\u2019ve already talked to Mary about it \u2014\u00a0(Enunciates) cooking<\/i> the potato peelings. There\u2019s a lot of nutrition in those peelings. (Slow enunciation) And please don\u2019t throw them away. (Slightly peeved) Quit peeling the potatoes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(incredulous) Peeling the potatoes? That\u2019s where all your nutrition\u2014<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted January 1999<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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