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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Side 1<\/a>, Side 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>\u2014get signed on, and Lela Murphy just got out the same day that she passed, to get signed, and then, I don\u2019t know if it was you, but uh, it seems like, the problem was caused at the hospital \u2018cause there were being signed in front of the hospital people.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn Brown: <\/b>Um, was Lela Murphy, um\u2014 I think\u2014 I had Gloria take out\u2014 Gloria\u2019s going to visit him, so I had her take the checks to him. And, what happened\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay, well, why why didn\u2019t I\u2014 I\u2019da left you alone, \u2018cause you work good as a supervisor, and I\u2019m a fair, loving person, you been away from your child. By God, you<\/i> didn\u2019t pay an ounce of attention tonight. You didn\u2019t pay one fucking<\/i> bit of an ounce of attention. (Angrily) I snapped my finger, and you kept on. You kept on ignoring me. (Pause) Now didn\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>That\u2019s right, Dad. That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s right. Distract everybody. Had Ruth Atkins\u2014 she tried to listen (Tape break-up problems for several seconds) take care of things, and still listen. (Tape break-up)<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>I can take you\u2014 I (unintelligible word)\u2014\u00a0I\u2014\u00a0I\u2014 I can tell you\u2014 I can tell you some of the things you said.<\/p>\n

General hubbub. Tape break-up.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Tell me, what clearances were, uh, added to the uh, IMF fund today.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Uh, all\u2014 all I remember about that is that the United States is still held the highest, because if it wasn\u2019t, the whole market would go racky.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Other currencies bolstered, yes, that\u2019s right, that\u2019s right. Now that\u2014\u00a0that\u2019s right. (Pause) What\u2019s the IMF?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>International Monetary Fund.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019s the OECD?<\/p>\n

(Another woman speaking off mike to Jones, probably a nurse taking his blood pressure)<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>160 over 110, well, that\u2019s down from what it was, anyway. Still too high, but\u2014<\/p>\n

Nurse, unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And then it goes back and forth like that, so that\u2019s what it does<\/i>, the blood pressure goes back and forth, it\u2019s higher on one arm, and (Tape break-up) same way. Switch it back and forth. That\u2019s the dangerous aspect of it. I<\/i> shouldn\u2019t be excited. I<\/i> know that. I shouldn\u2019t be put to pressure, but you still<\/i>\u2014 you weren\u2019t uh, paying enough attention, how am I\u2014\u00a0how\u2014\u00a0what is the percentage rate on the d\u2014\u00a0the US dollar? What high\u2014 What percentage is it?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Twelve\u2014\u00a0twelve percent, um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No no no no. Thirty-three per cent (Pause) What\u2014 what currency was dropped from the International Monetary Fund today? \u2018Cause you\u2019re a bright<\/i> woman, I can expect you to know more. If you\u2019d concentrate<\/i>, you\u2019d know all of this. \u2018Cause you\u2019re a bright woman. What cu\u2014 What currencies were taken out of the International Monetary Fund? \u2018Cause they lost uh, value and uh, economic uh, respect. (Pause) Which is encouraging to the liberation forces of Africa. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(Tape feedback and break-up results in silent tape for half a minute)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014 that\u2019s the way they stabilize the world from going into a depression<\/i>. What Nigeria\u2014\u00a0What happened to Nigeria today?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Um\u2014 They were\u2014\u00a0All right\u2014 it is\u2014 it backed\u00a0something<\/i>\u2014\u00a0What happened was, they\u2014 they\u2014\u00a0they were winning. They are winning, um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Nigeria\u2019s winning?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Well. I guess not. I\u2019m wrong.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah. You don\u2019t know what you\u2019re talking about?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Nigeria\u2019s one of the richest nations in Africa, it\u2019s already<\/i> won. (Pause) Nigeria. (Pause) What happened in Nigeria today?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>I don\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Anybody in that line know what happened in Nigeria today? No no (stumbles over words) I\u2019m not\u2014 People up\u2014 All the people up there. Whobody knows? All you not here, listening, (unintelligible word) know. I said it was one of the most important events in the world news today. (Pause) What was another<\/i> im\u2014 important event in the world news today, Jocelyn?<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>Um, in It\u2014 um, in Italy\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s not the\u2014 I mentioned three basic important aspects of, of news<\/i> in the world today. (Pause) Anybody in the line know? (Pause) See? This is disgraceful<\/i>. This is utterly and completely, totally<\/i> disgraceful. (Pause) You\u2019d think that I was to\u2014\u00a0You\u2019d think you were doing me a service<\/i> to listen to this shit. I\u2019m only trying to equip you for the day that I finally fall over with a stroke, and the movement has to continue without me. (Pause) And then you do<\/i> that to me. (Pause) \u2018Cause without knowledge, you cannot maintain a movement, without<\/i> knowledge. We got people here that\u2019ll see<\/i> it\u2019s maintained, in the transition. They\u2019ll see<\/i> that nobody causes you any shit<\/i>. But you gotta have people with knowledge to maintain the movement. (Pause) I don\u2019t have<\/i> to go, but I will go, at this rate. (Pause) These small strokes, mor\u2014 norm\u2014 normal people don\u2019t get<\/i> warning. I have strokes, and\u2014 Hmm? (talks to nurse, fades in) \u2014\u00a0went down, it looks better. Well, give me just something to ease the pain, so I can think, (struggles for words) that\u2019s the enormous pain, I don\u2019t take hardly anything for pain, but\u2014 and you<\/i> care\u2014\u00a0all you with the bright minds, sittin\u2019 there laughin\u2019, pussy-footin\u2019 ass around. What\u2014 You<\/i> tell me something that\u2019s most important event in the world news?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>In South Africa today, they um\u2014 it\u2019s\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s boarded all around, the planes\u2014 uh, a certain part of the land, it\u2019s called Tickanagra, I think it\u2019s Tickanagra, they\u2019ve separated from South Africa, they\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Who?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I believe<\/i> the part of the land that\u2014 that\u2019s separated from South Africa, it\u2014 it has the enemies all around, it\u2019s Tickanagra?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>TransSky.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>TransSky. And they\u2014 they don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0they don\u2019t care anymore, they\u2019re just going to fight anyway, even though the planes can\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Didn\u2019t know they was going to get any assistance at all, didn\u2019t know whether\u2014 and how\u2019d they get s\u2014 how\u2019d they get some assistance to know if they\u2019re going to eat<\/i> for the next few days?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I believe that uh, Russia is going to help them?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Talking to medical staff) Not the doctor. Could somebody else hold this mother fucker? Where is every\u2014 (struggles for words) It\u2019s not uh, Johnny\u2019s place in here. You people who ought to help, though, can take\u2014\u00a0everything here\u2014\u00a0(Voice assured) I like structure. I like organization. The movement<\/i> stays alive by organization. You going to have to have organization that functions without me demanding<\/i> it to function. (Unintelligible word) gotta function. You say, I don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0what the hell am I<\/i> gonna care about, when I\u2019m dead? I\u2019m trying to think of you<\/i>. When I\u2019m dead, I won\u2019t know anything. It\u2019s over with. (Talking to medical staff) I can get it, ordinarily, just have a little weakness when I have this pressure. (Sound of discomfort) Oh, shit.<\/p>\n

Nursing staff talks low.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Anyway. Well, I got it\u2014 I\u2014\u00a0I\u2019m ke\u2014\u00a0I want to keep functioning as long as I can. That\u2019s why I want things to work for<\/i> me. I\u2019ll do better that way. Psychologically. (Sighs.) Okay, now what with three\u2014 (struggles for words). TransSky, that\u2019s one of the major world events, yes. That\u2019s a major world event. But who, who was it? Who was\u2014 anybody in the line? Who\u2014\u00a0what\u2014\u00a0what nation made it singularly<\/i> possible today with stepped-up aid because\u2014\u00a0for two countries, they stepped up aid. An unsuspected source has stepped up aid. (Pause) That\u2019s why they were able to\u2014 and how did they get that aid into TransSky, right in the middle of the Union of South Africa?<\/p>\n

Youth: <\/b>Wasn\u2019t it Angola, one of them?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Peevish) Now you guys aren\u2019t listening. You\u2014 you\u2019re guessing<\/i>. Wasn\u2019t a word said<\/i> about Angola today. And you\u2019re bright too. You\u2014 very bright people. No excuses. You\u2019re way above the average of intelligence, all of you. Everybody in that goddamn line. (Pause) And don\u2019t know shit. (Pause) Let\u2019s try again. (Pause) Finland<\/i>. Did you hear me say anything about Finland?<\/p>\n

Few murmurs in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Finland\u2019s for\u2014 prime minister [Taisto Kalevi Sorsa] went to Zambia, and giving direct food aid, direct economic assistance and\u2014 Zambia and Tanzania\u2014\u00a0Finland, prime minister meeting with the prime minister of Tanzania and uh\u2014 well, this cause my blood pressure to rise, just talk on this (unintelligible word) shit, keeping all this in my mind. Whew! Tanzania and Zambia, meeting\u2014 their prime ministers\u2019 meeting with the prime minister of Finland, and Finland give them enough funding that they were able to take a great<\/i> portion of their own food supplies and drop it by parachute in\u2014 with Russian<\/i> planes. That\u2019s the part of Russia. Zambia\u2019s equipped with Russian planes. They dropped it into uh, TransSky. Now what was another significant (struggles for words). Anybody tell me what happened in Nigeria? Anybody in the line?<\/p>\n

Few murmurs in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, how many out there<\/i> know what happened in Nigeria? (Pause) (Disgusted) Ain\u2019t this the shits? This is the miserable shits. This is the miserable shits. Some of them\u2014\u00a0the couple of coordinators, perhaps doing something that they shouldn\u2019t been doing, were late. They couldn\u2019t\u2014 They couldn\u2019t hear it, but that\u2019s\u2014 that\u2019s the mistake. That\u2019s what they all do. So they take advantage of it. They look around, they see who\u2019s here. No<\/i>\u2014 nobody out there knows. This is miserable. (Pause) Sixteen, seventeen people out of this entire audience that knows what happened in Nigeria.<\/p>\n

Voice (nurse) talks out of range.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019d you want to tell me?<\/p>\n

Nurse: <\/b>I just want to tell you, that\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Angry) Don\u2019t tell me nothing about the P.A. system. These people were under here, I tested it. I tested<\/i> it this time. They can hear it. I don\u2019t care what went off out there. This was a captive audience that heard this.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd too soft.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>\u2014 on down there.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It was on here. I don\u2019t give a shit where it was not<\/i> on. In here, it was on. And all that great body of ignoranimuses who want to stay ignorant because it\u2019s convenient, didn\u2019t hear a word. (Pause) (Calls out) You went up there and looked at the map. I\u2014 I mentioned it five, six, seven, eight times. And the people\u2014\u00a0the sisters pointed it out, brothers put their stick on it, and pointed out where it was. Nigeria. Anybody know what went on in Nigeria? (Pause) Okay. That\u2019s about 21 hands. If I\u2019m lucky. Let\u2019s see again. Nigeria. Some\u2014 some of \u2018em lying. I can tell the way you\u2019re holding your hand, you\u2019re lying. (Pause) What happened in Nigeria, Ronnie [Dennis]?<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>Ni\u2014 (Pause) (Confidently) President Carter came over to Nigeria to meet with some of the uh, the big businessmen, big businessmen there and uh, and as a disguise\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Interrupting) That\u2019s all he did. That\u2019s what he did.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>\u2014as a dis\u2014\u00a0and as\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No no no. You\u2014 you\u2014 you\u2019re telling the dis\u2014 oh, yeah, go ahead, I\u2014 go ahead, I hear it.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>And as a disguise, you know, he, he came over there as, you know, as in peace<\/i>, as for a, a peace thing.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Black majority rule.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>Yeah, mac\u2014 black majority rule, and\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He met in Lagos, uh, the capital with the president of Nigeria [Olusegun Obasanjo, head of military government] \u2014<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>Right. And he uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014 saying he was over there on behalf uh, black majority rule.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>Right. And the president found\u2014 the president of Nigeria found out, and he said\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That he met what?<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>Excuse me. I didn\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>But you just told it. You just told that, what, that his true<\/i> purpose was what you said. He met with the bankers and industrialists in a secret<\/i> meeting in the uh, Nigerian Hilton Hotel. I had to get all the details of this shit in. I didn\u2019t give you that, though.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>Right. Right. And he said, he\u2014\u00a0he rejected, he rejected, um, Carter\u2019s\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Interrupting) Janitors\u2014 (unintelligible)\u2014 By the way, janitors of the hotel were members of the intelligence<\/i> division, and the waiter and waitresses were me\u2014 members of the intelligence<\/i> division of Nigeria. So they caught<\/i> Carter\u2019s ass smack drag out\u2014 caught<\/i> him. Con\u2014\u00a0confi\u2014\u00a0confabbing with the\u2014 the power elite. You don\u2019t like security? If they hadn\u2019t had security, Nigeria would\u2019ve been undermined<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Everybody was spying on everybody, and they caught<\/i> their ass right in the hotel suite.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>And by finding out this information, he\u2014 he rejected\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What was\u2014 What was Carter trying to really<\/i> get done?<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>He was\u2014\u00a0He was trying to get the minerals, because, uh, the raw materials and resources of\u2014\u00a0of Nigeria\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Undoubtedly. But there\u2019s something specific<\/i> he was trying to get done this<\/i> time.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>The oil.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>He was trying to get all of\u2014 Nigeria\u2019s very, very rich country in oil. And\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And trying to get them to do what? About their oil price?<\/p>\n

Murmurs in crowd.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>They wanted the\u2014\u00a0He wanted them to keep the price\u2014 He wanted to lower the prices.<\/p>\n

Yeah.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>Excuse me.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2018Cause uh, Nigeria\u2019s in\u2014 in OPEC. And what is OPEC? Anybody know what OPEC is? (Pause) Okay, uh, Reb?<\/p>\n

James “Reb” Edwards: <\/b>All the oil tank nations.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Wh\u2014 What\u2019s it mean? OPEC?<\/p>\n

Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What is it? Say\u2014\u00a0say what?<\/p>\n

Jackson: <\/b>\u2014importing countries.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Jackson?<\/p>\n

Jackson: <\/b>\u2014importing countries.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, what is it? Who, who are members of OPEC?<\/p>\n

Jackson: <\/b>Uh, you\u2014 I mean uh, (Pause) Ven\u2014 Venezuela uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s right next to us, ten miles over here, right through the woods, here, ten miles.<\/p>\n

Jackson: <\/b>Nigeria?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Nigeria. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jackson: <\/b>Uh, Saudi Arabia.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Female voice in crowd: <\/b>Iran. Iran.<\/p>\n

General hubbub. Tape break-up<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes, you may. (Pause) They trying to buffalo the, uh, Third World to gi\u2014 to lower the prices of oil. Trying to use the black man to be the patsy again, right?<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Keep the prices low on oil. (Pause) And Nigeria didn\u2019t fall<\/i> for it. Okay, that\u2019s Nigeria taken care of, in essence. And sure<\/i>, Carter was trying to make other de\u2014\u00a0ge\u2014\u00a0deals that didn\u2019t come to light in the press, didn\u2019t come to light in the press. I don\u2019t know what other deals he\u2019s trying to do. But what did\u2014\u00a0what did the president of Nigeria te\u2014 do?<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>He said\u2014\u00a0he said that he doesn\u2019t trust Carter\u2019s regime.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s exact<\/i> words. He doesn\u2019t trust Carter\u2019s regime, and that\u00a0all<\/i> accords reached last week \u2014 and we don\u2019t know what they are \u2014 have all been canceled. (Summarily) All<\/i> agreements between Nigeria and USA that were achieved last week have been canceled.<\/p>\n

Man talks too low.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Nuh. It\u2019s always high, so what the hell? Anyway, um\u2014 (Pause) Now what were the oth\u2014 what were the other significant world events? There\u2019s two more\u2014 there was\u2014 there\u2014 there\u2019s another one, highly<\/i> significant event. Lew\u2014\u00a0okay, Ronnie, you showed you\u2019re<\/i> listening. Anybody in this line<\/i> here know what it is\u2014 the other significant event. (Pause) (Calls out) Who else knows out there what the other significant event? Tom Kice.<\/p>\n

Kice: <\/b>Um, the Soviet Union has a device to knock out all satellites (hubbub overwhelms him)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>How do we know it?<\/p>\n

Kice: <\/b>How do we know it?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, how do we\u2014\u00a0how\u2014\u00a0how were we told?<\/p>\n

Kice: <\/b>Okay, I wrote it down, but I don\u2019t remember what\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, you did a pretty good job, you showed it in your writing, Tom. I\u2019m im\u2014\u00a0impressed with your\u2014 on your planned uh\u2014\u00a0some of your plans uh, how to (pause) (Sighs) oh, deal with enemies. I\u2019m\u2014 see growth in your comprehension of political knowledge was one of my encouraging<\/i> things today. In the transition, as you said, if it was uh, I believe you said, no matter who is taking charge (struggles for words) you\u2019d uh\u2014\u00a0whoever I left in charge, sonofabitch better not interfere<\/i> with them. And I kinda like that kind of thought. There was several<\/i> of you come up with that type of thinking, that nobody better try to disrupt<\/i> uh, whoever<\/i>, woman or man, I think you put it, didn\u2019t make no difference, who<\/i> it was in charge. Better not be no shit<\/i>. And uh, that\u2019s<\/i> the kind of thing gives me some ease. \u2018Cause you see, lot of you people think I\u2019m trying to build something. I know I\u2019m a dying man. (Pause) (Voice rises throughout following) I\u2019m not trying to build anything<\/i>, except something for you<\/i>. I don\u2019t mean today or tomorrow, but I\u2019m\u2014 I\u2019m over the hill<\/i>. And if you let\u2014 follow the doctor\u2019s advice and quit bothering me with a bunch of shit, and quit lying to me. Nothing gets me as you lie to me. Take me for a fool. You write up and say, I\u2019m worried about my child, when it\u2019s you<\/i> (struggles for words) you<\/i>\u2014 you\u2019re the one that\u2019s confusing your child. (Pause) You use your child as a weapon. Your own uncertainties and\u2014 and your own instability, and your own, uh, disillusionment. I\u2019m<\/i> disillusioned. I<\/i> understand your disillusionment, but\u2014 but don\u2019t<\/i> get your child whipped into it. I had four or five examples of that today, through counseling. My child\u2019s having this problem, my child\u2019s having that problem. What basically is it\u2019s you<\/i> that\u2019s having the problem. \u2018Cause when you\u2019re<\/i> stabilized, your child<\/i> will be stabilized. I guarantee<\/i> you, if you get happy, you can make your child<\/i> happy.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I know that for absolute fact, and don\u2019t lie to me.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Voice moderates) So you use your child to manipulate whatever in the hell you<\/i> want. And\u2014\u00a0and I don\u2019t like that. It upsets me when people take me for a fool, and lie<\/i> to themselves and to the organization. \u2018Cause I represent you, the will<\/i> of the people. No, I don\u2019t know that I represent the will<\/i> of the people, I represent the best interest<\/i> of the people. The will of the people probably be to destroy<\/i> their fool selves. You still<\/i> don\u2019t realize that you\u2019ve got nothing at all, unless you have solidarity, unless the people are united, to protect each other, you\u2019ve got nothing. You\u2019re doomed<\/i>. Yes, uh, Lew, what was you going to say?<\/p>\n

Lew: <\/b>Yesterday night, that\u2014\u00a0you said that um, U.S., um, Air Force was getting ready for a nuclear war, but um, the rest\u2014 the rest of it, I didn\u2019t get.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s right, that\u2019s right, I said they might<\/i> be, \u2018cause they put their SAC forces in\u2014where\u2019d they put their SAC forces\u2014 their high\u2014 the Strategic Air Command forces, their first strike nuclear forces, they\u2014 where\u2019d they land them? (Pause) Hmm? Yes, Joe.<\/p>\n

Joe: <\/b>Somalia.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Somalia. Somalia. Yes. You in aching and pain, body racked, and you remember. You\u2014\u00a0Every question, you\u2019ve had your hand up. You know what\u2019s going on. Somalia. Somalia. Why\u2014 what happened in Somalia? Damn near happened, would\u2019ve been a success. (Pause) You\u2014 Ronnie, I like that, you got your hand up all the time. Some of you got your hand up all the time\u2014 but look at this<\/i>, this is pitiful. (Complains) This is pitiful. Fifteen hands in the goddamn place. It\u2019s pitiful. Sharon Jones?<\/p>\n

Sharon: <\/b>It almost became socialist today.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Almost became socialist, and how? [Mary Ann] Casanova? How? (Pause) I don\u2019t know all your new names, don\u2019t expect me to do remember, I\u2019ll just have to call you with whatever I remember you last?<\/p>\n

Casanova: <\/b>I don\u2019t remember how it was taken over, but um, it was stopped<\/i> by the U.S. military force\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(World weary tone) CIA. CIA infiltration and money stopped it. But who\u2014 how did it almost happen? Mike?<\/p>\n

Mike: <\/b>They had a military coup, and 17 officers are now under arrest\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s right. Seventeen officers. Seventeen generals and colonels have been arrested by the Somalian officials who were socialists<\/i>, who were trying to overthrow the government and unite Somalia and Ethiopia in one uh, united re\u2014 socialist republic. That was their aim. And they got\u2014 they lost<\/i>. That\u2019s kind of a good communist. They lost, but they\u2019re\u2014 and then, they\u2019ll die<\/i>. The gallows<\/i> will\u2014 will\u2014\u00a0they\u2019ll be\u2014 that\u2019ll be their fate. But what\u2019s the difference? They did what was right. (Pause) Tomorrow somebody will succeed. Some tomorrow, down the road, Somalia can\u2019t\u2014\u00a0Somalia won\u2019t last. (Pause) Principle\u2019s what\u2019s right. You win some, you lose some. But you always know that what\u2019s right is the important thing. Yes, uh, Mark? (Pause) Martin, I mean.<\/p>\n

Martin: <\/b>You also said\u2014\u00a0Uh, you\u2014\u00a0you also said that the um, that the Japanese and the um, West Germans took their um, took their um, their thing, um\u2014 their, um, their trade and stuff out from away from the USA.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, that\u2019s yesterday<\/i>. I said today, though, the Japanese\u2014\u00a0that\u2019s good, that you even notice those things\u2014 there\u2019s a trade<\/i> war going on between Japan, Germany and the U\u2014\u00a0USA, particularly Japanese, because they\u2019re the most successful. Why are the Japanese more successful? (Pause) Hmm?<\/p>\n

Voice too low.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, somebody in the line? Carter? What is it?<\/p>\n

Carter: <\/b>They produce their, their um, items more cheaply and sell them more cheaply on the market.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They sell more than they buy. (Pause) In spite of being a small nation, they sell more than they buy. Little bunch of islands, and they sell more than they buy. And even so<\/i>, capitalism\u2019s faltering there. Unrest\u2014 what happened in Japan to show how much unrest there is, and how much bru\u2014 brutality by the uh, oppressive rich classes? What happened in Japan, just in the last few days? Yes, Carol, what happened?<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>Um, there\u2014 about the\u2014\u00a0the one thing I remember of Japan is about the airport?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s right. What happened?<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>The uh, people protested because, Japan, they took farmlands and made an um, an interna\u2014 national airport, and the peo\u2014\u00a0people destroyed the tower, so they put it out, they couldn\u2019t use the air\u2014 airport because they\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Interrupting) \u2014\u00a0the sound dangered the lives and hearing<\/i> of people in the noi\u2014 in the uh, surrounding areas. And what happened?<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>The people, they um, they went and they tore down the uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What people? They were led by 6000 farmers led by what?<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>Led by the Red Bri\u2014 (stumbles for words)\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The Red Brigade\u2019s in Italy.<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>The socialist\u2014\u00a0The revolutionary\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ja\u2014 Japan\u2014 Japan, they calls themselves something else. Red something.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>Red Army.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Red Army. They\u2019re the ones that have m\u2014 successfully hijacked every plane they\u2019ve ever taken. Japanese Red Army\u2019s highly<\/i> keen. They take a fuckin\u2019 plane, they get their demands. Every demand they\u2019ve made, they take a goddamn plane, hostages, they asked\u2014 the J\u2014 Japanese got more sense, or maybe a little more humanitarianism, I don\u2019t know. But everything they uh, they\u2014 they demand<\/i>, they asked, the last time, sixteen million dollars and 21 people released from prison, they got it. The Red Army knows what they\u2019re doing when they take over a plane. Who\u2014 who were these two fools today that I told you about<\/i>, uh, being afraid of sharks the other day, what happened to two fools afraid of sharks the other day? (Pause) Made a st\u2014 important analogy. Yes, Ron? What is it? What is it?<\/p>\n

Ron: <\/b>They\u2019re being sentenced, sentenced to be hanged.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, gonna die<\/i> on June first. And what\u2014\u00a0they had\u2014 they had that plane running all around through the Me\u2014\u00a0Mediterranean, and uh, they were offered sanctuary someplace. Where was it?<\/p>\n

Ron: <\/b>It was Cyprus.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Two Cypriot\u2014 Two Palestinian Liberation Front members, Arab members, and they were, uh, they were\u2014\u00a0they took<\/i> over an Egyptian plane and killed a Egyptian publisher in uh, Nicosia, Cyprus. You better find it in the ah\u2014 out there, right in the Mediterranean, just above Africa. An island. And they took over the plane, and they run it all through the Mediterranean, where\u2019d they try to go, uh, (unintelligible name\u2014\u00a0March?), where\u2019d they try to go?<\/p>\n

March: <\/b>I didn\u2019t\u2014 I wasn\u2019t around (rest of sentence unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I can\u2019t hear you, whatever you said, but uh, okay. We\u2019ll move on rapidly. What happened? They tried to land in Libya<\/i>, they tried to land in all kinds of place, they couldn\u2019t make it to Yemen, which is a socialist ri\u2014 oil-rich nation, they couldn\u2019t get down there. Didn\u2019t have enough gas, so they were offered some\u2014 one<\/i> place they wouldn\u2019t go. King. Teresa King.<\/p>\n

Teresa: <\/b>Syria.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Syria. Why wouldn\u2019t they go? (Pause) \u2018Cause it was backed by the atheistic Soviets. And they were Mo\u2014 They were Moslem socialist, right?<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Uh\u2014 dumb ass Mohammedans, that believed in God, and uh, that\u2014 their belief in God got \u2018em killed. Then the ch\u2014 the captain threatened to land the sonofabitch in the sea<\/i>\u2014 (Pause) and they\u2019d been better off<\/i> \u2018cause they could\u2019ve taken off on a b\u2014\u00a0on some rafts<\/i> and gotten out of it. Or at least they could\u2019ve died<\/i> in some dignity. Killed all the sonofabitches with them, they give\u2014 they gave\u2014\u00a0they gave the opportunity for a big White Night, to make a hero of himself. Who was he? I oughta kill that prick. I like the adventurous\u2014 I\u2019d like to sh\u2014 see them all shot. Who<\/i> was the big White Night?<\/p>\n

Murmurs from crowd<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The captain of the airline. He volunteered\u2014\u00a0he said he\u2019d be able to outwit them\u2014 and\u2014 and he did<\/i>, with their fears.<\/p>\n

Voice from crowd:<\/b> \u2014\u00a0took a buddy with them.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Take a huh?<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Took a buddy with him, too, when he was\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, took a buddy, and said he left his wife home and\u2014 great big adventure, wild west s\u2014 story. He gets to win, \u2018cause he\u2019s too\u2014\u00a0(World weary) Wait, how did he scare \u2018em? How\u2019d he scare \u2018em?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>He said he\u2019d go\u2014 He said he\u2019d land in the water, and that they\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019d he scare them about the water?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Sharks. Sharks.<\/p>\n

Other voices: <\/b>Sharks.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Disgusted) Sharks. Any fuckin\u2019 socialist afraid of sharks.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>So he went\u2014\u00a0They agreed to go back to where they started from.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They went right back to the airlines, and the international pressure was put on Cyprus, and now they\u2019re gonna\u2014\u00a0they\u2019re gonna die by hanging on June first, and then, if they hadn\u2019t been religious<\/i>, hadn\u2019t believed in God, and Islam, and all that Mohammeded shit, like uh, we knew the Black Muslims by\u2014 up next to us that\u2019re now in the International uh, Muslim League. Imam Wallace Deen Muhammad. If they had not listened to that bullshit, they woulda been in Syria, safe, because the Prime Minister of Syria [Mohammed Ali Al-Halabi], that\u2019s pro-Soviet, offered them sanctuary. But they don\u2019t like the Soviet Union, because Soviet Union is communist and atheist. So let \u2018em die. Let the fuckers hang. I hope they die. I hope they die slow. Any pricks that haven\u2019t got no more backbone than that ought to die.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2018Fraid of sharks. Take over an airplane and be afraid of sharks. But the Red Army\u2019s<\/i> afraid of nothing<\/i>, in Japan. The Red Army, when it<\/i> takes over a goddamn plane, it means business<\/i>, and everybody in the world<\/i> knows it means business. And when they<\/i> say, by God, we want sixteen million dollars or twenty-six million dollars, or we want 55 people released from prison, that\u2019s<\/i> what they<\/i> get. Maybe they\u2019ll\u2014 if they threaten to burn the whole goddamn airplane up. They landed in Bangko\u2014 Where\u2019d they land? I give you some news, not long ago. They landed someplace, and at the same time<\/i>, there was a revolution taking place. (Pause) And they didn\u2019t lose their cool.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Bangladesh?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Hmm?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Bangladesh?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Pakistan<\/i>! They landed their goddamn airplane in Pakistan, the Japanese did, under hostage, and a sonofabitching revolution was taking place in Pakistan. Guns shootin\u2019 and fire ragin\u2019 and planes burnin\u2019, and the Red Brigade just kept their cool. Anybody else<\/i> woulda thought they were coming after them. Everybody fired<\/i> on their plane, but they kept their cool. They never\u2014\u00a0they never got nervous about it, and made their demands and got\u2014 they\u2014 they got what they wanted. (Pause) I\u2019d like to know more about the Red Army. I\u2019ve s\u2014\u00a0They\u2019ve\u2014\u00a0They\u2019ve pulled off five<\/i> successful hijackings that I know. And released a hundred and (pauses) sixty or a hundred and eighty some political prisoners, and have put in the coffers of\u2014 and the Red Army, the way\u2014\u00a0I love the way they work in Japan. Out of their\u2014 whatever they do<\/i>, they funnel it through all other uh, revolutionary groups. Palestinian Liberation Front gets so much, this and that and the other, they work for anyone. (Tape break-up) group, I\u2019d like to know more about those Japanese boys. They sure got (Tape break-up) million<\/i> US dollars (Tape break-up) interest, and just demanding. Don\u2019t you\u2014 They\u2014 They don\u2019t let no civilians off the plane. They don\u2019t let nobody. Say, babies die? Old people die. Give us the money. You don\u2019t give a shit about the old people that are uh, socialist, you don\u2019t give a shit about communist se\u2014\u00a0uh, children, so they all die<\/i>. Don\u2019t move. Don\u2019t come near the plane. We\u2019ll blow us all up. (Calls out) And, that\u2019s the difference. Everybody knows when a person\u2019s an atheist and a real true Red, a true communist. He means business<\/i>. Don\u2019t<\/i> move against this plane. But you got all this uh, idealistic uh, morality and all this bullshit fear. You can\u2019t pull off nothing. Lot of you won\u2019t be able to stand, \u2018cause you\u2019re afraid. (Voice rises) What the hell you got worse than living? Life<\/i> is a disease<\/i>, and the only fuckin\u2019 cure for it is death<\/i>. And any form that it takes, the\u2014 the\u2014 the, cure, death, any<\/i> form it takes will be better than the disease. And you don\u2019t understand it, \u2018cause you say, that\u2019s right, about eight, nine people said, that\u2019s right. I said, Life is a fuckin\u2019 disease<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s worse than cancer. It\u2019s a disease<\/i>. And there\u2019s only one cure<\/i> for the sonofabitchin\u2019 disease. That\u2019s death<\/i>. And socialists can only take one form of death. What is it? Fight a goddamn war, or revolutionary suicide. If you don\u2019t believe life\u2019s a disease, then you\u2019re dumb. (Pause) Very dumb. (Pause) You look at life and see how many times you\u2019ve lost your momma, how many mommas have you lost, have many daddies have you lost, how many lost your momma or your daddy already? How many lost your brothers and sisters? How many lost husband or wife? (Voice quietens.) Everybody here\u2019s lost somebody.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>How many been near death? (Pause) Hmm. Look around, and see those that\u2019ve been blinded amongst us, by uh, capitalists. Look at those that are crippled<\/i> amongst us. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Single voice: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Then look at \u2018em, some of them, they can\u2019t hardly walk, that will get every bit of the news, like Joe. (Pause) You think that\u2019s a fair universe? Huh-unh. I didn\u2019t make it, honey, I just try to keep it. If I\u2019d known him when he was a baby, I probably could have done a lot of things for him, when the disease began. But he don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0he didn\u2019t ask for no favors. He\u2019s holding on, and never once asked me for anything. (Pause) That\u2019s right. Working. Typing. Was a guard\u2014 the best guard we had. Couldn\u2019t get around. Best guard.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s true. Did his job. But I hate<\/i> a universe like that, so I consider disease<\/i>. I think it\u2019s an accident. Universe is an accident. I don\u2019t believe in any kind of de\u2014 grand design. There may be some mental insanity about threes<\/i>, but I don\u2019t believe in any grand, good design. Too much disorder. Too much pain. Too much suffering. (Voice rises to cry.) But there\u2019s still too much religiosity and idealism in you people, because every time I talk on death, you\u2019d think I was squeezing your tittie, or your dick.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Every time. Every time I do it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Wish to hell<\/i> you could get over that. Shift, please. (Pause) No way<\/i> death came. No way that death came that wouldn\u2019t be better<\/i> than the disease. (Pause) That\u2019s right. I got eight\u2014 I got five, six, “that\u2019s right\u2019s”.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thank you. (Pause) Say, well, I want to fuck some more. Well, better fuck good tonight, because she may be fuckin\u2019 somebody else.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

One woman: <\/b>That\u2019s the damn truth, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Better fuck him well. \u2018Cause if you go to Georgetown, he\u2019ll be with somebody else. Oh<\/i> yes.<\/p>\n

Same woman: <\/b>That\u2019s right, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b> So you better enjoy you\u2014 You say, I\u2014\u00a0I want to stay alive for a fuck. Would you like to fuck if you knew she was fuckin\u2019 somebody else?<\/p>\n

End of side one.<\/p>\n

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Side 2.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You thought she\u2019d just take it and put up with it. Got anything to tell these brothers? She told you to get lost, \u2018cause she\u2019s back there with the doctor. Shit, she\u2019s a fast operator, I didn\u2019t\u2014 this is\u2014\u00a0this is\u2014 this is quicker.<\/p>\n

One voice: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>So you can tell some other body\u2014 person not to be a fool. Do you\u2014\u00a0Do you\u2014 Tonight, do you feel like life is a disease?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You\u2019d like to die, wouldn\u2019t you, tonight.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, that\u2019s the way life is<\/i>, son. You just be grateful, because you just found out the truth, \u2018cause everybody thinks they\u2019re in love tonight, next week, somebody\u2019s gonna fall out with them. And the more you see each other, (knowing laugh) the less they love you.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right. Applause.<\/p>\n

One voice: <\/b>That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

One voice: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Everybody got all<\/i> upset over the fuck house. All<\/i> upset. Only way you\u2019d like each other, if you had a fuck house.<\/p>\n

Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You want to kill each other right now, and you\u2019re killing each other, dying, living with each other 24 hours a day. You\u2019d been better off if you had a fuck house, where (stumbles over words) we might be able to get on with the revolution<\/i> better.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And, I don\u2019t know, that\u2019s probably why it\u2019s better for some folk, that we don\u2019t<\/i> have fuck house, because you\u2019re so goddamn anxious to get out, away from your husband or wife, that you\u2019d fight a revolution.<\/p>\n

Laughter. Applause.<\/p>\n

One woman: <\/b>(Shouts) That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019m\u2014 I\u2019m really impressed with people like uh, some of these people like Kice and others that said, I\u2019ve lost it,<\/i> I don\u2019t give a shit about it. I\u2019ve had it. Fuck won\u2019t come<\/i> no more. (stumbles over words) You watch, now, if I die with those<\/i> people. (Pause) And all\u2019s they got is kids<\/i> left. It\u2019s the only thing you have difficulty with, is killing his own kid. Now he<\/i> won\u2019t have to do that. He<\/i> won\u2019t have to do tha\u2014 He won\u2019t have to do that. Most everyone won\u2019t have to worry about killing your kids, ah, it won\u2019t be that heavy. But there some folk around here today that found out the fuck, it ain\u2019t there<\/i>. And the fuck ain\u2019t worth what it was, that they thought<\/i> it was. So if I drop over, don\u2019t start nothing. (Pause) Don\u2019t start nothing. You may not<\/i> want to listen to Mother, you may not listen to whoever you want\u2014 whoever\u2014 want to listen, whoever I put in charge<\/i>. But you\u2019ll listen. Mao\u2014 Mao said, out of the barrel of a gun, that gun\u2019ll be right up your ass\u2014 right up behind your ass. (stumbles over words) \u2014that night. (short laugh) Better not run<\/i> that night. I\u2019m doing you a favor, because the only thing that I can give you is that solidarity, because you run away\u2014 if you run away and go back, they\u2019ll hound you all the rest of days, \u2018cause they\u2019ll\u2014 you\u2019ll never<\/i> explain why you stayed with this communist so long. (Pause) They\u2019ll never get\u2014 let you die<\/i>. They\u2019ll never let you die. Elaine Brown did all<\/i> she could do \u2014 sweet, pretty singer Elaine Brown \u2014\u00a0they\u2019re gonna set<\/i> her up in Iran<\/i>, give her a place in Iran<\/i>, so she\u2019d be safe. Then she thought she was safe enough to take a musical engagement, to go around the world<\/i>. (Pause) And what did the good US government do for her, after sweet<\/i> Elaine Brown give them all<\/i> the ammunition they needed to destroy<\/i> the Black Panthers. She destroyed<\/i> it for them. And then what\u2019d they\u2014 How\u2019d\u2014 What\u2019d they pay her? How much money she get for it<\/i>, honey? (Pause) How much? How much? Tell me, what\u2014 what\u2019d she get paid? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yes, Jan. What\u2019d she get paid? How\u2019d they pay her? What? They charged her with murder, because nobody<\/i> trust anybody that could\u2019ve been that\u2014\u00a0a communist<\/i> that long. (Pause) They had to get<\/i> her. And you think that you want to leave here. I\u2019m doing you a favor, to tell you that people have their gun on you, if you ever\u2014\u00a0if I ever tried to\u2014 if\u2014 to have to pass over. I\u2019ll<\/i> avoid trying to pass over. I\u2019ll take all their medication, and try to behave. Blow up now and then, which I don\u2019t like to do. \u2018Cause when I blow up, it does more good for my blood pressure. I\u2019m a gentle<\/i> person by nature. I don\u2019t like for elitism to practice. Okay, we got the news. But it seemed obvious, that all of you shoulda been here. Now what\u2019s the rest of you got to say? (stumbles over words) Every damn one of you ought to be here, \u2018cause none of you knew the news. (Pause) Right?<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We\u2019re gonna have more<\/i> news under this pavilion. The first half hour. We\u2019re gonna have to do it. \u2018Cause people are gonna have to get informed<\/i>, and they ca\u2014 they\u2019re not getting it over the P.A. system. Eh\u2014 I\u2014\u00a0I stood and watched the other day, because I followed different patterns today, I\u2014\u00a0I went out during early news\u2014 and it\u2019s a damn shame. People just stand and talk when they don\u2019t have<\/i> to. Now I know<\/i> people have to work, and sometimes technical work, you can\u2019t get<\/i> it, but they just didn\u2019t<\/i> pay attention. Blazenly. Boldenly. I was right under their nose, and didn\u2019t know it. They didn\u2019t pay any attention. Laughing. (Pause) Okay, what\u2014 what\u2019s got to be said. Jocelyn, don\u2019t let me down any more. Black leader like you, in the\u2014 in the fields, now you\u2019re back in the fields, and you were g\u2014\u00a0in there, and you coulda done a better job. You gotta live with the guilt, like I live, with guilt, all the time. (Pause) And I trusted you to go in there and not be shitty. And not be argumentive. And I tore your husband<\/i> up to pieces over the radio, and I tore, uh\u2014\u00a0at least he was there<\/i> when I tore folk up to pieces. And I\u2019ve torn him up<\/i>, boy. You people say, well, this and that one carries a lot of weight and Karen, (stumbles over words) John Harris comes through and gets pissed at Karen, I tore Karen all to part. I tear her all apart all the time. But who in the hell will stay up 24 hours a day? Who does<\/i> the staying up? Good ol\u2019 blond, blue-eyed Karen. Her ass is in there, till she looks like she\u2019s pale as a sheet. But she stays up, doesn\u2019t she. She falls over the desk, she stays up. (Pause) Little arrogant, talks behind folks\u2019 back occasionally. I jumped her about everyone she did that, I said I want this shit stopped<\/i> yesterday, everybody was in that radio room, I raised hell, I said, I want this shit stopped<\/i>. You can tell people to their face<\/i> what\u2019s bothering you. I jumped on Sharon for doing it, I jumped on (stumbles over words) Karen, I jumped on Prokes, I said, anything you got to say, say<\/i> it to each other\u2019s face. \u2018Cause then people feel confident. When people are talking behind each other\u2019s back, you<\/i> don\u2019t feel confident.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, no, you don\u2019t know where you\u2019re at. (Pause) And Sharon has saved<\/i> us in some White Nights, but she\u2019s too argumentive. She thinks she\u2019s the only one that can interpret Father. But nobody\u2019s<\/i> capable of interpreting Father completely. (Pause) She even thought when Mother<\/i> was with her, she\u2019d\u2014 that she could interpret Father better than Mother<\/i> could. She won\u2019t take anybody\u2019s word but mine, and yet, ninety percent of the time, she\u2019s better than even Mother<\/i> is in confrontation. (Pause) That\u2019s true<\/i>. But she had no right try to say she knows my<\/i> mind better than Mother<\/i> knows. Sometimes she\u2019s wrong<\/i>, and that\u2014 it only takes one mistake. You ought to appreciate me, pulling you out\u2014\u00a0but you ought to live up to this, Jocelyn, \u2018cause you<\/i> one I\u2019ve counted on. You\u2019ve been one I\u2019ve really<\/i> counted on.<\/p>\n

Voices murmur.<\/p>\n

Jocelyn: <\/b>And I\u2014 I\u2019ll make up with it in my work in the fields.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Next. (Pause) Do<\/i>. \u2018Cause that field\u2019s in bad shape. Our production\u2019s at an all-time low. And we\u2019re gonna have to stop this\u2014 job committee\u2019s gonna have to stop wo\u2014 alternating all these people that don\u2019t want to do field work. (Pause) I\u2014 My<\/i> blood pressure\u2019d be cured\u2014 and I may have to go out in the field \u2014 and I damn well may<\/i> \u2014 and somebody may just have to operate<\/i> this shit, \u2018cause I\u2019d be out there, I\u2019d get over this. This is mental<\/i> tension, this is a trauma<\/i> awaiting for a crisis of trying to work with personalities and their grating differences, and their little goddamn shitified games. (Pause) Like Ernestine Blair. She\u2019s upset with (stumbles over words) with uh, Charlie Touchette. Why don\u2019t you tell<\/i> him what you\u2019re upset about? (Pause) You wrote me a note\u2014\u00a0don\u2019t write me these goddamn notes, tell him<\/i>. (Pause) He isn\u2019t immune. He not immune. Tell<\/i> him what you\u2019re upset about. All this shit just stacks in on me. You act like you don\u2019t think you can talk to Charlie Touchette, but that\u2014 that\u2014 that\u2019s a reflection on me. Talk to whoever you want to.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>I\u2019m upset with Tar\u2014 Charlie Touchette<\/i> because he wanted to uh, fix up that\u2014 he didn\u2019t want to fix\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Tell him like you told me.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>He didn\u2019t want to fix up that shed, like I asked, and I feel like it\u2019s\u2014 it\u2019s\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s important that we have it fixed up. I asked for a window, I asked for it to be closed up top, to keep the\u2014\u00a0to protect the\u2014<\/p>\n

Male voice in crowd starts to complain.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ernestine, you said\u2014 now that\u2019s<\/i> not the major thing you told me. You\u2019re worried to death now. You worry the hell<\/i> out of me. (stumbles over words) You\u2019re talking mealy-mouth, and there\u2019s somethin\u2019\u2014\u00a0somethin\u2019 worse<\/i>, you worry the hell out of me, because one thing you haven\u2019t even yet told<\/i> him. (Pause) You said it was affecting your breathing.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>Yes, I will get to that. (Stumbles over words)<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I think it\u2019s highly important.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>Tell it now. Right now.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>Uh\u2014 I told\u2014 when I told you about my uh, uh, that my headache, that my, that my, it made my, I had a headache, you acted like it wasn\u2019t anything.<\/p>\n

Female in crowd: <\/b>What about the breathing?<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>What about the breathing. That\u2019s what Dad\u2014<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>And the breathing.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You say you didn\u2019t give a goddamn, or something like that\u2014<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>And he\u2014\u00a0he\u2014\u00a0that\u2014\u00a0you didn\u2019t. You didn\u2019t care<\/i>. You acted like you didn\u2019t care<\/i>. And uh, when, when, what, what really happened when you sent, uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s one of the things upset me today. This kind of shit upsets me.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>When you sent [Marshall] Farris over there to fix<\/i> the place, you still<\/i> didn\u2019t tell him about the window. Farris asked me about the window, and I said, did\u2014 did Charlie tell you to put in one, and he said yes<\/i>, and I said, well, put it over here. And I still<\/i>\u2014 I didn\u2019t\u2014 as a matter of fact, we need another one, we need two<\/i> windows, because when that door is closed, there\u2019s still<\/i> no ventilation. (Pause) That\u2019s one thing, and then another thing, you, ah\u2014 I asked for a chest<\/i>. And I haven\u2019t gotten a chest yet<\/i>, to put\u2014 to put, ah, small items in. I have to raise that heavy top, every time I get a small item out.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Another thing I have a very little trouble with, Joyce, is uh\u2014\u00a0Joyce, is, you usually follow my bidding. Now, for three<\/i> days, Joyce \u2014 and you people build up this, because while I expect a lot from you \u2014 and I expect a lot from you people. You can hurt me more than anybody. You people can hurt me more than anybody. I asked for the, the Parks girl to be moved (pause) for two<\/i> goddamn days, and every time I meet the Parks girl, she\u2019s not moved.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>(fades in) (Unintelligible name\u2014 Danielle?) I came to you the other night after the meeting, and you said it\u2019d be done\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And I\u2014 I have my reasons for wanting something done. And when I\u2014 when I have to wait two<\/i>, three day\u2014 what is it, Maria?<\/p>\n

Maria: <\/b>(too soft)<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I called her that night.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Uh, I want it done. She\u2019s been very nice about\u2014 little girl hadn\u2019t give me no trouble. She won\u2019t even ask<\/i> me about it. She been\u2014\u00a0In fact of the matter, she been better\u2019n, better than her dad<\/i> was, to\u2014 to enter in, she smiles when I meet her, she\u2019s cheerful\u2014 you people worry about your kids, that\u2019s a bunch of bullshit, what you\u2019re really (laughs) worried about is your own ass, and you\u2019re afraid your children will adjust<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2018Cause if your children adjust, they\u2019ll stand in your way from going home.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I remember very clearly. I remember very clearly, two\u2014 nice couple now, that\u2019s very firmly here, they didn\u2019t get to go home, because their children wouldn\u2019t go<\/i> home. They say, they gonna run in the jungle.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Can I\u2014\u00a0Can I say this to you, Joyce?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Quiet, isn\u2019t it, honey? Like I\u2019m all on some of your toes now?<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Your follow-through is not<\/i> good. I\u2014 I\u2014 it\u2014 you know, before<\/i>\u2014 I confronted you several months ago about that, about making lists and so forth. I\u2014 Everybody else knows I go back and ask, have you done this, have you done that\u2014 (Jones interrupts)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Her judgment and sense is good, but the follow-through, I don\u2019t know\u2014<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Your follow-through is bad<\/i>. And I\u2014 I\u2014\u00a0Do I have to come and ask you every time after I ask you to do something if it\u2019s been done? I will<\/i> start that, if it\u2019s necessary.<\/p>\n

Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Okay.<\/p>\n

Sounds of mike being moved.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I know<\/i> you have a lot on you. I see the crowd around your\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Terrible.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I see the crowd around there. But this is not new<\/i> with you, Joyce. Your follow-through is very bad. Okay.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ninety-nine percent of this fuckin\u2019 organization\u2019s follow-through is bad. Now Charlie\u2019s follow-through is not bad, but his diplomacy stinks. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I told you even, that Dad told me to come<\/i> to you.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay, okay. We ca\u2014 create problems for me. When I put a stress out, and I send a signal out, I got goddamn good reasons for it. Health, welfare, can be a catastrophe that can develop. (Pause) (Stumbles over words) Charlie. I want Charlie. Will<\/i> you handle the black woman, Charlie? I don\u2019t know whether\u2014 she<\/i> may have been all wet in what she wants to get done there, but she\u2014 you don\u2019t make yourself clear. You don\u2019t make yourself clear. That\u2019s a big problem.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>Well, that\u2014 that particular morning that she was talking, we was trying to get something thrashed out about this building over here, um\u2014 It all started off very calmly, and I was trying to explain to her about expenses and doing these different things she was asking for. I asked her\u2014\u00a0when it come to the trunk, I asked her to go next door and see what was going on in the warehouse, they needed these trunks over there, and\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Where\u2019d she get the idea you didn\u2019t care, then?<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>I have\u2014\u00a0I have no idea, because I even\u2014\u00a0I even made the statement that, uh\u2014 and asked her to go\u2014\u00a0I made the statement before I blew up, I said, I been sitting<\/i> here, I\u2019ve been patient<\/i>, I\u2019ve been trying to rationalize with you, um\u2014 Maria\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>C.J., now, there\u2019s something wrong now, you\u2014 now, your wife just went through it and saw\u2014 (Stumbles over words) If you don\u2019t see no fault at all, in yourself, then there\u2019s something wrong.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>I did\u2014 I do<\/i> see fault in myself, because I\u2014\u00a0I should\u2019ve\u2014\u00a0I should\u2019ve been\u2014\u00a0had more empathy with her over the windows<\/i>. I was more concerned about the rain blowing in, than spending the expense of the windows. Um\u2014 Joyce, from the background, she\u2014\u00a0she made a statement which, in my own chauvinism, that<\/i> pissed me off, and uh (Pause) then what I blurted out with, I said, “Joyce said we ought to take the whole situation to the Steering Committee,” and I said\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(fades in) \u2014folks, it only takes one goddamn head injury like that, that child hit like a ton of bricks. (Unintelligible\u2014\u00a0name?), were you sittin\u2019 there and let the child fall? (Pause) You gone kill me, I\u2019m telling you tonight, now I won\u2019t talk this way much, but you people gonna kill me if you don\u2019t stop (Stumbles over words) start lookin\u2019, I<\/i> can\u2019t hold every child in my hand. (Pause) You have to\u2014 you have to worry<\/i> like I did over uh, the injury of Isaac Edward\u2014 if you\u2014 if you had to worry over Isaac Edwards like I did, and face what the hell that meant \u2014\u00a0and the doctors didn\u2019t think there was any way in the goddamn<\/i> world we gonna come out of that mess? \u2014 when he pointed out the serious ramifications of, of Rose? And Rose, you<\/i> piss me off, too, the other day, when you come up and ask me if you want to\u2014 carry that stick. You pissed me off. I\u2019m gonna tell you, that pissed me off, to ask me, when I\u2019ve insisted<\/i> you carry the fuckin\u2019 stick, I know<\/i> what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about, I\u2019m just going to air it all out. And you want\u2014\u00a0you didn\u2019t want to do<\/i> it. In fact of the matter, you jokingly said to somebody that came to me, he says, all Father said was carry it. You knew<\/i> I didn\u2019t mean carry it. You knew I meant you to (Stumbles over words)\u2014\u00a0then you stand up and say, it interferes<\/i> with your walk. Well, it won\u2019t interfere with you half<\/i> as much, if you\u2019re really<\/i> walking with a stick, you\u2019ll go slower, and you won\u2019t run<\/i> into a thing like that where you\u2019ll get caught. \u2018Cause a stick<\/i> makes you slow down. And if I care enough about you enough to want you to slow down, then that shows love, because you won\u2019t\u2014 you\u2019re not gonna be able to produce<\/i> as much, you\u2019re not going to be able to run as fast with a stick<\/i>. So I\u2019m telling you all this stuff that compounds in on me. \u2018Cause you were walking death. You were walking death. You weren\u2019t<\/i> walking. You were layin\u2019<\/i> death. Paralyzed. Blind. God damn, what a mess.<\/p>\n

Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Now I know<\/i> you did say it, but you shouldn\u2019t even asked me about it. Nobody<\/i> should ask me no more about those sticks. You should walk<\/i> on them, slowly, carefully. We don\u2019t need any more head injuries. We don\u2019t need any more blo\u2014 broken bones.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Somebody\u2014\u00a0the American Customs has fucked up or s\u2014 completely stole our whole X-ray equipment. We can\u2019t find it. Tonight they gotta get new X-ray, (Stumbles over words) the type that uh, Tschetter and uh, doctor agreed on, I want that to go over the radio, and get<\/i> that shit. I don\u2019t know how in the hell we\u2019re gonna afford it, but they can not<\/i> find that, that x-ray equipment. Hide nor hair. So I don\u2019t need<\/i> any breaks out here. When you had a break out here, you don\u2019t know where in the hell<\/i> you are.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Male voice: <\/b>A little girl in the hospital right next to Isaac, who had a skull fracture, she\u2019s been in a coma for four weeks\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Skull fracture\u2014\u00a0mild, more mild fall than Isaac<\/i> had. Isaac\u2019s a walking miracle. And I\u2019ve had him\u2014 I had one<\/i> member of his family, one,<\/i> to come up to me and personally thank me for me. (Shouts) One<\/i>. (Pause) That pisses<\/i> me off, too. Not because I<\/i> want any gratitude. (Pause) How many members of the family here? Just one. How many Isaac\u2014 How many relatives does Isaac got?<\/p>\n

Numerous voices.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Only one relative of Isaac Edwards?<\/p>\n

Various voices, crowd over each other.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The goddamn hell. (Pause) I guess<\/i> an uncle\u2019s a relative, that last time I knew. (Pause) Never\u2014\u00a0No, I don\u2019t want to see \u2018em. (Angrily) No, don\u2019t bother. Don\u2019t you bother. It\u2019s an inconvenience. Don\u2019t blo\u2014 don\u2019t bother. Don\u2019t move out. (Pause) If I had somebody that protected my<\/i> child\u2014 I wish I had had somebody to help me when they were scattered all over the road with a drunk. Kidney severed. Brain damage. All the shit that was going on. I wish I had had \u2018em, when\u2014 the night that Sharon Jones and all, all of them\u2014 Kathy, all of them was scattered over the goddamn roadway. (Pause) I<\/i> had to heal them. Nobody help\u2014\u00a0nobody could do that work but me<\/i>. Nobody could enter into that realm of mind of paranormal, but me<\/i>. I\u2019m a lonely<\/i> man in that world, \u2018cause I know nobody can help me but me. I\u2019d say thank you. I thank you. If I had somebody that had that kind of faculty, save a child, from mess that child was in, blind for days<\/i>, hallucinating for days<\/i>, he couldn\u2019t see for days<\/i>, honey, but I say, when he went out of here, he\u2014 he\u2019ll see.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Yes you did. Right. Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And he left that hospital normal. With two major fractures across his skull splittin\u2019, right over the major blood center that was puttin\u2019 blood into his brain, you tell me how he comes out, I\u2019ll<\/i> tell you, I don\u2019t know how it happens, but I did it. (Pause) And he said he had a dent like this in his head.<\/p>\n

Male voice: <\/b>(unintelligible) \u2014wasn\u2019t bad, I saw it myself, and I figured it wasn\u2019t too bad, but Dad insisted<\/i> that we get a hold of the, of the Ambassador [John Burke] and find a way to get him out of the country, find some, get expert care. Dad went to the hospital yesterday (Unintelligible)\u2014 skull fracture\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And the doctor said no, and I said yes. And if they hadn\u2019t\u2014\u00a0if they hadn\u2019t\u2014\u00a0uh, I\u2014 I hadn\u2019t intervened, he would have been no\u2014 nothing left of him. He\u2019d been a vegetable<\/i>, or blind<\/i>, or de\u2014 dead woulda been honorable, but wh\u2014 what\u2019s so horrible about those<\/i> kind of things is, he was hallucinating, he didn\u2019t know, his mind was going incoherent. There was brain<\/i> damage, as you\u2019re seeing some, if you take a look around.<\/p>\n

One voice: <\/b>That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>From less blows than he got. Before they knew me\u2014\u00a0you can look<\/i> around here and see some. There\u2019s two<\/i>, right in this camp. One of them was gnarled up into a ball, \u2018s got out of that. Another one\u2019s blind, and all c\u2014 just bla\u2014 just brain injuries. And that\u2019s why you people letting children stand up on a seat, and let them go to sleep, that\u2019s very cruel<\/i>. It\u2019s cruel to me<\/i>, it\u2019s cruel to the collective. Okay, go on.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>Charlie, uh, what really burned me up\u2014 I had been asking you from time to time about those r\u2014 about uh, fixing the building, and every time I went to you, you put me off about expense. But yet and still, you were fixing other places that wasn\u2019t as vital as that place back there, where all those (unintelligible word) are. That\u2019s what really burned me up.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, now, spec\u2014 Now specify your case, specify your case, specify your case.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>Oh, he fixed up physical therapy. He put three<\/i> windows in there, and a door<\/i> with a window in it. And I asked<\/i> for a window, asked for that to be closed up so the uh, fertilizer and stuff would be kept dry, and naturally, when that top part is closed up, you need, um, more ventilation. And then, when\u2014 when you blew up<\/i> at me, and I blew back<\/i> at you<\/i>, you had nerve to tell me about my attitude<\/i>. (Pause) And you\u2014 and you did blow up when Joyce said, stay it to Steering, you threw a big<\/i> fit then. (Pause) And also, also, you told me what I<\/i> had to wait for, on what was going on in there\u2014\u00a0in the uh, warehouse, and I had asked for a chest long<\/i> before all that shipment came in. And I had been promised<\/i> one.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Sighs) Oh, shit.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>As far as physical therapy goes, the building wasn\u2019t even done\u2014 they did\u2014 (Pause) I mean, I made a statement in the Steering Committee one night about how that building got completely out of hand, and it did not<\/i> go the way it was supposed to go, and I did not approve any part of the windows, the extension on that building or everything else that\u2019s\u2014 I guess it\u2019s much nicer the way it is now, Ernestine, but I had no part of that. I did not do it, and the\u2014 Marshall and I think whoever worked with him, did all that on themselves along with uh, with Nedra Yates.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Yeah, but the question is, where were you at fault<\/i> with uh, Ernestine whenever she brought that up to you?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Now I\u2019ll tell you what the difference there, not\u2014 though you\u2019re<\/i> not responsible. Nedra Yates raises a lot of hell and gets things done. And that ought not to be the deterrent of what\u2014 the, the determining factor of what gets done. But unfortunately, that seems to be why some people raise<\/i> a lot of hell, \u2018cause they think they\u2019ll\u2014 you\u2014 you can get things done. But that shouldn\u2019t be the basis of it.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They wo\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. That\u2019s right. Raise a little hell, you get four<\/i> windows, if you only need one.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>Well, the reason I didn\u2019t raise a lot of hell, Father, I\u2014 I re\u2014\u00a0I realize the ex\u2014\u00a0the expense of (stumbles over words)\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t think you should, honey. I don\u2019t think you should<\/i> raise a lot of hell. That\u2019s (unintelligible word) what I was making the point. I\u2019m making the point that some people raise<\/i> hell and get<\/i> what they want. Or act<\/i> up and get what they want. Go apeshit and get what they want. Some people\u2014\u00a0other people have to go calm, all<\/i> the days of their life and never get nothing.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>Well, thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Why did you\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Stand me in the damn war\u2014\u00a0Stand me in the sidewalk. Some people wouldn\u2019t take it\u2014 they wouldn\u2019t dream<\/i> of doing it. You stop me\u2014 some people stop me, no matter what. From\u2014\u00a0itch in their ass to a toenail hurting.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>It\u2019s true, goddamnit.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Particularly the itch in the ass. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>After\u2014\u00a0After these situations happen to me, and I do blow up, I usually sit for long periods of time, and I think about what an asshole I was, and then\u2014\u00a0then things get done\u2014 like she says, she got the window, and there\u2019ve been other cases where people have asked me for things and I\u2014 I blow up and I\u2014\u00a0and\u2014 because of the inconvenience and the construction crews and the different things they\u2019re asking for, and then I sit and I think for a while, and I figure out a way that it can be done. It\u2019s a shortcoming of mine, and I\u2019m just gonna have to work on it and, and get over<\/i> it, but it\u2019s um\u2014 I\u2019m\u2014 I\u2019m\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019ll tell you what\u2019ll help, I\u2019ll tell you what\u2019ll help you, every time a black woman comes at you, think that there\u2019s better than equal half time\u2014 half chance that she\u2019s been raped as a child.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I\u2019d like\u2014\u00a0I\u2019d like\u2014<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>In ghettoes. Just that to begin with. Think of the color. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I would just like to know when he\u2019s going to start.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>Immediately.<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>I\u2019d like to know why Joyce (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>At that\u2014 At that particular point, it\u2019s one of those cases where you\u2019re just at the boiling point, and my statement back to Joyce was that uh\u2014 fuck<\/i> taking it to the Steering Committee, two<\/i> people ought to be able to talk over about a trunk<\/i>. That was exact\u2014 And that\u2019s exactly the way I felt about it, and\u2014 all I was trying to tell Ernestine at the time was that\u2014 that Bev was stacked sky high, and that the warehouse was overflowing and I had\u2014\u00a0people<\/i> tell me where to put these trunks back and forth, and that\u2014 and granted, she did<\/i> ask for a trunk a long time<\/i> ago. Now all these trunks that come in, when they do<\/i> come in, they\u2019re going into the medical<\/i> department. And I<\/i> don\u2019t always have\u2014 even though I empty<\/i> the trunks when they come in, it\u2019s not my choice as to where they go<\/i> a lot of times. And I try to\u2014\u00a0and I try to explain this to Ernestine, I even asked her to go<\/i> next door and look at what Bev had to put up with back over there. We were walking over clothes, we were\u2014 there was things laying on the warehouse floor that was packed up to the gills, because of the shipment<\/i> that came in. And all we\u2014 we were told that all<\/i> the trunks that came in, duffel bags, anything that could have clothes put in it should be given to the warehouse at that time. And that\u2019s\u2014\u00a0on a trunk<\/i>, that\u2019s\u2014 that\u2019s exactly where it stayed, and as far as I was concerned, her and I, our big<\/i> argument was over those trunk, because it was\u2014\u00a0she had asked for it, many, many times, that\u2019s true. And then when\u2014 when the shipment came in, there just wasn\u2019t any room to get trunks anywhere else but to the warehouse<\/i>, so the warehouse could put the things away<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I do think it\u2019s generally true that everybody has a tendency not to look at the problems that some other department might be having. I\u2019m not saying this necessarily to Ernestine, I can understand the frustration, if she\u2019d been hunting for a trunk<\/i> for a long time. But I think all of us need to be a little more empathetic with what somebody may be going through at the moment.<\/p>\n

(Tape cuts off for few seconds)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Tape cuts in on him) \u2014chemicals can do health\u2014 health damage, that\u2019s what worries me. Our physical therapy department don\u2019t need\u2014 they didn\u2019t need all the windows, from health<\/i> standpoint, immediate<\/i> standpoint, but uh, hah, if you get too much chemicals, then you have got some problems. I\u2019m going to have to do the work then.<\/p>\n

Voices.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I guess she got r\u2014\u00a0I guess<\/i> she got what she wanted. Did you not?<\/p>\n

Ernestine voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay. Need another window. And if that\u2019s the case<\/i>, we\u2019ll get you another window.<\/p>\n

Voices too soft. Applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s Farris?<\/p>\n

Farris: <\/b>(fades in) \u2014a bottle of wine our neighbors brought up (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Impatient) Ho, for\u2014 come on, come on, come on, come on.<\/p>\n

Voices arguing over each other.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Okay, hold it, everybody. Hush up. Farris (unintelligible because of Jones breathes too close to mike) \u2014 don\u2019t have to defend yourself. Well, who\u2019s next up here that got something to say?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I\u2019d like to\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, don\u2019t defend yourself. That\u2019s one thing that annoys the hell out of me, because you\u2019re a good<\/i> man. You don\u2019t need to defend yourself. If you made a mistake, you made an error. If he was in error, what\u2019s<\/i> the difference? He just was clarifying, he was not in on the goddamn windows. But one thing that tears the shit<\/i> out of me, is to have people have to defend everything<\/i> they do. They never can do no wrong. You\u2019re not\u2014 There\u2014\u00a0You\u2019re not much that way, Brother Farris. What I\u2014 What I was really upset<\/i> about was, and people misread me, was, the microphone people wait forever to move towards a\u2014 a person that\u2019s speaking. That\u2019s what was really<\/i> upsetting me. (Pause) It\u2019s probably just my blood pressure. They\u2014 they do a good job most of the time. (Sighs.) Yeah, God.<\/p>\n

Young speaker: <\/b>Um, I was going to at least ask you, when you were talking\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And all the smart ass attitudes. Smiling ca\u2014 who<\/i> the hell was smiling back at you, too? Let\u2019s see how much socialist consciousness you got?<\/p>\n

Young speaker: <\/b>Melanie.<\/p>\n

Voices too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You\u2014 you always apologizing for your<\/i> elitism. And you always continue with it. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>I want to say, Carol, that you do have a very sarcastic and smart mouth, and Dad has also gone onto you before for sleeping on the sidelines. Half the time you want to stand out here and stand on the sideways\u2014 you want to come in here. And I really sick of your smart mouth, and your bad attitude.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What the hell were you laughing about, right in the middle of a serious piece of news, about the struggles of black Africa. What was\u2014\u00a0What was the laugh<\/i> going on about? Who<\/i> were you pointing out and making fun of, or what was it about? What was the fun being made?<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>Um, Melanie said that uh, she told me she was (unintelligible word) on Learning Crew, and I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I can\u2019t hear you.<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>Melanie told me she might get put on the Learn\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>Speak up\u2014 (voices fades.)<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>Melanie told me\u2014 that\u2019s true. Melanie told me she might get put on the Learning Crew, and I said, well\u2014 and I thought\u2014 I said, well\u2014 you know, I might be, me too, I don\u2019t know. Wh\u2014 whenever, you know, it\u2014\u00a0it\u2014\u00a0I never know when I\u2014 I might get on too. I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, you don\u2019t. That\u2019s true. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>It wasn\u2019t funny, and there wasn\u2019t really nothing to laugh about.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And you can carry on all this conversation, while I\u2014 while I\u2019m sitting here in agony, listening to my own voice. How much do you think a zero personality likes to hear their own voice? (Pause) Jesus Christ, it\u2019s enough to have it go out once<\/i>, without having it come back to you twice. I sit in here for only one<\/i> reason, to see that everybody else will listen, and\u2014\u00a0sitting here isn\u2019t enough, you gotta have a (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Momentary lull.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>I\u2019m too selfish myself, and I think about myself too much, to have thought about (unintelligible word), Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You think<\/i> of yourself too much, but what\u2019s<\/i> going to happen if you didn\u2019t have an organization? You think you can go someplace? Where you gonna go? Even if you could go, wh\u2014\u00a0what the hell\u2019s going to happen to you, a young woman that\u2019s known that much about communism. What they gone do with you? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>Kill me. Put me in jail. Whatever.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, they\u2019ll bleed your brain, give you chemicals, whatever they can do, until they\u2019ve got all the shit out from un\u2014\u00a0from you, then they\u2019ll put some little charge on you. They\u2019ll never trust<\/i> you. Can\u2019t<\/i> you people get in your mind, that when they\u2014\u00a0you have sat with a man that blew up trains. Don\u2019t you know they know all that? All these goddamn people that, if some of them disappeared right now<\/i>, that\u2019s been in this conspiracy, they\u2014 we don\u2019t know where they\u2019re at. (Pause) They\u2019re no\u2014 you\u2014 longer any use. They\u2019re not going to trust you people. (Pause) How you<\/i> ever gonna explain this system? The last breath I\u2019m gonna do, is some of my documents is going to be revealed to prove conclusively<\/i>, the most heroic thing I ever did. They\u2019ll be revealed<\/i>. So you\u2019ll have<\/i> to stay here and behave yourself.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right. Applause.<\/p>\n

Carol: <\/b>Also, I don\u2019t\u2014 I don\u2019t\u2014 I think I\u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t follow through enough on my job, I have too much\u2014<\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted May 1999<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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