{"id":27485,"date":"2013-06-16T00:20:32","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:20:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27485"},"modified":"2026-01-08T15:30:58","modified_gmt":"2026-01-08T23:30:58","slug":"q600","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27485","title":{"rendered":"Q600 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Side 1<\/a>, Side 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

(Note:<\/strong> This tape was one of the 53 tapes initially withheld from public disclosure.)<\/em><\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2014the hell they\u2019re doing. [What] The fuck\u2019s going on? (Pause) (Undertone) Goddamn my life. (Normal tone) Gardens, Jim Simpson.<\/p>\n

Pause while mike moves<\/p>\n

Simpson:<\/b> Uh, we don\u2019t have no problem, Dad, but uh, since (unintelligible phrase) within the last two weeks now, I\u2019m going\u2014 got things going over that\u2014 in my green situation is going to be coming off where we\u2014 We\u2019re\u2014 Starting tomorrow, I\u2019m going to pick some greens, and from there on, about three times a week we\u2019ll have them, and plus<\/i>, maybe sometimes gonna be about four<\/i> times a week where they\u2019ll have \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Murmurs) (Unintelligible word), that\u2019s good.<\/p>\n

Simpson:<\/b> And I\u2019m going to have them planted in rotation where if they\u2019re going to come off\u2014 just as soon as one bunch go off, there\u2019ll be another bunches coming on. And that\u2019s the way it\u2019s gonna be run.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I sure appreciate that, friend.<\/p>\n

Simpson:<\/b> It will be.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Those greens will take care of a lot of our mouth problems and boils<\/i> and so forth. (Sighs) Very, very helpful. Use the Vitamin C, as I said, but use it sparingly<\/i>. Uh, you know, use it where it\u2019s necessary. I want the\u2014 I want the health, but it\u2019s going to be difficult to restock things. Bananas. Danny [Moton].<\/p>\n

(Pause while mike moves)<\/p>\n

Danny: <\/b>Uh, I too, uh, put in for a request for a change, Dad, but uh, uh, I uh, decided against it tonight.<\/p>\n

Lee Ingram: <\/b>(off mike) As of now or\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, really any difference when. It would be ridiculous. You are one of the more<\/i> experienced in it. Why would you want to change<\/i> for?<\/p>\n

Danny: <\/b>Well, I\u2014 I\u2014 (Pause) I had my uh, ups and downs in the uh, bananas, and the uh, uh, lot of it I deserved with the uh, criticism that I\u2019ve been getting and uh, a\u2014\u00a0a lot that we did not deserve. I<\/i> felt we did not deserve in the criticism we got as a\u2014\u00a0as a crew as a whole. I felt they had been working hard in some instances and in other instances, I\u2014 I know<\/i> that we have been letting down quite a bit, and I have also. And uh\u2014 It seems to every\u2014 It seems that we have got a reputation, every time something\u2019s read or somebody says something, that we\u2019re the slowest in the bunch, and uh, every time we\u2019re on the floor, it\u2014 it reflects<\/i>, and it\u2019s been that way ever since, and it\u2019s\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s been bothering<\/i> me quite a bit that way, and I thought, well, if I can get out, it may pick up the crew someway. Ah, but\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(matter-of-factly) That\u2019s bullshit, Danny. That\u2019s bullshit, and you know that\u2019s bullshit. (stumble over words) You really\u2014\u00a0What you should\u2019ve said in so many words is, my image I thought was being affected, and so I want to quit. And that\u2019d been one sentence, and that\u2019d been it. Because you\u2014 in other words, your paranoia was too far at work\u2014 because you don\u2019t have that image in the first place. But you\u2014 what you could have finished in one sentence: My image I\u2014 I think is being affected, so I want to quit.<\/p>\n

Lee: <\/b>(off mike) Is that right, Danny?<\/p>\n

Danny: <\/b>That\u2019s true, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>S\u2019go. (stumbles over words) What\u2019s the problem now?<\/p>\n

Danny: <\/b>Uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019s the breakthroughs, or what\u2019s the problems?<\/p>\n

Danny: <\/b>N\u2014 Everything seems be running uh, fairly well, we uh, removed another windrow and uh, uh, of banana trees, about a hundred and seventy-four trees uh, today, which is going to affect somewhat our production of bananas uh, intake. Uh, but we\u2019re planting<\/i> them as fast as we can, so when they<\/i> come in, when they start to uh, yield bananas, we\u2014 we\u2019re going to pick up quite a bit more, \u2018cause they uh\u2014 the banana trees we removed have suckers as well, so it means double the production in trees as\u2014 as we plant. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thank you. (Pause) Thank you. Herbal gardens. (Pause) Shift. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(Pause while mike moves)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Let\u2019s go. Let\u2019s go. Herbal gardens.<\/p>\n

Shirley Fields: <\/b>Excuse me. Dad? Ah, we found something called godocola (phonetic), which is ah, the herb for\u2014 to preserve a long life. (Laughs) And uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Burn it.<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>Yeah, right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause and scattered laughs.<\/p>\n

Lee: <\/b>(off mike) Can you just give your report quickly, and don\u2019t go into (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, I\u2019m just teasing. You know, we need it. We gotta stay alive. We owe that to the revolution. We owe that to the revolution. You found something for long life?<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>And it\u2019s also good for a lot of medical things. We\u2019re working on it now.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I\u2019m glad about the other medical things, too.<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Lee: <\/b>(off mike) (unintelligible) \u2014your brain.<\/p>\n

Shirley:<\/b> It\u2014 It\u2019s a uh, blood purifier\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019s it do?<\/p>\n

Lee: <\/b>(off mike) (unintelligible) \u2014your brain.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, I can stand that.<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>It\u2019s a brain food, um, memory improvement\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, I need that.<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>So does\u2014 So do you<\/i>. I don\u2019t know that I need it\u2014<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Look at this audience out there on the news.<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>Yeah, really.<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>When you give it to them, Shirley, then, I want to know the night you give it, so there\u2019ll be no excuses. Everybody\u2019ll then remember everything.<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs, applause<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>(Laughs) Okay. What we\u2019re trying to do\u2014 Yeah. What we\u2019re trying to do now is transplant it and get it up into the herb garden. We were just given some more land by the analyst last night, and we\u2019re gonna make it in larger amounts so that everyone will be able to have some.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay. Good.<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>And um, we found some cactus this week on our land \u2014 thank you, Dad \u2014\u00a0we\u2019re working on that for food, you know, it\u2019s um, cooking it up.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>And um\u2014 Like I said, we had the um\u2014 we were given some more land and we\u2019re going to work real hard on, on working on that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s good. Thank you so much.<\/p>\n

Shirley: <\/b>Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Peanuts? What? Good.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> I have a question. (Pause) Stephan [Jones], go ahead.<\/p>\n

Stephan:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Um\u2014 What\u2019s the status of the research on kelp? It\u2019s a very important source of iodine and good for uh, many, many things, and I know you were supposed to ask Davis [probably Soloman] what research he\u2019s doing in town. And also, is Pauline Groot working with you, because she has an interest in the cultivation and the uh, harvesting of it. I just want to\u2014\u00a0We need it\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Can we just answer that quickly, and uh, get to Pauline, and there she is, uh\u2014 (mumbles)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(off mike) (unintelligible) You\u2019re wondering, is Pauline working, yes or no, right? Pauline working yes or no, right?<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs<\/p>\n

Unknown woman:<\/b> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(off mike) She said yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>She\u2014 Fine, yes, ah, please, yes, folks, I\u2019m in misery. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(off mike) Only suggestion I have to the (unintelligible) committee, when they cook up their stuff, as they find, before you bring it to the office, that Dad have somebody else taste it first.<\/p>\n

Another male:<\/b> Well, shit, why don\u2019t they<\/i> taste it first?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(off mike) Yeah, right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Kelp. What about this kelp, she said? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(off mike) Yeah, okay.<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, I don\u2019t need to be experimenting, if you want to\u2014 (Pause) These days particular.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Taste\u2014\u00a0We taste it, Dad, before we send it\u2014<\/p>\n

Unknown male:<\/b> Don\u2019t be defensive. Come on.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Move on.<\/p>\n

Several voices echo.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Kelp. Kelp kelp kelp kelp.<\/p>\n

Shirley:<\/b> Pauline has\u2014\u00a0has worked on the kelp uh, information before. Davis<\/i> uh, found out that there was no<\/i> kelp available in Georgetown, and he suggested that we go to Mon Repose (phonetic) to check on the kelp situation there.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Go to where?<\/p>\n

Shirley:<\/b> Mon Repose. (Pause) Is that outside of Georgetown? (Pause) Where is it? I don\u2019t know anything more about it than that.<\/p>\n

Several voices stir<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> Jan? Where? It\u2019s on the east coast.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Kelp? (voice trails off)<\/p>\n

Shirley:<\/b> Seaweed. A seaweed, and it has a good source of iodine.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well\u2014 well, why would you have to go to Georgetown<\/i>? The whole fuckin\u2019 ocean\u2019s full<\/i> of it.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(Off mike) Davis goes back and forth (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Several voices stir. Slight feedback<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>There must be something wrong here. Please, radio, check this. Oh, you can reach down and get kelp anywhere. (Pause) (Whistles into mike) Let\u2019s go, let\u2019s go, let\u2019s go. Thank you. What\u2014 what is it?<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> I was going to say, Mon Repose is about an hour\u2014 about a 45-minute drive form Georgetown. So it\u2019s\u2014 it\u2019s nothing\u2014 (fades out)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay. Well, let\u2019s get kelp. I don\u2019t think you have to go that far to get kelp. Let\u2019s go. Herbal gardens. Or\u2014 what is it? Chap\u2014 Jeffery, Comrade, go ahead.<\/p>\n

Eartis Jeffery:<\/b> Uh, Dad, since I started taking over yesterday fully for peanuts, we been doing good, so we weed it and\u2014 and (unintelligible word) peanuts now, so we doing fine for the last day and a half.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Uh, but you got peanut<\/i> butter, you, uh, gave, that was good peanut<\/i> butter, wherever it was made up from\u2014 that peanut butter.<\/p>\n

Jeffery:<\/b> Uh, J\u2014 Jack made that up\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, it\u2019s good.<\/p>\n

Jeffery:<\/b> (unintelligible under interruption) \u2014share a few peanuts from last time, but uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Let\u2019s get that going, \u2018cause that\u2019s rich in protein, very good nutritious food.<\/p>\n

Jeffery:<\/b> Okay. Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Very, very good for the body.<\/p>\n

Jeffery:<\/b> Okay. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Sirel. (Phonetic) Bricks and soap.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>All right, this is Sirel, all we\u2019re doing is uh, maintenance, we got a little\u2014 little problem with some uh, (pause) I\u2014 I\u2014 although we think it\u2019s fungus, I want\u2014 want to\u2014 and\u2014\u00a0but\u2014 and we been spraying for it, and uh, as far as the bricks, uh, we\u2019ve got uh, I think it was, since out last report, we made uh, two hundred and one bricks, and we\u2019re trying to get some more uh, help with that, and we\u2019re uh, got all our construction materials now to finish off our, our uh, brick-building for this section, and we need\u2014 Now<\/i> we\u2019re ready to go to the soap um, and construct the uh, build\u2014 soap<\/i> building, so that we can get that started. But we\u2014 so far we don\u2019t have any materials for it<\/i> now. (Pause) Uh, no wood, that is, uh, you know, we have to\u2014 have to go glean it out of our uh, ac\u2014\u00a0acquisitions system. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s he saying?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(Off mike) (unintelligible sentence about soap)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, can we get it? I\u2014 You know<\/i> soap and bricks is one of the things that\u2019s so essential.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>We need a\u2014<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(Off mike) (unintelligible sentence about materials)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Can he get the goddamn\u2014 please, let\u2019s move the obstacles out of the way.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(Off mike) He hasn\u2019t, so when are you going to\u2014 You\u2019re going to start on it tomorrow?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>When\u2014 So what\u2014\u00a0So what your question?<\/p>\n

Another male:<\/b> Are you going to start on it tomorrow? Or when are you going to start it?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Yes, well, I been working<\/i> on all of it all along.<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(Off mike) What\u2019s next on the agenda? What\u2019s next on the agenda?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Um\u2014 The only problem that I have um\u2014 There\u2019s two<\/i> problems. One, the weather, which, you know, can\u2019t help that. And then the other problem is, it seems like out in our fields, whenever we dump fertilizer or shell, they\u2014 the piles lay. And so as a result, they become uh, you know, an\u2014 an obstacle for the tractors and they\u2019re harder to take care of. And besides that, um, it seems like the rain leeches them down quite a bit. So what I\u2019d like\u2014 I\u2019d like to make a suggestion before everybody that um, if we\u2014 to centralize the shell, and then, they only put on\u2014 off the trailer what they can use. You know, take it right off of the trailer and put it right on where they\u2019re going to use it, and then the rest of it they take back and put in the central pile. Or<\/i> we make um\u2014 take some poles and make like a central bin, and each filled, out<\/i> of the way of all the tractors and, you know, store the fertilizer or the shell or whatever is there. \u2018Cause I\u2019ve got uh, one filled now that, there\u2019s a big pile of shell out of the middle of it, and it\u2019s got to be moved before the tractors<\/i> go on it. So, you know, that\u2019s\u2014 that\u2019s actually my only problem right now.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Another voice:<\/b> We\u2019ll take care of it, (unintelligible name; “Natalie”?)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Yeah, we can take care of that.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> The next item is natural insecticide.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. The\u2014 There was a question here, and someone mentioned back there to me, the question, what\u2014 what about\u2014 is it true that your bulldozer has been delayed? I want to clear this matter up, because public image of uh, uh, affecting your efficiency<\/i>, and we need to be concerned about our efficiency image, that you<\/i> are delayed<\/i> in getting started. And then when your Dad does say (unintelligible word)\u2014 Now there\u2019s one thing you kids\u2014\u00a0children, all of you, mine included. You must<\/i> not rebel against your parents in a public arena. (Pause)<\/p>\n

One voice:<\/b> That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If they are in a leadership role. (Tape edit) You follow what I\u2019m saying.<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We must<\/i> not do it. You got to do it privately. (Pause) Is it true that you argue with your dad for argument\u2019s sake over everything?<\/p>\n

Mike Touchette:<\/b> Um\u2014 I\u2019ve thought\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2014 It was said to me last night\u2014 (stumbles over words)<\/p>\n

Mike:<\/b> Uh\u2014\u00a0I give him a hard time, yes.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s arguing for argument\u2019s sake, right?<\/p>\n

Mike:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Drinks) Is it true that uh, that on one morning the bulldozer was one o\u2019clock getting out in the\u2014 getting out, when we\u2014 you\u2014 you know the pattern of the rain, and why we\u2014\u00a0why was it if it was so?<\/p>\n

Mike:<\/b> (Stumbles over words) It\u2019s tr\u2014 It\u2019s true and I have no\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I know<\/i> it was true, but I\u2014 Why was it?<\/p>\n

Mike:<\/b> I\u2014 I was just\u2014 There\u2019s no excuse. I was\u2014 I was sleeping.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, what in the hell? You guys have arrangement for alternate duties. (Pause) This is dangerous, about going these long hours, then taking your s\u2014 your time. You\u2014 You miss\u2014 You miss the whole purpose of, of planning and construction. (Pause) You denied<\/i> this stoutly before, you denied this. What the hell uh\u2014 Was Al\u2014 Wasn\u2019t Al Simon supposed to cover so that the\u2014 that the bulldozer was never to be uh, inoperable, or inactive<\/i>. (Pause) (tape edit) Now what time did you go to bed that would re\u2014 justify you be\u2014 uh, starting at midday at one o\u2019clock.<\/p>\n

Mike:<\/b> I don\u2019t\u2014 I\u2014 I finally got to bed that morning probably about 2:30 or three, and I didn\u2019t go to sleep till probably around 5:30 or six. And there is\u2014 there\u2019s not\u2014 Lee talked to me, I\u2014 I happen to hear what you said over the radio that day, and I was uh\u2014 Lee talked to me about it, and I told Lee un\u2014 under no circumstances would it happen again. And then I\u2014 I fin\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Fine. Well, I never heard any feedback on it. I never heard any feedback from you. Another thing you people need to do\u2014 (Pause) Uh, (unintelligible name; “Seth?”), by the way, you\u2019re dropping stuff\u2014 ob\u2014 observers report\u2014 Secretaries. Those should be given directly<\/i> to me in my hand (Pause) and told me what they are. Uh, I found these goddamn observers\u2019<\/i> reports, the most tight<\/i> in security, uh, where everybody could\u2019ve seen them. I\u2019m talking Tim [Borl] Jones, uh, uh, day, no, night. No, Tim Jones Night. Sat observer, particular observer report. That\u2019s not work observers. That shit should never<\/i> be laying around. I found it laying around on a desk. So you give it to me. I don\u2019t know which secretary is responsible for that, but you\u2014 you give it to me.<\/p>\n

Low male voice:<\/b> (unintelligible phrase) \u2014supposed to give them to Calvin [Douglas] to give them directly to you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, Calvin didn\u2019t\u2014 Uh, this<\/i> one didn\u2019t get do\u2014\u00a0given directly to me.<\/p>\n

Low male voice:<\/b> (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause I found<\/i> it.<\/p>\n

Low male:<\/b> \u2014They\u2019re wrong.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. Whichever one. Calvin and whichever. I don\u2019t care. Whoever it is, they\u2019re\u2014 they\u2019re wrong. And I didn\u2019t hear anything about this. Lee should\u2019ve seen it. I l\u2014 learned of your humility. I heard nothing of it.<\/p>\n

Mike:<\/b> I\u2014 I take the responsibility, \u2018cause I was planning to come up to you and tell you about it, but I\u2014 I just\u2014 I didn\u2019t do it. It\u2019s my fault. (unintelligible as microphone turns off and on) my place to come up and tell you, since it was\u2014 the accusation was again\u2014 you know, it was to me, and not, you know, to Lee. So it, you know\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Right. Right.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> Well, since\u2014 Well, since I\u2019m coordinator, I do coordinate the uh, Cats, I should\u2019ve gone to you, because it was a public\u2014 It was\u2014 It was\u2014\u00a0It was<\/i> put over the P.A. system, so I should\u2019ve gone directly to you. So I was in error.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And they were\u2014 How did it get<\/i> there at one o\u2019clock? You shoulda been rising he\u2014 raising hair [hell] with him being<\/i> there at one o\u2019clock. (Unintelligible) a bulldozer inoperable. Did those in the farm analyst (unintelligible word) complain about it being inoperable, when we needed all the drive we could use, and had no other time, did you guys go to the coordinator to complain? (Pause) [Gene] Chaikin, did you go to anybody and complain of\u2014<\/p>\n

Low voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Low voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Chaikin: <\/b>No, I didn\u2019t go to the coordinator to complain, Dad. No, I did<\/i> not. I did not<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, now, which one of the farm analyst did<\/i> it, because I\u2014 we brought it to my attention\u2014 it was brought to my attention as if it was your complaint<\/i>? And that you give mouth to Charlie [Touchette] when he talked to you before about this kind of procedure in public<\/i>. (Pause) Now somebody raised that complaint. I did not look<\/i> for the bulldozer. I was too busy with radio<\/i> strategy. So somebody<\/i> raised that complaint. Is anybody in the whole damn secretarial staff know who it was? It was phoned in to me. But the coordinator<\/i> ought to have known it. You ought to have known it, uh, if that\u2019s your responsibility, Lee, you shoulda known that that thing was not moving at one o\u2019clock.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> Right, Dad (balance too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who raised the complaint<\/i>? It was not you<\/i> who raised the complaint, though, Lee. Somebody in that farm analyst raised the complaint.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> I didn\u2019t say it was one of the analyst that I heard\u2014<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>That\u2019s what I\u2014 That\u2019s what I heard you say, that (unintelligible word as mike clicks on) they said it on the radio. I mean, over the intercom.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> It was you, Gene.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Huh?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>I heard it was you, too.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I think I did too<\/i>. I think I\u2014 I think I did<\/i> hear it was him. But he\u2014\u00a0he says, and I believe he\u2019s saying the truth, but somebody<\/i> nailed him as<\/i> doing it.<\/p>\n

Several overlapping voices<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>He\u2019s talkin\u2019 about Saturday.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He said you told her. Said you told\u2014<\/p>\n

Carolyn Layton:<\/b> You did tell me, right in that radio room porch, you said, that bulldozer has just now started up. It was one o\u2019clock in the afternoon, and I\u2019d like to know why it has been laying idle all morning.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Another man:<\/b> (unintelligible words), Gene?<\/p>\n

Chaikin: <\/b>I told\u2014 (Pause) I would\u2019ve talked to you or somebody else<\/i> about it, but I thought when you said raised the complaint, if I had written the note or something to Dad about it, which I did not do. And that\u2019s what I thought you were talking about.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, now, sure, man. If you make a comment like that, I would weigh your judgment and ask why.<\/p>\n

Chaikin: <\/b>I uh, had remembered conversation with her. I had not remembered saying that to her, but uh, uh, I very well could have.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Is it true, Charlie, in your opinion, does he\u2014 uh, does he, uh, take disagreement with you and\u2014 uh, over non-essential matters, or is that just other people\u2019s observation?<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>Uh, no, that\u2019s true. I don\u2019t think Mike has changed a bit towards his\u2014 his attitudes towards me since\u2014 especially when we\u2019re talking about what<\/i> he\u2019s doing with<\/i> the Cat, his time at work, uh\u2014 Off work, he and I have a fairly good talking relationship, when we do<\/i> talk, but we don\u2019t talk often. Um\u2014 But I know I cannot<\/i> approach Mike\u2014 I still can\u2019t approach him, \u2018cause I\u2019ll get a bunch of crap from him. I\u2019d also<\/i> like to say, while I\u2019m here, as I don\u2019t think Gene was right in not approaching Mike. I don\u2019t think he should\u2019ve gone to Carolyn. When he saw the goddamn machine had set, he should\u2019ve gone and found somebody to find out why it was sitting<\/i>. (Pause) I\u2019m going to take part of the blame for it, too, because I knew<\/i> that it wasn\u2019t right, that it was sitting there, and I (pause) uh, also saw\u2014 I also saw Al Simon over on the shake<\/i> mill, and uh, I have enough knowledge to know that there\u2019s a driver and there\u2019s a bulldozer, and by God, they could<\/i> be working regardless of where Mike was.<\/p>\n

Unknown male:<\/b> Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>So I\u2019m going to take part of the blame why the bulldozer didn\u2019t run that day myself. It\u2014 it makes no difference whether I\u2019m the coordinator of the machine or not, I know that there was\u2014 I knew<\/i> that something was wrong, and I should\u2019ve corrected it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s true but they\u2014 Lee, you got to take in\u2014 you got to take initiative and not back<\/i> off, uh, because uh, he would be this uh, coordinator\u2019s son, which I don\u2019t think you would<\/i> be, or that he was white<\/i>. I don\u2019t think that would be\u2014 But\u2014 But why did you not notice it was one o\u2019clock?<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> Um\u2014 I just had\u2014 I\u2014 I had not paid any attention to it\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, are\u2014 are you the coordinator of the son of a bitch?<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> Yes, I am, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He hadn\u2019t taken any notice of it.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> That\u2019s\u2014 I\u2019m\u2014 Earlier that\u2014 I had not that day, no. I had not.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, if you coordinator, you have to take it\u2014 you have to take notice of it every<\/i> day. In spite of you\u2014 of the fact that you\u2019re one of the few people who\u2019ll stay in that damn radio<\/i> room. Uh, I\u2014 it\u2019s\u2014 it\u2019s gotta be done<\/i>. Or, you\u2019re gonna have to have an uh, assistant, that uh\u2014\u00a0that\u2019s delegated. \u2018Cause it\u2019s not<\/i> Charlie\u2019s channel of responsibility. In that<\/i> instance, it was yours<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Although somebody has to take an overall perspective. Yes, yes yes.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>I have a question, Lee. How<\/i> many hours did the bulldozers work today, and where did they work?<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> I did not see\u2014 All I know, they were working down in the rice field, I don\u2019t know how many hours they worked.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>If you\u2019re a coordinator, you ought to know that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>That\u2019s\u2014 that\u2019s my point. That\u2019s my point. You ought to know that.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> Right. You\u2019re right.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>You should check their schedules ahead of time. We\u2019ve been trying to get them to schedule their work ahead of time. It\u2019s starting to get sunstruck here, but not too much yet.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>They worked all\u2014\u00a0They worked all day today.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Good. Even though you were late.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>(Unintelligible word) They started the morning, it was about ten minutes to eight. About ten to eight, the motors were fired up. \u2018Cause we marked<\/i> it. We walked by there and we saw\u2014 We left here about 7:30, and we walked slowly up the road, and got down the road and went down there\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift\u2014<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>\u2014we figured it was about ten to eight, when they started up the motors. There was no motor running till ten to eight. There was\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ten till eight?<\/p>\n

Woman whispers.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Those bulldozers are essential<\/i>. Right now, you\u2019re one of the most essential part, while we still got something dry<\/i>. You better be making hay while the sun<\/i> shines. (Pause) And you have to have the outline uh, and organized tightly, Lee. (Pause) But when a person is in their capacity at work, do not respond to them. Do not take the liberty to respond to them as relative. (Pause) You understand? Okay.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Could I just\u2014 Could I just\u2014 I think it works both ways. I think Mike has changed a little bit. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s fair<\/i>. I still thay\u2014 say Mike\u2014 and it\u2019s\u2014 and he\u2019s not\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Listen, you just disputed me.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>I didn\u2019t dispute<\/i> you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, you did.<\/p>\n

Unintelligible male voice<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Shut up. Fuck you<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Don\u2019t. Now don\u2019t\u2014 You just disputed me. (Pause) You don\u2019t think that\u2019s fair. I<\/i> just said what was the meaning of it. Now, you watch how you word things.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>What Charlie said\u2014 Charlie said that Mike hadn\u2019t changed\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, well, then, you clarify what you\u2019re saying, because I got to watch\u2014 I got people looking for anarchy in any quarter.<\/p>\n

Stephan:<\/b> Well, I wasn\u2019t talking about you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All right. All right. But don\u2019t tell somebody to shut up. (Pause) Don\u2019t tell me, shut up. (Pause) Have you (unintelligible word)?<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Why, that\u2019s right. You shouldn\u2019t tell any (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Gotta take the heat.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>They think they\u2019re (unintelligible as mike moves), you should make it clear that you\u2019re not disputing your\u2014 disputing Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Not Dad. It isn\u2019t Dad now.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Well, Father, the leader. I know, but you (unintelligible under Jones) all of us, the reason I called you Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The office.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>The office.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And now, how do you react to that? So I can uh, know that one day I can lay down in peace. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>I\u2014 I think that\u2019s right, I\u2014 But\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, now\u2014<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>All I was\u2014 I\u2014 All\u2014 I didn\u2019t even feel that I was arguing with you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, now, that\u2019s fine. You were wrong, you were wrong, you\u2014 you\u2019re wrong, you\u2019re wrong for saying shut up to this man over here, whoever it was, I don\u2019t even know.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>I didn\u2019t even know it was a man. All I heard was \u2018Ha, ha, ha, ha.\u2019<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t know who it was either. Doesn\u2019t matter, does it? Does it matter whether it was a man or a woman?<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>It sure doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>If it was a man, he woulda got it worse.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>(low voice)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No, somebody said something over there.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>But I\u2014 I didn\u2019t\u2014 I honestly thought (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But the point was, you were wrong to say shut up, right?<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Right. I was wrong.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. (Pause) (Sighs)<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>(voice too low)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No. No, don\u2019t do<\/i> that. (Pause) No, no, don\u2019t do that.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Well, you go ahead, and do what you were doing. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>All I was saying is, is that I didn\u2019t think it was fair what Charlie said, because, I feel that Mike has changed. But I still<\/i> feel that Mike is not<\/i> only contrary to Charlie<\/i>, he\u2019s contrary to all<\/i> of us, and we try to, you know\u2014<\/p>\n

Another male:<\/b> This is true.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>And he\u2019s naturally<\/i> contrary. We had a little talk about it today, about how contrary he is, you know. And I said it\u2014 that I thought I felt it was a good ingredient, but sometimes he overdid it. And uh, another thing, Charlie\u2019ll come up to Mike, and before Mike\u2019s even given a chance, he says, oh, Mike\u2019s going to give me shit and\u2014 and like I heard, re\u2014 you said a remark to Michelle [Touchette] when you were\u2014\u00a0you were in the room the other day about, you know, you can\u2019t get nothing through to him or anything, you know. And I\u2014 I don\u2019t think\u2014 I don\u2019t think you want to give him a chance. And I know<\/i> it\u2019s a conflict between you two. And I think it works both ways. I think it\u2019s mostly Mike. I know Mike is contrary as hell, when it comes to get\u2014 trying to get him to do anything. And I don\u2019t think I\u2019m the only one that feels that way.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, you added a lot of wisdom. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Uh, the other day, when I walked in your room, and Charlie and everybody was there, and he\u2014\u00a0he noticed it. Said, what\u2019s the matter with you? You were hostile<\/i> to me, because of something I mentioned, which you\u2019ve got to get over paranoia. When I talk about guns\u2014 If I didn\u2019t trust you with guns, you wouldn\u2019t have<\/i> no gun. Not a second. So I trust<\/i> you with guns. But every time I make mention of guns, you guys give me static<\/i>. It\u2019s not only you. There\u2019s a lot of folk here, give me static. Guns<\/i> can be stolen just by\u2014\u00a0for animosity. Right?<\/p>\n

Several voices assent, one starts to argue, unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And I will always<\/i> talk about guns, but you\u2014 you were obviously hostile to me when I walked in\u2014<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>I wasn\u2019t hostile to you. I swear, I wasn\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well\u2014 Well, I\u2014 I\u2019m sure Charlie must\u2019ve noticed it, (stumbles over words), there was some reaction. Well fuck Charlie, or not fuck Charlie.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>No, I\u2014 I don\u2019t feel I was\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You don\u2019t fuck Charlie.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>\u2014I was hostile, but I wasn\u2019t hostile to you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> well, uh, nobody would\u2019ve known it. I walked out, I said, I\u2019ll leave you in peace. I\u2019ll leave you in peace. I deci\u2014<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Okay. I didn\u2019t feel\u2014 Okay. I\u2019m sorry I gave you that impression, you know, uh\u2014 Okay.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I understand your hostility, as a dad.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>I wasn\u2019t\u2014 I was\u2014 I swear I wasn\u2019t hostile.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But not in the office, I can\u2019t have it.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>I was hostile at the fact that there\u2019s security people running around here that could take<\/i> the time and clean the fuckin\u2019<\/i> weapons, and I get stuck with them, and then it\u2019s always said to me, and I don\u2019t want the goddamn things in my room<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, no, then, fine. The\u2014 The security people take care of cleaning the guns.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>And I don\u2019t feel<\/i>\u2014 And I honestly don\u2019t feel\u2014 The reason I\u2019ve taken it on\u2014 I don\u2019t feel that it\u2019ll be done properly. \u2018Cause I\u2019ve seen \u2018em before.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What?<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>And I\u2014 I\u2014\u00a0And I\u2019m not do\u2014\u00a0I\u2014 I\u2019m not\u2014 I can\u2019t break\u2014<\/p>\n

(Jones and Mike talk over each other)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014straighten it out. Either you want the guns cleaned someplace else, or you\u2014 you don\u2019t. You don\u2019t think it\u2019ll be done properly. What is it that they\u2019re not doing properly?<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Why don\u2019t you teach them how, then? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Half these guns\u2014 I\u2019ve never used<\/i> hunting weapons before. I\u2019ve had to figure it out. And\u2014 and I don\u2019t\u2014 I feel they could do the same thing.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s not what you\u2014 But you\u2014 you\u2014\u00a0you know they can\u2019t figure that out. That\u2019s ridiculous. You\u2019ve already figured<\/i> it out. So why don\u2019t you teach them?<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Okay. Okay.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What you have<\/i> learned, you should be able to teach, rather than have them go experimenting at the expense of maybe a weapon.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>If you know how to do it, (unintelligible balance of sentence about teaching)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What is it?<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I said, if he knows how to do it, he should teach them.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>But the way I feel\u2014 And it\u2019s not\u2014 I\u2019m not talking about the\u2014 the\u2014 the coordinators in charge<\/i> of the security, because they have other things to\u2014 to dispense, you know, duties and stuff, but the people\u2014 (unintelligible under Jones interruption)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who are you aiming it at? Who are you aiming it at?<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>I don\u2019t really\u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t know who\u2019s in charge<\/i> exactly of the\u2014 what would be the cleaning of the weapons, but I<\/i> don\u2019t feel\u2014 they think that, you know, you can clean it, like you can take your car wash\u2014 car to the car wash every two weeks, but you gotta treat the\u2014 I\u2014 I feel you have to treat a gun like it\u2019s, you know, a\u2014 it\u2019s a\u2014 it\u2019s a fragile toy.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All right, now, but that was\u2014 that was not necessary, that trip you took was unnecessary. That still<\/i> had nothing to do with three guns laying on the shelf when I come in there. And the people have access to your room.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>All I\u2019m saying\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I know there\u2019s no bullet in it. I know they couldn\u2019t fire it. But they got people\u2014 they got\u2014\u00a0the people here\u2014 there\u2019s some hostile people that would take those guns, throw them in a shithole<\/i>, so we couldn\u2019t use them.<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs in assent, light applause.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019re not\u2014 you\u2019re not careless about laying weapons around that\u2019ve got bullets. I\u2019m not\u2014 I want to make that clear<\/i>. But you\u2014 you\u2014 you know<\/i> what they did with your basketball<\/i>, you know how you had to dig the\u2014\u00a0uh, dig the basketball out of the shithole. (Pause) Did you not<\/i>? I remember we had to dig your basketball out of a shithole. The one\u2014\u00a0We only had one.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Plus you dug teeth<\/i> out of the shithole, too, you are getting acquainted with shitholes, I must say.<\/p>\n

Scattered laughs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But there\u2019re people here that will do<\/i> that kind of stuff, just for the fun of it.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Oh, I\u2014 I know that, and I\u2014 I\u2014 okay.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If you know it, then you won\u2019t have the guns there anymore, will you?<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>No, I certainly<\/i> won\u2019t. I certainly<\/i> won\u2019t. I don\u2019t want<\/i> \u2018em there. I don\u2019t want the guns there.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, that\u2019s<\/i> not the point<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Okay, I won\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019ll have them locked up in the con\u2014 in the convenience in which you\u2019re making there.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>(Softly) I haven\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Right?<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. \u2018Cause if you can do the guns, then you should do them.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>But I don\u2019t feel it\u2019s fair<\/i>. I work\u2014 I work (unintelligible under Jones) a workday, and then I have to clean the guns on top of it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (short interruption unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>I don\u2019t feel it\u2019s fair.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, then, you\u2019ll have to teach<\/i> somebody how to do<\/i> it. (Pause) Isn\u2019t that right?<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>(Confrontational tone) Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So, who\u2019s going\u2014 who\u2019s going to be there to see, that can learn with him. Now you\u2019re going to have to organize and structure that it\u2019s done. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male in audience: <\/b>(too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Show Joe and who?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>(unintelligible name; sounds like “Johnny Carin”)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2014\u00a0You\u2019ll show them.<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> To\u2014 Tomorrow, you guys get on it, huh?<\/p>\n

Stephan: <\/b>Yeah. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, let\u2019s go on now.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> As far as that\u2014\u00a0As far as that goes, anything that\u2014 anything I can help him with, \u2018cause uh, I\u2019m just as at fault at re\u2014 you know, being neglectful with the guns over there. And I\u2019ll help.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All right. All you living<\/i> in there are. (Pause) Well, he\u2019s the one that\u2019s got \u2018em, so I gotta go to the person that\u2019s responsible. Sure, all<\/i> of you are, in that house. You\u2019d lock \u2018em up. \u2018Cause that\u2019s\u2014 that\u2019s Grand Central Station<\/i>, what I can see of it.<\/p>\n

Several voices:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, (stumbles over words) I\u2019ve finished. I\u2019ve said all I had to say.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> He said\u2014 he said all he\u2019s got to say to you. (too soft)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>I just\u2014 I\u2019ve\u2014\u00a0I told Lee the other day when he come to me about this thing, about not starting up till one o\u2019clock, I told him, that under no<\/i> circumstances would there\u2014\u00a0would one of them be sitting idle. And it\u2014\u00a0As far as starting up at ten to eight or whatever\u2014\u00a0whatever they said time it was, is that it was uh\u2014 I don\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift, please.<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> (too soft) a little after seven\u2014<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Yeah, I can\u2019t understand about the time<\/i>, because we left here<\/i> real close to seven<\/i>. I mean, that\u2019s\u2014\u00a0from what I remember of it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You disagree with the man\u2019s statement that it was ten after eight.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Yeah, because it was real close to seven<\/i>. At least that\u2019s what I thought when we left.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd too soft.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>\u2018Cause I remem\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd about time, unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, you better synchronize the time. I thought somebody was supposed to synchronize the time, and tell us from radio (unintelligible word), uh, that\u2019s\u2014\u00a0that\u2019s a joke. Uh, radio at night\u2014 At night, radio, we could do it. From radio at night, and somebody could be the time<\/i> synchronizer. They could synchronize that clock in there eve\u2014 every night, radio. Will you do so?<\/p>\n

Lee:<\/b> Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>I\u2019m not going to take the\u2014 uh, apologize or take the heat off the bulldozer operators at all for the time today, but I know<\/i> that we\u2019ve got one<\/i> hell of a problem in knowing what time to go to work here. We go by this clock on the wall, and that goddamn thing, we don\u2019t know whether it\u2019s uh, twenty minutes fast, twenty minutes slow, or what it is.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, then, who\u2019s going to take the part of synchronizing the\u2014 the clock?<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>(unintelligible opening) synchronize it to San Francisco\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices compete<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Bea Orsot. That\u2019s what I\u2019m saying. They can\u2014\u00a0They can synchronize it. She\u2014 You just mark\u2014\u00a0mark off five hours. Mark off five<\/i> hours from uh, San Francisco. We\u2019re five hours ahead of San Francisco. Bea Orsot, then you\u2019ll set\u2014 You\u2019ll set that clock. Thank you. Then we\u2019ll know the wall clock will be right every day. You have to set the son-of-a-bitch every day, \u2018cause it\u2014\u00a0everything gains and loses. It\u2019s outrageous. Most<\/i> of the things\u2014 Most<\/i> of the clocks around here have gained<\/i>. That\u2019s what I found. Mine gains twenty<\/i> minutes a day. It\u2019s maddening. I know the problem that you\u2019re having with clocks. It is indeed maddening.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>Is it possible (unintelligible) two more clocks like that, but without the (unintelligible)?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, we didn\u2019t even satisfy this one that has to wake up. Now, I\u2019ve got a watch down there, the one left. Uh, do we\u2014 did we\u2014\u00a0we passed over somebody here, like fancy flight, that was irregular on my<\/i> part to let it go<\/i>, but I was in a stormy headache, and I since remembered, somebody asked for a clock, we said, well, we\u2019ll get the clock later. Jonestown (unintelligible word). She<\/i> can\u2019t get no clock later. She didn\u2019t (stumbles over words)\u2014 I never seen the sun tell time at night<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> I have to have a clock, because everybody 30 minutes early this morning (balance unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) You woke up 30 minutes early. I bet they were<\/i> upset. Well, will somebody run down to that house? There\u2019s a clock\u2014 there\u2019s a wristwatch. There\u2019s a wristwatch on the shelf.<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2014\u00a0What do you mean, everybody needs a re\u2014 watch?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>I said, we don\u2019t<\/i> need a watch. People start saying they need watches\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No, no, please. No, please.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Somebody just um, just handed me this watch, so\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s thoughtful. Will you come up and get this, sweet? Here\u2019s a watch. That was my<\/i> mistake. That\u2019s what I want all of you to do, is look like\u2014\u00a0look at errors. Judgments. Not perfect. Just because you\u2019re criticized, that doesn\u2019t take away from your strength. My God, I thought Stephan done well. I\u2014 Six months ago, if I\u2019da done that to him, there\u2019d been a different\u2014\u00a0an entirely different reaction. Right? How are you feeling, lad?<\/p>\n

Stephan:<\/b> Not too good.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You shoulda said, I\u2019m doing well, Father.<\/p>\n

Stephan:<\/b> I\u2019m doing well, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Communism is right, right?<\/p>\n

Stephan:<\/b> Communism is right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He saw there was no other per\u2014 procedure to follow<\/i>, was there? Hmm?<\/p>\n

Stephan:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I keep testing him, I keep testing him. Every\u2014\u00a0Everything is fine? Hmm? That\u2019s cool. Keep it cool.<\/p>\n

Charlie: <\/b>I just\u2014 I\u2019d just like to point out that what I noticed in this is that same rules apply for Stephan and Mother is what it\u2019s applied for all of us in here. And I\u2019d just like to thank you for your fairness and your love.<\/p>\n

Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yep. Yep. Got to. Got to be. No matter how much guilt I may have about bringing a child<\/i> in the world, I got to stand in this office fair. It\u2019s toughie. \u2018Cause some people don\u2019t make it easy<\/i> for you to be<\/i> fair.<\/p>\n

Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, now. Thank you, C.T. [Charlie Touchette]. I\u2019m\u2014 I\u2019m trying my best<\/i> to be impartial. And I can live with a good conscience in that matter. I can live with a good conscience. Whether anybody else interprets it p\u2014 properly or not, I can live with a good conscience on that matter. What is it, you\u2014\u00a0Sister, now we are at the uh, uh, natural insecticides? What\u2014 Are you up for something?<\/p>\n

Betty:<\/b> Uh, Becky [likely either Rebecca Flowers or Rebecca Beikman] would uh, no\u2014 She would normally be reading about this, but she had a security shift, so she asked me to do it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Uh, what I\u2019m asking is, is there any major problem?<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I know, I\u2019m\u2014 I\u2019m saying, but\u2014<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Is there any major problems<\/i> in the thing?<\/p>\n

Betty:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019ve read it, have you, Betty?<\/p>\n

Betty:<\/b> Yeah, it\u2019s just a report on um, some work she did.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Good. What are we going to do about these flies, and why in the hell are these flies taking us like they\u2019re the plague? How many uh\u2014 How many have you flyswatted tonight?<\/p>\n

Murmurs in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. That\u2019s why they\u2019re taking us. Now, I want to see everybody with your flyswatter. And I\u2019ll be asking\u2014 You see that I\u2019m asked in each meeting. And the next time I ask, it\u2019ll be a warning. And everybody\u2019s name will be taken down. Just like anybody that\u2019s late from now on\u2014 we need to be strict and put their name do\u2014 name down, no matter where and when and who is late<\/i>. Same thing, going to start (unintelligible word) with flyswatter. You implement this, if you can. We\u2019ll take a note, those who have flyswatters. Better thing to do, is count the ones that do<\/i>. So everybody\u2019ll have a warning, and two warnings, you\u2019ll go on Learning Crew. That means we\u2019ll have ninety percent of the people in Learning. (Pause) Better see the flyswatters<\/i>. I\u2019m not kidding<\/i> you. What can be done about the flies? I thi\u2014 I still don\u2019t think we know what we\u2019re doing, with the\u2014<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>(unintelligible comment about garbage)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, there\u2019s supposed to be. That\u2019s a good point.<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Oh\u2014 Okay uh, I\u2019ve co\u2014 I\u2019ve co\u2014 I been\u2014 I\u2019ve come across some pamphlets on some various uh, insecticides that are supposed to be specific for flies and mosquitoes and stuff like that. One of the big problems with flies is that they reproduce so fast, and they grow immune<\/i> to the various uh, poisons we\u2019ve been using. But uh, this is uh, (unintelligible chemical word) -based, and uh, I\u2014 as I understand it, this stuff does<\/i> not uh\u2014\u00a0that\u2014 they\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s been used<\/i> for\u2014\u00a0for centuries in many ways, and insects don\u2019t grow as immune as quickly<\/i> to it as they do to the other stuff, so I\u2019m going to try and get some.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, the Chinese eliminated flies. How in the hell they do it?<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Just swattin\u2019 \u2018em. (Pause) I didn\u2019t catch you\u2014\u00a0didn\u2019t catch what you said.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>\u2014don\u2019t grow immune to (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Thank you, Je\u2014 Uh, that\u2019s\u2014 that\u2019s true. He said, they\u2014 they\u2014 they did it with a flyswatter<\/i>, he\u2019s saying. They don\u2019t grow immune to being smashed. How many are going to get your flyswatter out tomorrow and carry<\/i> it?<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You see people (unintelligible word) around their neck. I see people, uh, (stumbles over words) Brother uh, [Claude] Goodspeed the other day, with his ye\u2014 red socks and his yellow fly\u2014 flyswatter. I thought it was really beautiful. Tripping down with his flyswatter<\/i>. Now let\u2019s carry our flyswatter and use<\/i> \u2018em. How many are going to do<\/i> it now? (Pause) We\u2019re going to penalize you if you don\u2019t. While I was giving news tonight, I was swatting flies. And I\u2014 All<\/i> day long, when I give the news, I\u2019m swattin\u2019 flies. I\u2019m crazy about flies. I\u2014 And the little bastards germinate\u2014 By the way, what is it, uh, when, uh, I told uh, somebody when the one that was made, that one fly trap was fixed up by Joyce, it worked<\/i> for me, and I\u2014 and that\u2014\u00a0that thing down there at the house, it ain\u2019t worth shit<\/i>. It ain\u2019t worth shit. I\u2019d like her to get together and compare with the other people [in] insecticides and see what the hell\u2019s wrong<\/i> with that\u2014 that\u2014\u00a0those\u2014\u00a0those fly traps are not working. Not\u2014\u00a0not\u2014\u00a0not around East<\/i>, anyway.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Dad, um, I got a correspondence from Debby that uh\u2014\u00a0Debby Evans, that a man, Doctor Pierre Noel, is an authority on flies and mosquitoes in Guyana in Georgetown, and Don Fields last night, um, before the boat left yester\u2014 two\u2014 I guess two nights ago, uh, sent a letter to him, and maybe we can make radio con\u2014\u00a0uh, we can radio to Georgetown to contact him.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We can make a telephone<\/i> contact, if that\u2019s dead. Well, did they give us any idea when we\u2019re going to have our telephone? Let\u2019s ask them. Telecomm. We<\/i> need a telephone. That would certainly\u2014 It\u2019s outrageous. Tractors cost. Learn to make smoke<\/i> signals, for Christ\u2019s sakes, or something. (Unintelligible sentence) The radio people get that?<\/p>\n

Woman\u2019s voice:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. I want to find out that, I want to get rid of these flies. This would be heaven<\/i>, if it wasn\u2019t for these fuckin\u2019 flies.<\/p>\n

Crowd murmurs agreement.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No complaint. I don\u2019t give a damn if they\u2019re all<\/i> over me. Life, death. It doesn\u2019t make any difference, what\u2014 I take it as it comes. But I\u2019d like to see<\/i> it, when we have all these ambassadors coming, I sure would like to have these flies<\/i> down. I want\u2014 I\u2019m going to be on your ass<\/i>, if you don\u2019t do it, \u2018cause in a matter of days, they\u2019re coming. The\u2014 The Russians show\u2014 The Soviets. You would never hear no American. American want to get to fly, they want to find out what time the reservation and how they\u2019re going to be picked up. Russians say, well, why don\u2019t we just ride on your boat? The Russian ambassador. That\u2019s fun. That\u2019d be fun. I\u2014 Boy, the Yankees sure would do something with that<\/i> on their headlines. (Fake newscaster voice) Jones is bringing in the Russians down the river.<\/p>\n

Laughter.<\/p>\n

One voice:<\/b> Night. Night.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> At night, yeah. (Pause) (Normal tone) I think\u2014 Yeah, I think that\u2019d be good. Smuggle Russians in. Give<\/i> them something to talk about. I do<\/i> hope we\u2014\u00a0I hope they make a news story of that. That beats healing. Beats the hell out of healing. Let\u2019s slip the news to the capitalist press. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019d be\u2014 That\u2014 I\u2019ll bet that\u2019d be news headlines from London to you know where.<\/p>\n

Voices too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Unknown Soviet am\u2014 agents from their embassy. We\u2019d force<\/i> a relationship between the Soviet Union and USA. (Pause) I\u2019ve got an idea there. I do<\/i> have an idea there. I shall be our own network at night. How<\/i> the Russians going to deny us, if they\u2019re in our boat?<\/p>\n

Laughter and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. Jackson, you be sure to be ready with pictures on that day. Not that they want<\/i> to deny us, but I trust us<\/i>, is who I trust. Fully. I trust me. Absolutely. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>I had some concern about uh, just exactly what is happening to the\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m quite serious<\/i> about what I just said on the Russians by the way. On both ends. Taking picture. Umm-hmm. Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>I had some concern about what is happening to the uh, the chemicals that we are putting into the uh, environment, um, and I won\u2014 I wonder if anything\u2019s being done to monitor just exactly where they\u2019re going. I raised this issue as a public uh, health issue with uh, Doctor [Larry] Schacht. For example, I heard that we\u2019re\u2014 we\u2019re spraying uh, compost pits. Now that\u2014 that to me is somewhat alarming, because what we\u2019re doing is putting pesticides directly into the food chain, because the uh, compost is used to fertilize food, and they drive their\u2014 uh, derive their nutrients from it, and I\u2014 I don\u2019t<\/i> know, I don\u2019t\u2014 I don\u2019t really\u2014 I\u2019m not confident\u2014 I don\u2019t feel confident that we have a real<\/i> handle on just exactly what we\u2019re doing with this stuff, and I\u2019d\u2014\u00a0I\u2019d like to see some\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2014 I\u2014 I agree, but I\u2019m telling you, it\u2019s going to take a long time for you to do physical damage to the body with\u2014 when this\u2014 when this ecosystem has never been bothered by these chemicals. I wouldn\u2019t get these people unduly alarmed out there, that they\u2019re going to die of something from chemicals, \u2018cause it\u2019ll take a (stretches word) long<\/i>, long generation. I agree with you, you\u2014 you should talk to analyst, and perhaps it ought to be discussed there, to get them to be moderate<\/i>, and to know what the hell they\u2019re doing, but there\u2019s no need for people to get alarmed that they\u2019re going to\u2014 to get any<\/i> kind of chemical reaction at this stage. I don\u2019t think we\u2019ve put that much in this soil. From what I\u2019ve<\/i> read. (Pause) Anybody can challenge that, on the farm analyst floor, if they want to. Now it\u2019s on the floor, might as well deal with it, and I always believe in dealing with it\u2014 dealing with it honestly.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Agronomist:<\/b> One thing that I think should be taken into consideration is that, all<\/i> of these things break down. They all<\/i> break down. You put\u2014\u00a0You talking about putting them in the soil, the soil is one of the greatest<\/i> uh, (Pause) uh, laboratories on the planet for breaking down chemicals or anything else. Uh, and as far as it getting off into our food<\/i>, you know\u2014 (Pause) uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s just a long cry, I would say, wouldn\u2019t you, agronomist?<\/p>\n

Agronomist:<\/b> Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They don\u2019t think it\u2019s a\u2014 I\u2014<\/p>\n

Agronomist:<\/b> That\u2019s why\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t think it\u2019s a\u2014 I think it\u2019s one of these liberalish notions that they get overly excited about, particularly<\/i> in the Third World sys\u2014 uh, system, where there\u2019s been none of it used<\/i> to speak of here.<\/p>\n

Agronomist:<\/b> Uh, we\u2014 In fact, we sprayed<\/i> this\u2014 this\u2014 the very same plants with<\/i> the same sprays that we\u2019re spraying the compost pits with. Uh\u2014 We put it on<\/i> the plants.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I say, I would rather that you sprayed<\/i> them, than to see them before\u2014 fore you sprayed them, but there was nothing but sticks, instead of leafy vegetables. (Sighs) I would rather take a little insecticide with my leafy green vegetables, than to have no leafy green vegetables.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t know about the rest of you or not, but\u2014<\/p>\n

Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, what is it, what is it now?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Well, I\u2019d like to bring to attention. Today we was out in the peanut field, and the cushion (phonetic) ants is just taking over the cassava and the peanuts. They\u2019re just all over. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, shit. Why didn\u2019t we hear that<\/i> before?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Well, I brought it attention to uh, Joyce<\/i> today, and she\u2014 uh, she told me she would bring it up in the meeting tonight, but she didn\u2019t, so\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/b>I bought\u2014 I brought it up to Becky, and Becky told me to write it up to her, so I wrote it up to her, and she\u2019s going to go and take care of \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It better be taken care of, or\u2014 Is this\u2014 Who is it\u2014 Who\u2014 Who\u2019s the one that was going to be brought up by\u2014 Is this\u2014 Is this the young woman? Huh?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Your ass is grass, if you did what you\u2019re<\/i> accused of. (Pause) If you set in my security meeting, and you voice uh, the security\u2014 private security matters.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Yes, Dad, I did. That was very stupid of me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, it\u2019s worse than stupid. \u2018Cause I told you what\u2014 I told you better not<\/i> be. (Pause) You asked him<\/i> to do your questions.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>No, Dad, um\u2014 I was\u2014 I asked him to see where\u2014 where he\u2014 what\u2014 what he thought, and I asked\u2014 I was asking\u2014 asking\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You asked him to do\u2014 He\u2014 He don\u2019t know shit what\u2019s going on, and you asked him to discuss what you would do in the case of my death?<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Yes, Dad. Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He don\u2019t know shit<\/i>. Now that\u2019s a heavy thing to land on somebody. (Pause) Sounds like I\u2019m getting ready to die. And some of you fuckers are counting on, don\u2019t\u2014 uh, don\u2019t count too heavy.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Don\u2019t\u2014 Don\u2019t take any gambles on it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> For your no\u2014\u00a0For your\u2014 For you that are getting over-anxious about me dying, uh, out of concern, and some out of anxiousness, hoping it\u2019ll happen, I run a high blood pressure since I was um\u2014 23. And I\u2019ve doubled<\/i> that since. And how can you stand 23 years of more of me. Some of you can\u2019t stand it, but maybe have to do it. (Small laugh)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. (Pause) Anybody that feels<\/i> in black America or Indian America\u2019s going to feel some blood<\/i> pressure. (Pause) And it used to be a hell of lot higher than that. Marceline can tell you when it was, one night when \u2014 how long was that? eleven years ago? \u2014 when they\u2014 when I went into shock<\/i>? It was 266 over 160 or something like that.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Sounds of amazement.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mmm. I\u2019m still here, honey.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And my brain ain\u2019t damaged. I got my eye on your ass.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Go ahead. (Pause) Go ahead. But we want to be prepared for any<\/i> eventuality. That was a hell<\/i> of a thing you tell him. He don\u2019t know the context. Anybody that\u2019s in operation zero like I am, I want to make preparations. Some people take glory<\/i> that the movement would die when they do. They don\u2019t have no goddamn concern, except their ego. All I\u2019m concerned about is Principle<\/i>. I want this thing to continue<\/i>. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>And Dad, last night, when um, Joyce was writing her paper, she had Anita there helping her, uh, telling her answers and discussing questions and stuff like that. Anita March.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Anita March?<\/p>\n

Anita:<\/b> No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Son of a bitch.<\/p>\n

Anita:<\/b> She\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How many people did you drag<\/i> ass into this thing, that\u2019s supposed to be security?<\/p>\n

Anita:<\/b> Dad\u2014 Dad, it was\u2014 It was\u2014 I was asking her some questions about the news<\/i>, \u2018cause I had it all mixed up, and I was asking\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, well, did you\u2014 The fact is, you did ask secur\u2014 You did breach my security and talk about important security, how we secure this place. (Pause) And you heard that that was absolutely\u2014 We said, it\u2019s going to be trouble<\/i> if it happens.<\/p>\n

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End of side one<\/p>\n

Side two<\/p>\n

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Anita:<\/b> \u2014trying to get everybody else\u2019s opinion, see what they were thinking.<\/p>\n

Crowd derisive<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So you don\u2019t have a brain to think for yourself? You\u2019re not sensitive to Dad dying? It\u2019s your<\/i> responsibility to be sensitive to Dad dying. He wasn\u2019t called to take the post. You<\/i> were. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>(Unintelligible as mike moves) \u2014I question your being on security. I question<\/i> your being on security<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So do I. You got reason to. I\u2019m\u2014<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> You wanted everybody else\u2019s opinion, you asked them yourself, not ask you to ask them.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Well, I know\u2014 Well, as far as we\u2019re concerned, I know (unintelligible name) thinks she\u2019s not\u2014 She\u2019s not\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>As far as we\u2019re<\/i> concerned, she\u2019s off.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, switch him with Jerome [Anderson or Simon]. Switch her with Jerome. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Voice compete.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>No. She came to Jerome. She came to Jerome.<\/p>\n

Another male:<\/b> No, (unintelligible phrase), Anita March wasn\u2019t in it, she came to Anita March and was in the library Sunday\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He reported her, though.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>I didn\u2019t know nothing about it. I ain\u2019t know what was going on. I ain\u2019t know what was\u2014\u00a0what it was about.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You reported her, Keith [Wright]?<\/p>\n

Keith: <\/b>I reported her, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, that\u2019s good.<\/p>\n

Keith: <\/b>I mean, I\u2014\u00a0I didn\u2019t know\u2014<\/p>\n

Angry male:<\/b> Come on, now. You\u2019ve got two minds.<\/p>\n

Keith: <\/b>Oh.<\/p>\n

Angry male:<\/b> We\u2019re going crazy, and get (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Keith: <\/b>Okay, Dad, um, Jer\u2014 Um, like Joyce was asking the questions like, and um, she was finished asking the questions, like, um, and then Jerome, he would, you know, like, ask a\u2014 ask me a question you know, like, you\u2014 you know, like, she would ask me the question and then I would answer or something, and then Jerome would just get anybody asking me a question, you know, see what I would say, that\u2019s how I\u2014 that\u2019s how it went.<\/p>\n

Voices too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Say it. Say it.<\/p>\n

Jimmie: <\/b>All right. Uh, I was at\u2014 (stutters) I think the whole thing is, that, you trying to show something like, you\u2019re\u2014 you\u2019re involved in something, or you know something that somebody else didn\u2019t know, you\u2019re trying to show off to your, your fellow comrades, you\u2019re trying l\u2014 uh, degrading, you know, I mean, this\u2014 this whole thing about it, I mean it seems like you\u2014 you\u2019re better than somebody else. You know\u2014 you come off as somebody\u2014 You\u2014 You\u2019re something special because you\u2019re involved in, (stutters) security we have. (Pause) I\u2019m talking about (Stutters) Joyce. You know what I\u2019m talking about.<\/p>\n

Young male:<\/b> That\u2019s true, Dad.<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> That\u2019s true, Dad.<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> You can speak up louder\u2014<\/p>\n

Jimmie: <\/b>(Stutters) I\u2019m Ji\u2014 I\u2019m Jimmie, okay?<\/p>\n

Young male: <\/b>Jimmie.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who\u2019s<\/i> going to take her place? You don\u2019t breach security. We don\u2019t breach it. Anybody else that\u2019s a\u2014 got a report on anybody that told you any of the questions within my security meeting when I met with them several hours on whatever night it was, I don\u2019t know, hell, one hell goes into another hell. Friday.<\/p>\n

Young male: <\/b>Dad, I don\u2019t know\u2014 I don\u2019t know nothing about the questions<\/i> that you asked in security meeting, but I know today, when we was out on in a um\u2014 in the peanut field working, she kept on asking me all these kind of questions. I didn\u2019t know nothing about it. She was asking me\u2014 asking me and Jerome and Keith all these questions, I knew\u2014 know nothing about it. She just kept on asking. Then she\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s outrageous. It\u2019s outrageous.<\/p>\n

Young male: <\/b>She said I\u2014 I did not ask, I said, why are you asking us all these questions. She said, I\u2019m just trying to get y\u2019all opinions on\u2014 I didn\u2019t\u2014 on y\u2019all\u2014 on\u2014 get y\u2019all opinions.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>How\u2019s a 14-year-old child going to help you out?<\/p>\n

Another male:<\/b> She\u2014 She was asking us questions about the guns and\u2014<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I told you (unintelligible) to talk about it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She what\u2014 that?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> They found a paper. Uh\u2014 There was something she said that I just didn\u2019t, you know\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, I want to\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices compete<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Uh, Dad, I\u2014 Dad, I\u2019d just like to say, afore\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices compete<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Off mike, unintelligible) \u2014boy, you better be uh\u2014 cause you\u2014 (unintelligible word) be trouble shit, man. (Pause) You talk about our weapons, it\u2019s going to be trouble. (Pause) You told\u2014 You told that? You told that kind of a lie?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s a lie.<\/p>\n

Boy:<\/b> Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You told a lie, that there\u2019s no bullets in our guns.<\/p>\n

Boy:<\/b> Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Angry voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Tight) Get out of my sight. There was no reason for that. You traitor. There was no<\/i> reason for that. Now there\u2019ll be\u2014 Now there is. There is now. (Pause) There\u2019ll be bullets<\/i> in them now. There wasn\u2019t, but they would. Damn<\/i> you. (Pause) That\u2014 What\u2014 What was your reason for doing that? I was trying to keep some humanity around here.<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calls out) Aw, shut up. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> There\u2019ll be\u2014 There\u2019ll be bullets in them now. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>You\u2019re going to have to prove yourself\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Dumb ass bitch. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I\u2019m going to say right now, I don\u2019t trust you. I don\u2019t trust you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Don\u2019t mess with her now, boy. That\u2019s a order. No bullet\u2014 No\u2014 No gun issued without bullets. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>He can\u2019t even (unintelligible word) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Angry) What\u2019d you do wrong, you stupid-minded bitch?<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Um, I went and told all the secur\u2014 I went and told all the (unintelligible word) in the security um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Why<\/i> did you do it?<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>(Near tears) Just stupid, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, it\u2019s more than stupid<\/i>. (Pause) Go and tell people there\u2019s no bullets in the gun. Now I require every goddamn gun I have issue\u2014 will be issued with bullets. \u2018Cause there\u2019ll be accidents. (Pause) You breached security. You breached it. She told the truth. But it won\u2019t be tonight. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I wouldn\u2019t trust you any farther than I could throw you right now.<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts angrily.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How did she get on there? Who recommended her? Where\u2019d she happen from? Where\u2019d you fall from? Hell, why didn\u2019t somebody tell<\/i> me about this kind of crap?<\/p>\n

Jimmie: <\/b>Uh, the thing was, (stutters) she wanted, she wanted on the daytime rov\u2014 roving uh, she wanted on daytime roving security, all she was, was a\u2014 was a replacement for one hour, and\u2014 and I don\u2019t know how she got on to be uh, replacement just for uh, Sunday. That\u2019s all\u2014\u00a0That\u2019s all she is.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, why did you guys let her in here? Now, don\u2019t be defensive. I was just on to Stephan. Now what the fuck was she doing in there?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> She was a re\u2014 she was a replacement on Sat patrol, so then\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Repla\u2014 Replacement Sat patrol\u2014<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> She was a re\u2014 a relief for Calvin, so when\u2014 when they all left, and they took after the thing, I put her on the patrol during the daytime. I<\/i>\u2014 I put her on, but\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You people don\u2019t know<\/i> her, though. You\u2019re all error. You\u2019re all in error. I<\/i> have to take the uh, the guilt of this. You<\/i> didn\u2019t know this woman. (Pause) And if you did, damn uh\u2014 damn forbid, I can\u2019t believe<\/i> you\u2019d let somebody on here like this. (Angry) I want to know, bitch, you better talk. I want to know why you told them there was no weapons on the\u2014 those crews. I want to know<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Dad, I don\u2019t know. I was just stupid.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Angry) You better know.<\/p>\n

Annie McGowan:<\/b> Shit, you better find out something (unintelligible word). You better find out. You better find out something.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd ask Annie McGowan to sit down.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I am not<\/i> telling her to sit down. I am not<\/i> telling her to sit down. They\u2019re up<\/i>\u2014 All those assigned are up. Now it\u2019s to you<\/i> to do something about it, security.<\/p>\n

Woman nearby:<\/b> Wait a minute.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You better test<\/i> your goddamn security. Now, all<\/i> those assigned to be, are up. Every blessed one of you better get off your ass, and you better do<\/i> something about it. (Pause) It\u2019s a goddamn shame. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Dad?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Voice swirl.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Sure, it\u2019s by design. To make her ass look good and risk this whole movement. (Pause) (Angry and tight) You better get your mouth talking. Some of them slide under the table, slide under the table. Get to her.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Dad\u2014 Dad\u2014 Dad, it was very\u2014 very, it was\u2014 Da\u2014 Dad, it was very stupid<\/i> of me to be talking and telling all this\u2014 telling um, of things on security, um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You better talk up, you better talk up (unintelligible word) telling us\u2014<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>It was (unintelligible word under Jones)\u2014 It was designed\u2014 It was for me to look good. And I wasn\u2019t thinking about\u2014 thinking\u2014 I was thinking of my own selfish ass, trying to make my\u2014 get a image for myself, instead of thinking of the cause and what you gotta go through to protect us.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What is it?<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>I was thinking of my own selfish ass, trying to look good, and give myself a image\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, you\u2014 you were\u2014 you were thi\u2014\u00a0you were thinking of your own selfish ass\u2014 What you were doing was telling some traitor out there that he can run away from our guns. And you were bright enough to know<\/i> that, you bitch.<\/p>\n

Angry voices. Scattered applause.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>That\u2019s right, Dad. And I deserve\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Not now\u2014 Don\u2019t run now. Don\u2019t run now. They\u2019ll all be equipped. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Let\u2014 And Dad, I deserve everything I get up here.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Dad, I was out there in the peanut field, and I\u2019m on the uh, uh, Sat patrol, and if she didn\u2019t\u2014 she could\u2014 she coulda asked<\/i> me the questions, but she didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Whoa, now whoa. (Unintelligible words) Whoa. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Better get her. You better get her. You better get her, goddamn it.<\/p>\n

Voices, hubbub<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She\u2014 She was let through. She was let through. Sh\u2014 I let her through. That wasn\u2019t security that let her through, I let her through. I maybe let somebody else<\/i> through. \u2018Cause you don\u2019t respond to niceness. Gentleness, kindness, and love. It\u2019ll be back, maybe, it\u2019ll be back next week.<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She wouldna got through there if I hadna les\u2014\u00a0let her get through.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>That\u2019s right, Dad.<\/p>\n

Voice<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You better get your ass talking.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Dad, um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Where\u2019s her relatives? Any relatives around here?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>Right over here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You got a good mom.<\/p>\n

Voices, hubbub<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) This is security?<\/p>\n

Voice in hubbub:<\/b> Thanks, Dad.<\/p>\n

Another voice:<\/b> Come on, (unintelligible name).<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014can talk. Tell us why you can talk\u2014 why you\u2014 you told that we had no arms<\/i>, that you\u2014\u00a0and these two days, if it hadn\u2019t been for the\u2014\u00a0for Keith<\/i> coming forward, in these two goddamn days, somebody coulda left, because you<\/i> told us\u2014 the measures of security, now forced me to have to put bullets in every gun. You talk, bitch.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Dad\u2014 Dad\u2014 Dad, it was just stupid of me. Um. I wasn\u2019t thinking. Um.<\/p>\n

Angry voices.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>I\u2019m not crying.<\/p>\n

Angry voices, general hubbub<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Dad\u2014 And Dad\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2014 Yeah, Dad, go on, talk.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>I wi\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, we made a big warning of this, folks. You don\u2019t know how serious this was. We made a terribly strong<\/i> warning about this.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Angry voices<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>I wasn\u2019t\u2014 I wasn\u2019t\u2014 I wasn\u2019t thinking of\u2014 of the things that you wo\u2014 you would have to go through if we was to put bullets in the guns, and\u2014 and\u2014 and the accidents that would probably come\u2014 occur, and how\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s this? I can\u2019t hear what you\u2019re saying.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Stop crying.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Stop crying and talk, woman, shit.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>And hurry up.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>I wasn\u2019t a\u2014 I wasn\u2019t aware of the\u2014\u00a0I wasn\u2019t a\u2014 I wasn\u2019t thinking of being enough aware, instead I opened my big mouth. I\u2014 I wasn\u2019t aware to keep my big mouth shut enough to know if something hada\u2014 If you had (unintelligible phrase) the bullets, that somebody could\u2014 could\u2019ve gotten hurt or anything. I wasn\u2019t being concerned enough, um, to think that um, you would be the one to have to\u2014 to uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019re repeating everything I said.<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, well, ans\u2014 answer what he said. What\u2019d you say, Ronnie?<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>(unintelligible opening) talking about all this time in the meeting.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shh.<\/p>\n

Ronnie: <\/b>Pouring his heart out.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Pour my heart out so some foolish<\/i> person could go out and talk like you. Make me have to put guns that can be\u2014 go off by accident.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>CIA?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No, but she ought to. They ought to hire her. (Pause) How\u2019d they\u2014 how\u2019d you get that way, and you got a closed mouth, loyal mother?<\/p>\n

Scattered voices, still angry<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You better get nervous. You better get nervous, \u2018cause we warned<\/i> you what would happen if this<\/i> took place. We made it very, very severe.<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, guys say, what, if you gave information away that<\/i> easy, what would you do if there was a price<\/i>?<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>That\u2019s true\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Geneva Beal: <\/b>What in the devil in hell that you doing out there running your goddamn mouth? (Stumbles over words) What were you\u2014 What\u2014 What was you talking about, who<\/i> you done told anything? (Pause) You better talk.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She\u2014 she\u2014<\/p>\n

Geneva: <\/b>Who<\/i> have you told<\/i> anything?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She told it to everybody.<\/p>\n

Young woman: <\/b>I told it to everybody.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Everybody, Geneva. Everybody. I<\/i> had a little humanity and sensitivity, and didn\u2019t want guns<\/i> all loaded\u2014<\/p>\n

Geneva: <\/b>(unintelligible) \u2014goddamn the bidness, you know damn well you didn\u2019t have no bidness out there talking, or I whup your ass myself.<\/p>\n

Anger and laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Sounds of slapping. Hubbub<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, you better\u2014 Okay.<\/p>\n

Voices: <\/b>That\u2019s it. Let her go.<\/p>\n

Older woman:<\/b> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait\u2014 No, wait a minute<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Don\u2019t look at her funny. Don\u2019t you look at her funny. Don\u2019t you dare look at her funny, I\u2019ll let her loose again. She made it in there on her<\/i> own, this time. I\u2019ll let her\u2014\u00a0I\u2019ll let her loose again.<\/p>\n

Geneva: <\/b>It wasn\u2019t none of your damn business about no guns or nothing<\/i> else.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It was<\/i>\u2014 The problem was<\/i>, it was<\/i> hers. She was trusted<\/i> to be loyal. (Pause) And these two\u2014<\/p>\n

Geneva: <\/b>What do\u2014 What is you going to say? You better talk\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And in these two days, somebody could run over the hill and caused trouble for the whole movement.<\/p>\n

Geneva: <\/b>Was you talking on them\u2014 one of them intercoms where the folks can hear you out in the bush somewhere?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> She was always telling to hear her, Mom.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m making it damn clear now, that you will\u2014 you don\u2019t move without these guns.<\/p>\n

Hubbub<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> What do you got to say? You just gonna quit having\u2014<\/p>\n

Geneva: <\/b>Do you want to know what was in anybody else\u2019s<\/i> mind, what in the hell was in your<\/i> mind?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Hubbub<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Please take your glasses off.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Get in there, Mary. Hold in there. That\u2019s it. Get in there.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Take her glasses off.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Hubbub<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You better put some of these ladies<\/i> on security. (Laughs) Mary got \u2018em a hell of a time up here. Hold in there, boys. Black and white together, you\u2019re having a little trouble. (Laughs) They\u2019re turning blue. They\u2014 He\u2019s\u2014 We ha\u2014 We lost one white one, but we got one black and one blue.<\/p>\n

Geneva: <\/b>What goes on up here when somebody act like that, and then you had to go run your old stupid-ass mouth.<\/p>\n

Hubbub and laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Hubbub, cheers, sounds of scuffling for several moments<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hold it. Hold it. Security needs some assistance, I think.<\/p>\n

Male voice:<\/b> Come on, security. Security! React, security.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Where is the patient?<\/p>\n

Hubbub<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Find the patient.<\/p>\n

Several voices:<\/b> She\u2019s right here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) That\u2019s pretty good. That\u2019s pretty good. You protect it very well, there.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Let\u2019s make her (unintelligible word; “black”?). Come on, security, I know<\/i> you better than this, now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Tight) You deserve whatever you\u2019re getting, sister. You deserve it all.<\/p>\n

Hubbub, sound of scuffles<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) S\u2014 Come on, security, get a hold<\/i> of it now, get a hold of it.<\/p>\n

Voices cry out about fighting back, then tell people to back up<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The only thing is\u2014 The only thing is, security, a c\u2014 A shout<\/i> won\u2019t be able to do it. If you were faced with a real mob, a shout<\/i> won\u2019t be able to do it. (Pause) You gotta do it with your\u2014\u00a0with your arms, hands.<\/p>\n

Hubbub, sound of scuffles<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> No, don\u2019t even argue with him, don\u2019t even argue with him, don\u2019t even argue with him, don\u2019t even argue with him, don\u2019t even argue with him.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Unintelligible as laughs) \u2014having trouble with sister, 75 years of age. You got three<\/i> of you. (Laughs) Hold in\u2014 Hold in there, son. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Hubbub, sound of scuffles<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Give five security and two seniors a good hand. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s the best goddamn fight I ever saw<\/i>, put up by a seventy<\/i>-some year-old. (Pause) Okay now, we\u2019ll\u2014 we relax and go back to your station.<\/p>\n

Hubbub<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What is the congregation of the elect socialist group here to protect this sovereign territory\u2014 What do we suggest we do<\/i> to this woman?<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Whup her ass.<\/p>\n

Calls from crowd, unintelligible. Hubbub.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You have a big mouth, and other\u2014\u00a0other reports of your complaining and talking \u2018bout\u2014 talking \u2018bout people. Talking about anything else in the toilet. (Pause) I don\u2019t know how you ever got past\u2014 wh\u2014 Everybody should come on the security by s\u2014 recommendations. Now everybody\u2019ll sit down. All security can back off and sit down.<\/p>\n

Crowd stirs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I can\u2019t see. Can\u2019t see.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> He said, take a seat.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Unintelligible word) \u2014over there, Jim. (Pause) What do you<\/i> suggest be done with you, sister? (Pause) Betrayer of the people? That coulda taken the lives of every child in this house?<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>I think I should have to work for at least three days and three nights without stopping. Um\u2014 And then\u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Huh, I would think so.<\/p>\n

Jimmie:<\/b> Da\u2014 Dad\u2014 Dad uh\u2014 Dad, I would just like to say, you know like, I\u2014 I\u2019d just like to say, you see, it\u2019s par\u2014 it\u2019s partly my fault for, you know, just\u2014 just putting her on in, plus not checking her out, and stuff like this, so I\u2014 (stutters) It\u2019s also partly my fault, I\u2014 I didn\u2019t check out or did\u2014 did nothing like that. I thought she would\u2014 I thought she would\u2014 would have been, you know, a good\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We all to take\u2014 accept collective responsibility that, here\u2019s a woman who\u2014 We ought to do an investigation on, everyone talk to their friends<\/i>, to find out what in the hell type of person they are. We\u2019re going to have to be much<\/i> tighter. We\u2019ve learned a lesson from this. This is outrageous.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I heard something\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I heard something that uh, Jerome was asking the same questions, and I\u2019d like to know something about that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s too bad. That\u2019s sad news.<\/p>\n

Jerome: <\/b>All right. Why I\u2014 I asked Keith that, \u2018cause she was in the fields, um, she told us that it\u2019s supposed to be\u2014 (unintelligible word) first it started this Sunday, and see, she said uh, it\u2019s just something that she was just supposed to be asking<\/i> people. That\u2019s what\u2014 That\u2019s what\u2014 what Keith was talking about. I<\/i> didn\u2019t even know what it was about. I didn\u2019t, unless she\u2014\u00a0she mentioned it. Then she mentioned about guns<\/i> and stuff, I didn\u2019t know what she was\u2014 what it was about.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Generally, for the (unintelligible word) collective, he has done a very<\/i> good job of getting information, and should be uh, treated with a certain air of respect for the sense of organization. (Pause) I\u2019ve not known him here to (unintelligible word) or not to report the information. And we\u2019ve got to be all information-gatherers and reporters, if we want to safeguard this house.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Dad, to me, it seemed like she was taking the whole thing as like a whole big joke<\/i>, you know, like\u2014 because um, she was\u2014\u00a0when she was sitting at the table, doing her report and stuff, she was sitting there at the table with Bonnie [Simon], and she was asking me news<\/i> articles and stuff. And then when she\u2014\u00a0when we finished with the news articles, she said, why don\u2019t you help me write it over? Why don\u2019t you write the paper over for me, and you can see<\/i> what\u2019s written on the paper, and I said, that\u2019s all right, you do it yourself.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. Okay, that\u2014\u00a0that\u2019s not the serious part. What possible reason did she have for talking about our guns not having bullets in them? (Pause) (Flares) That wasn\u2019t in the test<\/i>. That wasn\u2019t asked to be written about<\/i>. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Young man:<\/b> Dad, I think the reason why she as\u2014 why she\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices of dissent in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (tight) Goddamn her, she better get her mouth open.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Dad, the reason why I said it was because\u2014 okay, wo\u2014 I was asking the questions today, and Karen Carr came back with a question, like um, what if somebody on security turned traitorous, like then, and I tried to make it look good as though we\u2019d know\u2014\u00a0you know, even if they did, wouldn\u2019t nothing happen to you.<\/p>\n

Voices of derision.<\/p>\n

Woman voice:<\/b> That\u2014\u00a0That\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Incredulous) Oh, nothing would\u2014 You\u2014 Boy. Nothing would happen<\/i> to you, if you turned bad.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>No\u2014 No, Dad, that\u2014 I\u2014 She said\u2014<\/p>\n

Scattered voices in crowd<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>No\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So\u2014 Someone in security turned traitor, she said, nothing would happen to you.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>No, to\u2014 She said, what if somebody on security turned? She was asking me questions back in return. She said, what if somebody on security turned traitorous with a gun and\u2014 and tried to kill Dad or something to that effect, and I said, you know, trying to look good, I said, well, um, um, he wouldn\u2019t get hurt, because they ain\u2019t no bullets in the gun, like that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Dismissive noise)<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> You asked the question about security shooting Dad?<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>Dad\u2014 Dad, this is what happened. This is what happened. When we were down there, she started talking about\u2014 I didn\u2019t\u2014 I had just came down there, \u2018cause I didn\u2019t know\u2014<\/p>\n

Tim: <\/b>Quit lying.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Tim\u2014<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>I had just came down there\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible phrase) after a while.<\/p>\n

Tim: <\/b>Hmm?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Keep your eyes on \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hold in there, sweet. Hold in there.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Scattered voices.<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>Dad\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>Dad\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Remember, Tim. She\u2019s the one that feeds you. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Scarttered voices.<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>Dad\u2014 Dad\u2014 Dad, this is what\u2014\u00a0Dad, this is what happened.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Hubbub<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>Dad, this is what happened. When I had first came\u2014 I had first came down to the field, and the\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Ah, the kids are getting under there.<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>I had first came down to the field, and the first<\/i> thing she asked me was\u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd laughter and hubbub<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) I tell you, we got some seniors. I\u2019m\u2014 I\u2019m interested in this, \u2018cause I\u2014 they\u2019ll fight. They\u2019ll fight.<\/p>\n

Hubbub. Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) (unintelligible name) got bit. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Hubbub. Laughter. Some voices angry.<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>Dad, this is what happened. When I had first came down to the field\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All right now, hold it. I\u2014 I\u2014 I see our seniors are tough<\/i>. That\u2019s what I want to see. I hope some us\u2014 others of you are that tough. They\u2019ve roll, they\u2019ve fe\u2014 half fell, they\u2019ve been picked up, my God Almighty, took six<\/i> to take one of \u2018em out.<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>Dad\u2014 Dad, this is what happened. When I first came\u2014 When I first came down to the field\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Why\u2019d you ask her about the security, though? (Stumbles over words) That\u2019s a legitimate question. I think it\u2019s a legitimate question. But she\u2014\u00a0But you\u2014 To look good, so you answered it.<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>She told\u2014<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Dad\u2014 Dad, it was all my\u2014<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>She told\u2014\u00a0She told us to ask her any questions. She did, so I just asked her anything was on my mind\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She told you to ask her any question.<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>She\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Why\u2014 why\u2014 why would the fact that you want to know if the security shoot Dad, woulda happened to him. Why would you?<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>I didn\u2019t ask that question.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>What\u2014 That\u2019s the question that we got on now. That\u2019s the question we got on the floor now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I think it\u2019s a legitimate question around here.<\/p>\n

Another woman:<\/b> Sister wanted to act like she knew it all (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>We got one looking like a traitor.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Why the hell wouldn\u2019t she ask it? It\u2019s my mistake.<\/p>\n

Hubbub. More conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>You wanted\u2014 You were ready to talk. Talk, talk. (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>I understand\u2014 She\u2014 She told us\u2014\u00a0She just said, any que\u2014 She just s\u2014\u00a0She was talking about\u2014 And then she said\u2014 I said, why are you asking all these questions, I said, why doesn\u2019t somebody ask you<\/i> some? She said, Ask me, \u2018cause I already know of some<\/i> like that, so I just asked her. And then\u2014\u00a0So I just asked<\/i> her, and then she\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>What\u2019d you ask her?<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>I said\u2014 I said, well\u2014 I\u2014 (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>What did you ask her?<\/p>\n

Karen: <\/b>I said, what if\u2014\u00a0I said, what if secu\u2014 I\u2014 I even forgot what I said, \u2018cause\u2014 I said\u2014<\/p>\n

Sounds of incredulity<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Oh, you ain\u2019t forgot shit. You gotta tell<\/i> \u2018em what you said. Speak up.<\/p>\n

Hubbub<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>It was a good question.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, it has been a\u2014 People\u2014\u00a0People have representative security, we\u2019re going to have to all\u2014 You don\u2019t have to ask questions of who\u2019s in security. You don\u2019t have to know<\/i>. Somebody sa\u2014 The internal security. Some you can\u2019t. You can\u2019t know the (pause) more secret me\u2014 elements of the uh, Committee of the Defense of Revolution. You can\u2019t know all those people, but you certainly<\/i> have reason to\u2014 If you got reason<\/i>, you see these people bearing guns and bows<\/i>, you got a reason to bring up points<\/i>. And if somebody brought up points, this wouldn\u2019t have happened. (Pause) Okay\u2014\u00a0Okay, back off now. (Pause) Now, I\u2019m surprised you say you only should get three days and three nights<\/i>. You\u2014 You invited the questions. You invited the questions, huh?<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ask you any question.<\/p>\n

Older woman:<\/b> What made you think you know so much?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ah\u2014 Our<\/i> mistake. Our collective mistake. I\u2019ll take my guilt for this.<\/p>\n

Older woman: <\/b>How come you\u2014\u00a0What made you think you know so much, you know all the answers, you got all the answers, you got so many damn answers, you better start talking.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Um\u2014 (Pause) Um, I was just trying to look good. It\u2019s no\u2014 no excuse, I mean, to have such a big mouth, and being at the\u2014\u00a0at\u2014 at the expense of um, of\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices interrupt.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>There\u2019s no excuse for me, um, being such a big mouth, trying to show off like I knew so fucking much. Um. (Unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, I hope it\u2019s a lesson to everybody, \u2018cause I don\u2019t like to see this violence, but I hope it\u2019s a le\u2014 les\u2014\u00a0lesson. It was ver\u2014\u00a0very<\/i> kind, and as so\u2014 someone said, I poured out my heart<\/i> in there. Very deep. And then you go and expose it to everybody. That\u2019s strategy. (Pause) And how did you know you were right?<\/p>\n

Older woman: <\/b>(unintelligible opening) \u2014been in a meeting, and then you went out and talked<\/i>? (Pause) Is that what happened?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She was. She was. She was. But to be\u2014\u00a0To make you all rest carefully, for the two nights, I reversed it, and we had bullets in the guns. \u2018Cause I thought it was a mistake.<\/p>\n

Scattered: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So (Pause) don\u2019t be (unintelligible word) nervous. You were not\u2014\u00a0You were not in any uh, threat, because I thought it was a mistake that we discussed it publicly. (Pause) Take your seat amongst those who learned better than you<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Girl in trouble: <\/b>Thank you, Dad. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, let\u2019s go. (Pause) Okay, let\u2019s go. (Pause) Come on, security, get down. Get down, security. (Pause) Sit down. (Pause) I\u2019m (unintelligible word)\u2014\u00a0Who\u2019s replacing her? Who\u2019s replacing her?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>For what? Her job? (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Scattered voices<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Oh, man.<\/p>\n

Hubbub. Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Sit down. (Pause) Okay, sit down. Everybody sit down. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Hubbub.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Uh\u2014 Da\u2014 Da\u2014 Dad, instead of deciding us\u2014 In\u2014 Instead of deciding this thing by myself, can I get with uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Can I get with uh, Johnny\u2014 Johnny and them, Jimmie, decide on the po\u2014 person to put in her place?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, indeed. Then make a pass over me. Final passage. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Conversation off mike, too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What? (Pause) (Laughs) Rose looks like a reptile, ready to strike. (Laughs) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Joyce got a warning, too, I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Joyce got a warning? Well, yes, she did. Joyce got a warning. (Pause) Reporting late for work. Umm-hmm. (Pause) (Reading) Warnings also, Charles Marshall\u2014 (Pause) There are a lot of internal struggles in the herbal committee. Earnestine March has been very argumentative. She chastised Shirlee Fields in front of the students. She later talked to the students in the bush about the situation. That shit won\u2019t be. We won\u2019t allow that. That\u2019s warning. Never criticize management in front of others. You do it privately<\/i>. Those who manage for the representatives of the people<\/i>, you can say anything to me. Privately. But you will not<\/i> do it in front of pi\u2014 public. (Angry) I mean, I\u2019m making a point<\/i>, goddamn it, and it better be heard. (Pause) (Calmer) It was not appropriate. Shirlee Fields was in charge. Now, that better be straightened up. (Reading) Keith Baisy and Traci Stone have been referred to Learning Crew by the elementary junior high school teachers\u2019 meeting, for physical violence. Okay. Join it. Laura Johnston still works slow and talks too much. (Disappointed) Aw, come on, Laura.<\/p>\n

Voices murmur.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ah, damn it. Who (unintelligible word) (Pause) Rory Borg\u2014 Borgeman\u2014 Bargeman told the supervisors he\u2019s not going to do his best, because he didn\u2019t get a job change. Oh, now. Now, now, now, now, now, now, now. We\u2019re going to defy the authority. You\u2019re not going to do your best, huh? Mmm. Betcha I\u2019ve moved your little ass in<\/i> here.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Who do you want to change, Dad?<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>No, I didn\u2019t. (Pause) I di\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who are the witnesses against him?<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>Dad, I didn\u2019t say that.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Who said he said it?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That kinda shit is no good. (Pause) That kinda shit is no good. This is dan\u2014 This is\u2014 This is radical shit. This is radical<\/i> shit, what he did here. This is the kinda shit that can destroy an organization. He not going to do his best\u2014 He not going to do his work, because\u2014 (Pause) You\u2019re open season, too. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Scattered voices.<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I didn\u2019t say that, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Where is the supervisor?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Here she is.<\/p>\n

Supervisor:<\/b> Here I am. Okay. Today, we was on break\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Did he say it?<\/p>\n

Supervisor:<\/b> Yeah, he said it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Unintelligible sentence) How many say he said it? (Pause) Okay, you, you\u2014 Okay, he said it. He said it. Now he\u2019s a liar to the office on top of it. (Pause) (Angry) Get him.<\/p>\n

Hubbub.<\/p>\n

One voice:<\/b> Oh, man.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now take him out of it.<\/p>\n

Hubbub.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Tight) Don\u2019t lie to this office any more. We\u2019re tired of putting up with this shit. (Pause) Don\u2019t lie to this office any more. You hear me? Get your ass over there and set down, and see how well you work. Goddamn people don\u2019t appreciate goodness. (Pause) Set your ass down. (Pause) With lie on top of it. \u2018S all right. That\u2014 That\u2019s up\u2014\u00a0That\u2019s your\u2014\u00a0your risk. You\u2019re open season till you get on that secu\u2014 on\u2014 on that Learning, then they can\u2019t touch you.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Don\u2019t say you didn\u2019t say anything (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He better not\u2014 You\u2014 Did you\u2014 Yeah, answer the question.<\/p>\n

Voice unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Did you say it?<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>Dad\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Did you say it?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Yes or no. Yes or no.<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>Yes, Dad, I said it.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>What did you say, exactly?<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>My\u2014 my exact words is, I didn\u2019t appreciate the uh, supervisor saying I work good in the meeting, and when I get on the floor, they say I don\u2019t work good.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, that\u2019s not all you said. And they all heard it. I saw black and white people putting up their hands together. They heard you say, that you weren\u2019t going to work your best. Did you say it?<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>(Pause) Dad, I swear that\u2014<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>That\u2019s what I said.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All these people lying on you. Is that what you\u2019re saying? Told his seper\u2014 supervisor, he not going to do his job<\/i>\u2014 your best, because you didn\u2019t get a job change. What?<\/p>\n

Supervisor: <\/b>Okay. Today we was on break, and Roy said he had been here for nine months, and he had been in the field for nine months, and he say he didn\u2019t want nobody<\/i> to praise him, he didn\u2019t want me to praise him or nothing\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shh.<\/p>\n

Supervisor: <\/b>\u2014he said he didn\u2019t want no<\/i> praises from nobody, from me or Jen, and then he said, uh, that he had been in the field for nine months, he said he wasn\u2019t going to do his best. No, he would just stay in the field. And that\u2019s what he said.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How many heard him say that?<\/p>\n

Supervisor: <\/b>We was all on break and we\u2014\u00a0Everybody heard him say it. (Unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All these hands. Most of them black. Are you still<\/i> going to insist you didn\u2019t say it?<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I said it, Dad. I said it, Dad, and I\u2014<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> \u2014lying to the office.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Unintelligible) What.<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I said it, Dad, and I\u2019m sorry for lying to the office.<\/p>\n

People call out questions about why he lied.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Your mother asked you a good question. What\u2019d you lie? And take up the goddamn trouble, all this late\u2014 the\u2014 the late hours of the night. Don\u2019t give a shit, do you, if you lose your leader.<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>Yes I do<\/i>, Dad, but\u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd voices too soft.<\/p>\n

DeeDee Macon:<\/b> Why\u2019d you lie? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I was\u2014<\/p>\n

DeeDee Macon:<\/b> Speak up\u2014<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>(Unintelligible, may be being struck)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Enough. Enough, enough. Enough.<\/p>\n

DeeDee Macon:<\/b> Dammit.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Enough.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Let go of him. Let go of him.<\/p>\n

Another voice:<\/b> Let go of him, DeeDee.<\/p>\n

DeeDee Macon:<\/b> Well, answer me.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Let go, Deedee.<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I\u2019m thinking uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Competing voices<\/p>\n

DeeDee Macon:<\/b> I\u2019m over here. Can\u2019t you answer me?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Speak up.<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I was thinking\u2014 Lee and I was\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All you people\u2014<\/p>\n

Angry voice: <\/b>\u2014goddammit, it\u2019s just a fucking mouth.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s the matter?<\/p>\n

Angry voice: <\/b>Some little asshole here fussing back and forth. You just shut your mouth.<\/p>\n

Several voices.<\/p>\n

Angry voice: <\/b>Shut up, goddammit.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Throw him on the Learning.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>You better salute, you little shit.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Anybody getting up here at this hour? After all<\/i> that was explained tonight, and the blood pressure\u2019s still<\/i> there, it hasn\u2019t gone anyplace.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Smile\u2014<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Why\u2019d you lie?<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I was thinking that if I lied still, that Deedee and uh\u2014 and Diane and (unintelligible under voices)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Get away from there, Stephan, there\u2019s too much hostility for you to deal with. I\u2019m just\u2014 (unintelligible) you working there, and you gotta blow like a goddamn bulldozer. (Pause) Don\u2019t get close to it.<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I deserve it, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, you deserved it. I ain\u2019t questioning<\/i> that. I\u2019m not questioning that, but I don\u2019t\u2014 I don\u2019t want to take chances. He<\/i> could\u2014\u00a0he could fix you. (Unintelligible word) I imagine you\u2019d feel somewhat the same<\/i>, if there was a risk that your\u2014 no matter how\u2014\u00a0what hostility he<\/i> may feel, it\u2019s a natural ingredient to life<\/i> for a child to have to battle with their parent all<\/i> the time, and the parent be a leader, uh, uh, a uh, leader also, which makes it double<\/i> problems. (Pause) In the future, that\u2019s what medical person, you shouldna been waiting this long to tell us he has a pin in his hip. You shoulda men\u2014\u00a0You shoulda done\u2014 You shoulda got your ass up off the floor, Joyce Parks, you shoulda been telling us before<\/i> that.<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>That\u2019s okay. I wa\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> This is a little late to tell us, don\u2019t you think? (Pause)You were out? Okay. Well, where in the hell\u2014 Didn\u2019t anybody else in the damn house know this?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I <\/i>knew\u2014 I<\/i> knew he had a pin in his hip.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hu\u2014 Huh?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Yes, Dad, I knew he had.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He can be dealt with otherwise. We\u2019re not trying to torture. We\u2019re trying to get people to\u2014 to behave<\/i>. He\u2019s all right. He not got any problem here.<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I worked just like the rest of them, even though it\u2014 it don\u2019t make me nu\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What?<\/p>\n

Rory: <\/b>I work just like everybody else do, the pin don\u2019t make no\u2014<\/p>\n

Quiet voice.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> One does feel guilty, yes, all the time, but that\u2019s good. (Pause) It\u2019ll be always (unintelligible word)\u2014 Invariably when we se\u2014 make a impulsive move, I\u2019ve always found myself, when I made one, it uh, it\u2019ll be in the wrong place. (Short laugh) It\u2019s been my luck always<\/i>, Stephan, so join the crowd. Stephan said he felt guilty<\/i>. But you still<\/i> had no reason to hold us up at this hour, my son. (Pause) And your leader<\/i> is\u2014 Your\u2014\u00a0Your\u2014\u00a0I\u2014 These meetings are hell on me. And if that\u2019s<\/i> hell on you, if I go before I\u2019m supposed to. Sit down. Recall, to keep that in mind, medical people, though, to get these reports up. They shouldn\u2019t be the requirement of the mother. The mother shouldn\u2019t have had to say it. The medical department shoulda known. Because she can\u2019t get up there and be defensive for him. She did a good job. (Pause) The medical department shoulda jumped<\/i> up there quick.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Can we hear something from the medical department?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Screams) Yes. Goddamn it. Yes, goddamn it.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calmer) Goddamn it to hell. Stand there like logs on a bum\u2014\u00a0bump on a fucking log. (Pause) How\u2019s the hip? Look at him. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Why are you doing that, Laura? Why the fuck are you so fucking (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, why (unintelligible) in our\u2014\u00a0our face again?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Everybody else sit your asses down, so we can move out. Sit down.<\/p>\n

Another male:<\/b> Do you want to get zapped? Someone ought to nail her<\/i> ass.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, that\u2019s true. That\u2019s true. I\u2019m a son-of-a-bitch, it\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Are you working slow?<\/p>\n

Laura: <\/b>I\u2014 I thought I was\u2014\u00a0I thought I\u2019d picked up\u2014 I swear<\/i>, I thought I\u2019d picked up, and I had not been talking.<\/p>\n

Hubbub. Questions about who reported something.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Did you ask for\u2014 Did he ask for\u2014 to change, because he had pain in the hip?<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> No, when he came to committee, there was nothing about no medical.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>He was just fine, (unintelligible), to be fair.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>There was nothing I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The medical could check\u2014 could check his ass out. I\u2019da heard<\/i> about it from Schacht, I think, if there\u2019d been any grave situation, any noticeable change in his hip.<\/p>\n

Schacht: <\/b>I didn\u2019t know about this\u2014\u00a0I just heard that he had a problem today, but I didn\u2019t under\u2014 understand it, I didn\u2019t know what his problem was, but we\u2014<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>That was not the basis of the job change\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That wa\u2014 There wasn\u2019t any word mentioned<\/i> about that.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Wasn\u2019t even mentioned. We didn\u2019t\u2014 we had no prior knowledge\u2014<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/b>No\u2014 That\u2014\u00a0My point was, when I came back in here with Earl, I (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, from where I\u2014 I don\u2019t give a goddammit, where is it\u2014 that nobody else in the house\u2014 one person in the medical department know this shit, and not everybody. You should alert everybody<\/i>. You should all care about everybody like they were your own children. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Schacht: <\/b>That\u2019s right. You\u2019re right, Dad. That\u2019s absolutely right.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>One person who don\u2019t even have a child, says that\u2019s right. (Unintelligible sentence)<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> Do I say something, (Unintelligible phrase) Jay warned you to open your goddamn mouth.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/b>I was\u2014\u00a0I didn\u2019t know that they didn\u2019t know<\/i>, Dad. I mean, everybody in San Francisco worked with me. I\u2014 I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, I\u2014 I\u2014 How do you know they don\u2019t know. You ought to know<\/i> they don\u2019t know. You ought to assume<\/i> that right away, they wouldn\u2019t know nor remember. You gotta constantly educate.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/b>I\u2019m sorry. It\u2014\u00a0It was my fault.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All<\/i> emergency cases, where\u2019s there any danger of injury, they should be told, \u2018cause people don\u2019t give a shit.<\/p>\n

Joyce: <\/b>I\u2014 I agree. And that\u2019s my fault.<\/p>\n

Voices too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, we\u2019re all going to have to know one another. They\u2019re all our children. In spite on the hell we may thump<\/i> on each other, we\u2019re gonna fight for each other.<\/p>\n

Scattered: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

One voice:<\/b> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. (Pause) You can\u2019t be predictable. One thing I can\u2019t be is predictable. I don\u2019t dare. Mercy\u2019s just been run over hog<\/i> wild. Woman tells our security, everything else. So I can\u2019t be predictable. I\u2019m merciful, I\u2019m gentle by nature, but I can\u2019t be predictable. And I won\u2019t be. So don\u2019t count on it.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>Could I\u2014 Could I say that I think it\u2019s fairly important that if we have people here with medical problems, that this job<\/i> committee should know about, that the medical<\/i> team should get that information to the job committee.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Sighs) They gotta get it to them now. Absolutely now. Have an emergency meeting about that tomorrow, and let us know of any defects or problems that could be aggravated by anything else. Just like Mary Tschetter. I saw her fight with two men. Uh, it\u2019s a big, big job, because she has joint problems. And you men have to know that. You gotta know these sen\u2014 these seniors who are doing this thing and these middle-aged ladies who are doing this\u2014 this remarkable<\/i> fighting, they\u2014 they\u2019ve got\u2014 you\u2019ve got to know this\u2014 All security got to know every medical problem they have when you grab them. (Pause) And how you defend with them. (Pause) Now, Laura, will you tell\u2014 Who\u2014 Where is the complainant against this woman?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>I am, Dad. Today, uh, in all the time we was in the bush, we was working with three different crews, and Laura, she\u2019s still trying to supervise<\/i>, you know, and she\u2014\u00a0like I be telling her one thing to do, she would jump in and start talking, and today, we was covering the peanuts, and I doubled back on her two or three times. Danny was out there, he can tell you the same thing, and I kept telling her\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Is it true? Is it true? (Pause) And I found him to testify wrongly. Now, what do you have to say, sister? I always testify, and I find certain people who tell the truth pretty accurately, and this sister\u2019s new to me, so I\u2019ll test it. What do you got to say now?<\/p>\n

Laura: <\/b>I was mistaken. I must not have been working as fast. I\u2019m sure her report is accurate.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Still supervising\u2014<\/p>\n

Laura: <\/b>Um\u2014<\/p>\n

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End of tape<\/p>\n

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Tape originally posted September 2003<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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