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Garry Lambrev:<\/strong> It\u2019s like, the sky is\u2013 is caving in. The bottom, the glass bottom, is just cracking and falling out, and I just seem to be going\u2013 all my dead ends seem to be meeting at one place, which is where I am and all I want is an out. And when I got up this m\u2013\u00a0I couldn\u2019t sleep last night, although I took some medication (unintelligible). And uh, after three hours of sleep I just got up and just\u2013 yeah, I\u2013 I couldn\u2019t stand being around the relatives. Nobody I\u2013\u00a0Nobody (unintelligible) incredible freak, and I had to get down here to settle my job, but\u2013\u00a0and I got on the bus, and I got into an even f\u2013 even more (unintelligible word) freakier place, which is a dead end, dead end place, and I started\u2013 I started contemplating seriously about how I could get out of this\u2013 just get out<\/em> of this\u2013 and I know it\u2019s the most selfish thing in the world<\/em>, but it was just like, how to get out of this, (unintelligible) and (sighs) I\u2019ve\u2013 I\u2019ve been thinking of those sleeping pills, and I starting noticing all these mortuaries along the way, and I just got\u2013 it got worse and worse and worse and worse, and I couldn\u2019t\u2013\u00a0I couldn\u2019t rest, I couldn\u2019t sleep, I couldn\u2019t do anything in my mind, I started going on a death trip, just miles a minutes. And\u2013 (Pause) I\u2019ve gone on them mildly before, and yesterday, I was in a really bleak suicidal place, and I went to\u2013 thoughts of suicide kept coming up again and again and again, but today, it was just desperate. Like the only thing that I could consider or conceive, because there\u2019s no hope. And I think that\u2019s blasphemy, (short laugh) but that\u2019s emotionally how (unintelligible word)\u2013 how I was feeling.<\/p>\n

Karen Layton:<\/strong> What is your feeling about the church<\/em> now?<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> My feeling about the church is very positive, only it might\u2013 my fear is that I can\u2019t make it, that it\u2019s just as impossible staying out here, and then I\u2019m caught in (unintelligible word) is part of the problem is caught in a dead end trap, where I couldn\u2019t make it and I couldn\u2019t break my habits. You know what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> But the ch\u2013 the church has nothing to do with your feeling suicidal, though, does it?<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> (Pause) Well, except the\u2013\u00a0except for this being caught between two worlds. I don\u2019t blame the church at all, no.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> What do you think is the\u2013 uh, the main<\/em> reason for you feeling that you want to kill yourself?<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> (Pause) Just being inadequate and just\u2013 that\u2019s\u2013 just inadequate as a human being. My emotional relationships, it\u2019s not being my mother\u2019s (unintelligible word) my emotional relationships\u2013 my relation\u2013 relationship with my male lover (unintelligible word) me a little bit.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Garry\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> It\u2019s just that it isn\u2019t right. I don\u2019t know that it\u2019s actually disintegrating but maybe my\u2013 what I\u2019m seeing is (unintelligible word), and my relationships with\u2013 with other people, and just feeling just like a mouse.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Is it\u2013 Do you feel, Garry, that you can\u2019t get out of the emotional\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> That\u2019s<\/em> it, Karen\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> \u2013level?<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> It\u2019s just\u2013 I can\u2019t get\u2013 (stumbles over words) It\u2019s like a dead end cycle<\/em>. I don\u2019t know how<\/em> to get myself out of it. I can break it for a moment, I can break it for maybe\u2013 for a day<\/em>, and maybe that\u2019s entirely enough to function, but to really<\/em> function<\/em>\u2013 and then something happens and I get back in it, my body slowly becomes spasmodic and then paralyzed, my mind becomes freakier and freakier and freakier, then I really become desperate and then I\u2013 I thought\u2013 I thought about, well, committing myself to a hospital, there\u2019s a really good hospital nearby. But I\u2019m much\u2013 There\u2019s nothing they can do for me. They can\u2019t even put me out of my (unintelligible word), they just sedate me so much that I can\u2019t cause any problems, but I\u2019ve seen people when they\u2019ve been sedated (unintelligible word), and uh\u2013 like, the brain doesn\u2019t cease functioning, but the mind (unintelligible) its ability, and the body loses its ability to communicate, and then socially no longer a problem. And uh, that\u2019s all I can really see\u2013 Maybe I\u2019m being a pessimist\u2019s pessimist, but I\u2019ve been through a lot of trips, and I\u2019ve become awfully cynical. And that\u2019s just about the trips of what I\u2019m capable of doing in terms of the\u2013\u00a0and uh, (Pause) I don\u2019t want to ask the impossible. I\u2013 (unintelligible) I\u2013 By the very nature of the fact that I called Liz [Forman] and talked to her, asking the impossible. And I hate\u2013 I don\u2019t know, I just\u2013 I want to be able to break this myself. I want to be able to break this and get out of it for good, and establish a decent, functional pattern so I can function on a job, even begin to think of functioning in the church.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> You don\u2019t think, say, moving up here or something like that would\u2013 would be of\u2013 uh, any answer for you?<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I think that would<\/em> help a lot. Uh\u2013 (Pause) I\u2019ve got to get\u2013 I have got sixty\u2013 I\u2019ve got sixty days in which I have to\u2013 I have to stay here (unintelligible) my house, and I (unintelligible) tentatively I\u2013 I accepted this job. I don\u2019t know whether I\u2019m going to be able to follow through at this point. You know, I\u2019m feeling better than I was three hours ago by a long shot. (Short laugh) I feel worlds\u2013 you know, worlds of\u2013 worlds away from where I was then, and uh\u2013 you, know, I attributed it to Father. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> I\u2019m sure.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> (unintelligible, faint) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> It\u2019s funny, because about three hours ago, I\u2013\u00a0I called him, you know, and told him that uh, Liz\u2013 I talked to Liz, you know, and he told me to get a hold of you right away, which I did<\/em>, but uh, the line was busy, and then I had to go into town and make another call, but it was just about three hours ago, I think.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> It\u2019s beautiful you didn\u2019t get through to me because I hadn\u2019t arrived here yet.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Oh yeah?<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Everything was perfectly (unintelligible word, could be \u201csettled\u201d or \u201cset up\u201d).<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> There are no accidents.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Actually, I was worried that Jim was going to call me and asked if I\u2019d gotten a hold of you or something, and I was worried about uh\u2013 that I hadn\u2019t been as responsible, but I did have to go into town and, uh, you know, this was the last day I could go uh, (unintelligible under Garry)\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Karen, I really<\/em> appreciate your call and Father\u2019s call and concern. I really didn\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Well, he<\/em> said\u2013\u00a0you know, anything that we could do to help, like if you wanted to move up here or, you know, whatever we do that uh\u2013 to tell you to just keep holding on to hope, because\u2013 and you thinking on him and looking at his example\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Oh, wow\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> \u2013because he\u2019s\u2013 his life is\u2013 is such agony\u2013 agony and misery and\u2013 and uh, depression<\/em>, but he goes on because he know he\u2019s needed, you know, and with your mind, which is\u2013 (unintelligible) with your mind that uh, you can just do phenomenal<\/em> things, you know, if you just can uh, hold it\u2013\u00a0get yourself together<\/em> and get over this uh\u2013 your emotional uh, indulgences<\/em>, really, or whatever, you know, uh\u2013 Not\u2013 I mean, not\u2013 I\u2019m not saying that in a judgmental sense, you know\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> No, that\u2019s (unintelligible under Karen)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> \u2013because we all have<\/em> them, you know. But uh, he wanted to just do anything we could<\/em>, and then he had to go out of town too. (Sighs)<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> (unintelligible under Karen) especially considering the fact that he was\u2013 he was all\u2013 up all night (unintelligible word), you probably were too.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> (unintelligible word) I really appreciate your concern all the more.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Oh, sure. I mean, that\u2019s nothing. But uh\u2013 (Pause) I just\u2013 I just don\u2019t know what we can\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I\u2019m gonna\u2013 What I\u2019m gonna see if I can pull through on this job this weekend and into next week, and (pause) depending on what\u2019s happening then, if that doesn\u2019t work out, I don\u2019t know\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013 (Pause) (Exhales noisily) talk more about it next\u2013\u00a0next Wednesday when I come up.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot<\/em> of people you could stay with up here. I know uh, Bonnie and Don [Beck] are going to be happy<\/em> to have you. I don\u2019t know\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Thank them for the\u2013 for the welcome.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Please thank them for me.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Uh, she mentioned that to me, you know\u2013\u00a0But I mean there\u2019s a lot of people. I don\u2019t know how you feel about staying there. There\u2019s a lot of people you could stay with. That wouldn\u2019t be any problem at all. Do you\u2013\u00a0Do you think that you could get along\u2013 Is it that the sexual aspect of it or is it hangs you up, I mean, you feel that you can\u2019t get by without it or you\u2013 I mean, I don\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s part of it, in all honesty. I think that\u2019s part of it. (Pause) And how big a part\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> And it\u2019s just leading you to destruction, that\u2019s\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Yeah. Uh, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013 I know it\u2019s not the whole thing. (Pause) Uh\u2013 (Pause) Thank<\/em> Bonnie and Don for their invitation, and tell them that I may\u2013 I\u2019ll keep in contact with them about it.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Uh, it\u2019s funny \u2018cause I\u2019d even thought of them specifically. (Short laugh) (unintelligible under Karen)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Oh, you had?<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Yeah. That way it could flash through my mind. Uh\u2013 (pause) I don\u2019t know what I\u2019m going to try\u2013 What I\u2019m going to try to do are two things. One is to begin to come off these drugs, and two, to see if I can hold down this job. Uh\u2013 Right now, I just don\u2019t know what\u2013 exactly where I stand with myself, but I\u2019m capable of coming through onto me, and (short laugh) if I need<\/em> to, uh\u2013 I really appreciate having a place that I can come and stay. Uh\u2013 I don\u2019t know how\u2013 what sort of a guest I\u2019ll be (unintelligible word) that\u2019s very\u2013\u00a0that\u2019s very freaked out.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s okay. We\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll tell you if you\u2019re doing something wrong. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> You know us.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Yeah. (Pause) Karen?<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Listen, thanks for the call. Is there a number at which I can reach you?<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Yeah. 485-<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Hold on (unintelligible word). Let me get\u2013\u00a0get a pencil here. (Pause) 485-<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> 7656.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> 7656.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Umm-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Okay. Did you get my note, by the way?<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Uh, yeah, I did, I got it today, and I (laughs)\u2013 I was really shocked to get it, I\u2013 it\u2013\u00a0you didn\u2019t have to do that, Garry, that was nothing.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Oh, I felt\u2013\u00a0I felt so ridiculous, I thought, jeez, what an incredible\u2013 I was just completely (unintelligible word) so taken by surprise when I saw you.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> (Laughs) That was nothing. I did look bad that day. That was all right. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> (laughs) Anyway. I didn\u2019t want you to feel terrible about that.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> No, I didn\u2019t. It was okay.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Oh yeah, I didn\u2019t feel bad about it. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Listen, kiddo, thanks a million for the call.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Okay, well, we\u2019re thinking about you, Garry, and\u2013 and please let us know or let Jim know if we can do anything about (unintelligible under Garry)<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I sure will, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> \u2013at all, because he does love you, and he really does.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I really believe that, I really know that. Uh\u2013 (unintelligible word under Karen)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> He felt bad when I\u2013\u00a0when I told him that uh\u2013 what Liz said, he felt really bad and\u2013 you know, that you were, you know, feeling so down and out, and uh\u2013 He doesn\u2019t want you to go through this, he really doesn\u2019t. He wants to (unintelligible word) pain.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Well, the physical things have begun to go away as of this morning.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Well, all<\/em> pain, you know. And if you could get really involved in this, he\u2013 you\u2013\u00a0you\u2019d\u2013 you wouldn\u2019t have to suffer like you\u2019re going\u2013\u00a0like you\u2019re putting yourself through right now, you know. Because you could be so<\/em> productive, Garry, and so\u2013 you\u2019re so talented, you could be really<\/em> productive and really uh, do a lot to help others, you know, and get out of your own\u2013 your own\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Get out of my own shit. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> \u2013self, you know. I mean, it\u2019s really fulfilling<\/em> working for the cause, you know.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I hate being\u2013\u00a0I hate being so caught\u2013 There\u2019s something that was said\u2013 was said last night about just being so caught up in your own self, that it\u2019s sheer hell, and only when you start (unintelligible word), you start living, you start being concerned about others, uh, do you get out of that. And work\u2013 it works for other reason than (unintelligible word) you\u2019re forced to get out of yourself. And uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> If you\u2019re gonna die, you might as well die for the cause<\/em>. You know? I mean, you might as well die a noble<\/em> death than die a\u2013 a coward\u2019s death, really.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Because uh\u2013 hell, if you\u2019re gonna\u2013\u00a0if you\u2019re gonna\u2013\u00a0if you hate yourself that you\u2019re going to go into that<\/em> much oblivion, you might as well just stay alive for a while and hate yourself and do something to\u2013 to make it a better world for other people, you know.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> The other thing is\u2013 Like being,\u00a0when you get in that space, to even conceive of anything else but just living in that space, getting out of it. (unintelligible word) In fact, from here to the next step is the hardest.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> I know. I know, but you know<\/em> too much, Garry. You really do. You know too much to\u2013 to take that way out.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> (unintelligible under Karen) Oh well, I don\u2019t want to. I really don\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> And just think, you\u2019d have to\u2013 to regress all that way back and start it all over again.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> And go through the same shit again. It\u2019s just not worth<\/em> it. If we can just hold on for a few more years, you know, and then everybody graduates. You know about that. Just graduate and\u2013\u00a0and get out of this goddamn mess. \u2018Cause if you come back\u2013\u00a0if you do it, and you come back, karmatically, and Jim won\u2019t be here\u2013 he won\u2019t be here to help, you know. It\u2019ll be a horrible place. Just think of living through this hell again\u2013<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I thought of that, Karen\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> \u2013after a nuclear war, and Jim wouldn\u2019t be here. (Pause) Knowing that uh, uh, you know, that you\u2019d come this far in every lifetime.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Umm-hmm. I\u2019m having real tr\u2013 I\u2019m having real problem to just getting with this relationship that (unintelligible) for years, that (unintelligible) really became a relationship once again after I left the church, like almost immediately after I left the church. And (sighs) I\u2019ve talked to Liz a little bit about it, and (pause) I\u2019d like to be able to talk some other people. If I don\u2019t know what to\u2013 I\u2019m in an incredibly emotional bind (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Well, ca\u2013 can you come this weekend? Why don\u2019t you talk to us this weekend about it? Why don\u2019t you try to go on the trip this weekend?<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got\u2013 I\u2019ve got to work, but if I can\u2019t come through on that, I will (unintelligible word, sounds like \u201cmelt\u201d)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> If you don\u2019t<\/em> go to work, you might as well go on a trip<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I sure will.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> And\u2013 and uh, we\u2019d be happy to spend some time talking with you about it.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Thanks, Karen.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Well, let me find\u2013 I\u2019ll find out tomorrow, can I\u2013 would I\u2013 how\u2013 how would I go to the trip. Does somebody come to the\u2013 up (unintelligible word) San Francisco?<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Oh, yeah, just come. Yeah. Just come to the meeting in San Francisco.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Okay. Okay. Either that or else sometime\u2013 or else on Wednesday next week.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Yeah, sure.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Okay? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Or come up now<\/em>, I mean, it\u2013 you know, if you\u2019re not gonna\u2013 if you\u2019re feeling you\u2019re not gonna make it in the job anyway, you might as well just come on up now. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019ll know\u2013 I\u2019ll know between now and\u2013\u00a0between now and Friday night.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Right, well, if you get too<\/em> depressed, Garry, g\u2013 get on a bus and get up here.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I\u2019ll do that (unintelligible word under Karen)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> And call somebody and we\u2019ll have somebody pick you up or something, but don\u2019t<\/em> stay there and uh, get into<\/em> this thing again. It\u2019s just not worth it.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Thanks. Thanks a million. I\u2019ll take you up on that suggestion. I really mean\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Okay, well, thank Jim, because that\u2019s\u2013 just thank Jim and I\u2013 Just thinking on him, okay?<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> I will.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Just thinking on him and all his agony and how he keeps pushing himself, you know? Because you are<\/em> needed, and he<\/em> needs you. He needs you to\u2013 to help him carry on<\/em> this mess, you know.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> It\u2019s the only thing I\u2013\u00a0It\u2019s the only thing I\u2019ve ever met in my life that I\u2019ve believed in. In my entire life.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> I know. It is the only thing. It is<\/em> the only thing.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> So that\u2019s good (unintelligible word under Karen)\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> And he is the only real thing in the world, the only non-manipulative, non-self-serving\u2013 (short laugh)<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> You know, totally pure. The only one. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Every time I\u2019ve gone out, I\u2019ve come back to the same thing. (unintelligible word under Karen)<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> I know.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Only more intensely each time. It\u2019s just\u2013<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> I know.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> This seems so obvious. But how to get myself in the state of mi\u2013 state of mind and body where I can (Pause) do it (exhale). The work. (Pause) Listen, I\u2019m not going to hang you up any more on this phone, this\u2013 Thanks so much for calling.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Okay. We\u2019ll see you, Garry.<\/p>\n

Garry:<\/strong> Okay. Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Karen:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

(Phone disconnects)<\/em><\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted May 2013<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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