{"id":27504,"date":"2013-06-16T00:20:39","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:20:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27504"},"modified":"2014-04-08T21:30:36","modified_gmt":"2014-04-08T21:30:36","slug":"q629","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27504","title":{"rendered":"Q629 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Part 1: One side of a phone call <\/b><\/p>\n

I don\u2019t know if you know me, I\u2019m calling for Mike Prokes, right. Apparently he had told<\/i> you about a situation that\u2019s been developing with regards to a newspaper article. (Pause) Yeah. (Pause) Not yet. We hope it won\u2019t be, ever. (Pause) Yeah. (Pause) I see. (Pause) Okay. (Pause) Mmm-hmm. (Pause) Oh, good. (Pause) Okay, good. Um, would you rather uh, that (struggles for words) you could call us back. (Pause) Okay. That\u2019d be good. We\u2019d just sort of like to know what\u2019s\u2014 (Pause) Okay, good. (Pause) Mmm-hmm. (Pause) Mmm-hmm. (Pause) Mmm-hmm. (Pause) Yes. (Pause) Correct. And his refusal<\/i> to, to rely on first hand, factual, verifiable information, well, about our programs and about what we do, and speaking directly and having an interview with uh, with Jim Jones\u2014 (Pause) Well, he\u2019s\u2014\u00a0he\u2019s not going<\/i> with an interview. I mean, he hasn\u2019t been able to get<\/i> one yet because there\u2019ve been, uh, so many difficulties in arranging one, so he\u2019s\u2014 instead of waiting for one, and go\u2014 and doing it professionally, he said, I\u2019m not going to\u2014 well, I\u2019m not going to bother an interview. (Pause) Right, and he\u2019s going to do it in such a way, he said that uh, so that he can\u2019t be sued<\/i>, well, that this is people\u2019s impressions, you know, he\u2019ll write a gossip-type of, of article which I think is outrageous. (Pause) Right. (Pause) Oh. (Pause) Oh, okay. (Pause) I see. Right. (Pause) Mmm-hmm. (Pause) Mmm-hmm. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(Ed. note: Two or three other people in the same room are engaged in similar phone calls. Most of the other conversations are unintelligible, overwhelmed by the caller closest to the microphone; nevertheless, we were able to discern words such as “guardianship”, “FCC” and “Customs”, which were among the Temple\u2019s principle concerns at the time.)<\/p>\n

(Gap of several minutes between Segments 1 and 2)<\/p>\n

Part 2: Phone conversation between Mike Prokes and unknown reporter<\/b><\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Uh, what\u2019s uh, happening so far is the orange juice uh, Florida orange juice boycott, I understand you uh\u2014 Jim Jones uh\u2014 uh, has urged uh, members of the Temple to observe that boycott. Is\u2014 Is that correct?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Uh, well, he\u2019s been away<\/i> for some time, I\u2019m not sure if he did before he left or not, uh, I guess he\u2019s been gone three weeks.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> But uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Well, the boy\u2014 the\u2014 the boycott beg\u2014 I mean, efforts to organize it began uh, longer ago than three weeks.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah, what \u2014 yeah, so he could have, because I, I was away too. But uh, uh, probably the best<\/i> person to contact<\/i> would be uh, Howard Wallace\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> \u2014 in the gay community.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> And uh\u2014 Do you know how to reach him?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I have a number, yes, uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah, I would say he, he\u2019s the best one, but ah\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I understand \u2014 is it correct that he, he spoke to uh, to your member\u2014 to the Temple? Did he\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> I believe so. Yeah, I believe so.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> You didn\u2019t hear him yourself?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Well, one question: uh, your membership uh, is now what, of the uh, Peoples Temple.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Numbers, you mean?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> It\u2019s 9000, over 9000 in this area.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> 9000 in this area (sound of typing.) Okay, um, and what, what does the \u2014 you, you\u2019ve uh, you have that, that newspaper that you uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Peoples Forum<\/i>?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> What\u2014 Peoples Forum<\/i>, it\u2019s called?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> And have you had articles about the boycott uh, in there?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Well, the last one that came out that \u2014 no, it\u2014 it\u2019s come out uh, about every month\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> \u2014 and uh, so far we haven\u2019t had uh, anything on that situation.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> But you\u2019ve done<\/i> it\u2014 You\u2019ve done<\/i> it by way of uh, Sunday services?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I see. Um, and do you remember what, what uh, actually was said<\/i>, either by Jim Jones or anybody else on the subject?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> No. I could find out and get back to you.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I sure would appreciate, just, just what<\/i> the position is uh, you know, what his\u2014 if anybody actually heard Jim Jones preach on the subject<\/i>, uh, I would be interested to know what he said<\/i>, uh, uh. I can call Wallace myself, but you know, the more information, the better.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Right. Uh\u2014 How soon do you have to have the information?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Well, today or tomorrow would be fine.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

(Abrupt end to conversation, cut into Part 3.)<\/p>\n

Part 3: In progress phone conversation between Prokes and unknown reporter, most likely George Hunter, publisher of the Ukiah Daily Journal<\/i><\/strong><\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> \u2014a guy we understood called you, and we\u2019re trying to check out his uh, credibility, uh, and thought maybe you could\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Well, geez, if it\u2019s a Chronicle <\/i>guy, I didn\u2019t write his name down or anything, I just uh, bucked him over to Tim [probably Tim Reiterman, a reporter for The San Francisco Chronicle<\/i>].<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Oh. Uh, oh, I see, yeah. (Talking over each other.) Did he ask any questions?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Oh, he asked me a few questions about background. I just simply stated that I\u2019d had\u2014 had nothing but the most pleasant relationships with the church, and uh, and uh, but I had sort of an idea that, that whatever questions he did<\/i> ask were based on uh, the uh, faith-healing.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Uh-huh. Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> And so I didn\u2019t know exactly what he was up to. I thought he was just a Chronicle <\/i>guy that was uh, going to do a piece<\/i>, but uh, I told him that uh, I certainly wasn\u2019t the best source and then I referred him over to Tim.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah. Do you remember any specific thing he asked?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Well it\u2019s uh, it\u2019s hard to say. He didn\u2019t uh\u2014 he didn\u2019t ask any real probing<\/i> questions, they were just uh, more or less the uh, uh, the history of the church, just broadly<\/i>, in the broadest terms\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014in this area, which I, which I uh, gave to him, and about all the uh\u2014\u00a0as a matter of fact, (Laughs) he called me when I was pretty stretched, so I didn\u2019t\u2014\u00a0I wasn\u2019t about to pull my, file you know, and uh, and uh, give him everything. I just gave him the top, off the top of my head.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014 that Jim has served on the Human Rights Commission in Indianapolis, and uh, that uh, he had uh, uh, you know, gave the approximate time when he had arrived here in Redwood Valley, and just<\/i>, other than that, I just you know just on the basis that\u2014 there\u2019d never, never anything but the most pleasant relationship between the church and the newspaper\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Uh-huh<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014 and just let it go at that.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Uh-huh. And then he asked what you knew about the faith-healing ministry?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> No, he didn\u2019t. No, no, he did not. Uh\u2014 the only thing he did<\/i>, he mentioned that uh, what he was asking<\/i> questions about related uh, to uh, the uh, faith-healing and apparently to uh, the tremendous following that Jim now has in the uh, larger cities in the coast.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> I see. I see.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> And so I just can\u2019t you any more than that, Mike, I just, just don\u2019t have the information. I just wasn\u2019t about to be pulled into a detailed conversation or anything\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Right\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014because as I say, I was just busy when he called.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Right, well, he\u2019s\u2014 from feedback we\u2019ve gotten, from others he\u2019s asked questions of, he\u2019s conducted himself in, well, let\u2019s say less than a professional manner.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> And uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Well, why don\u2019t you call the editors of the Chronicle<\/i>, then?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Well, I\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I don\u2019t know if you got a staff member that\u2019s going around asking questions for a story\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah, that\u2019s what uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Have you got a name on this guy yet?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah. It\u2019s something like Ki\u2014 uh, Kaldorff [Marshall Kilduff] or something like that.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> And uh, he uh, it\u2019s just uh\u2014 he\u2019s misrepresenting<\/i> himself, evidently.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Well, he did say Chronicle<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> He did.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Okay. Well, that\u2019s interesting. Well, I appreciate it, uh, George [probably George Hunter, publisher of the Ukiah Daily Journal<\/i>].<\/p>\n

Part 4: In progress phone conversation between Prokes and unknown reporter<\/strong><\/p>\n

(Ed. note: See also Tape Q 630, Part 3, for later conversation with same reporter)<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> In our (unintelligible) conversation, you say that you had not<\/i> talked with him because uh, he\u2019s said some things which indicated that uh, well, several people think that, you know, he\u2019s the seen your article, the article that, you know, you\u2019d written on us. And uh, we\u2019re trying to uh, find out uh, what he\u2019s uh, up to\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> \u2014 because the feedback that we\u2019ve gotten.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I see no<\/i> way he could have seen that article. There were four copies, I believe, one of which I guess you still have, and the other three are with me and the editors.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> And I\u2019ve, I\u2019ve never showed it to him.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> I see. Did- Did you say that he asked to see it?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Well, when we had our original conversation, the day I, I left uh, for the east, um, we\u2019d talked about getting together and, and possibly talking to each other about what we had um uh\u2014 various things we knew as a result of our\u2014 our looking into the stories. At that time I knew nothing<\/i> about Kilduff, except that he was a reporter for the Chronicle<\/i>. Um. Subsequently to that, I kind of asked about him, and found out he was not<\/i> someone I\u2014 I would\u2014\u00a0quite apart from the controversy that uh, arose around<\/i> this story, I found out he was not someone I, I really wanted to talk with to begin with.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm. Did\u2014 Did he approach you, or uh, did you\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> (Straightforward) The original contact was me to him<\/i> as a result of my having gotten that information that he had\u2014 was doing the story\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014um, and that there had been some pressure to have him not<\/i> do the story. So that original phone call before I left was from me. And then, when I came back, all the contacts were the other way around, with his phoning me.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Mmm-hmm. How many times did he call?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I think he phoned three times, two or th\u2014 I think it was three.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> The third one conceivably was my phoning him back to tell him you\u2014 that I, uh, you know, didn\u2019t want to get together with him.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Mmm-hmm, mmm-hmm. Okay, uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Is he still working on the story?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Well, (struggles for words) people call<\/i> us and uh, uh, yesterday we got a call and uh, he\u2019s still, you know, asking questions\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> \u2014 and he\u2019s uh, going about it and so it\u2019s a uh, well, a less than professional manner.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> And uh, we\u2014 there\u2019s a, there\u2019s a likelihood that uh, we\u2019re going to sue him\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> \u2014because of something that uh\u2014 well, a couple of things that uh, he said, and uh, we have people that uh, look like they\u2019ll be willing to uh, you know, testify. So what we\u2019re trying to do, is see if he uh, intends to uh, uh, publish \u2014\u00a0or try to get it published \u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> \u2014 (unintelligible word) uh, we\u2019ll initiate a suit.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Um, but uh, I guess (struggles for words) when, when was your last contact with him?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> The Wednesday of the week I got back\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014 which, um, I got back on Easter day, so whatever the Wednesday right after that was.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Mmm-hmm. It\u2019s just, uh, the way he\u2019s tried to get information is uh, uh, highly questionable.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> In what ways have they been unprofessional?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Well, he uh, has represented himself as being uh, something other than what he is.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> And he\u2019s said things about us that uh, are, uh, unbelievably outrageous.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> (Incredulous) Huh. In the course of the interview?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Of, of\u2014 yes, questioning people about us.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Kinda strange (Laughs).<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> So.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> That\u2019s not a very good way to conduct interviews<\/i>, among other things.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> No, and it\u2019s not just uh, you know\u2014 we\u2019ve got it back from more than one person, so\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Huh.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> \u2014it\u2019s uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Have you talked to him about it?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Uh, yes, we have.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> And uh, he uh, sort of gives you the run-around.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Huh.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> But uh, it\u2019s uh\u2014 I think that he\u2014 he still intends on pursuing this, so uh, I think uh, we have no alternative but uh\u2014 it\u2019s legal stuff still (unintelligible word). It depends on what he\u2019s going to do, I guess.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> So\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Well, I\u2019ve never met the guy, I\u2019ve just uh, heard he\u2019s kind of somewhat young and arrogant.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> That\u2019s, that\u2019s the extent of my direct knowledge.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Right. Okay. I guess you had somebody here yesterday (unintelligible phrase), covered the World Peace Council.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Oh right, yeah, I uh, scheduled \u2014 Someone told me they were going down, I forget who that was.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Was it a good meeting?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah, it was. It was uh, very interesting.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Good turnout?<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah, yeah, it was a good turnout.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Good, good.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Okay, Mike.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Take care. Bye.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Bye bye.<\/p>\n

Part 5: Phone conversation between Prokes and unknown reporter<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I, I don\u2019t ever<\/i> recall having mentioned that, um, the very first conversation, the one on the day before I left, uh, was some amount of kind of talking. I was interested in, in what he was doing. This was the first I\u2019d heard about that someone else was working on a story on Peoples Temple, and I don\u2019t think I really told him\u2014 I think I, I mainly kind of asked him<\/i> what he<\/i> was doing.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm, umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Um. Problem is, my notes on that are \u2014 (laughs) Uh, I took all the stuff with me East and then I mailed it all back, or some friend of mine mailed it all back to me, \u2018cause I was going to Mexico and I didn\u2019t want to take all that stuff with me. And it hadn\u2019t yet arrived\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014including my notes on that conversation. But my memory was that virtually everything being kind of a one way \u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014conversation of uh, uh, my asking him what he was doing.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm. (Phone rings). Could you hold just one second?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Sure.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> (Off main phone) I\u2019m on the phone, can I call you back? (Back on.) Okay, go ahead.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Um. The plane thing, I don\u2019t know what to say, \u2018cause that\u2019s something that uh, someone had told me and conceivably the same person who uh, told him that information, uh, uh, mentioned it to, to Kilduff as well.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm, umm-hmm, umm-hmm. So\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> And it wasn\u2019t uh\u2014\u00a0As I recall, it wasn\u2019t said in an unfriendly manner. It was actually\u2014\u00a0when I talked to that person later, \u2018cause I wanted to check on some facts\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> You\u2014 you think it\u2019s possible he could have heard it from the same person?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> It\u2019s conceivable. It, I mean\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> It could be the same source.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> This person actually said that he had maybe been mistaken as far as\u2014 what he had heard<\/i> was that had \u2014 there were two people introduced as pilots.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Uh, I think\u2014 as I recall\u2014 Again, these notes are, it\u2019s in the notes, but uh, there was a man and a woman\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Oh yeah (talk over reporter)<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014introduced as the Temple\u2019s pilots.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> And I guess he had had inferred from that, that if the Temple had pilots, it had a plane.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I talked with him later, he said he\u2014 that was possibly an incorrect inference.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah. I\u2014 I know who that is, I think.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Dave Whitaker, but\u2014 did, uh, do you think there was uh, uh, any\u2014 (Pause) I mean, you don\u2019t think that you gave any information that, uh, was in the article, just inadvertently (talk over each other) \u2014\u00a0a few other things\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Yeah, I can\u2019t remember really having passed on any of the information from the article.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm. Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Um, I\u2014 I don\u2019t see any reason that particular point would have, would have been any of it\u2014\u00a0if there was any more general\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> \u2014anything about the Fillmore Center? There\u2019s some reference in there about us, involvement, wanting to get involved in the Fillmore Center. Unless I (talk over each other)<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> I cannot really\u2014 it\u2019s really hard, because it was what, now like three or four weeks ago that conversation\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014and it was a very rushed one because I was about to leave. And obviously I was kind of also\u2014 it was a very upsetting time, obviously, so\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014(talk over each other) may make my memory less than sharp, but, I, I can\u2019t really<\/i> recall any, my having transmitted any specific information from the article to him.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Um.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Okay. Well\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> If, if\u2014 I hope<\/i> these notes are going to arrive. If, after looking at them, I uh, if that refreshes my memory to the extent that I realize what I did<\/i> say more to him, I can get back to you on that, but I\u2019m, I\u2019m almost<\/i> positive uh, uh, that there wasn\u2019t anything like that.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Yeah\u2014<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> And\u2014 and\u2014\u00a0unless uh\u2014 as far as the (unintelligible word) (senior? Simi?) article, that would be uh, a virtual impossibility\u2014<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> \u2014 because the three copies that we have are with us<\/i>, and we never would have showed it to him.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Umm-hmm. Okay. Well, if you\u2014 if you do think of anything, I\u2019d really<\/i> appreciate a call.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Thanks a lot again.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/b> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Prokes:<\/b> Bye.<\/p>\n

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Tape originally posted January 1999<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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