{"id":27508,"date":"2013-06-16T00:20:41","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:20:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27508"},"modified":"2018-02-13T11:14:52","modified_gmt":"2018-02-13T19:14:52","slug":"q636","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27508","title":{"rendered":"Q636 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Side 1<\/a>, Side 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I\u2019m saying, that I\u2019ve never had the privilege of doing what I wanted<\/i> to do. Never. Never. Nevernevernever.<\/p>\n

(Pause in tape)<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: \u2014 trying to analyze myself and deal with myself, because I know I\u2019ve been a fuck-up, and, um, but I have a, a real bad\u2014 I mean not real bad, but a, a problem hearing and understanding a lot of things, you know like words, I can\u2019t, you know, pick up on words, like, you can say, you know, um, some words and (makes sounds of rattling around). I\u2019m serious.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd<\/b>: You understand pussy.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Right on\u2014<\/p>\n

Various voices in crowd call out.<\/p>\n

Pause in tape of unknown length<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: \u2014 my blood pressure problem. It\u2019s gone up to the danger level again. My blood pressure\u2019s right now at the danger level again. You (unintelligible word\u2014 sounds like “people”) my blood pressure. I can\u2019t\u2014 I can\u2019t\u2014 I can\u2019t live with this. I really can\u2019t live with this shit. I don\u2019t understand it. A man tell me somebody walking around the goddamn place, you been in here all afternoon, you tell me somebody\u2019s walking around the place. Cops walking around the place. I didn\u2019t hear a damn words about cops.<\/p>\n

Woman talks too softly.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: The hemoglobin. Take my blood, okay, take my blood, (Complaining) but there ain\u2019t no solution to me. They\u2019re going to keep on giving me strokes, with this shit. (Pause) You can do all the medical things in the world, and he\u2019s the best doctor in the world, and you are stupid. (Pause). You just lost, uh, you lost the opportunity of your lifetime.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Who walking around. Nothing else. What else in the news? Somebody walking around the church.<\/p>\n

Marceline(?)<\/b>: Is it okay to do the hemoglobin?<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, but (stumbles over words) it\u2019s this shit. I hear this shit. And it\u2019s this shit just tears the fuck out of me. (Emotional, sounds close to tears.) Tears the fuck<\/i> out of me. You people just tear the fuck out of me.<\/p>\n

Pause in tape.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Uh, and uh\u2014 (Pause) Like, they\u2019re uh\u2014 They\u2019re demanding that there uh, that they have uh John [Victor Stoen] and Dana [Truss] and\u2014 like I say, I didn\u2019t hear\u2014<\/p>\n

Man in audience: <\/b>He says he have a hearing problem\u2014<\/p>\n

Other voices interrupt.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Complaining) Aw, come on, man, come on, man. We went through that once before and turn around, whispers, all you people giving us this shit, don\u2019t (unintelligible word), don\u2019t give me that. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Schacht: <\/b>All of you don\u2019t hear the news is \u2018cause you don\u2019t listen \u2018cause you don\u2019t give a shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Schacht<\/b>: And you better give a shit. You ought to be grateful that Dad pours out all this news. It\u2019s fantastic to hear what\u2019s going on in the world, the very opposite of what it was in the States, where they just told you a bunch of crap all the time about what you needed to buy.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Pause) Oh, no, no, no. (Sighs). (Whispers) Jesus.<\/p>\n

Voices too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: What else, what else, Stanley come into (struggles for words) who\u2019s coming after Dana and, uh, John?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Tim [Stoen] and um, Grace [Stoen].<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Tim and Grace? Not on their life. Tim and Grace come in here, they get their brains<\/i> blown out. Who\u2019d\u2014 It\u2019d have to take more than Tim and Grace.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Um, from what I can gather, will be\u2014 It would be the um um\u2014<\/p>\n

Someone asks question.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: I didn\u2019t, cause I was back working in the kitchen area.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Shouts) Oh, shit, now, don\u2019t give me no shit. You were in here. You\u2019ve been in here.<\/p>\n

Conversation in crowd too low.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Some of the shit\u2019s been said right back while you were here, while you were up here in discussion.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Voice whispers, “Stanley, Stanley.”<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Tell me some news, Stanley. Give me some of us some news. Give me any kind of news, any kind of news you\u2019ve heard.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>(Mocking, high-pitched tone imitating Stanley) It was a bitch, oh, oh, oh (unintelligible) \u2014Stanley back there. He\u2019s with a foul-mouthed (unintelligible word). And you heard, you heard, heard of that.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Ah, that\u2019s what I set up, I just had that set up.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>How many times he said\u2014<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>He said one time\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: He said it one time, prick<\/i>, and I\u2014 I knew<\/i> you were lying, he whispered and you turned around.<\/p>\n

Voices.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>\u2014 one time \u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: \u2014 and I told him to do it, \u2018cause I, I\u2014 you people all the time, you\u2014 you<\/i> underestimate my intelligence. You fuckers<\/i> are too stupid<\/i> to deal with me, and I am too sick of dealing with people who plays these stupid<\/i> ass games. (Pause) He whispered your name, and you turned around. Two rows from you. You can\u2019t hear.<\/p>\n

Pause. Tape pauses.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: He said, we um, they\u2019re going to have um, a news in\u2014 a news interview and that he wanted our people to get together back um, sit back there, um, to get it together so they when they go in the radio room, they have it together.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: I\u2014 I think it would be the intelligence side, the CIA. I\u2014<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>\u2014 civic person in the government.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I make Martin Luther\u2014 I make Martin Luth\u2014 Luther King in the statement on death, and there ought to be some quote. Anybody know a quote off hand on Martin Luther King? Martin Luther King saying, he expected to die? Ah, so, so people to familiarize that Martin Luther King, and anybody that knows Senator, St\u2014 St\u2014 ah, Kennedy? And Patrick Henry<\/i> said, Give me liberty or give me death<\/i>. That mother fucker was (struggles for words) that\u2019s hundreds a years ago.<\/p>\n

Single voice: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: And we voted<\/i> to do so. Our people voted to do so. We\u2019re a participatory democracy.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: We, we, we, we will not<\/i> be as the Jews of marching submissively to the ga\u2014 I wouldn\u2019t mention Jews. Those who marched submissively to the gas ovens, valiant\u2014 but we will be<\/i> like the valiant heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto before we give our li\u2014 uh, li\u2014 liberty.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I wouldn\u2019t use Jews. I wouldn\u2019t say\u2014 I would not<\/i> be like those\u2014 I don\u2019t put a racial contact on the\u2014 the contact on those who uh, went to, who marched submissively to the gas ovens, would be a good way to put it, but we would be rather like the valiant heroes<\/i> of the Warsaw Ghetto<\/i>. And if anybody remembers who they were\u2014 I doubt it, at this point in history. If you cannot understand that willingness (pause) to die if necessary, rather than compromise the right to exist free from harassment, then you will never<\/i> understand the integrity, honesty and bravery of Peoples Temple. The integrity in our guts<\/i>\u2014 I don\u2019t know whether I like the word “guts” \u2014 it would seem that any person with integrity or guts would have no trouble understanding such a position. Since, however, the people we are dealing with have neither integrity nor guts, we are not surprised that they would find it startling. (unintelligible name\u2014 probably Gene, for Gene Chaikin)), somehow the word “gut” doesn\u2019t ring, ring to me. Is there any other word? Maybe I\u2019m wrong. Maybe it does. Maybe it\u2019s practical human talk.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Huh?<\/p>\n

Voices unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Chaikin: <\/b>\u2014 it\u2019s more like, depth to the commitment than it is like to personal macho (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Another man: <\/b>Courage.<\/p>\n

Chaikin: <\/b>Guts is a personal, macho\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: It\u2019s macho, huh?<\/p>\n

Chaikin: <\/b>Rather, rather, depth to the commitment.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: So do you think we should chance the word, then, (unintelligible name \u2014 sounds like “Ferga”), since the people we\u2019re dealing with have neither integrity nor have the courage that we do. Courage<\/i>. What about courage?<\/p>\n

Voice replies.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Okay. Let\u2019s go.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Perseverance.<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>Perseverance<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Ah, perseverance, ain\u2019t even strong enough. I\u2019ve\u2014\u00a0I\u2019ve\u2014 I think\u2014 but perseverance not strong enough. It\u2019d have to be courage, or as Chaikin said, depth of commitment. I\u2014 but perseverance, I\u2019d\u2014 Now to me, I may be wrong, but that word perseverance doesn\u2019t uh, doesn\u2019t hold, it\u2019s too traditional.<\/p>\n

Pause.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Undertone) It\u2019s a bullshit mess. (Quickly, brittle) Tell me some news, Stanley, I\u2019m waiting to hear, hear from some news. Tell me what\u2019s happenin\u2019 in the world. I only throwed my voice away about four or five hours a day, except today, \u2018cause we had all these guests here, and\u2014 then the White Night that\u2019s ensued. (Pause) Up all night, crisis in the dawn hours. (Pause) Tell me some news.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Um, I can recall um, when you spoke about Zimbabwe, uh, they won their, their, their, struggle over there.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Where\u2019s Zimbabwe?<\/p>\n

Pause<\/p>\n

Woman voice: <\/b>Where is it?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Um.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I told her (unintelligible) Is Zimbabwe\u2014 where\u2019s Zimbabwe?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: It\u2019s\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: In south East Asia?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: No, it\u2019s Africa.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Well, that\u2019s good. (Pause) What part of Africa?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: \u2014would be South Africa.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Ah, that\u2019s close enough. Go ahead. What about Zimbabwe?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: They had won, um, their, their struggle over there (radio break-up)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: What\u2019d he say? I didn\u2019t hear it.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>He said they won their struggle over there, and I said, I\u2019m sure glad to hear that.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: That Zimbabwe run the struggle\u2014 won the struggle?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>That\u2019s it.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: You guys, that\u2019s the way it has to be, so you can go on fucking, I guess, and talk sickou\u2014 six hours or bore your wife. (Pause) 450 of their schoolchildren was captured and tortured. (Pause) That\u2019s how much they\u2019ve won<\/i> it. (Pause) Now, I don\u2019t know where you got that they\u2019d won<\/i> it. Nobody\u2014 nobody had given the impression that Rhodesia or Zimbabwe had won the struggle. Shift, please.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>\u2014probably thinks it\u2019s Ethiopia.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Tell me something else, see if you can follow it through accurately, um, Stanley. Anybody can talk six hours ought to be able to do some<\/i>thing. (Pause) He<\/i> said all of the things he said. How\u2019d that agree with what you said, by the way. He said that he said he was telling you how he didn\u2019t want to hurt a sister like you, and he was sorry he\u2019d hurt a sister like you, and he wasn\u2019t good enough for a sister like you. And then he admitted that the real reason was, he wanted to get\u2014 talk you out of the doctor, so he could get back and get your nooky again. What, what did\u2014 did that jive with what he said?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>I didn\u2019t understand what\u2019s\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: We heard what he said, he talked to you all those hours up in the loft, which you stupidly let him talk. Uh, what, what did uh, what, is it, what what did he say in your mind, what\u2014 what was the things he was saying to you?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>In my mind?<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Exasperated) Well, what did he say, sweetheart? Goddamnit, what did he say? Did he say he was sorry and he wanted\u2014 he thought he wasn\u2019t good enough for you and that kind of stuff?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>Yeah, he\u2019s talking \u2018bout, please, please just give me one more chance.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Shouts) Aha<\/i>! Aha! You didn\u2019t (Unintelligible word) tell us about that, did you, Stanley. (Pause) Please give me one more chance. (Pause) You aren\u2019t even clever<\/i>. I got folks here cleverer than that.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: They\u2014 they\u2014 they think\u2014 they\u2014 they automatically think that the sister will know what they\u2019re driving at. Please give me one more chance. And you walked out and come up in my face and then (unintelligible word) you feel sorry for him.<\/p>\n

(Pause. Tape cut off).<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: What about feeling sorry for this Jewish brother that had all of his relatives, most of the relatives killed, seven million Jews died too. You feel sorry for him?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd<\/b>: You didn\u2019t show it, though.<\/p>\n

Other voices.<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>The mean\u2014 I think the mean\u2014 (pause) Can I say something? Janice, I wish you had felt sorry for me the other day when I was\u2014 the other night wh\u2014 when I left the meeting and I told you that I didn\u2019t my (unintelligible word) and because of the surgery, I felt\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Let\u2019s don\u2019t get on that, honey. Let\u2019s don\u2019t get off on that track. You a sidetrack. This sidetrack.<\/p>\n

2nd woman: <\/b>Well, I asked her to\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices shouting about sidetrack.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: You\u2019re a sidetrack. I know how to moderate. Don\u2019t tell her to feel sorry for you, then appeal to mothers, because all children can do when you deal with that, is then they justify<\/i>, because all<\/i> children feel hostile to all<\/i> of us who brought children into the world.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Use others. Use other points, but don\u2019t use your own. It\u2019s a very bad argument. Never do it. No\u2014 no parent should ever get up and uh, anyway appeal to them to feel sorry because the rationale of all socialists the world over is, that the child has a right to feel hostile<\/i> for being brought into the world.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: You can say, well, I, I wouldn\u2019t have lived\u2014 it was a good point when I wouldn\u2019t have lived with uh, your dad if I had known Father. That\u2019s a good point. But never never appeal \u2014 and all parents hear this<\/i> \u2014 don\u2019t appeal to the child should feel sorry for you, \u2018cause they, uh, we who are parents should feel sorry for them, we brought them here.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: \u2018Cause she\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0then\u2014 then\u2014 It makes for an illogic, and we got to try to appeal for, for logic<\/i> here. Although I, I don\u2019t have no faith in appealing for logic, frankly, on this shit. It\u2019s just uh\u2014 I\u2019ll keep on being faithful, keep on trying to win these miserable White Nights, have to stand behind the radio and tell everybody what to talk. I want a feedback back there for how these interviews are going, how well these people are, are uh doing \u2018cause the time approaches, I need a clock<\/i> set here, I say it a million times, a clock needs to set here, \u2018cause time<\/i> running out<\/i> on me. These interviews have gotta go just right<\/i>. (Pause) I\u2019ll have to talk for every blessed one of them, as has been the usual practice. (Pause) And they better listen. (Stern) And you better tell them, by God, they better do what I tell them to say. (Pause) Or somebody\u2019s ass gonna be kicked all the way clear out to the Learning Crew or the\u2014 further than that, the Psychological Department.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I don\u2019t want no shit, saying I don\u2019t hear you, I don\u2019t hear you. Get their ear open to<\/i> hear me. (Pause) (Radio interference) \u2014 can you tell me whatever hell I asked uh, you, you, uh, Stanley, what about the news? We got you to Zimbabwe and they\u2019ve already won. I suppose it\u2019s convenient for you, while you\u2019re fucking around, playing around, taking this white woman while she\u2019s in town, and then coming home and ask to give you one more chance, going over the leader\u2019s head, because the leader said, “Nay<\/i>.” But nobody pays any attention to the lay\u2014 leader, no no, you had to listen to the (unintelligible) lollygag and listen, make old San\u2014 Stanley feel like he can keep on being the stupid little boy he\u2019s always been\u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: \u2014 and then, then the audacity to come to me and say, I, I, I, I feel sorry for him. (Pause) I wish somebody\u2019d feel sorry for me<\/i>. No. No, no. Feel sorry for the movement<\/i>. \u2018Cause I don\u2019t want no one to feel sorry for me, \u2018cause I don\u2019t believe in it. But I wish somebody\u2019d feel sorry for the movement, wouldn\u2019t put me through this shit, and when I give you reason<\/i> and judgment<\/i>, and give you principle<\/i> and expl\u2014 explanations over and again, then you don\u2019t listen, you\u2019re killing your leader. You<\/i> are killing your leader. CIA hasn\u2019t been able to do it. Nobody been able to reach out with the CIA bullet and get me, but I\u2019ll be goddamn, you people, \u2018cause I know<\/i> what cause my blood pressure to rise, it\u2019s already risen, whatever, 20, 30 points? On both<\/i> ends, it\u2019s already risen since this shit began. They\u2019re taking it every few minutes. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Tommy Johnson in here? Tommy Johnson?<\/p>\n

(Unintelligible voices)<\/p>\n

Schacht: <\/b>The thing about it is, and I\u2019ve\u2014 this is true. It\u2014 There\u2019s no such thing as character and sex at the same time at our\u2014 at our stage, and that\u2019s what I think. (Pause) It\u2019s just that it interferes, because nobody\u2019s interested in anybody because of their \u2014 (Pause) Sexually\u2014 it\u2019s not<\/i> character, it\u2019s a bunch of bull shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>The only person who\u2019s ever given themself is Dad, and all this other shit about sex and character is crap.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause).<\/p>\n

Mary Lou Clancey: <\/b>Janice, what did you use for birth control? Was there something that prevented it using in this situation.<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>No, Mary Lou, \u2018cause I didn\u2019t think I could get pregnant.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Mary Lou: <\/b>Excuse me, you are twice as fertile being as that, unnotified<\/i> to me<\/i> or Liz [Ruggiero], you stopped<\/i> taking the pills on<\/i> your own, I was\u2014 found this out three nights ago after instructing you to go to the nurse, take your pills, I had depended on you, relied on you, trusted<\/i> you, you were twice as fertile.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>Why did you know\u2014 (Tape cuts off for several seconds)<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>I\u2019m at fault in this situation, because I did not absolutely make sure that Janice was taking her pills every day. It was a breakdown of communication. I should have double-checked with Liz, I should have double-checked with Janice and make sure it was being done.<\/p>\n

Voice shout.<\/p>\n

2nd woman: <\/b>This is my fault\u2014<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>The Medical Department ought to answer to this. (Pause) (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Liz Ruggiero?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Yeah, right. Where is she?<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>In the nurse\u2019s office.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Somebody go switch off with and have her come here.<\/p>\n

(Other voices, low in conversation).<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Mary Lou, though\u2014 even though uh, you said you didn\u2019t follow up on Janice, there\u2019s about\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Are you people going to\u2014 Listen. And look it\u2014 use some phrases. Find out the phrases they use back there, find out the phrases they use. They can tell you phrases they use. A couple of lines from them, say we haven\u2019t got time to do a lot of talking, they don\u2019t want to talk. But some of them more than that\u2019s<\/i> gotta talk better\u2014 Who is it that\u2019s capable of meeting you now?<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>Magnolia\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Magnolia. Magnolia? With no formal training, but her standing, a black woman, a senior? She can handle it.Liane [Harris] can handle it. And Billie\u2019s getting there. (Incredulous) And you mean the rest of them folk can\u2019t handle it? (Stern) Well, they better get it sounding right.<\/p>\n

Woman shouts from crowd<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Angry) Well, they better put something in it, goddamnit, I\u2019m putting my life it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: The point is what, Sarah [Harriet Sarah Tropp]?<\/p>\n

Tropp<\/b>: I\u2019m sorry, I said the point is I think that they\u2019re\u2014 I think they\u2019re\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Yells)Talk up.<\/p>\n

Tropp<\/b>: I think they\u2019re trying but I think that it\u2019s just not\u2014 doesn\u2019t come out natural, even with the voices\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Stern) They\u2019re not trying hard enough, by God, you can try.<\/p>\n

Various voices.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>You defending\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: What is it? What\u2019d you say? (Pause) If they really hated him, is right, Diane. (Angry) If they really hated him, it\u2019d come across that way, and if they can\u2019t come across when I\u2019ve fucked<\/i> white people in the ass and the vagina I hated, if you can\u2019t come across, you\u2019re a fucking traitor.<\/i><\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>We\u2019re going to Kaituma now.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Conversational aside) You\u2019re going to Kaituma now?<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Right. (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Okay. Push on. Push\u2014 push on and don\u2019t damage the tr\u2014 equipment, but get back as soon as you can. (Pause) This bullshit, “can\u2019t do,” “can\u2019t do.” If I\u2019da said “I can\u2019t do”\u2014 I stuttered and stammered when I was a child. Couldn\u2019t get a sentence out.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Where\u2019s Sarah? She should never dispute you in the middle of a fucking White \u2014 Sarah, you\u2019re a dumb ass. Where the fuck are you? Where\u2019s Sarah? Where is Sarah?<\/p>\n

Tropp<\/b>: I\u2019m right here.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>You should never dispute Dad. We\u2019re in the middle of a, a White Night, and you just\u2014 don\u2019t you ever do that again. As long as your name says whatever it is, don\u2019t do that again.<\/p>\n

Tropp<\/b>: I will never do that again, I think it was absolutely insane\u2014<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>You talk to him in private, you got something to say like that\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: She did, but I put it\u2014 I put her on the microphone. I, I just thought that there ain\u2019t no use for me to argue\u2014<\/p>\n

Tropp<\/b>: No, it\u2019s my fault. There\u2019s not use for you to apologize\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: No, but I\u2019m just saying. No, it\u2019s\u2014 no, no, you didn\u2019t\u2014 I put it on my front. I\u2019ll say you do, you have done it, it\u2019s a mistake. But, but the point is, I think you should even apologize to these go\u2014 these people, goddamn \u2018em, if they hated him\u2014 Diane hit it. Diane, ol\u2019 street Diane hit it. Been down the streets. (Shouts) If they really hate those goddamn relatives, it\u2019ll come through.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Angry) And if we have to change words, talk your language, I don\u2019t care. We can change the words. We can shorten some of the sentences, but by God, you better talk. You better talk, because all our lives are resting on you, and you better fucking well talk, \u2018cause for 27 years I\u2019ve fought for you.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>\u2014 make it very short, like this, you know, role play or something.<\/p>\n

Pause<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>One of the things I want to ask you, Janice, did you plan on taking\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: \u2014 And they better come through strong. (Pause) No mealy-mouth shit.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Upset) Some of you people, I\u2019ve saved your lives, got your asses out of jail, saved you, put my kni\u2014 life on the uh\u2014 all the people\u2019s lives, me first, on the line for you, and you can\u2019t talk? Lot of you people are educated<\/i> in there. I heard\u2014 Magnolia hadn\u2019t had half<\/i> the education. (Pause) A senior can talk and you can\u2019t talk? And she used to like her daughter more than you did yours<\/i>. (Pause) (Low and menacing) Goddamn shit, you want\u2014 some of you want some cover-ass. You want something to go back<\/i> to. Well, you ain\u2019t going back to nothing, \u2018cause they wouldn\u2019t let you if you could.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Shift, while you\u2019re at it. Shift. (Sighs.) Take the blood pressure, \u2018cause it\u2019s still rising. Gonna have to take some of these \u2014 I don\u2019t dare be too tranquilized, however. The blood pressure medicine, when I\u2019m uh, trying to give these people coaching, and I\u2014 it\u2019s a hell of a note\u2014 we\u2019ve got exactly, what, one hour and uh, twenty minutes? One hour and uh fifty minutes. What, eight-thirty\u2014 what was it, eight-thirty? What time is the uhh, the se\u2014 the interview?<\/p>\n

Male voice:<\/b> (unintelligible) eight-thirty.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Yeah. And \u2014 we have less than two hours, so get your shit together. (Long pause.) Get a lot of paper there s\u2014 so they can change some words and get this across. (Pause) I want to know the list of the coaches. I gotta worry about all this. (Pause) You assholes that can\u2019t even fuck. I could fuck 15 times a day, and I gotta worry about all this shit. (Pause) Only fuck I want right now is the g\u2014 orgasm of the great\u2014 fucking the grave. But nonetheless, it\u2019s ridiculous, you people carry on this bullshit over relationships, take up our damn time\u2014<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Background conversation.<\/p>\n

Tape pauses.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I asked you from some news. I\u2019m still in touch, Stanley. (Pause) Stanley. (Long pause) Some adult help guide them, they\u2019re little guys, so help them, move those mikes fast. (Pause) Who told him to come up here. I said “Stanley.” I<\/i> know the news. Nobody needs to come up here to me<\/i>. I\u2019m the one that gives it.<\/p>\n

Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: It won\u2019t work? It won\u2019t work?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>This one is supposed to go up there, because this cord reaches out here better.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Okay. Tell me one simple fact is, honey, and I\u2019ll try to help you out there.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: You\u2019re speaking of the news today, Dad?<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Exasperated) Oh, come on, Stanley. Any goddamn day. Knowing you, I\u2019ll give you any day. You pick it. When the last time you come, since you come in the summer.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Um. (Pause) I didn\u2019t\u2014 I didn\u2019t catch this\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: No, you didn\u2019t catch. Not\u2014 no, no, you\u2019re not deaf, but you didn\u2019t catch now. Wh\u2014 What did you catch? You haven\u2019t caught nothing since you\u2019ve been here this summer? (Pause) All these Johnson children have\u2014 have an intellectual background. What is this bullshit? And I, I don\u2019t believe your bullshit. Somebody could have made some intellectual out of you<\/i>, but they\u2019d been too busy listening to your bullshit. Ought to made you stand over a goddamn book and say, leave me alone, goddamnit, and let\u2019s read. (Pause) You shoulda been reading they\u2019s ass. (Disgusted) Stupid<\/i> son of a bitch. (Pause) No excuse you to be so stupid, \u2018cause you con<\/i> us very well. I\u2019m not talking about\u2014 I\u2019m not talking about limited intelligence, you\u2019re just stupid<\/i>, because you haven\u2019t tried. (Pause) All this con<\/i> shit you were giving her, you\u2019re sure<\/i> it was intelligent enough\u2014 you were intelligent enough\u2014 you were intelligent enough when I made it very clear to keep<\/i> this shit out and close it down, you get right in the\u2014 her boudoir, right into the bed in her little attic, those cute little attics, and you start telling her, give me one more chance. Even though the office said, no more chance. And so she gave him one more chance. (Pause) Did you make love? Make sex?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Um\u2014<\/p>\n

Other crowd noise<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Shut\u2014 What?<\/p>\n

Crowd noise.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Well, that\u2019s one\u2014 that\u2019s one<\/i> breakthrough for women\u2019s emancipation. You were hesitant to say that, huh?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Why?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Because it, um\u2014 I just get that way, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Parental) You just get that way?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: You sure wasn\u2019t hesitate to have a public discussion over fucking another man\u2019s wife, a white woman while a black man\u2014 black woman was in town. (Pause) Put another scar deep in the psyche of us all. Make all of us feel like we want to go out and get blowtorches so we\u2014 our skin\u2019ll get a little darker.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: You didn\u2019t have hesitation to talk about it then<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>I want to know if the problem was you couldn\u2019t get it up, or did Janice keep you from doing it.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: That\u2019s a po\u2014 pertinent point, thank you, Marceline.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: What was the question?<\/p>\n

Derisive calls from crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Would she let you fu\u2014 oh shit. Would you let you fuck? Did you try and she wouldn\u2019t let you?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: She let me.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Huh?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: She let me.<\/p>\n

Derisive calls.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: She let you fuck last night, is that what you\u2019re saying?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Oh no, no. Um, I didn\u2019t\u2014 I didn\u2019t try.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: You didn\u2019t try.<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Why. Did you feel confident?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Felt confident to ask her to stay<\/i> with you, what, were you worrying\u2014 worried about that doctor\u2019s big dick?<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Oh, ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho. Ho ho. (Pause) She said he was? He was worried about the big dick? (Falsetto voice) At least I didn\u2019t lie. (Normal voice) Stanley<\/b> didn\u2019t lie. At least she said you talked about it. (Pause) How many have not eaten? (Laughs.) Shit. (Pause) (Unintelligible phrase) Setting in the middle of a White Night, talking about your ugly fucking dicks. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Crowd noise.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I got a mirror on you people over there in the ba\u2014 the sides, so just know it. You don\u2019t happen to believe my gifts, so I got a mirror on your ass.<\/p>\n

Single voice: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Okay, go on, go on go on go on.<\/p>\n

End of side one<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Side 2<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Wh\u2014 Who is that lady? (Pause) Ah, shit. (Pause) Sit down. She a renegade from the past. Sit down.<\/p>\n

(Low conversation)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: They made no big plates, and that\u2019s why they know<\/i> that if rice went out, some of you stole the extra plate. (Sarcastic) Thank you for being so hungry. That helped my blood pressure, too. When you\u2019re caught out here without my leadership, thank you. Don\u2019t blame anybody. Thank you for being so selfish. When I couldn\u2019t dream of eating, and they want me to eat protein because of the situation that I\u2019m having right now, I, I, I thank<\/i> you that took the extra plates. Thank you, selfish sonsabitches, that ought to die before you ever got over to the promised land.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps<\/p>\n

Long pause.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Okay, okay. (Pause) List of coaches, that\u2019s it, Kay Nelson, Diane Will [Wilkinson]\u2014 That\u2019s good, Marthea [Hicks] is good, Joyce Parks, good, Terri Jones, Carolyn Looman \u2014 they better all be listening to you \u2014 Shanda James, that\u2019s good, Christine Lucientes, she\u2019s good \u2014 (Pause) Who\u2019s this? Plain\u2014\u00a0Diane Wilkinson. Diane\u2014 We got two Diane Wilkinson\u2019s \u2014<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b>She said she wanted to work (unintelligible)\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I see. Nancy Sines, she\u2019s good. Anita Ijames. Dick Tropp wrote the statements. (Pause) He always used to be good at coaching, too. (Unintelligible) Jann Gurvich rewrote them when necessary, Terri Buford, Sarah, Diane, Dick and Jann helping rehearse all of them. (Pause) Okay, now we\u2019re all rehearsing each other. Then keep me a blow-by-blow report because it\u2019s only just a little more than an hour and a half before it\u2019s on. (Pause) And what happens over that can mean the difference what happens with the attorney general, and the Congress of the United States. That\u2019s how serious it is. (Pause) It\u2019s a miracle<\/i>, we got people to go along with it, \u2018cause they were blocking<\/i>, they were blocking, not going\u2014 even go along with the conference. It\u2019s a vast news conference, so you, you damn well better remember the times I did\u2014 every day I\u2019ve lived, since I was a child. First time I felt guilt, when a little dog died, I wanted to commit suicide. But I had still some little dogs and cats alive that had me alone to take care of them. So I stayed alive for some thirty-some, 36, 37, maybe 38 years. Yes, indeed, that, 39, almost 40. Because I owed the debt to somebody. (Pause) At that time, I didn\u2019t even think my mother<\/i> give a shit. I later found out she did, but I knew my dad didn\u2019t, so it was just little animals that I stayed alive for, because I didn\u2019t know who in the hell was going to feed them, I was too young to know how to kill them. (Pause) And like Larry said, you finally wake up that life is shit, and any<\/i> way I could have killed them\u2014 I soon learned<\/i> it, but at that age, that\u2019s all that kept me through. Then a little bit later, my mom needed me and some poor soul down the road needed me, that was poor and minority, been treated badly, then come along the blacks in the community, that I always<\/i> was their champion. It\u2019s always been that way, somebody needed me. So you can do what you have to do, \u2018cause I stay alive and do all this thinking, and I am bored<\/i>, and I am disgusted<\/i>, and I am sick<\/i> with people who do so little with socialism when they have such a good example to follow.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps<\/p>\n

Long pause. Tape off.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>I wanted to say something too about that we have sex and thinking you\u2019re wanted. A lot of you are in your relationships, you think you\u2019re wanted<\/i>. But you\u2019re not<\/i> wanted. Nobody\u2019s wanted. You\u2019re needed. And that\u2019s something you\u2019re going to have to recognize. Dad\u2019s been talking about it. He\u2014 He\u2019s known it all this time, but that\u2019s where it\u2019s at. You\u2019re needed<\/i>, and that\u2019s what keeps you going, not with you\u2019re wanted or not. And if you happen<\/i> to be uh, attractive, or whatever the bullshit that is, enough<\/i> to think you\u2019re wanted, you\u2019re\u2014 you\u2019re unlucky. You really are.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: \u2014only one balmy-eyed, blue-eyed bitch that I kept, and finally she was (struggles for words) made, made strong, made strong by uh\u2014 one of the few, one of the few. It works some, that\u2019s why I didn\u2019t give it up altogether, and because somebody blew wind up her ass, I won\u2019t name it, but some of you remember the black minister that blew wind up her ass, and not fucked with her but babied her, made her think she was something special, and she was dangerous, and we needed, uh, certain connections and help that she could hag\u2014 afford. I had to fuck her seven, what was it, seven, eight hours straight. (Pause) (Astonished) You\u2019ve forgotten? Oh my God. Karen Layton, you\u2019ve forgotten? In Georgetown, is doing a good job now, you\u2019ve forgotten that? I don\u2019t tell the black ones. So don\u2019t feel bad about the white ones, just don\u2019t tell about the black ones. Had to put her out on a briar patch until the scars on my knees yet because she wouldn\u2019t get the goddamned message? You don\u2019t remember that? You didn\u2019t have enough feeling, because I told it publicly, everybody in Geo\u2014 in your\u2014 in that congregation heard it, if you were listening.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Yeah, and now\u2014 wh\u2014 how many heard it? \u2018Course, some of you are lying, not \u2018cause you don\u2019t, you don\u2019t remember it and didn\u2019t hear\u2014 didn\u2019t hurt you. I had to arrange for who would catch her. Who, who\u2019d, who\u2019d arrange for it to catch her to get it stopped, even after eight hours. Alleane [Tucker], who caught her?<\/p>\n

Voice too low in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Jack Beam. Thank you, m\u2014 Sister Tucker, that makes me feels good that somebody cared. And she grew out of it. (Pause) She grew out of it, into a person that could be depended upon, and uh\u2014 Yes, she may grate on you. She may grate on you. You say, well, yeah, but she had more of you. Oh, piss<\/i> on that. You\u2019ve had as much of me. You\u2019ve stood me on the patch and worried me to death with your goddamn problems some. She never asked\u2014 She was dying once with cancer in the, in her female zone, she never even\u2014\u00a0she didn\u2019t ask me for no relief of pain<\/i> or healing. So don\u2019t say somebody had more time, \u2018cause I\u2019ll go into some of you that are black (Theatrical pause) male and female. (Pause) It\u2019s quiet in the house now.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Seven, eight hours, though, of this shit, and I did the same shit to that Grace Stoen to try to save you people from the hell she was going to do to Tim Stoen, because he was going around wearing women\u2019s clothes in Santa Rosa, like a fool. And then he told her about some guns, which you\u2014 which would\u2019ve destroyed<\/i> our movement, how long ago that was? Six years? Must\u2019ve been six years, seven<\/i> years. Shit, seven<\/i> years, plus. (Pause) I fucked that woman upside-down, side, all kinds of hours, and (Dramatically) the moment<\/i>, the moment I quit, the moment \u2014 I didn\u2019t even say it, even though she got pretty exalted in her demands \u2014\u00a0she wanted me to marry<\/i> her. I\u2019ll always have a measure of guilt, because Marceline would have been glad, but I\u2014\u00a0it wasn\u2019t just Marceline, I knew, Marceline would be\u2014 what I thought, some of you out there who think you understand socialism, you\u2019d\u2019ve left me. If Marceline and I\u2019d had a divorce and I\u2019d married that bitch, there\u2019d been people left this movement, right setting here right today. (Speaks quickly) Right here, have left that movement, they\u2019da never understood it, never understood the communist principle, the great sacrifice, they never<\/i> would\u2019ve, you know that\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: So I said, that\u2019s too much. (Pause) Now you may\u2014 yes, you said, do it. I\u2019ll follow you, I\u2019ll follow you, I understand what you\u2019re doing because she asked me to do<\/i> it, \u2018cause she saw there was no other way. You got a good mother. You got a tremendous<\/i> mother. And if I die, you better stay behind her or somebody\u2019ll shoot<\/i> you.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Okay. Sure,<\/i> it hurt her, because sex was\u2014 it had been the on\u2014 her and I had been the only per\u2014 party (struggles for words) in each other\u2019s lives. I believe in keeping a rule. Some of you people don\u2019t. The guy, when he marries, ought to be just as virtuous as the wo\u2014 as the girl. He expects some girl to be ah, straight when he gets married, then by God you ought to practice what you, what, what you expect from others. You ought to\u2014 ehh\u2014 what\u2019s good for the goose is sure<\/i> good for the gander. But it doesn\u2019t work around here, so\u2014 (Pause) It caused<\/i> some trauma, she\u2014 At first, not now (struggles for words) she would accept whatever she had to do or I had to do. And nonetheless, within hours, Miss Grace Stoen \u2014\u00a0or whatever her name is, Mrs. Grace Stoen \u2014 picked up another man to try to aggravate the church and irritate all of us and plot with to try to destroy us. (Pause) And then, I still<\/i> would have had a hand on her, and I got another man<\/i> to try to step in my shoes, and he might<\/i> have been able to make it, but he got fucking<\/i> in love with the bitch. (Pause) Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we all know\u2014\u00a0how many know who I\u2019m talking about? So he fucked it up on top of it, and built her narcissistic image up. Then, the people living close to her let them\u2014 let her buy<\/i> them off with our church<\/i> money that she was stealing<\/i> (Pause) $5000 under the mattress, and didn\u2019t let me know about it. We wouldn\u2019t have to be sitting<\/i> here in a White Night now.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Lot of people counsel me, I wanted to adopt<\/i> John back then, I wanted to adopt<\/i> John. All this shit been over with. (Pause) Th\u2014 The board didn\u2019t push<\/i> hard enough, listen to bullshit, and council should have thought<\/i> that over. I wanted to adopt him then, \u2018cause I saw the shit\u2014 I don\u2019t get took up with this shit\u2014 She was oohing and groaning and crying and screaming with the orgasm she said she\u2019d never got before in her life. But I don\u2019t buy that shit<\/i>. I know that all passes away. That allllll<\/i> passes away. I wanted a legal<\/i> adoption. But nobody<\/i> backed me up in it.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: So, time went on, pressures got on, and her (Sarcastic) so-called loyalty, and then sexual loyalty, all the other shit\u2014 (Mimics) I\u2019ll never hurt you, I love you, there\u2019s nobody else in the world that\u2019ll take your place\u2014 Moment she couldn\u2019t marry me, she started her plotting. And the rest of you that saw her plot didn\u2019t keep\u2014 you didn\u2019t help me. Uh-huh, uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh. Some of you used her. I don\u2019t mean just some of them in the home, you used<\/i> her. You built<\/i> her goddamn ego. (Pause) I don\u2019t mean use her in work, I\u2019m talking about used her for your own gain, to keep around her, for she was in the council.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: So I get\u2014\u00a0We see now we\u2019re pissed<\/i> over, \u2018cause if I\u2019da gotten certain things together, I was too busy healing you, too busy getting you out of jail. I can\u2019t watch everybody night and day. I\u2019m doing better<\/i> at it now, we got pretty good intelligence system, and my own acuity is pretty sharp<\/i>. Nonetheless\u2014\u00a0nonetheless<\/i>, you people that believe in love, you\u2019re fools. You can\u2019t fuck no seven hours. You women can\u2019t take no seven hour fuck, and all you gotta do is lay there.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Only saw one could<\/i> do it. And she\u2019s stupid. She had to be some kind of masochist. Nobody likes no seven-hour fuck.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: But she grew up out of it, so, if you win one\u2014 and I won some more. And I\u2019m not going to go into the details of that, but she don\u2019t mind. She talked about it publicly, so I\u2019ll talk about it. It has been years<\/i> since I\u2019ve had any sex with her, so don\u2019t worry, I\u2019m not fucking her. She\u2019s going in Georgetown, she been there how many months now, and I\u2019m not fucking her. (Pause) Right?<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I never saw anybody be able to fuck through a jungle, I, I\u2014 my dick\u2019s supposed to be fair-sized, but it don\u2019t reach that far. (Pause) She been there months<\/i> now. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Oh, watch the food. Be sure, Cole (?), you get the food, be sure you get what you\u2019re looking for now, be sure you get into that now, I wa\u2014\u00a0I want\u2014 I do want you to get your plate. All of you just\u2014 umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Low voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Yeah, I remember, like you were (Unintelligible word) out by the toilet when the last White Night\u2014 hmm-hmm. (Shout) Don\u2019t give me no shit tonight, (laughs) I\u2019m in no mood for it, my blood pressure too high. (Pause) Ready to run away?<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Don\u2019t give me no shit when I come back at you tonight, you don\u2019t want your ass wrung all around this floor. (Pause) Leave wife, children, everybody, some of them did. Some of these White Nights, ah-hah, ah-hah, ah-hah, they\u2019re going to split here and let the wife and the children stay here. (Pause) You didn\u2019t see no<\/i> woman try to go over the hill, but I saw some men.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Shift, please. (Pause) And you idiotic things. You idiotic men and then\u2014 But unfortunately you women sell out for a mighty small pittance. (Pause) You sell out for their five-minute fuck. And if they drink a little water, they\u2019re lucky and don\u2019t come, they can go ten minutes. (Pause) And\u2014\u00a0and if they just push it hard and think about a man real well and push a little more water, maybe fifteen at the maximum<\/i>. And there are very few who can go that.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: And if they go longer, they have to go yah-dah, they\u2019re like rockabye baby in the treetop. And to think of the hours I\u2019ve had to go, just like that (sounds like teeth are clenched). Just like that. Just like that, for six, seven hours, and you people sell your ass out for nothing. Nothing<\/i>. Till I\u2019d come home and they\u2019d have to\u2014 medical people\u2019d have to treat my penis, it would be skinned, skinned from the\u2014 (Pause) the top of it to the balls, all the way, skinned. (Pause) (Low menace) You goddamn people are stupid, caught up in this sex shit. (Pause) What have you got in common, what did the two of you have in common? How long\u2019d he fuck? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I\u2019m asking you, how long did he fuck you, when he could fuck? How long did he fuck?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>I\u2019d say about two minutes some\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Two minutes? Two minutes?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>I don\u2019t know. I\u2019d just be making like, you know, I like it, you know, I go, I just be, you know, telling him about \u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Astonished) Two minutes? This\u2014\u00a0No wonder he\u2019s such a brazen ass. A woman don\u2019t even get wound up in ten.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Incredulous) Two minutes? You stupid son of a bitch.<\/p>\n

Conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Incredulous) Ain\u2019t no wonder he\u2019s spoiled rotten. (Pause) Just get it on, huh? (Pause) You can\u2019t be blamed for not coming more, not\u2014 I don\u2019t know anybody else that has that<\/i> capacity, to come several times like I do, but you could have been little more considerate<\/i>. (Pause) Two minutes? (Pause) And she act like she enjoyed it. She had to act like, \u2018cause she didn\u2019t get time to get lubricated<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: The juices (unintelligible word) don\u2019t even start to flow before two minutes, (Pause) much less get the clitoris moving.<\/p>\n

Catcalls and derisive shouts<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Isn\u2019t that outrageous. Now, now you got a two-minute fuck, what else did you have in common?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter<\/p>\n

Stanley<\/b>: Oh. (Pause) That\u2019s all we had\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Oh, don\u2019t wave, honey, they\u2019ll get the food to you, don\u2019t wave so hard, they\u2019ll get\u2014 you will eat before you die.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Turn the light on\u2014 I haven\u2019t seen anything like some of these folks. They\u2019d eat, by God, when they was getting ready to be lowered in the grave.<\/p>\n

Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: If it\u2019s the last meal, if it gets that way during the night, we\u2019ll kill all of our chickens and we\u2019ll eat fried chicken, some of you want to, but when I\u2019m<\/i> tense, as long as there\u2014 as long\u2014 as long as there\u2019s hope<\/i> for you, I sure don\u2019t think about food. And I wonder where in the hell some of your heads are.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I really do. I\u2019m sitting up here, haven\u2019t eaten. (Pause) I wonder where in the hell your heads are. (Pause) You think I\u2019m\u2014 you think Father\u2019s<\/i> going to bring us through. (Pause) Well, some<\/i>time, some<\/i>place, everybody don\u2019t come through.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: And we got a hell of a lot of odds<\/i> tonight. (Pause) Anybody wants to leave now, before you\u2014 because this could be your night<\/i> of death. Anybody want to leave? (Pause) I\u2019ll let you go, because (Deliberate) I know one thing<\/i>, you\u2019ll never get in\u2014 they\u2019ll make your life more miserable when you get in United States. (Pause) I\u2019ll let your ass go<\/i>. We\u2019ll help you through, so you won\u2019t get through the snakes and the (unintelligible word)\u2014 and the tigers. And the little frogs, that you just touch, you die in a matter of minutes, if they touch you, happen to hop on you. (Pause) Let\u2019s get down to the gut root, huh? (Pause) What\u2019s back there of interest, Wesley [Breidenbach]? (Pause) I\u2019m watching on the back row, what\u2019s back there of interest, Wesley? (Pause) Rehearsing? Good. I didn\u2019t mean that close. (Backs off) Okay, that\u2019s all right, all right, I\u2019ll just ask questions. I just want you to know, the old fox is not blind tonight. He notices it when you move your eyeballs. (Pause) Have to always maintain that stance, too. That\u2019s been your only protection. Can\u2019t be a normal human. Can\u2019t relax. Gotta look for treason every day, 24 hours a day, gotta look for treason. How would you like to live your life like that? (Pause) Can\u2019t come up and pat the good people on the back and talk with them and kiss cheeks, got to be always<\/i> looking for treason, or fighting some son of a bitching traitor. On the defensive all the time. (Pause) Cooking up ways to get back at pricks<\/i> that are trying to destroy children. (Pause) And setting up here being bored by a two-minute fuck. And if it was a 20-year<\/i> fuck, it wouldn\u2019t interest me. (Pause) \u2018Cause when I lay down with somebody, I\u2019ll be goddamned<\/i> if somebody could match my several hours fuck, I would want to be sure I was next to somebody that I thought<\/i> was thinking at least<\/i> the capacity slightly<\/i> above an ape. (Pause) I\u2014 I\u2019ll say anything tonight, so just hold in there.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Particularly when they can. Smart enough to lie to you, smart enough to cheat, smart enough to do every other kind of shit, smart enough to try to plot to leave, smart enough to push dope and get trouble, (Voice softens) but terribly cool, terribly insensitive to push dope. (Pause) You get contract killers after you. (Pause) Almost get Marceline killed. We\u2019re setting here listening to this shit, because we, well\u2014 (Pause) I guess I\u2019m feeling along while I\u2019m doing it, I\u2019m really not paying that much attention to you, I\u2019m feeling along here, see where people\u2019s attitudes are about death. There\u2019ve been some new folks since the White Night.<\/p>\n

Murmured response.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: How many new since the last White goddamned miserable mother-fucking son-of-a-bitching Night? You White Night folk, come on up here, come up, you not in no trouble, just tell us how you feel about it, you\u2019re facing death. That\u2019s what the hell you\u2019re facing. (Pause) Come on up, honey.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Over here.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Now we get a, a slight review, slight\u2014 slight release from this two-minute fuck.<\/p>\n

Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: (Unintelligible) me, I haven\u2019t got time to walk away, get a blanket so I can stand up here and piss. I haven\u2019t got time, I\u2014 to stand off from there. I want to keep my eyes on the people. (Unintelligible\u2014 sounds like “We haven\u2019t”) time to fuck<\/i>, much less anything else. I mean “to piss” rather. Excuse me. All I want to do right now is piss.<\/p>\n

Low conversation. Microphone moved around.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>Shut up. Quiet \u2014<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Shut up.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Just be still. (Pause) Big deal. Funny. (Pause) White Nights are so funny. It\u2019s part of our acting<\/i> program. (Pause) We went several months without them, but I\u2019ll be goddamned if they sure aren\u2019t regular lately. (Pause) How do you feel about it, you may die tonight?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Uh, yes, I think we all should die tonight if it\u2019s our turn. I\u2019m willing, Father, to stand with you all the way, just like I always have told you three years ago, \u2018cause everything seems and will always be the same. I\u2019m not (unintelligible), \u2018cause I\u2019m a fighter, Father. And you know that.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That\u2019s (unintelligible\u2014 sounds like “the point”). (Pause) Shh!<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>Father. I been, I been in this family, ever since \u201871.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: You been what, sweetheart?<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>I been in this family ever since \u201871.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Yeah.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>And I asked you\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Never heard a man speak like this\u2014<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>I never (voice trails away from mike)<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I remember your song. It used to keep me going, \u2018cause it was<\/i> the truth.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>And let me tell you one thing. I meditate so hard that you would get me out to the States (unintelligible as she weeps). You are my family. But I know, some of my people that others go, I felt<\/i> like they\u2019re going to hurt you. When they hurt you, they hurt me. (Pause) I tell you the truth. I\u2019m not going to lie. <\/i>You\u2019re the only father I have. It\u2019s the only family<\/i> I have. I give up my brother to you\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Mmm-hmm. (unintelligible) I remember you fighting. You don\u2019t need\u2014 you don\u2019t need to say\u2014 you don\u2019t need to say no more. I\u2014 I remember your fight.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>I love you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I know you do.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>I really do.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I remember when you sang, (Sings) I never heard. (Normal conversation). Sing it for us right now. Some<\/i> people will remember, and we\u2019re still\u2014 that might take us through.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>Yes. The way I know I heard\u2014 I had a family, I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: I want you to sing your song. Where\u2019s the musicians?<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>I\u2019m going to sing it, I\u2019m going to sing it fer ya.<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts. Claps with song.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>(Sings) All the days of my life, every since I been born, I never heard a man, speak like this man before. I never heard a man speak like this man before. Now all the days of my life, ever since I been born, I never heard a man speak like this man before. I came to Father, how I was. I\u2019m an (unintelligible\u2014\u00a0sounds like “angry woman”) inside. He give me resting place and he made me glad. And I never heard a man speak like this man before.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Sing it. You can sing like socialists.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman: <\/b>(Sings) I never heard a man speak like this man before. Now all the days of my life ever since I been born, I never heard a man speak like this man before. Oh, I never heard a man speak like this man before.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Come on, sing. (Sings) I never heard a man speak like this man before. The days of my life, ever since I been born, never heard a man speak like this man before.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Claps<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: That\u2019s true. (Ministerial tone) Wherever in the hell it\u2019s brought us, it brought us on principle, it brought us on courage, and it brought us to the right place, and if we hold on, we\u2019ll make it. (Sings) Never heard a man speak like this man before. I never heard a man like this socialist man before. All the days of my life, ever since I been born, I never heard a man speak like this man before. (Conversation) Clap your hands. (Sings) I never heard a man speak like this man before. Never heard a man speak like this man before. All the days of my life, ever since I been born, I never heard a man speak like this man before. (Conversation) Now, can somebody tell me\u2014 thank you, mother, you don\u2019t have to say any more, you\u2019ve proved it\u2014\u00a0Anybody tell me what my feeling was when I heard that song?<\/p>\n

Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Anybody feel\u2014 Can anybody know me\u2014 You ought to know<\/i> me, that\u2019s what will make the movement strong.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Can you tell me, Selika [Bordenave]?<\/p>\n

Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Male calls: <\/b>Microphone.<\/p>\n

Selika<\/b>: \u2014and that particular song, you was trying\u2014 it was\u2014 you asked us to sing it, I think you was trying to express your feelings,<\/i> that there\u2019s nobody have the feelings that you have for each individual here.<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: That\u2019s true. I\u2019ll tell you, and I don\u2019t expect you to go through guessing games, \u2018cause no one could possibly know it, maybe just a few. The\u2014 I felt sad that it was true that there was no man that lived or spoke like this man. That\u2019s what I felt. (Sings) Never heard a man speak like this man before. I never heard a man speak like this man before. All the days of a cotton-pickin\u2019 life, ever since I been born, never heard a man speak like this man before. Never heard a man\u2014 (Calls out) Can\u2019t you sing a little louder and clap your hands? Your enemies are out there. (Sings) \u2014 speak like this man before. All the days of my life, ever since I been born. (Conversation) Now I want you to sing it loud. There\u2019s another reason, for tactical reasons, I always do, you\u2014 I don\u2019t enjoy being talked about, I don\u2019t enjoy being sung<\/i> about. As I said, the only thing I felt was sadness that it\u2019s so goddamn<\/i> true that there\u2019s no other man that\u2019s ever lived so courageous, so strong, so principled. I know that.<\/i> I know that. I\u2019ve read<\/i> their histories, I know, surely<\/i>, about the ones that are alive, I can watch them, and I\u2019ve seen their performance. But there\u2019s another<\/i> reason I was doing it. Out there there\u2019s one man we haven\u2019t caught<\/i> yet, that tried to shoot at our children, so let him know we\u2019re not discouraged. (Sings) I never heard a man speak like this man before. I never heard a man speak like this man before. All the days of my life, ever since I been born, I never\u2014 (Cries out) Louder, louder. Clap your hands. (Sings) I never\u2014 I never heard a man speak like this man before. All the days of this life, ever since I been born, I never heard a man speak like this man before. (Singsong) Now make your sound (High cry) woo woo woo woo\u2014.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Long oooh!<\/p>\n

Jones<\/b>: Woo woo woo woo\u2014<\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted February 1999<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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