{"id":27509,"date":"2013-06-16T00:20:41","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:20:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27509"},"modified":"2014-08-20T23:07:56","modified_gmt":"2014-08-20T23:07:56","slug":"q637","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27509","title":{"rendered":"Q637 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).
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Woman: <\/b>\u2014 from the beginning, and for you to give me this chance for me to come back \u2014 I have no reason to want to live \u2014 since I been here, I\u2019ve, I\u2019ve\u2014 all I\u2019ve seen in the beauty is socialism, and I feel that my life is fulfilled and if death comes, it\u2019s no\u2014 it\u2019s no big deal to me, because I\u2019ve already lived my life, just being here with the family. Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you. We will, we will try to light candles and not curse darkness.<\/p>\n

Young child: <\/b>Um, I\u2019m prepared to die for this family if I have\u2014 have to for freedom. Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jerry Parks:<\/b> I\u2019d also be prepared to die after 44 years of ah, ah, being able to ah, contribute anything to this life or if I find any point a reason for it at all, and not being well-known, ah, at all, there sure would be no glory in it. But uh for the children<\/i> here, for freedom<\/i>, as long as there is one<\/i> remains on this earth that isn\u2019t free, none of us are free. And I\u2019m prepared to give my life, if need be.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Get your heads together with him and think of any (struggles for words)\u2014 I didn\u2019t catch uh, all that there, I didn\u2019t catch all, but anyone have any, you, from the floor, want to challenge anybody, that\u2019s fine\u2014 I didn\u2019t catch, that was the only one I didn\u2019t catch. Anybody have any questions of it.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>Would you take your daughter\u2019s [Tracy Parks’] life if it came to it?<\/p>\n

Jerry: <\/b>No, I\u2019d give mine in the place of hers.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Would you like her to be taken by the fascists, then?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now hold it, now, you\u2014 I\u2019ve got on a sensitive small point, and that may be\u2014 you better give me\u2014 yeah, there\u2019s a lo\u2014 lo\u2014 lot to that to think about.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Think about it, think about it. He\u2014 he bare\u2014 brought up a sensitive question, and you may not understand the gravity of that question, but all of our children have faced this \u2014 we went through White Nights \u2014 so they\u2019ll not be hurt by it. We haven\u2019t had any child ha\u2014 causing us any difficulty by facing this kind of thought.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Jerry: <\/b>Are you asking me ah, if I would give my life in the place of my child? Was that the question?<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>No, the question is would you give your life (radio static) she would be taken by fascists\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m not going to\u2014\u00a0ah\u2014 (Pause) He asked you a question. He can\u2019t be heard. (Pause) (Unintelligible\u2014 sounds like “Some of these”) clean glasses? Vincent had something for me which he got in in time.<\/p>\n

Man at mike: <\/b>Jerry, the question would be, if the fascists were coming up the road right now, and we were going to lay down our lives and fight<\/i> for it, you<\/i> say you would give your life for your child\u2019s, but would you leave it for the fascists to have? What would you do in that case?<\/p>\n

Jerry: <\/b>If it came to that, I would have to take her life.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Fine. You understand that? You understand that? Were you\u2014 But she\u2019s\u2014 she\u2019s so old, she\u2019d fight. How old is your child?<\/p>\n

Jerry: <\/b>Eleven.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Then she passes the age. We fight at eleven. It\u2019s under that, that we consider that\u2014 She would take up a cutlass and fight till she was dead, unless it came to an overwhelming invasion, and then we would gently put them to, to sleep, which we have with they\u2019ve never know what ha\u2014 hit them. We\u2019re already prepared for that. A people<\/i> who are really loving and a Father<\/i> who is ch\u2014 genuinely compassionate is prepared for all such emergencies. I have complete\u2014 in fact, if it was such a melee<\/i> that they were going to try to set us up to look like we were fighting black against black and using the army here, who would being duped, if they were \u2014 although we\u2019ve been having very good relations with the commander of the entire Guyanese Defense Force, so that becomes less likely\u2014 but if that were the case, we would have arrangement that every living soul here can step out of life easily. (Pause) But you don\u2019t that,<\/i> as long as there\u2019s alternatives in which you can make a mark<\/i>\u2014 you don\u2019t do<\/i> that unless there\u2019s alternatives\u2014 all alternatives are closed<\/i> for you to make a mark against fascism. That is, by taking some of the fascist CIA that might be located here, which we know some. And uh\u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t mean in this, just this community, I\u2019m talking about in the nation<\/i> and then some perhaps de\u2014 be delegated to go back to do some work. (Pause) If you know what I mean.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And I mean work in which then you would give your life, you would take\u2014 (Pause) remove the enemies\u2019 lives and then take your life (Pause) before they got a chance to catch you. Why? (Pause) Because their torture<\/i> methods are so<\/i> severe, as you saw on The Day Of The Jackal<\/i> \u2014 how many studied that? (Pause) There\u2019s a brave man who had things locked<\/i> to his wrist so they would have to cut his arm off, but they had such ingenious methods back then<\/i> in the 60\u2019s, that they made him scream out in his subconscious, even, he was so benumbed, he screamed out the name “Crist” and “Jackal”, and gave them the lead to lead to the communist, likely, who was working for something more than money<\/i>, who was trying to get th\u2014 the dictator, even when they\u2014 remember when they caught him? (Pause) I mean he said, that your, your cover\u2019s known, your cover\u2019s blown, they know you, he kept on going, and he had two hundred and fifty thousand bucks in the Swiss bank, didn\u2019t he?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But he kept on going to get the son of a bitch.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>He made a deal so he could get back out.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He made a deal, yes, ah, I thank you, he made a deal. They, they, that was the honorable deal. He said, if any one of you are caught \u2014 something\u2019s happening to some of the P.A., \u2018cause I can tell the difference\u2014<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Test, test.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He said\u2014 they said, if he made the deal \u2014 (tape cuts off, and then into middle of word a few seconds; was this an edit?) all started. He made it. (Struggles for words) Something wrong. It\u2019s outside, it went off.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And uh, he made the deal. You remember. If anyone of you are caught, the three in this room, I have a right to call off the whole thing. Remember when he said that? He said, I have a right to do it in my own time<\/i>, when I think it\u2019s convenient to be done, to be done successfully, and if any one<\/i> of you are caught, if it leaks out who I am, then I have a right to call it off. And in fact<\/i>, his\u2014 it\u2014 the agent who called him from Paris, when he called in Paris, they said, “Blow it. It\u2019s, it\u2019s blown. Deal\u2019s off.” But he kept on going. He kept on going. (Pause) And he<\/i> succeeded. (Pause) He got there. The police tried to make it look he\u2014 Hollywood always tries to make it look good, but he succeeded. (Pause) And that\u2019s, that\u2019s the kind of gut that it takes, and he also killed who else\u2014 what other dictator did he kill? \u2014 that showed he had a communist connection. [Gen. Rafael] Trujillo. Trujillo. Fascist dictator of Dominican Republic who held on\u2014 murderous regime upheld by the\u2014 even after it was over\u2014 U.S. Marine Corps tried to maintain, it still does<\/i> maintain, the government. So you got our will to fight as long as there is anything to fight. But if it\u2019s going to cause dishonor to socialism, it\u2019d be best to just lay down our lives, and what\u2019s that called?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Scattered response from crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calls out in affirmation) Revolutionary suicide. Any<\/i> suicide for selfish reasons, which are always hostile<\/i> reasons, is always<\/i> going to bring you immorality, and your history will be cursed<\/i>. Furthermore, you\u2019ll come back again in some other form, for sure. Lower form. You\u2019ll come back again reincarnated in a lower<\/i> form. But that\u2019s not the point. The morality of it is, you\u2019d\u2014 suicide is unacceptable. Except for revolutionary reasons. Well, you answered the question very well. You would not want to leave your childre\u2014\u00a0child to be tortured<\/i> by such methods as that, and that\u2019s what we\u2019ve made protection will not happen. We will not let anybody be left to that kind. The advanced seniors or the small children will not go through that. (Pause) They\u2019re not going to make mockery<\/i> of our babies (Pause) and torture our old people, right?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hands up for those who have not eaten. (Calls out) There\u2019s something wrong with the P.A. vol\u2014 system on here now, if you can correct this. I can tell.<\/p>\n

Long pause while work on P.A. system(?)<\/p>\n

Roberts: <\/b>Dad, from \u201868 to \u201869, the capitalists sent me to Vietnam to fight a war that I didn\u2019t know anything about. I had no principle to die in that war. You have saved my life so many times, Dad, now I\u2019ll have no life of my own, I\u2019m living on your<\/i> time. I would die for you right now, Dad. I\u2019m willing to face the front line with you right now. Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What is it? Once again, I didn\u2019t catch that comment, uh, Roberts.<\/p>\n

Roberts: <\/b>I say from \u201868 to \u201869, Dad, the capitalists sent me to a war in Vietnam to fight for no principle. I had no principle to die there. Now you have saved my life so many times, Dad, and the only principle I have now is to live the life with you, and I would die for you right now, Dad. I would like to be on the front line when you send me out, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Roberts: <\/b>Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re now meeting with one of the\u2014 try to stop this shit about the doctor, we\u2019re in a\u2014 we\u2019re in giving our war<\/i> demands in, in Georgetown now, with the Prime Minister in Russia, it\u2019s a very untenable situation, uneasy<\/i> situation. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Who hasn\u2019t eaten?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It can be in the envelope. It could be in the envelope that I brought back here. It\u2019s right in the me\u2014 the file box, right in the file box now.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Keep your hands up.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2018Cause it was also a strategy in which she offered to give her life, Terri [Buford] offered to give her life, is that the same thing where you offered to give your life and, uh, commit suicide to get one of the enemies? Is that the same shit? Well, it\u2019s right there in the file, with my newspapers, right there in the file, right above the radio.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She saw this coming yesterday, (struggles for words) she don\u2019t want any hero, she getting red-faced about it. (Conversational) And um, you say, well, that\u2019s kinda bad news, kinda bad news, uh, so many people have been fucked. She\u2019s<\/i> been fucked. It\u2019s worth it when\u2014 Last night she said, isn\u2019t it worth it to the cause? (Pause) Last night, she wanted to go, she said, I<\/i> will go back, and she one of the m\u2014 most genius personalities we have here. Right?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm? Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2014 you deal with her mind, you\u2019ll find out. (Pause) Not sure she wouldn\u2019t have done it anyway. There some people, you\u2014 you take gambles, you see. (Pause) (Angry) Well, goddamnit, get this motherfucker fixed. (Pause) Get a tone or get (struggles for words) a better quality of the voice. How many hearing me out there?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Low murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019re not hearing me too well. Back there at the back? (Pause) Not hearing me at all at the back. Now that\u2019s outrageous. People always wave your hands when you can\u2019t hear me. (Angry) What has gone out in here? (Pause) Got 53 minutes until press time. (Pause) (Voice raises) Anyway. You take those chances. I\u2019m always cynical. (Pause) I operate from a zero. If you want something big out of people, or you want to keep traitors. There\u2019s mo\u2014 There\u2019s all kinds of fucks, right?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Some to cultivate the strength and the potential you see, right<\/i>?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Others to keep people from treason. She wasn\u2019t one, to keep from treason, I can tell you that. It\u2019s been a long time ago, too, so you don\u2019t need to worry about it. But last night \u2014 as I told you, I won\u2019t tell the black ones unless some of you get too smuggy \u2014 (Pause) One of the best black women back in San Francisco fighting for us right now, has because she was with me. That\u2019s what kept her cool. It made her feel\u2014 Unfortunately, you women do this to yourself. Your social acceptance comes through what a man thinks of you. (Pause) And if the leader is attracted to you, then somehow that cultivates. Well, you ought to know I\u2019m attracted to you, I\u2019m ready to die for every one of you, so that means I\u2019m attracted<\/i> to you. You follow what I\u2019m saying? I\u2019m attracted to all<\/i> of you. How much more attraction can you have than to be ready to have your eyes plucked out? (Pause) (Voice lowers) You don\u2019t understand that. You don\u2019t understand. I might as well throw that\u2014 I might as well throw pearls to swine, than to throw it to some of you. Some of you do, or there\u2019d have been a hell of a lot more claps. How many heard what I just said?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They heard it way behind? You people\u2014 They\u2019re saying that row that you didn\u2019t<\/i> hear. (Pause) Well, last night, she was going back to get<\/i> one. She said, I can do it. You\u2019ve given so much to me, the cause has given to me, I\u2019ll<\/i> take care of it. (Pause) (Voice raises) And I said No. Because your mind is needed. There\u2019s still hope, life\u2014 we weren\u2019t even in a White Night<\/i>, though it was possible that it was coming. I said No. The person that ought<\/i> to offer it is somebody who\u2019s not twenty\u2014 whatever she is, 26, 27, it should be somebody that\u2019s nearly finished their life, who\u2019s yet still sharp like some of these women that run up here and fought off all these security, practically. It ought to be somebody that was o\u2014 ready to step over the other side<\/i>, or handicapped, or who have terminal illness like somebody that maybe we find have cancer or disabilities in their body, real serious disabilities. Those<\/i> should be the ones that volunteer, but (Cries out) goddamn<\/i>, rarely do they do it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And don\u2019t get threatened. Don\u2019t get threatened. Everybody that I have ever (Pause) had that relationship with\u2014 I\u2019ve told<\/i> you all<\/i> the traitors, and everybody else inside are the very means that some of you are protected, both black and white. (Pause) You understand what I\u2019m saying? (Pause) White and black. They\u2019re the very means that you can go to bed<\/i> tonight and be safe. Some of them are in<\/i> it. There\u2019re others too that are not, that are still your buffers of protection, who never<\/i> have. Strong people, because they were able to what? Vicariously identify, right? They were able to look at it, right?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shit. That\u2019s all right. It\u2019s all right. Now you say, well, did everyone need it? (Voice goes up in shout) You never know. But if one<\/i> needed it, baby, you better do it. (Pause) You follow what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You say, why\u2019d you<\/i> have to do it, Father? Because shitheads that I assigned to do it, nobody yet<\/i> has ever done it right. (Pause) Now, now, let\u2019s think about that<\/i>. I assign men and women, and nobody but one that I ever knew \u2014 and she had her problems with a high-ranking governmental official, most powerful official \u2014 everybody<\/i> fucked it up. Somebody with Grace? Fuck it up. You think I\u2019m telling you stories. I\u2019m telling you truths.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who fuck it up with Grace? Doing all right now, good worker. Fuck it up. (Incredulous) You forgotten? Tim Carter, for Christ\u2019s sake. You can\u2019t forget. (Pause) Do I need to go into more? (Pause) (Laughs) (Cries out) There\u2019s black ones that have fucked it up, there\u2019re white ones that have fucked it up, so don\u2019t ask me why I had to do it. Nobody else would do<\/i> it. They got their ass caught up in it. One thing, if you\u2019re going to be involved in helping to keep a traitor or to cultivate the personality into the strength that you see in them, you\u2019ve got to keep your mind in socialism all the time<\/i>. Do you follow me? Now, listen<\/i> to me out here. You get to know<\/i> me, some of you people, if you\u2019d listen<\/i> to me. (Pause) You\u2019ve got to keep your mind above it. You don\u2019t dare<\/i> think they want you. (Pause) If you do, you\u2019ve lost<\/i> it right there.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019ve lost it. (Pause) (Voice calms) You say, ah, ca\u2014 they love me. Shit, honey. If I\u2019ve got $5000 for it, and they didn\u2019t love me and they\u2019re ready to kill me, one woman paying five thousand, they don\u2019t\u2014 they don\u2019t\u2014 you\u2019re just kidding yourself. Nobody loves you, but Father. Nobody.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And you shouldn\u2019t be loving nothing but socialism, that\u2019s what you should be loving. Socialism. (Pause) And I don\u2019t know why\u2014 That\u2019s what makes me want to die. I never<\/i> get claps for this. Never. (Voice rises) Talk about somebody got healed, and everybody\u2019s shoutin\u2019 all over the place.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Claps.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I heal somebody to prolong their life so they\u2019ll finally die, and everybody jumps up and down. (Pause) Can we fix this son-of-a-bitch? Thank you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Claps.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And that was the most important message I gave you in a long time, because it\u2019s so sensitive, it\u2019s painful to me to talk about. And it pains me, because it hurts others<\/i>. (Pause) Nothing about me. I\u2019m hesitant to show you any more. I don\u2019t give a goddamn<\/i>, I\u2019ll tell you every failure, every guilt, every fault, every mistake, every victory. But I don\u2019t like to make other people a showcase. You understand that?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So sex is (struggles for words) revealing other<\/i> people\u2019s lives. She\u2019s talked about it publicly, but that\u2019s what she was going to do last night. She was going to get<\/i> out of here, leave<\/i>, and commit<\/i> suicide and disown<\/i> me, so it would not look like she was connected with me, and I said No.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Low conversation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm? (Pause) Shit, I would say that was worth a fuck. (Pause) I would think so, but that\u2019s not why she did it. That\u2019s not why she did it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Claps.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause a fuck is looonng ago in the past.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. (Pause) One of the older black women right back there in San Francisco is fighting for us right now, and been kept by that, so don\u2019t knock it. \u2018Cause there\u2019ve been young, old, men, women, black, white. (Excitedly, quickly) And if you<\/i> can\u2019t do it, then don\u2019t knock me. You<\/i> are the poor socialist. It\u2019s your poor ass, as I\u2019ve said, then I\u2019ve had second thoughts as I said to this young woman over here, I said, can\u2019t you<\/i> go to bed? I said, if anybody deserves it, it\u2019s Dr. [Larry] Schacht. And I thought, noooo<\/i> way, I ain\u2019t gonna give him that shit. No way. Umm-hmm. I ain\u2019t going to give him nobody<\/i> that\u2019s doing him a service. She since said that she didn\u2019t feel<\/i> that way. But I ain\u2019t gonna do that. I ain\u2019t gonna trick my friends. You people are my friends now, unless you\u2019re gonna be a fucking<\/i> asshole and a traitor, then we\u2019ll deal with you. But I (struggles for words) can\u2019t go to bed with somebody\u2014 (Resigned) Oh, Jesus, makes me sick, makes me want to just cry out inside more than I can talk. To\u2014 to think<\/i> that people are so damn<\/i> picayune about who they go to bed with, and (Upset) particularly<\/i> you women, all you have to do is lay there, and by God, I\u2019ve had to keep it going all night. To make $5000 to save starving babies, I had to go from sundown<\/i> till sun-up<\/i>. That was the bargain the bitch made with me. (Pause) Nnn\u2014\u00a0I looked like somebody run my pick\u2014 prick look like it had been run through a meat<\/i> grinder. (Pause) Then you women, all you have to do is lay there? Piss<\/i> on you women. I mean, piss<\/i> on any woman says they can\u2019t do this, or they can\u2019t do that. She didn\u2019t say she couldn\u2019t, but you were hesitant. You were hesitant there. You sure as hell was hesitant. (Pause) It was that she didn\u2019t say she wasn\u2019t\u2014\u00a0didn\u2019t like<\/i> him, she just said she wanted to be finished with sex altogether. I said, well, I don\u2019t think that\u2019s quite fair to him. He\u2019s had none<\/i>. That\u2019s what I was trying to say to you. This prick\u2019s had everything he wanted<\/i>. (Pause) It wasn\u2019t that she was really doing you a favor, I want to make that clear. I want to be very honest, \u2018cause honesty\u2014 I been\u2014 I told you, I\u2019ll give you all your victories, you\u2019ve heard every victory over that microphone, and you\u2019ll hear every defeat. Some of you\u2019ll say it\u2019s foolish, but I am going to die, we\u2019re too close to the end of the world, I\u2019m too close now to start any bullshit. People said, don\u2019t get on with these emergencies, and then pricks set around here and say when we come on that they\u2019re not for real. (Pause) What the fuck you think they go through all this shit? There\u2019s only eight new people here tonight, I hope somebo\u2014 son-of-a-bitch that thought that has a double-take now. Eight<\/i> new people here tonight. You have to go through for eight, why not wait for the whole bunch that\u2019s in town. The goddamn town\u2019s filled<\/i> with people coming out. Why not wait then? (Lectures) You pricks don\u2019t want to face a White Night, because you\u2019re not capable of facing a White Night.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s gotta be\u2014 It\u2019s gotta be unreal\u2014 It\u2019s gotta be unreal, because you haven\u2019t got the guts<\/i> to die every day like I die.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Cries out) Don\u2019t give me no shit. That\u2014\u00a0That goes for one, that goes for all.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices in crowdCrowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I wouldn\u2019t call alert alert alert and say this is the worst alert\u2014 the worst White Night in all, and (struggles for words) have people running over each other and falling down, I wouldn\u2019t do that. What kind of inhumanity do you think I am? (Pause) That\u2019s why I tipped you in on the radio. Goddamn, I guess you gotta pipe in everybody the radio every time, so they can see what the shit\u2019s going on.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices in crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause people<\/i> want to live in a dream world. Yeah! (Pause) I wonder what the hell you thought when they were shooting<\/i> at us.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm? When they come tropping in here with the goddamn government and the head of the\u2014 the Prime Minister\u2019s brother come driving in here, nailing shit on our walls, when we won our first war, when the government was all out of the country then. (Pause) All<\/i> of them were out then. No friend was here. They were all\u2014\u00a0Washington had tricked them into being there to sign the Panamanian treaty, which has since been totally sold out. The Panamanian people say, the president of P\u2014 Panama says, do you not expect us to have pride? We are human. That was his quote in the news this morning. Do you not expect us to be\u2014 uh, you expect us to not be human? We do have pride. (Pause) (Low voice of menace) \u2018Cause US has just amended and amended and amended and amended and amended. Goddamn dogs. I wish I was there to kill them. For some of you, it\u2019s only\u2014 (stumbles over word) Some of you made it precious. Some of you made it worthwhile. But some of you people? If I had to do it over again, all this beauty? I wouldn\u2019t have come here to give you the beauty, \u2018cause I<\/i> didn\u2019t come for the beauty. (Pause) I came to save you from jails, torture, concentration camps, a nuclear war which your skin will roll off your back [see contextual note here<\/a>]. Your eyeballs will be burned out. That\u2019s<\/i> what I came to save you for. I wouldn\u2019t have moved out on shit<\/i>. I\u2019da found the first fucking bomb \u2014 you heard me five years ago \u2014\u00a0I\u2019da found out where it was gonna be, and parked my ass under it, and so woulda some of the rest of us. (Pause) We came to save people, seniors, from torture, black people that deserve\u2014\u00a0like one black sister said to me last night, Sister [Margrette] Jeffery I believe it was, said, Father, if there was no<\/i> enemies, this is where I\u2019da picked my life to be. And I thought, Sister Jeffery, wherever you are, that was the sweetest thing you could have said to me. Back there. She said, this is where I\u2019da picked the end of my life to be, because of the beauty. (Pause) (Struggles for words) And the very few say things like that to me, Mom Jeffery. Very few. Usually stop me and say, (mimics old woman) “Well, I didn\u2019t get my, all of my food today, and they didn\u2019t get me the wrong medicine, and they made me wait five minutes in line.” That\u2019s what the shit they stop me with. (Pause) Thank you, Mother Jeffery for that, I don\u2019t know whether it\u2019s two nights ago, whenever the hell it was, but when you said it, it locked in my heart. You said, if there was no<\/i> enemy, the senior back there said, she\u2019s standing there with her fist up, said if there was no<\/i> enemies, if there was no<\/i> danger, if our black people were not<\/i> in trouble, this is where I\u2019da picked the end ma\u2014 the end of my life to be. This is where I woulda come, because of all the beauty. And some of you<\/i> ought to try to practice some of that appreciation, because her and her husband, they had good<\/i> money, good<\/i> house, good<\/i> income, they had all they needed. Some you fuckers haven\u2019t lived\u2014 you\u2019ve lived from hand-to-mouth and begging, goddamnit, been on welfare all your life, and they never been on welfare a day<\/i> in their life.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s what puts a boil in my ass. That\u2019s what would\u2014 puts a boil in my ass, somebody getting 98 bucks, or a hundred sixty-six lousy bucks a month, and living in a rat-infested tenement, and having cockroaches crawling on the wall, and every goddamn thing else, and you can\u2019t walk out in the street without getting mugged, or somebody climb through raping you or trying to set your house afire and say “I don\u2019t like it \u2018cause I didn\u2019t get enough rice.” I\u2019d like to give you some rice. Hot. (Pause) And Reb [James Edwards] back there will help me where to spoon it in. (Pause) (High laughter) People like Reb and his wife [Irene Edwards] give up big big businesses, all kinds of people like that, Mom Jeffery and h\u2014 her husband, good wages, no, they didn\u2019t have to come over here. Some of you goddamn people, you\u2019da been dead<\/i>, if you hadn\u2019t been over here. (Pause) \u2018Course, some of them would have been too<\/i>, Brother [Eartis] Jeffery would have, with a heart attack, but that\u2019s not why they came. (Pause) Yeah, sure, stroke, sure, you woulda been, because blood pressure went down, but by God it wasn\u2019t these<\/i> people that brought the blood pressure down, \u2018cause this shit\u2014\u00a0yeah\u2014 I\u2019d like to see what kinda help we\u2019d have. I believe our people wouldn\u2019t age<\/i>, (shouts) if it weren\u2019t for you infernal sonsabitches that keep us up all night and all day<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Shouts) Here\u2019s a man that six months ago was dead as a doornail with cancer. Goddamn cancer cells, his (unintelligible word) rate was up so fucking high, there was no way in the world, and I still<\/i> brought him through. I\u2019d like to know what the hell could happen\u2014 Rose Peterson back there, cancer was through her goddamn body so bad, that they said there was no use to even try<\/i> to give her radiation, and I healed her. I\u2019d like to see what I could do if some of you sonofabitches would help us.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Normal tone of voice) Forty-eight minutes until doomsday<\/i>, press time. (Pause) How many understood what I was talking about? Everybody write about if, if we come through this White Night. Everybody write about what I\u2014 and if you have to ask your neighbor, you better<\/i>, you better write what I just said about sex \u2014 why, who \u2014 not all the names \u2014 why I don\u2019t talk about black, why I don\u2019t like to talk about it, \u2018cause it hurts others (radio interference over word) me, what it was done for, both to (radio inference) the strength and build the courage, and some of the very people that\u2019re your best safeguards tonight. And some who are not<\/i>, who watched and helped. So don\u2019t say it\u2019s just (radio interference over sentence). I ain\u2019t going to get into that. It already will get people pissed then, so I ain\u2019t going to get into that. Go on. What do you want to say?<\/p>\n

(Radio interference over low crowd noise)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Is he up here again?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Edith Cordell is here (radio interference)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> There\u2019s one been with me for nearly 30 years. Get her off her feet. Goddamnit, through fires, they throw dynamite into our church coal, throwed slop in our windows, tried to arrest her, had her arrested, goddamnit, gonna put her in a mental institution in a strait-jacket till they drive her crazy. That\u2019s what they try to do, all the families, and they were all Pentecostal and they\u2014<\/p>\n

Edith<\/b>: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014 and the head of the Pentecostal church, the UPC, the largest Pentecostal church was right in the shit to take over her property, her land and her money and everything else. (Pause) In those days we weren\u2019t turning<\/i> over property, so it sure wasn\u2019t done on my part to save her property only for her. And by God, I did save her and prophesied I would do it.<\/p>\n

Edith: <\/b>Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Fact of the matter, I was miles away and knew at the very moment who was coming through the door, a detective, and I was uh\u2014 able to say the words to him that kept him from taking her in. If he had taken her in, (Pause) it\u2019da been over, because they\u2014 the law said they could hold her six weeks\u2014<\/p>\n

Edith: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014 and that if she wa\u2014 wasn\u2019t crazy, but at the end of six weeks, she would have been.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>(unintelligible) called her at home (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014 and I called her at home when she would ordinarily be at work, she was supposed to have been to work \u2014<\/p>\n

Edith: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014 but I had a\u2014 one of those revelations that have saved you through the years \u2014<\/p>\n

Edith: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014 paranormal socialist dimension. Yes. Yes, sweetheart.<\/p>\n

Edith: <\/b>I feel it\u2019d be a great honor to die tonight for this cause, and I\u2019m telling you right now, I\u2019d fight to the very last breath in my body<\/i> against these devils that come in.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She did too. We been fighting\u2014 30 years ago. Thirty years ago, they haunted us every goddamn night, tried to harass, come into our properties, her house, ah\u2014 mine, ring us on the fuckin\u2019 phone, call us all kinds of names and speak in tongues, put sugar in our gas tanks, take our wheels off our car, remove our batteries. Shit, we been at this 30 years, and she\u2019s still ready to fight. Some of you ought to not mind fightin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She came to me in 1951, that\u2019s 27 years ago, isn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Low crowd noise.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>28 years.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> 28 years ago, yeah, that\u2019s right, that\u2019s right. That\u2019s right. When it began. I\u2019m sorry. (Pause) That\u2019s a long time to be with a fighter. (Pause) I tried America, from one coast to the other, took you around every city, and I saw they, every goddamn one of them, was the same. If I coulda found one better than San Francisco, I\u2019da taken you to it. (Pause) \u2018Cause I woulda liked to struggle there, but we didn\u2019t have a chance<\/i> to win no revolution there. (Pause) All we had a chance was to see our children and old people be tortured. (Pause) And I didn\u2019t see that was any point. Here, we can, we can die on our own terms.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I said, we can die on our own terms.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s what Jesus said. (Turns into preacher\u2019s tone) No man, no man, no man shall take my life. I will lay it down.<\/i> That\u2019s what he said. He meant he\u2019d lay it down when he got ready. Some of these Christians don\u2019t understand this. We\u2019re more Christian than they ever could<\/i> be. Paul said, it\u2019s all right<\/i> to give your body to be burned, but be sure you got charity, which means principle. What is pure love? Communism. So in other words, Paul was saying, give your body to be burned. Send a fire<\/i> if \u2018sary, if necessary, to get a revolutionary message, but be sure you\u2019ve got communism in your heart. Right? That\u2019s what would be charity today.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Can\u2019t have any charity without communism.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So this is nothing new, giving your body, going out and committing suicide, taking a few enemies with you. (Pause) Thirty-two minutes till press time. (Pause) Let me see that last copy of that prelude that I gave you.<\/p>\n

End of side 1.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019d we just get through? What\u2019d I say about sex (radio interference)?<\/p>\n

Stanley Clayton: <\/b>You said you wanted us to write, write it up for you about sex.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Shouts) So I will know about sex?<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>No, no\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So the maestro of using revolutionary sex will know about it? Oh, come on now, Stanley, what\u2019s\u2014\u00a0what\u2014 what went before that? (Long pause) (Low tone of disgust) You know what they say about abominable shits. You think of anything else I said about sex?<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>(struggles for words) You also talked about sex (unintelligible)\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I talked about what? Speak up, Stanley, like you were bothering her for five hours, keeping her with your bullshit last night.<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>Yes, Dad. Um. You was\u2014\u00a0you was telling us about sex um, how um, how you had to, to do it um, to save this cause, to save our\u2014 save our ass, and for eight, eight and a half hours, eight, seven (unintelligible) hours with um, different wom\u2014 different\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Don\u2019t touch this, Stanley, I love you. I\u2019ll still die out there fighting if they come\u2014 if they come after you. I\u2019ll still be there, even though I\u2019d jump on your ass, I\u2019m trying to get you to grow. How you\u2019d remember the eight and a half hours, or about the fucking, that\u2014 and that seems to be the most prominent thing in your mind? (Pause) Why\u2019d you remember the eight and a half hours? (Pause) Why? (Pause) If you\u2019re\u2014 if you\u2019re concerned about hours<\/i>, you could remember the sunup to sundown, that\u2019s twelve hours. (Pause) Wh\u2014\u00a0Why? Why\u2019d you remember the eight and a half hours? Just tell me, honestly<\/i>. I won\u2019t punish you. I\u2019m going to be too busy fighting our enemies, not to war amongst our friends. Why\u2019d you remember the eight and a half hours? That\u2019s one that you come up with. Why\u2019d that stick in your mind? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>I just remember it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You just remembered it. You are a socialist<\/i>. You\u2019re supposed to know why<\/i> you remember things, why<\/i> you think<\/i> the way you think. You\u2019re supposed to know everything you can know<\/i> about yourself. When uh, somebody comes by to me that I don\u2019t know, never met, and they irritate me, I stop to analyze, why don\u2019t I? Often I\u2019ll find they remind me of somebody I once knew. (Pause) (Unintelligible word) Always. Always. <\/i>Then you gotta fight through<\/i> that, because that\u2019s prejudice<\/i>. (Pause) (Lecturing) You should know yourself better than that. You tell me you just thought, you just remember. There\u2019s more than that. (Pause) Why you remembered eight and a half hours? I\u2019m sure<\/i> there\u2019s more than that.<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>Yes, Dad. I\u2019m\u2014 (Pause) (struggles for words) I remembered, you know, that much, eight, you know, seven and a half hours, \u2018cause, you know, for me to be, well, for me to be, you know, um, a two-minute driver, you know, eight ho\u2014 eight hours would probably be more I would be try\u2014 striving for.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Probably be more than you\u2019re striving<\/i> for?<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>For being more or less\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019d have to be a maniac to strive for it, unless you were trying to help a revolution. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>That\u2019s true, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Amazing\u2014 Amazing to me, son, that you can come out<\/i> with that, that it\u2019d be more than you were striving for. Obviously<\/i> two minutes\u2014 you better<\/i> not strive for seven and a half, eight hours (Pause) which was not eight and a half hours, by the way, it was seven and a half to eight hours on that session. I remember every painful minute of this shit.<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Why would you want to be striving for eight hour fuck? (Pause) You think your dick would hold up for eight hours?<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I can tell<\/i> you it wouldn\u2019t. Nobody\u2019s does. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman talks low.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s the question. Whose idea\u2014 what\u2019re the ideas?<\/p>\n

Woman talks low.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (radio interference over question)<\/p>\n

Woman talks low. Conversation of several moments with Jones too quiet for comprehension. Seems to be working on wording of statement.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I say, say here, that uh\u2014 but, even so, it would seem\u2014 but even so, it would seem\u2014 however, or however, however, it would seem that any person with any integrity \u2014<\/p>\n

Conversation continues away from mike.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You can always trip yourself up in strategy. (Pause) Now, I know<\/i> this one don\u2019t uh\u2014 I\u2019ve read through this one. “It\u2019s not our purpose to die, as we breathe deeply the celebration of life. In the reverence and respect for all life, our community here in Guyana and the\u2014” what is it, “in the reverence and respect for all life,” you be careful how they do that (radio interference) “here in Guyana with the six multi-rac\u2014 racial groups living in, in peace?” (Pause) “\u2014desire to build” (unintelligible) “people who come to visit our project, teachers, workers, government officials from all walks of life in Guyana and USA.” (Quiet aside) \u2014and other<\/i> parts of the world. And other<\/i> nations of the world. And many other nations, you know, we\u2019ve had the British\u2014 Say, “and other nations\u2014 too many nations too numerous to mention.” (Pause) “Example of cooperative living” (reads under breath) “with us 35 educators which include (radio interference) “35 educators who happen to be the most outstanding” \u2014 (unintelligible name) tell me \u2014 “the most astand\u2014 outstanding students in Guyana in that, that state, in that region.”<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Hmmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They were picked, they were, they were picked, they were picked, in other words, they were picked uh, to, to bring them here. And they picked this place out because of all they had heard, of the beautiful achievements they\u2019d heard. (Pause) And they didn\u2019t have to give advance notice. We didn\u2019t even know they were coming<\/i>, um, \u2018cause it\u2019s, it\u2019s commonly-known we don\u2019t require<\/i> that. We don\u2019t\u2014 We don\u2019t make any such requirement. (Pause) But, uh, to the, to the, to the people in Guyana. (Pause) (Short laugh) You want to qualify that, because they can use that to, anybody here in Guyana. (Pause) To our fellow Guy\u2014\u00a0yeah, to our fellow Guyanese. (Pause) In the local\u2014 (Pause) and then\u2014 (Pause) and (Pause) And\u2014 it\u2019s com\u2014 it\u2019s complicated, but if you don\u2019t watch it, you open your goddamn door to bring any fucker in you want to.<\/p>\n

Quiet aside.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They dropped in unannounced. They dropped\u2014 who came in unannounced? Who came in unannounced? That\u2019s the safest thing. Just keep it there. That\u2019s right. “Our medical department\u2014” (Reads under breath for several moments).<\/p>\n

Quiet conversation away from mike.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We have exactly 23 minutes (Pause) to the rehearsal time. (Pause) “\u2026living wonderful productive choice in life free from the pitfalls of inner-city environments” (unintelligible) “they hope that people of conscience and good will in the United States will rise up in indignation about the attempts to destroy our community. We\u2019re tired of people\u2026” (Reads under breath) “\u2026as you\u2019ve seen right around you happen in the Bay Area.” There\u2019s other groups than ourselves. (Pause) It\u2019s right after\u2014 it\u2019s right after “Cases brought down.” (Reads under breath) “\u2026in decaying inner cities of America, decaying inner cities of advanced Western civilization” (Reads under breath) “\u2026people come join us and build. And many”\u2014 And say, “Many who were not<\/i> in desperate circumstances c\u2014\u00a0come to join us and build” (Pause) “because,” now this is the thing, “because of the beautiful environment, ideal weather, and uh, the scenic, uh the scenic environment and the challenge<\/i> to serve.” But be sure to put the ideal climate\u2014 (Reads under breath) “The vast majority of our members that would like to live in the United States but who are in Guyana are perfectly free to do<\/i> so.” Yes. (Reads under breath) “\u2026if necessary with our lives.” (Pause) “And obviously, if it was necessary, with our lives. As Patrick Henry said, \u2018Give me liberty or give me death.\u2019”<\/p>\n

Conversation off mike.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, but it\u2019s a fuckin\u2019 strong word.<\/p>\n

Conversation off mike.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s possible. (Pause) The statement of death, though, may be the only thing that gets printed, that\u2019s the only thing that bothers me.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Yeah, yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m uh\u2014 debate this, because I would tend to lean his way.<\/p>\n

Conversation off mike.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Reads under breath)<\/p>\n

Man off mike:<\/b> Chop that off\u2014 “\u2026Jones\u2019 group willing to die.”<\/p>\n

Conversation off mike for several minutes, working on draft wording.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> There ain\u2019t nothing we can do about it anyway, any court case we got now, it\u2019s too late\u2014 (Pause) By your own<\/i> courts. We can give you documented cases or rehabilitated lives, we\u2019ve been studied by local authorities who came from your own\u2014 who were sent here by your own courts<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Conversation off mike.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift, please.<\/p>\n

Conversation off mike.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t know who can read\u2014\u00a0Who is the best reader in your opinion in the place?<\/p>\n

Woman off mike: <\/b>I think we should use somebody who\u2019s used to radio.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Or somebody used to radio.<\/p>\n

Another woman: <\/b>Have to be familiar with this\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Uh, I\u2019m the best, uh, experienced, but no, my voice not \u2014 (Radio interference) You have to take direction from me, every step of the way. They have to be accustomed to me on the radio.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>\u2014 would be different? Carolyn [Moore Layton]?<\/p>\n

Quiet conversation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Lee Ingraham. I think there\u2019s a point.<\/p>\n

Quiet conversation<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, see what he does, see what he does. He\u2019s got a little time, ah, \u2018cause I think it\u2019d be nice, saying, here\u2019s one of our b\u2014<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> I\u2019ll do it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> A black brother, a professor\u2014 It\u2019d be nice<\/i> if a professor did it, eh, Professor [Richard] Tropp. I am Profes\u2014 I\u2019m ah\u2014 (stumbles for words). Well, here, you could be professor. “I am Professor Tropp, teaching here in the school system.” (Pause) That\u2019s good. See\u2014 See how he does with it, see how he does it. Try him. (Pause) [Lee] Ingram is good, but uh, your title would sound impressive. (Pause) All right, I\u2019ll leave you for a moment to your own discussions, but uh, uh, what else is it, what is it, what is it, Comrade [Arlander] Cole, you\u2019re senior and we won\u2019t hold you there.<\/p>\n

Cole: <\/b>I understand you say I was plot to leave you (unintelligible word)?<\/p>\n

Crowd murmurs in reaction<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Did I understand, uh, that you want to discuss with me? After\u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd murmurs.<\/p>\n

Cole: <\/b>Dad, did I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019re a senior. I love you. You\u2014 Why don\u2019t you quit while you\u2019re ahead?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You got no problem. You got no problem. You\u2019re not going anywhere, are you? Are you? You\u2019re not going anywhere, are you, comrade? (more incredulous) You\u2019re not going anywhere, are you?<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> I\u2019m not saying (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, well then what\u2019s every\u2014 what\u2019s the point of you tel\u2014 getting up here talking about that? We\u2019re not talking about that.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd too low.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd too low.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You misunderstood. Thank you. You may be\u2014 That\u2019s fine. (Pause) It isn\u2019t important what you<\/i> understand, it\u2019s what impor\u2014 important what I<\/i> understand. (Pause) Somebody put that in your note, too, to see what you got out of that. (Pause) Okay, you got an eight and a half\u2014 I\u2014 seven and a half hour, or whatever, stupid shit, fuck. Now, what else did you get out of it?<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>Um, I also got uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now I\u2019ll bet you there\u2019d be, uh, 80% of the males who\u2019d stand up who\u2019d have the same goddamn difficulty with you. And a host of the females. I\u2014 I don\u2019t know, it\u2019d be almost neck and neck. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>Um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm.<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>You talked\u2014 you talked about um, how um (Pause) um, time that when you was (unintelligible word) and she had to do this in two hours. I can\u2019t\u2014 (Pause) I can\u2019t remember her name (unintelligible word)\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You can\u2019t remember\u2014<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>I can\u2019t recall her name, uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who?<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>\u2014\u00a0Grace. Where you had\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, I think<\/i> you know about Grace, in that we\u2019ve been over this about 84 times in all these White Nights.<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>Yes, Dad. (Pause) I\u2014 I\u2014 I know of ah\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s the matter?<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd, voice too far away.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who\u2019s doing the talking? (Directing) Security, you will stop this. (Pause) And I have to get more security on the floor, we have two people not enough anyway. I can tell you, it\u2019s not enough. (Pause) People don\u2019t be good because Father\u2019s good. They\u2019re good because of learning. Psychological boxes. (Pause) Oh, shit. Tell me why you were attracted to him, he don\u2019t know, he don\u2019t know what\u2019s going on. (Struggles for words) Whatever got you attracted to him, him in the first place?<\/p>\n

Janice: It\u2019s too (words overrun)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s what I\u2019d do, I\u2019d tell the sister to lose some weight and go after him. You\u2019re a nice looking woman. All you need is just to lose a little weight, and you\u2019ll be just right. I mean, Dr. Schacht might be interested. Maybe. All this shit he\u2019s seen. Maybe.<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>(Stumbles for words) I don\u2019t think\u2014 I\u2019m not worth it, that\u2019s all \u2014 (radio interference)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (radio interference)<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>I mean, I feel that I\u2019m not even worth, you know, having a relationship with Dr. Schacht, I mean, because\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019re not worth of having a relationship with Dr. Schacht?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>I mean, I\u2019m not\u2014 I\u2014 I mean (radio interference) I just feel that I don\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now that\u2014\u00a0Now that\u2019s what\u2019s got you into trouble. Why in the hell would you<\/i> think you\u2019re not worth a relationship? A b\u2014 A black woman, trained from a ba\u2014 a good training, a background, education, culture, a beautiful woman physically? Why would you not feel\u2014 Is this what you women do to yourself?<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>Yes, that\u2019s a lot of women, yes. (voice too soft) They pick, pick, pick at\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You think you\u2019re no good, so you pick some sonofabitch that you don\u2019t think\u2019s worth a shit?<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>Exactly.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Male voice off mike too soft. Mike cuts off for 15 seconds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Wha\u2014\u00a0what\u2014 what was your interest\u2014 Why\u2014 why\u2014 why did you get interested in him? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>In Stanley? (Pause) Um. One reason was\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift, please. (Pause) (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>The main \u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Stretch. (Pause) Wait, honey. (Pause) (Quiet voice) Lord Jesus have mercy. (Pause) You have to go with the radio room, [Gene] Chaikin, when we get started. (Sighs) I dread that like a passion. (Normal voice) Whoever feels confident? You think I feel confident to go in there and handle all that bunch<\/i> of jackals<\/i>?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Murmurs) No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014 those snakes, those white people on that press? It\u2019s when you do a good job, when you don\u2019t feel good about yourself. If you feel good about yourself, you\u2019ll make many errors, and then<\/i> you\u2019ll make errors, when you feel<\/i> no good about yourself. (Pause) The job\u2019s be done<\/i>, I gotta do<\/i> it. (Pause) But what\u2014\u00a0what reason did you get attracted to him for?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>For\u2014\u00a0for this rea\u2014 this reason um, yes, it was about two weeks. Um. First of all, because he was, you know, he was black and he was going to college, make some kind of college out of Oakland and he was, you know, we just\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He was going to college?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>Some kind\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now that\u2019s a shame, man, if he was going to college\u2014<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>I don\u2019t know what kind of college\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s a shame<\/i> if you were going to college and haven\u2019t gotten any more out of the news than you have.<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>I don\u2019t know what kind of college it was, but he was having some kind of economic class\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He was?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>He used to talk a lot about that. I don\u2019t know\u2014 But, I mean, that\u2019s my reason, and I\u2014\u00a0I realize\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What did he talk about? What\u2014 He talked about economics to you?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>Yes. The first two weeks, before I even started going with him\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He talked about economics? What\u2019d he tell you about economics?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>He was talking about um these\u2014\u00a0somebod\u2014\u00a0some people in his class that um, they, you know, was trying\u2014 you know, they was interested in capitalism, I mean, they were believing the capitalist system would work, and all this, and he was saying, that it only (radio interference) was socialism (radio interference)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That the end? That\u2019s as far as that went?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>Yes, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) He got that from the pulpit in San Francisco.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Laughs) Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I repeated that about eight million times.<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>Mmm. (Laughs) It was\u2014 it was some kind of college\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What college did you go to, Stanley?<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>I was going to (unintelligible name) college, junior college.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How many\u2014 How\u2014 How long did you go to it, son?<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>Well, I\u2014 I didn\u2019t go very long with it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Aw, when I said how long, don\u2019t start no bullshit with me. How long? One day? Two days? Three weeks?<\/p>\n

Stanley: <\/b>Um. More or less like, two, two or three weeks.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s what I thought. (Pause) Just cute dumb ass bitches. You are (unintelligible) (Laughs). They lie so easy, they (Laughs). Three week college course, now that\u2019s too, that\u2019s too much. (Pause) You\u2019re pretty, and you\u2019re pretty and you\u2019re smart, but you\u2014 When a man comes along, you\u2014\u00a0(laughs) All your brains go to your vagina, too, I figured it.<\/p>\n

Calls from crowd. General hubbub.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Johnny? Johnny Brown? Jones? That\u2019s why I said (unintelligible) because we got two Johnnies now. Three. I got three Johnnies (Pause) Where\u2019s Johnny Jones? Is he\u2014 is he\u2014 (Pause) Johnny Jones, Sr., please? We\u2019ll all hold it here till he\u2014 Okay now. What in the hell were we talking about?<\/p>\n

Man in crowd: <\/b>Why she was attracted to him. Obviously\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> While a White Night is roaring, we\u2019re talking about three week college course and a two-minute fuck.<\/p>\n

General hubbub.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If you thought you had a sex drive, I\u2019m sure this will take of it, if you\u2019ve been listening tonight.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Scattered laughter. One woman says, Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Listen, I can tell you one thing. This old man likes to fuck, and I wish I could fuck right now, in spite of death. I feel guilty about that. I\u2019d like to get away from this shit. But end of the day<\/i>, anybody that can keep me up five hours for a two-minute fuck, they\u2019d have to\u2014 they\u2019d have to tie me.<\/p>\n

Laughter.<\/p>\n

Tape cuts off for several moments.<\/p>\n

Schacht:<\/b> I want to apologize to Dad because um\u2014 I want to apologize to Dad for letting my, my uh mind get into this frame of m\u2014 just to get into it, and um, I uh\u2014 (Pause) Well, I want\u2014 I just feel I\u2014 I feel guilty<\/i> for taking up this time like this, I feel um\u2014 (Pause) I think if we give\u2014 if we gave Dad more rest, then he could do what he needs to do, he could strategize and do a lot more. And again, I feel guilty standing here and, and uh being partly responsible for this.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>Thank you Dad.<\/p>\n

Tape cuts off for several seconds.<\/p>\n

Unidentifiable voice: <\/b>You know\u2014<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(Heavy breathing, like having finished running) I\u2019ve been in the radio room, but I still been listening, and as far as I\u2019m<\/i> concerned, Larry, um\u2014\u00a0and you know in your particular case, you know, everyone has to deal with their guilt and so forth, but I, I think a, a lot of this guilt is misdirected. I don\u2019t think, you know, um, you, you still have to look at that, where you are, but I don\u2019t think it\u2019s a lot of your problem, I think it\u2019s with uh, with you<\/i>, because I\u2014 I\u2014 I talked to you in Los Angeles, and you had a similar run-in with this big head fool in Los Angeles, and I wanted to kick your ass in San Francisco, and Mother kept me from doing it, because of this same kind of cocky-ass bullshit, could nobody tell you anything, we couldn\u2019t even talk to you nice, you\u2019re a tough-ass guy, but you\u2019re nothing but a poop-butt punk.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>That\u2019s all you are. You know. And\u2014 and\u2014\u00a0but we\u2014 we tried to explain to you what Stanley was, and he talked about\u2014 I\u2014 I heard it, something about going to sch\u2014 school, and he can\u2014 all he knows is nickel-and-dime bullshit. That\u2019s the only economics he knows. (Pause) And\u2014 and\u2014 and you know\u2014\u00a0and for you\u2014 I\u2019m just\u2014\u00a0I\u2019m\u2014 I am really\u2014\u00a0I am really surprised. For you to be so smart, but to act so stupid. And if you can\u2019t\u2014\u00a0if you couldn\u2019t see through his stuff, you know, he\u2014\u00a0talking\u2014 talking that goopygop to you and you still<\/i> fell for it. And you know\u2014 and you only had to be around here just a little bit\u2014 you didn\u2019t have to\u2014 just be around Dad just a little bit to know that, and you still\u2014 you still act like a\u2014 a\u2014\u00a0a weak-kneed, uh, mealy-mouthed little old girl. (Pause) And you\u2014 you\u2014 you won\u2019t\u2014 and he\u2014 he\u2019s not going to grow up. You want<\/i> him to grow up\u2014 if you want<\/i> this, that\u2019s\u2014 that\u2019s\u2014 that\u2019s your business. (Pause) But if you want<\/i> him, you should make something out of him, \u2018cause the only time\u2014 only time brothers are anything is when sisters make something out of them. Uh, and you brothers are a bunch of chumps for not saying it, because you know it\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Low conversation.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>(Cries out) Four minutes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (away from mike) I\u2019ll come back and take it over afterward, I\u2019m not (voice trails off)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> So what do you have to say, I mean you know, it\u2019s\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (away from mike) \u2014 guard down, I want this shit stopped.<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>What\u2014 what I have for to say is that there is no way I can change him, the only person that can change him is Dad, and that it was all my fault all this shit got started. If I wasn\u2019t so um, so weak and so um, stupid-ass, this\u2014 none of this trouble would have started in the first place, when I been\u2014 (Pause) No, I am\u2014 I ju\u2014 I just saying it\u2019s my fault that all this trouble was creat\u2014 was started, because I wasn\u2019t strong enough. I was stupid enough to believe all this shit and thinking I could do something, help him out, and there\u2019s no way that he can grow, \u2018cause I can\u2019t do nothing for him. Only Dad can do it.<\/p>\n

Murmurs in crowd.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> And you know what\u2014\u00a0you know what\u2014 I had an experience yesterday, and um, you know, that puts a lot of burden on Dad, just what you said, because that means that Jim Jones can\u2019t die now, \u2018cause he has to save the likes of that asshole.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> If you\u2014 if you can understand what I\u2019m saying. You\u2019re saying Dad\u2019s the only one that can change Stanley. I unders\u2014 you know\u2014 what\u2014 think about what you say before you say it, because if you<\/i> do that<\/i> kind of stuff, then he\u2019ll be\u2014 he\u2019ll won\u2019t ever accept his<\/i> responsibility in this.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Because he always\u2014 Stanley always tells us the same old stuff about how he\u2019s going to change, and about, about he really don\u2019t understand, and uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>\u2014 can\u2019t hear.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> He\u2014\u00a0oh, I know he can hear. He\u2014\u00a0he can\u2014 he can hear how to get in somebody\u2019s drawers.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> So I know<\/i> he can hear. (Pause) So what do you got to say, Stanley? And you know, I\u2019m gonna tell you something too, I really don\u2019t appreciate this, \u2018cause Dad talked the other day, and you\u2019re a stupid ass, too, I want to tell you this, too. Dad talked the other day about, don\u2019t put pressure on him. Don\u2019t put pressure on him, and this kind of st\u2014 thing kills him.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> And then, for you to take the liberty to do that, (Pause) you ought to really look at yourself. And for you<\/i>, Stanley, to take\u2014 to take the liberty, you ought to really look at yourself. Dying\u2014\u00a0killing<\/i> you is too good for you, Stanley. (Pause) To kill you would be too good for you (Pause) \u2018cause you wouldn\u2019t have to bear any responsibility or any guilt. And to keep us going, you know I\u2014<\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/p>\n

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