{"id":27510,"date":"2013-06-16T00:20:42","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:20:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27510"},"modified":"2024-07-17T14:39:42","modified_gmt":"2024-07-17T21:39:42","slug":"q638","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27510","title":{"rendered":"Q638 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014it was over with, I\u2019d get it out now, and order some more on the boat. I\u2019m\u2014 (Pause) I\u2019ve played Russian roulette, but I don\u2019t know this shit. How much that liquor cost us? Go ask the accountant how much that liquor cost us.<\/p>\n

Hubbub. Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Cost us a hell of a price. (Pause) The next t\u2014 tell \u2018em to steal<\/i> it. (Pause) Now how do you feel, Dale [Parks]?<\/p>\n

Tape off for few seconds<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Planning Commission. (Pause) Let\u2019s just finish this, that\u2019s what I want. We don\u2019t know where in the hell we are at this point. They do anything to make an 8R1 contact, or they\u2019ve not got that goddamn miserable radio uh, fixed, or are they still hung on 8R3, on WATCJ?<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh. Okay. Well, I\u2014 I\u2014 and that\u2019s obvious, of course. What about settin\u2019 up this other radio? It\u2019s not doing me<\/i> any good. Try to get 8R1. W\u2014 WATCJ to get us on here, at 8R1. Is that possible. Not possible? With two antenna system. I doubt it. But uh, try it anyway.<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t know, you can get (radio breakup) this antenna will pick it up. Twenty meters will pick it up at this hour. Twenty meters will<\/i> pick it up at this hour. (Pause) Wha\u2014<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, okay. Checks\u2014 s\u2014\u00a0check the power. Okay, turn it on.<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ain\u2019t this the shits? Probably the US (short laugh) jamming<\/i>. Normally we can hear USA clear up to two o\u2019clock in the morning, and we can get nothing now. (Pause) Can\u2019t get anybody, either one. Our people<\/i> was here, I wish it would\u2014\u00a0I wish somebody had launched a bomb. So we could go to huntin\u2019. (Snorts, laughs) And fishin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Scattered applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2014 I\u2014 All right, uh, I want that kept on account of he\u2019s out of it, he\u2019s out. (Unintelligible syllable) Okay.<\/p>\n

Voice from crowd too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, Ernestine [Blair].<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>Uh, I would like to say\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> When you people stand up here, you go down, \u2018cause (radio breakup) participation.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>I know you\u2019ve finished with Kenny, but if he can drove\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If I finish with Kenny\u2014\u00a0If I finish with Kenny, I finish with Kenny, Ernestine. Now if you want to talk about her<\/i>, that\u2019s fine. What is it?<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who\u2019s<\/i> tied together?<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, well, oh, let\u2019s hear it then.<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>What I\u2019m saying is\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Let\u2019s hear it, let\u2019s hear it, just don\u2019t\u2014 let\u2019s hear it. What is it?<\/p>\n

Ernestine: <\/b>Uh, it\u2019s a lot of clinging and clicking in that\u2014 the apartment, and it doesn\u2019t help him to grow, if they continue, not only hi\u2014 her, but a lot of the other girls, like the younger girls are clinging to Kenny or hitting him, pulling at him at all the time. Whenever he\u2019s walkin\u2019 along, they\u2019re attackin\u2019 and hittin\u2019 on him. Even after he was confronted\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I find it very amazing that young children, hearing about him molesting children, would be playing with him. I think that\u2019s very cruel<\/i>, and they\u2019re all too intelligent to know\u2014 they were too intelligent. They know better than that. \u2018Cause he\u2019s a wonderful worker. And we know\u2014 that\u2019s the wonderful thing about a socialist society. If you\u2019re a child molester, we don\u2019t isolate you, we just say, you\u2019ve got a sickness in a certain area. We recognize you\u2019re good\u2014 in the United States, you\u2019re done. They lock you up, and put you away forever, you got a little\u2014 If you get\u2014 If you are a child molester, and once even get picked up on that matter, or even the homosexual, it\u2019s on your record, you have to report\u2014 is it every month? Chaikin, what is it? Have to report, ah, every year? Every monthly. Every<\/i> month, you\u2019ve got to report. No matter where you go, where you go to shit, what town you visit, you gotta report. If you don\u2019t, you go to jail, as he said.<\/p>\n

Chaikin: <\/b>And you don\u2019t survive in jail, either.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And they don\u2019t<\/i> survive, no. God, no, no, God, no. (Pause) No, God, no. (Pause) No, God, no. One of the reports that came in here, and it was a Mrs. Chamber, her uh, one uh, one of her grandchildren was killed<\/i> in, in a\u2014 in a East Bay jail. Murdered in an East Bay jail.<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They never come out the same, that\u2019s right. Okay, okay, what the hell is it now, we\u2019re\u2014 what\u2019re we dealing with now?<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You girls better\u2014 you better\u2014\u00a0You girls better stay away. Ah, for sic \u2018em. You\u2014 If you go and for sic \u2018em for dog, you\u2014 your ass is uh, going to go on the Learning Crew. Get on there. When you move, when somebody calls you dog and you go sic \u2018em, and he wasn\u2019t directing at you, and you still go after him, you\u2014 you sit down. You go on the Learning Crew.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What? If I\u2019m\u2014 If you disagree with that, I know I\u2019m tired, I got a high blood pressure, and by the way, it\u2019s time to check my blood pressure, that hadn\u2019t even been done\u2014 (Pause) I don\u2019t give a shit.<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ah, that\u2019s good. And try to get it co\u2014 just try to get it, uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Tape cuts off for several seconds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014just cost too. Appeal to somebody, and see if\u2014 And by the way, when you get a hold of Lily, Lily owes me a few, see if Lily will use her goddamn credit card on her daddy. (Pause) Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If anybody mentions what I say in the slip of a moment, your ass\u2019ll be grass too. (Pause) All of you owe me more than a few.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Emphatic) Who are we talking to?<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Young<\/b> Male:<\/b> Dad\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Settin\u2019 here waitin\u2019 on, seein\u2019 what the hell come out of a conference about our doctor.<\/p>\n

Young<\/b> Male:<\/b> Dad, um, I\u2019m sorry, um, from laughin\u2019, when you had said, um, about practicing the points of\u2014 what it was hittin\u2019 him at\u2014 I had told Patty, I\u00a0said, we can practice the point, and I start\u2014 I started laughing, but I\u2019m sorry, because I know that you\u2014 about you giving your life up to Dana [Truss], and I\u2014 what I can say, I\u2019m\u2014 I\u2019m ready to die any minute for, um, for Dana and John, (stumbles over words) what you\u2019re giving all\u2014 your life up for Dana. And I\u2019m ready to die. And I\u2019m sorry from laughing, while you was discussing.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> You been talkin\u2019 all in the service. I\u2019ve talked to you several times, today<\/i>, about it, and all the time, you always got something smart to say, and<\/i> keep talking.<\/p>\n

Young<\/b> Male:<\/b> When you\u2014 Dad, when said that um, you could ask\u2014 you could ask your neighbor next to you or something, that you said if you didn\u2019t understand what Dad said, that\u2019s what I was asking him, and he came around, and I told him.<\/p>\n

General crowd reaction. People tell him to “come on now”<\/p>\n

Young<\/b> Male:<\/b> I\u2019m not lying.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> If you\u2014 if you was so concerned about what Dad was doing, you keep your mouth shut and you listen, because (unintelligible name\u2014 Cannelle?) is one of the persons that\u2019s in it, that tried to kill Mom, her and James, her\u2014 her\u2014 I mean, Mother, her and James, is, uh, was one of the main people that was in this shit. So you need to keep your mouth sh\u2014 quiet and listen.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ain\u2019t saying\u2014 not that I taking you any of\u2014 any of you up on it. It\u2019s amazing, Mother, who has offered to go back and take care of these sonsabitches, she said I\u2019m 51 and\u2014 it\u2019s just amazing that, after I made that statement, there hasn\u2019t been one<\/i> person sent up a message.<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t doubt it, I don\u2019t doubt\u2014 I\u2019m not saying some of you didn\u2019t, but I\u2019m just saying, you know. And it\u2019s not possible for all of you to get up here, but it ought to be\u2014 ought to be a lot of thinking. You know, it\u2019d be, though, somebody like you<\/i> that\u2019s very functional, you\u2014 shit, you\u2019re one of the, you\u2019re one of the few things keep me going<\/i> with your sense of humor and direction. (Pause) The old drag-assed bitch, I\u2019m like thinking\u2014 (unintelligible word) shit, she wouldn\u2019t be able to lift her cane.<\/p>\n

Replies too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hell of a blood pressure, so don\u2019t be fu\u2014 let\u2019s\u2014 let\u2019s don\u2019t fuck now, let\u2019s get\u2014 get on with it. (Pause) And if I lose<\/i> my temper, you can understand it. I got a high<\/i> blood sug\u2014 sugar and these enormous<\/i> headaches, my eyebe\u2014 eyeballs pulse, just like pain, boom boom boom boom. I gotta wait for these pricks\u2014 (angrily) I\u2019d like to kill them, goddamn, if I could just kill<\/i> me some of these pricks that have been bothering you. If I could just get a hold of one of them. That\u2019s all that\u2014\u00a0my blood pressure\u2019d be all right. If I just get hold of one of them. Send somebody<\/i>, when we get our boat, get me one<\/i> of them and bring them back here for a public trial.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And I know\u2014 And I know that much about me. And I know that much about me, and you\u2014 and I\u2019ll tell you\u2014 that\u2019s what I mean, study yourself. And that\u2014 that\u2019s why I compensate and see I don\u2019t have any race, and the first thing I thought was, and don\u2019t make it black. Get me a white one. (Pause) See, that\u2019s how much I know about me.<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I know all my thoughts. You have to know your thoughts. That\u2019s not right, \u2018cause some of the black ones are worse<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Some of the black ones are worse<\/i>, \u2018cause the sonsabitches know<\/i> the problem of what it is. They know what the hell we been fightin\u2019 for. Some white ass, he can\u2019t<\/i> know. He can\u2019t know. How can ol\u2019 Tim Stoen\u2014\u00a0shit, he never had no black child. He didn\u2019t have a black wife. But what I\u2014 what I really<\/i> wanted was to get me a white one. So you see, I study my mind all the time. That\u2019s why I compensate. Nobody can accuse me of being prejudiced on behalf of black people. But I\u2019m prejudiced. (Pause) So all you people, and your black shit, I want you to just cool<\/i> it.<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/b> Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t mean any prejudice against you people here. \u2018Cause I see some of the best one\u2014 I don\u2019t even think<\/i> of you as white. Some of you people go down, you look more nigger to me<\/a> and you\u2019re lights\u2014 light as a (struggles for words) this light. I think of you\u2014 I don\u2019t think of you, but I mean, out there, I\u2014 any \u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t know how anybody can be in Peoples Temple wouldn\u2019t<\/i> be prejudiced.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The goddamn white folk got reason<\/i> to be prejudiced against them back there. Sonsabitches have been doing such murderous acts.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I mean, not just against us, but what they\u2019ve done, the Ku Klux Klan, and then, let\u2019s see, the Nazis and H\u2014 Adolf Hitler. All the murder. We haven\u2019t had no black<\/i> murderer lately. We haven\u2019t had no black leader do these mass murders. Some sonofabitch ha\u2014 like Adolf Hitler, blue-eyed. (Pause) (Lower voice) (Stumbles over words) Blue-eyed, I don\u2019t know whether he blue-eyed or brown-eyed, I don\u2019t give a shit what he is. (Voice rises again) Anyway, I tell you my thoughts. I know my thoughts. Every time I say something, I know what the hell\u2019s a\u2014 behind my thoughts. That\u2019s what I\u2019m trying to train you people to do<\/i>. (Pause) Now a lot of you wouldn\u2019t be so goddamn openly bigoted<\/i> if you\u2019d face your thoughts. You\u2019d compensate<\/i> for it. That\u2019s why some of you are so goddamn hostile, \u2018cause you don\u2019t know<\/i> your goddamn thoughts. That\u2019s why you treat white people bad, that\u2019re here\u2014 anybody treatin\u2019 white people bad here ought to have their ass<\/i> kicked.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. (Pause) Now I don\u2019t see color here. Socialism. And I wouldn\u2019t<\/i> see it. I wouldn\u2019t be prejudiced at all<\/i>, if there wasn\u2019t a racist USA. It\u2019d all be gone<\/i>. But most of goddamn surly bastards gathered on that mountain<\/i> of (unintelligible word) our steps, the one that got the highest<\/i> on the steps<\/i> was the white<\/i> bastards and bitches. Like to get me those Mertles. I\u2019d like to get her. I know what\u2014 white, green, or polka-dot, I\u2019d like to have her, \u2018cause, shit, it ain\u2019t got nothing to do with race, I\u2019d like to have her. She started this shit. She started the whole orchestration of it. (Pause) And you see, I gotta be objective. I\u2019d like to get Grace<\/i>, \u2018cause Grace has put me through more personal<\/i> pain. But the real<\/i> conniving bitch that I\u2019d like to get, and have delivered<\/i> here, from a revolutionary standpoint, is her<\/i>, and put her out in the fuckin\u2019 sun, and let the birds pick on her for about a week.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And see, you gotta learn, to not let vengeance\u2014 (Radio interference) and I got blood pressure, well, I don\u2019t know whatever the hell it is, 170 over 130. I got blood pressure way up<\/i> there. That\u2019s high. You say, well, 170\u2019s not\u2014 (Struggles for words) It\u2019s the low<\/i> one that\u2019s dangerous. When it\u2019s over 130, as Dr. Schacht\u2014 (Radio interference). There\u2019s a transistor, or there\u2014 there\u2019s something that isn\u2019t\u2014 the P.A. system\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s not them, they got to do what they got to do. Seems like they\u2019re coming through there louder, or they\u2019re not?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He said, every time you go over 130, I can\u2019t take no chance\u2014\u00a0he said, your\u2014 your chance of it stroke\u2014\u00a0your chance at a stroke. If I went over there and sat in that radio room, I\u2019d be chancing one, too, \u2018cause I\u2019d still know the problems are there. (Pause) Anything won\u2019t make me sleepy, you got any blood pressure medicine that won\u2019t make me sleepy? (Pause) \u2018Cause I\u2014\u00a0I\u2014 I can\u2019t afford<\/i> to be sleepy tonight, till this thing\u2019s over. I haven\u2019t had any sleep for so fuckin\u2019<\/i> many days, they never let me pick<\/i> these White Nights. That\u2019s what annoys me. Every time<\/i> they pick a goddamn White Night, our enemies, I\u2019ve never had any sleep. What the hell\u2019s the matter with you? Think I wou\u2014\u00a0If I was going to have a White Night, I\u2019d be sure I got a whole goddamn day\u2019s rest, and didn\u2019t have 35 sonsabitches come through to, ah, there\u2019s where you have to be on the top of your toes. By the way, never put me in a position to speak. Always announce me, to say, uh, my Dad\u2019s here, he\u2019ll answer some questions. \u2018Cause I don\u2019t do<\/i> well. \u2018Cause uh\u2014 a person with no ego has got nothing to say. You throw me in a zero right there. You throw a zero and odd\u2014 and, and nothing to say, when Marceline said that to me, whoever, I don\u2019t remember, but don\u2019t ever throw me in that position. Say, here is Jim, he can answer some questions and please<\/i> give him some questions<\/i>. You give me questions and I can answer them, because I got principle<\/i> in me. But you throw my ass up to speak<\/i>, hmm-mmm. Always put me in that position, if I\u2019m in anyplace. They want me to come in, and g\u2014 that man today said, you spoke so eloquently. [Hamilton] Green, said, I want you in to speak in Port Kaituma, or you\u2019re going to have to see, if it\u2019s a question-and-answer situation. It\u2019s dangerous<\/i>, \u2018cause\u2014 hell, it\u2019s very<\/i> dangerous, to be answering questions. Huh? Huh?<\/p>\n

Reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2014 I thought you did, but I\u2019m just saying, don\u2019t do it. So you can know<\/i> me. Don\u2019t<\/i> do it. \u2018Cause I got nothing to say. And a person without ego has nothing to say, plus<\/i> I got knowledge. It don\u2019t do a fuckin\u2019 good bit of good to say it. But at least if somebody ask the question, you think, maybe there\u2019s a hope. (Pause) How many understood that? You better\u2014 better. \u2018Cause you\u2019re going to be tested on that. Socialist class, they better<\/i> get to learn Jim Jones. They\u2019re trying to learn the\u2014 the dialectic and the triangle of\u2014\u00a0of the\u2014 the contradictions, so forth, and uh, Hegel\u2019s\u2014 Hegel\u2019s dialectic concept, and the thesis and the, the antithesis and the synthesis and so forth, all that shit. You better\u2014 you better, better get them to know Jim Jones. Then maybe they might<\/i> get to know socialism. I think we got\u2014 we got the goddamn cart before the horse.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift. (Pause) Know how I think. Then you\u2019ll automatically be a socialist. (Pause) Now what would you<\/i> have done? What would you have done, if someone done you what Grace Stoen has, bit your penis half off and your damn nose half off. You\u2019da wa\u2014\u00a0you\u2019da picked her<\/i>, wouldn\u2019t you? Or Tim Stoen, when you had to be up his dirty ass, white ass, and put up with his shit, his pompous WASP shit. I\u2019ve always hated his pompous WASP shit. While some of the Jews and blacks were laying around in corners, his white ass never<\/i> was. (Pause) But<\/i>, what does principle<\/i> say? Who was the meanest<\/i>? Who was the most wicked? Who was the most devious? Who organized it? (Pause) Who was the most evil that she said she enjoyed sex when she thought of children being tortured<\/i>. Mrs. Mertle. So she\u2019s on the priority<\/i> list. I\u2019d like to get her. See, vengeance is not the rule of law of a communist. Principle is. (Pause) Now you\u2014 some of you, not all of you, but some of you, the person you\u2019d go after is the one that hurt you personally most. (Pause) And you have to weigh that, (unintelligible phrase\u2014 sounds like “I may be under my pressure”), and not be weighing it. Who\u2019s done us the most physical damage? (Pause) Stoen. (Pause) Who knows more? Timothy Stoen. So you have to rationalize through that, and I\u2019d do\u2014 I\u2019d like a lot<\/i> to rationalize through that, in this, uh, paper that you write of what went on tonight, and in the classes that hadn\u2019t come up to any conclusion, who<\/i> is it that deserves to meet revolutionary justice, first? (Pause) No, not tonight, don\u2019t make quick answers. (Pause) Can\u2019t do it. When you gonna be honest, you can\u2019t make quick<\/i> decisions. Sometimes emergency will force<\/i> you to it, but you\u2014 you don\u2019t want to be\u2014 you want to be careful you\u2019re not making quick decisions. You gotta think<\/i> them through. I want all of you to be thinkers. Some can\u2019t. The system\u2019s hurt you bad. As Mother said, some of the old\u2014 old-timers, they really don\u2019t know when they\u2019re difficult about certain things, uh, athero-sclerosis, the hardening of the arteries. (Pause) Some of them, they\u2019re good people, they\u2019re proud, and they\u2019ve never been accustomed to admitting that they\u2019re failing. Like one sister took, uh, tried to take something the other day, she didn\u2019t even know\u2014 she didn\u2019t even remember she did it. (Pause) \u2018Cause that\u2019s the part of it. When a person\u2019s old and uh, senile and forgetful and the brain\u2019s beginning to damage, if they\u2019ve been a fairly intelligent, upright p\u2014 uh, posture, nice, uh, intellectual, they\u2019ll tend to\u2014 they\u2019ll keep that pattern. (Pause) Hmm?<\/p>\n

Responses from crowd unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And they can make an honest mistake, and I know some of you shitheads, but more shitheads about this sugar and all that shit, you ain\u2019t old<\/i> enough to be senile. You just old enough to be mean<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Man speaks too low off mike.<\/p>\n

Tape off for undetermined time, 30 seconds of real time.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014 it\u2019s a stimulate, and I\u2014<\/p>\n

Tape off for undetermined time, 10 seconds of real time.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014 any time that\u2014 it\u2019s all right\u2014 there\u2019re no\u2014 ain\u2019t not no secrets here. Everybody knows I\u2019ve got (Pause) certain problems, I\u2019ve had \u2018em for a long time, don\u2019t count on me dying tonight. (Sighs) Unless we all<\/i> do.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. (Pause) All right. All right. (Pause) Now what\u2019s her work, what\u2019s her work habits, she shouldn\u2019t be pawing all over these (unintelligible name), that\u2019s true generally, but what\u2019s her work habits?<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>Dad, she\u2019s a good worker.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No trou\u2014 no trouble. Off. I don\u2019t want a war with my children tonight. (Pause) My workers are what\u2019s going to save the day, but don\u2019t paw on him no more. You make these men\u2014 you do\u2014 get them in their damn headiness. (Voice sharpens) You realize, don\u2019t you, that m\u2014 women are more intelligent than men, do you realize that? That\u2019s a natural fact. Their IQ is higher. Their genetic code\u2014 They live longer. Your body is stronger. You live<\/i> longer. So why in the hell don\u2019t\u2014 to whom much is given, much is required. Why don\u2019t you use that genius and quit acting like some stupid ass, simple-minded alley cat that can\u2019t even keep her ass<\/i> in gear.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Pause. Furniture moved. Mike moved. General crowd noise. Tape then off for undetermined time.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (sounds tired) \u2014we have some people who are written up like Selika [Bordenave] and uh, Wanda and Don\u2019s and others, and so forth, I don\u2019t want to go into all those, though. Uh, younger and older.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice sharpens) Now don\u2019t be telling me “No shit” about tho\u2014 don\u2019t give no names, I just made that mistake. Take a word from me when I\u2019ve said it, sometimes I get tired and forget, too. (Pause) I just eliminated two of them, right then. (Pause) You understand that, didn\u2019t you? You understand that? You guys got\u2014 don\u2019t hesitate to come up and say, Father, get me the ear, get me by the ear. Father don\u2019t have any ego, he don\u2019t mind, just don\u2019t publicly<\/i> embarrass him. But honey, I didn\u2019t mention a lot of them. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Radio interference for several seconds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, now what about her<\/i> work habits? (Pause) Work, work, is what I\u2019m interested in. Work. What about her work habits?<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>Dad, her work is slow\u2014<\/p>\n

Radio interference for several seconds.<\/p>\n

Another woman in crowd: <\/b>(fades in) \u2014every time she comes late.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> (Unintelligible word) Medical department had given me\u2014<\/p>\n

Girl at mike: <\/b>Um, Dad, that\u2014<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> \u2014answer another question. I want to know who gave\u2014 I want to know where the medical department is that\u2019s giving these medical excuses.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You got one of the hardest working mothers in the goddamn place, whose\u2014<\/p>\n

Radio interference breaks up conversation for several seconds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She\u2019s one person I can look at with white and think a nigger easy. But you\u2014 you\u2014 now that\u2019s what you\u2014 you hurt<\/i> all of us who are light-skinned. You\u2014<\/p>\n

Radio interference.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> Have you been\u2014 have you been giving medical excuses for a reason to be late?<\/p>\n

Lee Ingram: <\/b>Where you been?<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> I\u2014 I haven\u2019t got \u2018em\u2014 I haven\u2019t been\u2014 that was my last one a couple of weeks, so I haven\u2019t got \u2018em ever since then.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Are you in a relationship?<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, hell. What\u2019s your excuse<\/i>? That\u2019s usually the first<\/i> excuse. Hunting for one?<\/p>\n

Girl: <\/b>No, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mmmmm.<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> Uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Lee Ingram: <\/b>(Angry) You better not lie.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>Why are you laughing, Dad?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t want to\u2014 you\u2019d be the first one up here tonight. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>\u2014 not hunting, do you want one, (unintelligible name)? Do you want one?<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> Um\u2014<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> No, I don\u2019t like nobody now, right now, I don\u2019t like nobody.<\/p>\n

Lee Ingram: <\/b>That\u2019s not the question.<\/p>\n

Male voice:<\/b> Do you want one, (unintelligible name)<\/p>\n

Another male: <\/b>Do you want<\/i> one?<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Lee Ingram: <\/b>What\u2019s the next one, we already got this answered, what\u2019s the next one? Hmm?<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Let her answer<\/i> it.<\/p>\n

Lee Ingram: <\/b>Okay<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>If you don\u2019t mind<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>No, no.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Answer it. Hurry up.<\/p>\n

Radio interference for 15 seconds.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>The question is, does she work better since she had her warning? Or is she still working slow (unintelligible word)?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He thinks I should have brandy. We got some of that brandy someplace, (stumbles over words) we got any goddamn brandy? Joyce, do you know where in the hell it is? Uh, my blood pressure\u2019s up and I don\u2019t want to take these fuckin\u2019 pills. They\u2019re too costly. You can buy brandy. I can get all the brandy I need. That\u2019s a part of you\u2014 If we have a l\u2014 If we have a White Night less, I want to tell you, honey, we got some shit that you gone be drunk<\/i> on your last night.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter. Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Part of it\u2019s\u2014 Part of it\u2019s sleeping potion, the rest is is drunk.<\/p>\n

General crowd noise.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Start it with a (unintelligible word) ounce. I hate this shit. I\u2019m not trying to justify it any, but I just thought you\u2019d like to know. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>You shouldn\u2019t have<\/i> to justify anything.<\/p>\n

Several voices: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019d think not. Nobody\u2019s seen me going around here drunk. (Laughs) (Pause) I have been tempted<\/i>. (Laughs) Not\u2014 because I don\u2019t like this stuff, but I sure<\/i> would like to quit feeling<\/i> for a moment. Just for a moment. Just for a moment. But I love you too much to quit feeling for you in a second. That\u2019s why I don\u2019t want to be\u2014<\/p>\n

Radio interference for 90 seconds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014thyroid condition, she keeps on going, so if she didn\u2019t\u2014 I don\u2019t know what the hell I\u2019d do with these fucking letters. These sonsabitches want to fight over the goddamn letter, (goes into nasty mimicry) they want to write this, they want to write that, they don\u2019t want to do what they\u2019re told. (Pause) (Normal voice) What is this? Who\u2014 what ex\u2014 example you got of, of a hypochondriac? Who you got of example of being uh, playing sick?<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> Nobody, Dad. Nobody in my family, and they\u2019re not\u2014 I only\u2014 (struggles for words) one time I did lie, because um, I didn\u2019t want to go to work because uh, of Yvonne [Morrison?].<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, shit, now what about Yvonne?<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> Because Yvonne\u2014 it\u2019s nothing, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yvonne. The woman that just now talked to you?<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> She my supervis\u2014 uh, she\u2019s my supervior. When I, unh\u2014 Okay. Me and Melanie Breidenbach\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah but\u2014 yeah but you\u2019ve always had some excuse, honey.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What was your excuse before that one?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Let\u2019s hear it (fades out)<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> I don\u2019t have one\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I remember this, I\u2014 we\u2014\u00a0we been through this pattern before, sweetie. (Pause) Everybody could find some reason not to go to work. I could, before I got outta the damn door<\/i>. Or lifted up the phone.<\/p>\n

Male voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> I don\u2019t have\u2014<\/p>\n

Radio interference for 30 seconds.<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> Yvonne, um. Okay, he\u2019s involved, good friends and everything, then. Um, she\u2014 they was (unintelligible word) and then Melanie got kicked off. I don\u2019t know how come.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019ll tell you one thing, a parent. They always watch, and I\u2019d say that uh, lovingly to Rita who\u2019s one of my favorites. Don\u2019t ever ask that question from the parent. What\u2019s your problem? Don\u2019t ever show it. Because children will manipulate you around (Radio interference for two seconds) \u2014parents, and I\u2019m sure you\u2019re<\/i> not doing it, \u2018cause you have very little time for children<\/i>, as I see, but they\u2019ll do\u2014 they\u2019ll keep<\/i> them, they\u2019ll keep them weak like that, but what they\u2019re really doing is destroying children, because the children will continue to um, come to you for problems, only<\/i> use you. The moment they don\u2019t need you\u2014<\/p>\n

Radio interference.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014saying? A whole lot of you don\u2019t. And if any case further does this, we\u2019re going to have to bring you<\/i> up for discipline. (Pause) Because you<\/i> are retarding the growth<\/i> of your child. (Radio interference) You know who I\u2019m talking about. (Pause) You\u2019re holding on<\/i> to the child, so that you\u2019ll have something. That\u2019s cruel. That\u2019s not<\/i> love. (Pause) That\u2019s selfish<\/i>, to hold on to a child, \u2018cause you want\u2014 (Radio interference) (Pause) Do you hear me\u2014 And that\u2019s something else I want taught in the classes. It\u2019s a very great problem around here. (Pause) Don\u2019t ever<\/i> se\u2014 I don\u2019t care if it\u2019s you\u2014 (Radio interference) \u2014love, pat \u2018em on the back, tell \u2018em how much you love \u2018em, but whup whup, they don\u2019t start that stuff, organization is (Radio interference). If you don\u2019t, you are being guilty of selfish, possessive love, and it isn\u2019t worthy of love. Selfish possessiveness. And you\u2019re retarding<\/i>, you\u2019re holding back<\/i> your child, or whoever you\u2019re calling your child, or whoever you\u2019ve adopted as your child\u2014 (Pause) Keep this in mind\u2014<\/p>\n

End of Side 1.<\/p>\n

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Side 2:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (tape cuts in)\u2014 years, we\u2019ve had a lot of youth and<\/i> seniors \u2014 not many, not a lot, no, that\u2019s not fair, very few \u2014 other\u2014 other time when we thought we were going to have to take poison, we\u2019re prepared to it, I mean, heh\u2014 there wasn\u2019t uh, I don\u2019t think one<\/i> person acted up, did they? Or two? Maybe two?<\/p>\n

Crowd responses unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, that\u2019s how close we came, darlings. So we been through it. We\u2019re accustomed to it. Say, I can\u2019t stand it. Well then, you ought<\/i> to stand it.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Some of us say, don\u2019t need it, are the ones that ought to be able to say, we can\u2019t stand it. But we stand<\/i> it. (Stumbles over words) I don\u2019t need to test my faculty to die. When they told me today that the goddamn attorney general was on my case, I said, oh well, shit. I went ahead, in five minutes, I gave five minutes to this young woman. (Pause) Janice. I gave five<\/i> minutes to talk to her. They walked up and said (snaps fingers) attorney general\u2019s on you, is on the case now. He\u2019s\u2014 he\u2014 he\u2014 he\u2019s\u2014 he\u2019s going to try to do something to get these kids back. I said, oh, shit. I knew it was all (unintelligible word\u2014\u00a0over?). Attorney General starts this shit. Governments can\u2019t stand up to attorney generals in the United States. That means the whole U.S. government\u2019s after our ass. (Pause) So all we gotta do is back the attorney general off. And there are ways<\/i>. (Pause) (Dramatically) Oh yes, there are ways, if we can win one, there was nobody in here and<\/i> in the United States, our friend, everybody wanting us killed, and we fought them off with guns. There\u2019s ways, darling, (emphatic enunciatiuon) there are ways.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I still<\/i> believe out of the barrel of the gun. I hope Cleve Swinney\u2019s\u2014\u00a0well, I hope you guys are working that\u2014 now you people I waste no shit on this time (stumbles over words) these White Night\u2014 if we get through this<\/i> one, by God, there\u2019s gone\u2014\u00a0one<\/i> of them come we\u2019re not going get through<\/i>, and we better uh, be prepared\u2014 when I say, not get through, talk will stop<\/i>. And the only thing we\u2019re going to be able to use is a force of arms. (Pause) That\u2019s what we had that<\/i> night. That\u2019s what the hell we had when they drove their vehicles up behind us. They can get more severe. Coming, darting in out of the goddamn woods. Shooting at you. (Pause) Yes yes yes.<\/p>\n

Jack (Beam?): <\/b>I\u2019d say that\u2019s quite an honor to have the US government on our ass.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, I think that\u2019s (hiccup) well said, Jack. Good old college man, made his money in chemistry, if he wanted to do as a chemist. That\u2019s quite an honor to have the whole fuckin\u2019 government on our back. I think so\u2014\u00a0I\u2019d say so too. (Emphatic) Makes me know we\u2019re doing what\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift. Shift. (Pause) How much coffee do you have?<\/p>\n

Response unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You know<\/i> I\u2019m thinking it\u2019s a serious time in human events when I\u2019m talking about coffee. \u2018Cause it costs about six, seven dollars a pound. On the world market today, coffee\u2019s bad. (Pause) Yet methinks I\u2019ll come through with the attorney general, methinks I\u2019ll come through wi\u2014 this shit somehow. Some point, some point<\/i> in time, though, you gotta be prepared to put all\u2014 put your a\u2014\u00a0your all<\/i> on the line.<\/p>\n

Scattered: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That don\u2019t mean I think it\u2019s gonna be coming out from some astral plane, either. It\u2019ll come from our own ingenuity, that primarily flows from me, unfortunately, lot of the creative shit. What\u2019s up?<\/p>\n

Tape turned off for several moments.<\/p>\n

Male voice:<\/b> Have we cleared the authorities?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that? (Stumbles over words) What else have we got here? You better get the ass to work now. \u2018Cause you got one warning. And I want to see the\u2014 the work to\u2014 crew, crew to get it\u2014 What is it, Ruby?<\/p>\n

Ruby: <\/b>I just want to say, if\u2014 if she keep the eleven o\u2019clock curfew, we wouldn\u2019t have\u2014 you know, if either Annie or I gets her up in the morning, and we have our time waking her up. And if we think we waking her up, and then she doesn\u2019t get up then when we leave, or if I go to the bathroom, she crawls back in and goes back to sleep.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> (fades in) for not keeping eleven o\u2019clock curfew. (fades out, then back in) Is she still doing it? I think she should have another warning, right now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What is today? This Wednesday? Is this Tuesday, Wednesday? What the shit day is it? Wednesday.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> She\u00a0asked her a question (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> Um, she\u2014 she\u2019s talking about\u2014 I\u2014 I was at the movie and I stayed up at the movie. I didn\u2019t (unintelligible). I did it twice (JJ speaks over her)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Explain why, (unintelligible name), explain why to all those they interviewed while they were holding it off till (unintelligible) \u2014 \u2018cause we have radio contact, (Stumbles over words) we can\u2019t conduct the interview, we haven\u2019t got enough people there, so then tell them why it has to be tomor\u2014\u00a0the uh, set-up, to the uh, time it does<\/i>, because ah, we want our attorney<\/i> present there. I don\u2019t trust those pricks. (Pause) Ol\u2019 [Temple attorney Charles] Garry did come through and said he\u2019d put his reputation on the character of our work here. You wouldn\u2019t believe what those sonsabitches said. You wouldn\u2019t believe. (Pause) (Incredulous) You wouldn\u2019t believe. They got us running around here in balls and chains. (Pause) No, you wouldn\u2019t believe\u2014 fenced sentinels, with machine guns (Stumbles over words) I\u2019m glad for that, though. I\u2019m glad they\u2019re telling that<\/i> kind of shit. I\u2019m a really\u2014 I really am. Keep telling it, so they come in here with bombers. Then they\u2019d be at least, by God, they\u2019d come (laughs) they\u2019d be (unintelligible). (Pause) All kinds of shit, you wouldn\u2019t believe. (Pause) Now I\u2019m gonna tell you something too. Yulanda Crawford, making a statement I tried to fuck her. Uh, listen, I\u2019m gonna tell you, I\u2019m gonna tell you. I never even thought<\/i> about fucking her, \u2018cause I knew she was too stupid<\/i> to be of any real damage to us, and she sure<\/i> would never make anything worthwhile, so I never even got near her. And these\u2014\u00a0all these people claim I fucked \u2018em. They\u2019re sure big lies, \u2018cause I sure didn\u2019t do it. The right ones haven\u2019t talked yet. Grace sh\u2014\u00a0Grace denies I fucked her, and she got pregnant by immaculate conception. (Pause) Sure does, all the headlines there, they all died, uh, denied. Never had a fuck from me. And some be\u2014 some folk there witnessed it and put the foam in, and put the goddamn diaphragm on and saw she took the pill, and she still<\/i> got pregnant, (Unpleasant tone) the simple bitch. Which is which? Okay. (Pause) People lie<\/i>, and the press pick it up. Anybody look at my John, and know\u2014 who in the hell reads this shit? (Pause) She t\u2014 What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> (voice fades in) I see in every one of them, and every one of them, well, he certainly looks more like Jim Jones than he does Tim Stoen.<\/p>\n

Audience hubbub.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m glad he don\u2019t look like Tim Stoen. That\u2019d be a fuckin\u2019 curse. Even when I thought he was somewhat decent<\/i>, I thought he looked like shit. (Pause) \u2018Course, that\u2019s again my subjective feelings. What\u2019re we talking about now? What\u2019s the problem? We\u2019ll wait\u2014 we have to wait\u2014\u00a0we have to wait for contact. We have to get through to a patch, we gotta find a patch on Richard\u2019s (unintelligible) tonight. \u2018Cause I\u2014 I\u2014 I\u2014 I gotta find out what in the hell, what\u2019s uh, transpired with my demands, this doctor\u2019s not going out of here. Attorney General, you got some days<\/i> between you, maybe, and whatever in the hell they\u2019d<\/i> do, if I don\u2019t stop block that,<\/i> or whatever in the hell any Congressman want to do, or any other shit. We ain\u2019t got no days about some of this shit. I want to find out about \u2018em. Piss<\/i> on \u2018em. (Pause) I don\u2019t give a fuck if we never get licensed, but the\u2014 ou\u2014 our doctor\u2019s not going<\/i> anywhere.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Male talks low to Jim.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How much is<\/i> this?<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>That\u2019s uh\u2014 that looks like a\u2014 that\u2019s a lot (radio breakup of tape)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. Shit, (Stumbles over words) I mean, you get me drunk.<\/p>\n

Laughter.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> (unintelligible) call him, and get him on stateside. (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s the matter. They can\u2014 Can\u2019t they switch around and find anybody, Cali, Colombia or anybody that could phone patch him? They ought to look around to that band, there are a lot of Spanish-speaking people who speak English. Try it. Try it. Miami has a slightly lesser\u2014 uh, East Coast has slight lesser (unintelligible word\u2014 bill?). (Pause) Shit, I could drink that glass, wouldn\u2019t get drunk. Don\u2019t worry about it. (Pause) No such luck. (Pause) What is it?<\/p>\n

Voices too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hold it, how long she going to be\u2014 how long she be on\u2014\u00a0she ought to be back by now? Has Patty got back yet? Yeah\u2014 Patty\u2019s\u2014\u00a0Is Patty coming in?<\/p>\n

Woman\u2019s voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Is Patty coming (breaks off in laughter)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) You\u2014 you\u2014 it\u2019s\u2014 it\u2019s\u2014 it\u2019s not funny, but, poor Patty, every<\/i> time she comes home, there\u2019s a White Night\u2014 (unintelligible as he laughs) I can hear Patty say. You gotta have her talk. If we make it, you gotta hear\u2014 one<\/i> night, you gotta have her talk on White Nights.<\/p>\n

Woman\u2019s voice in crowd unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Helen, do that, if she gets in. Helen, Helen. Helen. Might as laugh while we\u2019re dying. Helen, where\u2014 where\u2019s Helen at? (Pause) Helen, get uh\u2014 be sure and set by\u2014 (laughs) and she said every night, (mimicry of Patty) “Every<\/i> time I come in, it\u2019s a White Night. And who\u2019d I set by but Helen Snell.” (Laughs) Helen, you got a better sense of humor. You\u2019re growing. That\u2019s cute. Be sure, Helen, you get up and set down by her. That\u2019ll, that, that\u2014 that\u2019ll be funny.<\/p>\n

General hubbub.<\/p>\n

Tape goes off for several seconds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Umm-hmm. (Pause) I get\u2014 (Pause) If I get Charlie [Touchette] off, you could get your\u2014 off your feet, Charlie, you\u2019re about to have another stroke. Go ahead. (Pause) (Sounds tired) Let\u2019s go on. (Unintelligible name\u2014 Bull?) what do you want to say here, I told you the warning, what else is there?<\/p>\n

Young male: <\/b>See, um, Ruby brought up that I ain\u2019t been coming home at uh, eleven o\u2019clock \u2018cause um, when they have movies\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, shit, woman, why do we let her get by<\/i> with all this shit to m\u2014 midnight to Sunday. Uh, uh, it\u2019s not required by Rita [Tupper]. It\u2019s not required by my son, Tim. (Stumbles over words) She not special privilege. What do you wait with all this shit comes up till a White Night?<\/p>\n

Another male: <\/b>We\u2019ve been handling it, Dad, and I talked to Joyce and wrote it up, and we\u2019ve been trying to handle in on our own counseling, Janet\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, there<\/i> ain\u2019t no handling on it, it\u2019s Learning<\/i> when people come\u2014 it\u2019s warning<\/i> when they come in l\u2014 ah\u2014 at that hour.<\/p>\n

Jack: <\/b>No excuses. No excuses.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She gone get pregnant. Some of these kids out there, they don\u2019t know. Some of these fools will even rape \u2018em when they\u2019re not willing.<\/p>\n

Jack: <\/b>That\u2019s right<\/i>, Jenny?<\/p>\n

Female: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> You only like toucans, right?<\/p>\n

Female: <\/b>No, um, just\u2014 no, she talking\u2014\u00a0I, I\u2019m come home, I\u2014 even when they have a movie, I stay here or else I\u2019m talking to Mary.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Female: <\/b>\u2018Cause when she went to Georgetown, I stayed\u2014 I\u2014 I\u2014 um, I\u2014 when I went to bed, I got back up and I just\u2014 uh, I went to the bathroom and stayed up with Mary and talked to her.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. Okay.<\/p>\n

Another female: <\/b>She did more than that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Take that blood pressure now, take that\u2014<\/p>\n

Second female: <\/b>When she went to Georgetown\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I think it\u2019ll have an effect. I think it\u2019ll have an effect. (Pause) Think it\u2019ll be down. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>When you\u2019re on the floor, let\u2019s not hold up\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What is it, what is it, what is it, what is it? Shift.<\/p>\n

Second female: <\/b>Well, she had uh, I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift. The last few minutes of this conversation, here (pause)<\/p>\n

Second female: <\/b>I came home\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We have to uh, put people into sleep under dormitory conditions, when we\u2019re not under military attack. When we\u2019re under military attack, like we were on one six-day, seven nights, that\u2019s another thing. But whether anything\u2019s settled\u2014 maybe there\u2019ll be some good news<\/i>. I don\u2019t know. But, um (pause) I mean, I can feel<\/i>, but I don\u2019t\u2014 I don\u2019t know absolutely<\/i>. But we have to uh, go to sleep under military conditions<\/i>. If we\u2019re attacked<\/i> by military, then we stay right out on the front line, like we did for s\u2014 what was it, seven days and six nights.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

And whatever number nights we stayed on the front line, goddamn it, we didn\u2019t sleep, we didn\u2019t shower, we didn\u2019t do shit<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And nobody got pneumonia either.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So it\u2019s all in your damn head. You can stand up there. If you really care about freedom. Say, (goes into mimicry) we\u2019re going die, I can\u2019t stand this. (Normal tone) Well, Cuba<\/i> stood it for ten years, and they won. (Pause) I\u2019m asking\u2014\u00a0I\u2019ve gotta meet with the Soviet Union, I want to know what the Soviet, well, well, we\u2019ll check on that. I\u2019m talking to Soviet Union. I always look for every chance for life. For you<\/i>. I don\u2019t give a shit<\/i>. But I\u2019ve asked the Soviet Union, any guarantees we can have to get out of here, if worse came to worse, this goddamn government was taken over. We ordered the bi\u2014 boo\u2014\u00a0I ordered that boat to be bought today, didn\u2019t I? I\u2014 I ordered<\/i> it, I hope it got transmitted. Will you check? That 350-ton? \u2018Cause that sonofabitch would sail us all<\/i> down the river.<\/p>\n

Voices of reply too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, I know, but I told him, if he would sign the fucker, we wouldn\u2019t show it.<\/p>\n

Scattered applause.<\/p>\n

Man talks too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, shit.<\/p>\n

Man\u2019s voice: <\/b>\u2014\u00a0transaction would be approved<\/i> by (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2014 I\u2014 I want him to tell us, and I\u2019m going to take my chances.<\/p>\n

Man talks too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s all. (Pause) No, I\u2014 I understood it. Uh, if he says it, then I\u2019ll say, well, shit, we didn\u2019t know. Then let him\u2014\u00a0let him say oh, you want to arrest us, oh, come on out and arrest us. We\u2019re all here, all thousand of us. Try to arrest us. See if you got big enough paddy wagon.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I want that fuckin\u2019 boat bought. I think it\u2019s worth a chance. I think it\u2019s worth a chance, don\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If he\u2014 If he signs, if he signs what I want him to sign, you\u2014 you\u2014 you quote what I want uh, you know what I want.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I just want to make sure there\u2019s no misunderstanding.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2014 I didn\u2019t have no misunderstanding. (Stumbles over words) I\u2014\u00a0I believe in r\u2014 playing Russian roulette once in a while. (Pause) I don\u2019t play\u2014 (Stern) I don\u2019t mean no goddamn games, like you people. Shit, I\u2019m ready to die any day. (Lighter tone) Woo, that\u2019s strong brandy. They ought to told it was brandy before I drink quarter of a glass of it.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Laugh, Laura. Or you\u2019ll have to fuck in front of the center.<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts in amusement.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You and Mom Dean. (Laughs) Shift. You fuckers did that on purpose.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calls out) I\u2019m drunk.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I could depend<\/i> upon you to clap, but don\u2019t start no shit, I\u2019m on\u2014\u00a0I\u2019m on to you. I may stagger to get you, but I\u2019m after you. (Laughs) Laugh, Jeff, or your ass\u2019ll stay on the Learning Crew.<\/p>\n

Audience calms. Woman talks softly.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah. (Pause) Nah, she couldn\u2019t now, she been here all the time, if she don\u2019t mind, let her\u2014 but be sure to stay al\u2014 stay alert and awake, boy. Be our luck to have some shit going loose while we\u2019re at battle. And we can win<\/i> these\u2014 You get nervous, some of you new ones, but we\u2019ve won such\u2014 uh, we\u2019ve won such things that uh, nobody on earth could win.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You know what we\u2019ve done? Today, already \u2014 I haven\u2019t heard back what the results is \u2014 we barged into uh, the hi\u2014 head government office? We all barged in. We didn\u2019t ask for no interview, we just shut the fuckin\u2019 door \u2014 you\u2019re all right, aren\u2019t you, my son, you\u2019re\u2014<\/p>\n

Laughter. Sounds of gentle slapping.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s stone-faced Steve, they called him in those days. (Laughs). How \u2018bout a ha\u2014 how about some of my brandy? (Laughs) I love him, I love him, I love him. And we b\u2014\u00a0we we\u2014 went into the Russians, the Russians had an important conference, and we barged in there, too<\/i>. And we barge anyplace else<\/i> we want you want to suggest tonight. What is it, dear?<\/p>\n

Girl:<\/b> You\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You want to fuck?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) I just feel relaxed enough to just fuck<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Whisper it to me, dear. Whisper.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

(Tape off for several seconds)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You mean I gotta drink more of that shit yet? (Pause) I\u2019ll be the happiest<\/i> stroke victim ever came down the road<\/i>. (Laughs) (Pause) What\u2014 Take<\/i> his blood pressure while you\u2019re at it. This kid holds too much in. Take a blood pressure, see what he\u2019s got in there. (Slurs over sentence) (Clear voice) What you need tonight is a good fuck, son.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Give me a good fuck, I\u2019ll take it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He say, if you give me a good fuck, I\u2019ll take it, but I\u2019m not sure it\u2019ll be good<\/i>, and they\u2014 that\u2019s a (Stretches out word) wise man.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause there\u2019s consequences, aren\u2019t there? Anything you do, there\u2019s consequences.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> I need brandy or something, I\u2019m\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Dear? Whatever in the hell they got in this shit is strong<\/i>. (Pause) What were we talking about? What the hell have you<\/i> done, Tish [Laetitia LeRoy]? Aside being a mean old bitch in the Accounting Office. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd gets rowdy.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Don\u2019t give me too much liquor tonight. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Tish: <\/b>When uh, when Ruby was in Georgetown, we had a problem with Janice staying out too late at night. I came home one night, very<\/i> late, and she had locked Annie McGowan in the house.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (calm and sober) Locked her what?<\/p>\n

Tish: <\/b>Locked Annie McGowan in the house from the outside, latched it. And Annie couldna gotten out<\/i>, if she\u2019d had to in an emergency\u2014 (Jim talks over her)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible) congratulations to you people in accounting, could get in those important papers out, so they couldn\u2019t start some shit in that<\/i> area (unintelligible word). It\u2019s all out, is it?<\/p>\n

Tish: <\/b>Uh, everything that we could<\/i> get out is out. I hope they picked up the package that we sent into Georgetown today.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, that\u2019s a good question. With all this mess. No\u2014 (Tish talks over him)<\/p>\n

Tish: <\/b>We got that out.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible) \u2014 we\u2019ll find it somewhere, I guess. Is everything done (unintelligible as Tish talks over him)<\/p>\n

Tish: <\/b>Everything is done that we can do. Not everything is done that should be done, everything is done that we can do without additional W-2s and things like that, that we have sent for.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I see. You mean, they\u2019ll block<\/i> some of our checks coming in?<\/p>\n

Tish: <\/b>If the package gets picked up in Georgetown, and gets delivered into\u2014 I recommended that they take it to the U.S. Ambassador, because he can (pause) officially postmark it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hear what she said? That\u2019s a good point. Clever.<\/p>\n

Tish: <\/b>Then it\u2019ll get postmarked before the 15th.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s clever. What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Voice too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Whoa, that kid\u2019s healthy. How can he st\u2014 be healthy around me? That\u2019s amazing. Go ahead, and\u2014<\/p>\n

Tish: <\/b>That\u2019s all.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Incredulous) She locked little Annie McGowan in the house.<\/p>\n

Tish: <\/b>I\u2014 I don\u2019t know if it was intentional or not, I\u2014 in fairness to\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well\u2014 are we answered?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>Um\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Tish sees the CIA behind every plot, maybe working for the CIA.<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>Uh, Dad, when I went out of the house, um, Annie\u2014 (JJ talks over her)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shut up, Vince, and I\u2019ll kill you. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>I locked the last one outside to keep it shut until I got back, and, then Tish came home, and uh, she was locked in, and that\u2019s\u2014\u00a0uh\u2014 I\u2014\u00a0I\u2014 see I\u2014\u00a0what I did, is, okay, Annie was in there\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What were you doing in George\u2014 when were you in Georgetown?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>I wasn\u2019t\u2014 Dad, I was\u2014 no, it\u2019s not at the home. Ruby was in Georgetown. See, oh, I left the house\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, I\u2019m sorry.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Happy cry) Oh, goddamn you, I\u2019m gone drink some more of it. Shit.<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They got that<\/i> to me. I wouldna drank this much. This is something else.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>Drink it up.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Nooo<\/i>. If I drink it up, you people wouldn\u2019t be protected<\/i>. I got too much sense for that<\/i>. I feel good, but I ain\u2019t gone go that<\/i> far. You folk wouldn\u2019t have an ounce of protection, if I drank very much more, \u2018cause I\u2019d be going through the audience seeing who\u2019d be willing for a fuck.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter and whooping<\/p>\n

Tape off for several seconds.<\/p>\n

Jack: <\/b>\u2014 this thing up. Could we speed it up, now?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>Did you do it on purpose?<\/p>\n

Janice: <\/b>No, no I didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Jack: <\/b>No, you didn\u2019t do it on\u2014 Do you know she didn\u2019t do it on purpose?<\/p>\n

Annie McGowan: <\/b>When she came in, it was round about three o\u2019clock.<\/p>\n

Jack: <\/b>(Angrily) Did she do it on purpose? (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Annie: <\/b>And I told her\u2014<\/p>\n

Jack: <\/b>Did she do it on purpose?<\/p>\n

Female: <\/b>Annie!<\/p>\n

Annie: <\/b>She, she\u2014<\/p>\n

Jack: <\/b>Did\u2014 Did she do it on purpose? Did\u2014 Just yes or no. Did she do it on purpose? Do you think she did it on purpose?<\/p>\n

Annie: <\/b>I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Jack: <\/b>Okay.<\/p>\n

Female: <\/b>She knew that Annie was there.<\/p>\n

Annie: <\/b>She knowed I was in<\/i> there, but she\u2014 I asked her she was going back out and she said, no<\/i>. And so I didn\u2019t even know the door was locked until Tish came.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I don\u2019t (unintelligible word) believe Janice goes around locking seniors in.<\/p>\n

Annie: <\/b>No, I don\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Johnny:<\/b> I don\u2019t either. \u2018Cause\u2014 \u2018Cause I\u2019ve gone out the door and I\u2019ve locked the door, and people been in there\u2014 it\u2019s just a ha\u2014\u00a0a force of habit.<\/p>\n

General hubbub.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Hey. Dismiss the case, Johnny.<\/p>\n

Johnny:<\/b> Dismiss the\u2014 Case dismissed. (Authoritative voice) Everybody sit down. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause<\/p>\n

Hubbub and laughter.<\/p>\n

Johnny:<\/b> Are you still on the floor? (Pause) Are you guys still on the floor? Are you still on the floor? Are you still on the floor? (Pause) You guys just sit down. Just sit down, all right? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Tape clicks off and on several times<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I wonder (Pause) who thought to give me all<\/i> that quarter glass of brandy, ninety per cent proof with no food on my fuckin\u2019 stomach. Some folk ought to think for<\/i> me. Whee!<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Cries out joyously) I\u2019m\u2014 I\u2019m an example and a sample, Reb [James Edwards], of what it\u2019s gonna be on the laaaaasst night. Hahahaha. Ahhh, yeah!<\/i> (Pause) You better put something on my fuckin\u2019 stomach. \u2018Cause I see two Vinces, and one is enough. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Nah, I kinda like him. I love all of you, drunk or sober. And I know just how serious a White Night is, drunk or sober. I must admit things are fi\u2014 (Deliberate) ah, kind of calm. (Pause) It\u2019s marvelous. What other shit can we stir up tonight? (Laughs) Whew! (Pause) Is that beans? That\u2019s my shit, I like them beans beans beans, (sings) the musical fruit, the more you eat, the more you toot. (Cries out) The more you toot, the better you feel. (Pause) (Normal tone) I know you fuckers are happy to see me drunk.<\/p>\n

Hubbub.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That ain\u2019t beans. That\u2019s okra<\/i>. (Pause) Food\u2019s food, isn\u2019t it, anyway. Good to be eatin\u2019, when some people are starvin\u2019. Then you feel guilty with every foo\u2014 every piece you put down. (Pause) How many feel guilty when you eat? Ah, don\u2019t lie too quick. (Pause) (More emphatically) Don\u2019t lie too quick.<\/p>\n

Tape off for several seconds<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The reason I had this reaction, they didn\u2019t have any food<\/i> on my stomach. And everybody knows<\/i>, when you take alcohol, that much alcohol and you haven\u2019t eaten, you have a slight problem<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You fuckers. I just douse some more<\/i> of this shit. Come on, now. Goddamnit. Get this shit out of my way. (Pause) Hey, goddamnit. I took a whole swallow more of that shit. (Pause) I wish White Nights quit<\/i> when I got drunk, but they won\u2019t. If they did, I\u2019d get drunk from ev\u2014 now on forevermore, wouldn\u2019t you, Mom [Burger Lee] Dean?<\/p>\n

Dean: <\/b>Yep.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But Mom, before you die, got some good liquor over there. (Eating) I got enough for everybody to get drunk twice<\/i>. (Pause) See how I even\u2014 I even got one of the (unintelligible word\u2014 stole steppers?), she\u2019s smiling. Shit, she\u2019s straight-faced all the time. (Pause) Shift your ass before it glues itself to the bench. (Pause) (More serious) That\u2019s enough. I think it\u2019s enough. I think it\u2019s enough. (Pause) Moms Mabley [likely Bertha Cook], have you got a good joke for folk<\/i> that are ready to die<\/i>? I feel guilt now, and I didn\u2019t even know I was getting<\/i> the liquor. I feel guilt that you<\/i> don\u2019t all have some. (Cries) Hey! Order! I ain\u2019t got much, but order is an extra dose so that we can get drunk during one White Night. After it\u2019s over. I think\u2014 I think\u2014\u00a0Don\u2019t you think that\u2019s right, we get drunk one White Night? Shit. One White Night. Just one\u2014 (squeaky kid\u2019s voice) one White Night?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Applause and cheers<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You smile, bitch, or I\u2019ll pour it up your vagina. Yeeheeheehee! (Pause) Shit, you could drink anybody under the house and stand there smilin\u2019. (Pause) Don\u2019t count on no shit tonight, though, \u2018cause I\u2019m gonna keep me awake till I get sober. Woo! (Pause) It don\u2019t do nothing for you, though, honey, you still know what reality is. I\u2019m drunker than a skunk, but I still<\/i> know what reality is. So don\u2019t think it\u2019s any way out. It isn\u2019t. (Pause) Well, hell, I couldn\u2019t help but be happy!<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>No, but I\u2019m saying, that everybody\u2019s happy.<\/p>\n

Another woman in crowd: <\/b>You have a high tolerance\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Fake crying) You want to get me a cup of hot coffee, honey? Shit, let me enjoy three<\/i> more minutes. (Laughs) No, I don\u2019t care. No, in my case, it is\u2014\u00a0she\u2014 she\u2019s right, it would not necessarily make you happy. It don\u2019t make me happy. It just makes me\u2014 (Pause) It makes me not feel my headache as much, although I got a burning in my stomach, \u2018cause it was empty. But shit<\/i>, I\u2019d take that burning to this headache.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>You want some milk, Dad?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm? (Disgusted) Milk? Oh, shit, no. No milk.<\/p>\n

Hubbub.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shift your ass, honey. I\u2019m sorry, I\u2014 if I\u2019d had more liquor, and we didn\u2019t\u2014 if we knew\u2014<\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted May 1999<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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