{"id":27514,"date":"2013-06-16T00:20:45","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:20:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27514"},"modified":"2026-02-11T17:08:17","modified_gmt":"2026-02-12T01:08:17","slug":"q642","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27514","title":{"rendered":"Q642 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Note: <\/em><\/b>This tape continues from Q 641<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, I uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> \u2013about going into the jungles.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That was (tape edit) success and uh, principles.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He said, they carried our demands, we would not accept Doctor [Larry] Schacht, we will not accept the demands placed on Doctor Schacht, and the pharmacist [Don Fields]. Right.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Um\u2013 One other thing (unintelligible) \u2013she doesn\u2019t think that Mingo\u2019d [Vibert Mingo, Guyana Minister of Home Affairs] stuck his neck out because of his own personal security.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He\u2019s afraid of his job too, hmm?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> And he said that uh\u2013 And (stumbles over words) in regards to Katie, she thought Judge [Audrey] Bishop was pretty honorable. (unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Thinks uh, Judge Bishop did the honorable thing, and we\u2019ll win. He thinks we\u2019ll win.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> He said he wouldn\u2019t\u2013 that he wouldn\u2019t be influenced by outside uh, (unintelligible word), he said he didn\u2019t know all the facts. He said he\u2019d uh\u2013 he said Bishop, he didn\u2019t think could have (unintelligible under radio).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> And uh, he\u2013 it said that nothing\u2013 he said, don\u2019t be alarmed, \u2018cause nothing concrete came out of the conversation, \u2018cause Mingo said he wasn\u2019t too involved and didn\u2019t know all the facts behind it. And\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Or at least, he (unintelligible word) like he didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> This clock. Where the fuck is this clock?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Been on six hours.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible) (Pause) Five minutes to one, this goddamned clock, you got this mother-fucker here won\u2019t work. Don\u2019t look that\u2013\u00a0Don\u2019t do that to me. (Pause) Hmm? What time is it? Five minutes to one?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Outrageous. People, keep on these clocks. (Pause) Go ahead, go ahead.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> (soft opening) beyond his ability to help, and if we had gone through every possibility that he knows, what else can we do? Doesn\u2019t give Ann the feeling that Larry\u2019s license could<\/i> be accomplished. He sounded like (unintelligible word under Jones\u2019 breathing) there might be an independent investigation. And right now, there\u2019s so many problems in Guyana that they won\u2019t do as much for us because they don\u2019t want pressure from other elements that we were getting special favors.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What, they don\u2019t want pressure from other pla\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> From any of these elements, that we\u2019re getting\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What pressure are they talking<\/i> about? We got no trouble from the PPP, we got no trouble from the WPA, who\u2013 who are they talking about, we get uh, other pressure from other groups. That could only be the United States.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Um. I thought you meant other elements within just\u2013 uh, just generally in the country.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> In the uh, PNC?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Just in the whole country. (unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

(radio interference)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The country\u2019s not organized. That\u2019s lovely. That\u2019s a hell of a mess when you haven\u2019t got anybody in control. I hope the\u2013 I hope the fuckin\u2019 PPP does something with it. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Um\u2013 I\u2019m not so sure if I recall what you meant by the\u2013 if it wasn\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Did anybody ask? Somebody asked over there why Coleman, without making clear uh, our\u2013 our\u2013 our code break, why Coleman did what he did today. If you got any feedback or any news about it\u2013 (Pause) You understand what I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yeah. Sure. We (unintelligible word) toppled over his desk. (unintelligible phrase)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Toppled over the desk, threw his papers out and walked out of the parliament. That\u2019s the head of the opposition, Dr. Cheddi Jagan.<\/p>\n

(radio interference)<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> And uh, she said\u2013 (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, don\u2019t worry about that. They\u2019ve rounded up a whole lot of black leaders in the United States so that\u2013 that\u2019s uh\u2013 Don\u2019t think you\u2019re any safer in United States, you\u2019re sure<\/i> as hell ain\u2019t any safer, and there ain\u2019t no goddamn jungle you can pave your way through and get lost<\/i> in tomorrow.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You understand, huh? You understand? When they come for you in United States, there\u2019s no place you can go, even if you\u2019re [U.S. Rep.] Charles Diggs or you\u2019re the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania, the black woman, the most prestigious, there no place for you to go.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The black general they arrested? What was it? Uh\u2013 Fifty-eight years of age? And fired him? Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Um, Ann thinks that the custody mat\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> In USA, I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> That the custody matter should be regarded as a no-compromise situation, that maybe to save them face, we could ask for a temporary license.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019ll take temporary license. We\u2019ll take anything. We take no<\/i> license. (unintelligible name) gone tell me that he\u2019s going in town. I don\u2019t give a shit what<\/i> they tell us as (unintelligible under radio) I don\u2019t give a goddamn about that.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> I think (unintelligible under radio) a temporary\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Just keep from doing temporary license. Okay.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Um. Oh, this is regarding marriage officers. It\u2013 Uh, Mingo says (unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Somebody\u2013\u00a0gotta see it if you want it\u2013 Brother [Willie Delois] Sneed back there, way back in the back. It\u2019s okay. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> They were asking him why the marriage license hadn\u2019t come through and\u2013 or, the marriage<\/i> officer.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, I\u2019m supposed to be\u2013\u00a0I was supposed to be appointed by the government to be a marriage officer. Why hasn\u2019t it come through?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> They said that the person who makes the decisions on marriage officers (unintelligible under radio)\u2013 he didn\u2019t think it was a personal thing.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And the regular guy\u2019s out\u2013\u00a0out of the country, huh. Uh, passes on my\u2013 final passage on me being a marr\u2013 ma\u2013\u00a0a marr\u2013 a governmental marriage officer. Go ahead. Are you hearing me?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> He arranged an appointment for 10 a.m. tomorrow morning.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Arrange another appointment for 10 a.m.?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> No, with the commissioner of police [C.A. \u201cSkip\u201d Roberts], regarding the Bruce Oliver thing.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> With the commissioner of police in reference to what they\u2019re trying\u2013 the Olivers [Beverly and Howard Oliver] are trying to do.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Um-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> And they had a question about deleting bar\u2013 part about mentioning Mario\u2019s name, and I\u2013 and I told Mike that we should, you know, that Mario is\u2013 (unintelligible word under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Don\u2019t throw\u2013 don\u2019t throw\u2013 don\u2019t throw the foreign minister [Fred Wills] to the wolves. He\u2019s given us information. No, no.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Don\u2019t give names of those who\u2019ve appeared<\/i> even to be friends\u2013<\/p>\n

(Radio interference)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> I didn\u2019t think so, but I told her\u2013 (unintelligible word) no, I didn\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, shit, no, don\u2019t start no more shit with that. That\u2019d be my opinion. You can ask the (unintelligible word) people, but that\u2019s my opinion.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Here\u2019s the list of people who are gone right now from the country.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unfolds paper) People that\u2019s been gone. Prime Minister [Forbes] Burnham and his wife [Viola Burnham]. Hoyte [Desmond Hoyte, Guyana Minister of Development].<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Shouldn\u2019t it have that be minister of justice?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Minister of justice [Mohammed Shahabadeen]. Jack [Hubert Jack, Guyana Minister of Energy and Natural Resources]. Is he with them?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yeah\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s good. He\u2019s in the Soviet Union. Jack\u2019s in the Soviet Union. He\u2019s probably the\u2013 the\u2013 they say he\u2019ll be the next prime minister. Steve Narine [Minister of Works Steve Naraine]\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Naraine\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Naraine? That\u2019s the man who was out here too.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yeah, he was out here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Minister of works. Where is he? He\u2019s in the Soviet Union?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Yeah. And the other two are not, but they\u2019re gone.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> [Frank] Hope is not with the delegation but gone?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> He\u2019s in Canada.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Corbin [Robert Corbin, First Vice Chairman of Guyana\u2019s PNC] has been friendly. He\u2019s in Canada too?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> That\u2013\u00a0uh, he\u2019s on business, not on vacation.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> On business. (Pause) Hope\u2013 That\u2019s the shits. (More deliberate) What about Russia<\/i>? What about their meeting with Russia<\/i> today?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Okay, they\u2013\u00a0she\u2019s got more on (unintelligible word). I can tell you that\u2013<\/p>\n

(Radio interference, technical problems for several moments)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019ll get it from here. When are they<\/i> coming? Are they coming on a\u2013 are they on a boat?<\/p>\n

(Radio interference, technical problems for several moments)<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> \u2013involved in a hard time campaign but the\u2013 the Guyanese put up with it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Cuba said it\u2019s interesting that nothing\u2019s happened, that there\u2019s not a revolution yet. Okay. (Chews ice)<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

\u00a0(Pause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They think they will?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Then what\u2019s going to come out of the USSR<\/i>? (Tape edit) Nothing can be\u2013 What the Cubans think of Russia, yep. (Tape edit) (pause) We ask some questions now, if you can ask them. These same questions. What sh\u2013 Shirley think that Eleanor will do? Da-da-la-da. We gotta probe probe probe probe probe, get in there with you\u2013 we want probe probe probe here. Another few minutes, another thirty minutes or so. Shift, please.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Wel, it isn\u2019t anything against Shirley? Does that mean\u2013 uh, does that mean that uh, Oscar\u2019s going to move close to (pause) uh, uh, Rex<\/i>? Does that mean that<\/i>? Or does it mean that Oscar is going to get help from Rex with no strings attached? Does it mean that Oscar will be moving towards uh, Netty, or I mean to (stumbles over words), and then by the way, how\u2019s Oscar uh, relate to Netty, and how will they see re\u2013 her relating to Netty? How do they see Oscar relating to uh, Eleanor? Do they see any protection, uh, umbrella? Where do they see us in reference to all this shit? (Pause) Talking about Russia, USA and Cuba. Oh, go ahead.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Um, she said thing on\u2013 on the (unintelligible word) Soviet stuff\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Come on, come on.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> She\u2013\u00a0Okay. You\u2019re not going to be able to attend this weekend, but the reporter might be able to come to the (unintelligible word) tomorrow, but most likely he will be able to come. Express concern about resentment in the States (Tape edit) \u2013might be used against us.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> He said\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape silence for several moments)<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> \u2013that um\u2013<\/p>\n

(Radio interference, technical problems for several moments)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. In the Soviet Union, we\u2019ll look into the implications that can be\u2013 we can bring about nuclear war if we go into\u2013 if we go out of here and Russia gives us cover, unless they give the cover to everybody else that wanted to get out of this country, if it went fascist. But they did not uh, decline\u2013 they would look into it, but they can\u2019t do it within the matter of a few days. They cannot do it. That\u2019s in so many words. That\u2019s what\u2013 (radio interference) They come up here now, they said the United States, if they come up here, this uh\u2013 \u2018cause they were coming up supposedly this week. If they come up, it will uh, be used to uh\u2013 but the United States to\u2013 to further destroy us. (Radio interference) To try to destroy us.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> (soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/b> If the Russians come up here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If the Russians come up, so they\u2019re not (radio interference)\u2013\u00a0One of them may come up. The US Embassy\u2019s already approached them to see if they\u2019ve been up here. (Pause) Which is stupid<\/i>. That\u2019s a stupid way to\u2013 to do it, their intelligence must be pretty damn cheap<\/i> to ask them. That\u2019s not the fucking way to do it. They must have very poor intelligence, if they\u2019re asking. (Pause) (Exasperated) Now, you kids, can\u2019t you come on, man? I\u2019m older\u2013 Uh, I can understand some of these people, but I\u2019ll be goddamned if I can understand some of you people who\u2019ve been sleeping half the night. Now come on to\u2013\u00a0Get to.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Normal tone) Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Where\u2013 Where\u2019re we at? Wake up, Noah. Where\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Haven\u2019t got enough people per\u2013 patrol there, going to sleep<\/i> on you.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shirley will fall out of there, if you don\u2019t watch out, on that bench.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, what\u2019s the\u2013 What\u2013 what\u2019s the order of the procedure again? Some of them never voted, some of the eighty never voted, you never made a decision?<\/p>\n

(Tape edit) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right. Some of you back here, please, come around to front so I can see you. I think\u2013 (Voice rises) (unintelligible name) now what in the hell you doing, sleeping there?<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 4:<\/b> Get up front, to the front, punk.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (stumbles over words) What\u2019s his capacity? He\u2019s going to sleep, dead-ass asleep like this. Nodding\u2019s one thing, but dead-ass asleep, yeah\u2013 who\u2013 we\u2019d throwed somebody else out here, didn\u2019t we, for that?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Huh?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, but work got him on. What\u2019s he got\u2013 what\u2019s he got to say of him?<\/p>\n

Male 5:<\/b> Same thing.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Just totally asleep.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/b> (unintelligible name) Go to the bell. (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Come on, folks. Your name\u2019s called. What about the work? Roosevelt James. What about it?<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/b> Uh, he\u2019s been working for Roosevelt for the last two days.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Uh, Roosevelt, you\u2019re settin\u2019 back there, you heard your name.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/b> Just yell it out, Roosevelt.<\/p>\n

Male 7:<\/b> He\u2019s not hearing you right.<\/p>\n

(Radio interference)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All right, come on, come on, come on. (Pause) The foreign minister may be dying. They dropped here in helicopter. Isn\u2019t life wonderful?<\/p>\n

(Radio)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Man who was very friendly, he\u2019s given us more information than anybody<\/i>. He may be dying. (Pause) (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Male 8:<\/b> Yeah, his work\u2013 his work was good<\/i> all day, we\u2013\u00a0as long as he worked for me<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/b> I see him walkin\u2019 around a lot. I see him walkin\u2019 around a lot. I don\u2019t see (unintelligible word) much work.<\/p>\n

Male 9:<\/b> I sent him up to the laundry one day myself, \u2018cause he could go by hisself, he wasn\u2019t going to learn (unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible) \u2013any other complaints, Renetta.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

(Radio interference)<\/p>\n

Woman 2:<\/b> Diana Marshall, Diana Marshall.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shush, shush, shush, shush, shush, shush. (unintelligible) (Calls out) Where are you going to, to a goddamn flea circus?<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> No, dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I ain\u2019t never seen nothing like this in my life.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/b> (unintelligible) he was asleep in the middle (unintelligible under Male 11)<\/p>\n

Male 11:<\/b> Who said?<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/b> John. I just asked (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He said he saw Kenny asleep, and what happened to him<\/i>?<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/b> He saw what happened to Kenny.<\/p>\n

Male 11:<\/b> What\u2019s that mean?<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/b> Usually the one asleep.<\/p>\n

(Radio interference)<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/b> You know it\u2019s a White Night, and there\u2013 and uh, you shouldn\u2019t be going to sleep, \u2018cause you know what happened to\u2013 to uh, Kenny, and Kenny coulda been on Learning Crew, and you could be too. So you need to stay awake, and everybody else in here. (pause) No, I wasn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/b> You walked in here like you were (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It ain\u2019t pleasant. I know it\u2019s not pleasant, children. But my God, somebody\u2019s gotta fight this revolution. I didn\u2019t ask to uh\u2013 (Pause) for any considerations. I was young, just like you, and I chose to\u2013 when I coulda gone the easy way. If there is any easy way. A millionaire, and gave it up. Looks to me like you kids try<\/i> to stay awake and carry this revolution, \u2018cause I\u2019m long long in the battle. (Pause) It\u2019s hell<\/i> to plan this whole place, plan escape routes, plan\u2013\u00a0(Pause) plan escape routes, plan how\u2013 if we go to the Soviet Union, plan if we all commit revolutionary suicide. Review it, because people\u2019s minds change. I don\u2019t like to do this, but we have to do it. You\u2019ll sleep late tomorrow, you can be assured.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We went several months without a goddamn White Night. It\u2019s just (unintelligible word under radio) we are, misfortunate (unintelligible word). We\u2019d like you to know, this is not participate, not said a damn word, this is new, they hadn\u2019t involved themselves, you should be concerned about it. We\u2019re in a wartime emergency\u2013may be innocent, it may not have any meaning at all, but we need to find out where in the hell people\u2019s heads are. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 12:<\/b> I don\u2019t see how you can go sleep anyway, you almost brought the house down on us before, it\u2019s\u2013 all you sleeping on the security. In the night, it\u2019s not security. In the night, it\u2019s a White Night. And how you could sit out there\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible under male and radio) \u2013sleep on security once?<\/p>\n

(Interference)<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> \u2013at the front gate.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013at front gate.<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> With harassment\u2013 With harassment\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> When we were\u2013 when we were being attacked\u2013<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> And off\u2013\u00a0off the gate (unintelligible under radio) about Tim Stoen (unintelligible under Jones)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They gave us the wrong\u2013 You\u2013 Yeah, you<\/i> gave us the wrong codes. Yeah, you\u2013 you set on them. You get on Learning. You gave us the wrong uh, codes. It almost brought us to death. All<\/i> of us. You gave us the wrong<\/i> codes. If I hadn\u2019t used judgment, (stumbles over words)\u2013 that had been the end of it. They told us\u2013 they told us, Tim Stoen was on the road, gave us the code for that, and he\u2019da been shot<\/i> away, blown away. We had just\u2013 just minutes. And that\u2019d been the end of it. It\u2019d been the wrong person blown away. But I had the feeling it wasn\u2019t right.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Male 13:<\/b> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You should never sleep. Of all people, you should never sleep.<\/p>\n

Male 13:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re gone deal with you. You\u2019ll cool\u2013 You\u2019ll cool it. You brought us almost to death. (Pause) And I forgive\u2013 I don\u2019t hold it against you, but when you repeat the same pattern\u2013 Now what was I talkin\u2019 about when so rudely interrupted?<\/p>\n

Male 14:<\/b> About Fred Wills\u2013 Fred Wills, the foreign minister, Fred Wills, is dying.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, well, the foreign minister\u2019s dying, probably, yes, but\u2013 unless something intervenes. (Pause) (Tape edit) Okay. Strong pressure in United States hanging over our heads. Strong pressure hanging over our heads. It\u2019s pretty goddamn strong, when it goes clear up to the top. (Pause) Division internally here, uncertainty as to its future, we\u2019re asking any more questions of the Russians now at this ungodly hour. (Pause) Now. Can you tell me? (More emphatic) Can you tell me?<\/p>\n

(Pause) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> For persons that didn\u2019t get up, you know, new persons that\u2019ve been sitting here all the while this White Night\u2019s been going on, there\u2019re a number of us been through this a number of times (clears throat), but some of you that are new<\/i>, uh, haven\u2019t gotten up to say anything and oughta be\u2013 I understand while I was\u2013\u00a0I was out that some of the new per\u2013 persons got up and spoke. Some others of you didn\u2019t<\/i>. (Pause) Let your conscience be your guide. We\u2019d like to know what\u2019s going on in your heads.<\/p>\n

Male 15:<\/b> Let the collective conscience be their guide.<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> Well, you know, and I can\u2019t speak for\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 16:<\/b> If you want up there before you know who you are\u2013 (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> \u2013know, we\u2019re talking to you.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible word) then, they\u2019re not doing their goddamn job in there. That\u2019s the first question you\u2019d ask. What\u2019s this? What\u2019s tha\u2013 what\u2019s this?<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/b> I was saying, Dad, I didn\u2019t hear John Harris make a statement tonight about a White Night.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Several people talking over each other<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> Uh, because we\u2019d gone through the other situation, I assumed that it\u2013 that wasn\u2019t\u2013 (tape edit) Uh, yeah, um. I um\u2013 I gave a vow several months ago uh, which uh\u2013 over the radio. So that was the reason why I didn\u2019t make uh, make a statement.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> You had better help us to know what\u2019s in your head, what\u2019s going on in your head right now. I mean, you know, over the radio is something<\/i>, but you know, you\u2019re sitting\u2019 in the midst of 999 other folks.<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> Um\u2013 my vow still stands as it did several months ago. Otherwise\u2013 I would\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> I\u2013 I\u2019m gonna tell you, yes.<\/p>\n

Ingram<\/b>:<\/b> Go ahead, (unintelligible word), go ahead. Just say it.<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> I came down here to\u2013 I came down here to fight and, because I have a debt \u2013 I have had a debt \u2013 for many years, and I still have a debt, and I intend to uh, give my life to pay that debt.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Stay in there in counsel, \u2018cause you\u2019re o\u2013 one of people in P.C., so stay in there, get involved and agitate.<\/p>\n

Male 17:<\/b> That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s one thing that had me worried\u2013 that\u2019s one thing that had me worried, in terms of your not in\u2013 involving in any\u2013\u00a0any interchange that was happening on the floor, John. And you\u2013 you know, you know from way back when, that you should be involved in that kind of stuff.<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> I thought I was, uh, but when you think, you don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2013 I don\u2019t recall you being in tonight. It\u2019s possible that I have not conceived of something. Okay. What is it\u2013 There\u2019s a line of people now. What they\u2019re gonna\u2013 And now they\u2019ve never said anything about it? Yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/b> Well, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> And don\u2019t say (unintelligible under woman) either. Make it short and sweet.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/b> Well, I\u2019m willing to fight, so I would think\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, we got four\u2013 we got some options before we go\u2013\u00a0You\u2013 We gonna get your options tested in people. The options are: the Soviet Union has implied that there could be a war<\/i> over us. Well, that can give you to believe that the Soviet Union might not be so inclined to pull us out. Be the worst come to worst, nuclear war is a\u2013 is hell. Although they gave us assurances that they\u2013 that that was certainly<\/i> within the real of possibility they could do it, but they couldn\u2019t do it quickly. They would not give up possibilities here. The jungle has opportunities. They gave that<\/i> uh, as an out too. There are other opp\u2013 opportunities and other things happening, but they\u2019re a little skittish about talking. They can arrange for uh, uh, Dr. Jagan, but Dr. Jagan didn\u2019t like to be interrupted in the morning, which don\u2019t make me feel very good, in the wee hours of the morning, and they knew<\/i> when we\u2019d talked to him in the last time, and he was very friendly, but evidently, made some complaint<\/i> about being talked to at that hour. Uh, what\u2019s (unintelligible word). Also bothers me<\/i> \u2013 and I don\u2019t think no communist should be bothered when there\u2019s emergency \u2013 uh, at what hour they\u2019re interrupted. If they really\u2013 if<\/i> they are<\/i> communist. If there\u2019s any other communist leader except Jim Jones. Okay. You got revolutionary suicide<\/i> and a task force that goes out to get our enemies. Take a potion and we go<\/i>, all of us go. Or we go into the jungle. Or we make some kind of a militant stand here, demanding exodus. Oh, you can say, oh, we\u2019ve been though that. Yeah, have we. I doubt if some people ever went through it. They just sit<\/i> here. And maybe after the third and fourth time, it does go\u2013 it comes through their mind. Now I gave you some options. Which of those options do you vote for, and what is your position about oth\u2013 other\u2013\u00a0everything? Go ahead, dear.<\/p>\n

Male 18:<\/b> You got the microphone right (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Quickly and get it to the point. I made it very clear.<\/p>\n

(Feedback, crowd noise)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Handicap persons should be given attention.<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> All I know is, this is the only place I can\u2013 that I could be (unintelligible word). In the States I would have been dead.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, that\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2019s fine, Joe. And I sa\u2013\u00a0I appreciate that. In\u2013 He states you\u2019da been dead. Now what you going do that you\u2019re here, when you also could be dead.<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> I\u2019m doing what I can to\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Exasperated) You guys have got to think. I just gave you some options. You got a good mind, even though you had your problems, physically. You had a good mind. You\u2019ll do whatever uh, what? That Father tells us to do? Father gonna make the decision for one thousand lives?<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Scattered in Crowd:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Crowd noise<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Come on, (unintelligible word). I gave you some\u2013 I\u2019ll give you all these options. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> I\u2019ll uh\u2013 I\u2019ll die.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible under Joe) Check this blood pressure and see. What?<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> I\u2019ll be glad to\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (cries out) Die? Die?<\/i> (unintelligible phrase) dig through this goddamn pulling teeth shit. Now there all kindsa ways you can die<\/i>. Do we die through\u2013 immediately say it\u2019s shit on people, it\u2019s come to the end, we\u2019re the only communists left and commit a revolutionary act of suicide, de\u2013 delegating our people back in the States to\u2013 to\u2013\u00a0to do the finality, to do the final work? Uh, do we\u2013 do we go that\u2013 do we go that matter and\u2013 and uh, uh, or do we go into the jungle<\/i> and give \u2018em a run for their money, with a lot of assholes that\u2019ll gripe afore you get uh, 18 feet inside the jungle. And some you\u2019ll have to take care of before you get very far \u2018cause they won\u2019t walk a damn link, and uh, when you\u2013 they don\u2019t walk, we won\u2019t be able to burden\u2013 we won\u2019t enbar\u2013\u00a0we certainly<\/i> will take care of people who are handicapped, but we will not be able to carry every fucker and wait for every fucker that decides to come on their own speed. Do we go into that jungle, try to find to try tribes and we can elude them for a while, make a certain historical precedent, and can be the talk. We can carry a\u2013 a radio and use it for a while, uh, it\u2019s battery-charged. Uh, all these things are gonna have to be worked out, Doc [Don] Fitch, some of these people, electrical people, gonna have to get their mind ready for that kind of a portable operation, and then let them know, uh, we may tell them before we go, but you better not, you better have your uh, system already in there, and put your antenna up where it can\u2019t be seen from air, and your cover for any path, even a bulldozer path cannot be seen from air inside that jungle. (Pause) And you can do that, you can ask for immediate asylum, refuse to eat\u2013 refuse to eat, go on starvation diet, uh, (stumbles over words), starvation fast, as all the women of Nicaragua are doing right now, to get free from dictatorship, as\u2013<\/p>\n

End of side 1<\/b><\/p>\n

\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

Side 2<\/b><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Off in Russia, back we go again or uh, wherever the hell there\u2019s a struggle, it seems to be Zimbabwe right now, uh, wherever in hell. (Pause) We can\u2019t be dropped in Zimbabwe, we\u2019d have to be dropped in Mozambique<\/i>, someplace else, because Zimbabwe doesn\u2019t have a recognized government except the fascist government that\u2019s about to be overthrown, but is not overthrown. The Zimbabweans are fighting now. Over on western coast of Africa. Ethiopia\u2019s won<\/i> their war. (Pause) Now what?<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> Uh\u2013 uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And that\u2019s the kind of shit we gotta think about. You gotta think about it till you think about till you\u2019re tired<\/i> of thinking about it, but you gotta think<\/i> about it if you\u2019re a communist. (Pause) Or you can stay here and just wait for them to come on the hill and fight it out and die right here whenever the hell they come. But it\u2019s dangerous. You gotta have this thought\u2013 thought out. The children put back in the jungle in this uh, uh, haven, and then have them put to sleep and the seniors that uh, aren\u2019t able to fight and hope that none of us get captured and try to do everything (stumbles over words), the last stand, fall on your own bayonet or shoot yourself, if the\u2013 if the war is lost. First round, if they came in here, we\u2019ll win. We\u2019ll pick up some uh, weapons and uh, we can make an incident. We can make an incident in history. We can make an incident. But the point is, if the fascists take over, will the people coming after us know<\/i> what the hell\u2019s happened in a predominantly\u2013 those that march in here will be black soldiers. (Pause) Not knowing what the fuck they\u2019re doing, \u2018cause they didn\u2019t\u2013 like you, they didn\u2019t stay awake and listen<\/i>. They didn\u2019t do their socialist classes. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> All right, Joe, you heard it.<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> (Slurs over words) The thing is, uh, I\u2013 I would\u2013 I want\u2013 I want to work<\/i>, you know, I want\u2013 I want do the work I can, I wanta\u2013\u00a0I wanta\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Calls out<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> I wanta\u2013\u00a0I wanta\u2013 Yeah, I wanta die, I wanta die. (Breathes)<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> So you want to work and die, man\u2013 (unintelligible under Joe)<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> Dad, I wanta\u2013 Yeah, I\u2013 (breathes) I want\u2013 Anyway, I\u2013 I want to get there that pot of gold (unintelligible word) for weeks, you know, uh\u2013 I want\u2013\u00a0I mean, I go on a starvation diet or whatever, (stumbles over words)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Exasperated) Goddamn<\/i>, I just went through<\/i> all this, Joe. You\u2019re bright.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Somebody planted \u201cdying\u201d in your head, and so you come up with dying.<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> No\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You decide you go on a starvation diet. That\u2019s brave and wonderful, but maybe that\u2019s the simplest<\/i> solution. We don\u2019t look for the simple solutions, we look for the right<\/i> ones. (Pause) I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m tired, man, I got blood pressure problems, whatever the hell.<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> Well, I\u2013 my apologize, Dad. (stumbles over words) I want\u2013 One thing is (stumbles over words)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Exasperated) Pressure\u2019s going up again, high. (stumbles over words) Goddamn it, I don\u2019t know how much\u2013 I\u2013 Don\u2019t I speak the king\u2019s English? Did everybody<\/i> understand those alternatives or did (stumbles over words)\u2013 Did\u2013 Did you understand them?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Assents)<\/p>\n

Male voice:<\/b> Jonestown (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calms slightly) He\u2019s intelligent. He writes intelligent letters<\/i>. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 6:<\/b> Say something, Joe.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019ve repeated it twice. Have I not\u2013 Did I\u2013 Tropp, did I make this clear enough?<\/p>\n

Harriett Tropp<\/b>: Yes, you did.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now I\u2013 I don\u2019t want to repeat it again. I don\u2019t want to repeat it again. I\u2019m tired of hearing my voice.<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> Come on, Joe. Put your\u2013<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> I want to\u2013 (stumbles over words) I can\u2019t ex\u2013 I can\u2019t\u2013 I\u2013 I can\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Male voice:<\/b> Afraid to die?<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> No, I\u2019m not. I\u2019m not scared to die here. What they did in\u2013 in the hos\u2013 in the hospitals in the States, I\u2019m not ascared to die.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Stirs)<\/p>\n

Male 19:<\/b> Well, how you gone die? That\u2019s what you gotta decide now.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/b> \u2013twenty options.<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> I\u2019m gone be shot down. I\u2013 I don\u2019t care what they do to me.<\/p>\n

Male 20:<\/b> Well, lookee here, Joe. They said that you want to go in the jungles, gonna make the way out of the incident in the jungles.<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> Yes. Yeah, I want\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s the first solution he gave you.<\/p>\n

Male 20:<\/b> I think you want to die while (unintelligible under other chatter). You want to go on a hunger strike.<\/p>\n

Male 21:<\/b> \u2013go on starvation diet. (pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hunger strike, and\u2013 or somebody get\u2013 get uh, no work. (Pause) He wants to work. He wants to work. He wants to work and go on a hunger strike and die?<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> (stumbles over words)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, I say, if you go on a str\u2013 you don\u2019t\u2013 uh, you don\u2019t work any more than you have to, to produce the land if you\u2019ve not got hope. You got hope? We always hope, \u2018cause we been through darker points than this and come out of it. The whole damn country was taken over entirely<\/i>. This time we\u2019ve got s\u2013 It\u2019s qu\u2013\u00a0it\u2019s wavering. (Pause) Now. (Patient tone) I\u2019ll go over this one last miserable son-of-a-bitching bastardizing time.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered calls)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We can take at issue here, and go on a hunger strike, or one of us\u2013 uh, that could be the first step. No\u2013 Uh, stop work. Non-work pattern. Work stoppage. Strike. Let it be known we\u2019re striking. We can uh, withdraw all services, saying that all clinic services are denied, which is I\u2013 I don\u2019t think\u2019s wise. In my own opinion, but we can\u2019t<\/i> let anybody in. We have no choice. We take the clinic\u2013 the people to them, we take the medicine to them, that\u2019s all we can do now. If somebody comes to the gate, we\u2019ll have to send some medical people down there<\/i>. We ought to have that strategy, say eight dollars, that\u2019ll the doctor down there this time, \u2018cause\u2013<\/p>\n

Male in crowd<\/b>: \u2013even if the doctor\u2019s home.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, yeah, the doctor\u2019s out. We can find that\u2013 that\u2019ll fol\u2013 follow that, that\u2019ll be the first<\/i> thing, \u2018cause we\u2019re too\u2013 we\u2019re in too heavy a White Night if this goes on<\/i>. This<\/i> shit can go on, now. I mean this is w\u2013\u00a0this is shit that can go on. Now, we\u2013\u00a0if we go into a stri\u2013 a sitdown strike, we can go into a food<\/i> strike, uh, not eating, or we can step it up and make a display of one of our people, demonstrate it by giving their body to be burned or whatever in the hell is necessary. In\u2013 in uh, Georgetown or in Washington or whatever hell. Making certain demands, like, we want our doctor, we will have our doctor, we\u2019ll have our pharmacist, we will have our school\u2013 Where\u2019s our school at this particular point, we won\u2019t know that till twenty-first, right?<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible under radio) \u2013shits. And then they gotta go in\u2013 Oh Christ\u2013 Oh Christ on a goofy ass\u2013 (Pause) We\u2019ve been promised our school, guaranteed<\/i> it, in fact. But the guarantees of men about as good as the guarantees of the treaty to the Indians, I suppose. (Pause) Bet certain number of our people have to go in and to\u2013 to negotiate with them. I mean, to finish the final arrangements. And they leave what, Sunday?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Sunday night.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Sunday night. This is what, Wednesday?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> Mmm-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. All right. We\u2019re in Thursday morning. (Sighs) Then you can make a demand, uh, you can m\u2013 In the\u2013 In that center demand, if you make your demands too strong, any country\u2019ll find you too hot to heavy, uh, too hot to handle. You can qualify your demands ba\u2013 based on what you want to do. You want to get out of here to go to Cuba or to Russia or to Mozambique, so you can get into uh, Zimbabwe and fight? Then you\u2019d have to make your demands not so crazy. If uh, if uh, it is uh, demands just in the internal sector of the country, you can make your demands more<\/i> stringent, I mean, you can make you dev\u2013\u00a0demonstrations perhaps more<\/i> heavy. But how much these apathetic people who\u2019ve inherited<\/i> socialism rather than fought<\/i> for it will be able to communicate, it\u2019s an unknown quantity. We have won lots through White Nights. More when we had the foreign minister, though, than before. He seemed to understand crazy nigger talk.<\/a> But our Doctor Mingo, who\u2019s our uh\u2013 Dr. Mingo who\u2019s the minister of home affairs and immigration, seems to understand a lot of it too. \u2018Cause every time we get crazy nigger, he<\/i> also bends. We\u2019ve not<\/i> tried it on some of these other cabinet ministers. (Pause) Now we can make more demands, I say if we\u2019re trying to just stay here. Then if we don\u2019t meet them, after some point, I don\u2019t see sitting here starving to death, uh, you burn down your buildings, s\u2013 set fire to your fields, so nobody can inherit it, and you die. Uh, sending so many people across the border, out on the boat, to try to get to the uh, uh, some debarkation point to get back to the States to assist those that\u2019ll be k\u2013 uh, doing justice to the enemy, and a few other things that might be\u2013 that\u2019ve been laid out already. The plans have already been laid<\/i> out. And all they need is a code<\/i> from the radio. Uh, the other\u2013 you can go out into the jungle, we can carry our radio portable with us, and our bulldozers, our heavy equipment, and carry food\u2013 heavy equipment, as long as our fuel lasts<\/i>, and as long as fuel as we can carry, then, by God, we had to get down to packin\u2019 food on our backs, medicines on our back, uh, uh\u2013 [Jewell James] Simpson\u2019s having such trouble staying awake, he perhaps ought to just rest or so\u2013 uh, someplace. (Pause) We can uh, do that\u2013 Huh? That\u2019s okay. Okay. Meet the tribe\u2013\u00a0meet some tribes out there, and try to elude them, and just show to\u2013 to the fascist enemy that well, they\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019re brave people, they tried like hell to elude the enemy. Now that\u2019s uh, that\u2019s some alternatives, and somebody may think of something else. \u2018Cause I\u2019ve got goddamn blood pressure affecting me and several nights of no sleep. Uh, those are some reasonable alternatives. Now if you come up with something better, that\u2019s fine, I\u2019m open to that. (Pause) What the fuck about Parliament now? Okay, now go on, now\u2013 now\u2013 now you got four alternatives. Uh, now start again, Reb [James Edwards], will you m\u2013 monitor here?<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> I\u2013 I would want to choose first, uh, Dad, \u2018cause I wouldn\u2019t want to eat, \u2018cause I just\u2013 I wouldn\u2019t\u2013\u00a0I wouldn\u2019t eat no food or no food. And uh, you know, whatever work I\u2019ll be doing, I would, uh, I\u2019d do that though, \u2018cause I wouldn\u2019t\u2013\u00a0I wouldn\u2019t\u2013\u00a0I wouldn\u2019t eat, though, I wouldn\u2019t want to eat. I wouldn\u2019t want to eat no food.<\/p>\n

Male 21:<\/b> What would you decide if all the community\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered voices)<\/p>\n

Male 21:<\/b> What decision would you make if (unintelligible under Joe) the whole community\u2013<\/p>\n

Joe:<\/b> (stumbles over words) As a whole community, I would be, don\u2019t eat. Don\u2019t\u2013\u00a0don\u2019t eat.<\/p>\n

Male 22:<\/b> Did you understand the plan that Dad just spoke to you?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered voices)<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> These people, and then come back to Joe, okay?<\/p>\n

(Tape edit) (Pause)<\/p>\n

Reb [James Edwards]:<\/b> Make it very brief, very brief. Right to the point.<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Woman 8:<\/b> Okay. Well, uh, what I decide to do uh, like, for the White Night, I would just as soon not to eat or go out into the jungle, because I would just as soon to die here as I would back in the States.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> Well, what you say you want to do now?<\/p>\n

Woman 8:<\/b> Well, I\u2013 I could do without food or go out in the jungle and fight\u2013<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> Which one is it? You got two there, now which one?<\/p>\n

Woman 8:<\/b> Oh. (Pause) I would rather not eat any food at all.<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> Yeah, but the thing is, we\u2019re not talking about\u2013 uh, not talking about not eating food, we\u2019re talking about, how do you plan on dying? All right? Dying.<\/p>\n

Woman 8:<\/b> I\u2013 I\u2019d just as soon to go out in the jungle.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible beginning) make your decision. The Soviet Union says, think it over before we meet with Dr. Jagan. It could cause us troubles with the government. So it seems like the Soviet local embassy doesn\u2019t understand that principle doesn\u2019t think about what kind of trouble you got, but what principles require. They seem to like<\/i> us. Maybe they see something coming. Who knows? (stumbles over words) Naturally, they\u2019re not going to trust us, but uh, I don\u2019t want to take my service, or reaction on it. They seem to like us, and naturally, they\u2019re thinking about us when they\u2019re telling us not to meet with Dr. Jagan. But if it\u2019s out of concern for what might happen<\/i> to us, it seems to me that all<\/i> Communists should be thinking about what is if\u2013 the principled thing to do. Unless they<\/i> know of something coming up, which is the unknown, unknown, unknown, unknown. They do know that we met with Jagan, \u2018cause they told exact hour we met with him in the morning.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> They also told us the CIA was at our program.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The CIA was at our program?<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> That\u2019s what\u2013 (unintelligible under radio), agree with them, (unintelligible word) I think another\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The CIA was at our program. The Soviets have warned us.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> \u2013said that the CIA (unintelligible)\u2013 the other thing. I might transcribe the tape, because Maria [Katsaris] and I may have gotten different things. They said that uh, they thought we were too direct and that\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

(Radio interference)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Just asked them that, huh? Said our speeches were too direct, the CIA might harm us. (Short laugh) Ain\u2019t this the shits? Remember that. CIA might harm us. Who gives a shit? (Pause) Goddamndest mess I ever did see.<\/p>\n

Male 23:<\/b> \u2013 (unintelligible beginning)\u2013 take a long time, but some days it takes thirty seconds on a case (unintelligible word). Might take days to get an answer. I really think that they\u2013 they ought to get an answer\u2013\u00a0they can\u2019t answer that before. It has to go all the way\u2013 (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s already on its way to Moscow.<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/b> They said (unintelligible under radio)\u2013 didn\u2019t not give enough details such as the numbers of people uh, our financial status, the purpose of wanting to go, what do we want to do, and he said to anticipate a hundred questions and try to answer the questions along (unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Briskly) Well, get the fuckin\u2019 questions to us if\u2013 we\u2013 we want to know what questions we\u2013 we need to answer, that uh, to\u2013\u00a0to go, we can give them uh, some (unintelligible phrase), she can give you some idea of that, uh, carefully, I want that to go\u2013 I want to be sure that that goes through\u2013 say, we got no security when we\u2019re talking about this kind of shit. It\u2019s into the millions. We all<\/i> went through that, and how many questions they want answered, uh, so we can get this cleared up, so we have<\/i> this option of leaving the Soviet Union. What do we want to do? Fuck, be free. I don\u2019t give a shit if I\u2013 I clean shit<\/i> in a pigpen<\/i>, or they can put me in jail<\/i> in Soviet Union, if there uh, any question at all that I\u2019m wanting to build a movement, uh, outside of the Soviet Union. I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t give a goddamn. Anything to get my people some freedom.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They got<\/i> the bibliography, they got the chronology on us already, I\u2019ve\u2013 I\u2019ve written that. That\u2019s sent in. Reviewed that and gone. It\u2019s on to Moscow. It\u2019s the shits, man, this is the shits. These people gotta realize that time\u2019s of the essence. Okay, what is it now, uh, Joe, what\u2019d Joe decide? Is he working and gone die, or what\u2019s he gone do?<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> (soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Male 24:<\/b> Go back to (unintelligible word). We\u2019re gone go through the rest of the line, and go back to\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, we\u2019re gone go back to Joe after he thinks about it. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Woman 9:<\/b> I\u2013 I don\u2019t understand much about\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I didn\u2019t catch it, didn\u2019t catch it.<\/p>\n

Woman 9:<\/b> What you\u2019re talking about, but whatever I can help do, I would be willing to help.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible under radio) This is artificial. We are tal\u2013\u00a0Shut up and uh, talk louder please.<\/p>\n

Woman 9:<\/b> I said, I don\u2019t understand much about what they\u2019re talking about. But whatever\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2013 you don\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Woman 9:<\/b> Whatever it is, I\u2019ll be willing to help anybody do anything to help.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Woman 9:<\/b> Yeah\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All right.<\/p>\n

Male 25:<\/b> Will somebody please\u2013<\/p>\n

(unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, don\u2019t tell her that flat fo\u2013 flat-ass out like that. \u2018Cause we don\u2019t want an army com\u2013 coming in tomorrow. Shit. There ain\u2019t no army gonna come here tomorrow.<\/p>\n

Male 26:<\/b> I didn\u2019t know she was (unintelligible)\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I know, I know he didn\u2019t know that, so that\u2019s why I wanted her<\/i> to know, that you didn\u2019t know, so she doesn\u2019t repeat the error. Shh. And some of the rest of you that didn\u2019t talk, there\u2019re some names here that we\u2013\u00a0any\u2013 any name that you want to talk so we can talk here quickly, to get \u2018em\u2013 to get \u2018em to talk. Anybody in this audience that you see that\u2019s quiet\u2013 \u2018cause the last group that came in, some of them were not<\/i> asked the specific solutions. They\u2019d die, yes, but. Now we\u2019re down to\u2013 the only other time it\u2019s been this bad was in September. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 27<\/b>:<\/b> Uh\u2013 I\u2019m for staying here and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shh. Quiet.<\/p>\n

Male 27:<\/b> I\u2019m for staying here and not\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Talk a little louder.<\/p>\n

Male 27:<\/b> I\u2019m for staying here and not running through the jungle. If somebody wants to come in and fuck what I\u2019m laying, I\u2019m for staying here and dying.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. (Pause) Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. What was sister gone say?<\/p>\n

Woman 10 [Princeola Bryant?]:<\/b> I\u2019m uh, willing to stay here and fight. Whatever I can do. I\u2019m willing. I stay here. I won\u2019t go away. I stay here and do whatever I can.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, darling.<\/p>\n

Woman 11:<\/b> Yeah, uh, tonight\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Gotta set her by the speaker. Tell her to always seat\u2013 uh, will you uh, tell her, uh, Julius [Evans], that she ought to give herself always the best speaker, and ask the usher to get her by a speaker. \u2018Cause she can\u2019t hear, and she oughta always be right by the speaker. Go ahead. (unintelligible phrase)\u2013 Princeola Bryant.<\/p>\n

Woman 11:<\/b> Yeah, (unintelligible under Jones)\u2013 Tonight, myself, I feel like dying for the cause because I believe<\/i> in it, and if\u2013 if anybody came to invade us, I\u2019d be willing to fight and die. But on the other hand, I do think that some people should take uh, pave a way through uh, jungle, so that the only true form of socialism could continue to exist if possible. And if something interfered with that, that I (unintelligible word under radio) that we should all be willing to die.<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> Well, the thing is that\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019d you say again now? I\u2019m just\u2013 I missed it.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> (unintelligible word) speak up\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m sitting on sit of (mimics sounds of muffled speech). That\u2019s what\u2019s coming over our heads here.<\/p>\n

Woman 11:<\/b> Okay, I was saying, Dad, tonight I feel like dying. I don\u2019t mind dying for the cause, because I believe<\/i> in it. And I do feel that there\u2019s a need for some people to pave their way through the jungles for refuge or whatever, so that the only true form of socialism can continue to exist. And if something happened or interfered, you know, along the way, if the enemy came through the jungle, uh, everyone should be willing to die. Fight.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> Well, what\u2013 whatever we gone do, we gone do (unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You can\u2019t leave nobody back.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> Ain\u2019t nobody gone be (unintelligible under radio) in the jungle. Either we all<\/i> go in the jungle or we all gone stay here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause you know why he says that? You know why he says that, don\u2019t you? (Pause) Do you know why he says we all have to\u2013 No, no, let her talk about it. You know why he says that? And he hadn\u2019t been on P.C., and you have.<\/p>\n

Woman 11:<\/b> I would imagine um\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What? Please<\/i> talk out. Please<\/i> don\u2019t make (slurred word)\u2013 any of you have to tell you this. We can\u2019t hear. Please. What is it, sweetheart?<\/p>\n

Woman 11:<\/b> I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t really know, Dad.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> What? Think, (unintelligible name \u2013 Sounds like \u201cRose\u201d), and I\u2019ll bet\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You don\u2019t know why we\u2019d all have to go together? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 11:<\/b> Well, it\u2013\u00a0it would be a possibility if we didn\u2019t<\/i> all go together, uh, I would imagine there\u2019s some of the people that would stay back or some that would go, they\u2013 they wouldn\u2019t be strong enough to carry on. Whatever.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You guys ought to be cynical and listen to your dad\u2019s mind, that\u2019s why I put guards and everybody walks all around, they\u2019re liable to (emphatic) commit treason. Treason. (normal tone) If not, somebody catch \u2018em and put them through chemicals and get \u2018em to lie<\/i> on us. If we\u2019re gonna die, we better all die together<\/i>. Or we\u2019re gonna live, we better all live together, because if we out there and did<\/i> die, the son of a bitches that stayed here could be twisted<\/i> and torn and put under pressure, tortured\u2013 or some of you wouldn\u2019t have to torture, all they have to do is just lift your fist up, and uh, they\u2019d\u2013 they\u2019d lie and our historical demonstration would be\u2013 would be damaged. What we were going to do<\/i>, our demonstration would be damaged, would it not?<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Woman 11:<\/b> Well, under those circumstances, like I said before, I don\u2019t mind dying, and I do like the idea of some being delegated to take care of some of the enemies.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes, that\u2019s good. Mark her name down. (Pause) I think you could take\u2013 (unintelligible under radio) What would you do after you took care of the enemies?<\/p>\n

Woman 11:<\/b> Commit uh, revolutionary suicide so they wouldn\u2019t be able to to\u2013 torture me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Put her name down. (Pause) Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Older man 28:<\/b> Well, Dad, since we found the Freedom Land but I can\u2019t get to work and die for it. But I would suggest that we see that we going to uh\u2013 that we can\u2019t win the battle that we make our way through the jungle somewhere, if we all be together. That we would<\/i> stand a chance of escaping and building someplace else.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> What if we don\u2019t (unintelligible under radio)<\/p>\n

Older man 28:<\/b> Then I say we die.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> How?<\/p>\n

Older man 28:<\/b> Well, I just take\u2013 I just take (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But as long as we got some money, yeah\u2013<\/p>\n

Older man 28:<\/b> But I would rather die than\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, when I\u2019m talking please. We have so\u2013\u00a0we have, as I said, money to get us several months. And they block off our checks, we got money. We got cash. We got gold. We got some stuff we could sell. Money is universal language. It\u2019s universal, wherever you\u2019re at. Particularly the dollar still is, \u2018cause it\u2019s being upheld by a reactionary oil. What\u2019s the matter back there? What\u2019s the matter back there?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered voices)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s the\u2013 what\u2019s the condition there, please?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Scattered voices)<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> You\u2019re not Jim Jones. You turn around this way, please. Turn your heads\u2013<\/p>\n

(Radio)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that? Hmm?<\/p>\n

(Radio)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Mills)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. You\u2019d like to chance it through the jungle, then.<\/p>\n

Older Man<\/b> 28:<\/b> Yes, I would uh, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That means we\u2019d have to uh, might have to\u2013 We may have to make bargains with the tribes, we might have to war<\/i> with tribes. We might have to try to get what they have. After a while, we can buy<\/i>. We can buy through much of the area, but uh, after awhile comes to fighting our way to get what we want. And there won\u2019t be no aspirin tables for pain<\/i> after a while.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Mills)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Most of them. Most of them. But we don\u2019t have\u2013 Are we taking a lot of valium around here? I\u2019d hope not. Okay, br\u2013 my brother. Anybody but\u2013\u00a0ask, Reb, you\u2019re always good about any questioning. Interrogating. Go\u2013 Are you people interrogat\u2013 Go ahead. Yes, comrade.<\/p>\n

Male 29:<\/b> I would vote to stay here and fight and die that way.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Why not the other options? What about the other options that bother you?<\/p>\n

Male 29:<\/b> Why, they just didn\u2019t (unintelligible under radio).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2013 I missed it. Now, I\u2019m not objecting, I just want to thi\u2013 know your thinking. What\u2013\u00a0what of the\u2013 what about the ob\u2013\u00a0other objections, uh, like Soviet Union and Mozambique or whatever. (Pause) Or any<\/i> of them. Any of the other suggestions. What\u2019s you\u2013 what\u2019s your objection to them?<\/p>\n

Male 29<\/b>:<\/b> I don\u2019t really have any objections. It\u2019s just that I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Please talk louder, would you, please. Please. See, we\u2019re\u2013 right here we hear nothing but that m\u2013 malarkey.<\/p>\n

Male 29:<\/b> I have a little sore throat, and I\u2019m kinda hoarse so I can\u2019t talk very loud.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> Yell into the mike, dude.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> Shut up!<\/p>\n

Male 29:<\/b> I don\u2019t really have any objections to the other\u2013 thing, this is the\u2013 the way I voted, and just the way I feel.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> Uh, uh, how\u2013 how do you\u2013 how do you feel about uh, about the children? (unintelligible word) how do you figure we take care of the children, if we gone stay here and fight?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You got one, you\u2019d know.<\/p>\n

Male 29:<\/b> I certainly don\u2019t want\u2013 I don\u2019t want my daughter to fall in the hands of the fascists, and as much as I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If necessary\u2013 what would you\u2013 If necessary what would you do then?<\/p>\n

Male 29:<\/b> As much as I wouldn\u2019t like it, there\u2019s only one way to go. I would\u2013 She would have to be put to sleep.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. He said, put her to sleep. (Pause) Good. Your father\u2019s, he\u2013 your father\u2019s very humane. I\u2019ve thought through those things. I certainly will have a very humane pattern to do so. But if worse came to worse<\/i>, we\u2019d have to consider that no<\/i> means that\u2013 no<\/i> means, no<\/i> means, if a child was somewhat away from merm\u2013\u00a0from the procedure, no<\/i> means the child must be allowed to be tortured and put through the hell of what that is, because our<\/i> government took a young baby, Oblika\u2019s baby, six-year-old girl, beat<\/i> her half to death, and made her put the wire on his gonads, his penis and balls and cut \u2018em off, and he lay there for three days suffering and dying. No child should be made to go through that and then have to live<\/i> with that scar. None. (Pause) Quit worrying about that lady. I\u2019ll<\/i> take care of that lady. Will you, please? (Pause)<\/p>\n

Sandra:<\/b> I choose to uh, stay here and make a stand and fight and die if necessary.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> Okay. Wha\u2013 what about the other plan? Why\u2013 why you just choosing (unintelligible under radio).<\/p>\n

Sandra:<\/b> Uh, I have no objections to the others, I just uh, I think that\u2019s\u2013 that would be the best thing. \u2018Cause we\u2013 we built this place, and uh, we should try to keep it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Uh, go ahead\u2013 go ahead, Sandra.<\/p>\n

Sandra<\/b> (20\u2019s black):<\/b> I said that uh, I have no objections to the other plans, that we\u2013 we built this place up and I think we should try and keep it.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> What about the children?<\/p>\n

Sandra:<\/b> If it\u2019s necessary, I\u2019m willing to put them to sleep.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> It will<\/i> be necessary, if we get to that.<\/p>\n

Sandra:<\/b> Yeah. Uh, right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If we lost, it would be.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> All right.<\/p>\n

Woman 12:<\/b> Um. I would be willing to die, and I think we should stay here and fight, and die if need be. And um\u2013<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Woman 12:<\/b> No, I\u2019m not saying it just because I heard, you know\u2013<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> What is the other (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Woman 12:<\/b> Um, we should pave a way in the jungle, you know, but I think we should stay here and fight and\u2013 you know, like, if they come for us\u2013 if they come for us and some people can\u2019t go, you know, we still<\/i> just might have to die anyway.<\/p>\n

Tim Jones:<\/b> What about suicide?<\/p>\n

Woman 12:<\/b> Well, suicide\u2013 whatever. But\u2013<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> Well, not whatever.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Not suicide. Suicide\u2019s an immoral act. He didn\u2019t\u2013\u00a0I wanted to clarify. Su\u2013 suicide is immoral, it\u2019s a way to get you back, coming right back through the thing. Only revolutionary suicide is justified, when you consider that this is a\u2013 there\u2019s no way to make any moral sense out of\u2013 of uh, further fighting, because it\u2019d be maybe black people having to kill black people that they\u2019d use to come after us and we would lose our moral impact, and thus make a witness like other communists have made, and uh, the great leader of the revolution here made, first revolt of the slaves, fifty years before USA, or many, many more\u2013 a hundred<\/i> years before that here. Uh, do like Cuffy did, commit suicide. That\u2019s a revolutionary act. Rather than be taken prisoner, or go back into slavery. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 12:<\/b> Well, I think we should take a stand here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He asked you about revolution\u2013 Tim, my Tim [Timothy Tupper Jones] asked you about revolutionary suicide.<\/p>\n

Woman 12:<\/b> I don\u2019t think we\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Tim:<\/b> Give it some thought before you answer.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 12:<\/b> Well, if we\u2013 if we had\u2013\u00a0do you mean, just kill ourselves?<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> That deci\u2013 that deci\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Kill<\/i> ourselves, yes. Kill<\/i> ourselves.<\/p>\n

Woman 12:<\/b> Yeah? I mean\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All die. Tribes done it in Africa rather than be taken slaves. Indians have done it, rather than be slaves anymore. They just\u2013 we\u2013 they had enough of it. They just wiped their whole tribes out. There\u2019re tribes that did it in the\u2013\u00a0in\u2013\u00a0further on down in South America, rather than they\u2013 they all\u2013 they kill every baby that comes in, because they do not have any medical means, don\u2019t have any medical means of doing so. They\u2019re\u2013 They kill all<\/i> babies that come in, so that they will die out by natural process. Shh. Please try to stay awake, please, please, please, please. It\u2019s bound to happen, all the White Nights we\u2019ve had.<\/p>\n

Reb:<\/b> You choose\u2013 You choose the other plan, what\u2013 uh, this plan, what about the other plans (unintelligible word), you\u2013 maybe you see something that we don\u2019t see, we\u2019d like to hear you say it, why you are choosing this one? Yeah. What\u2019s\u2013 what about the other one you don\u2019t<\/i> like. Going through the jungle, what about that one you don\u2019t<\/i> like.<\/p>\n

Woman 12:<\/b> I\u2019d go\u2013 Yeah, I\u2019d go through the jungle, if we had to go through the jungle. And I\u2019d fight\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If<\/i> I had\u2013<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/b><\/p>\n

Note: <\/em><\/b>This tape continues on Q 643<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted April 2006<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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