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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here.<\/a> To listen to MP3, click here<\/a>.
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Note: <\/em><\/b>This tape continues from Q 643<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She\u2019s a woman and\u2013 and a coordinator. She not electrician. Did you\u2013 Did you not know this?<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/b> When you said it\u2013\u00a0When you said that (unintelligible balance of sentence)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s exactly what she\u2019s asking.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/b> Yeah, we didn\u2019t shut it down.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/b> If we had shut it down, that would have helped. Definitely.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible name, sounds like \u201cLay\u201d), will you get your (unintelligible word), bureau and check for us, hon? (Pause) We gone have to raise Charlie [Touchette] in spite<\/i> of his fuckin\u2019 attitude back up out of a stroke<\/i>, I guess. (Pause) It\u2019s outrageous. You guys gotta get your shit<\/i> together. Sho\u2013\u00a0uh, it seems elementary you\u2019d shoulda turned the power off. (Pause) You\u2013\u00a0You get in there and get this\u2013 Uh, what\u2013 What do you wanna ask him? Quick, please.<\/p>\n

Male 4:<\/b> I\u2013 Didn\u2019t I hear the other day that there had to be some wiring that uh, redone up there because it was rewire\u2013\u00a0you guys wired it wrong the first time? Or you messed up the wiring down there? I thought I heard that on the P.A. or something.<\/p>\n

Male 5:<\/b> (unintelligible beginning) some bullshit, okay?<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/b> Okay. On the wiring down below, I had put some uh, some wiring in. I\u2019d thought it was temporary at the time, and it was too small. And, as far as what had had happened there, I believe\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Insistent) Give it some volume.<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/b> As far as what happened there, I believe it could\u2019ve uh, um, par\u2013\u00a0partially affected the windings because it uh, causes\u2013\u00a0with uh, too small wire, it would cause the windings to overheat, and\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay, okay, okay. (Pause) Try to get over there and get that pump. Uh, who\u2019s going to go and get\u2013 to get the other pump and wo\u2013 and uh, uh, who\u2019s gone\u2013 who\u2019s gone do this?<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/b> Well, I was planning to go\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/b> Chuck [Kirkendall] and uh, and Stanley.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Who\u2019s going?<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/b> Chuck\u2019s going, but Chris [Rozynko] talked with Stanley\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Chris and Chuck and Karl [Barnett] going.<\/p>\n

Unknown male:<\/b> Karl\u2013<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> In times of cri\u2013\u00a0try\u2013 crisis, Stanley\u2019s been noted with\u2013 whether his motivation or not<\/i>, to have lots of trouble. We uh, damn near had a White Night over him being charged with uh, murder<\/i>. So I don\u2019t want him running out on no fucking tractor under no<\/i> circumstances. So quit mentioning his name when I sa\u2013\u00a0uh, just don\u2019t do it. It no reflection against him. But that\u2019s just the way it is. Then we went through the damn dog the next time. It was all se\u2013\u00a0se\u2013\u00a0set-up, but the\u2013 (unintelligible) person set-up is a blond-headed boy. (Taps mike) Okay, get over there and tell \u2018em what kind of a motor to try to get us procured. The middle of this shit. Ask them, by the way, ask them if they got that thing, it was sent in te\u2013\u00a0tend to these papers from the tax people which in (unintelligible word) didn\u2019t bother to tell me. See if that\u2019s been sent, if they got<\/i> it, and if it was uh, forwarded on to the United States.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>(too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (stumbles over words) Yeah, thank you, United States Embassy first, but you guys all gotta think of this. You standing around, been hearing this, you gotta think and ask these questions.<\/p>\n

Male 7:<\/b> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Additional what?<\/p>\n

Male 7:<\/b> One time you were talking about things like blood press\u2013 (mike cuts off) (unintelligible sentence) when the boat comes back, (unintelligible phrase) bags with them, \u2018cause we don\u2019t have any bags.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Empty bags?<\/p>\n

Male 7:<\/b> Empty bags.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah, ask them, yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yes. Yes, Julius [Evans].<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> Okay, uh, I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t agree with running from any (unintelligible word) and I don\u2019t agree with running from a fight. First off. But if uh, it comes down to where we fighting guards with knives \u2013 and that\u2019s the way it probably would be, because we don\u2019t have enough equipment, enough iron<\/i> to fight with \u2013\u00a0I figure that uh, we should equip ourselves, or else go to the jungle. And if we\u2013 if we not going to go to the jungle tomorrow, I think that we should send people out there and make a way, for we will<\/i> have a way to get through the jungle (unintelligible word under Jones).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re doing that.<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> That is being done. Okay. So that\u2019s my\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now\u2013<\/p>\n

Ingram:<\/b> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> What I<\/i> would do, if I\u2013 if\u2013 if it was just me<\/i> is a different thing. Now I just came over to work, okay? People have been here, they work, they build this place up, I wouldn\u2019t dare run away from all we built up.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that, hon?<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> I wouldn\u2019t dare run away and leave uh, all that we\u2019ve built up here behind. I would rather stay here and die. If it came to that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Uh, don\u2019t let us underestimate our first ra\u2013 wave, though. We got some tactical strategies, we had them built so we\u2019d get the first wave that came in, we\u2019d have some uh, automatic\u2013 we\u2019d have some machine guns and uh, we\u2013 we could get some shit. And we got some\u2013\u00a0we got better, hi\u2013 more high-powered, longer range somethings than they have. So we\u2019re not totally<\/i> defenseless. By no means. But I agree with you, that we don\u2019t have everybody equipped. Would to goodness we had. But we\u2019re\u2013 we\u2019ve got enough firepower to make some use\u2013 but we better get some tactical stuff done\u2013 planning on that tomorrow, because one\u2019ll be gone out there. And we gotta<\/i> have a way to get a hold of them.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Tactical, how to use a Molotov cocktail, and so forth. (stumbles over words) the battle strategy.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s one bad thing about Steve [Stephan Jones] going on the bull\u2013 the bulldozer. I see that\u2019s a bad mistake.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Can\u2019t they\u2013\u00a0Can\u2019t they handle that goddamn bulldozer?<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft, Al Simon\u2019s name mentioned)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Can Al Simon go out there? \u2018Cause if anybody leads a tactical squad to\u2013 to be there, to\u2013 to ambush\u2013 So what I hear from you<\/i> guys \u2013 it\u2019s not my opinion \u2013 from what I hear from you\u2013 you guys is Steve\u2019s a crack a shot? Is that true?<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Male 8:<\/b> The only thing (unintelligible word) Cat, but Mike Touchette can drive it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, they better do it then. Better talk to him. Where he\u2013 Is\u2013 Better talk to him about that.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (unintelligible word) better explain it, because I\u2013 I oughta be in the position that to bend to that\u2013 well, whatever. To\u2013 to ambush, to take\u2013 take shit. \u2018Cause we take shit, then we can move. \u2018Cause they\u2013 they\u2019d be a little more reluctant to come after us with some more automatic equipment. (Pause) Well, I bet if some of the people knew they gone get in on this kinda shit, they\u2019da jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. (Laughs) And I tell you, I didn\u2019t intend for you to get any of this shit, but I knew one thing, we had to be true. And I tried to give you peace. I tried to give you peace and security. But you sure didn\u2019t have no peace there, and you didn\u2019t have anything to live for or<\/i> die for.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. Peace. Now\u2013<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> Someone asked what would I do after the first round? Okay, well, the first round will come down anyway, whether we here or in the jungle, I feel. So we gonna have to make a stand either here or uh, in the jungle, (unintelligible under interruption by Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> There\u2019s only one thing I\u2019d say, Julius, that in the jungle, it\u2019s one hell of a task to follow us, if we use some sense. It is a fo\u2013 the\u2013\u00a0a lot of these folks are scared, locals<\/i> are scared. The people, uh, due to the f\u2013 the uh, old adage of, of the agricultural syndrome being connected with slavery, they occupied around the cities, a lot of these soldiers are scared shitless of that jungle, they\u2019re scared of snakes, and most of us are not. The few that are\u2013 the few who are, we\u2019ll uh, eat them and<\/i> the snakes. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

One voice:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

(Aside too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hmm? You agree with that? (Pause) Karl Barnett, come by behind the pavilion, we\u2019ve got the first one to cook. (Short laugh) Go ahead. Hell, we been through it. We shot \u2018em and we ate \u2018em, uh, the other time round.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And that\u2019s (stumbles over words) fuckin\u2019 truth. Go on, honey.<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> Okay\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And everybody thought they had\u2013 they\u2013\u00a0some thought they had beef, some thought they had chicken, some thought they had fish. (Pause) (Laughs)<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

Woman\u00a0 1:<\/b> (unintelligible beginning) teeth, too.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Woman\u00a0 1:<\/b> (unintelligible beginning) teeth.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Freeze Dry [Kivin Smith] knew he had teeth, yeah. One sister, it kind of bothered her, was when in the\u2013 was when the tooth was in the soup. There\u2019s this one sister said, I didn\u2019t mind uh, taking that soup<\/i>, she said, but when that eye bobbed up, and looked at me\u2013 (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calls out) Ah, shit on you hypocrites. You already\u2013 You already with a bunch of cannibals, so fuck you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughs, scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How many of\u2013\u00a0how many of us were here? How many of us were here? We were here, honey. And we\u2019re just as saved as you are. (Pause) Didn\u2019t know what else to do with the sonofabitches.<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/b> Tastes good.<\/p>\n

2nd voice:<\/b> Little barbeque\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That bother you? Anybody bothered by that?<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> High grade of protein.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Somebody back there wants to ask Patty Par\u2013\u00a0Patty Parks, how you feel about eatin\u2019\u2013 eatin\u2019 somebody if we ge\u2013 kill one of the sonsabitches. They never come and ask for them.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Somebody want to know, that you, you, you, you know, you\u2019re not to express any opinion. How you feel if we get the, the\u2013 they had a white man come in here and tried to stab one of our people, tried to catch him, and it w\u2013 worked out that he<\/i> got it.<\/p>\n

Scattered in crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How you feel about eatin\u2019 him, if we get another one tomorrow? That\u2019s the last one.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Come on, Patty, just speak it out. I don\u2019t know\u2013\u00a0I\u2019m not asking the questions, somebody else wants to know the answer. What\u2019d she say?<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If she f\u2013\u00a0hungry enough, she probably eatin\u2019 him, and he got no choice.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Woman\u00a0 2:<\/b> Tastes a little different\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So you want to\u2013 What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Woman\u00a0 2:<\/b> It tastes a little different, it\u2019ll be a (unintelligible word) (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Nobody never knew\u2013 Nobody knew the difference. Nobody knew the difference, and nobody got sick at their stomach or anything. That\u2019s true. In fact, they\u2019ve all felt good, said, Da\u2013 oh Dad, that was a good meal. Said, Reb\u2019s [James Edwards] cookin\u2019 up an awful good meal back there.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Huh. Shit. (unintelligible word) over there, and if there\u2019s anything left of me, you be sure and cook me, don\u2019t waste me.<\/p>\n

(Conversation too soft)<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> Okay, uh, I was\u2013 I was standing in line thinking that uh, there\u2019s a lot of people observing (unintelligible under Jones interruption)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now hold it. I\u2013 If some of you people is so goddamn funny about that, that don\u2019t mean\u2013 it isn\u2019t just us black folks. I believe a whole lot of white capitalist, the best sports team from Chile go\u2013 or Argentina, going across to Chile, and they got co\u2013 hooked up there in the goddamn Andes, and I believe they ate each other, and they didn\u2019t even bother to cook it, they ate it froze. They ate it raw, they ate all their dead teammates raw. Some, their own wives, and some of them, their own brothers. And the fuckin\u2019 white folk that settled in California, when they went across Donner\u2019s Pass, they all had to each\u2013 eat each other there, and they cooked \u2018em and killed some of \u2018em. Don\u2019t talk to me about none of this, don\u2019t act like this white religious shit to me. Everybody\u2019s got this white religious shit till it comes time to eat the flesh and drink the (draws out word) blood. And that\u2019s what Jesus said. Jesus did say it. The Lord Jesus did say it. He said, they eat my flesh and drink my blood. I ain\u2019t found his, but if we find some of them fuckers\u2013 (Pause) If you eat people, they\u2019ve got a long way to go, I mean, they got a long way to go. You can tell when you touch on this shit. That\u2019s what Jesus said, (Cries out) eat of my flesh and drink of my blood. Did he not?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, I can\u2019t find his, so why won\u2019t somebody else\u2019s do?<\/p>\n

Scattered<\/b>: Right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We may\u2013 we got somebody back here, we got somebody back here in the back of the building all ready. How many\u2013\u00a0uh, how many are going to eat him tomorrow?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Responds)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How many are not<\/i> going to eat him?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Responds)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How many not going to eat him? Put your hand up. \u2018Cause we\u2019re gone\u2013 you\u2019re going to join the pot too. (stumbles over words) Okay. Here\u2019s a sister over here. Join her.<\/p>\n

Unknown male:<\/b> She gone eat him?<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She said, eat him. Okay, that\u2019s good. She changed.<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> Okay, so uh\u2013 could you uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> This is the last.<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> What was that? What was the question? Oh yeah, after the\u2013 after the\u2013 after the first shot is fired, I figured we gonna have to, you know\u2013<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> Yeah, well, we\u2019re going to have to get our shit together either way it goes down.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What was that? What\u2019d you say, Julius?<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> I say\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> I was just tellin\u2019 him, uh, we gone have to get our shit together either way it goes down, you know. It\u2019s either fight or flight. (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Fight or flight. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> And I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t believe in flight, and I believe in standing in and<\/i> fighting, you know. And I think you know, worked har\u2013 too hard, and the people that\u2019s been here with<\/i> you workin\u2019, I think, we been working too hard to be running from these suckers. You know.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s a point, it\u2019s a point, but I\u2013 I\u2013 he\u2013\u00a0he who\u2013 what is that old saying, a great revolutionary said? He who learns to run away lives to fight another day.<\/p>\n

Male 10:<\/b> I wanted\u2013 Let me ask\u2013 let me say this. If we elect to stay here and fight\u2013 (unintelligible under crowd noise)<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> If we st\u2013 if we elect to stay here and fight, we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll win one thing, that is that we\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019ll let you sing when the (unintelligible word under laughter) (Laughs) You say, blowin\u2019 in the wind, they\u2019ll think we gone crazy. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> No, no, (unintelligible word) love. (Laughs) But anyway\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shit, (unintelligible). We conquered\u2013 we conquered San Francisco, we conquered this hill, hell, we can conquer a few more.<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> But uh, I\u2019m thinkin\u2019 that uh, if we stay here, we will\u2013 we will win one thing. We\u2019ll win the fight that we weren\u2019t coward, and we believed in what we believed in to death.<\/p>\n

Male 11:<\/b> And would history in\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, we have uh\u2013\u00a0we have one bit of encouraging news. The attorney general\u2019s [Griffin Bell] not on our ass, the United States\u2019 at this point, but we still got the battle to win here.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All right, let\u2019s say\u2013 let\u2019s say, he\u2019s backed off of our ass for the time being, \u2018cause I\u2013 our t\u2013 San Francisco church follows instructions, and workin\u2019 night and day, and they\u2013 all their meetings now is letter-writing, telephone callin\u2019 and draggin\u2019 their dead grandmothers up out of the grave to sign\u2013 uh, sign letters. We got some shit you wouldn\u2019t believe. Going through taverns and catchin\u2019 \u2018em drunk. (Laughs) (Calls out) Hey, glory! (Glossolalia, but may be sardonic; sounds like \u201cfuckamo, sackamo, eatamo\u201d) I don\u2019t want to suckamo, but we will eatamo.<\/p>\n

One voice:<\/b> Right on.<\/p>\n

2nd voice:<\/b> Oh yeah, oh yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) Okay, Julius. You gone be our\u2013 you gone be our war singer.<\/p>\n

Julius:<\/b> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Fine. Stand up. First breakfast, ten. First breakfast, ten, the second breakfast, eleven. And be your ass in here\u2013 be your ass in here at noon. Don\u2019t move out of your line. Okay? I\u2013 I think that gives us reasonable time for rest, doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I wouldn\u2019t try to all bathe tonight, you can bathe in the morning. Huh?<\/p>\n

Scattered: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Is that reasonable time, or does (unintelligible words<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All people go to the weapons\u2013 weapons arsen\u2013 (Calls out) Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold\u2013 Don\u2019t move your ass. Don\u2019t move your ass. Shoot \u2018em. (Pause) (Lower tone, intense) Get your fuckin\u2019 ass back there. Don\u2019t you dare break ranks here in a military emergency. Get your ass back in here.<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re not playing picnic tonight. (Pause) You people don\u2019t know\u2013 understand how it is to win a war. No wonder some people say here, stand and fight. But that\u2019s the reason\u2013 that\u2019s one of the reasons I say, maybe we better take a l\u2013 take a look at gettin\u2019 our people out or going into the jungle, because, sonofabitch, you don\u2019t know what it is to organize yourself in an\u2013\u00a0in a time of emergency. You don\u2019t just walk out like it\u2019s goddamn meeting closing. (Pause) Is ten o\u2019clock satisfactory?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> When we get back into the thing, if we win, (Pause) we\u2019ve won one point. But we got a lot more points to win locally. But to get the fucking attorney general off our ass right now is helpful. From the US. So the crazy nigger tactic works. It does work. It has worked many<\/i> times for us.<\/a> But don\u2019t be confident, over-confidence. That\u2019s what causes you trouble. And I\u2019m sick of you people ridin\u2019 in on me, doin\u2019 it. I think I said earlier, I\u2019d take care of that, as I recall. Anybody remember it?<\/p>\n

Scattered: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Uh-huh [Yes]. You remember, then put on the paper what words I said about it, \u2018cause I said it. If you heard it. You don\u2019t listen. Put your hand on your neighbor. (Pause) Whatever. The serious issue rests before us of having the local problem resolved. And you think<\/i> on it tonight. How many know the four alternatives that we\u2013 I mentioned? I mean, I mentioned I think about that. Seeking asylum by stopping work. Stopping work. Going on a fast or something of that sort. M\u2013 Letting them feel<\/i> that. At least stopping work. Asking for asylum in Russia, Cuba, or Mozambique. Our discussion goes on tomorrow. There may be something else that\u2019ll wander. Another alternative, stand here and fight. Get the equipment we can and hope we got enough time to go to the jungle. You can combine two at one, maybe. My own opinion is, if you want to be sure<\/i> to get into the jungle, get deep in before you start to fight. Carry your equipment with you, and use your heavy equipment as far as your fuel will take you. Stand here. We\u2019re buying a boat, hope we\u2019ve got enough days for the boat to get here. Perhaps you can go to the high seas on the boat. Equip it so that we can make them\u2013 like to make the world know, if they shoot us out of the water. That\u2019s<\/i> a possibility, \u2018cause the boat we\u2019re getting, if they get\u2013\u00a0move fast enough, would carry, what, 350 tons. It\u2019d carry all of us and\u2013 three times this. You hear what I\u2019m saying. I\u2019ve ordered them to buy it. Now what was the other alternatives? Mozambique? Find out what\u2013 you better look at the fuckin\u2019 map now, so maybe some of you\u2019ll be concerned, \u2018cause your ass might be over there. (Pause) Hmm? Maybe you better find Cuba now, or know where it\u2019s at.<\/p>\n

(Organ plays briefly in background)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Did I cover all the alternatives? Or just say that there\u2019s nothing moral we can do, but to lay our lives down, and see if we can trust a brigade to go back and help our people there, \u2018cause our people already know that possibility. I (unintelligible word) it out to them. Because I believe in being honest with my people back there. I leveled it with them. I level with a s\u2013\u00a0a skeleton crew, but I\u2019m ordering it little by little, it got through. And I\u2019d think you\u2019da known something was up when they were shootin\u2019<\/i> at me over here. Huh?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You surely musta known something<\/i> was up over there in those days. And they haven\u2019t shot at us. It\u2019s been long\u2013\u00a0many a month. Except for those little, coupla incidents. So my loves, you have the alternatives, if I got\u2013\u00a0if I covered those alternatives to think about. What was the other one?<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

Woman\u00a0 3:<\/b> Burning their bodies in Georgetown or Washington, D.C., which I wrote you a note and said I\u2019d like to\u2013 (unintelligible under Jones interruption)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes. Burning, yes. You\u2013 you wrote a note. Burning your body in Washington, D.C. to bring attention to us? That\u2019s a possibility. Or something in Georgetown or somewhere or both. (unintelligible phrase)\u2013 now we\u2019re going to have the band, the military, you got your military units secured, so they\u2019ll be sure to be around up here to be in here? I don\u2019t know why we can\u2019t get up at 10:30 first, 11:30 and be in here at 12. Hmm?<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. Okay. What were you playing? (unintelligible word). Everybody has<\/i> to go straight home. What\u2019s your pick right off, Harris [John Harris, aka Peter Holmes], what would you pick, out of those alternatives?<\/p>\n

(Organ plays in background)<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/b> I think I\u2019d uh, pick uh, making a stand in the jungle.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. (Pause) Well, we\u2019re a long way from all that. We won one major thing. So we\u2019ve got day\u2013 (stumbles over words) something could happen all of a sudden. We\u2019re stepping up, speeding up, and getting the people. We gotta think about him, and I want uh, some more feedback on what is with his wife. I uh, want \u2018em\u2013 I\u2019m stepping up, people, I\u2013 I\u2013 right in the middle of this tonight, when I was woozy drunk, I remember asking \u2013 \u2018cause I didn\u2019t forget for a minute \u2013 I asked about that<\/i> privately, and I asked uh, openly about Versie Perkins\u2019 daughter [Angela Connesero]. Didn\u2019t I? Right in Oregon. I was so goddamn drunk as a skunk. Did you tell your neighbors enough? You better hold to high thoughts, now. Mind can help us along here, if it\u2019s a socialist orientation. So tell your neighbor three more. If you can\u2019t think of three, work at it, baby. You ought to be able to. Little Isaac Edwards.<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> What are you\u2013 What are you playing?<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations for several moments)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman\u00a0 4:<\/b> (Sings) All this we have seen\/ Now we alwa\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2013problem, never had any flu until people got afraid over conflict of death or life. When you conquer death, the fear of it, you won\u2019t have any of these troubles. You hear what I\u2019m saying? If I had no conflict over it, shit, it was always with you, you just looked at it now. And when you look<\/i> at it, one said, 2000 years ago, I looked<\/i> at the last enemy, death. And I overcame it. Neither\u2013 what? Death? Nor the grave. Nothing<\/i> has any dominion over me. It\u2019s lost its dominion. Oh death, where is thy victory? Oh grave, or old\u2013 I\u2019ve got a little sho\u2013 shout around here. Huh? Oh death, where is thy sting? Oh grave, where is thy victory? You can\u2019t<\/i> have any victory over a communist.<\/p>\n

(Scattered response)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I love you, and you\u2019ve grown stronger, and when we do build a revolution, it\u2019ll be a right<\/i> one, because we started without dreams that were pipe<\/i> dreams. We didn\u2019t have illusions. We didn\u2019t have hallucinations. It was based on reality. Sorry for White Nights, but at least, if the sonsabitches come, let\u2019s use them for good. Thank you. I love you. I love you. I love you.<\/p>\n

(Organ)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> All go to your homes immediately, no other place. And don\u2019t shove over people. First group will be getting up at 10:30 by the whistle. You\u2019ll be gotten up by military, but you\u2019ll be also gotten up by the\u2013 by the whistle.<\/p>\n

(Scattered conversations)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

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Part 2:<\/b><\/p>\n

Preacher: <\/b>(unintelligible beginning) You\u2019re determined whether your clothing through the\u2013 the husband, who is a man. Whether you do (unintelligible phrase), but the genealogy<\/i> or the tribe<\/i> is determined through the men. Now if this is so, how can Jesus be the Messiah, if he\u2019s the son of God? Unless God is a descendant of David, which is ri\u2013 ridiculous. You can\u2019t say it. You can\u2019t have it both ways. Either he is the son of David, and not of God, or\u2013 or uh\u2013Mary really fooled around, and it wasn\u2019t immaculate conception, but if you believe in the immaculate conception, you cannot<\/i> say from the House of David. So that\u2019s a contradiction in Christianity on the prophecy of Isaiah and Jeremiah (unintelligible phrase). There\u2019s one\u2013 I\u2019ve never been answered on this, by the way. They\u2019ve given me answers on other things, but not (unintelligible conclusion)<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> But what about the Pharisees, the Sagasees, or whatever you call it\u2013<\/p>\n

Preacher: <\/b>Sagusees\u2013<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> Producees, and the Essenes (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Preacher: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Female:<\/b> Okay, now what is this Mary and Joseph, I\u2013 they supposedly came from one of those.<\/p>\n

Preacher: <\/b>Oh, that I don\u2019t (unintelligible word). I don\u2019t know. (Pause) What then does the Hanukah (unintelligible word) teach us about the Messiah. What truth do we learn? When the Messiah arrives, (unintelligible phrase), the uh, the uh, what do you call it, the (unintelligible under other conversation). 2:14. The Messiah arrives, Israel will rejoice for God will have (unintelligible word) dwell in their midst. 2:15. Many nations will be joined to the Lord that day. They will be my<\/i> people, and I shall dwell in your midst. Israel will be restored to its holy land. (unintelligible) Then follows an episode that\u2013 in which the messianic people would call the brand plucked from the fire, which means that they will have fire from the state of Israel, there will have been a tremendous disaster that has felled the Jewish people. (unintelligible sentence) for everlasting presence. Three, one through six.<\/p>\n

Male<\/b>: What do you think that relates to?<\/p>\n

Preacher: <\/b>I\u2013\u00a0I think it relates to (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Several exchanges unintelligible<\/p>\n

Preacher: <\/b>So that\u2013\u00a0by the way, there\u2019s other quotes we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll get to (unintelligible), so that a stage of purification may lead to the enduring messianic fulfillment. Israel will implicitly obey God\u2019s law. Three, seven through eight. Then indeed will Israel walk among the angels and be men worthy of the miracles, again emphasizing the universal aspect of the messiah, 3:9, that will affect all<\/i> of mankind. All<\/i> of mankind will get this universal peace, they will all benefit from it. Then every man will sit safely under this big tree, 3:10. From the above passages, and further ones in the (unintelligible word) Torah, we see that the chief features of the Messiah are the following four: One, his rule of truth and goodness will extend over all of\u00a0 mankind. We are very democratic, (unintelligible for several moments).<\/p>\n

(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Female<\/b> 2:<\/b> He\u2019s the authority, now\u2013<\/p>\n

Preacher: <\/b>(unintelligible)<\/p>\n

(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Preacher: <\/b>He came to my house in Elyria (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

(Laughter)<\/p>\n

Preacher: <\/b>No, he uh, came in and he said he wanted to convert to Judaism, and he\u2019d spoken to the rabbi before me, and the rabbi before me turned him down, and so we\u2019re talking, and I said, well, (unintelligible clause), and he was shocked<\/i>. Said, we don\u2019t believe in Jesus. (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Female<\/b> 2:<\/b> Yeah, that\u2019s what they say. But I can\u2019t believe that Mahatma Gandhi is (tape break-up)<\/p>\n

(unintelligible exchanges)<\/p>\n

End of side 1<\/b><\/p>\n

Side 2<\/b><\/p>\n

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Tape originally posted April 2006<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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