{"id":27552,"date":"2013-06-16T00:20:57","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:20:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27552"},"modified":"2014-04-08T22:22:09","modified_gmt":"2014-04-08T22:22:09","slug":"q709","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27552","title":{"rendered":"Q709 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Part I:<\/strong><\/p>\n

(Newscast, first items unrelated to Peoples Temple)<\/em><\/p>\n

(Commercial)<\/em><\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> The leader of the Peoples Temple has been charged with ignoring court orders to relinquish custody of a five-year-old son of one of his former followers. The San Francisco attorney says he went to Guyana in South America where the Reverend Jim Jones has apparently relocated his Peoples Temple in an effort to arrange the return of John Stoen, the son of a woman [Grace Stoen] who left the church last year. Jeffrey Haas claims however that even though he had orders from courts in both in U.S. and Guyana directing Jones to relinquish custody of the youngster to his mother, his three-week stay in the South American country was unsuccessful. The boy\u2019s father [Tim Stoen], a former Assistant District Attorney in San Francisco, has been serving as a legal advisor to the Peoples Temple. He has now reportedly split with the church, but has not taken any active part in the custody fight. Attorney Charles Garry, who has been speaking for the Temple since Jones went to Guyana, claims the court order for the boy\u2019s return has been withdrawn.<\/p>\n

(Unrelated story follows)<\/em><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part II:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sandy Bradshaw:<\/strong> Marge?<\/p>\n

Marge: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Hi, this is Sandy Bradshaw, how\u2013 (tape cuts off)<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part III:<\/strong><\/p>\n

George Hunter:<\/strong> Hello.<\/p>\n

Sandy Bradshaw:<\/strong> Hi. Mr. Hunter?<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> This is Sandy Bradshaw from Peoples Temple.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Uh, I wanted to get back to you about uh\u2013 I guess Sharon Amos had called you uh, some time ago.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Yeah, it was uh, I think a week ago Sunday.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Right. Right. Uh, we were on uh, alert notice at that time, and uh, I wanted to thank you for standing by. The situation seems to have been resolved uh, somewhat down there uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Oh, I was under the impray\u2013 impression that uh, Jim had some statement to uh, make for the record, you see, uh, when the\u2013 when the girl called me. I could just assume, because she said they were trying to patch through a call from Guyana to uh, the lawyer\u2019s office.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Right. Right. Uh, we were on alert for a\u2013 a possible statement, uh\u2013 There had been\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> And I thought I wou\u2013 And I thought<\/em> it would relate to uh, attempts on his life.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> But that was just conjecture, you know.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> That\u2019s\u2013 Well, there had been. There had definitely been there, in two attempts that week, and the uh, conspiracy had apparently, from the looks of it, spread<\/em> down there, because there had been an illegal court order issued \u2013 uh, illegal by the advice of the top officials in that country \u2013 and it was a lower court judge uh, by, what we found out afterwards, had gotten uh, paid for making an order, so the\u2013 it seems like that there is some uh, big<\/em> money involved. We\u2019re not sure how it all ties in with the total conspiracy, but uh, we\u2019re\u2013\u00a0we\u2019re still investigating and uh, the order was since rescinded when it\u2013 the other top officials got back in the country uh, the following Monday, but yes, we were<\/em> ready for a statement to be made that weekend.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Yeah, now, is uh, Garry uh, contemplating in a\u2013 another press conference?<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Now, uh, that I don\u2019t know, but I\u2013 I do<\/em> believe he is uh, in the near future. I\u2019m not sure exactly when. But I know that\u2013 that he is planning on uh, having one at some time\u2013 some point in time, because uh, Mike [Prokes] was doing the\u2013 the filming of the project down there, and that was Mike\u2019s purpose for going down there, so we\u2019re still working on that. And uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Where is Tim Stoen?<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Tim Stoen is not here right now, but the article\u2013 I saw the article in the Press-Democrat<\/em>, and that is a bunch of lies. Tim Stoen\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Well, no, I wasn\u2019t\u2013 uh, I\u2019ll tell you, if I could just hew to the line here for a minute.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Sure.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 uh\u2013 What happened is, of course, Tim was up here, and I interviewed him. I got a picture.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Uh-huh [Yes], right.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> And uh, this is based on his suit against the uh\u2013 his intent to file suit against the Mendocino Grapevine<\/em> and\u2013 and possibly others. Now, I followed up about a week later, and I was informed by Pat Finnegan, who was representing Tim, that he had received a call from Vincent Hallinan announcing that uh, there would be no suit filed, and of course\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Pat Finnegan received a call from Vincent?<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Vincent Hallinan, yeah.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Who apparently is representing Tim in some respect down there. Otherwise I, you know, couldn\u2019t understand why he was making the call. So I was mighty curious to uh, talk to Tim, find out what happened.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Oh, I see. Yeah, I can see\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> It put me\u2013 You know, it put the paper in a very bad position.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I\u2013 I haven\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t know anything about that\u2013 that end of the suit or anything like that, but uh, the\u2013 the article that I saw in the Pet\u2013 Press-Democrat<\/em> really was distressing.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019d say I don\u2019t (short laugh) pay much attention to what the other rags write. (Laugh) I\u2019m more concerned [with] my own publication and\u2013 and I re\u2013 really was concerned about uh\u2013 because uh, you know, I hadn\u2019t\u2013 Not a call from Tim or anything else to explain.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Umm-hmm. Umm-hmm. Well, Tim has been traveling quite a bit, that I do know, but uh, uh, I don\u2019t know specifically what\u2019s happening with the lawsuit. I\u2019m not involved in that aspect of it.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s hard to\u2013 it\u2013 it\u2019s hard to divorce Tim Stoen, you know, from the church<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Oh, sure.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> I realize that he was proceeding<\/em> as an\u2013 as an individual<\/em> in\u2013 in this matter.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Correct.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> But (unintelligible word under Bradshaw) you know, but it is uh\u2013 it is difficult to uh, you know, separate him from the entire action, and so that\u2019s why I was curious about\u2013 as to his whereabout. Now he told<\/em> me at the time he left here<\/em> that he was planning going back to New York City.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Now, you got no idea where he is at all.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> No, the last I knew he was<\/em> in New York City, uh, and then I know he was getting\u2013 looking into different things needed for the project. Now beyond that, I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> And you don\u2019t know anything uh\u2013 uh, you don\u2019t know any reason uh, that would\u2019ve been behind uh, uh, Tim\u2019s apparent uh\u2013 apparently changing his mind.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> No, I don\u2019t. I don\u2019t. But I do<\/em> know his action was independent. It was not a church action.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Oh yes, that was\u2013 that was explained very carefully in the article that I wrote.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> But you obviously would know from talking<\/em> with him that\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> But I\u2019m curious, because, you see, I never\u2013 I never did receive any word from him personally<\/em> that he was contemplating this action, and I\u2019m getting it uh, secondhand from Hallinan to Pat Finnegan and back to myself, because I was pressing Pat about it. And then he was\u2013\u00a0Then he had no choice, he had to tell me at that time that\u2013 that he had received uh, notice from Hallinan that uh, there was no uh, suit contemplated, in other words, to drop it.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> But isn\u2019t it true that anytime in the future it can be picked up? I mean, aren\u2019t those\u2013 those kinds of things vague (unintelligible word under Hunter)<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Yeah, but you know, I\u2019ve had a long<\/em> close relationship with Tim Stoen. Naturally the editor of the newspaper and the assistant district attorney, you know, are going to know each other, and I\u2019ve had a long relationship with Tim, and I was, you know, just sorta disappointed that he didn\u2019t uh, get back to me, because he\u2013 you know, it put my paper in a bad position.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah, I understand.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Don\u2019t want to write on the front page, you know, that uh, he\u2013 he\u2019s gonna bring suit against Grapevine<\/em>, which at the moment happens to be uh, filing a suit against us<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Against you<\/em>?<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Why so?<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s the uh, uh\u2013 Antitrust suit. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Oh.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Because we have a large number of newspapers, of course, around the county. And uh\u2013\u00a0So it\u2019s an antitrust suit. And so uh\u2013 In a way\u2013 in a way, uh, when I<\/em> talked to Tim, he was incensed<\/em>. He was, you know, livid with rage. And uh, so as I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m mighty curious. I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t pa\u2013 It probably wouldn\u2019t do me any good to call Hallinan. He would just plead lawyer-client privilege. He probably wouldn\u2019t tell me a thing.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Well, the only thing I can uh, uh, think of is how much Jim has always supported freedom of the press. I mean, the\u2013 the first rights amendment, so I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Oh boy, I hardly think that\u2019s<\/em> appropriate.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Well, I don\u2019t know\u2013 Tim\u2019s reaction\u2013<\/p>\n

(talk over each other)<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> I\u2013 I should\u2013 I\u2013 No, I should think that the relationship that this newspaper\u2019s had with the church and with Tim would be paramount to even freedom of the press. And there wasn\u2019t any question in uh, Tim\u2019s<\/em> mind. He was uh\u2013 he was incensed<\/em>, and you know, uh, that\u2013 that\u2019s not the Tim I know, uh, I\u2019ve never seen him blow his cool<\/em> before. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Oh, yeah, (laughs) I\u2013 I haven\u2019t\u2013 I haven\u2019t talked to him since he came back. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> You know, that\u2013 You know, Tim is not\u2013 uh, by temperament, he\u2019s not the same person that he was when he uh, left here to go to San Francisco to uh\u2013 to uh, prosecute those uh, voter registration frauds. And I\u2019d say, he\u2019s a uh\u2013 and of course, I\u2013 you know, I\u2019m just talking, and I know and\u2013 I\u2019m putting you on the spot, uh, but uh, I can only ca\u2013 accomplish something by talking to Tim. But then again, I have no idea where to reach him. He left no word with uh, Finnegan, his local attorney, as to where he could be reached.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> How do you see that he\u2019s changed?<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Oh. (Pause) I don\u2019t know, he\u2013 he used a good deal more profanity than he ever did before.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Of course, the article against him was\u2013 was uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Oh, yeah\u2013<\/p>\n

(unintelligible, as two talk over each other)<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> I\u2019m just\u2013\u00a0I\u2019m just relating, you know, that\u2013 that uh, that I can uh\u2013 I can see a change. But uh, but as I say, I am\u2013 I\u2019m\u2013 I am certainly<\/em> curious as to what prompted uh, Tim to change his mind.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Um-hmm. Maybe he just second-thought along the way, I don\u2019t know, I haven\u2019t uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Second thoughts, or pressures from above. It could be either, you see.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Well, who do you think would be pressuring\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Well, I just don\u2019t know. I\u2019d hate to say. And I refuse to make any statement along those lines (laughs). But it has to be one or the other, obviously. Because there wasn\u2019t any question in his mind. It was just as baffling to his attorney as it was to me, so you see, I\u2019m not alone, and uh, so\u2013 It all comes back to the same thing. Just trying to find out where Tim is, I\u2019d give him a call.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah. Well, we certainly haven\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Well, if he hasn\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> \u2013weighed his mind one way or the other, so\u2013<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Yeah, okay. I\u2019ll tell you what. One of you\u2013 If he happens to wander in there, uh, would you have him get in touch with me? I\u2019d sure appreciate it.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> I\u2013 I sure will.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Yeah, or if he\u2019s in touch with you in any way, would you tell him I\u2019m extremely anxious to talk to him.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> And thank you (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Hunter:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

(Line disconnects)<\/em><\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted May 2013<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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