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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>. To listen to MP3, click here<\/a>.
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Side 1 <\/b><\/p>\n

Blank<\/p>\n

Side 2:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> This is Sharon Amos calling.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Hello?<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Hello, um. I\u2019m trying to get a hold of Liz [Forman]? She\u2019s ex\u2014 expecting to talk to me.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> All right. Uh, she can either be reached at 488-<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Wait a minute. 428.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> No, 488-<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Oh. 488-<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> 4422.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> 4422. Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Or she would be\u2014 (Pause) They might give a number.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Okay, um, but you think she\u2019d be 488\u2014 It\u2014 Where is that? In\u2014 In\u2014<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> La Juanitas [phonetic].<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Oh. That\u2019s in the 415 area code, isn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Yes, uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Okay, thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Okay. Bye.<\/p>\n

(Sound of dialing)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> (while waiting for phone to connect): \u2014called (unintelligible) for a job, and they said I shouldna done that. Very\u2014 Shh.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Hello.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Hello, Liz?<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Uhh-huh.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Yeah, this is Sharon.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Hi, Sharon.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> I just wanted to go over the things for the meeting Monday with you.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Okay. I don\u2019t have a pencil or nothing, and (unintelligible under interruption)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Well, you may not need it. We\u2014 Let me tell you what\u2014 what I\u2014\u00a0what I was supposed to relay to you.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Oh. Okay.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> First of all, Jim was very<\/i> supportive of the responses that you gave the social worker. He was really<\/i> pleased how you handled it. Really.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Really? Oh, I was worried. I was hoping that was okay.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> No, he wa\u2014 he\u2014\u00a0he felt that you took a lot of initiative in trying to calm the situation down, and keep it from being a hassle.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> And\u2014 and he was really pleased about that. And it\u2019s okay for uh\u2014 is\u2014 is this from you, or from us to you, that it\u2019s okay for Mac and uh, me to come? (Unintelligible under response)<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Well\u2014 no\u2014 at\u2014 well, see, here\u2019s the thing. I told Jean that\u2014 you know, at first she was very much against it. She didn\u2019t want it. She said, no, no, no, no, no. Then I said, well, um, (Pause) I just kept kind of gently pushing it. And then I\u2014 I finally said, well, would it be all right if you called Renee and asked Renee\u2014 \u2018cause she kept\u2014<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> (Aside) See who\u2019s at my doorway, would you?<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> She kept um\u2014<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Excuse me just a minute, I think there\u2019s someone knocking at my door. Okay, go ahead.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> She kept putting it on Renee, like, Renee only wants it for you. (unintelligible under interruption) between you and her.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Yeah, right, um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> I said, well, why don\u2019t we just ask Renee. Could you possibly ask<\/i> her? I said, she\u2014 well\u2014 Finally she said, well, why don\u2019t you<\/i>, meaning me, calling and ask her? I said, fine<\/i>. Now<\/i>, I didn\u2019t want to do<\/i> that, though, until I talked to you about it, (unintelligible under interruption) was a cool thing or not.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> So. Jean said, hold off, don\u2019t do it until we talk to Sharon, and\u2014 and some people, and we\u2019ll call you back.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Okay, well, what I<\/i> gather, because this\u2014 Jean gave me this message and then she left. What I<\/i> understand is that sh\u2014 that uh, Jim thought that the way the social worker had suggested of telling Renee you want to say goodbye, that Jim and you and Sharon want to say goodbye, would be the best way to contact her. Right? Was that sort of how the social worker\u2014<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Umm-hmm. That was the social worker\u2019s idea, yeah.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Yeah. Now, did you<\/i> tell us that the appointment is the six\u2014 the sixteenth at 10?<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Yeah. And I asked Jean if she was sure that we should do it on the sixteenth, to check that out too. (Beginning of next sentence unintelligible under Sharon)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Oh. I don\u2019t think there was any problem, because uh, the message I got\u2014 Jim is in Los Angeles, of course\u2014 but the message I got was it\u2019s okay.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Uh-huh. (Pause) Okay.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> So there\u2019s no problem to that, I mean\u2014<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Okay, then, what I\u2019ll do tomorrow morning is I\u2019ll call Renee and see how she feels about that. And if she says no, no, no, then the social worker will say no, no, no too.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Well, I think what you need to do then, if uh, she says no on both, try to at least get me in.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> (Pause) Okay.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Just say, remember Sharon, you used to like her\u2014 Well, she\u2019d like Mac more than me, but just make it look like I really want to say goodbye to her or something, I don\u2019t know. (Pause) Say Sharon really wanted to\u2014 (confidential tone) Maybe you should say Sharon had some\u2014 uh, something\u2014 no, that sounds something (unintelligible fade)<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Well, maybe I could say, well, I don\u2019t know if you knew us from there, but Sharon did a lot<\/i> of work with children, and she was very interested, and you might not have known that, she had a little goodbye<\/i> present she wanted to bring you.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Okay\u2014 If\u2014 If you\u2014<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Then we\u2019ll have to get her a present, though. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Oh, yeah, right. That\u2019s okay. But if\u2014 if\u2014 if you\u2014 you could say\u2014\u00a0She always used to act like she was really friendly to me, and you could say\u2014<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> She talked to everybody. She was inappropriately that way. You know what I mean. But\u2014<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Oh, I know. You could say Sharon really liked you. Try to see\u2014 Why don\u2019t you let me know\u2014 Or is it too late to call now, at 10:30?<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Oh, yeah, I wouldn\u2019t dare call her now.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Well, look, I won\u2019t be in town tomorrow, I\u2019ll be back at work. So, what do you want to do uh\u2014 I\u2019ll be in town this weekend, (pause) well, like Friday night, uh, well, as soon as I can get here. It\u2019ll take a while. I\u2019ll be here all weekend, I\u2019ll be here of course Monday\u2014<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Well, I have to go to Ukiah tomorrow anyway.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Oh\u2014 oh\u2014 oh\u2014<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> So I could call\u2014 I could call you at your job.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> All right?<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> There\u2019s no problem with that, but except that I might be out in the field, but what time will you be in Ukiah?<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> I don\u2019t know. I have no specific time. I just have\u2014<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> You know what you ought to do? Leave a message with Tim Carter.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Um, and\u2014 Where would I contact you?<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> (Pause) Um\u2014 What I\u2019d like<\/i> to do, actually, since I\u2019m<\/i> going to be there and you\u2019re<\/i> going to be there, is to see you sometime so I can give you some dog food and stuff.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Sure, that\u2019s fine with me.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Um\u2014<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> What do you want to do? Just to meet at lunchtime somewhere or what?<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> We could do that. (Pause) I\u2019ve got to make sure I\u2019m going to be there at lunchtime. What time is your lunch hour? Twelve?<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Well, but see, I\u2019m not\u2014 if I\u2019m out in the field, that\u2019s fairly flexible, but like twe\u2014 twelve-ish around, yeah, but, I\u2019m really flexible.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Uh\u2014 Couldn\u2019t make it for one, \u2018cause then (unintelligible under Sharon)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Yeah, I could. I think I could. Unless\u2014 Unless\u2014 See, I\u2019ve been away for three days. The only problem is if like they put on some pressure for me to stay in the office, and go out at a regular lunch hour.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Um-hmm. Well, why don\u2019t we do this? I\u2019ll come into town and call you at your office at one. And if it\u2019s good for you to come out, it\u2019s fine. If not, well, we\u2019ll set it for later in the\u2014 (unintelligible under Sharon)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Okay, now, listen, if I\u2019m not in my office, leave a message with Tim Carter. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Wi\u2014 wi\u2014 You won\u2019t be any place you can reach, in other words, you\u2019d be\u2014<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> I\u2019m just going to be around town doing errands and stuff.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Oh. Hmm.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Umm\u2014<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Wait a minute. I\u2019ll<\/i> just be in my office at one. That\u2019ll have to be the way, \u2018cause otherwise, it\u2019ll just be too hard to make contact.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Okay. (Pause) Great. Now I was thinking there was something else. What could it be? (Pause) Oh, I know what I wanted to ask you. If I should\u2014 It\u2019s very<\/i>\u2014 It would be very<\/i> unusual for me to run into anybody, \u2018cause people don\u2019t seem to go into town very much anymore, but if somebody sees me, and says Liz, where\u2019d you get in all that stuff\u2014<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Just say you\u2014 your\u2014 your\u2014 your grandfather is\u2014 had a\u2014 had a lot of medical problems, and uh, Jim told you to take care of him.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Umm-hmm. And I\u2019m just back\u2014 (unintelligible under Sharon)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> I\u2019d say Jim told you to take care of him, because that way they won\u2019t be so questioning.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Your\u2014 Say your grandfather had some problems\u2014 You had to settle some mu\u2014 matters with your grandfather that Jim told you to take care of.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Don\u2019t you think?<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Yeah, and then I\u2019m\u2014 (unintelligible under Sharon)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Don\u2019t you think, Maria [Katsaris],\u00a0If people question her in the valley, that she should say that, because\u2014<\/p>\n

Maria:<\/b> (too soft)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> They\u2014 they knew you were going to see your grandfather, and if she doesn\u2019t say Jim said for her to take care of it, that people might suspect\u2014 you know\u2014\u00a0I think so too. Maria thinks so too.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Okay. Fine. She hasn\u2019t had any\u2014\u00a0anything from her dad, has she (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Have you heard anything from your dad about any feedback? (Pause) Huh? (Pause) Okay. (Pause) Okay, um, then I\u2019ll see you tomorrow at around one.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Okay.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Okay, Liz.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Great. Thanks, Sharon.<\/p>\n

Sharon:<\/b> Okay. Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Liz:<\/b> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted February 2003<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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