{"id":27575,"date":"2013-06-16T00:21:05","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:21:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27575"},"modified":"2014-04-08T22:29:59","modified_gmt":"2014-04-08T22:29:59","slug":"q747","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27575","title":{"rendered":"Q747 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here.<\/a>
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Side 1<\/a>, Side 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013fantastic. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 1:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> \u2013Right now, uh, we\u2019ve had a lot of uh, visitors from different places like the Russian embassy and the State Department and, you know, the Minister of Foreign Affairs [Fred Wills].<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Certainly. Certainly.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> \u2013and so forth, delegations from uh, Cuba to see uh, what\u2019s being built. Jim, of course, would like to be back here<\/em>, but he certainly is making the best of his time<\/em> to try to help uh, a struggling nation, and to build a good image of the US abroad. So\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s commendable, but then that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2019s somewhat uh, consistent with his philosophy of life. That is.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Right. That\u2019s very true. I\u2019ve been married to him 28 years, and I\u2019ve\u2013 I\u2019ve never known him to think of anything but the oppressed<\/em>, you know, and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Certainly.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> \u2013trying to build\u2013 make\u2013 make a better world for everybody. But anyway, I just\u2013 I\u2013 He wanted me to call and uh, just give his very deepest regards to you and appreciation.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> That\u2019s\u2013 Is\u2013 Is\u2013 Is there a mailing address that I can mail. like, write to Johnny [Moss Brown Jones] or Lee [Ingram] a letter down there?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes. It\u2019s Post Office Box 893\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> 893.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Georgetown\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> That\u2019s one word?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Georgetown.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Guyana. G-U-Y-A-N-A.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Um-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> South America. (Pause) And uh, (clears throat) Lee is very active in our school<\/em> down there, and Johnny is\u2013 \u2018course, he\u2019s doing a lot of public relations work in the country and uh, doing a lot of directing of the whole project.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Certainly.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, he\u2019s a very able person.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> So (laughs) I know they\u2019d love to hear from you.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> That\u2019s be great, \u2018cause we\u2019ve\u2013 we\u2019ve really missed (stumbles over words)\u2013 We had a\u2013 almost a daily \u2013 uh, not daily \u2013 a weekly breakfast, and either Johnny or Lee were there, and\u2013 and [from] time to time, go what\u2019s happened, and I\u2013 I\u2013 that\u2019s what I was going to tell you, and I\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2013 I trailed off. I did stop by the uh, Temple there and I spoke to a gentleman whose name, as I stated, I couldn\u2019t remember, and I stated well, I gave him the background of rapport and the uh, relationship we had between myself and Art Tappe in our office had with Johnny and Lee and Mike [likely Mike Prokes], and we were just wondering what had happened, had uh, something happened that maybe or some dissatisfaction with uh, the\u2013 the parts of the office or what have you and\u2013 and\u2013 and uh (stumbles over words), they said, no, no, there wasn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> That it\u2019d just been a change, and people were in different positions and what have you, and some people probably weren\u2019t even aware that there was a rapport or established contact with<\/em> the police department through the community relations unit.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yeah, this\u2013 this is true, I think, you know, so much has happened to us uh, within the last year, and \u2013 and it\u2019s been a difficult year, as\u2013 as you well know.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Certainly. Yes.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> And uh, we\u2019ve had to do some shifting and so forth, but uh, we\u2019ll uh\u2013 well, when is\u2013 when is the breakfast? Do you\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Well, they\u2019re usually Wednesdays.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Wednesdays.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> What\u2013 what time.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Uh, before\u2013 we try to have \u2018em at 8 o\u2019clock.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> 8 o\u2019clock? And where?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Yes, at\u2013 at the\u2013 the Knight\u2013 Knight\u2019s uh, Caf\u00e9. And do you know, if there\u2019s going to be an individual there or (stumbles over words) who\u2019s going to be coming, \u2018cause they can contact me and uh, I can talk to \u2018em. Because I had<\/em> some numbers, uh, phone numbers here which Johnny had given me to contact him\u2013 him or uh, someone at\u2013 at the Temple, like it was 9\u2013 I think it was 922-6418.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> That was the number, and then\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s the number that you can\u2013 but we will uh, uh\u2013 Let\u2019s see. I think Hue Fortson will be the one, and my\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Who is that? Who is that now again?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hue Fortson.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Fortsom.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh-huh. He\u2019s been having the flu, but he\u2019s much better today. And are you having a breakfast tomorrow?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Tomor\u2013 Yes<\/em>, uh, as far as I know, we al\u2013 usually have them.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Suppose how I see how he is today, and I\u2019ll have him give you a call.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Please do.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> All right.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Thank you, Mrs. Jones.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh-huh, and thank you so much.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Okay, then.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. Bye.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 2:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Phone dialed. Busy signal. Dial tone. Phone dialed. Rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

Dellums aide:<\/strong> Congressman [Ron] Dellums\u2019 office.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Is Mr. Dellums in?<\/p>\n

Aide: <\/strong>Mr. Dellums?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Aide: <\/strong>No, he\u2019s not. He\u2019s in Washington.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Oh, he is. Uh, this is Marceline Jones. I\u2019m the wife of Jim Jones from Peoples Temple. I\u2013 It\u2019s\u2013 I\u2019m going to ble\u2013 be in that area next week. Would it be possible for me to make an appointment to see him next Tuesday in Washington through you?<\/p>\n

Aide: <\/strong>No, you\u2019d have to do it through our Washington office.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Could you give us that number?<\/p>\n

Aide: <\/strong>Sure. It\u2019s area code 202.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> 202.<\/p>\n

Aide: <\/strong>225-<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> 225-<\/p>\n

Aide: <\/strong>2661.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> 2661. All right. Thank you so much.<\/p>\n

Aide: <\/strong>Sure. Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

Lengthy pause, phone call in background, very faint<\/em><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 3:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dial tone. Phone dialed. Rings numerous times without answer. Dial tone. Disconnected silence. Dial tone. Phone dialed. Rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

Mrs. Johnson:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hello, is Joan Brann in?<\/p>\n

Mrs. Johnson:<\/strong> Pardon?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Is Joan Brann in?<\/p>\n

Mrs. Johnson:<\/strong> No, this is Mrs. Johnson.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> This is the wrong number, then?<\/p>\n

Mrs. Johnson:<\/strong> Well, this is uh, 878-4478.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> And Joan Brann does not live there?<\/p>\n

Mrs. Johnson:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know. What\u2019s the last name?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Brann. B-R-A-N-N.<\/p>\n

Mrs. Johnson:<\/strong> B-R-A-N-T, Brant?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> No, Brann. B-R-A-N-N.<\/p>\n

Mrs. Johnson:<\/strong> No, I don\u2019t\u2013 I wouldn\u2019t know, I\u2019m sure. This is a retirement home.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Oh\u2013 Oh. All right. Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Disconnects.<\/em><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 4:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Peoples Temple Receptionist:<\/strong> Hello. May I help you?<\/p>\n

Socorro Robbins:<\/strong> Yes. This Marceline Jones?<\/p>\n

Temple Receptionist:<\/strong> I\u2019ll get her. Just a second. Who\u2019s calling, please?<\/p>\n

Robbins:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 Mr. Gnaizda\u2019s secretary.<\/p>\n

Temple Receptionist:<\/strong> Just a second.<\/p>\n

Placed on hold.<\/em><\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hello.<\/p>\n

Robbins:<\/strong> Hi. Marceline Jones?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Robbins:<\/strong> Yes, this is uh, Socorro Robbins, Bob Gnaizda\u2019s secretary, and I gave him the message, and he\u2013 he\u2019d love to call you Wednesday. Um\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> That\u2019ll be fine.<\/p>\n

Robbins:<\/strong> Okay, because his mother\u2019s in town and (unintelligible under Marceline)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Robbins:<\/strong> He\u2019s been taking her around so he won\u2019t be in\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> All right.<\/p>\n

Robbins:<\/strong> \u2013today or tonight, but he did get the message, and he said he\u2019d love to speak with you, and he\u2019ll call you on Wednesday.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Very good.<\/p>\n

Robbins:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Robbins:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 5:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dial tone. Phone dialed. Rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Good afternoon. (unintelligible name)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, is Robert Winslow in?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Just a second.<\/p>\n

(Placed on hold)<\/em><\/p>\n

Winslow secretary:<\/strong> Mr. Winslow\u2019s office.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Is Mr. Winslow in?<\/p>\n

Winslow secretary:<\/strong> May I ask who\u2019s calling?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> This is Marceline Jones, Jim Jones\u2019 wife.<\/p>\n

Winslow secretary:<\/strong> Can you hold on a moment?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Winslow secretary:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

(Placed on hold)<\/em><\/p>\n

Robert Winslow:<\/strong> Hello.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hello, Bob?<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Hi.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hi, this is Marcy.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> How are you?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m doing fine. Uh, I\u2019ve been gone for about a month and when\u2013 as soon as I got back, Jim wanted me to call you\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Been down in Guyana?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> And uh, things are going so well<\/em> there, but he wanted me to thank you for everything that you\u2019ve done, and for your support and give you his best regards.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> He doesn\u2019t have to do that.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, I know, but he wants to. He\u2019s deeply<\/em> appreciative. It\u2019s been a rough year, you know.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> But uh, things are really going well down there uh, we\u2019re\u2013 He\u2019s built quite a community, uh, and the State Department has been there and the For\u2013 Minister of Foreign Affairs, and they\u2019ve\u2013 they\u2019re really impressed with what we\u2019ve done in the way of health care and education and so forth.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Umm-hmm. Is the flak headed\u2013 letting up any up in San Francisco?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well uh, we\u2019re\u2013 The main worry now is the Tim Stoen situation, you know, with uh, uh, John [Victor Stoen]. Uh, were you able to make any contact with uh, Freitas [Joseph Freitas, District Attorney of San Francisco] or anything, or have you gotten\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> I wrote a letter to him but I haven\u2019t uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yeah\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> I\u2013 I don\u2019t know him, so I wouldn\u2019t\u2013 wouldn\u2019t really expect a response, but\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> But uh, generally things are a little better here and things are really great in Guyana, so things are looking up. And Jim wanted me to call you and give my best uh, to you. How are you doing?<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Oh, life has been hectic. We\u2019ve been uh, suing the savings and loan industry, it\u2019s a\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Oh, my\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> \u2013over some of their outrageous uh, lending practices.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> And we just settled a big case with Home Savings, and we\u2013 now I\u2019m in trial right now with Coast Federal Savings.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, just take care of yourself. You know, your health is important too. Are you\u2013 are you well physically?<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Oh, yeah, fine. In good shape.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> And how\u2019s the family?<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Everybody\u2019s fine. Betty\u2019s up in Mendocino County, uh, she had an aunt who passed away uh, yesterday morning.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Oh. I\u2019m sorry.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> So she went up there yesterday.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> But she\u2019s doing well, and the children are doing well.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> But she\u2019s fine. Yeah, right.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> That\u2019s fine. Well, you uh, give her my best, and I\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> I certainly will.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> And Jim will never forget, you know, a friend, and\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Are you on your way back soon, or\u2013?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> I\u2013 Well, I don\u2019t know just when, but I hope to get back there because naturally I miss our family and children, but\u2013 Uh, if you ever need a place to get away to, to rest, why, you know\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Sounds like\u2013 Sounds like it might be interesting.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> You\u2019re\u2013 You\u2019re very welcome, you know. Anytime.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Well, we\u2013 we might just do that.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. All right. And uh, just\u2013 I\u2013 I just\u2013 we both wish you the very, very best, and thanks again.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Well, I hope everything works out for you and that things uh, finally calm down up\u2013 up in\u2013 up in San Francisco.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> What are\u2013 What are you concerned<\/em> with, uh\u2013 is\u2013 is anything specific uh, happening now or\u2013?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> No, no, not really. You know\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> It\u2019s just a fear that there might be\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yeah. You know, after you\u2019ve been in the limelight\u2013 (laughs) limelight, and I used that word \u2013 you know, you get kind of battle worn and so forth. No.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Is\u2013 Is Tim in San Francisco now?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 I\u2013 We haven\u2019t seen him, we don\u2019t know whether he is. We\u2013 He\u2019s supposed to be here, but\u2013 but\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> But the problem in connection with the child custody you\u2019re going on down in Guyana\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Right, right, yes. I mean, he was there, he went there, and you know, I\u2013 we don\u2019t know whether he\u2019ll be back (voice trails off) So\u2013 Well, anyway, uh, these things are difficult to go through, but they make you strong, you know.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Yeah, if they don\u2019t kill you in the process. (laugh)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right, (laugh) you just have to be willing to die for what you believe in, I guess.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Yeah, right.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> (laugh) And I guess there\u2019s not much point in living uh, if you\u2019re not willing to\u2013<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> No, what the hell. That makes life interesting.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\u00a0 That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Thank you so much.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> You take care now.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> You bet.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Winslow:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 6:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dial tone. Phone dialed. Rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Law offices.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Is uh, Mr. [Dennis] Roberts in?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Mr. Roberts stepped out. Who\u2019s calling, please?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> This is Marceline Jones from Peoples Temple. Uh, would you just leave a message for him to call me at\u2013<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Marceline?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Jones.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Jones. How do you spell Marceline?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> M-a-r-c-e-l-i-n-e. It\u2019s Jim Jones\u2019 wife.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, it\u2019s 922-9597.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> 922?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> 9597.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> (Sighs) Okay. 922-9597, and he\u2019ll call you right a\u2013 right back.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> You\u2019re very welcome. Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 7:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dial tone. Phone dialed. Rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Good afternoon. (unintelligible name)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, is Mr. Jenkins in?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> No, he isn\u2019t. I\u2019m expecting (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes, would you ask\u2013 This is uh, Marceline Jones, uh, Jim Jones\u2019 wife, and would you ask him to call me at 922-9597?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> 9597?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Okay. Mrs. Jones.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 8:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Phone rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

Burton Receptionist:<\/strong> John Burton\u2019s office.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hello, this is uh, Marceline Jones, uh, from Peoples Temple, and Dr. [Carlton] Goodlett had called me this morning and said that uh, Mr. Burton was\u2013 might be able to see us this Saturday, and I wanted to leave my number here for him to call.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Oh, hold on a second.<\/p>\n

(Placed on hold) (Pause of several moments)<\/em><\/p>\n

Burton Aide:<\/strong> Hello.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> This is Marceline Jones, and Dr. Goodlett has said I should leave my number with you for you to call\u2013<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> It would be this<\/em> weekend or the next weekend? It is not definite this weekend. Did Dr. Goodlett tell you that?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes, he did tell me that. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> Okay. What is the number?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> It\u2019s 922-9597. Uh\u2013 Is Mr. Burton going to be in Washington during the week?<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> Yeah, he\u2019ll be there during the week, yeah.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. So maybe uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> He\u2019s only coming in late Friday and leaving Saturday night.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes. So\u2013 All right. Thank you. Is there\u2013 I\u2013 We\u2019re thinking maybe of being in Washington during the week, so maybe we could see him there Tuesday. Uh\u00ad\u2013<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> Or then\u2013 Should I tell him that, if you\u2013 if you can\u2019t make it this week, you will see him\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Tuesday.<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> Tuesday.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes. We\u2019ll make a trip there to see him.<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> All right. Who is uh\u2013 How many are going?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> There\u2019ll be four of us.<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> And if you can\u2019t\u2013 Let me put this down. (Pause) (Talks to self under breath) Mrs. Jones and three people. Will be in DC Tuesday?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes. We\u2019ll make a trip\u2013<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> About what time?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, when\u2013 It would be in the morning, but when it\u2019s convenient for him.<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> All right, I\u2019ll put sometime in AM. Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> All right.<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Thank you very much for your help.<\/p>\n

Aide:<\/strong> You\u2019re very welcome. Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 9:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dial tone. Phone dialed. Rings numerous times without answer. Dial tone. Phone dialed. Rings. <\/em><\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hello, is this Mr. Helton?<\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, this is Marceline Jones, Jim Jones\u2019 wife from People Temple.<\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> And I\u2019ve been gone for about a month, and my husband uh, wanted me as soon as I got back to call you and thank you so much, you and your wife, for all the support and help you\u2019ve given (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> Uh, we feel like it\u2019s a worthy cause. You\u2019re\u2013 You\u2019re really great.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s greatly appreciated. Well, thank you so much, and he is deeply appreciated\u2013 deeply appreciative of all the things you\u2019ve done. You know, there aren\u2019t too many people that stand<\/em> in difficult times (faint, unintelligible) and uh, we are\u2013 he is doing very well, and things are really moving in Guyana. We\u2019ve got quite a project<\/em> down there, quite a health system and school system and that government, and the people from, you know, the uh, State Department down there (unintelligible) the State Department is very impressed with us, but uh, if it hadn\u2019t been for people like you that, you know, gave encouragement, it would\u2019ve been a lot harder, and he wanted\u2013 he wanted me to call to thank you.<\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> I appreciate it.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> So, pass the word on to your wife, please.<\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> Okay. Did the Social Security checks start rolling again?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s good.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Everything is\u2013 We got an official apology, so thank you for that\u2013 (laughs) for helping us with that. So things are\u2013 things are beginning to look up.<\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s wonderful.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. And thank you so much, Mr. Helton.<\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. Bye.<\/p>\n

Helton:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

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Part 10:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dial tone. Phone dialed. Rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Good afternoon. Cherry Hill (Unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Is uh, uh, Enola Maxwell in?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> One moment, please.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

(Placed on hold)<\/em><\/p>\n

Enola Maxwell:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Enola?<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> This is Marceline Jones from Peoples Temple, and\u2013<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> How are you?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> I\u2019m doing very well, and I just got back, and Jim again wanted me to call and give you his love and support and appreciation for everything you\u2019ve done.<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Oh, gosh, I haven\u2019t done anything. I sure do miss him, though.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, uh, he misses being here with all you beautiful people, you know, that believe in the same things that he\u2013 He\u2019s getting a lot done down there, and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Oh, I can imagine.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 It\u2019s really an impressive place. I\u2013 you know, I am so impressed when I go (small laugh), uh, with what\u2019s happening in the area of health and education, and the uh, government officials there are very well impressed, and uh\u2013 you know, people from the State Department and everybody uh, are impressed with what\u2019s happening. It\u2019s really worldwide recognition of what\u2019s happening in there.<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> So I was telling him that you by chance ran into someone in China that\u2019d been there, a minister from New York\u2013<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Did\u2013 do\u2013 you don\u2019t\u2013 didn\u2019t happen to find out what his name was, did you?<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> God. I don\u2019t\u2013 I have it at home.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yeah, well.<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Maybe I can call you and give it to you.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. If you could\u2013<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> (unintelligible beginning under Marceline) \u2013Buffalo, New York<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> \u2013it was be very interesting. I thought\u2013 Uh, Jim was just fascinated by that, you know, it\u2019s really a small world.<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, I don\u2019t want to hold you any longer, because I know you\u2019re very, very busy, but uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Oh, I\u2019m so glad to hear, (unintelligible) the other night, and so were people from (unintelligible name), at the peace\u2013 (unintelligible word) reception, uh, of California (faint)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, uh, just, you know, anything we can ever do to help you, why, just please know we\u2019re still here.<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Oh, thank you very much, Mrs. Jones. Yeah. Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. Okay.<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> And thank you very much for calling.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> Good, dear.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> And thank you.<\/p>\n

Maxwell:<\/strong> All right. Goodbye.<\/p>\n

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Part 11:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dial tone. Disconnect. Dial tone. Phone dialed. Busy.Dial tone. Phone dialed. <\/em><\/p>\n

End of side 1<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Side 2<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Willie:<\/strong> \u2013Uh, I guess my mother\u2019s been over there, I guess close to a year, maybe a little over a year, over in uh, Guyana?<\/p>\n

Sandy Bradshaw:<\/strong> Mmm-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Uh, is it possible uh, or probable that uh, she could visit back here for a while?<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry, I didn\u2019t\u2013 I didn\u2019t hear your question.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Is it possible or probable that she uh, could visit back here, I mean, can she uh\u2013? One of the reasons I\u2019m concerned, we have difficulty getting mail to uh, her, and apparently<\/em> she has difficulty getting mail to us (unintelligible) delayed.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah, there is, because they\u2019re in the interior of the country, and especially this time of year, there was\u2013 was about three weeks in a row there that uh, the ship could not leave the Port Kaituma to take the mail into Georgetown to even have it sent back to the U.S. We have found there is a problem with the mails also, because people will get letters that say uh, uh, remember I told you in my last letter, and then the person never got their last letter<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s the kind of thing that we have experienced.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Right. Right. Exactly. And uh, we think that it\u2019s all\u2013 We think someone is tampering with our mails, is what we think. Uh, one big<\/em> package of mail that came back that was mailed all at once from the people there uh, had been opened, wine or a substance that smelled of wine and was the color<\/em> of wine was poured on the contents of the letters. So we really think that it\u2019s a type of harassment because uh, way\u2013 this is the\u2013 not the first case or the only<\/em> case in which we\u2019ve had problems with people getting their mails.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Uh-huh. Uh, does it\u2013 Have you had any uh, people who\u2019ve gone over there say for a\u2013 a period of time and then have come back to visit here and then\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Well, people are free to come and go as they choose. Right now, the project is so new, there is uh, like a core of people that has been<\/em> there that\u2013 that were originally pioneering the project, so to speak, and since that time, people have more or less gone over fairly recently, so uh, they have not\u2013 there have not been the people wanting to come back, uh, because they haven\u2019t been<\/em> there all that long, and they like it so well, they want to stay.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> I see.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> So, uh, it is a\u2013 a very, very beautiful place and\u2013<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Yeah, I\u2019m (unintelligible under Bradshaw)<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Your mom is very happy there.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Yeah, I\u2019ve heard a lot about it, and uh, I\u2019d kinda like to uh, be able to uh, you know, contact<\/em> her and, you know, on an im\u2013 an\u2013 an immediate basis and ask if she wants to come back and, of course, it\u2013 you know, for a visit<\/em>, at least, because it\u2019s kind of unusual uh, you know, not to have seen her at Christmas time and\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Mm-hmm. Oh, I can understand you missing her.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> \u2013not to\u2019ve been able to exchange uh, you know, Christmas uh, wishes and uh, even uh, you know, small gifts, et cetera.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> And uh, it\u2013 there\u2019s just a void<\/em> there that I think uh, I would like to have filled. At least<\/em> I would like her to know that uh, if she wants to uh, come back for a short visit, you know, I\u2013 I can arrange (unintelligible word), my brother and I can arrange that uh, she do so. But not having, you know, the ability<\/em> to talk to her, it\u2013 it\u2019s difficult. By the time I ask the question, you know, two or three months later she would get the uh, letter<\/em> and not too much can be accomplished that way.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Well, some\u2013 it depends on that\u2013 what the mail is doing. Sometimes we\u2019ve gotten letters back within several weeks, but, as I say, we\u2019ve had that same problem with the mails ourselves, and uh, there is<\/em> radio communication from uh, the San Francisco office to uh, Jonestown. Uh\u2013 The possibility of uh, a phone patch is there. It\u2019s difficult<\/em>, because a lot of times the band is not on for very long, especially during the winter months. The uh, actual contact time is much less than it is, say, in the summer, when you can talk longer on the air. Uh, in fact, Claire had a\u2013 a phone contact with uh, her mom and<\/em> her children, I think about two weeks ago.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Uh, she mentioned it to me.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah, and uh, she talked to her at that time. Uh, that was pretty clear communication, as I recall at that time. Anyway, uh, we could take your number down and\u2013 I just can\u2019t guarantee when it will be, because we have no control over the band. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Uh, okay, let me give you my number. However\u2013 Well, maybe at that time I could see if she would like to come back for a visit, but somehow, I would like that message conveyed to her.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Um-hmm. You\u2019re certainly free to ask<\/em> her, you know, anything you\u2019d want, and it is<\/em> hard to understand uh, uh, the\u2013 you know, someone going that distance and finding a place that they want to stay for a goodly length of time. I can understand your missing her.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Um-hmm. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> What is your number down there?<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Okay, area code 213, and it\u2019s 899-5844.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Um-hmm. 5844. And what was your first name again?<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Uh, Willie.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Willie. (Pause) Okay. Uh, I can leave it on the radio with\u2013 for the radio operator. When is the\u2013 You probably work in the daytime, huh?<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2019m seldom home. Well, the safest<\/em> time is, say, between uh, 5 and uh\u2013 I\u2019m tempted to say between 5 and 6, because quite a few evenings, I\u2019m away.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Umm-hmm. Okay, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Uh, or<\/em> before uh, seven o\u2019clock in the morning<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Before seven. Now we don\u2019t get contact that early at this time of the year. Uh, our contact\u2019s sometimes been fading out in the afternoon. It\u2019s\u2013 It\u2019s just hard to say when it will be, but we can try. Now there are a number of other people who\u2019ve also requested phone patches. As you can imagine, people down there want to talk to people here, and people here want to talk down there.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Sure. Surely.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 But have you\u2013 You have been writing her, and has she been answering your letters?<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Well, uh, quite frankly, I kinda gave up on the writing, because I wrote her in August and uh, you know, there\u2019s pretty obvious that she didn\u2019t receive my letter until uh, sometime in December.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> You wrote\u2013 Wait a minute. You wrote her in August?<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Yeah, I mailed her a letter in August, and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> She answered you back in\u2013<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Oh, I don\u2019t know exactly when she answered, but uh, I didn\u2019t hear from her until uh, December, and I got the impression that she didn\u2019t get my letter immediately. In fact, I got the impression\u2013 In fact, I was pretty<\/em> well convinced that she\u2019d gotten my letter quite some time after I had mailed it.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Oh, yeah, I\u2019m sure, it takes\u2013 it does take a while to get to the interior. I mean, they\u2013 that is<\/em> in the middle of the jungle. And the only form of communication or uh, travel is either the boat by sea or the plane, and then a Land Rover into the settlement.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Okay, so in other words, the\u2013 the mail goes to Georgetown\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> \u2013and then from there it goes to uh, where they are\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Port Kaituma. Port Kaituma, which is about, hmm, seven or eight miles, maybe ten miles from the actual town of Jonestown. And it would go to Port Kaituma either by the government boat<\/em> that comes around, uh, or by plane. And then from there it would have to get dispersed into Jonestown. But uh, the project itself is pretty self-contained, so the\u2013 that we don\u2019t always make trips into town uh, when the mail does get in as often as it gets in. I don\u2019t even know how often, but I know that that\u2013 it\u2019s the\u2013 the usual problem is the delay from Georgetown to\u2013<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Yeah, let me give you a\u2013 a for-instance. When my grandmother died uh, oh, I guess, the first part of December, in fact, it was<\/em> the first part of December, uh, the message didn\u2019t get to her soon<\/em> enough, even if she uh, had desired<\/em> to come home for the funeral.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> No, no, that\u2019s not true. Uh, I talked to Claire about that, and she mentioned that very thing, so I got back on the radio to find out what the problem was, and they\u2013 timewise, and that is not<\/em> true. She was<\/em> told, and she was mixed up on the dates and uh, you can ask the children, you know, when you talk to them, or ask her even if she didn\u2019t know about it, because they do<\/em> tell people. We have radio communication every day here, they do tell\u2013 I know personally, they\u2019ve told in other uh, personal crisis in families, they\u2019ve told them immediately<\/em>\u2013<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> I see.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> \u2013because when Claire mentioned that\u2013 that that\u2019s what she thought<\/em>, I understood her worry, and I went right after that, put it on the radio, asking<\/em> what\u2013 what was the problem with the date and the confusion of the date. And that was the answer. She was<\/em> told, so that she could have come back. Uh, so when you talk to your mom, you can ask her that, or you can talk to any of the kids<\/em> and ask them if they didn\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Yeah, I have no reason to doubt what you\u2019re telling me, uh\u2013 I guess what I\u2019m really trying to conceive (laughs) is why she didn\u2019t come back.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah, I understand. It\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s difficult, uh\u2013 it\u2019s difficult to\u2013 to understand the breaking of tradition. You know, I\u2013 I do understand that, uh, but it is\u2013 it\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a whole other life, it\u2013 it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s a beautiful, beautiful place and it\u2019s just\u2013 it\u2019s up to everyone\u2019s personal\u2013 If they\u2013 if they wish to come back to a funeral, it would be up to them. If they feel that it\u2019s\u2013 would just be too painful or not their orientation, then it\u2013 that\u2019s<\/em> up to them too, but she was<\/em> told. She was told in time to be able to come back, uh\u2013 \u2018Course, it takes several days to get out of the interior to Georgetown, because they do not have transportation every day. The planes don\u2019t fly every day.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Okay. Assuming if she had wanted to come back, uh, just based on your experience, how long does it normally take one to uh, get back to the States.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> If she had wanted to come back, uh, it woulda depended on which day of the week, because they only have flights out, (pause) let\u2019s see, two or three times a week. I forget which. That\u2013 if that is from the nearest town, which is 40 miles away.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Surely.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> So, you have to get from Jonestown to<\/em> Matthews Ridge, which is 40 miles by jungle road to uh, Matthews Ridge, and then the planes go from there, I\u2019m not sure, either two or three times a week, so it woulda depended on what day. And then there\u2019s not always room\u00a0 on the Georgetown flights in, \u2018cause they don\u2019t have that many. They don\u2019t go every day either. They\u2019ve cut down on the number of flights going in and out of Guyana since we\u2019ve even uh, had the project, so there aren\u2019t that many. It\u2013 it would\u2013 It could take three days.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Okay, so at the moment, my desire is to uh, determine whether she would uh, want to come back for a visit, uh, you know, even if just for a week or so, and uh, I would like to somehow<\/em> convey that message to her, you know, without going through or taking the uh, chance that the letter might get there three weeks or, you know, that type of interval between uh, my de\u2013 request and her answer.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Of course, it\u2013 it\u2013 Whether it\u2019s two weeks or three weeks or whatever, your\u2013 your request would still be there for her to consider and her answer would still be\u2013 she would give you the same answer if it were said to you or if it were written<\/em> to you. I mean, it would just be a matter of the time factor that\u2019s bothering you?<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Uh, that\u2019s one thing that\u2019s bothering me, and uh, I would just like to really know<\/em> if she uh, would tell me that she doesn\u2019t<\/em> want to come back to visit. You know, she has three children here, and one in Texas, and I\u2013 knowing her all my<\/em> life, I can\u2019t conceive her saying I don\u2019t want to come back and visit<\/em> you for a week.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> \u2018Course, I don\u2019t think she\u2019s ever said she didn\u2019t want to come back and visit<\/em> at any time in the future, did she?<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 No<\/em>, she has never expressed<\/em> that, but by the same token, I\u2013 I don\u2019t know of any way of uh, requesting<\/em> it uh, other than talking to you as I am now.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> (Pause) Well, other than writing or\u2013 (short laugh) Like I say, I mean, I can\u2013 I can try<\/em> and\u2013 and get to them, put on the list of phone<\/em> patches that\u2013 that need to be done<\/em>, but as I say, we really have even hundreds of people that have been waiting for a phone patch also, and I just can\u2019t guarantee when it would be<\/em>. If you want to write<\/em>, and ask her that thing, write and tell her that you\u2013 you will\u2013 you and your brother will pay for her trip down and back, I would certainly suggest doing that<\/em>. I will also, you know, give your name and number to the radio operator, and\u2013<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Okay, I\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> But I\u2013 I just couldn\u2019t tell you when<\/em> it would be or how soon or\u2013<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Yeah, all that you do, I certainly uh\u2013 we will certainly appreciate it. Approximately how many people uh, are over there from\u2013 you know, in my mother\u2019s uh, situation?<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> In your mother\u2019s situation?<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Well, maybe situation\u2019s the wrong word. How many people are over there from, let\u2019s say uh, from the churches here?<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Well, there are about uh, a thousand people in Jonestown right now.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Um-hmm. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> But from all walks of life, I mean, all different\u2013 some\u2013 sometimes whole families go, sometimes uh, just the grown children, and sometimes people wish to go down there as a retirement center. It\u2019s\u2013 It\u2019s [a] beautiful place for seniors to retire.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Surely.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> So it\u2013 I mean, it\u2019s just from all\u2013 all backgrounds and all different situations, so I\u2013 I\u2019m not really sure what your mother\u2019s situation is, other than she has children<\/em>. Uh\u2013 There will<\/em> be of course possibilities in the\u2013 in the future<\/em> that you\u2019ll\u2013 you could go down and visit. They\u2019re working on uh, guest housing and guest cottages, but naturally, they\u2019ve gotta get the housing for the\u2013 the uh, expanded town there at the moment.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah, but there certainly<\/em> will be time in the future when\u2013 if you\u2019re in that neck of the woods, you definitely would be very welcome to stay down there.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Surely.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> But I understand your concern, and I will<\/em> pass it on, but I just can\u2019t guarantee any time<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Surely. Okay.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> So, I\u2019d do both<\/em>. I\u2019d write, and I\u2019ll put this up with the radio operator, and we can\u2013 we can see what we can do.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Okay, Sandy. I appreciate it very much.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Okay, and thank you for calling, and\u2013 Have you seen the slides of the project?<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> No, I haven\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> You might want to uh, do that sometime. Many times, it\u2013 it\u2019s hard to describe the\u2013 the situation and the beauty of it there, and sometimes slides can do it much easier, so\u2013<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> \u2013that might be a possibility, future time.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> It might relieve your mind somewhat.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> (Laughs) Thank you very much, and anything you can do, I\u2019d appreciate it.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Okay. Okay, sure.<\/p>\n

Willie:<\/strong> Mm-hmm. Bye.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Good-bye.<\/p>\n

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Part 13:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> (unintelligible word) You know, in other words\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, I know. Uh, I know what you\u2019re saying, only it\u2019s such a painful thing, and\u2013 and Jim uh\u2013 this child [John Victor Stoen]\u2013 she [Grace Stoen] walked off and left him, you know, with<\/em> us about two years ago, and it\u2013 it will be a devastating thing for the child. He\u2019s\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Yeah, I can see that. Well, then you\u2019d have to go in and ask to have the child uh, transferred, you know, the custody of the child transferred. But then that\u2019s always destructive too. I have found out with people \u2013 adopted people, you know \u2013 after they\u2013 a while, they grow up, and then they begin to worry about, what was my mother like, and then they start searching around and chase around. I know a\u2013 a lot of them, and they\u2019ll find some woman, what, she\u2013 she\u2019d been a prostitute. Still, uh, well, she was my mother, you know, and the unfor\u2013 misfortune, and they\u2013 they get sore at the people who adopted<\/em> them. Like\u2013 You know, human beings are pretty complex mechanisms.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, I know this is true. Uh, of course, we\u2019ve had experience in adoption too, and when the time comes\u2013 Right now the child adamantly \u2013 of course, he\u2019s a very small little boy, but he\u2019s very bright and uh, an enlightened<\/em> child \u2013 says he doesn\u2019t want to leave<\/em> where he is<\/em>, and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> How\u2013 how old is he now?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> He\u2019s six years old.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, we have had experience with other adopted children. As a matter of fact, I took our black<\/em> son [Jim Jones Jr.] back to Indiana to trace<\/em> his roots, because he was<\/em> interested in it, and I believe that when that times comes, we should allow it, and I\u2019m sure Jim will. But, it\u2013 you know, it\u2019s an emotional thing with him, and I\u2013 I\u2013 We do<\/em> appreciate your\u2013 your professional advice on it, and it certainly will be passed on.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Yeah, the thing is, (stumbles over words) it\u2019s all right, uh, what you do, so long as you know<\/em> what the situation, the legal situation is. \u2018Course, Charley Garry would tell the same thing.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes. Yes. Well, thank you. Gee, it\u2019s so\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> How is Jim? How is he making out down there?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> He\u2019s doing very, very well. And of course, the project is just blossoming.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Well, I was talking to Charley Garry, I met him the other night, and he said it was wonderful down there. In other words, he said about what he said in that uh, letter he wrote.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes, and uh, he\u2019s having uh\u2013 you know, we\u2019re having a lot of visitors into the project, and some people from the Russian Embassy went in to see what we\u2019re doing in the way of building the community, and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Very good. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> The State Department also from the US uh, went down to see what was happening, and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> I\u2019ll be darned. That\u2019s dangerous.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> \u2013from Washington, DC, so\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> (stumbles over words) In other words, uh, J\u2013 Jim will stay down<\/em> there, I support, indefinitely now, huh?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, there\u2019s no\u2013 (sighs) you know, no way of knowing. He\u2019d\u2013 He\u2019d like to come back and uh, also\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> But then you notice another thing, Marceline. Remember, I suggested, don\u2019t<\/em> file any suits, don\u2019t write any letters, don\u2019t\u2013 you know, it uh\u2013 then it dies out. Whereas if you uh, do\u2013 take some action, then the papers grab onto that as another source of news to bandy it about and pillory the man.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes. Yes. I\u2013 I know\u2013 I know what you\u2019re saying, so\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, we thank you so much (unintelligible under man)<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Well, you\u2019re more than welcome, I\u2019m\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> It\u2019s good to talk to you, and uh, it\u2019s\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad it helped. And you can\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> \u2013been quite a battle this last year, really, it\u2019s been something.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s life.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Oh. I know.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Sure.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> I know it well.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> As soon as you don\u2019t have any battles, well, you\u2019re about finished.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. (Laughs) That\u2019s so right.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> In fact, that\u2019s one of the things I say about all the adulation I\u2019ve been getting since I become 80, I say, what makes me so goddamn mad is it means they don\u2019t think I\u2019m dangerous anymore.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Sure.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, you certainly deserve the adulation, though.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Oh, thank you.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> You, uh\u2013 Jim certainly, you know, holds you in highest regard and respect.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s mutual.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> And uh, it\u2019s\u2013 I appreciate so much\u2013<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> Well, anytime now, give me a ring that you need some\u2013 you need a word, and I\u2019ll come out and talk to you.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Good. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> All right, dear. Bye.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Thank you so much. Bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 14:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Yes, it is. Hold on just a minute.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

(Placed on hold)<\/em><\/p>\n

Cecil Williams: <\/strong>Hello.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hello, Cecil?<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> This is Marceline Jones (unintelligible word under Williams)<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Yeah, Marceline.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been gone for about a month and uh, Jim wanted me to call and see how things are going with you. You know, when I talked to you before, uh, you said that there\u2019d been some\u2013 (pause) uh, Phil Tracy had been sort of breathing down your neck, and Jim was really concerned, and\u2013<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Yeah, well, I think he undoubtedly stopped. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> That\u2019s good. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>(Laughs) From what uh, several reporters told me\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s great\u2013<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>That they talked to him, and uh, undoubtedly he stopped at this point, so I\u2013 I\u2013 at least I haven\u2019t heard anything else, and then I had a reporter to say to me not too long ago that uh\u2013 that uh, you know, he talked to him, and that was just about it. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m glad of that. And everything else is going all right for you.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Very well. Very well.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Very good.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>How are\u2013 How are things going with Jim?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, Jim is uh, doing great, really. Uh, the project down there is uh, flourishing. And I hope sometime you can take some time to go down and see what\u2019s happening there.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>I hope so too. I\u2019m working so hard on<\/em> this\u2013 you know, this book and record right now. And it\u2019s really kinda got us all uh, going around here, (stumbles over words) you know, \u2018cause I only come in on two\u2013 two days a week now in the office, on Tuesdays and Thursdays, because uh, the\u2013 the other days I\u2019m working on this bo\u2013 uh, these things, you know.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yes. Well, don\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>But anyway, uh\u2013 I\u2019m very concerned about Jim. I\u2019m very proud<\/em> that things are working out, uh\u2013 I knew<\/em>\u2013 I know<\/em> he\u2019s gonna pull it off, wherever he goes, you know.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, he\u2019s a very dedicated and uh\u2013 you know, dedicated to uh, trying to build a better world, and uh, he\u2013 Right now, what he\u2019s doing, you know, he\u2019d like very much to be here, but he\u2019s making the best of being there, and he\u2019s built a beautiful community, the uh, Russian embassy had been down to see what they\u2019ve done there, and the State Department from uh, our country, and the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and they\u2019re very, very happy. There\u2013 there was also a delegation from Cuba that went down to see what was happening there.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Oh, really. My God.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> So, uh, it\u2019s amazing what you can do if you, you know, love truth and are willing to work and clear the jungle, and we have quite a medical uh, department and school with all kinds of things happening.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>That\u2019s beautiful. That\u2019s beautiful.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Yeah, so\u2013<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Well, I hope he works it out where he can get back here, too.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> I\u2013 I hope so too. And our little grandson [Chae-ok Jones] and your godson is really growing child\u2013<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>You know, I gotta get some information. Let\u2013 Let me\u2013 I want to get the exact<\/em> address so\u2013 and the name and everything so I\u2013 \u2018cause I want to send something down there to them. This\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Oh. That is not necessary.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>No, I know it\u2019s not necessary, but I want to do<\/em> something about it now. I want uh\u2013 The goo\u2013 good\u2013 the godfather has to say something. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> (Laughs) Oh, sure. Well, of course, this is grandmother talking, but he sure is a doll, I\u2019ll tell you. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>I know, I know, I know.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> His uh\u2013 He\u2019s very uh, Asiatic in appearance, of course, because the father is our Korean boy [Lew Jones], and he\u2019s\u2013 he\u2019s a darling<\/em> little boy.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>That\u2019s so great. What is his name, now?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Chae-ok. Uh, it\u2019s C-h-a-e, and then it\u2019s o-k.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>\u2013o-k. Uh-huh [Yes].<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> And it\u2019s Post Office Box 893\u2013<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>893.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Georgetown, Guyana.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Uh-huh. Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> All right. Of course, his last name is Jones.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Little guy.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>All right. Beautiful.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. Well, it\u2019s good talking to you (unintelligible under Williams)<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Thank you. It\u2019s good talking to you, and anything I can do anytime, just let me know, will you, please?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 Yes, I certainly will, and\u2013 and the reverse is true, if we can help you, please call.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Williams: <\/strong>Bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 15:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Phone rings<\/em><\/p>\n

Gnaizda Receptionist:<\/strong> Mr. Gnaizda\u2019s office.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Is Mr. Gnaizda in?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> No, he isn\u2019t. Who\u2019s calling?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> This is Marceline Jones from Peoples Temple.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Yes, he\u2019s out of the office.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, do you expect him in today?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> No, no, I don\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Oh. Could I leave message to have him call me when he comes in?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Surely. Okay. What is your number?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> It\u2019s 922-9597.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> 9597. And is there any message?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> (Pause) No. I\u2019m Jim Jones\u2019 wife, and I just wanted to talk to him about something I talked to him about earlier.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Okay. Mm-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> All right. Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 16:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Phone rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

Fonda Receptionist:<\/strong> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> (Pause) I\u2019m sorry. Is Jane Fonda in?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Uh, no she isn\u2019t. Uh, who\u2019s calling?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> This is uh, Marceline Jones, Jim Jones\u2019 wife, from Peoples Temple. Could you have her\u2013<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Uh, just a second, let me give you her secretary.<\/p>\n

(Placed on hold)<\/em><\/p>\n

Fonda Secretary:<\/strong> Hello.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Hello. This is Marceline Jones, James Jones\u2019 wife, from Peoples Temple. Is uh, Jane Fonda in?<\/p>\n

Secretary:<\/strong> No, she\u2019s not.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, do you expect her in anytime?<\/p>\n

Secretary:<\/strong> No, I don\u2019t expect her here. She\u2019s filming today.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> I see. Could I leave a message for her to call me at her convenience?<\/p>\n

Secretary:<\/strong> Sure.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, the number is 415-922-9596.<\/p>\n

Secretary:<\/strong> Okay. I\u2019ll give\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> 9597. I\u2019m sorry.<\/p>\n

Secretary:<\/strong> Oh. 9597. Okay.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Secretary:<\/strong> I\u2019ll give her the message.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Thank you so much.<\/p>\n

Secretary:<\/strong> You\u2019re welcome.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

Secretary:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 17:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dial tone. Phone dialed.<\/em><\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> (faintly) Tape it if Jim is there?<\/p>\n

Phone rings without answer.<\/em><\/p>\n

Dial tone. Phone dialed. Phone rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

Wallach Receptionist:<\/strong> Law offices of Bob Wallach and David (unintelligible name)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Is uh, Mr. [Robert] Wallach in?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> No, he\u2019s not. Who\u2019s calling, please?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> This is Marceline Jones, the wife of Jim Jones of Peoples Temple.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Yes. Can I take a message for him?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, could he call me?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Sure. Phone number?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Uh, it\u2019s 922-9597.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> He\u2019s uh, planning on taking an extended vacation starting tomorrow, and he may not have the time to return the call. I thought I\u2019d mention that in case, you know, there\u2019s something you want to tell me about it.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. If\u2013 I\u2019ll tell you, if\u2013 I uh, really was calling\u2013 I\u2019ve been gone for a month, and Jim wanted me to call him as soon as I got back to give him his regards and to thank him for the support he\u2019s given and the encouragement he\u2019s given through this difficult time\u2013<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Aww.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> \u2013and to tell him that Jim is doing (Unintelligible word) really well, and we\u2019re building quite a community in Guyana, uh, and I just wanted to report, you know, some of the good things to him.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Okay. Well, I\u2019ll let him know that. Uh, is there\u2013 is there anything that he should call to find out about or anything, if he did\u2013 if he does have the time?<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Well, uh, just\u2013 if he has time, it\u2019s all\u2013 I just wanted him to know, there\u2019ve been a lot of visitors to our\u2013 our uh, uh, project down there, uh, the State Department and the Minister of Foreign Affairs\u2013<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Right. Right.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> \u2013and people from the Russian embassy and a delegation from Cuba, and a lot of good things have been said. It\u2019s a community that should be emulated all over the world.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> How terrific\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> \u2013and we would love to have Mr. Wallach or any of you come down and visit any time you can (Laughs). And Jim is doing just beautifully<\/em>, and if it hadn\u2019t been for friends like you and\u2013 and Mr. Wallach, why, uh, you know, it would\u2019ve been difficult during this time (unintelligible under receptionist)<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Well, listen, I\u2019m sure Mr. Wallach sends his warmest and best regards back and wants you to keep on doing whatever it is you\u2019re doing that\u2019s working so well.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay. And just\u2013 just tell him I called and said, thank you, thank you, thank you, from Jim and myself.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> You bet.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Bye-bye now.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part 18:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Phone rings.<\/em><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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