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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Jones: <\/b>Speaks with precision, confidence) \u2014 with this elitist thing, that you can drift here and there, and uh, not be on any mission<\/i> that I know about. Just because you\u2019re an electrician or you\u2019re an electronics person doesn\u2019t give you the pr\u2014 privilege of tripping out on a meeting. Only people in the radio room should be the bare skeleton staff, they\u2014 they should be<\/i> here. (Pause) I\u2019d like to know what makes these people think they have the\u2014 the right<\/i> to just drift out of meetings. It happens all the time. It\u2019s elitism<\/i>. You ought to be observant and catch it. Now I know you say, well, my parting statement was\u2014 (under breath) Oh God, that was stupid. (Pause) (Normal voice) I can cause my own<\/i> pain by the slap of my hand. The sound, uh\u2014 you might salute now, rather than clap. You ought to lift your hands, because the sounds just are a little heavy. I\u2019ve got a very, very severe headache, terribly<\/i> severe, terribly agonizing severe<\/i> headache, if you want the goddamned truth. (Pause) You might<\/i> say, well, the death of the movement would be good<\/i>, because then I won\u2019t be alive, then I can do my thing. But why do you take that right? I<\/i> wish I could take that right, but I can\u2019t morally take<\/i> that right. I could die tonight, then I\u2019d be out of my misery. But the death of the movement\u2014 All of the United States (struggles for words) from one end to the other, there\u2019s a conversation about Peoples Temple going on. They made it, those people made it. Thousand socialists over there in Guyana. The ambassador told us yesterday, the talk<\/i> of Congress, we\u2019re the talk of Congress. Okay, we\u2019re the talk of Congress. You can know<\/i> we\u2019re the talk of the Left. They\u2019re watching us, the Soviet Union fascinated<\/i> by us, they come by\u2014 the Cubans every day, the Soviet Union. Totally<\/i> fascinated. In fact, a little threatened, by our goodness and our lack of elitism. But they\u2019re going to come and study it, they said that we could be a model. The Soviet Ambassador stood um, earthspelled<\/i>, just \u2014 that\u2019s not the word I want but I\u2019m under too much pressure \u2014 spellbound<\/i>, he was spellbound<\/i> by the fact, he said, Jim Jones took the church<\/i> and used the church to bring people to atheism? And the communists\u2019 study? Not even communist practice, he\u2019d be overwhelmed by the communist practice, even though some of you don\u2019t know why you\u2019re practicing communism. He said, you mean you\u2014 he got the church and got them out of atheism, he said, we haven\u2019t been able to do that with the Soviet Union\u2019s churches in 50 years<\/i>. And he said, we got a control<\/i> over them, we got the funding over them, we have to give them the money, so that the religion won\u2019t become a vulture on the people, make private collections. We maintain the church, and let them have their religion as much as they need it. But he said, we cannot<\/i> get them out of their religion. Well, the fact is, to be humble, some of us are not out of it, but\u2014 and then you\u2019ve got that paranormal factor that does kind of confuse things. It confuses me<\/i>, when I can raise somebody up like Rose and stop our young comrade Williams from being crippled, paraly\u2014 I don\u2019t mean crippled, paralyzed. And, that\u2014 that troubles me, and why three people die in three years, like I mention in para\u2014 parliamentary procedure and each die on March 10, three members of Parliament in one small country \u2014 very weird \u2014 but that doesn\u2019t make me believe there\u2019s any loving God. Noooo. There\u2019s a looong jump from my power to heal, to believe there\u2019s something loving up there. \u2018Cause if there\u2019d been something loving up there, they\u2019d have left us alone and never made us take the trip in the first place.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps and cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>If you don\u2019t\u2014 That\u2019s all right, it\u2019s not that much. If you don\u2019t, if you don\u2019t exist<\/i>, then you don\u2019t have to be healed. If you don\u2019t exist, you\u2019ll never have an accident. (Cries out) How many black youth have been shot down, how many black youth have been paralyzed and there was no Jim Jones to heal them, because they didn\u2019t know him? He wasn\u2019t there. So I don\u2019t make me believe in anything, but me, and believe in the efficacy of communism to teach humans to be something else than animals and to cooperate, because that\u2019s the only way anyone can develop a society worth living. (Calls out to someone) I hope you enjoy it, lad, \u2018cause you\u2019re going to be in the box. You better look up here, if nothing else, you\u2019d had better keep your eyes just fixed on me, just like Mark is doing. You better keep your eyes fixed, \u2018cause you troubled us. You broke up the whole agricultural meeting. (Pause) And to make you feel less guilt\u2014 now immediately starts working at me, guilt. I don\u2019t want those kids to feel the full burden. But out of this is gonna come some good. I don\u2019t think that we could ever<\/i> talk enough about the advantages of communism. And I know<\/i> we can\u2019t talk enough about the goodness of the leader.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Although I\u2019m not sure<\/i> that the goodness of the leader being talked<\/i> about is what\u2019s going to bring it about. It\u2019s going to be you having to see it and demonstrate it in your own life. If you\u2019re shitty to people and say Jim Jones is good, but if you\u2019re shitty to people that\u2019s in your supervisorial position, you\u2019re not good in the Learning Crew if you\u2019re a coordinator, you\u2019re not good in some agricultural department if you\u2019re a coordinating or supervising person, it won\u2019t make a difference how much you<\/i> even, if you do \u2014 and I think if you really see Jim Jones as good that you\u2019ll show it in your behavior\u2014<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>If you understand communism and he is the principle of communism embodied, you will then show<\/i> that by the way you walk and the way you talk and the way you behave towards your comrades, your brothers and sisters.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>So you have you have a right to die. I wish Dad would die, wish he\u2019d just go ahead and die. That\u2019s what some of the thoughts that strike across me\u2014 well, then you\u2019d have the right to do your thing, and some of you\u2019d be right to die. But how do you feel about uh, Leona Collier back there, and Alice Inghram and uh, all those black people that are working? How do you feel like, even a young troubled child that turns in a good wage like uh, Kathy, uh, I forgot her parents\u2019 name because they were such evil traitors, Kathy Richardson. (struggles for words) The other name\u2019s just as bad, Kathy Purifoy. But Kathy. Or Jean Brown, she\u2019s a light-skinned marvelous nigger. Or Tom Adams, he\u2019s always<\/i> doing things. How do you feel about those people? Jim Randolph works his butt getting supplies, Dennis, he good at crating, and even C.J. \u2014 lot<\/i> of folk back there, I could go on and on and on and on and on. I know some of them are goofing off. You bet. Well, I can tell you right now, Martha\u2014 uh, Jean Brown\u2019s not goofing off. Leona\u2019s<\/i> not playing around. I can tell you that. Those two I can talk about, I can step further. Robin [Tschetter]\u2019s not playing around, with a car run over her. That young teenager\u2019s not playing around. And I\u2019m scared to death she\u2019ll get over here and someone will wickedly take advantage of her and crucify that independence. I hope she never never never gives it up. Strong<\/i> little person. I ordered her to be relieved and trained, she said, I must have done something wrong, I don\u2019t want to go. That\u2019s the right kind of guilt, but she hadn\u2019t, she hadn\u2019t, and I think<\/i> I convinced her, that she\u2019s young, and it\u2019s time that a teenager get over here\u2014 all the rest of them are here. Sure, it\u2019s going to hurt the movement, but guilt brought her. I need her there. \u2018Cause she\u2019s honest with money, and you\u2019ll find one in a thousand that are.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>One in a thousand. I\u2019m so glad that the cars run over her and never left any kind of\u2014 one mark of pain. And that\u2019s a fact, I just told you that miracle earlier. (Pause) Well, how do you feel about dying, and letting those people? They never have had anything but drudgery, all they been doing is locked up in San Francisco Temple, listen to that shit on the news about us, listen to our enemies, have them come up to the gates and threaten to kill us, have government cars drive by and photograph us. How<\/i> do all of you people that want to die feel about those good people in\u2014 some of them in San Francisco and Los Angeles, that have had to fight this battle\u2014 how do you feel<\/i> about just taking a trip and dying all of a sudden, and they\u2019ve never had a chance to even walk on this soil?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, you say, they\u2019ll take care of their selves, oh yeah, that\u2019s easy talked about. Sure<\/i> they will<\/i>. They\u2019re good<\/i> honest people, they will<\/i>. They\u2019ll go right down and shoot<\/i> a few people. And if we have to do it, they\u2019ll do it. I know they will. But you should some obligation to ka\u2014 take the pressure off the leaders, so those people get a chance to take a look at life. Another one\u2019s good, Larry Layton. (Pause) Jewish young man. Andy. God, I go on down down down down down down down down the list. In there fighting. (Unintelligible name \u2014 sounds like “Bouvey”). Davey. All along the way. (Pause) Jesus. Up in the valley, run that rest home. Sure they got tr\u2014 I know<\/i> their names, I know their names, I just don\u2019t want to name names, I know them all, know them like (pause) they were the very fingers of my hand. If you want me to name them, I can, (short laugh) certainly, I can name them all. \u2018Cause I carry a heavy heavy guilt about them being here\u2014 there, and not me<\/i> being here, \u2018cause I don\u2019t want to be<\/i>, but you<\/i> being here. Oh I have\u2014 how much I want to fight that battle myself, I\u2019d love to look those cameras in the eyes. (Laments) Oh, God. But it\u2019d all been over if I had. \u2018Cause I wouldn\u2019t, I wouldn\u2019t have been able to take some of that shit, and if I had, somebody\u2019d have shot me because I\u2019d have talked back to them too much. (Pause) But there\u2019ve been those gates rattled and shook down practically, they tried to drive in, they shot into the back lot. (Pause) How do you feel<\/i> when you say you want Dad to die, so you can die, or you can go do your thing? What<\/i> makes some people feel<\/i> and care<\/i>, and others not care? (Pause) Primarily, I think it is because you never face the fact that he does<\/i> care. You think he\u2019s getting something. (Repeats with more emphasis) You think he is getting something. And it\u2019s true. (Pause) Hear me now. I\u2019m getting nothing. Pain, zero, pain. (Pause) Nothing. (Pause) I eat<\/i> to get strength. (Pause) And those of you that uh, eat out of nervousness, to get sleepy, to get blood sugar, so I would like to say to those that are in the radio room, if they would\u2014\u00a0when they bring<\/i> the food, to bring it to the outside edge, and you<\/i> step up and eat it so I don\u2019t, because the temptation to get rid of this headache is very strong, and the only way I can rid of it is to turn things into blood sugar, \u2018cause I don\u2019t have enough blood sugar. I have insulin in my blood, so\u2014 bread? Delightful. Sweets? Delightful. It\u2019ll turn it into blood<\/i> sugar. Then I get free of my headache. And the people don\u2019t understand it enough, but the medical people probably<\/i> should have explained it, or the doctor \u2014\u00a0and he isn\u2019t, he\u2019s so busy \u2014\u00a0that, when you get something at night, when they bring in sandwiches, don\u2019t<\/i> bring them near me, \u2018cause I go out all<\/i> day and then I see one of those sandwiches and\u2014 plus it\u2019s a psychological fact, you know if you eat and\u2014 I\u2019m sure there\u2019s that part of it, but\u2014 what\u2019s more with me, I just now analyzed it, \u2018cause everything I\u2019m telling you tonight is very carefully thought out to be very<\/i> accurate. (Pause) I eat primarily because it gives me more blood sugar to ease this horrible headache, and to get these sounds from feeling like there\u2014 earthquake going on in my brain. (Pause) What were we talking about? Sometimes the pain makes it so difficult that I can\u2019t just hardly remember what I\u2019m talking about. What were we talking about? Does anybody know, or does anybody care?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Speech becomes tired) Say we should die and do your own thing and and I think\u2014 yes, thank you, son. Stephan [Jones], thank you. If anybody would tem\u2014 be tempted not to think, I suspect it\u2019d be your, your natural born. But that was sweet. Helps to make up for some of the guilt. Even though I didn\u2019t plan him coming, I sure have a lot of guilt about it. (Pause) Though he\u2019s given me such joy, as all\u2014 (Pause) Yeah, he gives me joy, but that, that\u2019s wrong, so (stumbles for words) I still have a z\u2014 I\u2019m not totally<\/i> at a zero. Lots of you give me\u2014 and not much, though, not much, because I think of how<\/i> unhappy he must be, how much he must have to prove himself, how much people may be judging him by me, and so I<\/i> don\u2019t get much joy. I don\u2019t think I really get any<\/i> joy, because I worry about him too much, I worry about all<\/i> of you too much. I know that\u2014 anything you get that\u2014 the sensitive ones of you, it isn\u2019t worth it. It just isn\u2019t worth it. It\u2019d be much<\/i> easier to go into death. But I warn<\/i> you, in a uh, control mechanism, and a realistic mechanism, I don\u2019t<\/i> believe the mind dies with the body. If I can raise somebody up, I don\u2019t believe it dies with the body, so don\u2019t try suicide selfishly. You\u2019ll be back back back back, you\u2019ll come back. I\u2019ll bet it isn\u2019t any time until you\u2019re born<\/i> again in some other baby. Shift yourself. (Unintelligible) people asleep. Maizy. You expect me to heal you when you\u2019re paralyzed, but you sleep all during my speeches. (Pause) If you understood my love<\/i>, you\u2019d have<\/i> more healing too. And that\u2019s honest. (Pause) But you don\u2019t understand it. You may be seated. (Pause) We were talking about joy. So there\u2019s no joy, that I don\u2019t see the pain. (Pause) I had a kind of a strong sex urge lately, but never fulfill it, never<\/i> fulfill it, wouldn\u2019t let myself fulfill it, wouldn\u2019t dream<\/i> of it, (Awed) because there\u2019s too many people never have had any kind of love at all. (Pause) Strong sex urge lately. You don\u2019t have any idea. Something about this blood chemistry\u2019s driven me more sexually than any human being I hope has ever been driven. But I don\u2019t think about fulfilling it. (Pause) And I\u2019m not willing to give people the bullshit that you do about all that crap, \u2018cause you don\u2019t prove your love for somebody in bed. It can be a part of it, (Pause) and to me it\u2019s a very important part of love, to uh, have understanding, and there could be closeness<\/i> \u2014 that closeness should be able to come for a person that is physically ugly, as well as someone that\u2019s physically attractive \u2014 so-called, quote unquote. When you see beauty or are touched by it\u2014 and I don\u2019t know but I\u2019ll probably be called a freak, but I\u2019m sexually moved<\/i> by it. \u2018Cause sex is life with me. I\u2019ve got my sexual instincts on a higher level than most. Some people go around with their tight\u2014 fighting\u2014 forming clothes, and try to get all the pimples out. You don\u2019t touch me. But warmth, character, you\u2019re irresistible<\/i>. But what I want to do most is to hug you, because sex seems to make the female uh, very insecure anyway. If she gets good sex, it\u2019s uh, insecure, whatever (struggles for words), it doesn\u2019t, doesn\u2019t help you. (Pause) So I want to hold people, I would like to hold all of you in my arms and, so that you never have any more pain, never have any more pain, give you all the love I could give you and then be able to grant you eternal rest. But I don\u2019t think it works that way, unless it\u2019s through principle<\/i> \u2014 I believe basically<\/i> morally, revolutionary suicide\u2019s the only kind of thing that\u2019s justified, and I\u2019m very much concerned for you<\/i> that if you commit suicide or try to die any other<\/i> way, doing your own selfish thing or whatever, you will come back. (Resigned) I don\u2019t care. Hell, I\u2019ve been back a million years. It seems like every<\/i> day\u2019s a lifetime to me. What the hell\u2019s another life? (Short laugh) I really don\u2019t mind anymore. You get to the point where you can take it or leave it, can\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You get to the point where you can take it or leave it. Shit, it\u2019s just another day. (Pause) But you in Learning have built up such rebellion \u2014 and I understand rebellion. Remember, I\u2019m in Learning with you. I\u2019m in the worst learning situation there is. I have to be good, I have to properly appear, I have to smile, I have to say the right thing, I have to do the right thing, and then<\/i>, by God, I\u2019ve got to make the right decisions. Because every one that I\u2019ve healed in here, that will not be remembered. When one good person goes down, I\u2019ll be blamed. All<\/i> over the place, there\u2019ll be mumblings (drags out word). There\u2019s mumblings now.<\/i> Rose is healed, but somebody else doesn\u2019t have the right kind of rice to suit them, or they don\u2019t have this or they didn\u2019t get what they wanted out of the warehouse.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices in crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I am in the worst prison imaginable, \u2018cause no matter what I do<\/i>, it\u2019s never enough. Never. So you in Learning ought to feel that I\u2019m one with you every day. That\u2019s why I don\u2019t like<\/i> learning. I wish to Christ<\/i> there was another way. (Pause) Well, I see that, I see that there are people in Learning who don\u2019t have the right understanding \u2014 they shouldn\u2019t make you work, they shouldn\u2019t make you keep the rules, they shouldn\u2019t be just using it as a means of asserting their authority<\/i> or to goof off<\/i>. It\u2019s not as bad as it used to be, but it\u2019s room for improvement, I\u2019m sure. Anything<\/i>, obviously, there\u2019s room for improvement. When I know the most sensitive, dedicated human being on earth<\/i>, says there\u2019s room for improvement in him<\/i>, I know<\/i> there\u2019s room for improvement in everybody else.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>But I\u2019ll never be satisfied until I have the same kind of sexual feeling for every good woman<\/i> \u2014 and maybe it should be for every good man \u2014 and I probably could say “every good man,” but I have Tim Stoen somewhat<\/i> in my psyche tonight. I have nothing against homosexuality, I just have a slight problem with some of these men who\u2019ve acted out so<\/i> miserably, and I have had to have a smell of their nasty ass, and I do<\/i> resent it, because I don\u2019t like shit, I like flowers.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Pause) But homosexuality don\u2019t bother me. You can lick<\/i> each other\u2019s ass, it doesn\u2019t bother me. But let me out of it, you know, just let me out of all<\/i> of it. Using<\/i> and worshipping<\/i> each other, that\u2019s all, I, I just want to be out of there. But I will be slightly, I\u2019ll \u2014 I\u2019ll have some slight bias in pain because I\u2019ve been through<\/i> it. Man set you up that take care of his wife who you can\u2019t<\/i> stand, and then he\u2019s<\/i> tripping around, trading around, going on, and he got you over the barrelhead<\/i>. You gotta take care of him. Now if you didn\u2019t have to, you\u2019d have to take care of him, because he\u2019s an arrogant prick<\/i>. (Pause) Wasn\u2019t he. Some of us remember how pissy<\/i>, how know-it-all, how Mr. Middle Class he was, how WASP-ish he was, how so<\/i> WASP-y he was, oh<\/i>, nobody could be more White Anglo-Saxon Protestant than Tim Stoen. He needed to come down. (Pause) But you can\u2019t get a guy like him down enough, unless you got a Learning Crew all the time. (Chuckles.) Too bad we didn\u2019t have it then, we coulda kept him. He might\u2019ve, you know, one little twist and turn in history, a person might have gone a different way. That\u2019s why we don\u2019t dare allow elitism to take place. The people get to thinking the rules don\u2019t apply to them, and they do up all kinds of (unintelligible word) and finally they go and do something like he<\/i> did. (Pause) Tim Stoen should have been long<\/i> ago. I have a lot of guilt. We should have cornered him. We should have got to him before he got a lot of information, yet, on this positive side of just being honest, if we\u2019d got to him, we\u2019d have trouble too, because he couldn\u2019t have taken it. A lot of folk can dish it out, but they can\u2019t take it. (Pause) Some of the attorneys would lay in offices, and they had their moments too and bad<\/i> moments, but by God, one thing, they\u2014 I never saw Tim Stoen crawl up behind a goddamn desk or g\u2014 go on without his little bath. He always<\/i> found a way to take care of Tim Stoen\u2019s little white \u2014 and I say white, none of you are as white as he is, nothing\u2019s<\/i> so white as he is, but a dead sheep. He\u2019s white, \u2018cause I had to look at him in the ugliest<\/i> way. (Shouts angrily) And I could kill him for it, I could kill him. (Voice drops back to normal) I\u2019m a man filled with rage, but more guilt. I get mad like you, and when I do, that helps my blood sugar, by the way, I\u2019ll have to do that more often, I\u2014 (Laughs) That did me a lot of good. (Pause) I could kill him, I could really<\/i> kill him. Literally kill him. He\u2019s a son of a bitch, to do what he did to me, to this people, to do what he did. I don\u2019t give a goddamn<\/i> to me<\/i>, because it\u2019s you<\/i> that he hurt. He can\u2019t hurt me. I wish it was just me and him, goddamn<\/i> his ass, I\u2019d\u2014 I\u2019d drive<\/i> him crazy, but I\u2019ve got to watch every move I take, because it could hurt a Jean Brown or a Leona back there, or a Guy Young, or a whole host of other people, lots of people back there, Alice that needed a chance, Dennis that needed a chance, on down the line, Lexie Davis, on on on on on on on on on on (Voice fades dramatically, then raises). I\u2019d get him tonight, or I\u2019ve got hi\u2014 I got the man that\u2019ll get<\/i> him. All I got to do is say the word, “Go.” (Pause) I love those people too much, it\u2019s not worth it. His white ass ain\u2019t worth it. Let him live<\/i>. (Pause) Yeah, but there\u2019s only\u2014 only one little catch to that. If he ever gets in a court of ru\u2014 of law, he can hurt you<\/i> more. So Dad\u2019s always moving back and forth, like the pendulum, wondering about it. It\u2019s not an easy decision, but I figure he\u2019s probably uh, \u2014 well, we can wait to see when the court time comes, can\u2019t we?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We got time yet, it hadn\u2019t got to court yet. And who g\u2014 by that time, we have all our folk out. (Pause) But I would like to leave him alive, otherwise, \u2018cause nothing more painful than that, hell, dying, uh, that\u2019s uh, that\u2019d be too nice for him. (Pause) I\u2019d like to make him the tiger bait. That tiger\u2019s been awful nice to us. He\u2019s gotten our enemies and never bothered us. I\u2019d like to park his ass on a stake out there in the yard, let the\u2014 let the tiger see him. (Pause) Oh, and then I feel guilt for feeling that. You know, I don\u2019t like to feel vengeance. What the hell<\/i> is vengeance? Don\u2019t get caught up in vengeance, let\u2019s be caught up in principle. Do what the hell\u2019s right, I don\u2019t know, I won\u2014 what the hell went wrong with Tim Stoen, why didn\u2019t he see goodness, why didn\u2019t he respond to it, why didn\u2019t he have some courage, what the hell could\u2014 if somebody threaten a man and get him to turn against all of his people and try to do every damn dirty thing under the sun? Some of this stuff this (struggles for words) Council told me yesterday is too painful<\/i>, I won\u2019t take the time to review<\/i> what that son of a bitch has done<\/i>. He\u2019s<\/i> tried everything, honey. You name it, he\u2019s tried it. (Pause) He\u2019s turned the U.S. Council against him, and he was a WASP just like him. U.S. Council\u2014 when he first saw, oh he\u2019s a good man, now he hates<\/i> him. Devious<\/i> man, devious. He just hates him. He goes into a rage when you talk about him. And I guess that\u2019s a miracle in itself, because he sure was on his side at first. Shift, please.<\/p>\n

Sounds of movement. Someone talks low to Jim.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Thank you, I\u2019ll keep that in mind. Very thoughtful. (Struggles for words) Then my guilt goes to work, I have to explain that, because she handed me a note, and now someone thinks she\u2019s offering me a fuck, she\u2019s offering<\/i> me an aspirin. (Pause) You understand? Everything you do, <\/i>you have to explain. (Pause) Pass that down and see. (Pause. Cries out) No no, no, I\u2019m not\u2014 I\u2019m being serious, you wouldn\u2019t learn anything \u2014 that you don\u2019t know what the kind of prison, prison is. You\u2019re\u2014 You\u2019ve got it easy. You go to bed<\/i>. (Pause) No no, it\u2019s not your<\/i> fault, (struggles for words), that\u2019s good, you got guilt, but it\u2019s not your<\/i> fault, how else you going to say it? You going to say, you need a pain pill because you look like you\u2019re having the (struggles for words) the bad signs? I think enough\u2019s read it now, everybody knows I haven\u2019t got a set-up audience down here, do we have to all go through the audience and read the son\u2014of-a-bitch?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Distract what I\u2019m doing? Everybody read it down there, didn\u2019t they? They asked about an aspirin. [Jewell James] Simpson \u2014 you know Simpson, he\u2019s not a liar, the only thing\u2014 many people say, look Simpson, look at that. He\u2019ll have to get his specs on.<\/p>\n

Murmurs. Long pause. Low voices off mike.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> (talking low) James?<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah? (Pause) What do you want me to do, read that?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> (talking low) I\u2019m just saying, just verify what it says.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Mmm-hmm. I can\u2019t read that out.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> (talking low) Verify that.<\/p>\n

Long pause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You know I can\u2019t make it out.<\/p>\n

Whispered voice:<\/b> Turn it off.<\/p>\n

Tape cuts off, back on after undetermined length of time.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Voice low and tired) Anyway. That\u2019s what I live in, is a glass house, a fishbowl. And so I feel for you children, I hate to see you tied, my heart\u2019s crying out to you, why don\u2019t you let Dad help you, so you won\u2019t have to be tied anymore? Why don\u2019t you do what the other students do? Why don\u2019t<\/i> you? Because they don\u2019t\u2014 they\u2019re not doing this. Uh, they they they they\u2019re<\/i> not doing this to you<\/i>, to mistreat you<\/i>. The teacher\u2019s not picking on you, you<\/i> don\u2019t think the teachers are picking on you, do you?<\/p>\n

Voice of young boy:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Do you feel they\u2019re picking on you?<\/p>\n

Another boy: <\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You see the other students do what they\u2019re supposed to do in class? Mmm?<\/p>\n

Boy: <\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Why don\u2019t you do it?<\/p>\n

Boy: <\/b>Because sometimes, sometimes uh, I\u2019d listen to my supervisor sometimes, uh, I don\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I know. Sit down on the table, sit down on the table. You\u2019ve been standing a long while. What uh\u2014 not on their knees. Si\u2014 Sit them down.<\/p>\n

Low voice of woman:<\/b> Sit down (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>If I said on their knees, I\u2019d do it for an organizational reashon, reason. But I don\u2019t like seeing people on their knees. (Pause) Well, son, everybody else<\/i> listens and stays out of Learning, and they\u2014 they\u2019re not good<\/i>. Nobody\u2019s perfect. But they\u2019re not on Learning<\/i> like you, and they\u2019re not leaping out of windows to run away. (Pause) Now how many understood what I said to you about the benefits that I\u2019ve given you? The benefits of communism? Not to mention the benefit of a paranormal dimension that the Soviet Union\u2019s spending a million dollars a day, two<\/i> million now, to try to understand my paranormal faculty? I didn\u2019t see a hand go back up there. Don Fit\u2014 Fitch? Don Fitch, I didn\u2019t see your hand go up. And you\u2019re very creative, so it must not be that you ignore principle. (Pause) Okay. (Pause) Important. Important that you understand me. And right now, you can say, well, Dad, I don\u2019t believe in you. Then ask me, because I\u2019m so sure<\/i> of my principles and my goodness and my honesty and my introspection and my soul-searching analysis, that I can answer any question you\u2019ve got to ask. And if you can see my goodness, then you would work on your goodness \u2014 maybe, maybe \u2014 maybe it would be too heavy<\/i> \u2014 but I doubt it. I think it would be much easier, living here and working if you could fully see my goodness and know what pain I go through, then whatever little pain you have, or how much you could endure much better, I would think it would be easier in the long run. Some of you fight<\/i> from seeing it, because you think, well, if I do<\/i> see it, then I\u2019ve got to, you know, do it consciously, I suppose, but subconsciously, you say, I don\u2019t dare see it. If I do<\/i> see it, then I\u2019ve got to do something with it. I\u2019ve got to be good. And I don\u2019t want to see<\/i> that kind of goodness. Or you want to think I\u2019m a different kind of man. He heals, he raises the dead, so he don\u2019t feel like I do. I have more<\/i> pain than you do. I have more depression, I have more suicidal feelings than you do, in that I never know when I haven\u2019t (Laughs bitterly) had one, since I was a child and saw a little dog die, due to the bounce of the ball that I wish I hadn\u2019t been playing with when it happened, but somebody else did it. I felt right then, hmm, it isn\u2019t worth it. Seeing people die, seeing the people you love go down in the, the grave, and what\u2019s worse, seeing them die slowly. Watching my best uncle, the only one that had any humanity, so sick of life, and there was no communists around to help him, that he grabbed wood alcohol and drank it, then spit his stomach out, piece by piece. Then he couldn\u2019t die, and his stomach was practically gone. Didn\u2019t know communism in those days. He went down, trying to find some bunch of thugs that would run the gang, the Mafia of that town \u2014 there wasn\u2019t a real Mafia, but you know the, the, the criminal element \u2014 took him on, they threw him\u2014 they had to throw him bodily off of a bridge to kill him. (Pause) Been best if he\u2019da stayed around to try to help me<\/i>, because I was having a hard time, but he never, never saw it that way. So I made up my mind, that I would never go that way, I\u2019d always stay around, try not to disappoint people \u2014 it\u2019s terrible to disappoint people. It\u2019s awful to leave people alone. (Pause) Sleep well, Wanda. I try to stay awake, now, I\u2019m not going to put you on any Learning tonight, but I really<\/i> question why you\u2019re sleeping. Question<\/i> it. Why am I sleeping when Jim Jones is talking now? (Whispers) Why? What in me is causing me to sleep \u2014 maybe that somebody\u2019s had an unusual time, two days of\u2014\u00a0if Bro- Brothers Edwards were asleep, I\u2019d understand. Eh, those poor people had to be down there with Lela Murphy, self-centered as she was, the poor woman, it\u2019s bad enough to bury one old white racist like she is \u2014 nah, I\u2019m, I\u2019m not going to talk good about the dead, I\u2019m going to be like Moms Mabley [likely Bertha Cook] and say, you\u2019re (struggles for words) the only good I can say is she\u2019s dead.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2018Cause Lela Murphy was a hellion. She\u2019s a hellion to take care of, she was a hellion in life, and she stole money off of me and kept<\/i> it. Kept<\/i> it. I, I\u2014 she stole money in the little green house next to\u2014 but still I care for her, I feel<\/i> for her, I don\u2019t like pain, I did everything that I could, I transported her out of here, took her on an emergency flight, paid the emergency flight, took her to best hospital, and got her the best doctors. But when she died, I sure<\/i> wasn\u2019t going to rush over there to heal her like I did Rose. I wasn\u2019t about to. They said, she\u2019s in pain. I said, okay. I\u2019ll try to see if she can die. And she died in about seven, eight minutes. But I, I didn\u2019t, I didn\u2019t get in\u2014 I didn\u2019t get involved in it. But they buried<\/i> her in the wrong place, without thinking (unintelligible word), and buried her too close to the river, and I said, uh, oh, don\u2019t get her close to our water, and so they, blessed hearts, they had to dig her back up again. And they hadn\u2019t nailed her down and fixed her like I said, you fix her just like you\u2019d fix mine. You fix her just exactly. (Pause) I don\u2019t have any respect of persons. We bury everybody alike. So they had to go back and p\u2014 pick her up and clean her up and put her back and nail it shut and bury her in the right place, because Father an ekal\u2014galitarian in life and he\u2019s an egalitarian in death. We die around here, we\u2019re all going to get the same treatment. When we get sick, we\u2019re all going to get the same treatment. We\u2019re not going to look at Lela Murphy and say, I don\u2019t like her. And that may be what is happening with the\u2014 you can\u2014 this can happen with a uh, situation that you have, you know, it can happen<\/i>. Sure, he\u2019s spoiled, and Jeff [Carey]\u2019s done lots of things, you\u2019ve got a manipulative personality, I still can\u2019t fit it together how he went to jail and didn\u2019t raise any issue, but I been\u2014 I\u2019ve had folk raise issue, honey, when they thought<\/i> they were going to jail, much less go<\/i>. Now you were in there for theft<\/i>, uhh, when you hadn\u2019t done anything, you hadn\u2019t stolen, you were doing something else, trying to uh, keep uh, an ey\u2014 a watchful eye on an enemy. And he went to jail and didn\u2019t make no complaint and nobody for\u2014 remembered him in the shuffle<\/i>, but me. I like to went crazy on the back of that bus. So you say, you like Jeff. Yeah, I do, I do. Say you got any special sentimal\u2014 sen\u2014 sentimentality to him? Well, I got more sentimentality than I do to him<\/i> than Lela Murphy, who all could ever do every time I saw her was, Father give me this, Father give me that, Fath\u2014 Sure<\/i>. (Pause) But he shouldn\u2019t use<\/i> that if he\u2019s got conscience, he shouldn\u2019t use<\/i> that to get any special advantage. And I\u2019ve seen him endure more than some of the rest of you in other areas, I\u2019ve seen him waste his time and not organize himself and do these ma\u2014 these trick games by thinking his mind ought to deserve better things. Ah, I wish it did. I wish the world was better. And if you get your ass together, it will<\/i> be, you know, we can\u2014 (Pause) we\u2019llget out of this quagmire. The Soviet Union is absolutely emphat<\/i>ic that the Prime Minister is going to go left and gonna move his cabinet left and he\u2019s on his way to Moscow, and they told us that last night. Well, time will see. If that\u2019s the case, then I\u2019ll be able to ship you kids, and you won\u2019t have to worry about travel restrictions, and if you do have educational desires, you can go. Right now, I\u2019ve got to be very<\/i> very careful who comes and goes, till my people get here, you can understand that.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019ve been nervous as hell<\/i> with all those folk in town. Anything go wrong when you got 87, 86, 87 of our people in town, knowing how some people do. You know what I mean.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And knowing the real enemy that stands out there lurking to try to destroy? They can do anything, anything, and people are so self-centered, some of them, that they do their own trip. It only takes one<\/i> to cause us a real severe battle. But I would like to tell you, you have a chance of victory in communism that you never had. (Talks fast) So you tell me anyplace else where they take a black woman and two men, and have them charge that Tim Stoen did with assault to do murder, or something like that, some conspiracy to do bodily harm, and (struggles for words) say they violated the law? And they got six Guyanese witnesses, or seven, I\u2019ve forgotten how many. (Shouts) And I said, you\u2019re not taking them. Well, uh, Dr. (unintelligible name) says uh, you\u2019re not having uh\u2014 Mr. Marcus, the police commissioner of all Guyana said, you\u2019re not above the law. (Shouts) I said, I don\u2019t care. You tell him that I\u2019ve quit talking to him. I said, piss on him. I went on above him. And I said, I\u2019m going to tell you, you better release those people, drop those papers, don\u2019t you come and look for them, \u2018cause we\u2019re not going to be alive<\/i> out here, if you do. We\u2019re going to raise hell, we\u2019re not going to eat, and then we\u2019re going to do some other things. And I didn\u2019t tell him what. And by God, it wasn\u2019t about what\u2014 we won that one \u2014 about seven hours later, they said, well \u2014 they got a hold of us real quick, they always<\/i> come on tough, there\u2019s only one thing you can do in life, not<\/i> go against the movement, for Christ\u2019s sakes, don\u2019t<\/i> be a crazy nigger just for your own right<\/i> to act nasty and mean<\/i>, but be a crazy nigger when you\u2019re dealing with a class enemy<\/i>.<\/a> You\u2019ve got to be that all<\/i> the time. And I\u2019m not crazy \u2014 that\u2019s a (unintelligible) to some of you, you play, honey, when I started<\/i>, shit, there ain\u2019t no play in it, baby, I mean business<\/i>. I said, let me tell you one thing<\/i>, you had better<\/i> let those people loose, you had better not touch<\/i> one of them, I better hear no more<\/i> of this, or we\u2019re finished. I want to hear you<\/i>, I want you to promise and give me guarantee that all charges<\/i> have dropped. Now you tell me where in the hell you\u2019re going to get that kind of protection. And he was nasty as hell, that police commissioner. By God, seven hours later, he was calling our people in, apologizing, wanting me on to get a message to me, (dramatic whisper) everything\u2019s all right (unintelligible word), it\u2019s all taken care of.<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Crying out) Now that\u2019s<\/i> what you get in a communist society, that<\/i> kind of protection, with a communist leader that\u2019s pure. A structure<\/i>. You\u2019ve got a thousand<\/i> people that\u2019ll defend you when they come for you, if they\u2019d have broken through the line, and I hadn\u2019t been able to convince them with the will of my voice<\/i>, they\u2019d have broken through that line and there\u2019d been a thousand<\/i> before they\u2019d get any one of you.<\/p>\n

Crowd responds.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>There\u2019s a thousand<\/i> people guaranteeing that you eat tonight. There\u2019s a thousand<\/i> people guaranteeing tonight that you will have the best medicine. Some of us will sell our bodies. I still had some opportunities. Hell, the last time I was in Georgetown, I can find some of those old floozies. We\u2019ll<\/i> make a way<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Cries of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We\u2019re not going to starve over here, honey.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The only way you can do it is by some internal<\/i> combustion\u2014 we can only be hurt from within, going out and doing something, lying like the Williams\u2019, that kind of stuff, doing a lot of devious work like that, we can ride (write?) over a lot of that too, so don\u2019t get too cocky. And believe me, the next person does that shit, ai\u2014 ain\u2019t going to get by.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And I don\u2019t think we\u2019ll kill<\/i> you, I think we\u2019ll kidnap you and bring you over here for a trial<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right. Claps and cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You understand. (Laughs) Shift yourself. We\u2019ll bring you over here<\/i> for a trial.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You say we can\u2019t do it. You don\u2019t know. If Tim Stoen<\/i> knew how many people were watching him right now, he would have a baby through his asshole.<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He hasn\u2019t made a move<\/i> in the United States, there hasn\u2019t been somebody on his bottomside. (Shouts) Just waiting. If he knew how much people were watching him\u2014\u00a0I know Tim Stoen. He\u2019d turn whiter than he is. (Shouts) They\u2019re just waiting. All I need is just one signal. Go, thou, send me. (Voice returns to normal) That\u2019s not the word. Now obviously. I\u2019m talking in the Proverbs of those that will understand. (Shouts) All they need to hear is to say, “It\u2019s it. It\u2019s a White Night. It\u2019s it. Get our enemies,” and there\u2019ll be two, three hundred people on those sons-a-bitches faster than honey, (voice drops to normal) uh, flies on a honey. You bet your life.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Claps and murmurs of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Preacher\u2019s cry) They\u2019ll be on \u2018em. They\u2019ll get \u2018em. They won\u2019t get away, and I don\u2019t know why you think you\u2019d get away. Why should you? It\u2019s immoral<\/i> to destroy an organization like this, it\u2019s immoral to try to kill a movement where a leader cares so infinitely as he cares, and tries to build a structure of caring, it\u2019s immoral<\/i>, it\u2019s criminal<\/i>, and you should<\/i> get it, goddamn you.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Shouts of assent.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Voice returns to normal) That\u2019s good, it gives you chance to stretch, do that. (Laughs) And a little, “That\u2019s right”s don\u2019t bother me, it\u2019s the loud, loud clapping and roaring (rolling?) that does, so, “That\u2019s right” helps the morale of others. Not me, but the morale of others. (Pause) So what does communism give you? As I said to Andrew Young, according to the Foreign Minister of Guyana, is going to be sacrificed just before the elections \u2014 wouldn\u2019t be surprised, he\u2019s about right. He\u2019s a liability. And yet he lifted up the vot\u2014 lone<\/i> vote in the Security Council to vote for Rhodesia. The lone vote. (Incredulous) How can a black man lift his hand up for that white regime? Jesus Christ. Is there any job on earth worth that?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I mean, someone\u2019s going to get it sooner or later. You gotta go home and live with yourself, you gotta go to bed, somebody\u2014 I, I don\u2019t know what, what happens to some of these people. I guess I<\/i> know what America did. (Reverts to preacher\u2019s shout) That\u2019s why it\u2019s such a vicious, fascist state. It is taught from the beginning of this psychological approach of life, don\u2019t entertain guilt<\/i>. They teach against it everywhere you go, from Christianity, all through the institutions of learning, must not be guilty. That must be why they\u2019re so fucking mean.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Cries out) Because you will indulge yourself and justify everything you do, unless you feel guilty<\/i> about the things you do wrong. (Normal voice) But not, not America. Not America. Guilt is a bad thing. Don\u2019t get the child guilty, don\u2019t let them have any guilt. Well, I\u2019ll take my guilt, because it\u2019s produced more goodness than those sons-a-bitches ever<\/i> will produce, all of them put together, without their guilt. (Pause) Can you think of all the benefits of communism tonight, and we screw it up? You tell me\u2014 this security, you tell me one that\u2019s got this kind of security. We got one big\u2014\u00a0the collaborator with Dr. Papp. We\u2019re not going to keep that fucker away from here. He\u2019s going to come here. White, rich, and he going to come here. He\u2014 We tried telling him chartering an airplane is difficult, he\u2019s going to charter an airplane. (Pause) So it\u2019s going to be a hell of a trip, I\u2019m going to be Al Touchette, I don\u2019t know what the hell I\u2019m going to do with that<\/i>. I\u2019ll take the sign down, and be holding it, I, I don\u2019t know. You tell me how to handle that. But he\u2019s, he\u2019s old and tired of life<\/i>. He wants to come<\/i>. And after a while, he\u2019ll forget who Al Touchette was, I don\u2019t give a shit. (Pause) \u2018Cause I, I\u2019m so concerned about principle, I\u2019m not Jim Jones on that radio, that would hurt<\/i>. Anybody else would do all that talking in their own name<\/i>. I haven\u2019t built up one wick of friendship for Jim Jones, I build it up for you<\/i> in the name of Al Touchette. Because he\u2019s the operator. I don\u2019t want to get Jim Jones in it until I build and build and build and build for you. Who cares about\u2014 And that ought to be a real clear proof to you, too. Ain\u2019t nobody on the goddamn earth be talking all night on the radio for them\u2014 except for themselves. Except a few people in this movement.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Shouts) Nobody<\/i>. They get the credits. The credits would come to them. They wouldn\u2019t talk all night, but all I\u2019m thinking about is building friendship and strength, and getting supplies, and you know what it\u2019s got me from one doctor? You know how much medicine is coming into Dr. Green? If it never gets here, some of the Guyanese take us, it\u2019ll be\u2014 we\u2019ll be another further help to the economy. Do you know how much he\u2019s shipping? Yesterday? 13,000 pounds of medicines.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Shouts) If we talked all night all the rest of our life, it\u2019d be worth that. (Normal voice) They gonna send it to the care of the Minister of Health, Dr. Green, for this project. Well.<\/p>\n

Low voice in crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>They say on there all night. Like I had that man, the pharmacist on all night, I, I had him on, he was doing this relay, we had this crisis with Rose, we had all the link, all the link we had was to her life, until I heal\u2014\u00a0was between him and Georgetown, he been on there for, I don\u2019t know, God knows how long, and he doesn\u2019t exist, all<\/i> the time he been on there trying to get this relay because we going to have to get that emergency plane. We couldn\u2019t hear 8R1, we couldn\u2019t hear WA6GJ, we couldn\u2019t hear San Francisco, all we could hear was this guy. I said, I\u2019m so sorry, after two hours, he said, I don\u2019t have anything to do but go to work in the morning. (Pause) He said, I\u2019m grateful for the experience. He said, I haven\u2019t got anything to do but stay up all night, go to work, work in the morning at 8 o\u2019clock. Big pharmacist. Empty. Who talk about capitalism gives joy? You get on there, listen to that radio. Doctors, lawyers, business people, owners of factory, all night on that son of a bitch? They don\u2019t<\/i> love their wife, or they\u2019d get to bed<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And by God, they ought\u2014 do something, find a man or a dog<\/i> or something<\/i>, by Christ<\/i>, anybody have to be crazy to love that son-of-a-bitch all night. I love you<\/i>, that\u2019s why I\u2019m on it all night. But they\u2019re on it all night<\/i>. You ought to come in here and hear it, you wouldn\u2019t believe<\/i> it. They\u2019re there all wee<\/i>k\u2014 all night, every night, they come and say, hi Jim. Hi Al. \u2018Cause Prokes is Jim and I\u2019m Al, and somebody\u2014 I don\u2019t know who the fuck is, everybody is, we\u2019ll go\u2014 we\u2019ll go schizophrenic, somebody el\u2014\u00a0she\u2019s Sarah, and we got a name for us. Think I mi\u2014 I want, just want to say a word, been trying to\u2014 been\u2014 one, one man that owned a big uh, grain factory, I won\u2014 I been waiting five weeks to get in to say a word of hello.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>True, true.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Incredulous) Five weeks! All night? Five weeks, it\u2019s what you have to do, \u2018cause it\u2019s just all night, dotdotdotdot, I say, uh, now, 8R1 standing by for any other station wants to talk, blah blah (mimes gibberish). That\u2019s the way it sounds. Till I have to say, will you please give me your city and your call? I\u2014 You can\u2019t hear <\/i>them without the city. You would never pick them out, with all the numbers. They throw so many call numbers (tape cuts out)<\/p>\n

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